WEBVTT - The Night Cap with Gary Jeff Walker -- 10/20/25 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:05.600 Good evening and welcome to the nightcat on seven hundred 0:00:05.720 --> 0:00:08.639 w l W Gary Jeff Walker on this Monday night, 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:11.520 sitting down check it in a ride I hope you 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:13.960 will take with us right up till midnight tonight. 0:00:15.040 --> 0:00:22.400 Fantastic weekend for me. I mean, for one, while blue 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:25.600 Hairs were marching all over the country to supplement their 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:29.240 Social Security checks by getting paid by the Soros family 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:31.920 to participate in the No Kings marches around the country, 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:35.559 I was having the No Commies sit in at huddles 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:37.720 and we had a bunch of people with their MAGA 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:40.040 hats on and Trump shirts. I had my Gulf of 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:45.000 America shirt. It was really, really fantastic, and nobody was 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:47.960 paid to be In fact, they paid to be there 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:52.120 by buying drinks. Hello to Jack and Dana from New Richmond, 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:57.279 Al from Cleaves and the scores of others who joined us. 0:00:57.360 --> 0:01:01.800 On Saturday afternoon, while people were standing up being an 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:06.400 annoyance to everyone in blocking traffic and all the rest 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:09.520 of the things that the No Kings crowd does, we 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:14.399 were having a good time watching football and man, what 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:17.399 a great football Saturday it was. What a great football 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:22.240 weekend it was for me? Anyway, my Vandy Commodores advanced 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:28.240 to six and one, just like the UC Bearcats advancing 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:31.360 to six and one on this college football season, and 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:34.560 there are hints and rumors and allegations of possibly playoff 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:38.800 action playoffs for both those teams, which I root for, 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:43.760 the Bearcats and the Commodoores. And then yesterday in the NFL, 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:49.280 my Kansas City Chiefs took down the Lowly Raiders thirty 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:52.320 one to nothing, the first time that Andy Reid has 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:55.800 pitched a shutout as a coach in the NFL. During 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:59.920 the regular season. Patrick Mahomes, my mahomie was on full display. 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:03.240 We'll talk about all that little later on with the 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:08.760 wild Man Dennis Wildman Walker. Also on tonight's show, Jeff 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:13.919 Dornick from a company called Pickaxe. It's a social media company, 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:16.600 and we're going to be talking about the dangers, the 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:22.480 real threats posed to all of us by AI and 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:26.920 what Bill Gates and Elon musk Haven plan for the 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:30.960 planet and it doesn't include a lot of us as 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:36.080 human beings. John Lott from the Crime Prevention Research Center 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:39.640 in Washington, d C. With the latest data on what's 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:43.760 going on around the country, no matter whether you're listening 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:47.720 to Democrats or Republicans or President Trump. They've got the 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:52.640 actual numbers on crime and what's working and what's not. 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:58.519 At twelve thirty, Peter Lumage, who is a first generation 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:05.320 American from Albania, a country of communism, and we'll be 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:10.919 exploring why communism, i e. Socialism never works. It didn't 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:14.240 in his home country and it won't hear in America. 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:20.799 Manelli Derek Shaani and I've been taking pronunciation lessons all 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:23.440 day long trying to learn this name. He is a 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:26.920 senior science advisor at the CO two Coalition in Washington, 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:31.160 d C. With again, actual numbers and data when it 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:34.040 comes to the climate and what you ought to know. 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:39.720 And of course, in just a few moments, we will 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:45.560 have for you. Megan Thompson. Who is Megan Thompson. She's 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:49.960 the CEO of a group called Dress for Success, a 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:56.640 nonprofit here locally, and when I met her last week, 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:59.080 she actually was a custer of mine, a customer of 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:01.560 mine at the bar. When I met her, I thought, 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:06.400 what a classy lady. Number one and number two. I 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:10.560 love the idea of trying to help women get back 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:14.520 on their feet after any situation. Human trafficking, or from 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:18.640 bad economic past or whatever, get back up on their 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:25.760 feet and become an active participant in a great capitalist 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:29.240 free market that is the United States of America. We'll 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:32.480 talk to Megan Thompson in just a moment as we 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:36.920 continue on this Monday night cap on seven hundred WLW. 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:39.680 As I mentioned at the top of the show, our 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:41.760 first guest tonight is something that. 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:43.400 Happened truly by accident. 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:47.960 I was doing my day job, my side hustle bartending 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:54.320 last week and incomes one of the most elegant people 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:59.520 I've ever had inside that bar, for sure, a stunning 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:03.440 who I wound up having a conversation with and found 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:07.080 her to be even more charming as the conversation continued. 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:09.840 She was there as a customer as I was d 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:16.320 slinging drinks for Hillbillies and others, and she decided on 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:18.720 something she was in between going to a meeting, wanted 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:21.320 to have a little beverage. There's nothing wrong with that, 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:25.360 and she gave me your card and I asked what 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:29.559 she did, and she said, I'm the CEO of Dress 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:32.960 for Success, the president and CEO. I said, I've heard 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:38.360 of that, So Dress for Success Cincinnati's president and CEO 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:42.719 of that organization, which I think is a fantastic nonprofit, 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:46.480 is with us to start to show tonight. Megan Thompson, 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:50.240 Hello and welcome to the nightcap on seven hundred WLW. 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:50.719 How are you. 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:54.480 I am doing wonderful and thank you so much for 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:57.240 having me and for that lovely introduction. I'm over here 0:05:57.240 --> 0:05:58.240 blessing out myself. 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:02.760 Well, I mean, but you you said, I don't know 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:03.680 what's dressed like this. 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:07.320 I just came from a photo shoot. But I'd tell 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:07.599 you what. 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:10.760 You made an impression on everybody that was in the bar, 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:14.880 including me, and then we started talking, and that was 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:18.200 only enhanced. The impression was only enhanced by our conversation. 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:24.000 So explain to me real quickly what Dress for Success 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:27.480 Cincinnati does and how you got started doing it. 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:33.840 Absolutely so, Dress for Success Cincinnati is a nonprofit organization 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:39.720 that focuses on helping women reach financial self sufficiency and 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:44.039 we do that by providing professional attire in a network 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:47.960 of support. So what that looks like simply is any woman, 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:51.600 it does not matter what her zip code is, what 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:55.680 her age is, her race, any of that stuff, It 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:58.560 does not matter. She comes through our doors and she 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:01.039 can sign up for any of us our services. The 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:05.360 unique thing about us is there's no actual starting point, 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:07.599 and that if a woman wants to come and start 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:11.720 in our styling services where she receives professional attire, we 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:14.320 start with her there. If she wants to start in 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:18.520 our career center, where we're offering that further network of 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:22.920 support in terms of one on one coaching, job placement, 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:27.960 career search, resume building, mock interviews, then she can start there. 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:30.720 She can do all things at once, she can come once. 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:34.520 We're extremely flexible because we're all about meeting women where 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:36.440 they are, you know, and. 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:40.200 Not just for women's sake, Megan, but there are many 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:47.760 especially gen z right now, who have no idea how 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:53.000 to introduce themselves to the world of twenty twenty five 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:57.640 in business, have no ideas. Many many times they just 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:01.680 weren't equipped or educated in this social skills or the 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:05.800 things that it takes to actually succeed, which obviously you 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:09.040 had a pass for you knew and how did you 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:13.880 come to be a part of this and what's your background? 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:14.120 Like? 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:18.160 Oh, thank you so much for asking, because you're exactly 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:22.720 right in today's society, especially here in Cincinnati and the 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:28.360 Greater Cincinnati area. Everything is about relationships. And we've heard 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:31.000 it for years. It's not about what you know, it's 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:33.760 who you know. And then for a while we said, no, 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:36.080 you have to know what you know. And I think 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:38.360 it's starting to trend back to the who you know. 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:41.920 And the reason this is so important to your point 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:45.680 is that when you meet someone new, and obviously I 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:48.679 don't meet a stranger, and when you meet someone new, 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:52.160 how do you make that lasting impression to build connections? 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:55.520 So two people walk into a bar, in this case, 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:57.920 one person walks into a bar, and now here we are. 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:04.480 It's so important that when we are talking with people, 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:09.720 we know how to one hold a conversation, how to listen, 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:14.600 and how to respond. And I have seen these things 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:18.800 make or break some people on job interviews. And I 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:22.040 came up from I'm the daughter of an immigrant mother, 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:25.720 proudly first gen American on her side. She came to 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:29.439 this country from Costa Rica when she was in her 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:34.120 college years, attended college here, married my father, who is 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:38.959 a Southern man, and so I was raised with no excuses, 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:44.680 you know, lend respect and shake people's hands. I'm a millennial. 