Speaker 1: Good evening and welcome to the nightcat on seven hundred
Speaker 1: w l W Gary Jeff Walker on this Monday night,
Speaker 1: sitting down check it in a ride I hope you
Speaker 1: will take with us right up till midnight tonight.
Speaker 2: Fantastic weekend for me. I mean, for one, while blue
Speaker 2: Hairs were marching all over the country to supplement their
Speaker 2: Social Security checks by getting paid by the Soros family
Speaker 2: to participate in the No Kings marches around the country,
Speaker 2: I was having the No Commies sit in at huddles
Speaker 2: and we had a bunch of people with their MAGA
Speaker 2: hats on and Trump shirts. I had my Gulf of
Speaker 2: America shirt. It was really, really fantastic, and nobody was
Speaker 2: paid to be In fact, they paid to be there
Speaker 2: by buying drinks. Hello to Jack and Dana from New Richmond,
Speaker 2: Al from Cleaves and the scores of others who joined us.
Speaker 2: On Saturday afternoon, while people were standing up being an
Speaker 2: annoyance to everyone in blocking traffic and all the rest
Speaker 2: of the things that the No Kings crowd does, we
Speaker 2: were having a good time watching football and man, what
Speaker 2: a great football Saturday it was. What a great football
Speaker 2: weekend it was for me? Anyway, my Vandy Commodores advanced
Speaker 2: to six and one, just like the UC Bearcats advancing
Speaker 2: to six and one on this college football season, and
Speaker 2: there are hints and rumors and allegations of possibly playoff
Speaker 2: action playoffs for both those teams, which I root for,
Speaker 2: the Bearcats and the Commodoores. And then yesterday in the NFL,
Speaker 2: my Kansas City Chiefs took down the Lowly Raiders thirty
Speaker 2: one to nothing, the first time that Andy Reid has
Speaker 2: pitched a shutout as a coach in the NFL. During
Speaker 2: the regular season. Patrick Mahomes, my mahomie was on full display.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about all that little later on with the
Speaker 2: wild Man Dennis Wildman Walker. Also on tonight's show, Jeff
Speaker 2: Dornick from a company called Pickaxe. It's a social media company,
Speaker 2: and we're going to be talking about the dangers, the
Speaker 2: real threats posed to all of us by AI and
Speaker 2: what Bill Gates and Elon musk Haven plan for the
Speaker 2: planet and it doesn't include a lot of us as
Speaker 2: human beings. John Lott from the Crime Prevention Research Center
Speaker 2: in Washington, d C. With the latest data on what's
Speaker 2: going on around the country, no matter whether you're listening
Speaker 2: to Democrats or Republicans or President Trump. They've got the
Speaker 2: actual numbers on crime and what's working and what's not.
Speaker 2: At twelve thirty, Peter Lumage, who is a first generation
Speaker 2: American from Albania, a country of communism, and we'll be
Speaker 2: exploring why communism, i e. Socialism never works. It didn't
Speaker 2: in his home country and it won't hear in America.
Speaker 2: Manelli Derek Shaani and I've been taking pronunciation lessons all
Speaker 2: day long trying to learn this name. He is a
Speaker 2: senior science advisor at the CO two Coalition in Washington,
Speaker 2: d C. With again, actual numbers and data when it
Speaker 2: comes to the climate and what you ought to know.
Speaker 2: And of course, in just a few moments, we will
Speaker 2: have for you. Megan Thompson. Who is Megan Thompson. She's
Speaker 2: the CEO of a group called Dress for Success, a
Speaker 2: nonprofit here locally, and when I met her last week,
Speaker 2: she actually was a custer of mine, a customer of
Speaker 2: mine at the bar. When I met her, I thought,
Speaker 2: what a classy lady. Number one and number two. I
Speaker 2: love the idea of trying to help women get back
Speaker 2: on their feet after any situation. Human trafficking, or from
Speaker 2: bad economic past or whatever, get back up on their
Speaker 2: feet and become an active participant in a great capitalist
Speaker 2: free market that is the United States of America. We'll
Speaker 2: talk to Megan Thompson in just a moment as we
Speaker 2: continue on this Monday night cap on seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 2: As I mentioned at the top of the show, our
Speaker 2: first guest tonight is something that.
Speaker 3: Happened truly by accident.
Speaker 2: I was doing my day job, my side hustle bartending
Speaker 2: last week and incomes one of the most elegant people
Speaker 2: I've ever had inside that bar, for sure, a stunning
Speaker 2: who I wound up having a conversation with and found
Speaker 2: her to be even more charming as the conversation continued.
Speaker 2: She was there as a customer as I was d
Speaker 2: slinging drinks for Hillbillies and others, and she decided on
Speaker 2: something she was in between going to a meeting, wanted
Speaker 2: to have a little beverage. There's nothing wrong with that,
Speaker 2: and she gave me your card and I asked what
Speaker 2: she did, and she said, I'm the CEO of Dress
Speaker 2: for Success, the president and CEO. I said, I've heard
Speaker 2: of that, So Dress for Success Cincinnati's president and CEO
Speaker 2: of that organization, which I think is a fantastic nonprofit,
Speaker 2: is with us to start to show tonight. Megan Thompson,
Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to the nightcap on seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 3: How are you.
Speaker 4: I am doing wonderful and thank you so much for
Speaker 4: having me and for that lovely introduction. I'm over here
Speaker 4: blessing out myself.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, but you you said, I don't know
Speaker 2: what's dressed like this.
Speaker 3: I just came from a photo shoot. But I'd tell
Speaker 3: you what.
Speaker 2: You made an impression on everybody that was in the bar,
Speaker 2: including me, and then we started talking, and that was
Speaker 2: only enhanced. The impression was only enhanced by our conversation.
Speaker 2: So explain to me real quickly what Dress for Success
Speaker 2: Cincinnati does and how you got started doing it.
Speaker 4: Absolutely so, Dress for Success Cincinnati is a nonprofit organization
Speaker 4: that focuses on helping women reach financial self sufficiency and
Speaker 4: we do that by providing professional attire in a network
Speaker 4: of support. So what that looks like simply is any woman,
Speaker 4: it does not matter what her zip code is, what
Speaker 4: her age is, her race, any of that stuff, It
Speaker 4: does not matter. She comes through our doors and she
Speaker 4: can sign up for any of us our services. The
Speaker 4: unique thing about us is there's no actual starting point,
Speaker 4: and that if a woman wants to come and start
Speaker 4: in our styling services where she receives professional attire, we
Speaker 4: start with her there. If she wants to start in
Speaker 4: our career center, where we're offering that further network of
Speaker 4: support in terms of one on one coaching, job placement,
Speaker 4: career search, resume building, mock interviews, then she can start there.
Speaker 4: She can do all things at once, she can come once.
Speaker 4: We're extremely flexible because we're all about meeting women where
Speaker 4: they are, you know, and.
Speaker 2: Not just for women's sake, Megan, but there are many
Speaker 2: especially gen z right now, who have no idea how
Speaker 2: to introduce themselves to the world of twenty twenty five
Speaker 2: in business, have no ideas. Many many times they just
Speaker 2: weren't equipped or educated in this social skills or the
Speaker 2: things that it takes to actually succeed, which obviously you
Speaker 2: had a pass for you knew and how did you
Speaker 2: come to be a part of this and what's your background?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you so much for asking, because you're exactly
Speaker 4: right in today's society, especially here in Cincinnati and the
Speaker 4: Greater Cincinnati area. Everything is about relationships. And we've heard
Speaker 4: it for years. It's not about what you know, it's
Speaker 4: who you know. And then for a while we said, no,
Speaker 4: you have to know what you know. And I think
Speaker 4: it's starting to trend back to the who you know.
Speaker 4: And the reason this is so important to your point
Speaker 4: is that when you meet someone new, and obviously I
Speaker 4: don't meet a stranger, and when you meet someone new,
Speaker 4: how do you make that lasting impression to build connections?
Speaker 4: So two people walk into a bar, in this case,
Speaker 4: one person walks into a bar, and now here we are.
Speaker 4: It's so important that when we are talking with people,
Speaker 4: we know how to one hold a conversation, how to listen,
Speaker 4: and how to respond. And I have seen these things
Speaker 4: make or break some people on job interviews. And I
Speaker 4: came up from I'm the daughter of an immigrant mother,
Speaker 4: proudly first gen American on her side. She came to
Speaker 4: this country from Costa Rica when she was in her
Speaker 4: college years, attended college here, married my father, who is
Speaker 4: a Southern man, and so I was raised with no excuses,
Speaker 4: you know, lend respect and shake people's hands. I'm a millennial.
Speaker 4: When I used to call my friend's house, I would say, hi,
Speaker 4: mister or missus so, and so, how's your day going.
Speaker 4: That's excellent, it's Maddie home. And you have to learn
Speaker 4: how to have these conversations, and those tools are missing
Speaker 4: and absence from our society.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: Then you asked a little bit about my path I
Speaker 4: actually started my career. I have my master's degree in
Speaker 4: public administration as well as the master of American Government.
Speaker 4: And as you can tell from me talking, I've always
Speaker 4: wanted to be in a role that allows me to
Speaker 4: use my voice, and so I wanted to go into law.
Speaker 6: WHOA Megan twenty two thousand and eight.
Speaker 3: Yes, you dropped out just for a moment. You said
Speaker 3: you graduated where.
Speaker 4: I graduated in two thousand and eight, right during the recession,
Speaker 4: from Elon University, and so I felt my options were
Speaker 4: extremely limited, and I went into banking. And my entire
Speaker 4: career I've been in banking, but always in spaces where
Speaker 4: I can use my voice and speak to others, and
Speaker 4: I learned through that being able to connect with people
Speaker 4: from all different backgrounds people. Most recently I was in
Speaker 4: wealth management and that's where I came to Dress for
Speaker 4: Success Cincinnati from and you realize that people acqui or
Speaker 4: wealth from all different ways, and people lose wealth in
Speaker 4: all different ways. And so again here at Dress for
Speaker 4: Success Cincinnati, we want to help women find economic self sufficiency.
Speaker 4: And one of the ways to do that is ensuring
Speaker 4: you are confident and competent with who you are and
Speaker 4: you're able to present that to others. So that's what
Speaker 4: we're really doing here.
Speaker 3: That's a wonderful, wonderful concept.
Speaker 2: And I just I love the fact that you are
Speaker 2: actually making significant positive changes in these women's lives. You
Speaker 2: know what, you came up during the recession and times
Speaker 2: were kind of dicey in two thousand and eight, as
Speaker 2: we all remember, But you know what, we just got
Speaker 2: through with this COVID period where there was total isolation,
Speaker 2: and there are a lot of people that may come
Speaker 2: to you who don't even know how to look someone
Speaker 2: in the eye when they're addressing them, and because of
Speaker 2: the socialization isolation and the fact that their whole lives
Speaker 2: were all of a sudden put on hold online and
Speaker 2: there was no person to person interaction.
Speaker 3: Is that part of what you're trying to do with
Speaker 3: these folks, do.
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 4: And it's not just that a lot of the women
Speaker 4: that we're working with. Look eighty nine percent of the
Speaker 4: women that we serve our women who are below the
Speaker 4: poverty line. In addition to that, women we serve comes
Speaker 4: from all different referral sources. They can, like I mentioned
Speaker 4: at the top of the hour, women can come into
Speaker 4: our center just from word of mouth or because they
Speaker 4: know someone. But we also receive referrals from places like
Speaker 4: her Cincinnati or River City Correctional And so we have
Speaker 4: women who are overcoming unimaginable circumstances from being sex trafficked,
Speaker 4: to being abused, being in relationship ships that have not
Speaker 4: been the best, or been in really terrible situations. Maybe
Speaker 4: they're overcoming incarceration, and they come here not just because
Speaker 4: we provide a place of hope and accountability and resources,
Speaker 4: but also we help for store dignity. You mentioned not
Speaker 4: even knowing how to look someone in the eye. Sometimes
Speaker 4: the women we serve don't believe that they're worth looking
Speaker 4: someone in the eye, or that they're valuable enough for.
Speaker 3: Them to be seen.