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:47.640 When I used to call my friend's house, I would say, hi, 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:50.120 mister or missus so, and so, how's your day going. 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:53.679 That's excellent, it's Maddie home. And you have to learn 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:56.960 how to have these conversations, and those tools are missing 0:09:57.000 --> 0:09:59.080 and absence from our society. 0:09:59.160 --> 0:09:59.439 Now. 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:01.640 Then you asked a little bit about my path I 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:05.360 actually started my career. I have my master's degree in 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:08.680 public administration as well as the master of American Government. 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:11.439 And as you can tell from me talking, I've always 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:14.280 wanted to be in a role that allows me to 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:17.760 use my voice, and so I wanted to go into law. 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:22.120 WHOA Megan twenty two thousand and eight. 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:24.960 Yes, you dropped out just for a moment. You said 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:26.280 you graduated where. 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:31.520 I graduated in two thousand and eight, right during the recession, 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:35.360 from Elon University, and so I felt my options were 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:40.520 extremely limited, and I went into banking. And my entire 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:43.160 career I've been in banking, but always in spaces where 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:46.080 I can use my voice and speak to others, and 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:49.360 I learned through that being able to connect with people 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:53.560 from all different backgrounds people. Most recently I was in 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:56.080 wealth management and that's where I came to Dress for 0:10:56.160 --> 0:11:00.200 Success Cincinnati from and you realize that people acqui or 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:03.040 wealth from all different ways, and people lose wealth in 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:05.160 all different ways. And so again here at Dress for 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:10.560 Success Cincinnati, we want to help women find economic self sufficiency. 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:13.520 And one of the ways to do that is ensuring 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:17.040 you are confident and competent with who you are and 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:19.400 you're able to present that to others. So that's what 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:20.480 we're really doing here. 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:24.960 That's a wonderful, wonderful concept. 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:28.520 And I just I love the fact that you are 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:36.200 actually making significant positive changes in these women's lives. You 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:41.280 know what, you came up during the recession and times 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:43.319 were kind of dicey in two thousand and eight, as 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:45.720 we all remember, But you know what, we just got 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:49.840 through with this COVID period where there was total isolation, 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:52.240 and there are a lot of people that may come 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:55.800 to you who don't even know how to look someone 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:59.719 in the eye when they're addressing them, and because of 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:04.800 the socialization isolation and the fact that their whole lives 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:08.920 were all of a sudden put on hold online and 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:11.240 there was no person to person interaction. 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:13.600 Is that part of what you're trying to do with 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:14.480 these folks, do. 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:16.600 Yes? 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:20.240 And it's not just that a lot of the women 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:23.800 that we're working with. Look eighty nine percent of the 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:27.360 women that we serve our women who are below the 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:32.280 poverty line. In addition to that, women we serve comes 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:35.840 from all different referral sources. They can, like I mentioned 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:38.400 at the top of the hour, women can come into 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:42.600 our center just from word of mouth or because they 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:46.480 know someone. But we also receive referrals from places like 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:50.960 her Cincinnati or River City Correctional And so we have 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:56.239 women who are overcoming unimaginable circumstances from being sex trafficked, 0:12:56.600 --> 0:13:01.079 to being abused, being in relationship ships that have not 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:04.280 been the best, or been in really terrible situations. Maybe 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:08.640 they're overcoming incarceration, and they come here not just because 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:12.840 we provide a place of hope and accountability and resources, 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:16.760 but also we help for store dignity. You mentioned not 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:20.000 even knowing how to look someone in the eye. Sometimes 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:23.080 the women we serve don't believe that they're worth looking 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:28.040 someone in the eye, or that they're valuable enough for. 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:28.160 Them to be seen. 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:33.040 And so reshifting that mindset to help women know that 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:36.920 they matter and they're worth in investing in. And we 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:42.160 know studies and statistics show that when women are successful, 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:47.640 communities are successful, children are successful, there's less crime rates. 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:50.760 And so we know crime, for example, in Cincinnati, has 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:55.280 been an explosion when we invest back into women. We 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:59.000 know that all of these things have a benefit just 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:03.040 by connection. So children are being educated better because moms 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:05.720 can stay home and help them and pick them up 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:09.760 after school, and they have safer environments, and they have 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:14.200 healthier meals which leads to better behavior outcomes and more 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:18.080 food security, which means that there's less crime in our streets. 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:19.920 And all of these things are related. 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:24.400 Have you got connections I'm certain you do with the 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:28.800 business community here and helping placement for these women after 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:31.560 they've gone through your programs. 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:36.359 So that's another wonderful thing about the city of Cincinnati 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:40.280 and also Northern Kentucky. When I met you, I was 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:44.320 coming from an event with the Cincinnati Regional Chamber, and 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:49.120 that is one organization that offers plenty of events for 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:52.280 people to get connected and build their skill set and 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:55.840 business acumen. But it's also a great place to meet 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:59.920 other nonprofits and business owners, as is the Northern Kentucky Chamber. 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:03.560 There's business owners from the Northern Kentucky Chamber who have 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:07.480 donated their services to Dress for Success Cincinnati to help 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:11.280 women get headshots to ensure that they're being styled in 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:14.680 a way that matches their body type, and even what's 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:18.240 called color matching. So are the colors you where? Do 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:22.080 they actually reflect well on your skin tone and help 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:24.600 you to be welcomed well into a room. There's a 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:29.200 crazy science behind it. And even connecting again with places 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:34.880 like Bethany House, her Cincinnati shelter House. There's the Life 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:40.840 Learning Center we are over at. We have two satellite locations, 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:44.840 one in Loveland and one in Covington, and the care 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:47.880 Center is in Loveland and the Life Learning Center in Covington. 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:51.400 And these are opportunities for us again partner with other 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:57.480 organizations and utilize our resources to not compete in trying 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:00.560 to serve the same population with the same thing over 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:03.760 and over. But how can we really create a continuum 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.440 of care so when women leave us, they know the 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:08.840 next step and they know they're going to be handled 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:10.240 well there and vice versa. 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:14.880 Well, Megan Thompson, A pleasure to meet you originally a 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:18.480 pleasure to talk to you tonight and let everybody know 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:20.400 if they want to find out more about Dress for 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:24.760 success Cincinnati. They can go to the website dfs Sincy. 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:30.960 That's dfs CI Ncy dot org. And if you know 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:35.080 any ladies that are trying to get a foothold on 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:39.760 life and improve their lot and uh be a part, 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:46.120 a productive part of society and be successful, maybe this 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:48.720 is a direction you should send him in d fs 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:54.560 CI Ncy dot org. Again is the website, and Megan, 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:56.680 thank you so much. Hope to see at the bar 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:57.560 again sometime. 0:16:59.040 --> 0:16:59.920 Thank you our plan. 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:01.560 It's a pleasure, all right. 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:04.119 I'll make sure that I have vermouth and olives. I 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:09.040 promise I appreciate it, no doubt about it. 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:14.480 Jeff Dornick from Pickaxe, a social media server you may 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:17.639 not have heard of, but you may be hearing a 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:20.639 lot about here in the next coming months. Will be 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:24.480 up right after News, which is next on seven hundred WLW. 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:29.280 How is social media impacting our lives? And we'll impact 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:33.840 our lives automation. What are Bill Gates and Elon Musk's 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:39.520 plan for humanity other than maybe to eliminate us? Famous 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:43.320 quotes by Bill Gates along the way years ago he said, 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:46.240 I think the Earth's population really should be about five 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:49.840 hundred million we've got to find a way to get there. 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:54.560 All the other nonsense that you've heard, and is it 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:57.360 all just fear mongering or do we really have something 0:17:57.400 --> 0:18:02.399 to fear from AI and social media in the digital age. 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:07.879 A guy that's our guest next is the CEO and 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:12.040 founder of Pickax, a groundbreaking social media platform built on 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:16.520 two uncompromising principles, freedom of speech and freedom of reach. 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:21.120 His newest book is called Following the Leader, and we 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:23.800 welcome him now. Jeff Dornick, thanks for coming on the 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:27.760 Nightcap tonight on seven other WLW. How are you doing 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:28.160 really well? 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:29.760 Thanks for me. I've been looking forward to chat with you. 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:33.600 Yeah, me too when I found out you were available. 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:37.320 This is right down my alley of stuff I want 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:40.719 to expose and talk about because so many people have 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:47.200 questions on our future and how technology plays a role. 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:53.120 And you know, for decades, I know this is true, 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:58.359 that we've been sold that technology is our savior, that 0:18:58.480 --> 0:18:59.919 innovation is progress. 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:01.879 And it's so funny, Jeff. 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:02.359 Uh. 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:05.600 The more I look at what some people call progress, 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:09.119 I find very regressive and very anti human, and you 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:10.320 may find the same thing. 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:12.480 But tell me again. 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:18.399 About pickacts first, and then about how you're trying to 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:22.240 maybe bridge that gap between technology and humanity. 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:25.439 Tell me about pick as, Yeah, definitely. 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:25.680 Yeah. 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:28.240 So with Pickax, it's a social media platform that we've 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:30.920 that we've developed, been building it up for a couple 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:33.600 of years now, and we uh the web versions out 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:36.439 right now. We're dropping the iOS and android app here 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:39.080 in the next couple of weeks. And you know, the 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:41.400 whole idea is just how can we have the most 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:44.199 human centered social media platform on the on the planet. 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:46.080 And so everything we do is from. 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:49.080 The from the perspective of how do we help human 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:53.720 content creators. How do we help you know, writers, journalists, rumble, 0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:56.440 live streamers, you know, you know, people with podcasts. 0:19:56.480 --> 0:19:57.680 How do we help them all? 0:19:57.760 --> 0:20:01.320 Because what's happening on these you know, mainstream social media 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:05.560 platforms is that they're they're leaning very heavily into artificial intelligence, 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:09.800 and they're leaning very heavily into algorithms and Elon must 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:11.960 just the other day just just announce that they're going 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:17.240 to now essentially make it to where you're following, so 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:20.040 the number of people that follow you has no bearing 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:23.160 on your ability to be seen. Now it's just all 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:25.720 going to be based on AI and the algorithm. So 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:29.639 now your your job, essentially, according to Elon, is to 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:33.400 write content that the algorithm likes, that the AI likes, 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:36.480 and then the AI will decide whether your content gets 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:38.720 seen as opposed to you being able to build your 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:41.320 own community, build your own audience and all that. So 0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:43.240 with Pickaxe, what we're doing is we're just we're making 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:46.560 it to where you can build an actually your own audience, 0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:48.520 and you can have direct access to your own audience. 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:50.280 We're not going to get in the way, we're not 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:51.960 going to get in the middle. And then we're just 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:55.720 developing a whole bunch of features that helped you amplify that. 0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:58.000 And the way that I've set up our business model 0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:01.520 is that we only whin we only we only generate 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:05.000 revenue as a platform when we help our human content 0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:08.200 creators to actually thrive and succeed. So it's just a 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:11.240 completely different outlook on social media. It's kind of like 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:14.320 we're taking it back to the way that social media 0:21:14.400 --> 0:21:16.480 was intended to be, which is social. 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:19.920 So that's what we're trying to do at pickax Fantastic. 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:24.200 Now, let me ask you this I've been told by 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:28.960 other people in the know, is that soon there will 0:21:29.000 --> 0:21:34.399 be no human generated contact or I'm sorry, there'll be 0:21:34.440 --> 0:21:38.240 no human generated content on the Internet at all, because 0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:42.280 AI is now just regurgitating AI. And the problem with 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:46.119 AI not only the algorithms and writing to what it 0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:52.720 likes according based on the algorithms, but AI has been 0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:56.800 known to hallucinate and just entirely make things up. You 0:21:56.840 --> 0:21:57.800 find that that's true. 0:21:58.920 --> 0:22:00.840 No, it's definitely, it's definitely true. 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:03.000 And also to you know, we also have to remember 0:22:03.040 --> 0:22:05.720 the AI is only as good as the as the 0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:08.000 database that it pulls information from it, and only as 0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:11.080 good as the bias that the programmer programs into it. 0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:16.040 But it's interesting too because Mark Zuckerberg is investing I 0:22:16.080 --> 0:22:19.240 think it's sixty five billion dollars into developing artificial intelligence 0:22:19.280 --> 0:22:25.080 specifically for the purpose of creating AI generated content creators. 0:22:25.119 --> 0:22:28.040 And their in game is to actually turn humans on 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:32.920 Facebook and Instagram into consumers only, and that they would 0:22:32.960 --> 0:22:36.800 then use AI to be the content creators. And then 0:22:36.800 --> 0:22:38.879 that way guys like Zuckerberg could say, oh, yeah, we're 0:22:38.880 --> 0:22:41.520 a free speech platform. Well yeah, because you control the 0:22:41.560 --> 0:22:44.199 speech that's on there, and you control the creators that 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:46.480 are on there, and then which makes it easier for 0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:49.800 you to sell advertising and promote whatever narratives you want 0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:52.680 to promote and all that. So and also too, then 0:22:52.680 --> 0:22:54.320 they won't have to do any kind of revenue share 0:22:54.359 --> 0:22:56.840 with their content creators that are on their platform. So 0:22:56.960 --> 0:23:00.000 that's that's where they're going. And I think that you know, 0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:02.520 when we look at what's happening on all these tech platforms, 0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:06.400 and you know, they're using us the people, in order 0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:09.680 to fuel their AI, which in their mind is going 0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:12.560 to replace us. For example, a lot of people don't 0:23:12.560 --> 0:23:17.160 realize this, but recently Elon Must sold X essentially to himself, 0:23:17.440 --> 0:23:22.240 but X is now owned by Xai, So xai owns 0:23:22.800 --> 0:23:26.200 x Y because X is the database that they're pulling 0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:28.440 all the information from. So all of our tweets, all 0:23:28.440 --> 0:23:31.000 of our posts on X are going in order to 0:23:31.040 --> 0:23:34.440 build up the artificial intelligence that is going to replace 0:23:34.520 --> 0:23:38.560 us as the content creators like make it make sense, well. 0:23:38.840 --> 0:23:43.240 Not only replace us on the internet in social media, 0:23:44.280 --> 0:23:47.760 but replace all of what What is the danger of 0:23:48.119 --> 0:23:52.920 AI completely taking over the technology, completely taking over and 0:23:53.000 --> 0:23:59.080 rendering millions upon millions of human jobs obsolete. 0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:01.119 Are we at that point yet? 0:24:01.480 --> 0:24:03.840 Is it going to happen within the next decade, or 0:24:03.880 --> 0:24:07.040 are there too many problems with AI that it will 0:24:07.600 --> 0:24:09.480 fall under its own. 0:24:09.400 --> 0:24:13.080 Weight now all. So, there's a couple of things. 0:24:13.119 --> 0:24:15.520 One I think is that you know, as I'm listening 0:24:15.560 --> 0:24:17.439 to a lot of people in the tech world, and 0:24:17.480 --> 0:24:19.800 they're all saying that that they're considered that there's an 0:24:19.800 --> 0:24:21.520 AI bubble, which I kind. 0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:22.800 Of agree with, and I kind of disagree with that. 0:24:22.920 --> 0:24:25.080 I agree that there's an AI bubble in the sense 0:24:25.080 --> 0:24:27.639 that I think that they're investing way too much money 0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:30.120 into it, that some of these companies are not going 0:24:30.160 --> 0:24:33.720 to be able to generate enough revenue based upon their 0:24:33.840 --> 0:24:36.560 hundreds of billions of dollars of investment, and so a 0:24:36.560 --> 0:24:38.760 lot of the big tech companies that we see are 0:24:38.800 --> 0:24:41.359 either going to go out of business or restructure or 0:24:41.359 --> 0:24:44.760 something along those lines. However, also you listen to a 0:24:44.800 --> 0:24:47.280 lot of these guys that are developing the AI, they 0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:50.480 see AI is replacing not just one hundred million jobs, 0:24:50.480 --> 0:24:53.400 fifty million jobs, one hundred like they're talking about replacing 0:24:53.480 --> 0:24:56.000 all human jobs. So there's no need for humans to 0:24:56.000 --> 0:24:58.879 be in the workforce. And this is leading to, you know, 0:24:58.920 --> 0:25:03.120 conversations about you universal basic income or as Sam Altman 0:25:03.560 --> 0:25:07.119 is actually proposing that instead of you having ubi from 0:25:07.160 --> 0:25:09.199 the government, that you would have what they call a 0:25:09.280 --> 0:25:12.200 dividend coming from these tech companies that would pay you 0:25:12.520 --> 0:25:13.879 to basically not work. 0:25:14.280 --> 0:25:16.440 And so basically now. 0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:18.400 Instead of there being a universal basic skin come from 0:25:18.400 --> 0:25:21.080 the government, where okay, if the government, you know, violates 0:25:21.080 --> 0:25:22.280 your constitutional rights. 0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:23.719 You could, you know, take it to court and all 0:25:23.720 --> 0:25:24.320 that kind of stuff. 0:25:24.359 --> 0:25:26.200 But if you have a private entity that you rely 0:25:26.359 --> 0:25:29.400 upon for your revenue, and all of a sudden they say, well, yeah, well, 0:25:29.400 --> 0:25:30.879 we don't like what you talk about, we don't like 0:25:30.960 --> 0:25:32.800 your focus, we don't like what you're spending your money on, 0:25:33.119 --> 0:25:35.040 so we're going to cut you off. They don't have 0:25:35.160 --> 0:25:39.199 a constitutional responsibility to protect your free speech rights or 0:25:39.200 --> 0:25:42.280 your First Amendment rights or anything along those lines, where 0:25:42.320 --> 0:25:45.960 as the government would. So now basically that these tech companies, 0:25:46.080 --> 0:25:48.720 if it goes as planned, are going to have more 0:25:48.760 --> 0:25:51.679 power over your life, and they can actually implement the 0:25:51.720 --> 0:25:54.320 censorship that we've been opposed to for so long in 0:25:54.359 --> 0:25:56.560 a way that the government never could. This is far 0:25:56.680 --> 0:25:59.960 more dangerous if this continues down the trajectory that we're head, 0:26:00.760 --> 0:26:02.959 than anything that the government could ever do. 0:26:03.119 --> 0:26:06.639 Well, it's like the digital I D that the UN 0:26:06.680 --> 0:26:10.760 has proposed. It would control every aspect of your life 0:26:11.119 --> 0:26:15.160 through technology and through this digital so called digital ID. 0:26:16.080 --> 0:26:19.479 It's kind of like the digital dollar and everything. Uh, 0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:22.480 you not being able to have any control over your 0:26:22.520 --> 0:26:28.200 buying power over things that you want to buy, or maybe, 0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:31.680 as you said, being cut off completely because they don't 0:26:31.760 --> 0:26:33.560 like your social credit score i e. 0:26:33.600 --> 0:26:36.280 Communist China, right right. 0:26:36.160 --> 0:26:39.200 Well, and and that's where it's it's it's an interesting conversation, 0:26:39.320 --> 0:26:42.159 especially about the digital ID and uh and you know, 0:26:42.240 --> 0:26:45.159 digital currency and all that, because I think, you know, 0:26:45.200 --> 0:26:47.880 there's obviously there's a push, especially in the European countries 0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:50.840 to to make it, you know, by the force of law. 0:26:50.840 --> 0:26:52.560 We're seeing this the United Kingdom and some of some 0:26:52.560 --> 0:26:56.040 of these other places. There's there's been conversations about happening 0:26:56.119 --> 0:26:58.440 here in the United States. And what I've actually been 0:26:58.560 --> 0:27:02.080 been fear, I guess you could say, is I don't 0:27:02.119 --> 0:27:04.880 think that that would actually hold up, you know, under 0:27:05.080 --> 0:27:07.200 under you know, courts and Supreme Court and all that 0:27:07.280 --> 0:27:10.120 kind of stuff, because it would be widely unconstitutional. However, 0:27:10.800 --> 0:27:13.560 what would happen if all of a sudden, let's say, 0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:17.040 a company like x or open ai or one of 0:27:17.040 --> 0:27:20.240 these artificial intelligence companies comes in and says, hey. 0:27:20.080 --> 0:27:22.719 You know that's fine. You don't legally have to according 0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:24.160 to the United States government, but. 0:27:24.200 --> 0:27:27.120 On our platform, you have to have a digital ID, 0:27:27.280 --> 0:27:29.359 and you have to have and we're going to implement 0:27:29.400 --> 0:27:31.560 a social credit score, which they're already doing. They're actually 0:27:31.600 --> 0:27:34.240 ranking you on X right now, zero to ninety nine. 0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:37.160 And then based upon that credit score, that social credit 0:27:37.200 --> 0:27:39.720 score will depend on how likely you're to be seen 0:27:40.520 --> 0:27:42.560 within their algorithms and in the new speed and trending 0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:44.960 and all that kind of stuff. So imagine that now 0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:47.920 you know, Elon's already talking about developing his own currency. 