Speaker 4: And so reshifting that mindset to help women know that
Speaker 4: they matter and they're worth in investing in. And we
Speaker 4: know studies and statistics show that when women are successful,
Speaker 4: communities are successful, children are successful, there's less crime rates.
Speaker 4: And so we know crime, for example, in Cincinnati, has
Speaker 4: been an explosion when we invest back into women. We
Speaker 4: know that all of these things have a benefit just
Speaker 4: by connection. So children are being educated better because moms
Speaker 4: can stay home and help them and pick them up
Speaker 4: after school, and they have safer environments, and they have
Speaker 4: healthier meals which leads to better behavior outcomes and more
Speaker 4: food security, which means that there's less crime in our streets.
Speaker 4: And all of these things are related.
Speaker 3: Have you got connections I'm certain you do with the
Speaker 3: business community here and helping placement for these women after
Speaker 3: they've gone through your programs.
Speaker 4: So that's another wonderful thing about the city of Cincinnati
Speaker 4: and also Northern Kentucky. When I met you, I was
Speaker 4: coming from an event with the Cincinnati Regional Chamber, and
Speaker 4: that is one organization that offers plenty of events for
Speaker 4: people to get connected and build their skill set and
Speaker 4: business acumen. But it's also a great place to meet
Speaker 4: other nonprofits and business owners, as is the Northern Kentucky Chamber.
Speaker 4: There's business owners from the Northern Kentucky Chamber who have
Speaker 4: donated their services to Dress for Success Cincinnati to help
Speaker 4: women get headshots to ensure that they're being styled in
Speaker 4: a way that matches their body type, and even what's
Speaker 4: called color matching. So are the colors you where? Do
Speaker 4: they actually reflect well on your skin tone and help
Speaker 4: you to be welcomed well into a room. There's a
Speaker 4: crazy science behind it. And even connecting again with places
Speaker 4: like Bethany House, her Cincinnati shelter House. There's the Life
Speaker 4: Learning Center we are over at. We have two satellite locations,
Speaker 4: one in Loveland and one in Covington, and the care
Speaker 4: Center is in Loveland and the Life Learning Center in Covington.
Speaker 4: And these are opportunities for us again partner with other
Speaker 4: organizations and utilize our resources to not compete in trying
Speaker 4: to serve the same population with the same thing over
Speaker 4: and over. But how can we really create a continuum
Speaker 4: of care so when women leave us, they know the
Speaker 4: next step and they know they're going to be handled
Speaker 4: well there and vice versa.
Speaker 2: Well, Megan Thompson, A pleasure to meet you originally a
Speaker 2: pleasure to talk to you tonight and let everybody know
Speaker 2: if they want to find out more about Dress for
Speaker 2: success Cincinnati. They can go to the website dfs Sincy.
Speaker 2: That's dfs CI Ncy dot org. And if you know
Speaker 2: any ladies that are trying to get a foothold on
Speaker 2: life and improve their lot and uh be a part,
Speaker 2: a productive part of society and be successful, maybe this
Speaker 2: is a direction you should send him in d fs
Speaker 2: CI Ncy dot org. Again is the website, and Megan,
Speaker 2: thank you so much. Hope to see at the bar
Speaker 2: again sometime.
Speaker 4: Thank you our plan.
Speaker 6: It's a pleasure, all right.
Speaker 3: I'll make sure that I have vermouth and olives. I
Speaker 3: promise I appreciate it, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2: Jeff Dornick from Pickaxe, a social media server you may
Speaker 2: not have heard of, but you may be hearing a
Speaker 2: lot about here in the next coming months. Will be
Speaker 2: up right after News, which is next on seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 2: How is social media impacting our lives? And we'll impact
Speaker 2: our lives automation. What are Bill Gates and Elon Musk's
Speaker 2: plan for humanity other than maybe to eliminate us? Famous
Speaker 2: quotes by Bill Gates along the way years ago he said,
Speaker 2: I think the Earth's population really should be about five
Speaker 2: hundred million we've got to find a way to get there.
Speaker 2: All the other nonsense that you've heard, and is it
Speaker 2: all just fear mongering or do we really have something
Speaker 2: to fear from AI and social media in the digital age.
Speaker 2: A guy that's our guest next is the CEO and
Speaker 2: founder of Pickax, a groundbreaking social media platform built on
Speaker 2: two uncompromising principles, freedom of speech and freedom of reach.
Speaker 2: His newest book is called Following the Leader, and we
Speaker 2: welcome him now. Jeff Dornick, thanks for coming on the
Speaker 2: Nightcap tonight on seven other WLW. How are you doing
Speaker 2: really well?
Speaker 5: Thanks for me. I've been looking forward to chat with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too when I found out you were available.
Speaker 2: This is right down my alley of stuff I want
Speaker 2: to expose and talk about because so many people have
Speaker 2: questions on our future and how technology plays a role.
Speaker 2: And you know, for decades, I know this is true,
Speaker 2: that we've been sold that technology is our savior, that
Speaker 2: innovation is progress.
Speaker 3: And it's so funny, Jeff.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 2: The more I look at what some people call progress,
Speaker 2: I find very regressive and very anti human, and you
Speaker 2: may find the same thing.
Speaker 3: But tell me again.
Speaker 2: About pickacts first, and then about how you're trying to
Speaker 2: maybe bridge that gap between technology and humanity.
Speaker 3: Tell me about pick as, Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: So with Pickax, it's a social media platform that we've
Speaker 7: that we've developed, been building it up for a couple
Speaker 7: of years now, and we uh the web versions out
Speaker 7: right now. We're dropping the iOS and android app here
Speaker 7: in the next couple of weeks. And you know, the
Speaker 7: whole idea is just how can we have the most
Speaker 7: human centered social media platform on the on the planet.
Speaker 5: And so everything we do is from.
Speaker 7: The from the perspective of how do we help human
Speaker 7: content creators. How do we help you know, writers, journalists, rumble,
Speaker 7: live streamers, you know, you know, people with podcasts.
Speaker 5: How do we help them all?
Speaker 7: Because what's happening on these you know, mainstream social media
Speaker 7: platforms is that they're they're leaning very heavily into artificial intelligence,
Speaker 7: and they're leaning very heavily into algorithms and Elon must
Speaker 7: just the other day just just announce that they're going
Speaker 7: to now essentially make it to where you're following, so
Speaker 7: the number of people that follow you has no bearing
Speaker 7: on your ability to be seen. Now it's just all
Speaker 7: going to be based on AI and the algorithm. So
Speaker 7: now your your job, essentially, according to Elon, is to
Speaker 7: write content that the algorithm likes, that the AI likes,
Speaker 7: and then the AI will decide whether your content gets
Speaker 7: seen as opposed to you being able to build your
Speaker 7: own community, build your own audience and all that. So
Speaker 7: with Pickaxe, what we're doing is we're just we're making
Speaker 7: it to where you can build an actually your own audience,
Speaker 7: and you can have direct access to your own audience.
Speaker 7: We're not going to get in the way, we're not
Speaker 7: going to get in the middle. And then we're just
Speaker 7: developing a whole bunch of features that helped you amplify that.
Speaker 7: And the way that I've set up our business model
Speaker 7: is that we only whin we only we only generate
Speaker 7: revenue as a platform when we help our human content
Speaker 7: creators to actually thrive and succeed. So it's just a
Speaker 7: completely different outlook on social media. It's kind of like
Speaker 7: we're taking it back to the way that social media
Speaker 7: was intended to be, which is social.
Speaker 5: So that's what we're trying to do at pickax Fantastic.
Speaker 2: Now, let me ask you this I've been told by
Speaker 2: other people in the know, is that soon there will
Speaker 2: be no human generated contact or I'm sorry, there'll be
Speaker 2: no human generated content on the Internet at all, because
Speaker 2: AI is now just regurgitating AI. And the problem with
Speaker 2: AI not only the algorithms and writing to what it
Speaker 2: likes according based on the algorithms, but AI has been
Speaker 2: known to hallucinate and just entirely make things up. You
Speaker 2: find that that's true.
Speaker 5: No, it's definitely, it's definitely true.
Speaker 7: And also to you know, we also have to remember
Speaker 7: the AI is only as good as the as the
Speaker 7: database that it pulls information from it, and only as
Speaker 7: good as the bias that the programmer programs into it.
Speaker 7: But it's interesting too because Mark Zuckerberg is investing I
Speaker 7: think it's sixty five billion dollars into developing artificial intelligence
Speaker 7: specifically for the purpose of creating AI generated content creators.
Speaker 7: And their in game is to actually turn humans on
Speaker 7: Facebook and Instagram into consumers only, and that they would
Speaker 7: then use AI to be the content creators. And then
Speaker 7: that way guys like Zuckerberg could say, oh, yeah, we're
Speaker 7: a free speech platform. Well yeah, because you control the
Speaker 7: speech that's on there, and you control the creators that
Speaker 7: are on there, and then which makes it easier for
Speaker 7: you to sell advertising and promote whatever narratives you want
Speaker 7: to promote and all that. So and also too, then
Speaker 7: they won't have to do any kind of revenue share
Speaker 7: with their content creators that are on their platform. So
Speaker 7: that's that's where they're going. And I think that you know,
Speaker 7: when we look at what's happening on all these tech platforms,
Speaker 7: and you know, they're using us the people, in order
Speaker 7: to fuel their AI, which in their mind is going
Speaker 7: to replace us. For example, a lot of people don't
Speaker 7: realize this, but recently Elon Must sold X essentially to himself,
Speaker 7: but X is now owned by Xai, So xai owns
Speaker 7: x Y because X is the database that they're pulling
Speaker 7: all the information from. So all of our tweets, all
Speaker 7: of our posts on X are going in order to
Speaker 7: build up the artificial intelligence that is going to replace
Speaker 7: us as the content creators like make it make sense, well.
Speaker 2: Not only replace us on the internet in social media,
Speaker 2: but replace all of what What is the danger of
Speaker 2: AI completely taking over the technology, completely taking over and
Speaker 2: rendering millions upon millions of human jobs obsolete.
Speaker 3: Are we at that point yet?
Speaker 2: Is it going to happen within the next decade, or
Speaker 2: are there too many problems with AI that it will
Speaker 2: fall under its own.
Speaker 5: Weight now all. So, there's a couple of things.
Speaker 7: One I think is that you know, as I'm listening
Speaker 7: to a lot of people in the tech world, and
Speaker 7: they're all saying that that they're considered that there's an
Speaker 7: AI bubble, which I kind.
Speaker 5: Of agree with, and I kind of disagree with that.
Speaker 7: I agree that there's an AI bubble in the sense
Speaker 7: that I think that they're investing way too much money
Speaker 7: into it, that some of these companies are not going
Speaker 7: to be able to generate enough revenue based upon their
Speaker 7: hundreds of billions of dollars of investment, and so a
Speaker 7: lot of the big tech companies that we see are
Speaker 7: either going to go out of business or restructure or
Speaker 7: something along those lines. However, also you listen to a
Speaker 7: lot of these guys that are developing the AI, they
Speaker 7: see AI is replacing not just one hundred million jobs,
Speaker 7: fifty million jobs, one hundred like they're talking about replacing
Speaker 7: all human jobs. So there's no need for humans to
Speaker 7: be in the workforce. And this is leading to, you know,
Speaker 7: conversations about you universal basic income or as Sam Altman
Speaker 7: is actually proposing that instead of you having ubi from
Speaker 7: the government, that you would have what they call a
Speaker 7: dividend coming from these tech companies that would pay you
Speaker 7: to basically not work.
Speaker 5: And so basically now.
Speaker 7: Instead of there being a universal basic skin come from
Speaker 7: the government, where okay, if the government, you know, violates
Speaker 7: your constitutional rights.
Speaker 5: You could, you know, take it to court and all
Speaker 5: that kind of stuff.