0:27:48.200 --> 0:27:50.040 Let's say let's say that they require you to have 0:27:50.200 --> 0:27:52.439 some sort of digital ID in order to be a 0:27:52.440 --> 0:27:55.600 part of their ecosystem. And as they continue to expand, 0:27:55.840 --> 0:28:00.320 then maybe more companies begins to adopt this new technology 0:28:00.359 --> 0:28:02.679 and ID and social credit score and all that to 0:28:02.680 --> 0:28:05.800 where again they're bypassing the government. 0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:07.159 Where there'd be a lot of legal hoops in order 0:28:07.200 --> 0:28:08.359 to implement it, to where now. 0:28:08.240 --> 0:28:11.240 It would be a quote unquote voluntary opt opt in 0:28:12.200 --> 0:28:16.040 digital ID or social credit score, central bank digital currency, 0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:18.600 the whole deal to where to where they could actually 0:28:18.640 --> 0:28:22.040 get away with doing the mass censorship and having complete 0:28:22.080 --> 0:28:25.320 control over your life. So unless we create some sort 0:28:25.320 --> 0:28:30.040 of alternative ecosystem that's completely separated from AI, we're all 0:28:30.119 --> 0:28:32.639 kind of screwed because what legal recourse do you have 0:28:33.160 --> 0:28:37.160 if a private company violates your constitutional rights? We don't 0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:39.600 have any because that's only there in order to prevent 0:28:39.680 --> 0:28:43.719 the federal government from violating rights, not necessarily a private company. 0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:48.440 Have you received any pushback on pickax from these other 0:28:48.840 --> 0:28:52.160 giants and how do you protect yourself against because they 0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:54.400 have a lot of money and a lot of power, Chef. 0:28:55.440 --> 0:28:57.080 Yeah, we haven't as of yet. 0:28:57.360 --> 0:29:00.520 And again just because we're technically under pre right now, 0:29:00.560 --> 0:29:02.719 so we've got to get web burden out now actually 0:29:02.720 --> 0:29:03.520 going to be dropping soon. 0:29:03.560 --> 0:29:06.320 But I'm fully prepared for there being some sort. 0:29:06.080 --> 0:29:09.480 Of pushback blowback you know at tax things like that, 0:29:09.560 --> 0:29:12.800 and so we're taking a variety of precautions, everything from 0:29:12.880 --> 0:29:15.280 you know, servers and having backups to where if one 0:29:15.360 --> 0:29:17.160 server takes us down, we can just flip a switch 0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:20.160 and instantaneously be back up live. So you know, we're 0:29:20.240 --> 0:29:23.200 we're going into everything with our eyes wide open. Knowing 0:29:23.600 --> 0:29:26.040 that there's that there's going to be pushed back because 0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:29.520 we're going against the grain, we're going against the system, 0:29:29.600 --> 0:29:32.760 and we're creating a space that is very centered on 0:29:32.880 --> 0:29:37.200 human beings and ultimately trying to create an alternative ecosystem 0:29:37.280 --> 0:29:39.960 to where, you know, if all this kind of stuff 0:29:40.000 --> 0:29:43.320 comes to pass, as as I've been predicting that there 0:29:43.400 --> 0:29:47.080 will be a human centered space that that you know, 0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:49.840 we're not living in the Pixar movie Wally like like 0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:52.120 like Elon must says, we're going to end up being 0:29:52.360 --> 0:29:54.240 but we're actually going to be able to have you know, 0:29:54.320 --> 0:29:57.720 human to human connection and in community and creativity and 0:29:57.760 --> 0:29:59.520 all that kind of stuff. So I know there will 0:29:59.560 --> 0:30:02.480 be pushed b and we have certain things in place 0:30:02.560 --> 0:30:04.680 in order to bypass that as much as possible. 0:30:05.000 --> 0:30:08.720 Good because they believe me, if you start making waves 0:30:08.760 --> 0:30:13.160 with Pickaxe, you know that those ripples will finally be 0:30:13.920 --> 0:30:16.960 noticed by the people you've been talking about and the 0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:20.120 powers that be in the tech world, and they will 0:30:20.160 --> 0:30:24.360 either try and swallow you up or or neuter you 0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:29.040 somehow and keep you from you know, disrupting. 0:30:28.360 --> 0:30:35.400 Their evil plans. Tell me about following the leader the book. 0:30:35.960 --> 0:30:37.960 So yeah, So that's a that's a book that I've 0:30:38.000 --> 0:30:41.120 been I've been working on a writing and should be 0:30:41.200 --> 0:30:43.040 able to get it all wrapped up and finished soon. 0:30:43.360 --> 0:30:44.520 But the whole idea. 0:30:44.560 --> 0:30:47.320 So in one of my first books that I put together, 0:30:47.360 --> 0:30:49.120 it was a group book project, and I brought together 0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:51.000 a bunch of pastors and theologians and all that talking 0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:52.360 about different issues facing the church. 0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:53.880 And one of the chapters that I wrote. 0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:58.160 In that book was about the evangelical cult of personality 0:30:58.520 --> 0:31:01.800 and how a lot of these magatures pastors within Christianity 0:31:01.920 --> 0:31:04.719 almost set up their own mini cult within the Christian 0:31:05.040 --> 0:31:08.880 ecosystem to where you completely rely upon them for all 0:31:09.040 --> 0:31:13.320 of your theological training and teaching, and whatever they say goes, 0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:15.800 and you're kind of taught not to question them, and 0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:18.960 just well they're the most trained experts in their fields, 0:31:18.960 --> 0:31:20.560 so you have to just believe them, and then you 0:31:20.600 --> 0:31:23.280 follow them. And then they end up use and abuse 0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:25.560 their people in order to build up their wealth. They've 0:31:25.600 --> 0:31:27.320 set up all sorts of different, you know, kinds of 0:31:27.320 --> 0:31:29.320 nonprofits all over the place that they're bringing in. 0:31:29.600 --> 0:31:31.800 They're just raking in the money, all that kind. 0:31:31.680 --> 0:31:33.680 Of stuff, and they have ultimate control and power and 0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:35.680 all that, and when I looked at a lot of them, 0:31:35.720 --> 0:31:38.120 I realize a lot of them are using certain cult 0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:41.800 tactics in order to manipulate their base into you know, 0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:45.800 essentially playing follow the leader. Well then I started seeing, well, 0:31:45.840 --> 0:31:47.720 this isn't just happening within the church, this is happening 0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:50.640 within the political sphere. This is happening within mainstream society 0:31:50.680 --> 0:31:53.120 as well. So I started researching them. That's really what 0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:56.000 led into following the Leader. And as I was researching this, 0:31:56.440 --> 0:31:59.600 I realized, well, you know, you take this back to scientology, 0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:02.840 and you've this back to Jim Jones and Charles Manson 0:32:02.880 --> 0:32:04.840 and a lot of these different cults. It's all the 0:32:04.880 --> 0:32:07.320 same tactics that are being used. And so then I 0:32:07.320 --> 0:32:10.000 started researching the cults and looking into and looking into 0:32:10.000 --> 0:32:12.000 all of that, and you know, things like MK ultra 0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:14.640 and brainwashing and all that, and you realize, well, there's 0:32:14.680 --> 0:32:16.920 a lot of the same tactics there. And then a 0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:19.400 lot of these leaders have direct ties with an intelligence 0:32:19.440 --> 0:32:23.040 agency of some kind, and you're like, what's going on here? 0:32:23.360 --> 0:32:25.080 So you know, as I'm looking. 0:32:24.960 --> 0:32:26.960 At this, it makes perfect sense that I think a 0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:29.320 lot of these cults, going way back, we're kind of 0:32:29.320 --> 0:32:32.680 testing grounds in order in order for to see how 0:32:32.720 --> 0:32:35.400 do you get normal everyday people coming off the street 0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:39.040 to either come in and believe something insane, do some 0:32:39.120 --> 0:32:42.400 sort of atrocious thing that you would never that no 0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:44.800 human being would do, like Charles Manson going around and 0:32:44.840 --> 0:32:47.560 just mass murdering people and all, how did they do that? 0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:49.360 So I started looking at this and it was like, 0:32:49.400 --> 0:32:51.200 you know, you start with a basic lie, you build 0:32:51.240 --> 0:32:53.120 upon that, you build upon that, you build upon that 0:32:53.200 --> 0:32:56.640 until you believe something absolutely insane. And we saw that 0:32:56.680 --> 0:32:59.160 happen with COVID. We see that happening today in politics, 0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:00.960 we see that happening Trump, We see. 0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:02.480 That happening everywhere. 0:33:02.880 --> 0:33:05.640 And so my theory that a posit in the book 0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:09.080 is basically that you have the intelligence agencies or some 0:33:09.200 --> 0:33:12.520 kind of power that's involved that use the cult as 0:33:12.600 --> 0:33:15.320 testing grounds and then now they're playing out these tactics 0:33:15.320 --> 0:33:18.560 on a mass scale. And then the question is are 0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:21.840 have you been taken in by some sort of cult tactic? 0:33:22.160 --> 0:33:23.960 And that can happen on the left, it can happen 0:33:23.960 --> 0:33:25.800 on the right. And so the thing is do we 0:33:25.840 --> 0:33:27.880 self reflect, take a look at our lives and figure 0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:30.240 out what do I believe, not just what do I believe? 0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:31.360 But why do I believe it? 0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:33.920 Am I just a parent that's repeating what somebody else said? 0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:36.200 Or do I actually know that it's true? So that's 0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:38.040 really the whole theory behind the book. 0:33:38.040 --> 0:33:39.960 I guess you could say, well, as a believing Christian, 0:33:40.040 --> 0:33:42.840 I know that Jesus Christ is my sales savior. No 0:33:43.080 --> 0:33:48.400 man is my savior, whether it be a president or 0:33:48.440 --> 0:33:53.240 a congressman or an evangelical preacher with a large following. 0:33:54.000 --> 0:33:56.040 You know, you can go through the litany of names, 0:33:56.080 --> 0:33:58.680 which we don't need to do. Everybody knows what we're 0:33:58.720 --> 0:34:02.880 talking about, I think. But my my issue is that 0:34:03.000 --> 0:34:07.160 these cult like tactics, are these basic cults that are 0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:10.439 predicated on the lie uh you know that you've got 0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:14.920 to follow this one human being, this man uh to 0:34:15.280 --> 0:34:18.640 uh to find your path to salvation. Is that it 0:34:18.800 --> 0:34:23.360 turns people off of real scripturally based Christianity, you know 0:34:23.400 --> 0:34:23.839 what I mean? 0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:28.160 Yeah, no, absolutely, And I think I think it also 0:34:28.920 --> 0:34:31.440 that one of the one of the problems is is 0:34:31.480 --> 0:34:33.520 that a lot of times in the in this these 0:34:33.600 --> 0:34:35.640 kind of like cult mindsets, whether you're talking about within 0:34:35.760 --> 0:34:39.520 Christianity or within politics, they they really try to persuade 0:34:39.520 --> 0:34:42.680 you not to question anything and and not to not 0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:45.000 to actually, you know, do your own research and figure 0:34:45.000 --> 0:34:46.680 it out and all that. And I think that that's 0:34:46.800 --> 0:34:48.480 that's that's one of the really big things that I 0:34:48.520 --> 0:34:52.200 really want to encourage people to is break away from 0:34:52.200 --> 0:34:56.360 this mentality of you're not supposed to question, like question everything, 0:34:56.480 --> 0:34:59.600 because because the truth, if you are a true secret 0:34:59.640 --> 0:35:02.520 of the truth, you read the Bible, you know from 0:35:02.600 --> 0:35:04.960 in the political sphere, obviously, you read the Constitution, you 0:35:05.000 --> 0:35:07.440 read the Founding documents, you go through all that. The 0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:10.760 truth is there, you go find it. But you also 0:35:10.760 --> 0:35:13.080 have to be humble enough to realize that maybe I 0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:15.319 miss something, maybe I'm wrong. And so for me, I 0:35:15.320 --> 0:35:17.200 have a lot of conversations with a lot of people 0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:19.520 from a lot of different perspectives, and I go into 0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:22.520 everything believing what I believe one hundred percent, but I'm 0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:25.719 also open to the idea that possibly the other person 0:35:25.800 --> 0:35:27.399 I have an argument where I need to go back 0:35:27.440 --> 0:35:29.200 and I need to look at what I believe and say, Okay, 0:35:29.920 --> 0:35:31.840 did my belief hold up the scrutiny or do I 0:35:31.880 --> 0:35:34.600 need to maybe reconsider something, tweet something, change something. 0:35:34.800 --> 0:35:38.520 Jeff we're out of time, but I appreciate yours. Pickaxe 0:35:38.880 --> 0:35:43.080 is this new human based social media that Jeff Dornick 0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:46.520 and his group have launched. And you know, we'll check 0:35:46.560 --> 0:35:48.760 back in and see when you're up and running. Jeff, Okay, 0:35:49.760 --> 0:35:50.960 sounds good. I appreciate it. 0:35:50.960 --> 0:35:51.319 Thank you. 0:35:51.400 --> 0:35:54.239 It's the Nightcap and it continues right after news on 0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:59.400 seven hunderd WLW. As we continue on this Monday Nightcap 0:35:59.560 --> 0:36:03.480 on seven one hundrel a guy that's been on the 0:36:03.480 --> 0:36:07.759 program many times and he's been gracious enough to come 0:36:07.800 --> 0:36:10.799 back on with us tonight. He is the man at 0:36:10.840 --> 0:36:16.040 the d man at the Crime Prevention Research Center CPRC. 0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:18.840 His name is John Lott. 0:36:19.320 --> 0:36:22.879 When it comes to the real stats on crime, we're 0:36:22.920 --> 0:36:25.880 talking about it a lot in the news and the 0:36:25.960 --> 0:36:28.120 recent so called surgeon crime. 0:36:28.640 --> 0:36:30.640 What are the root causes behind it? What do the 0:36:30.680 --> 0:36:31.880 stats actually say? 0:36:32.800 --> 0:36:37.359 There's no better expert than our guest, John Lott, Doctor Lott, 0:36:37.360 --> 0:36:38.919 it's great to have you back on the show. 0:36:39.000 --> 0:36:42.839 How are you doing great, great to talk to you, 0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:43.719 Thanks for having me on. 0:36:44.640 --> 0:36:49.600 Just drop something in real clear politics here? What do 0:36:49.760 --> 0:36:55.680 stats really say about the crime surge? So can we 0:36:55.760 --> 0:37:00.399 just get a thumbnail first of the overview of what 0:37:00.440 --> 0:37:03.040 that says. What do the stats do say about the 0:37:03.040 --> 0:37:04.640 crime surge in America today? 0:37:06.040 --> 0:37:06.279 Right? 0:37:06.840 --> 0:37:11.000 But I think with over the last four years, we've 0:37:11.040 --> 0:37:14.560 seen a huge percentage increase in violent crime, about a 0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:19.120 fifty nine percent increase over four years, which is unprecedented 0:37:19.880 --> 0:37:23.920 for that large of a percentage increase. And it basically 0:37:23.920 --> 0:37:26.480 comes down to this. There are two measures that we 0:37:26.560 --> 0:37:30.200 have of crime. We have crimes report to police and 0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:33.080 then we have total crimes. And what people need to 0:37:33.120 --> 0:37:37.680 realize is that only about forty percent of violent crimes 0:37:37.680 --> 0:37:40.560 get report to police and only about thirty percent of 0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:44.840 property crimes get reported to police. And in the past, 0:37:45.040 --> 0:37:48.920 prior to COVID, the number of crimes reported to police 0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:51.360 and the total amount of crime. 0:37:51.840 --> 0:37:53.360 Tended to go up and down together. 0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:57.560 But since COVID, there's been a real huge disconnect. What 0:37:57.719 --> 0:38:03.040 we've seen a little drop in an overall reported crime, 0:38:04.440 --> 0:38:09.880 we've actually seen this huge, unprecedented increase in total crime. 0:38:10.000 --> 0:38:10.600 This's occurred. 0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:14.680 Yeah, and you mentioned in this Real Clear Politics article 0:38:15.600 --> 0:38:20.800 that during the presidential debate between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris, 0:38:22.000 --> 0:38:26.000 President Trump now President Trump, said violent crime was rising. 0:38:26.480 --> 0:38:29.839 The ABC moderator said, President Trump, as you know, the 0:38:29.880 --> 0:38:33.280 FBI says overall violent crime is coming down in this country. 0:38:34.400 --> 0:38:36.120 Was the FBI cook in the books or is it 0:38:36.280 --> 0:38:39.080 just this the fact that it's the crimes are not 0:38:39.120 --> 0:38:40.440 being reported. 0:38:40.000 --> 0:38:40.560 John. 0:38:42.400 --> 0:38:46.000 Right, Well, I think it's the crimes just aren't being reported, 0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:51.560 and there's simple reasons for that. One of the biggest 0:38:51.600 --> 0:38:54.719 reasons is whether or not people report crimes to the 0:38:54.719 --> 0:38:58.439 police depends in part on whether or not people think 0:38:58.480 --> 0:39:01.560 that the criminals are going to be and punished. And 0:39:01.640 --> 0:39:04.040 one thing that we've seen over the last few years 0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:07.839 has been a huge drop in the rate that criminals 0:39:07.880 --> 0:39:12.840 are arrested and punished for crime. It's gone down like 0:39:12.960 --> 0:39:18.480 by almost half of what it was beforehand. And it's 0:39:18.520 --> 0:39:22.520 also become more difficult for people to report crimes in 0:39:22.600 --> 0:39:25.800 many parts of the country. You know, six seven years ago, 0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:29.040 if you had had a violent crime occur and you 0:39:29.160 --> 0:39:32.560 called up the police, they would send out a police car. Well, 0:39:32.600 --> 0:39:35.120 now if you call it nine to one one, what 0:39:35.160 --> 0:39:38.000 they'll go and they'll say is they'll ask you first, 0:39:38.160 --> 0:39:41.440 is the criminals still there committing the crime? And if 0:39:41.480 --> 0:39:44.799 you say no, which is virtually always the case, that 0:39:44.960 --> 0:39:48.000 you know the crimes already occurred, the criminals left the scene. 0:39:48.680 --> 0:39:51.680 They'll say, well, you can come down to the police 0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:55.960 station and wait in line, and uh, you know, you 0:39:56.000 --> 0:40:00.480 can get a police report filled out. A lot of 0:40:00.480 --> 0:40:03.359 people may not understand that just simply calling up nine 0:40:03.400 --> 0:40:07.319 to one one doesn't result in a police report. Will 0:40:07.320 --> 0:40:10.160 only get a police report when a police officer actually 0:40:10.160 --> 0:40:13.560 goes and fills out the report that's there. And so 0:40:14.400 --> 0:40:17.319 you know, it's it's not too difficult to understand. I 0:40:17.360 --> 0:40:21.080 guess that if if you make it more costly, more 0:40:21.160 --> 0:40:25.000 time consuming for people to go and report a crime, 0:40:25.560 --> 0:40:27.680 you're going to have at least some people who are 0:40:27.680 --> 0:40:29.680 going to say, look, it's just not worth my time 0:40:30.560 --> 0:40:34.120 to go and do that, and so those crimes will 0:40:34.120 --> 0:40:34.920 go unreported. 0:40:35.680 --> 0:40:39.000 The National Crime Victimization Survey that your reference in this 0:40:39.160 --> 0:40:44.640 article a pretty steep contrast between President Trump's first term 0:40:45.080 --> 0:40:49.640 and Joe Biden's term in office as president. As you mentioned, 0:40:49.680 --> 0:40:54.680 the fifty nine percent surge, with rape and sexual assault 0:40:54.800 --> 0:40:57.920 up sixty seven percent, robbery of thirty eight percent, an 0:40:57.920 --> 0:41:01.959 aggravated assault of sixty two two. That's like twenty twenty 0:41:02.120 --> 0:41:06.480 through twenty twenty four. As you said post COVID the 0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:11.520 first term of President Trump. That same NCVS data showed 0:41:11.840 --> 0:41:14.839 that between twenty seventeen and twenty twenty, violent crime fell 0:41:14.960 --> 0:41:18.279 fifteen percent, including a six percent drop in robbery, a 0:41:18.360 --> 0:41:22.360 twenty four percent decline, and aggravated assault, rape and sexual 0:41:22.360 --> 0:41:26.040 assault rose slightly. The increase was less than ten percent 0:41:27.320 --> 0:41:32.640 over what occurred in Joe Biden's term. So what was 0:41:32.719 --> 0:41:36.640 happening differently in President Trump's first term that didn't happen 0:41:37.080 --> 0:41:40.440 during Biden It maybe is not related to COVID from 0:41:40.520 --> 0:41:41.240 what you're seeing. 0:41:43.320 --> 0:41:48.680 Well, I think I think under Biden, the big problem 0:41:48.719 --> 0:41:51.040 that you have is that they just made it a 0:41:51.080 --> 0:41:53.920 lot less risky for criminals to go on commit crime. 0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:58.160 I mean, look at DC for example, in Washington, d C. 0:41:59.239 --> 0:42:05.320 It's the US attorney who's responsible for prosecuting crimes by adults, 0:42:06.640 --> 0:42:09.759 the US attorney that you had there under the Biden administration. 0:42:09.880 --> 0:42:14.600 In twenty twenty two, he refused to prosecute sixty seven 0:42:14.640 --> 0:42:18.680 percent of the arrests that occurred during that time. In 0:42:18.760 --> 0:42:22.560 twenty twenty three, he refused to prosecute still fifty six 0:42:22.640 --> 0:42:27.280 percent of the arrests that occurred there. As a huge 0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:31.759 percentage of arrest that just won't result in prosecutions. Obviously 0:42:32.239 --> 0:42:38.080 under somebody like Judge Dean Pirot right now, she's had 0:42:38.360 --> 0:42:41.200 much more aggressive you know, if you're arrested, she's going 0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:48.960 to prosecute you for your crime. And you know, during 0:42:49.000 --> 0:42:54.320 the first Trump term, only about thirty percent of arrests 0:42:54.360 --> 0:42:59.959 were not prosecuted. So you know, it was still higher 0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:04.560 than Piero, but it was a lot less than was 0:43:04.600 --> 0:43:08.200 occurring under the Biden administration. And you know, it's just 0:43:08.840 --> 0:43:12.800 kind of a lot of the resources in the federal government, 0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:16.759 like with regard to the FBI, they were not being 0:43:16.880 --> 0:43:19.280 used to go after what you and I might regard 0:43:19.360 --> 0:43:24.640 as violent criminals. They would go and record license plates 0:43:24.680 --> 0:43:28.080 at school board meetings, or go and infiltrate you know, 0:43:28.239 --> 0:43:32.520 Catholic church meetings, or you know, a huge amount of 0:43:32.600 --> 0:43:36.640 effort and time dealing with January sixth, even people that 0:43:36.760 --> 0:43:41.799 had no violent actions that were taken. You know, the 0:43:41.800 --> 0:43:45.839 the on average, the person the people who engaged in 0:43:45.920 --> 0:43:49.759 any violence on January sixth spent at least forty two 0:43:49.800 --> 0:43:53.480 months in prison. But there are lots of people who 0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:57.319 ended up spending you know, being investigated and spending substantial 0:43:57.400 --> 0:44:01.440 time in prison who engaged in absolutely no violence at all, 0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:04.280 you know, basically trespassing type things. 0:44:04.440 --> 0:44:06.759 Yeah, and Paradi. 0:44:07.760 --> 0:44:10.399 Right well, and there was a huge amount of resources 0:44:10.440 --> 0:44:15.960 spent on that. So, you know, under Trump, whether it 0:44:16.000 --> 0:44:20.680 was the first term or even more so now, they're 0:44:20.680 --> 0:44:23.359 going you know, they're going after criminals. 0:44:23.719 --> 0:44:24.359 Yeah. 0:44:24.080 --> 0:44:26.560 So let me ask you talking to John Lott from 0:44:26.600 --> 0:44:31.399 the Crime Prevention Research Center about the crime surge that 0:44:31.440 --> 0:44:34.880 we've been living through the last four years or so, 0:44:34.960 --> 0:44:38.760 which President Trump has been talking about and not only 0:44:38.880 --> 0:44:41.640 in the debate before in the campaign, but he's been 0:44:41.760 --> 0:44:45.319 actively trying to do something about it, obviously, and he's 0:44:45.360 --> 0:44:48.319 getting a lot of pushback about that from around the 0:44:48.360 --> 0:44:52.520 country for various reasons, but they're mostly political in anything 0:44:52.560 --> 0:44:56.200 that Trump does must be stopped immediately, even if it's right. 0:44:57.040 --> 0:45:00.840 We see that all over the place, John, But what 0:45:01.040 --> 0:45:05.600 about what he did with the Federal District of Columbia, 0:45:06.440 --> 0:45:10.080 And you mentioned the criminals knowing they're going to be 0:45:10.120 --> 0:45:14.880 prosecuted is the main thing that's the deterrent to actually 0:45:15.719 --> 0:45:18.560 bring the crime rate down, and I believe that as well. 0:45:19.040 --> 0:45:23.280 But what do you think about the President's plan to 0:45:23.320 --> 0:45:28.320 install federal troops to augment local police departments around the country. 0:45:28.640 --> 0:45:31.000 Is that going to be an effective tool if he's 0:45:31.040 --> 0:45:31.839 allowed to do it? 0:45:34.719 --> 0:45:39.520 Well, I mean, they've already been doing this in Memphis. 0:45:39.560 --> 0:45:42.720 There seems to be a substantial drop that they're seeing 0:45:43.040 --> 0:45:48.000 in crime already there. Obviously they had huge drops in 0:45:48.200 --> 0:45:53.760 violent crime, like an eighty five drop in carjackings. 0:45:52.880 --> 0:45:53.960 In Washington, d C. 0:45:54.960 --> 0:45:59.080 When they moved Himand you know, it's a combination of things. 0:45:59.560 --> 0:46:04.520 In Memphis and d C. They've moved federal law enforcement 0:46:04.600 --> 0:46:11.160 agents like the FBI, ATF and others into the area there. 0:46:11.280 --> 0:46:17.080 They've also moved to National Guard. So you know it's 0:46:17.120 --> 0:46:24.799 in d C about thirteen hundred patrol officers, no more 0:46:24.840 --> 0:46:27.600 than four hundred are on duty at any point in time. 0:46:29.120 --> 0:46:33.279 The change that Trump made essentially doubled the number of 0:46:33.960 --> 0:46:36.279 boots that you had on the ground at any point 0:46:36.320 --> 0:46:41.440 in time. And you know, they had huge increases in arrests, 0:46:41.480 --> 0:46:44.359 made it much more difficult for criminals to commit crime. 0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:49.040 What's riskier, and they've been prosecuting them. Now they're still problems. 0:46:49.960 --> 0:46:55.920 The District Columbia is responsible for prosecuting juvenile crime. You 0:46:56.080 --> 0:47:03.000 just had that situation where the young doage individual, the 0:47:03.040 --> 0:47:08.680 government efficiency expert you know, nicknamed Big Balls, he had 0:47:08.719 --> 0:47:15.640 been savagely beaten and attacked by ten juveniles. The judge 0:47:16.719 --> 0:47:21.680 released them, initially didn't require that they had to spend 0:47:21.719 --> 0:47:26.880 time in jail, and now this last week she just 0:47:26.960 --> 0:47:29.759 decided that they would get no jail time, that they 0:47:29.760 --> 0:47:35.239 would just get probation for the savage AGGBT assault that 0:47:35.280 --> 0:47:36.239 they engaged in. 0:47:37.120 --> 0:47:37.879 You know, so. 0:47:39.520 --> 0:47:43.399 You still have problems in DC and things that they 0:47:43.520 --> 0:47:47.520 completely control in terms like the punishment for juveniles. But 0:47:48.360 --> 0:47:50.839 you know, there there's still been some change in all 0:47:50.920 --> 0:47:55.800 the violent adult criminals that they've taken off the street. 0:47:57.120 --> 0:47:59.440 You know, they're still off the street. They're still going 0:47:59.520 --> 0:48:03.160 to be not committing crime for some period of time, 0:48:04.360 --> 0:48:08.560 So there'll still be some benefits even when the federal 0:48:08.640 --> 0:48:13.239 law enforcement has moved away from there. But you know, 0:48:13.280 --> 0:48:17.520 it's Trump has done things across the board. It's not 0:48:17.680 --> 0:48:21.520 just higher rest rates, higher conviction rates, longer prison sentences, 0:48:22.239 --> 0:48:24.840 but they've also made it easier for victims to be 0:48:24.840 --> 0:48:27.120 able to go and defend themselves, which also makes it 0:48:27.200 --> 0:48:31.880 riskier for criminals to makes it riskier for criminals to 0:48:31.920 --> 0:48:37.160 commit crimes. So, for example, it had been taking six 0:48:37.239 --> 0:48:40.040 to eight months or more for people to get their 0:48:40.040 --> 0:48:44.440 concealed carry permit in Washington, d C. The Trump administration 0:48:44.600 --> 0:48:47.880 put pressure on the DC government and they've sped it 0:48:47.960 --> 0:48:52.640 up now to get your permit within two weeks. You know, 0:48:52.719 --> 0:48:53.840 all those things matter. 