Speaker 7: But if you have a private entity that you rely
Speaker 7: upon for your revenue, and all of a sudden they say, well, yeah, well,
Speaker 7: we don't like what you talk about, we don't like
Speaker 7: your focus, we don't like what you're spending your money on,
Speaker 7: so we're going to cut you off. They don't have
Speaker 7: a constitutional responsibility to protect your free speech rights or
Speaker 7: your First Amendment rights or anything along those lines, where
Speaker 7: as the government would. So now basically that these tech companies,
Speaker 7: if it goes as planned, are going to have more
Speaker 7: power over your life, and they can actually implement the
Speaker 7: censorship that we've been opposed to for so long in
Speaker 7: a way that the government never could. This is far
Speaker 7: more dangerous if this continues down the trajectory that we're head,
Speaker 7: than anything that the government could ever do.
Speaker 2: Well, it's like the digital I D that the UN
Speaker 2: has proposed. It would control every aspect of your life
Speaker 2: through technology and through this digital so called digital ID.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like the digital dollar and everything. Uh,
Speaker 2: you not being able to have any control over your
Speaker 2: buying power over things that you want to buy, or maybe,
Speaker 2: as you said, being cut off completely because they don't
Speaker 2: like your social credit score i e.
Speaker 3: Communist China, right right.
Speaker 7: Well, and and that's where it's it's it's an interesting conversation,
Speaker 7: especially about the digital ID and uh and you know,
Speaker 7: digital currency and all that, because I think, you know,
Speaker 7: there's obviously there's a push, especially in the European countries
Speaker 7: to to make it, you know, by the force of law.
Speaker 7: We're seeing this the United Kingdom and some of some
Speaker 7: of these other places. There's there's been conversations about happening
Speaker 7: here in the United States. And what I've actually been
Speaker 7: been fear, I guess you could say, is I don't
Speaker 7: think that that would actually hold up, you know, under
Speaker 7: under you know, courts and Supreme Court and all that
Speaker 7: kind of stuff, because it would be widely unconstitutional. However,
Speaker 7: what would happen if all of a sudden, let's say,
Speaker 7: a company like x or open ai or one of
Speaker 7: these artificial intelligence companies comes in and says, hey.
Speaker 5: You know that's fine. You don't legally have to according
Speaker 5: to the United States government, but.
Speaker 7: On our platform, you have to have a digital ID,
Speaker 7: and you have to have and we're going to implement
Speaker 7: a social credit score, which they're already doing. They're actually
Speaker 7: ranking you on X right now, zero to ninety nine.
Speaker 7: And then based upon that credit score, that social credit
Speaker 7: score will depend on how likely you're to be seen
Speaker 7: within their algorithms and in the new speed and trending
Speaker 7: and all that kind of stuff. So imagine that now
Speaker 7: you know, Elon's already talking about developing his own currency.
Speaker 7: Let's say let's say that they require you to have
Speaker 7: some sort of digital ID in order to be a
Speaker 7: part of their ecosystem. And as they continue to expand,
Speaker 7: then maybe more companies begins to adopt this new technology
Speaker 7: and ID and social credit score and all that to
Speaker 7: where again they're bypassing the government.
Speaker 5: Where there'd be a lot of legal hoops in order
Speaker 5: to implement it, to where now.
Speaker 7: It would be a quote unquote voluntary opt opt in
Speaker 7: digital ID or social credit score, central bank digital currency,
Speaker 7: the whole deal to where to where they could actually
Speaker 7: get away with doing the mass censorship and having complete
Speaker 7: control over your life. So unless we create some sort
Speaker 7: of alternative ecosystem that's completely separated from AI, we're all
Speaker 7: kind of screwed because what legal recourse do you have
Speaker 7: if a private company violates your constitutional rights? We don't
Speaker 7: have any because that's only there in order to prevent
Speaker 7: the federal government from violating rights, not necessarily a private company.
Speaker 2: Have you received any pushback on pickax from these other
Speaker 2: giants and how do you protect yourself against because they
Speaker 2: have a lot of money and a lot of power, Chef.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we haven't as of yet.
Speaker 7: And again just because we're technically under pre right now,
Speaker 7: so we've got to get web burden out now actually
Speaker 7: going to be dropping soon.
Speaker 5: But I'm fully prepared for there being some sort.
Speaker 7: Of pushback blowback you know at tax things like that,
Speaker 7: and so we're taking a variety of precautions, everything from
Speaker 7: you know, servers and having backups to where if one
Speaker 7: server takes us down, we can just flip a switch
Speaker 7: and instantaneously be back up live. So you know, we're
Speaker 7: we're going into everything with our eyes wide open. Knowing
Speaker 7: that there's that there's going to be pushed back because
Speaker 7: we're going against the grain, we're going against the system,
Speaker 7: and we're creating a space that is very centered on
Speaker 7: human beings and ultimately trying to create an alternative ecosystem
Speaker 7: to where, you know, if all this kind of stuff
Speaker 7: comes to pass, as as I've been predicting that there
Speaker 7: will be a human centered space that that you know,
Speaker 7: we're not living in the Pixar movie Wally like like
Speaker 7: like Elon must says, we're going to end up being
Speaker 7: but we're actually going to be able to have you know,
Speaker 7: human to human connection and in community and creativity and
Speaker 7: all that kind of stuff. So I know there will
Speaker 7: be pushed b and we have certain things in place
Speaker 7: in order to bypass that as much as possible.
Speaker 2: Good because they believe me, if you start making waves
Speaker 2: with Pickaxe, you know that those ripples will finally be
Speaker 2: noticed by the people you've been talking about and the
Speaker 2: powers that be in the tech world, and they will
Speaker 2: either try and swallow you up or or neuter you
Speaker 2: somehow and keep you from you know, disrupting.
Speaker 3: Their evil plans. Tell me about following the leader the book.
Speaker 7: So yeah, So that's a that's a book that I've
Speaker 7: been I've been working on a writing and should be
Speaker 7: able to get it all wrapped up and finished soon.
Speaker 5: But the whole idea.
Speaker 7: So in one of my first books that I put together,
Speaker 7: it was a group book project, and I brought together
Speaker 7: a bunch of pastors and theologians and all that talking
Speaker 7: about different issues facing the church.
Speaker 5: And one of the chapters that I wrote.
Speaker 7: In that book was about the evangelical cult of personality
Speaker 7: and how a lot of these magatures pastors within Christianity
Speaker 7: almost set up their own mini cult within the Christian
Speaker 7: ecosystem to where you completely rely upon them for all
Speaker 7: of your theological training and teaching, and whatever they say goes,
Speaker 7: and you're kind of taught not to question them, and
Speaker 7: just well they're the most trained experts in their fields,
Speaker 7: so you have to just believe them, and then you
Speaker 7: follow them. And then they end up use and abuse
Speaker 7: their people in order to build up their wealth. They've
Speaker 7: set up all sorts of different, you know, kinds of
Speaker 7: nonprofits all over the place that they're bringing in.
Speaker 5: They're just raking in the money, all that kind.
Speaker 7: Of stuff, and they have ultimate control and power and
Speaker 7: all that, and when I looked at a lot of them,
Speaker 7: I realize a lot of them are using certain cult
Speaker 7: tactics in order to manipulate their base into you know,
Speaker 7: essentially playing follow the leader. Well then I started seeing, well,
Speaker 7: this isn't just happening within the church, this is happening
Speaker 7: within the political sphere. This is happening within mainstream society
Speaker 7: as well. So I started researching them. That's really what
Speaker 7: led into following the Leader. And as I was researching this,
Speaker 7: I realized, well, you know, you take this back to scientology,
Speaker 7: and you've this back to Jim Jones and Charles Manson
Speaker 7: and a lot of these different cults. It's all the
Speaker 7: same tactics that are being used. And so then I
Speaker 7: started researching the cults and looking into and looking into
Speaker 7: all of that, and you know, things like MK ultra
Speaker 7: and brainwashing and all that, and you realize, well, there's
Speaker 7: a lot of the same tactics there. And then a
Speaker 7: lot of these leaders have direct ties with an intelligence
Speaker 7: agency of some kind, and you're like, what's going on here?
Speaker 5: So you know, as I'm looking.
Speaker 7: At this, it makes perfect sense that I think a
Speaker 7: lot of these cults, going way back, we're kind of
Speaker 7: testing grounds in order in order for to see how
Speaker 7: do you get normal everyday people coming off the street
Speaker 7: to either come in and believe something insane, do some
Speaker 7: sort of atrocious thing that you would never that no
Speaker 7: human being would do, like Charles Manson going around and
Speaker 7: just mass murdering people and all, how did they do that?
Speaker 7: So I started looking at this and it was like,
Speaker 7: you know, you start with a basic lie, you build
Speaker 7: upon that, you build upon that, you build upon that
Speaker 7: until you believe something absolutely insane. And we saw that
Speaker 7: happen with COVID. We see that happening today in politics,
Speaker 7: we see that happening Trump, We see.
Speaker 5: That happening everywhere.
Speaker 7: And so my theory that a posit in the book
Speaker 7: is basically that you have the intelligence agencies or some
Speaker 7: kind of power that's involved that use the cult as
Speaker 7: testing grounds and then now they're playing out these tactics
Speaker 7: on a mass scale. And then the question is are
Speaker 7: have you been taken in by some sort of cult tactic?
Speaker 7: And that can happen on the left, it can happen
Speaker 7: on the right. And so the thing is do we
Speaker 7: self reflect, take a look at our lives and figure
Speaker 7: out what do I believe, not just what do I believe?
Speaker 5: But why do I believe it?
Speaker 7: Am I just a parent that's repeating what somebody else said?
Speaker 7: Or do I actually know that it's true? So that's
Speaker 7: really the whole theory behind the book.
Speaker 2: I guess you could say, well, as a believing Christian,
Speaker 2: I know that Jesus Christ is my sales savior. No
Speaker 2: man is my savior, whether it be a president or
Speaker 2: a congressman or an evangelical preacher with a large following.
Speaker 2: You know, you can go through the litany of names,
Speaker 2: which we don't need to do. Everybody knows what we're
Speaker 2: talking about, I think. But my my issue is that
Speaker 2: these cult like tactics, are these basic cults that are
Speaker 2: predicated on the lie uh you know that you've got
Speaker 2: to follow this one human being, this man uh to
Speaker 2: uh to find your path to salvation. Is that it
Speaker 2: turns people off of real scripturally based Christianity, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean?
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, absolutely, And I think I think it also
Speaker 7: that one of the one of the problems is is
Speaker 7: that a lot of times in the in this these
Speaker 7: kind of like cult mindsets, whether you're talking about within
Speaker 7: Christianity or within politics, they they really try to persuade
Speaker 7: you not to question anything and and not to not
Speaker 7: to actually, you know, do your own research and figure
Speaker 7: it out and all that. And I think that that's
Speaker 7: that's that's one of the really big things that I
Speaker 7: really want to encourage people to is break away from
Speaker 7: this mentality of you're not supposed to question, like question everything,
Speaker 7: because because the truth, if you are a true secret
Speaker 7: of the truth, you read the Bible, you know from
Speaker 7: in the political sphere, obviously, you read the Constitution, you
Speaker 7: read the Founding documents, you go through all that. The
Speaker 7: truth is there, you go find it. But you also
Speaker 7: have to be humble enough to realize that maybe I
Speaker 7: miss something, maybe I'm wrong. And so for me, I
Speaker 7: have a lot of conversations with a lot of people
Speaker 7: from a lot of different perspectives, and I go into
Speaker 7: everything believing what I believe one hundred percent, but I'm
Speaker 7: also open to the idea that possibly the other person
Speaker 7: I have an argument where I need to go back
Speaker 7: and I need to look at what I believe and say, Okay,
Speaker 7: did my belief hold up the scrutiny or do I
Speaker 7: need to maybe reconsider something, tweet something, change something.
Speaker 2: Jeff we're out of time, but I appreciate yours. Pickaxe
Speaker 2: is this new human based social media that Jeff Dornick
Speaker 2: and his group have launched. And you know, we'll check
Speaker 2: back in and see when you're up and running. Jeff, Okay,
Speaker 2: sounds good. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: It's the Nightcap and it continues right after news on
Speaker 2: seven hunderd WLW. As we continue on this Monday Nightcap
Speaker 2: on seven one hundrel a guy that's been on the
Speaker 2: program many times and he's been gracious enough to come
Speaker 2: back on with us tonight. He is the man at
Speaker 2: the d man at the Crime Prevention Research Center CPRC.