0:48:54.880 --> 0:48:58.480 Well, do you have a you take a lot of 0:48:58.719 --> 0:49:02.480 good stock and the Bureau of Justice Statistics National Crime 0:49:02.600 --> 0:49:07.520 Victimization Survey, which you know before twenty twenty, the FBI 0:49:08.360 --> 0:49:12.160 Statistics and the Bureau of Statistics, as you point out 0:49:12.160 --> 0:49:15.440 in this article in real clear politics, they kind of 0:49:15.480 --> 0:49:19.960 moved side by side in tandem. But then they are 0:49:20.000 --> 0:49:24.879 totally different now as far as reported crime from the 0:49:24.920 --> 0:49:27.400 FBI and then from the survey of two hundred and 0:49:27.400 --> 0:49:31.359 forty thousand people living in the United States asking whether 0:49:31.400 --> 0:49:35.520 they were crime victims, the two are moving in opposite 0:49:35.520 --> 0:49:39.640 directions or have been. Do you see a lot of 0:49:39.680 --> 0:49:44.239 validity into that particular survey because there are so many 0:49:44.239 --> 0:49:45.279 people interviewed. 0:49:47.160 --> 0:49:49.960 No, I mean they survey two hundred and forty thousand people, 0:49:50.080 --> 0:49:54.279 so I mean it's really a huge survey. I mean, 0:49:54.280 --> 0:49:57.040 it's kind of always been the gold standard for crime 0:49:57.080 --> 0:50:01.440 statistics and The reason is that we know that most 0:50:01.560 --> 0:50:04.840 violent crimes and most property crimes aren't report to police. 0:50:04.840 --> 0:50:07.360 And you know, if you're going to ask people, what 0:50:07.960 --> 0:50:10.760 about most do you care about what's happened to total 0:50:10.840 --> 0:50:14.600 crime or you care about the number of crimes that 0:50:14.680 --> 0:50:18.280 reports police. I mean, obviously both matter in some sense 0:50:18.719 --> 0:50:20.319 in terms of policy and what. 0:50:20.239 --> 0:50:20.799 You want to do. 0:50:21.400 --> 0:50:24.960 But you know what affects the quality of people's lives 0:50:25.080 --> 0:50:26.720 is what happens to total crime? 0:50:27.719 --> 0:50:30.799 All right, Well, you can find the actual stats and 0:50:30.840 --> 0:50:34.280 the information because they do a phenomenal job of compiling 0:50:34.320 --> 0:50:38.920 it all at Crimeresearch dot org. It's the CPRC, the 0:50:38.960 --> 0:50:43.319 Crime Prevention Research Center. It's founder, president John Lott with us. 0:50:45.360 --> 0:50:48.160 I always love having you on. I love getting the 0:50:48.440 --> 0:50:52.640 real scoop on stuff that is being bandied about like 0:50:52.640 --> 0:50:55.239 a political football in the media all the time. John, 0:50:55.280 --> 0:50:57.960 and you were great for setting the record straight. So 0:50:58.160 --> 0:50:59.920 thank you again for coming on with us. 0:51:01.239 --> 0:51:03.759 Well, thanks so much, Jeff, I greatly appreciate you having 0:51:03.800 --> 0:51:04.000 me on. 0:51:04.400 --> 0:51:09.640 You bet, John Lott from the CPRC. Tonight on the Nightcap, 0:51:09.960 --> 0:51:13.759 plentymore show left to go, and we'll get to it 0:51:13.800 --> 0:51:16.880 in due time. Hang on, Opportunity tonight to talk to 0:51:16.960 --> 0:51:20.000 John Doctor John Brady. We've had him on before. He's 0:51:20.040 --> 0:51:25.319 a forensic psychologist, he is an author and he has 0:51:25.360 --> 0:51:29.880 a new book coming out called Breakdown, and it's getting 0:51:29.920 --> 0:51:32.799 inside the criminal mind. We talk about the Sir Hans 0:51:32.920 --> 0:51:40.120 Sir Han assassination of RFK. We talk about Luigi Mangioni 0:51:40.200 --> 0:51:45.480 up to date and how it references with the an 0:51:45.560 --> 0:51:51.720 alliance with the Charlie Kirkshooter in his expertise, Doctor Brady, 0:51:51.800 --> 0:51:54.000 welcome back to the Nightcap. It's good to have you 0:51:54.040 --> 0:51:56.800 on again. When is the book going to be available? 0:51:56.840 --> 0:52:02.680 First, Dary, it's my pleasure. WLW is my favorite station. 0:52:03.680 --> 0:52:08.320 Reminds me of WLS in Chicago that I grew up listening. 0:52:07.920 --> 0:52:11.000 To, So I really appreciate the. 0:52:11.440 --> 0:52:14.120 You know what, that's something we have, that's something we 0:52:14.160 --> 0:52:17.920 have in common, doctor Brady, because when I was a kid. 0:52:18.120 --> 0:52:20.880 When I was a kid, we lived in the West 0:52:20.920 --> 0:52:24.640 Burbs of Chicago and they're in Chicago Land, and I 0:52:24.760 --> 0:52:28.400 grew up listening to eighty nine WLS when it was 0:52:28.480 --> 0:52:34.280 the premiere Boss Jock top forty radio station in the country. 0:52:35.080 --> 0:52:38.680 And that's exactly where I got bit by the broadcasting bug. 0:52:38.960 --> 0:52:42.400 Was being seven years old and listening to WLS on 0:52:42.480 --> 0:52:46.839 my transistor radio in nineteen sixty six, sixty seven. So 0:52:47.200 --> 0:52:48.200 I am right there with you. 0:52:49.080 --> 0:52:53.400 That's exactly right, because I grew up in Joliet, uh huh, Illinois. 0:52:53.680 --> 0:52:57.640 Yeah, yeah, we were. We were in Naperville and Downers Grove, Oh. 0:52:58.760 --> 0:53:00.279 Right up the road. I mean I used to run 0:53:00.400 --> 0:53:03.800 track against Naperville. I mean, what what a great little 0:53:03.920 --> 0:53:06.120 town that is. You know, I still have relatives, my 0:53:06.200 --> 0:53:09.279 nieces and nephews live in Naperville, and that's just a wonderful, 0:53:09.719 --> 0:53:10.680 wonderful area. 0:53:11.400 --> 0:53:13.560 So we have we have that in common. 0:53:14.280 --> 0:53:18.920 W LS listening to that station on my transistor radio also, 0:53:19.600 --> 0:53:22.840 so you know it was that little our RCA radio 0:53:22.920 --> 0:53:23.560 that we had. 0:53:23.680 --> 0:53:27.120 Yeah, I had. I had a nine volt to operate 0:53:27.160 --> 0:53:32.320 a GE transistor right up against my ear. Anyway, Doctor Brady, U, 0:53:33.320 --> 0:53:35.279 this is this is old Home Week for us. But 0:53:35.600 --> 0:53:38.080 for the benefit for the edification of the audience, what 0:53:38.120 --> 0:53:42.680 we're going to talk about the psychological DNA and the 0:53:42.680 --> 0:53:46.440 cold case analysis of who killed Robert F. Kennedy, And 0:53:46.480 --> 0:53:50.399 you're talking about breakdown as it relates to modern day 0:53:50.440 --> 0:53:55.960 assassins or people that are looked at as assassins. Did 0:53:55.960 --> 0:53:59.319 they act alone and all Lee Lee Harvey Oswald. You know, 0:53:59.680 --> 0:54:02.960 there were so many things in the RFK case back 0:54:03.000 --> 0:54:05.880 in the summer of nineteen sixty eight that did not 0:54:06.080 --> 0:54:09.040 really add up to Sir Han Surhan? 0:54:09.760 --> 0:54:10.320 Is that true? 0:54:12.200 --> 0:54:12.640 That's right? 0:54:12.640 --> 0:54:16.200 I mean, I mean I worked on that case peripherally 0:54:16.360 --> 0:54:21.120 with the chief psychiatrist, doctor Bernard Diamond. He was my 0:54:21.239 --> 0:54:26.479 advisor in the Schruel Criminology at UC Berkeley, and he 0:54:26.760 --> 0:54:31.680 more or less orchestrated the psychiatric defense on behalf of 0:54:31.800 --> 0:54:35.080 Sir Hand. But as you say, Gary, there were a 0:54:35.120 --> 0:54:36.520 lot of misnomers. 0:54:36.520 --> 0:54:39.600 There were a lot of issues with that trial. 0:54:40.360 --> 0:54:47.360 The defense kind of drifted into a position where nobody 0:54:47.560 --> 0:54:52.040 knew exactly where they were going. The doctors had information 0:54:52.320 --> 0:54:56.759 that were at cross purposes with the primary defense of 0:54:56.920 --> 0:55:01.600 Sir Hand, which was a diminished capacity the defense that 0:55:01.800 --> 0:55:05.120 was not a complete psychiatric defense, but it was a 0:55:05.160 --> 0:55:09.120 partial defense to show that he wasn't one hundred percent 0:55:09.200 --> 0:55:13.920 responsible for his behavior at the time of the assassination 0:55:14.760 --> 0:55:21.799 of RFK. The testimony presented by many of the witnesses 0:55:22.360 --> 0:55:27.839 just counteracted where doctor Diamond wanted to go with his 0:55:28.120 --> 0:55:33.400 defense and left it very confusing to the jury that 0:55:33.520 --> 0:55:35.799 kind of just threw up their hands and said, this 0:55:35.840 --> 0:55:39.839 is all just psychobabble, we don't understand it, and we're 0:55:39.920 --> 0:55:40.680 going to convict. 0:55:41.480 --> 0:55:43.080 Okay, all right. 0:55:43.520 --> 0:55:49.560 So Lee Harvey Oswald is another obviously interesting character as 0:55:49.600 --> 0:55:55.480 it plays into assassins or alleged assassins of famous political 0:55:55.520 --> 0:55:59.480 leaders in this country or famous people in this country. 0:56:00.360 --> 0:56:04.200 And we never got the chance to really psychologically examine 0:56:04.280 --> 0:56:05.839 Lee Harvey Oswald, did we. 0:56:07.680 --> 0:56:08.000 See that? 0:56:08.239 --> 0:56:11.600 That's that's good point, Gary, That's probably the point in 0:56:12.000 --> 0:56:17.160 my book Breakdown, where I compare the mental status of 0:56:17.920 --> 0:56:20.800 Lee Harvey Oswald with Sir Hand. 0:56:20.880 --> 0:56:21.560 Sir Hand. 0:56:22.360 --> 0:56:25.800 What I found is that lots of people have commented 0:56:25.840 --> 0:56:30.839 over the years, including forensic psychologists and psychiatrists, concerning their 0:56:30.920 --> 0:56:36.800 individual psycho pathologies. There's been no real side by side 0:56:36.840 --> 0:56:42.440 comparison of their of their developmental behaviors. 0:56:41.840 --> 0:56:43.040 And how they got to. 0:56:44.880 --> 0:56:49.520 A particular stage where they took up firearms and wanted 0:56:49.560 --> 0:56:53.480 to kill the Kennedy brothers. In this book, I go 0:56:53.680 --> 0:56:57.080 back historically, and as you say, there hasn't been much 0:56:57.200 --> 0:57:02.640 really done in terms of an analysis or no comparison 0:57:02.719 --> 0:57:06.680 of these two individuals. So I trace it all the 0:57:06.760 --> 0:57:12.280 way back to probably about age twelve, where both of 0:57:11.520 --> 0:57:21.000 these people experienced severe psychological traumas. With Lee Harvey Oswalt, 0:57:21.080 --> 0:57:24.680 he was placed in a New York guidance center. He 0:57:24.720 --> 0:57:30.200 was evaluated by a psychiatrist, a psychologist, and a social worker, 0:57:31.120 --> 0:57:36.360 and the reports that came out concerning his behavior at 0:57:36.360 --> 0:57:42.880 the time suggested that he had violent potential, violent tendencies, 0:57:43.080 --> 0:57:46.080 was alienated, was cut off, in the strange. 0:57:45.680 --> 0:57:46.600 From other people. 0:57:47.400 --> 0:57:53.720 His psychological testing at that particular time, particularly using some 0:57:54.200 --> 0:57:59.360 psychological projective techniques, also showed that he was cut off. 0:57:59.840 --> 0:58:03.720 He was alien He was a strange from society. He 0:58:03.840 --> 0:58:08.000 was a strange from his domineering, pretty much crazy mother, 0:58:08.240 --> 0:58:12.960 Margaret Rete Oswald, who had a tremendous negative impact on 0:58:13.040 --> 0:58:16.320 his life. When you compare that then to let's look 0:58:16.360 --> 0:58:20.280 at Sirhan at age twelve, he was embroiled in the 0:58:20.320 --> 0:58:25.240 same kind of conflict that was going on in Gaza today. 0:58:25.560 --> 0:58:30.680 So there's a parallel between what happened was Sirhan's developmental 0:58:30.760 --> 0:58:36.320 years at age twelve, still living in East Palestine East 0:58:36.400 --> 0:58:41.160 Jerusalem that was later annexed as Jordan, but he saw 0:58:41.160 --> 0:58:45.880 a terrible violence. He saw people being killed, his brother 0:58:46.200 --> 0:58:49.520 was killed. He saw body parts, people blown up on 0:58:49.560 --> 0:58:52.200 the street, He saw people who. 0:58:52.200 --> 0:58:56.000 Were who were dismembered. 0:58:56.520 --> 0:59:01.440 He had tremendous psychological pressures at the same stage, same 0:59:01.600 --> 0:59:04.800 age as Lee Harvey Oswald did. 0:59:05.040 --> 0:59:07.439 Well, it's kind of no wonder that the so called 0:59:07.520 --> 0:59:10.720 Palestinian people, whomever they may be, the Arabs that call 0:59:10.800 --> 0:59:18.480 themselves Palestinian, wind up with that kind of a history, 0:59:18.880 --> 0:59:22.640 wind up electing terrorists as people to protect and to 0:59:22.760 --> 0:59:26.720 lead them. It's no big surprise, is it. 0:59:26.680 --> 0:59:27.920 It's some big surprise. 0:59:28.120 --> 0:59:33.400 And the interesting the interesting point, Gary, is that as 0:59:33.440 --> 0:59:36.720 you look back me history repeats itself. It was the 0:59:36.760 --> 0:59:43.040 same exact situation happening in Gaza after that October seventh 0:59:43.800 --> 0:59:50.080 invasion and murder of the Jewish kids at the Rock festival. 0:59:50.360 --> 0:59:54.560 It was the same kind of pathology that Sirhan faced 0:59:55.360 --> 1:00:01.080 with belligerents during the time of the occupation of the British, 1:00:01.160 --> 1:00:06.760 turning it over to NATO to become a separate country, 1:00:07.000 --> 1:00:09.960 which it did in nineteen forty seven. So there are 1:00:10.120 --> 1:00:16.040 absolute similarities between what's happening today, what happened then, and 1:00:16.200 --> 1:00:22.280 the Palestinian government franchise pretty much has remained the same 1:00:22.480 --> 1:00:27.680 as a terrorist organization devoted to Mayhem, especially. 1:00:27.160 --> 1:00:29.400 Against the Jewish population. 1:00:30.080 --> 1:00:36.080 Sirhan couldn't avoid to be indoctrinated into this ideology of 1:00:36.160 --> 1:00:37.120 hating Jews. 1:00:37.720 --> 1:00:40.040 This substream of. 1:00:40.160 --> 1:00:45.200 Thought permeated his entire behavior and was well reflected in 1:00:45.320 --> 1:00:49.280 what we talked about before, which was the trial. During 1:00:49.320 --> 1:00:54.320 the trial, several of the doctors were Jewish, including doctor Diamond, 1:00:56.280 --> 1:01:02.840 and Sir Hand continually impaled belittled the jewishness of these 1:01:02.880 --> 1:01:04.640 doctors that were actually. 1:01:04.280 --> 1:01:05.280 Trying to help him. 1:01:05.320 --> 1:01:10.840 He wanted to to to to not deal with Jewish doctors. 1:01:11.320 --> 1:01:16.240 He kept he kept calling them, you know, against him, 1:01:16.480 --> 1:01:18.560 that they were anti Palestinian. 1:01:19.160 --> 1:01:22.520 None of this was true. The team of doctors that. 1:01:22.480 --> 1:01:28.600 Were Jewish of Jewish religion wanted to help him, but 1:01:28.880 --> 1:01:32.840 because of his hatred that was engendered when he was 1:01:32.880 --> 1:01:37.800 still in Palestine, really worked at variants with his own 1:01:37.840 --> 1:01:43.880 self interest to present a defense that might reduce the 1:01:44.440 --> 1:01:48.200 charges against him to second degree murder that would allowed 1:01:48.320 --> 1:01:52.280 him to get get parole rather than convicted of first 1:01:52.360 --> 1:01:54.520 degree murder where he was sentenced to death. 1:01:54.960 --> 1:01:59.520 All right, let's flash ahead to Luigi Mangioti and the 1:02:01.000 --> 1:02:04.800 Have you found any similar patterns in his development? 1:02:06.720 --> 1:02:14.000 Luigi Mangione I call an ideology tourist. There are so 1:02:14.080 --> 1:02:18.400 many of these people floating around in society, particularly on 1:02:18.480 --> 1:02:21.720 the on the dark pages of the Internet, who are 1:02:21.760 --> 1:02:27.120 looking for causes to tie their existence to or to 1:02:27.400 --> 1:02:32.520 justify their existence. Mangione was this kind of person, as 1:02:32.640 --> 1:02:38.840 evidenced by his own manifesto, where he was anti capitalistic, 1:02:38.960 --> 1:02:46.840 He was anti American, anti healthcare obviously, so his main 1:02:46.920 --> 1:02:52.200 focus was a destruction of the US healthcare system because 1:02:52.240 --> 1:02:57.080 he felt it was a a top down system that 1:02:57.080 --> 1:03:01.680 that militated against poor people denying claims. Even on three 1:03:01.800 --> 1:03:06.800 of the bullet casings he wrote words of denied delay 1:03:06.960 --> 1:03:14.840 and deposed meaning denied UH coverage for healthcare delay services, 1:03:14.880 --> 1:03:17.960 and then in the end deposed people or take them 1:03:18.000 --> 1:03:23.040 to court to reject their their medical claims. So his 1:03:23.040 --> 1:03:27.120 his ideology kind of blinded him and sent him into 1:03:27.200 --> 1:03:28.720 this this. 1:03:29.640 --> 1:03:34.280 Separate mind state where he thought that he was the. 1:03:34.440 --> 1:03:39.880 Important, most important person in the world to be able 1:03:39.920 --> 1:03:45.160 to change things his Interestingly enough, another person that I 1:03:45.280 --> 1:03:49.160 that I talk about in my book is Ted Kazinsky, 1:03:49.280 --> 1:03:57.320 the unibomber ted Kazinsky became Mangione's hero. He he recommended 1:03:57.720 --> 1:04:06.120 he recommended reading Kazinsky's book on the Anti Society, Anti 1:04:06.200 --> 1:04:08.360 Capitalistic Society, written. 1:04:08.000 --> 1:04:09.280 Thirty years before. 1:04:10.040 --> 1:04:16.720 So his ideology kind of sprang from from the Unibomber's 1:04:16.800 --> 1:04:22.040 ideology that was kind of nihilistic to overthrow the certain 1:04:22.120 --> 1:04:26.400 factions of the country, certain factions of the government. And 1:04:26.440 --> 1:04:30.320 Mangioni picked up on this during a reading session when 1:04:30.320 --> 1:04:35.440 he was in exile in in in Hawaii where he 1:04:35.680 --> 1:04:39.800 hooked up with a commune before he committed this particular crime. 1:04:40.240 --> 1:04:43.720 Oh, you know, and the Charlie kirkshooter, would you would 1:04:43.760 --> 1:04:48.400 you regard him as another one of these ideological tourists. 1:04:49.280 --> 1:04:54.440 Yeah, I think there that with Robinson, there's a similar 1:04:54.600 --> 1:04:59.040 kind of vein of thought where he was looking for 1:04:59.360 --> 1:05:05.440 a a way to justify the kind of behavior that 1:05:05.480 --> 1:05:09.880 he was about to engage in against Charlie Kirk. There's 1:05:09.960 --> 1:05:16.640 so many factors to that Robinson case, the transsexual issue 1:05:17.960 --> 1:05:24.440 with the boyfriend, with actually what Charlie Kirk was saying 1:05:24.560 --> 1:05:30.080 at the time that he was assassinated concerning transgenderism, is 1:05:30.280 --> 1:05:35.360 probably no coincidence that this is when he fired the 1:05:35.360 --> 1:05:38.080 fatal shot that killed Charlie Kirk. 1:05:38.160 --> 1:05:38.680 So he was. 1:05:38.640 --> 1:05:42.680 Another kind of lost soul drifting out there looking for 1:05:42.800 --> 1:05:47.840 some kind of meaning. And there are literally thousands of 1:05:47.880 --> 1:05:52.120 these people who become addicted to the Internet who seek 1:05:52.240 --> 1:05:57.800 some sort of existential meaning through the Internet and as 1:05:57.840 --> 1:06:02.560 an outlet that they want to justify their behavior as 1:06:02.600 --> 1:06:08.640 being the person who's capable of taking measures into their 1:06:08.680 --> 1:06:13.120 own hands to change society. So Robinson probably had a 1:06:13.280 --> 1:06:19.640 naive belief system that by by shooting Charlie Kirk that 1:06:19.720 --> 1:06:23.280 he was actually going to change something in society, whereas 1:06:23.320 --> 1:06:27.280 in the end he just becomes a murderer, just like 1:06:27.560 --> 1:06:34.480 Luigi Mangioni did, although Manngione probably a lot more ahead 1:06:34.520 --> 1:06:39.720 in terms of IQ points orchestrated and wrote about his 1:06:40.320 --> 1:06:46.280 belief system in his manifesto that the defense attorney now 1:06:46.360 --> 1:06:51.120 in New York is trying to preclude from being used 1:06:51.160 --> 1:06:53.400 as as evidence against him. 1:06:53.880 --> 1:06:56.600 Right, Doctor Brady, I tell people all the time, I'm 1:06:56.640 --> 1:06:59.720 so glad that I've had this career in radio, so 1:06:59.760 --> 1:07:02.040 I don't feel isolated and go shoot people. 1:07:03.080 --> 1:07:03.960 I have an outlet. 1:07:04.080 --> 1:07:05.640 Yeah, well you. 1:07:05.600 --> 1:07:07.640 Can also you can also talk to me, you know, 1:07:07.680 --> 1:07:08.560 I'll talk. 1:07:08.720 --> 1:07:12.640 I appreciate that, doctor John Brady. The book is Breakdown 1:07:14.320 --> 1:07:18.920 Inside the Mind of a Killer, a forensic psychologist that 1:07:18.960 --> 1:07:20.240 we are proud to have on the program. 1:07:20.320 --> 1:07:21.600 Again. Thank you, doctor Brady. 1:07:21.880 --> 1:07:23.880 And you can get that at Trying Day. 1:07:24.640 --> 1:07:31.320 Publishers are any Day or Barnes and Noble or of 1:07:31.360 --> 1:07:35.720 course on Amazon or from my website, doctor John C. 1:07:35.880 --> 1:07:36.280 Brady. 1:07:36.440 --> 1:07:42.200 And the title the title, the title is Breakdown. That's right, 1:07:42.240 --> 1:07:44.760 all right, thank you, doctor. We got to move along, 1:07:44.800 --> 1:07:47.240 but I appreciate your time certainly, Sir. 1:07:47.480 --> 1:07:48.880 Gary, thank you so much. 1:07:49.080 --> 1:07:49.560 You got it. 1:07:49.600 --> 1:07:51.000 I hope to talk to you again soon. 1:07:51.160 --> 1:07:55.880 Okay, more Nightcap ahead in just moments. Hang on Nightcap 1:07:56.000 --> 1:08:01.560 on this Monday evening. It's seven hundred ULW Garry Jeff 1:08:01.600 --> 1:08:04.200 our little interview show we do on Monday and Tuesday 1:08:04.280 --> 1:08:08.000 nights when the Reds aren't playing baseball, and thankfully they're 1:08:08.000 --> 1:08:11.760 not so I can work and bring you fantastic guests 1:08:11.960 --> 1:08:14.440 like our next one. He is a senior science advisor 1:08:14.880 --> 1:08:19.120 at the CO two Coalition. And if you listen to 1:08:19.160 --> 1:08:21.800 this program at all over the years, you know that 1:08:22.000 --> 1:08:27.000 CO two Coalition is based in Washington, DC area. Greg 1:08:27.040 --> 1:08:32.479 Wrightstone put that together initially and today we have many 1:08:32.920 --> 1:08:36.240 Derek Shani who is again the senior Science Advisor, And 1:08:36.280 --> 1:08:39.960 the thing about the CO two coalition is that they 1:08:40.040 --> 1:08:43.519 just put together actual facts and data and they try 1:08:43.560 --> 1:08:46.640 and educate the public on what's really going on with 1:08:46.720 --> 1:08:49.960 the climate or not going on with the climate. No 1:08:50.040 --> 1:08:54.840 matter what you're told in numerous mainstream sources elsewhere, the 1:08:54.880 --> 1:08:58.439 fear mongering that has gone on, the false data, the 1:08:58.479 --> 1:09:03.080 wrong computer models, and all of that monoly. Derek Shauna 1:09:03.240 --> 1:09:06.000 is a guy who actually, Derek Shawnee is a guy 1:09:06.000 --> 1:09:12.240 who actually puts together real science based models and data 1:09:13.400 --> 1:09:17.040 to tell the public what's really going on. So it's 1:09:17.120 --> 1:09:19.599 great to have you here, and thanks for being on 1:09:19.640 --> 1:09:20.800 the show. How are you. 1:09:22.880 --> 1:09:24.800 To be great? And it's a pleasure to be here. 1:09:24.920 --> 1:09:27.080 Thank you for having me all right, fantastic. 1:09:27.200 --> 1:09:31.360 So, as a senior science advisor, we've been told over 1:09:31.400 --> 1:09:36.479 and over again the lie that most scientists agree that 1:09:36.640 --> 1:09:41.280 man made caused, fossil fueled climate change is going to 1:09:41.360 --> 1:09:45.040 kill the planet and kill us. All the actual evidence 1:09:45.280 --> 1:09:49.520 is that the Earth is greening, we're not substantially warmer 1:09:49.560 --> 1:09:55.280 than we were, and that a man made causes as 1:09:55.320 --> 1:10:02.000 far as affecting the climate are magnificant or to the 1:10:02.360 --> 1:10:07.400 point of insignificant insignificance. But yet the push is still 1:10:07.439 --> 1:10:12.320 on by these globalists and people who want the redistribution 1:10:12.479 --> 1:10:20.400 of Western wealth to support their claim. First and foremost, Bnali, No, 1:10:20.960 --> 1:10:24.479 science is not Consensus's let's get that out of the 1:10:24.520 --> 1:10:28.400 way first. There's no consensus that that man made cause 1:10:28.479 --> 1:10:31.080 global warming is going to be the downfall of it's 1:10:31.120 --> 1:10:35.360 all in the planet because consensus is not science. 1:10:35.479 --> 1:10:35.879 Correct. 1:10:37.680 --> 1:10:38.360 Absolutely. 1:10:38.600 --> 1:10:42.680 That's also Michael crichteny thanously said, if it's science, it 1:10:42.760 --> 1:10:46.360 isn't consensus, and if it's consensus, it isn't science. 1:10:47.680 --> 1:10:48.080 Yeah. 1:10:48.160 --> 1:10:51.040 So, I mean, what have you found in your most 1:10:51.080 --> 1:10:54.360 recent research? Is there any new information that the CO 1:10:54.600 --> 1:10:59.080 two coalition has put together to try and convince people 1:10:59.160 --> 1:11:02.000 that they need to be paying attention to the truth 1:11:02.160 --> 1:11:07.000 and not all of the hype and the yelling and 1:11:07.040 --> 1:11:09.040 the noise it's coming from the other side. 1:11:11.840 --> 1:11:12.040 Yeah. 1:11:12.160 --> 1:11:15.960 So, in our latest newsletter for the CO two correlition, 1:11:16.120 --> 1:11:21.160 we expose the fear mongering surrounding the coral reefs, especially 1:11:21.200 --> 1:11:26.320 the Great Barrier Reef, and the alleged effect that global 1:11:26.640 --> 1:11:30.799 warming is having on the coral reef ecosystems on the planet. 1:11:31.920 --> 1:11:33.400 So in particular, one. 1:11:33.280 --> 1:11:39.959 Of the main talking points of the climate alarmist mafia 1:11:40.600 --> 1:11:46.120 is that the Great Barrier Reef or coral reefs globally 1:11:46.320 --> 1:11:51.680 are suffering and dying off as a result of the 1:11:51.800 --> 1:11:57.880 increased planetary temperatures, allegedly due to the rising concentration of 1:11:57.920 --> 1:12:01.920 CO two in the atmosphere calls by also allegedly or 1:12:02.040 --> 1:12:05.960 caused by us actually, but in fact, if we look 1:12:05.960 --> 1:12:10.600 at the latest measurement data of coral cover for the 1:12:10.600 --> 1:12:14.800 Great Barrier Reef, we find that actually in twenty twenty 1:12:14.840 --> 1:12:22.360 five the coral cover is the highest. It's still in 1:12:22.400 --> 1:12:27.120 a record high amounts in this forty year period. It's 1:12:27.160 --> 1:12:29.439 higher than it was in nineteen eighty five, and it's 1:12:29.520 --> 1:12:32.760 higher than it was anywhere between nineteen eighty five and 1:12:33.320 --> 1:12:38.800 around two thousand twenty one or so, And so in 1:12:38.840 --> 1:12:41.120 the past four years it's in the record high in 1:12:41.439 --> 1:12:42.719 a forty year time span. 1:12:44.680 --> 1:12:48.519 But doesn't this happen over and over again in the 1:12:48.600 --> 1:12:54.360 history of our planet. Is that there are natural cycles, 1:12:54.520 --> 1:12:59.720 There are solar cycles, and there is there are periods 1:13:00.080 --> 1:13:01.760 of warming, there are periods. 1:13:01.360 --> 1:13:05.120 Of great cooling, and we have very little effect. 1:13:05.400 --> 1:13:09.240 I mean, what are the numbers that say human caused 1:13:09.280 --> 1:13:15.960 climate change is a significant contributor to what our temperatures 1:13:16.000 --> 1:13:18.400 are and what the Earth does. It seems to me 1:13:19.040 --> 1:13:22.800 like things like the Great Barrier Reef that you just referenced, 1:13:22.920 --> 1:13:27.400 which is now a record high in production, is that 1:13:27.920 --> 1:13:30.800 this is a cycle that has occurred over time, over 1:13:30.840 --> 1:13:32.000 and over and over again. 1:13:32.560 --> 1:13:36.080 Right, that's absolutely correct. 1:13:36.120 --> 1:13:38.840 And in fact, you see that in the temperature in 1:13:38.920 --> 1:13:44.240 this coral reef cover data records from going forty years back. 1:13:44.680 --> 1:13:47.360 You see that it fluctuates. 1:13:46.880 --> 1:13:51.240 It oscillates around different values, and now it so happens 1:13:51.280 --> 1:13:52.280 that it's gone up. 1:13:52.640 --> 1:13:54.240 And there's a certain reason for that. 1:13:54.320 --> 1:13:58.679 A good reason for that because corals actually like warmer weather. 1:13:58.880 --> 1:14:04.080 They thrive in higher temperatures. They grow faster and higher temperatures, 1:14:04.160 --> 1:14:07.519 and that's also what we see in the Great Barrier Reef. 1:14:08.160 --> 1:14:10.880 The warmer areas of the Great Barrier Reef, an area 1:14:10.880 --> 1:14:16.040 of around one hundred and thirty thousand square miles. The 1:14:16.080 --> 1:14:19.479 growth rates are faster in the warmer areas and slower in. 1:14:19.479 --> 1:14:24.599 The colder areas. And the temperature. 1:14:24.080 --> 1:14:27.960 Of the planet of planet Earth indeed does vary on 1:14:28.080 --> 1:14:31.920 its own, independently of what humans are doing, and there's 1:14:31.960 --> 1:14:36.280 no evidence that the warming over the past forty five 1:14:36.400 --> 1:14:41.879 or fifty years, or even two hundred years has anything 1:14:41.920 --> 1:14:45.559 to do with the or anything any thing meaningful to 1:14:45.560 --> 1:14:48.200 do with the amount of CO two that we are 1:14:48.240 --> 1:14:51.400 putting into the atmosphere through the burden of fossil fuels. 1:14:51.760 --> 1:14:55.840 There are many other factors that dominate control over planetary 1:14:55.880 --> 1:15:02.599 temperatures of Earth, mainly water, vapor clouds, the amount of 1:15:03.120 --> 1:15:06.519 heat that's put the positives into the atmosphere from various 1:15:06.560 --> 1:15:13.320 ocean cycles like Almino and other ocean cycle processes. All 1:15:13.360 --> 1:15:16.200 of these factors play a much much larger role in 1:15:16.439 --> 1:15:20.560 controlling or regulating or changing the temperatures of the planet 1:15:20.720 --> 1:15:23.519 then we do through burning fossil fields. 1:15:23.600 --> 1:15:26.679 We keep hearing from all these loud, shrill voices around 1:15:26.800 --> 1:15:31.439 us that are promoting this man made climate change, that 1:15:32.479 --> 1:15:37.440 hurricanes and tornadoes and weather is becoming more and more extreme. 1:15:38.400 --> 1:15:41.559 What does the actual data show on that. 1:15:43.400 --> 1:15:46.320 The actual data shows that to the extent that we 1:15:46.400 --> 1:15:50.679 have data on this, from say satellite records, or from 1:15:51.360 --> 1:15:55.160 counts or measures of the intensity of hurricanes. Going back 1:15:55.920 --> 1:15:59.400 one hundred years, we find that the data actually shows 1:15:59.439 --> 1:16:05.160 that there's been no real discernible change in hurricanes or tornadoes, 1:16:05.760 --> 1:16:10.240 or tropical storms or anything like that. And this is 1:16:10.280 --> 1:16:13.200 even admitted, by the way, by the National Ocean and 1:16:13.240 --> 1:16:18.560 Atmospheric Administration during the Vibing Administration on their own website, 1:16:18.640 --> 1:16:23.040 they do a detailed study of how hurricane number and 1:16:23.640 --> 1:16:27.400 intensity has changed going back one hundred plus years, and 1:16:27.439 --> 1:16:30.599 they conclude that there is no evidence of any increase 1:16:31.439 --> 1:16:36.719 in hurricane activity or in the hurricane intensity over this time. 1:16:36.760 --> 1:16:40.559 Spin we're talking to Minelli Derek Shawnee from the CO 1:16:40.760 --> 1:16:46.439 two Coalition. Now, I've heard in previous discussions with doctor 1:16:46.479 --> 1:16:51.000 Wrightstone and others that we actually have a period of 1:16:51.120 --> 1:16:57.360 greening going on across the globe, that crop production is 1:16:57.439 --> 1:17:01.160 up in many cases, and that the planet is becoming greener. 1:17:01.960 --> 1:17:04.120 Which I don't see that as I don't see that 1:17:04.160 --> 1:17:08.799 as something that bodes ill for the ecosystem or the Earth, 1:17:08.920 --> 1:17:12.400 do you, guys, I mean, what have you found. 1:17:12.200 --> 1:17:12.960 Out about that? 1:17:15.400 --> 1:17:20.000 Indeed the planet has been greening. The amount of vegetation, 1:17:20.920 --> 1:17:26.400 plant life, trees, globally, cover of vegetation has been going 1:17:26.479 --> 1:17:30.799 up substantially over the past forty plus years as measured 1:17:30.840 --> 1:17:34.160 by satellites and even NASA amidst this, that this has 1:17:34.200 --> 1:17:39.679 been happening, and that predominantly this is because humans are 1:17:40.000 --> 1:17:43.519 increasing the concentration of CO two in the atmosphere. 