Speaker 3: His name is John Lott.
Speaker 2: When it comes to the real stats on crime, we're
Speaker 2: talking about it a lot in the news and the
Speaker 2: recent so called surgeon crime.
Speaker 3: What are the root causes behind it? What do the
Speaker 3: stats actually say?
Speaker 2: There's no better expert than our guest, John Lott, Doctor Lott,
Speaker 2: it's great to have you back on the show.
Speaker 8: How are you doing great, great to talk to you,
Speaker 8: Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2: Just drop something in real clear politics here? What do
Speaker 2: stats really say about the crime surge? So can we
Speaker 2: just get a thumbnail first of the overview of what
Speaker 2: that says. What do the stats do say about the
Speaker 2: crime surge in America today?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 8: But I think with over the last four years, we've
Speaker 8: seen a huge percentage increase in violent crime, about a
Speaker 8: fifty nine percent increase over four years, which is unprecedented
Speaker 8: for that large of a percentage increase. And it basically
Speaker 8: comes down to this. There are two measures that we
Speaker 8: have of crime. We have crimes report to police and
Speaker 8: then we have total crimes. And what people need to
Speaker 8: realize is that only about forty percent of violent crimes
Speaker 8: get report to police and only about thirty percent of
Speaker 8: property crimes get reported to police. And in the past,
Speaker 8: prior to COVID, the number of crimes reported to police
Speaker 8: and the total amount of crime.
Speaker 6: Tended to go up and down together.
Speaker 8: But since COVID, there's been a real huge disconnect. What
Speaker 8: we've seen a little drop in an overall reported crime,
Speaker 8: we've actually seen this huge, unprecedented increase in total crime.
Speaker 6: This's occurred.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you mentioned in this Real Clear Politics article
Speaker 2: that during the presidential debate between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris,
Speaker 2: President Trump now President Trump, said violent crime was rising.
Speaker 2: The ABC moderator said, President Trump, as you know, the
Speaker 2: FBI says overall violent crime is coming down in this country.
Speaker 2: Was the FBI cook in the books or is it
Speaker 2: just this the fact that it's the crimes are not
Speaker 2: being reported.
Speaker 3: John.
Speaker 8: Right, Well, I think it's the crimes just aren't being reported,
Speaker 8: and there's simple reasons for that. One of the biggest
Speaker 8: reasons is whether or not people report crimes to the
Speaker 8: police depends in part on whether or not people think
Speaker 8: that the criminals are going to be and punished. And
Speaker 8: one thing that we've seen over the last few years
Speaker 8: has been a huge drop in the rate that criminals
Speaker 8: are arrested and punished for crime. It's gone down like
Speaker 8: by almost half of what it was beforehand. And it's
Speaker 8: also become more difficult for people to report crimes in
Speaker 8: many parts of the country. You know, six seven years ago,
Speaker 8: if you had had a violent crime occur and you
Speaker 8: called up the police, they would send out a police car. Well,
Speaker 8: now if you call it nine to one one, what
Speaker 8: they'll go and they'll say is they'll ask you first,
Speaker 8: is the criminals still there committing the crime? And if
Speaker 8: you say no, which is virtually always the case, that
Speaker 8: you know the crimes already occurred, the criminals left the scene.
Speaker 8: They'll say, well, you can come down to the police
Speaker 8: station and wait in line, and uh, you know, you
Speaker 8: can get a police report filled out. A lot of
Speaker 8: people may not understand that just simply calling up nine
Speaker 8: to one one doesn't result in a police report. Will
Speaker 8: only get a police report when a police officer actually
Speaker 8: goes and fills out the report that's there. And so
Speaker 8: you know, it's it's not too difficult to understand. I
Speaker 8: guess that if if you make it more costly, more
Speaker 8: time consuming for people to go and report a crime,
Speaker 8: you're going to have at least some people who are
Speaker 8: going to say, look, it's just not worth my time
Speaker 8: to go and do that, and so those crimes will
Speaker 8: go unreported.
Speaker 2: The National Crime Victimization Survey that your reference in this
Speaker 2: article a pretty steep contrast between President Trump's first term
Speaker 2: and Joe Biden's term in office as president. As you mentioned,
Speaker 2: the fifty nine percent surge, with rape and sexual assault
Speaker 2: up sixty seven percent, robbery of thirty eight percent, an
Speaker 2: aggravated assault of sixty two two. That's like twenty twenty
Speaker 2: through twenty twenty four. As you said post COVID the
Speaker 2: first term of President Trump. That same NCVS data showed
Speaker 2: that between twenty seventeen and twenty twenty, violent crime fell
Speaker 2: fifteen percent, including a six percent drop in robbery, a
Speaker 2: twenty four percent decline, and aggravated assault, rape and sexual
Speaker 2: assault rose slightly. The increase was less than ten percent
Speaker 2: over what occurred in Joe Biden's term. So what was
Speaker 2: happening differently in President Trump's first term that didn't happen
Speaker 2: during Biden It maybe is not related to COVID from
Speaker 2: what you're seeing.
Speaker 8: Well, I think I think under Biden, the big problem
Speaker 8: that you have is that they just made it a
Speaker 8: lot less risky for criminals to go on commit crime.
Speaker 8: I mean, look at DC for example, in Washington, d C.
Speaker 8: It's the US attorney who's responsible for prosecuting crimes by adults,
Speaker 8: the US attorney that you had there under the Biden administration.
Speaker 8: In twenty twenty two, he refused to prosecute sixty seven
Speaker 8: percent of the arrests that occurred during that time. In
Speaker 8: twenty twenty three, he refused to prosecute still fifty six
Speaker 8: percent of the arrests that occurred there. As a huge
Speaker 8: percentage of arrest that just won't result in prosecutions. Obviously
Speaker 8: under somebody like Judge Dean Pirot right now, she's had
Speaker 8: much more aggressive you know, if you're arrested, she's going
Speaker 8: to prosecute you for your crime. And you know, during
Speaker 8: the first Trump term, only about thirty percent of arrests
Speaker 8: were not prosecuted. So you know, it was still higher
Speaker 8: than Piero, but it was a lot less than was
Speaker 8: occurring under the Biden administration. And you know, it's just
Speaker 8: kind of a lot of the resources in the federal government,
Speaker 8: like with regard to the FBI, they were not being
Speaker 8: used to go after what you and I might regard
Speaker 8: as violent criminals. They would go and record license plates
Speaker 8: at school board meetings, or go and infiltrate you know,
Speaker 8: Catholic church meetings, or you know, a huge amount of
Speaker 8: effort and time dealing with January sixth, even people that
Speaker 8: had no violent actions that were taken. You know, the
Speaker 8: the on average, the person the people who engaged in
Speaker 8: any violence on January sixth spent at least forty two
Speaker 8: months in prison. But there are lots of people who
Speaker 8: ended up spending you know, being investigated and spending substantial
Speaker 8: time in prison who engaged in absolutely no violence at all,
Speaker 8: you know, basically trespassing type things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Paradi.
Speaker 8: Right well, and there was a huge amount of resources
Speaker 8: spent on that. So, you know, under Trump, whether it
Speaker 8: was the first term or even more so now, they're
Speaker 8: going you know, they're going after criminals.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So let me ask you talking to John Lott from
Speaker 2: the Crime Prevention Research Center about the crime surge that
Speaker 2: we've been living through the last four years or so,
Speaker 2: which President Trump has been talking about and not only
Speaker 2: in the debate before in the campaign, but he's been
Speaker 2: actively trying to do something about it, obviously, and he's
Speaker 2: getting a lot of pushback about that from around the
Speaker 2: country for various reasons, but they're mostly political in anything
Speaker 2: that Trump does must be stopped immediately, even if it's right.
Speaker 2: We see that all over the place, John, But what
Speaker 2: about what he did with the Federal District of Columbia,
Speaker 2: And you mentioned the criminals knowing they're going to be
Speaker 2: prosecuted is the main thing that's the deterrent to actually
Speaker 2: bring the crime rate down, and I believe that as well.
Speaker 2: But what do you think about the President's plan to
Speaker 2: install federal troops to augment local police departments around the country.
Speaker 2: Is that going to be an effective tool if he's
Speaker 2: allowed to do it?
Speaker 8: Well, I mean, they've already been doing this in Memphis.
Speaker 8: There seems to be a substantial drop that they're seeing
Speaker 8: in crime already there. Obviously they had huge drops in
Speaker 8: violent crime, like an eighty five drop in carjackings.
Speaker 6: In Washington, d C.
Speaker 8: When they moved Himand you know, it's a combination of things.
Speaker 8: In Memphis and d C. They've moved federal law enforcement
Speaker 8: agents like the FBI, ATF and others into the area there.
Speaker 8: They've also moved to National Guard. So you know it's
Speaker 8: in d C about thirteen hundred patrol officers, no more
Speaker 8: than four hundred are on duty at any point in time.
Speaker 8: The change that Trump made essentially doubled the number of
Speaker 8: boots that you had on the ground at any point
Speaker 8: in time. And you know, they had huge increases in arrests,
Speaker 8: made it much more difficult for criminals to commit crime.
Speaker 8: What's riskier, and they've been prosecuting them. Now they're still problems.
Speaker 8: The District Columbia is responsible for prosecuting juvenile crime. You
Speaker 8: just had that situation where the young doage individual, the
Speaker 8: government efficiency expert you know, nicknamed Big Balls, he had
Speaker 8: been savagely beaten and attacked by ten juveniles. The judge
Speaker 8: released them, initially didn't require that they had to spend
Speaker 8: time in jail, and now this last week she just
Speaker 8: decided that they would get no jail time, that they
Speaker 8: would just get probation for the savage AGGBT assault that
Speaker 8: they engaged in.
Speaker 6: You know, so.
Speaker 8: You still have problems in DC and things that they
Speaker 8: completely control in terms like the punishment for juveniles. But
Speaker 8: you know, there there's still been some change in all
Speaker 8: the violent adult criminals that they've taken off the street.
Speaker 8: You know, they're still off the street. They're still going
Speaker 8: to be not committing crime for some period of time,
Speaker 8: So there'll still be some benefits even when the federal
Speaker 8: law enforcement has moved away from there. But you know,
Speaker 8: it's Trump has done things across the board. It's not
Speaker 8: just higher rest rates, higher conviction rates, longer prison sentences,
Speaker 8: but they've also made it easier for victims to be
Speaker 8: able to go and defend themselves, which also makes it
Speaker 8: riskier for criminals to makes it riskier for criminals to
Speaker 8: commit crimes. So, for example, it had been taking six
Speaker 8: to eight months or more for people to get their
Speaker 8: concealed carry permit in Washington, d C. The Trump administration
Speaker 8: put pressure on the DC government and they've sped it
Speaker 8: up now to get your permit within two weeks. You know,
Speaker 8: all those things matter.
Speaker 2: Well, do you have a you take a lot of
Speaker 2: good stock and the Bureau of Justice Statistics National Crime
Speaker 2: Victimization Survey, which you know before twenty twenty, the FBI
Speaker 2: Statistics and the Bureau of Statistics, as you point out
Speaker 2: in this article in real clear politics, they kind of
Speaker 2: moved side by side in tandem. But then they are
Speaker 2: totally different now as far as reported crime from the
Speaker 2: FBI and then from the survey of two hundred and
Speaker 2: forty thousand people living in the United States asking whether
Speaker 2: they were crime victims, the two are moving in opposite
Speaker 2: directions or have been. Do you see a lot of
Speaker 2: validity into that particular survey because there are so many
Speaker 2: people interviewed.
Speaker 8: No, I mean they survey two hundred and forty thousand people,
Speaker 8: so I mean it's really a huge survey. I mean,
Speaker 8: it's kind of always been the gold standard for crime
Speaker 8: statistics and The reason is that we know that most
Speaker 8: violent crimes and most property crimes aren't report to police.
Speaker 8: And you know, if you're going to ask people, what
Speaker 8: about most do you care about what's happened to total
Speaker 8: crime or you care about the number of crimes that
Speaker 8: reports police. I mean, obviously both matter in some sense
Speaker 8: in terms of policy and what.
Speaker 6: You want to do.
Speaker 8: But you know what affects the quality of people's lives
Speaker 8: is what happens to total crime?
Speaker 2: All right, Well, you can find the actual stats and
Speaker 2: the information because they do a phenomenal job of compiling
Speaker 2: it all at Crimeresearch dot org. It's the CPRC, the
Speaker 2: Crime Prevention Research Center. It's founder, president John Lott with us.
Speaker 2: I always love having you on. I love getting the
Speaker 2: real scoop on stuff that is being bandied about like
Speaker 2: a political football in the media all the time. John,
Speaker 2: and you were great for setting the record straight. So
Speaker 2: thank you again for coming on with us.
Speaker 8: Well, thanks so much, Jeff, I greatly appreciate you having
Speaker 8: me on.
Speaker 2: You bet, John Lott from the CPRC. Tonight on the Nightcap,
Speaker 2: plentymore show left to go, and we'll get to it
Speaker 2: in due time. Hang on, Opportunity tonight to talk to
Speaker 2: John Doctor John Brady. We've had him on before. He's
Speaker 2: a forensic psychologist, he is an author and he has
Speaker 2: a new book coming out called Breakdown, and it's getting
Speaker 2: inside the criminal mind. We talk about the Sir Hans
Speaker 2: Sir Han assassination of RFK. We talk about Luigi Mangioni
Speaker 2: up to date and how it references with the an
Speaker 2: alliance with the Charlie Kirkshooter in his expertise, Doctor Brady,
Speaker 2: welcome back to the Nightcap. It's good to have you
Speaker 2: on again. When is the book going to be available?
Speaker 9: First, Dary, it's my pleasure. WLW is my favorite station.
Speaker 9: Reminds me of WLS in Chicago that I grew up listening.
Speaker 5: To, So I really appreciate the.
Speaker 2: You know what, that's something we have, that's something we
Speaker 2: have in common, doctor Brady, because when I was a kid.
Speaker 2: When I was a kid, we lived in the West
Speaker 2: Burbs of Chicago and they're in Chicago Land, and I
Speaker 2: grew up listening to eighty nine WLS when it was
Speaker 2: the premiere Boss Jock top forty radio station in the country.
Speaker 2: And that's exactly where I got bit by the broadcasting bug.
Speaker 2: Was being seven years old and listening to WLS on
Speaker 2: my transistor radio in nineteen sixty six, sixty seven. So
Speaker 2: I am right there with you.
Speaker 9: That's exactly right, because I grew up in Joliet, uh huh, Illinois.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we were. We were in Naperville and Downers Grove, Oh.
Speaker 9: Right up the road. I mean I used to run
Speaker 9: track against Naperville. I mean, what what a great little
Speaker 9: town that is. You know, I still have relatives, my
Speaker 9: nieces and nephews live in Naperville, and that's just a wonderful,
Speaker 9: wonderful area.
Speaker 5: So we have we have that in common.
Speaker 9: W LS listening to that station on my transistor radio also,
Speaker 9: so you know it was that little our RCA radio
Speaker 9: that we had.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had. I had a nine volt to operate
Speaker 2: a GE transistor right up against my ear. Anyway, Doctor Brady, U,
Speaker 2: this is this is old Home Week for us. But
Speaker 2: for the benefit for the edification of the audience, what
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about the psychological DNA and the
Speaker 2: cold case analysis of who killed Robert F. Kennedy, And
Speaker 2: you're talking about breakdown as it relates to modern day
Speaker 2: assassins or people that are looked at as assassins. Did
Speaker 2: they act alone and all Lee Lee Harvey Oswald. You know,
Speaker 2: there were so many things in the RFK case back
Speaker 2: in the summer of nineteen sixty eight that did not
Speaker 2: really add up to Sir Han Surhan?
Speaker 3: Is that true?
Speaker 6: That's right?
Speaker 9: I mean, I mean I worked on that case peripherally
Speaker 9: with the chief psychiatrist, doctor Bernard Diamond. He was my
Speaker 9: advisor in the Schruel Criminology at UC Berkeley, and he
Speaker 9: more or less orchestrated the psychiatric defense on behalf of
Speaker 9: Sir Hand. But as you say, Gary, there were a
Speaker 9: lot of misnomers.
Speaker 5: There were a lot of issues with that trial.
Speaker 9: The defense kind of drifted into a position where nobody
Speaker 9: knew exactly where they were going. The doctors had information
Speaker 9: that were at cross purposes with the primary defense of
Speaker 9: Sir Hand, which was a diminished capacity the defense that
Speaker 9: was not a complete psychiatric defense, but it was a
Speaker 9: partial defense to show that he wasn't one hundred percent
Speaker 9: responsible for his behavior at the time of the assassination
Speaker 9: of RFK. The testimony presented by many of the witnesses
Speaker 9: just counteracted where doctor Diamond wanted to go with his
Speaker 9: defense and left it very confusing to the jury that
Speaker 9: kind of just threw up their hands and said, this
Speaker 9: is all just psychobabble, we don't understand it, and we're
Speaker 9: going to convict.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right.
Speaker 2: So Lee Harvey Oswald is another obviously interesting character as
Speaker 2: it plays into assassins or alleged assassins of famous political
Speaker 2: leaders in this country or famous people in this country.
Speaker 2: And we never got the chance to really psychologically examine
Speaker 2: Lee Harvey Oswald, did we.
Speaker 5: See that?
Speaker 9: That's that's good point, Gary, That's probably the point in
Speaker 9: my book Breakdown, where I compare the mental status of
Speaker 9: Lee Harvey Oswald with Sir Hand.
Speaker 5: Sir Hand.
Speaker 9: What I found is that lots of people have commented
Speaker 9: over the years, including forensic psychologists and psychiatrists, concerning their
Speaker 9: individual psycho pathologies. There's been no real side by side
Speaker 9: comparison of their of their developmental behaviors.
Speaker 5: And how they got to.
Speaker 9: A particular stage where they took up firearms and wanted
Speaker 9: to kill the Kennedy brothers. In this book, I go
Speaker 9: back historically, and as you say, there hasn't been much
Speaker 9: really done in terms of an analysis or no comparison
Speaker 9: of these two individuals. So I trace it all the
Speaker 9: way back to probably about age twelve, where both of
Speaker 9: these people experienced severe psychological traumas. With Lee Harvey Oswalt,
Speaker 9: he was placed in a New York guidance center. He
Speaker 9: was evaluated by a psychiatrist, a psychologist, and a social worker,
Speaker 9: and the reports that came out concerning his behavior at
Speaker 9: the time suggested that he had violent potential, violent tendencies,
Speaker 9: was alienated, was cut off, in the strange.
Speaker 5: From other people.
Speaker 9: His psychological testing at that particular time, particularly using some
Speaker 9: psychological projective techniques, also showed that he was cut off.
Speaker 9: He was alien He was a strange from society. He
Speaker 9: was a strange from his domineering, pretty much crazy mother,
Speaker 9: Margaret Rete Oswald, who had a tremendous negative impact on
Speaker 9: his life. When you compare that then to let's look
Speaker 9: at Sirhan at age twelve, he was embroiled in the
Speaker 9: same kind of conflict that was going on in Gaza today.
Speaker 9: So there's a parallel between what happened was Sirhan's developmental
Speaker 9: years at age twelve, still living in East Palestine East
Speaker 9: Jerusalem that was later annexed as Jordan, but he saw
Speaker 9: a terrible violence. He saw people being killed, his brother
Speaker 9: was killed. He saw body parts, people blown up on
Speaker 9: the street, He saw people who.
Speaker 5: Were who were dismembered.
Speaker 9: He had tremendous psychological pressures at the same stage, same
Speaker 9: age as Lee Harvey Oswald did.
Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of no wonder that the so called
Speaker 2: Palestinian people, whomever they may be, the Arabs that call
Speaker 2: themselves Palestinian, wind up with that kind of a history,
Speaker 2: wind up electing terrorists as people to protect and to
Speaker 2: lead them. It's no big surprise, is it.
Speaker 5: It's some big surprise.
Speaker 9: And the interesting the interesting point, Gary, is that as
Speaker 9: you look back me history repeats itself. It was the
Speaker 9: same exact situation happening in Gaza after that October seventh
Speaker 9: invasion and murder of the Jewish kids at the Rock festival.
Speaker 9: It was the same kind of pathology that Sirhan faced
Speaker 9: with belligerents during the time of the occupation of the British,
Speaker 9: turning it over to NATO to become a separate country,
Speaker 9: which it did in nineteen forty seven. So there are
Speaker 9: absolute similarities between what's happening today, what happened then, and
Speaker 9: the Palestinian government franchise pretty much has remained the same
Speaker 9: as a terrorist organization devoted to Mayhem, especially.
Speaker 5: Against the Jewish population.
Speaker 9: Sirhan couldn't avoid to be indoctrinated into this ideology of
Speaker 9: hating Jews.
Speaker 5: This substream of.
Speaker 9: Thought permeated his entire behavior and was well reflected in
Speaker 9: what we talked about before, which was the trial. During
Speaker 9: the trial, several of the doctors were Jewish, including doctor Diamond,
Speaker 9: and Sir Hand continually impaled belittled the jewishness of these
Speaker 9: doctors that were actually.
Speaker 5: Trying to help him.
Speaker 10: He wanted to to to to not deal with Jewish doctors.
Speaker 10: He kept he kept calling them, you know, against him,
Speaker 10: that they were anti Palestinian.
Speaker 5: None of this was true. The team of doctors that.
Speaker 9: Were Jewish of Jewish religion wanted to help him, but
Speaker 9: because of his hatred that was engendered when he was
Speaker 9: still in Palestine, really worked at variants with his own
Speaker 9: self interest to present a defense that might reduce the
Speaker 9: charges against him to second degree murder that would allowed
Speaker 9: him to get get parole rather than convicted of first
Speaker 9: degree murder where he was sentenced to death.
Speaker 3: All right, let's flash ahead to Luigi Mangioti and the
Speaker 3: Have you found any similar patterns in his development?
Speaker 9: Luigi Mangione I call an ideology tourist. There are so
Speaker 9: many of these people floating around in society, particularly on
Speaker 9: the on the dark pages of the Internet, who are
Speaker 9: looking for causes to tie their existence to or to
Speaker 9: justify their existence. Mangione was this kind of person, as
Speaker 9: evidenced by his own manifesto, where he was anti capitalistic,
Speaker 9: He was anti American, anti healthcare obviously, so his main
Speaker 9: focus was a destruction of the US healthcare system because
Speaker 9: he felt it was a a top down system that
Speaker 9: that militated against poor people denying claims. Even on three
Speaker 9: of the bullet casings he wrote words of denied delay
Speaker 9: and deposed meaning denied UH coverage for healthcare delay services,
Speaker 9: and then in the end deposed people or take them
Speaker 9: to court to reject their their medical claims. So his
Speaker 9: his ideology kind of blinded him and sent him into
Speaker 9: this this.
Speaker 5: Separate mind state where he thought that he was the.
Speaker 9: Important, most important person in the world to be able
Speaker 9: to change things his Interestingly enough, another person that I
Speaker 9: that I talk about in my book is Ted Kazinsky,
Speaker 9: the unibomber ted Kazinsky became Mangione's hero. He he recommended
Speaker 9: he recommended reading Kazinsky's book on the Anti Society, Anti
Speaker 9: Capitalistic Society, written.
Speaker 5: Thirty years before.
Speaker 9: So his ideology kind of sprang from from the Unibomber's
Speaker 9: ideology that was kind of nihilistic to overthrow the certain
Speaker 9: factions of the country, certain factions of the government. And
Speaker 9: Mangioni picked up on this during a reading session when
Speaker 9: he was in exile in in in Hawaii where he
Speaker 9: hooked up with a commune before he committed this particular crime.
Speaker 2: Oh, you know, and the Charlie kirkshooter, would you would
Speaker 2: you regard him as another one of these ideological tourists.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think there that with Robinson, there's a similar
Speaker 9: kind of vein of thought where he was looking for
Speaker 9: a a way to justify the kind of behavior that
Speaker 9: he was about to engage in against Charlie Kirk. There's
Speaker 9: so many factors to that Robinson case, the transsexual issue
Speaker 9: with the boyfriend, with actually what Charlie Kirk was saying
Speaker 9: at the time that he was assassinated concerning transgenderism, is
Speaker 9: probably no coincidence that this is when he fired the
Speaker 9: fatal shot that killed Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 5: So he was.
Speaker 9: Another kind of lost soul drifting out there looking for
Speaker 9: some kind of meaning. And there are literally thousands of
Speaker 9: these people who become addicted to the Internet who seek
Speaker 9: some sort of existential meaning through the Internet and as
Speaker 9: an outlet that they want to justify their behavior as
Speaker 9: being the person who's capable of taking measures into their
Speaker 9: own hands to change society. So Robinson probably had a
Speaker 9: naive belief system that by by shooting Charlie Kirk that
Speaker 9: he was actually going to change something in society, whereas
Speaker 9: in the end he just becomes a murderer, just like
Speaker 9: Luigi Mangioni did, although Manngione probably a lot more ahead
Speaker 9: in terms of IQ points orchestrated and wrote about his
Speaker 9: belief system in his manifesto that the defense attorney now
Speaker 9: in New York is trying to preclude from being used
Speaker 9: as as evidence against him.
Speaker 2: Right, Doctor Brady, I tell people all the time, I'm
Speaker 2: so glad that I've had this career in radio, so
Speaker 2: I don't feel isolated and go shoot people.
Speaker 3: I have an outlet.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well you.
Speaker 9: Can also you can also talk to me, you know,
Speaker 9: I'll talk.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that, doctor John Brady. The book is Breakdown
Speaker 2: Inside the Mind of a Killer, a forensic psychologist that
Speaker 2: we are proud to have on the program.
Speaker 3: Again. Thank you, doctor Brady.
Speaker 5: And you can get that at Trying Day.
Speaker 9: Publishers are any Day or Barnes and Noble or of
Speaker 9: course on Amazon or from my website, doctor John C.
Speaker 5: Brady.
Speaker 2: And the title the title, the title is Breakdown. That's right,
Speaker 2: all right, thank you, doctor. We got to move along,
Speaker 2: but I appreciate your time certainly, Sir.
Speaker 5: Gary, thank you so much.
Speaker 3: You got it.
Speaker 5: I hope to talk to you again soon.
Speaker 2: Okay, more Nightcap ahead in just moments. Hang on Nightcap
Speaker 2: on this Monday evening. It's seven hundred ULW Garry Jeff
Speaker 2: our little interview show we do on Monday and Tuesday
Speaker 2: nights when the Reds aren't playing baseball, and thankfully they're
Speaker 2: not so I can work and bring you fantastic guests
Speaker 2: like our next one. He is a senior science advisor
Speaker 2: at the CO two Coalition. And if you listen to
Speaker 2: this program at all over the years, you know that
Speaker 2: CO two Coalition is based in Washington, DC area. Greg
Speaker 2: Wrightstone put that together initially and today we have many
Speaker 2: Derek Shani who is again the senior Science Advisor, And
Speaker 2: the thing about the CO two coalition is that they
Speaker 2: just put together actual facts and data and they try
Speaker 2: and educate the public on what's really going on with
Speaker 2: the climate or not going on with the climate. No
Speaker 2: matter what you're told in numerous mainstream sources elsewhere, the
Speaker 2: fear mongering that has gone on, the false data, the
Speaker 2: wrong computer models, and all of that monoly. Derek Shauna
Speaker 2: is a guy who actually, Derek Shawnee is a guy
Speaker 2: who actually puts together real science based models and data
Speaker 2: to tell the public what's really going on. So it's
Speaker 2: great to have you here, and thanks for being on
Speaker 2: the show. How are you.
Speaker 6: To be great? And it's a pleasure to be here.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me all right, fantastic.
Speaker 2: So, as a senior science advisor, we've been told over
Speaker 2: and over again the lie that most scientists agree that
Speaker 2: man made caused, fossil fueled climate change is going to
Speaker 2: kill the planet and kill us. All the actual evidence
Speaker 2: is that the Earth is greening, we're not substantially warmer
Speaker 2: than we were, and that a man made causes as
Speaker 2: far as affecting the climate are magnificant or to the
Speaker 2: point of insignificant insignificance. But yet the push is still
Speaker 2: on by these globalists and people who want the redistribution
Speaker 2: of Western wealth to support their claim. First and foremost, Bnali, No,
Speaker 2: science is not Consensus's let's get that out of the
Speaker 2: way first. There's no consensus that that man made cause
Speaker 2: global warming is going to be the downfall of it's
Speaker 2: all in the planet because consensus is not science.
Speaker 3: Correct.
Speaker 6: Absolutely.
Speaker 11: That's also Michael crichteny thanously said, if it's science, it
Speaker 11: isn't consensus, and if it's consensus, it isn't science.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, I mean, what have you found in your most
Speaker 2: recent research? Is there any new information that the CO
Speaker 2: two coalition has put together to try and convince people
Speaker 2: that they need to be paying attention to the truth
Speaker 2: and not all of the hype and the yelling and
Speaker 2: the noise it's coming from the other side.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 11: So, in our latest newsletter for the CO two correlition,
Speaker 11: we expose the fear mongering surrounding the coral reefs, especially
Speaker 11: the Great Barrier Reef, and the alleged effect that global
Speaker 11: warming is having on the coral reef ecosystems on the planet.
Speaker 6: So in particular, one.
Speaker 11: Of the main talking points of the climate alarmist mafia
Speaker 11: is that the Great Barrier Reef or coral reefs globally
Speaker 11: are suffering and dying off as a result of the
Speaker 11: increased planetary temperatures, allegedly due to the rising concentration of
Speaker 11: CO two in the atmosphere calls by also allegedly or
Speaker 11: caused by us actually, but in fact, if we look
Speaker 11: at the latest measurement data of coral cover for the
Speaker 11: Great Barrier Reef, we find that actually in twenty twenty
Speaker 11: five the coral cover is the highest. It's still in
Speaker 11: a record high amounts in this forty year period. It's
Speaker 11: higher than it was in nineteen eighty five, and it's
Speaker 11: higher than it was anywhere between nineteen eighty five and
Speaker 11: around two thousand twenty one or so, And so in
Speaker 11: the past four years it's in the record high in
Speaker 11: a forty year time span.
Speaker 2: But doesn't this happen over and over again in the
Speaker 2: history of our planet. Is that there are natural cycles,
Speaker 2: There are solar cycles, and there is there are periods
Speaker 2: of warming, there are periods.
Speaker 3: Of great cooling, and we have very little effect.
Speaker 2: I mean, what are the numbers that say human caused
Speaker 2: climate change is a significant contributor to what our temperatures
Speaker 2: are and what the Earth does. It seems to me
Speaker 2: like things like the Great Barrier Reef that you just referenced,
Speaker 2: which is now a record high in production, is that
Speaker 2: this is a cycle that has occurred over time, over
Speaker 2: and over and over again.
Speaker 6: Right, that's absolutely correct.
Speaker 11: And in fact, you see that in the temperature in
Speaker 11: this coral reef cover data records from going forty years back.
Speaker 6: You see that it fluctuates.
Speaker 11: It oscillates around different values, and now it so happens
Speaker 11: that it's gone up.
Speaker 6: And there's a certain reason for that.
Speaker 11: A good reason for that because corals actually like warmer weather.
Speaker 11: They thrive in higher temperatures. They grow faster and higher temperatures,
Speaker 11: and that's also what we see in the Great Barrier Reef.
Speaker 11: The warmer areas of the Great Barrier Reef, an area
Speaker 11: of around one hundred and thirty thousand square miles. The
Speaker 11: growth rates are faster in the warmer areas and slower in.
Speaker 6: The colder areas. And the temperature.
Speaker 11: Of the planet of planet Earth indeed does vary on
Speaker 11: its own, independently of what humans are doing, and there's
Speaker 11: no evidence that the warming over the past forty five
Speaker 11: or fifty years, or even two hundred years has anything
Speaker 11: to do with the or anything any thing meaningful to
Speaker 11: do with the amount of CO two that we are
Speaker 11: putting into the atmosphere through the burden of fossil fuels.
Speaker 11: There are many other factors that dominate control over planetary
Speaker 11: temperatures of Earth, mainly water, vapor clouds, the amount of
Speaker 11: heat that's put the positives into the atmosphere from various
Speaker 11: ocean cycles like Almino and other ocean cycle processes. All
Speaker 11: of these factors play a much much larger role in
Speaker 11: controlling or regulating or changing the temperatures of the planet
Speaker 11: then we do through burning fossil fields.
Speaker 2: We keep hearing from all these loud, shrill voices around
Speaker 2: us that are promoting this man made climate change, that
Speaker 2: hurricanes and tornadoes and weather is becoming more and more extreme.
Speaker 3: What does the actual data show on that.
Speaker 11: The actual data shows that to the extent that we
Speaker 11: have data on this, from say satellite records, or from
Speaker 11: counts or measures of the intensity of hurricanes. Going back
Speaker 11: one hundred years, we find that the data actually shows
Speaker 11: that there's been no real discernible change in hurricanes or tornadoes,
Speaker 11: or tropical storms or anything like that. And this is
Speaker 11: even admitted, by the way, by the National Ocean and
Speaker 11: Atmospheric Administration during the Vibing Administration on their own website,
Speaker 11: they do a detailed study of how hurricane number and
Speaker 11: intensity has changed going back one hundred plus years, and
Speaker 11: they conclude that there is no evidence of any increase
Speaker 11: in hurricane activity or in the hurricane intensity over this time.
Speaker 2: Spin we're talking to Minelli Derek Shawnee from the CO
Speaker 2: two Coalition. Now, I've heard in previous discussions with doctor
Speaker 2: Wrightstone and others that we actually have a period of
Speaker 2: greening going on across the globe, that crop production is
Speaker 2: up in many cases, and that the planet is becoming greener.
Speaker 2: Which I don't see that as I don't see that
Speaker 2: as something that bodes ill for the ecosystem or the Earth,
Speaker 2: do you, guys, I mean, what have you found.
Speaker 3: Out about that?
Speaker 11: Indeed the planet has been greening. The amount of vegetation,
Speaker 11: plant life, trees, globally, cover of vegetation has been going
Speaker 11: up substantially over the past forty plus years as measured
Speaker 11: by satellites and even NASA amidst this, that this has
Speaker 11: been happening, and that predominantly this is because humans are
Speaker 11: increasing the concentration of CO two in the atmosphere.
Speaker 6: Through the burning of fossil fields.
Speaker 11: More vegetation, more plant life means there's more food that
Speaker 11: can be grown. There's more farmable land on the planet.
Speaker 11: Places that couldn't be farmed before now can be. They
Speaker 11: can produce agriculture there, And in general, there's nothing wrong
Speaker 11: with having a greener planet.
Speaker 6: It's actually a good thing.
Speaker 11: There's no reason to think that that produces any sort
Speaker 11: of harm to human well being or for that matter,
Speaker 11: to animal well being. If anything, it helps the animals too,
Speaker 11: because they have a plenty more food to eat.
Speaker 2: But isn't it also true that the warming that has
Speaker 2: been occurring, say during the last two hundred years or whatever,
Speaker 2: has been very gradual and not drastic. Some of their
Speaker 2: computer modeling, and I say there, I'm talking about the
Speaker 2: other side of this issue, has told them that we'd
Speaker 2: have a three point five person I don't know, I
Speaker 2: don't know the exact numbers on it, but they projected
Speaker 2: the temperatures to be warming much more than they have been,
Speaker 2: and their predictions have always been wrong because they're based
Speaker 2: on bad computer modeling.
Speaker 3: What have you guys found for your own.
Speaker 11: Data, Well, we've found the very same thing. That the
Speaker 11: computer models overwhelmingly do not correctly describe past changes in
Speaker 11: global temperature, and nor do they predict future changes in
Speaker 11: global temperature accurately at all. And a big part of
Speaker 11: the reason for this is because these models they assume that,
Speaker 11: in addition to carbon dioxide warming the planet, they assume
Speaker 11: that water in the atmosphere significantly enhances the warming from
Speaker 11: CO two in the atmosphere. And when we compare that
Speaker 11: assumption and the predictions of these models to data from
Speaker 11: satellite measurements of the temperature of the lower atmosphere, from
Speaker 11: weather balloon measurements is the temperature of the lower atmosphere,
Speaker 11: and other data sets, we find that the actual rate
Speaker 11: of warming is much slower than what these models predict.
Speaker 6: And these models, also, by.
Speaker 11: The way, don't even accurately model or account for the
Speaker 11: influence of internal variations of the climate, like due to
Speaker 11: ocean cycles that I mentioned earlier, nor nor.
Speaker 6: The influence of water in the atmosphere.
Speaker 11: So these models are essentially scientifically, I would say, useless
Speaker 11: for the purpose of explaining temperature changes globally or even
Speaker 11: predicting temperature changes globally.
Speaker 6: Well, exactly how science should be done.
Speaker 2: No, there's a difference between science and actual facts that
Speaker 2: you can document and predictions that aren't based in science.
Speaker 2: And it doesn't relate to your work, the CO two coalition.
Speaker 2: But it's the same thing. I remember post COVID what
Speaker 2: Fauci said. He said about the about the six foot rule. Well,
Speaker 2: you know, after they were preaching it was science. It
Speaker 2: was science. You had to have six feet of separation
Speaker 2: to stay safe from the virus. When they said, Brian,
Speaker 2: he said later, that's just something we kind of decided on.
Speaker 2: We just kind of made it up and put it
Speaker 2: out there as science. It's the same thing in many
Speaker 2: cases with these climate mafia people, is it not.
Speaker 6: It's exactly the same thing.
Speaker 11: For example, this IPCCUN proclamation that we have to avoid
Speaker 11: one more degree celsius of warming or two more degrees
Speaker 11: celsius of warming otherwise something catastrophically bad will happen to
Speaker 11: the human race. That's completely made up. In the same
Speaker 11: way that the Fauci six foot separation thing is it
Speaker 11: has no scientific basis whatsoever, and yet it's a complete
Speaker 11: application for political purposes to scare the public into accepting
Speaker 11: all of these drastic totalitarian controls on our economies, on
Speaker 11: our lives, and so on.
Speaker 2: Well, there's someone who's been involved with science all their lives,
Speaker 2: which I'm assuming you have, you know that science is
Speaker 2: not consensus, like we talked about earlier. And you also
Speaker 2: know that whoever's paying for the study will get the
Speaker 2: results that they want with sometimes very shoddy information and
Speaker 2: data to back it up.
Speaker 6: Right, That's exactly right.
Speaker 11: And in the case of climate science, it became heavily
Speaker 11: politicized in the nineteen eighties by Al Gore, the Democrats
Speaker 11: and activists. Climate scientists like James Hansen and even Carl
Speaker 11: Sagan is guilty of contributing to this, and ever since
Speaker 11: it became politicized government funding for climate science research as
Speaker 11: long as it promotes the narrative that man made CO
Speaker 11: two emissions are causing catastrophic global warming. As long as
Speaker 11: the research supports that narrative, they get tons of funding,
Speaker 11: millions and millions of dollars in government funding. So when
Speaker 11: you have a politicized science like this. Of course, much
Speaker 11: of the science is going to say a lot of
Speaker 11: this propaganda, and it's not going to be about searching
Speaker 11: for the truth. It's going to be about saying what
Speaker 11: the ex saying the narrative that is going to lead
Speaker 11: to more funding and the thay, that's what we've been
Speaker 11: seeing for the last forty something years.
Speaker 2: Sure, it's all about the Benny's all about the Benjamins.
Speaker 2: And well, I really appreciate your time. Again, if people
Speaker 2: want to find out more, You've got several great learning
Speaker 2: resources I know at the CO two Coalition. Tell folks
Speaker 2: where they might find out more information in your latest
Speaker 2: data and finding because science is changing all the time
Speaker 2: and we discover new things almost every day. To say
Speaker 2: something is set the science is set is a misnomer
Speaker 2: as well. So if you would please, mister Derek Shannie,
Speaker 2: give us a give us a hint on where we
Speaker 2: can find out more.
Speaker 11: I would encourage everyone to visit our website CO two
Speaker 11: Coalition dot org so COO number two Coalition all one
Speaker 11: word dot org, and there you can find information about
Speaker 11: our organization, information about myself, information about the founders, the
Speaker 11: Board of directors and also all of our scientific and
Speaker 11: non scientific publications.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
Speaker 6: Of course, welcome feedback from your audience.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, and I encourage everyone to go.
Speaker 2: It's a wonderful website and there's so much real information there. Man, Alie, Derek, Shaanne,
Speaker 2: thank you so much. And I hope it didn't mangle
Speaker 2: your name to.
Speaker 6: Ben, not at all. Thank you.
Speaker 3: It was my pleasure, all right, sir. Take care.
Speaker 2: It is a nightcap and we will finish off with
Speaker 2: the with the wild Man coming up in just a
Speaker 2: few minutes. Hang on, and I think we're about ready
Speaker 2: to light the candle and I'll let him blow. It's
Speaker 2: it's time to finish this nightcap with the wild Man.
Speaker 2: Wild Man, Walker is back for another bite at the
Speaker 2: apple if he's done chewing his bacon.
Speaker 3: Wild Man, what's going on?
Speaker 12: Man, I'm just chilling.
Speaker 9: Man.
Speaker 12: You know, I'm happy about the UC Bearcats. I'm happy
Speaker 12: about the Bengals. With that big win over the Steelers,
Speaker 12: all is good.
Speaker 2: So I mean, yeah that let's let's dissect that big
Speaker 2: win over the Steelers. Now five days, hence we've had
Speaker 2: plenty of time to hear all the other pundits talk
Speaker 2: about what went on or what didn't go on in
Speaker 2: the game and how Joe Flacca is now going to
Speaker 2: lead the Bengals to the Super Bowl. I've heard enough
Speaker 2: of that nonsense. But what what happened right? And what
Speaker 2: are the Bengals still need to work on?
Speaker 3: Wild Man?
Speaker 12: What happened right? They were able to run the ball,
Speaker 12: you know, and anybody knows anything about football, it's elementary.
Speaker 12: Do you run the football sets up the past. The
Speaker 12: offensive line has done a good job in the last
Speaker 12: two games opening up holes for Chase Brown, so that's
Speaker 12: a good thing. They had a record day. I mean,
Speaker 12: they were like dead last in the NFL and rushing.
Speaker 6: But I believe they had over one.
Speaker 12: Hundred plus yards in that game. And then also protected
Speaker 12: Joe Flacco, who gets the ball out quick. And hey,
Speaker 12: when you got a guy like Jamar Chase and you
Speaker 12: got a guy like t Higgins, get th ou of
Speaker 12: those guys and they can't cover both of them, you know,
Speaker 12: at the same time they try.
Speaker 3: That's why you have.
Speaker 12: Jose of this, and you got a fans you to
Speaker 12: throw those guys, and then Joe Flacco was smart enough
Speaker 12: to do that, and you just mentioned about Joe Flacco
Speaker 12: leading the Bengals to the Super Bowl, and I've read
Speaker 12: a bunch of nonsense to a Joe and you still
Speaker 12: got the talking heads and they have no idea what
Speaker 12: a turftow injury is about. Joe Burrow could be back
Speaker 12: in the summer. Joe Burrow is not going to take
Speaker 12: one snap of the rest of the way. It's not
Speaker 12: going to happen. It's not going to happen. That injury
Speaker 12: is too severe. That's why Dion Sanders had to retire.
Speaker 12: But let's say Joe Flacco gets us to the playoffs.
Speaker 12: You ride Joe Flacco. Go back and look at the
Speaker 12: history of Earl Morrile, who led the Baltimore Coltch to
Speaker 12: the NFL championship before they played the Jets.
Speaker 5: He replaced Johnny.
Speaker 12: Unitas and he also did the same thing in Miami
Speaker 12: in seventy two, replacing Bob Greasy and getting into the playoffs,
Speaker 12: and then he put Greasey.
Speaker 6: In, who was healthy.
Speaker 12: I mean, Johnny U was pretty much a shell of themself.
Speaker 12: So Joe Flacco is more than capable, but it takes
Speaker 12: a whole team to do it, you know, do what
Speaker 12: we hope they can do. Now, what's the band side.
Speaker 12: Ben will still have a hard problem tackling and also
Speaker 12: stopping to run. I mean they still have a hard
Speaker 12: time stopping the run. And there's some of their tackling
Speaker 12: is like, oh my god. Do they teach these guys
Speaker 12: how to tackle in high school? Do they teach him
Speaker 12: at Pop Warner? I mean, they get to the NFL,
Speaker 12: you should learn how to tackle. I'll go back to
Speaker 12: the old thing that Pete Rose used to say. If
Speaker 12: I have to teach you how to bunt, then you
Speaker 12: don't belong in the major leagues. And that's the why
Speaker 12: I look at it this way. You should know how
Speaker 12: to tackle.
Speaker 2: I agree, you know, And that is one of the
Speaker 2: most frustrating things about watching the Cincinnati Bengals over the
Speaker 2: last well gosh, as long as I can remember, they've
Speaker 2: had a hard problem getting guys who can wrap a
Speaker 2: guy up and bring him down. And there are a
Speaker 2: lot of powerful backs that the Bengals have played and
Speaker 2: will play the rest of the season. You mentioned the
Speaker 2: running game last Thursday night. The Bengals went from two
Speaker 2: point seven yards to carry I think to six point
Speaker 2: one in that game, which enabled Joe Flacco to do
Speaker 2: those chunk play passes and Lamar Chase, I mean, Jamar
Speaker 2: Chase look had broke a Bengals record sixteen receptions. No
Speaker 2: Bengals receiver has ever had sixteen receptions in a game.
Speaker 12: And I run, I run out of words, Gary Jeff
Speaker 12: for Jamar Chase. How great that guy is? I mean
Speaker 12: we may be looking, but the greatest Bengal ever. I mean,
Speaker 12: there's an argument there down the road here and there,
Speaker 12: but right now, Jamar Chase, it's unreal the stuff that
Speaker 12: he can do. And you know, not only does he
Speaker 12: catch the passes, but he breaks the tackles. And once
Speaker 12: he breaks that tackle, if you don't get him down
Speaker 12: the first time, he's gone.
Speaker 2: And plus because he is so good and directs so
Speaker 2: much that the other team's focus on him, it opens up.
Speaker 3: The drawer for t Higgins.
Speaker 2: T Higgins and Josevac and Fant and anybody else who's
Speaker 2: you know, able to catch a ball. For the Bengals
Speaker 2: that you know what, they have lots of room to
Speaker 2: move if everybody is going to focus on Number one
Speaker 2: the whole game.
Speaker 12: Now, I'll be honest with you. I'll be honest with
Speaker 12: you. You know that man went back and forth, and it
Speaker 12: was it was really a game the ages, I mean
Speaker 12: people people that went to the game, after people.
Speaker 6: It was.
Speaker 12: It was when money Back went to kick the field goal.
Speaker 3: I really didn't want to.
Speaker 12: Watch because I remember last year he missed a couple
Speaker 12: of them and it cost us the game. But he
Speaker 12: was so far this year he's really been, he's been.
Speaker 3: He's been back a wild man.
Speaker 2: It was one of those moments where you see the
Speaker 2: guy with a hand over his face and he just
Speaker 2: opens up his fingers a little bit so I can
Speaker 2: peek out of one eye to say God please, you know.
Speaker 12: And then of course, and then Rogers at the end,
Speaker 12: because knowing has reputation, you know in Hail Mary games.
Speaker 12: He gets enough time to flink in seventy yards and
Speaker 12: the ball's sailing and you're thinking, oh no, and our
Speaker 12: guys are smart enough. I think it was Jordan that
Speaker 12: got him and knock the ball down. Don't try to
Speaker 12: catch it, knock it down.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: I mean it was a storybook kind of ending, and
Speaker 2: the wide out at Bay Corps and the whole thing
Speaker 2: very very raucous. The crowd was into it. I'm at home,
Speaker 2: I'm into it. Uh And Obviously the Bengals were into
Speaker 2: it enough to beat a division rival. You know what
Speaker 2: they haven't They haven't lost a game in the Division
Speaker 2: two and oh in the Vision. Now they got the
Speaker 2: Jets coming to town and they absolutely stink oh and seven.
Speaker 2: I don't know how long they'll stay with their head
Speaker 2: coach there. You can't look past the Jets because you
Speaker 2: know the old saying on any given Sunday. But the
Speaker 2: Bengals are going to be well rested, and now they're
Speaker 2: going to stick it to the Jets.
Speaker 12: And then you bring the Bears in here. The Bears
Speaker 12: are not too bad and they can beat the Bears.
Speaker 12: They go into the bye week with a three game
Speaker 12: winning streak and I a lot of people will be
Speaker 12: really happy around here.
Speaker 3: So do Thursday game turn you around on the Bengals season?
Speaker 12: No, not yet, No, no, because there's still there's still
Speaker 12: some there's still some problems there, consistency, especially, you know,
Speaker 12: I want to see the old line just continue to
Speaker 12: do what they did, whatever they've done to correct things, Uh,
Speaker 12: continue to go. They put a new player in there,
Speaker 12: and you know you mentioned about tax and they took
Speaker 12: Brett out of there, out of the lineup. And set
Speaker 12: him on the bench because this tackle, he couldn't tackle me.
Speaker 3: Well, you're a lot slower than you used to be,
Speaker 3: wild Man.
Speaker 12: But still he still can't tackle me. He's terrible at tackling, terrible.
Speaker 12: And I was I wasn't surprised that Taylor Bread was
Speaker 12: on the sidelines.
Speaker 2: It's hard to get your hands around the wild Man
Speaker 2: and his scooter. You got to give him that. That's right,
Speaker 2: that's right, all right. So that being said, you have
Speaker 2: these two games you talked about. The Bengals are at home,
Speaker 2: they're playing the Jets, They're playing the Bears, and if
Speaker 2: they won both, if they won both games, they're above
Speaker 2: five hundred. Now when a lot of people like me
Speaker 2: gave up on the season completely.
Speaker 12: Because yes, five and four and going into the bye week,
Speaker 12: and then the next game after that is the uh
Speaker 12: is that Pittsburgh And the game after that is back
Speaker 12: home against New England and who are who are very
Speaker 12: good team with a coach that knows how to do things.
Speaker 12: But let's not put the car before the horse. Let's
Speaker 12: win this game on Sunday. There's no doubt, there is
Speaker 12: no doubt in my mind, the Bengals will beat the chests,
Speaker 12: whether they cover, who knows. I don't bet the Bengals.
Speaker 12: I refuse to bet the Bengals because when I do,
Speaker 12: I get burned every time. But the Bengals will beat
Speaker 12: the Chats on Sunday.
Speaker 2: Do you think do you think that the coach of
Speaker 2: the Dolphins will still be with Miami when they face
Speaker 2: the Bengals later this season?
Speaker 12: Daniel, Yeah, that's the four hundred and fifty thousand dollars question.
Speaker 12: That guy looks like a homeless guy the way he dresses.
Speaker 12: People talk about me and me my T shirt and shorts.
Speaker 6: That guy, you don't have them go coaching.
Speaker 12: He looks like he's homeless.
Speaker 2: I mean, Belichick used to wear the hoodie and won
Speaker 2: Super Bowls, So you can't really base yourself on how
Speaker 2: the coach dresses. But and that's the other problem the
Speaker 2: Bengals have. Zach Taylor is still the head coach, so
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 12: Well, and the game said, Zach Taylor just needs you know,
Speaker 12: just don't try to get cute. Just continue to coach
Speaker 12: way he's been coaching. And don't try to get too cute,
Speaker 12: because I mean to start getting r too cute, get
Speaker 12: too cute, you end up losing, just you know, just
Speaker 12: go with what's getting you there, don't you know, don't deviate,
Speaker 12: don't change horses in midstream. You've heard that line before
Speaker 12: and that you know and that that applies to a
Speaker 12: lot of things in life. But you know, to stay
Speaker 12: with what you got, man, you know, stay with what
Speaker 12: you got.
Speaker 2: What you got there is Showy O Tani, the new
Speaker 2: Reggie Jackson, the new mister October wild Man.
Speaker 12: Oh well, Shoe Atani is you know, is in a
Speaker 12: world of his own. But I'm really heat right now.
Speaker 12: I don't know if he's the best player in baseball
Speaker 12: because he doesn't play a position. Okay, he's a designated
Speaker 12: hitter and he's a picture now and man, he doesn't
Speaker 12: play a position. And I've heard people say, well, he's
Speaker 12: the greatest player ever when he when he retires with
Speaker 12: a lifetime battan average above three forty two, the you
Speaker 12: come call me, okay, because that's Babe Bruce lifetime battan
Speaker 12: average three forty two, seven hundred and fourteen home runs,
Speaker 12: fifteen World Series home runs. I mean, guys, save the game.
Speaker 5: There.
Speaker 12: You know, there's an old black Sparky Anderson. And to
Speaker 12: ask me about Thurmont Months and a Johnny Bench. He said,
Speaker 12: don't embarrassed, sermon monson trying to compare him to Johnny Bench.
Speaker 12: And this is the same thing, to embarrass uh Shoani
Speaker 12: trying to compare him to Babe Us is the police,
Speaker 12: the police wild man.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing that I've always thought, and it drives
Speaker 2: me nuts every every time somebody puts these superlatives on players,
Speaker 2: any player from any era, they're the best ever there.
Speaker 2: The goat is that in every era the game is
Speaker 2: is different. It's it's it's similar, but it's different. There
Speaker 2: are different challenges, there are different factors that go into
Speaker 2: determining who's who's really good.
Speaker 3: At any one given time.
Speaker 2: I mean, did you ever imagine that the major league average,
Speaker 2: major league batting average would be accepted at like two
Speaker 2: four and.
Speaker 12: That's I think it's more like two sixty. But still
Speaker 12: that's pathetic, I know, I know.
Speaker 2: So you know, it's like the comparisons with Lebron James
Speaker 2: and Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan is still the goat. He's
Speaker 2: still the greatest of all time. You and I were
Speaker 2: talking about this, uh before tonight, and here's the thing.
Speaker 2: This is a it's nothing to diminish Lebron James. You know,
Speaker 2: he'd be he'd be a good sixth or seventh man
Speaker 2: on my my team of all time NBA Greats. But
Speaker 2: he's not going to surpass Michael. He's not going to
Speaker 2: surpass Mike, Magic Johnson or Larry Bird. You know, there's
Speaker 2: Kobe Bryant, There's Shack I mean, Will Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul Jabbar,
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, yeah, Oscar Robertson. Lebron James is
Speaker 2: Jarry West. Lebron James is this generation's goat, but he's
Speaker 2: not the He's not the greatest of all time. And
Speaker 2: the reason, the reason that Michael Jordan will always be
Speaker 2: better than Lebron James in my mind, is because he
Speaker 2: truly made the players around him better better every single
Speaker 2: from Scottie Pippen to Dennis Rodman.
Speaker 3: To think, think yeah, think about this, Think about the centers.
Speaker 2: Think about the centers that Michael Jordan won NBA Championships.
Speaker 5: Win.
Speaker 2: Bill Cartwright was playing on one knee and it was Arthritick.
Speaker 2: Will Purdue couldn't walk and Chew Gum as a sophomore
Speaker 2: at Vanderbilt became uh a seven time NBA championship winner
Speaker 2: because he or or five times. He won with the
Speaker 2: Spurs too. But he had a great cast there. But
Speaker 2: but Michael Jordan made every player around him better, And
Speaker 2: I can't say that about Lebron James on select teams
Speaker 2: that Lebron was on.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 12: Who's your all time who's your all time starting five
Speaker 12: in the NBA? Do you have an all time starting five?
Speaker 2: Two MJ's Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, I've got maybe it's
Speaker 2: a toss up between Wilt and Kareem at center. It
Speaker 2: just is I got Shaq coming off the bench at
Speaker 2: the at the center position. And I'm I might have
Speaker 2: Lebron in the lineup to start, but he might be
Speaker 2: coming off the bench. Kobe Bryant definitely, uh and uh
Speaker 2: Oscar Robertson you've got to put maybe you put Oscar
Speaker 2: in as the coach.
Speaker 12: Well, you got your two bars and you got your center.
Speaker 12: Who's your two forwards?
Speaker 3: It's an excellent question. I'm talking about Larry Bird.
Speaker 12: I think Burt's gotta be in there, no doubt.
Speaker 2: You know, and and maybe I don't know, maybe Carl
Speaker 2: Malone and and not not Jimmy Kimmel dressed up as
Speaker 2: Curl Malone, the actual, the actual Caarl Malone. All right,
Speaker 2: real quick, I want to get in my plugs for
Speaker 2: my teams. Wild Man, my banner, my Bannerbilt Commodore six
Speaker 2: and one, Diego Pavia is a dark horse Heisman candidate
Speaker 2: and should be the UC bear catser six and one
Speaker 2: in the Scott Centerfield era, and they're contending for a
Speaker 2: chance now to be mentioned with all the other teams
Speaker 2: in the Power conferences who have a shot at the playoffs.
Speaker 3: What do you think?
Speaker 12: Well, do you see is now ranked twenty one in
Speaker 12: the AP pole.
Speaker 6: Like you said, there's six and one.
Speaker 12: They won six straight games. Had they played Nebraska here
Speaker 12: they'd be seven andero. But that was that was a
Speaker 12: money grab. And they are Bowl eligible and here come
Speaker 12: the Baylor Bears this Saturday homecoming. The Bearcats will be
Speaker 12: waiting for him and they should be a seven in
Speaker 12: one right now. Everything is looking great for the Scott
Speaker 12: Saderfield those situation because a lot of people were down
Speaker 12: on him, and I I met, I was one of
Speaker 12: the guys kind of down on him. But he's got
Speaker 12: he's got the players. Now, he's got some really good
Speaker 12: players in that team, and Brandon Staresby has really been
Speaker 12: playing lights out at quarterback and says where it starts,
Speaker 12: no doubt, Well, in that game, how about in that
Speaker 12: game that one hundred yard intercepts a school record?
Speaker 6: Have you on that?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, I was watching. I saw it.
Speaker 2: I saw it, And you need to watch my Vanderbilt
Speaker 2: commodoors because they're gonna just make you see diego pobbya
Speaker 2: play wild Man in your eyes. You're gonna bug right
Speaker 2: out of your head because the guy's phenomenal.
Speaker 3: He's a game.
Speaker 12: He gave your friend and mine, Brian Kelly, a case
Speaker 12: of the goo because they just beating that last too.
Speaker 3: I know I loved every second of it. Watched it
Speaker 3: at the bar, of course.
Speaker 12: Ohio State Paul ver rise wiscon saying Luke Fickle a
Speaker 12: case of the goo.
Speaker 6: And Luke Fickle, I.
Speaker 12: Know he's on that, he's on the h he's on
Speaker 12: and I he really is up there. I know the
Speaker 12: fans have really soured on him, and you know whatever, Well,
Speaker 12: he made his bet and took his money and ran.
Speaker 12: I mean, Florida fired their coach. Colorado State fired their coach.
Speaker 6: A couple of days.
Speaker 12: Yesterday, I mean I Dart for getting rid of coaches
Speaker 12: left and right.
Speaker 3: Wild Man.
Speaker 2: In the words of Ario Speedwagon, it's time for me
Speaker 2: to fly. Thanks for being a part of the show tonight.
Speaker 12: I loved Rio Speedwag and interviewed Kevin cronin many years ago,
Speaker 12: Big friendly man, he was
Speaker 2: All right the wild on the nightcap on seven hundred
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