1:17:43.120 --> 1:17:44.479 Through the burning of fossil fields. 1:17:45.120 --> 1:17:49.240 More vegetation, more plant life means there's more food that 1:17:49.439 --> 1:17:52.839 can be grown. There's more farmable land on the planet. 1:17:53.280 --> 1:17:56.680 Places that couldn't be farmed before now can be. They 1:17:56.720 --> 1:18:02.479 can produce agriculture there, And in general, there's nothing wrong 1:18:02.560 --> 1:18:04.080 with having a greener planet. 1:18:04.880 --> 1:18:05.880 It's actually a good thing. 1:18:05.920 --> 1:18:08.400 There's no reason to think that that produces any sort 1:18:08.439 --> 1:18:11.639 of harm to human well being or for that matter, 1:18:11.720 --> 1:18:14.720 to animal well being. If anything, it helps the animals too, 1:18:15.200 --> 1:18:17.360 because they have a plenty more food to eat. 1:18:18.120 --> 1:18:22.360 But isn't it also true that the warming that has 1:18:22.439 --> 1:18:27.000 been occurring, say during the last two hundred years or whatever, 1:18:27.280 --> 1:18:30.760 has been very gradual and not drastic. Some of their 1:18:30.880 --> 1:18:34.640 computer modeling, and I say there, I'm talking about the 1:18:34.680 --> 1:18:39.320 other side of this issue, has told them that we'd 1:18:39.320 --> 1:18:43.800 have a three point five person I don't know, I 1:18:43.800 --> 1:18:47.080 don't know the exact numbers on it, but they projected 1:18:47.920 --> 1:18:51.320 the temperatures to be warming much more than they have been, 1:18:51.680 --> 1:18:54.559 and their predictions have always been wrong because they're based 1:18:54.600 --> 1:18:56.960 on bad computer modeling. 1:18:57.479 --> 1:18:59.799 What have you guys found for your own. 1:18:59.680 --> 1:19:05.439 Data, Well, we've found the very same thing. That the 1:19:05.479 --> 1:19:12.920 computer models overwhelmingly do not correctly describe past changes in 1:19:13.160 --> 1:19:16.920 global temperature, and nor do they predict future changes in 1:19:16.960 --> 1:19:20.960 global temperature accurately at all. And a big part of 1:19:21.000 --> 1:19:26.280 the reason for this is because these models they assume that, 1:19:26.360 --> 1:19:30.000 in addition to carbon dioxide warming the planet, they assume 1:19:30.120 --> 1:19:36.639 that water in the atmosphere significantly enhances the warming from 1:19:36.760 --> 1:19:40.280 CO two in the atmosphere. And when we compare that 1:19:40.360 --> 1:19:43.880 assumption and the predictions of these models to data from 1:19:44.120 --> 1:19:48.599 satellite measurements of the temperature of the lower atmosphere, from 1:19:48.640 --> 1:19:51.360 weather balloon measurements is the temperature of the lower atmosphere, 1:19:51.360 --> 1:19:54.160 and other data sets, we find that the actual rate 1:19:54.200 --> 1:19:57.879 of warming is much slower than what these models predict. 1:19:58.680 --> 1:19:59.880 And these models, also, by. 1:19:59.840 --> 1:20:04.320 The way, don't even accurately model or account for the 1:20:04.320 --> 1:20:10.760 influence of internal variations of the climate, like due to 1:20:11.760 --> 1:20:15.240 ocean cycles that I mentioned earlier, nor nor. 1:20:15.200 --> 1:20:17.640 The influence of water in the atmosphere. 1:20:17.760 --> 1:20:21.679 So these models are essentially scientifically, I would say, useless 1:20:21.720 --> 1:20:26.880 for the purpose of explaining temperature changes globally or even 1:20:26.920 --> 1:20:28.679 predicting temperature changes globally. 1:20:29.320 --> 1:20:31.360 Well, exactly how science should be done. 1:20:31.479 --> 1:20:36.360 No, there's a difference between science and actual facts that 1:20:36.400 --> 1:20:42.400 you can document and predictions that aren't based in science. 1:20:43.520 --> 1:20:47.440 And it doesn't relate to your work, the CO two coalition. 1:20:47.840 --> 1:20:52.280 But it's the same thing. I remember post COVID what 1:20:52.439 --> 1:20:58.040 Fauci said. He said about the about the six foot rule. Well, 1:20:58.320 --> 1:21:00.880 you know, after they were preaching it was science. It 1:21:00.920 --> 1:21:02.959 was science. You had to have six feet of separation 1:21:03.080 --> 1:21:06.080 to stay safe from the virus. When they said, Brian, 1:21:06.280 --> 1:21:09.280 he said later, that's just something we kind of decided on. 1:21:09.360 --> 1:21:11.439 We just kind of made it up and put it 1:21:11.479 --> 1:21:15.320 out there as science. It's the same thing in many 1:21:15.400 --> 1:21:19.240 cases with these climate mafia people, is it not. 1:21:22.080 --> 1:21:23.439 It's exactly the same thing. 1:21:23.600 --> 1:21:29.879 For example, this IPCCUN proclamation that we have to avoid 1:21:31.240 --> 1:21:34.200 one more degree celsius of warming or two more degrees 1:21:34.280 --> 1:21:38.000 celsius of warming otherwise something catastrophically bad will happen to 1:21:38.040 --> 1:21:41.040 the human race. That's completely made up. In the same 1:21:41.040 --> 1:21:44.240 way that the Fauci six foot separation thing is it 1:21:44.280 --> 1:21:48.759 has no scientific basis whatsoever, and yet it's a complete 1:21:48.840 --> 1:21:54.000 application for political purposes to scare the public into accepting 1:21:54.040 --> 1:21:59.640 all of these drastic totalitarian controls on our economies, on 1:21:59.640 --> 1:22:01.120 our lives, and so on. 1:22:01.560 --> 1:22:05.160 Well, there's someone who's been involved with science all their lives, 1:22:05.479 --> 1:22:11.720 which I'm assuming you have, you know that science is 1:22:11.760 --> 1:22:14.840 not consensus, like we talked about earlier. And you also 1:22:15.000 --> 1:22:21.479 know that whoever's paying for the study will get the 1:22:21.520 --> 1:22:28.080 results that they want with sometimes very shoddy information and 1:22:28.200 --> 1:22:29.280 data to back it up. 1:22:29.479 --> 1:22:33.200 Right, That's exactly right. 1:22:33.280 --> 1:22:37.639 And in the case of climate science, it became heavily 1:22:37.720 --> 1:22:41.720 politicized in the nineteen eighties by Al Gore, the Democrats 1:22:41.760 --> 1:22:46.040 and activists. Climate scientists like James Hansen and even Carl 1:22:46.080 --> 1:22:50.479 Sagan is guilty of contributing to this, and ever since 1:22:50.880 --> 1:22:55.680 it became politicized government funding for climate science research as 1:22:55.760 --> 1:23:01.920 long as it promotes the narrative that man made CO 1:23:02.160 --> 1:23:06.799 two emissions are causing catastrophic global warming. As long as 1:23:06.840 --> 1:23:09.960 the research supports that narrative, they get tons of funding, 1:23:10.040 --> 1:23:13.439 millions and millions of dollars in government funding. So when 1:23:13.439 --> 1:23:17.200 you have a politicized science like this. Of course, much 1:23:17.240 --> 1:23:20.240 of the science is going to say a lot of 1:23:20.240 --> 1:23:23.599 this propaganda, and it's not going to be about searching 1:23:23.680 --> 1:23:27.559 for the truth. It's going to be about saying what 1:23:28.439 --> 1:23:32.040 the ex saying the narrative that is going to lead 1:23:32.080 --> 1:23:35.519 to more funding and the thay, that's what we've been 1:23:35.600 --> 1:23:37.400 seeing for the last forty something years. 1:23:37.479 --> 1:23:40.840 Sure, it's all about the Benny's all about the Benjamins. 1:23:41.160 --> 1:23:45.160 And well, I really appreciate your time. Again, if people 1:23:45.160 --> 1:23:48.040 want to find out more, You've got several great learning 1:23:48.120 --> 1:23:53.040 resources I know at the CO two Coalition. Tell folks 1:23:53.080 --> 1:23:57.400 where they might find out more information in your latest 1:23:57.479 --> 1:24:00.679 data and finding because science is changing all the time 1:24:00.760 --> 1:24:04.559 and we discover new things almost every day. To say 1:24:04.600 --> 1:24:08.240 something is set the science is set is a misnomer 1:24:08.280 --> 1:24:12.200 as well. So if you would please, mister Derek Shannie, 1:24:12.520 --> 1:24:14.559 give us a give us a hint on where we 1:24:14.600 --> 1:24:15.479 can find out more. 1:24:17.840 --> 1:24:22.040 I would encourage everyone to visit our website CO two 1:24:22.520 --> 1:24:27.680 Coalition dot org so COO number two Coalition all one 1:24:27.800 --> 1:24:31.719 word dot org, and there you can find information about 1:24:32.120 --> 1:24:37.400 our organization, information about myself, information about the founders, the 1:24:37.560 --> 1:24:41.200 Board of directors and also all of our scientific and 1:24:41.320 --> 1:24:43.280 non scientific publications. 1:24:44.200 --> 1:24:45.000 Thank you so much. 1:24:45.040 --> 1:24:47.040 Of course, welcome feedback from your audience. 1:24:47.320 --> 1:24:50.280 Thank you so much, and I encourage everyone to go. 1:24:50.360 --> 1:24:56.719 It's a wonderful website and there's so much real information there. Man, Alie, Derek, Shaanne, 1:24:56.880 --> 1:24:58.559 thank you so much. And I hope it didn't mangle 1:24:58.600 --> 1:24:59.040 your name to. 1:24:59.120 --> 1:25:01.880 Ben, not at all. Thank you. 1:25:01.840 --> 1:25:04.160 It was my pleasure, all right, sir. Take care. 1:25:04.720 --> 1:25:06.840 It is a nightcap and we will finish off with 1:25:06.880 --> 1:25:09.960 the with the wild Man coming up in just a 1:25:09.960 --> 1:25:14.040 few minutes. Hang on, and I think we're about ready 1:25:14.080 --> 1:25:18.840 to light the candle and I'll let him blow. It's 1:25:19.320 --> 1:25:22.720 it's time to finish this nightcap with the wild Man. 1:25:22.800 --> 1:25:25.640 Wild Man, Walker is back for another bite at the 1:25:25.680 --> 1:25:28.040 apple if he's done chewing his bacon. 1:25:28.720 --> 1:25:30.120 Wild Man, what's going on? 1:25:30.240 --> 1:25:33.200 Man, I'm just chilling. 1:25:33.320 --> 1:25:33.479 Man. 1:25:33.560 --> 1:25:36.400 You know, I'm happy about the UC Bearcats. I'm happy 1:25:36.400 --> 1:25:39.320 about the Bengals. With that big win over the Steelers, 1:25:39.640 --> 1:25:40.320 all is good. 1:25:41.200 --> 1:25:44.439 So I mean, yeah that let's let's dissect that big 1:25:44.479 --> 1:25:48.080 win over the Steelers. Now five days, hence we've had 1:25:48.240 --> 1:25:50.599 plenty of time to hear all the other pundits talk 1:25:50.680 --> 1:25:52.640 about what went on or what didn't go on in 1:25:52.680 --> 1:25:55.080 the game and how Joe Flacca is now going to 1:25:55.120 --> 1:25:57.479 lead the Bengals to the Super Bowl. I've heard enough 1:25:57.479 --> 1:26:04.640 of that nonsense. But what what happened right? And what 1:26:04.760 --> 1:26:06.280 are the Bengals still need to work on? 1:26:06.360 --> 1:26:06.920 Wild Man? 1:26:07.439 --> 1:26:09.439 What happened right? They were able to run the ball, 1:26:09.600 --> 1:26:12.280 you know, and anybody knows anything about football, it's elementary. 1:26:12.360 --> 1:26:14.840 Do you run the football sets up the past. The 1:26:14.880 --> 1:26:16.679 offensive line has done a good job in the last 1:26:16.720 --> 1:26:21.120 two games opening up holes for Chase Brown, so that's 1:26:21.160 --> 1:26:24.040 a good thing. They had a record day. I mean, 1:26:24.080 --> 1:26:27.400 they were like dead last in the NFL and rushing. 1:26:28.080 --> 1:26:29.360 But I believe they had over one. 1:26:29.280 --> 1:26:32.799 Hundred plus yards in that game. And then also protected 1:26:32.880 --> 1:26:35.920 Joe Flacco, who gets the ball out quick. And hey, 1:26:36.040 --> 1:26:37.840 when you got a guy like Jamar Chase and you 1:26:37.920 --> 1:26:40.040 got a guy like t Higgins, get th ou of 1:26:40.080 --> 1:26:42.720 those guys and they can't cover both of them, you know, 1:26:42.720 --> 1:26:43.880 at the same time they try. 1:26:44.200 --> 1:26:44.960 That's why you have. 1:26:45.320 --> 1:26:49.360 Jose of this, and you got a fans you to 1:26:49.439 --> 1:26:52.360 throw those guys, and then Joe Flacco was smart enough 1:26:52.360 --> 1:26:54.880 to do that, and you just mentioned about Joe Flacco 1:26:55.000 --> 1:26:58.000 leading the Bengals to the Super Bowl, and I've read 1:26:58.000 --> 1:27:00.840 a bunch of nonsense to a Joe and you still 1:27:00.840 --> 1:27:03.000 got the talking heads and they have no idea what 1:27:03.040 --> 1:27:05.960 a turftow injury is about. Joe Burrow could be back 1:27:05.960 --> 1:27:07.760 in the summer. Joe Burrow is not going to take 1:27:07.800 --> 1:27:09.160 one snap of the rest of the way. It's not 1:27:09.200 --> 1:27:11.320 going to happen. It's not going to happen. That injury 1:27:11.520 --> 1:27:14.920 is too severe. That's why Dion Sanders had to retire. 1:27:15.120 --> 1:27:18.240 But let's say Joe Flacco gets us to the playoffs. 1:27:18.560 --> 1:27:21.519 You ride Joe Flacco. Go back and look at the 1:27:21.560 --> 1:27:24.559 history of Earl Morrile, who led the Baltimore Coltch to 1:27:24.600 --> 1:27:27.120 the NFL championship before they played the Jets. 1:27:27.360 --> 1:27:28.680 He replaced Johnny. 1:27:28.439 --> 1:27:31.040 Unitas and he also did the same thing in Miami 1:27:31.080 --> 1:27:34.839 in seventy two, replacing Bob Greasy and getting into the playoffs, 1:27:34.880 --> 1:27:36.240 and then he put Greasey. 1:27:35.840 --> 1:27:36.800 In, who was healthy. 1:27:36.840 --> 1:27:39.200 I mean, Johnny U was pretty much a shell of themself. 1:27:39.400 --> 1:27:42.280 So Joe Flacco is more than capable, but it takes 1:27:42.280 --> 1:27:44.120 a whole team to do it, you know, do what 1:27:44.160 --> 1:27:48.160 we hope they can do. Now, what's the band side. 1:27:48.280 --> 1:27:51.040 Ben will still have a hard problem tackling and also 1:27:51.120 --> 1:27:53.720 stopping to run. I mean they still have a hard 1:27:53.760 --> 1:27:56.040 time stopping the run. And there's some of their tackling 1:27:56.160 --> 1:27:58.280 is like, oh my god. Do they teach these guys 1:27:58.439 --> 1:28:00.680 how to tackle in high school? Do they teach him 1:28:00.680 --> 1:28:02.960 at Pop Warner? I mean, they get to the NFL, 1:28:03.520 --> 1:28:05.280 you should learn how to tackle. I'll go back to 1:28:05.320 --> 1:28:07.680 the old thing that Pete Rose used to say. If 1:28:07.720 --> 1:28:09.680 I have to teach you how to bunt, then you 1:28:09.680 --> 1:28:12.080 don't belong in the major leagues. And that's the why 1:28:12.080 --> 1:28:13.840 I look at it this way. You should know how 1:28:13.880 --> 1:28:14.479 to tackle. 1:28:15.040 --> 1:28:17.080 I agree, you know, And that is one of the 1:28:17.120 --> 1:28:21.120 most frustrating things about watching the Cincinnati Bengals over the 1:28:21.160 --> 1:28:25.360 last well gosh, as long as I can remember, they've 1:28:25.400 --> 1:28:29.200 had a hard problem getting guys who can wrap a 1:28:29.240 --> 1:28:31.880 guy up and bring him down. And there are a 1:28:31.880 --> 1:28:35.280 lot of powerful backs that the Bengals have played and 1:28:35.360 --> 1:28:38.960 will play the rest of the season. You mentioned the 1:28:39.760 --> 1:28:44.040 running game last Thursday night. The Bengals went from two 1:28:44.080 --> 1:28:47.080 point seven yards to carry I think to six point 1:28:47.120 --> 1:28:52.880 one in that game, which enabled Joe Flacco to do 1:28:52.960 --> 1:28:56.639 those chunk play passes and Lamar Chase, I mean, Jamar 1:28:56.760 --> 1:29:01.519 Chase look had broke a Bengals record sixteen receptions. No 1:29:01.640 --> 1:29:05.120 Bengals receiver has ever had sixteen receptions in a game. 1:29:05.840 --> 1:29:08.200 And I run, I run out of words, Gary Jeff 1:29:08.800 --> 1:29:11.920 for Jamar Chase. How great that guy is? I mean 1:29:12.160 --> 1:29:15.280 we may be looking, but the greatest Bengal ever. I mean, 1:29:15.479 --> 1:29:17.439 there's an argument there down the road here and there, 1:29:17.520 --> 1:29:20.640 but right now, Jamar Chase, it's unreal the stuff that 1:29:20.640 --> 1:29:22.360 he can do. And you know, not only does he 1:29:22.439 --> 1:29:24.960 catch the passes, but he breaks the tackles. And once 1:29:25.000 --> 1:29:26.960 he breaks that tackle, if you don't get him down 1:29:26.960 --> 1:29:28.280 the first time, he's gone. 1:29:28.840 --> 1:29:32.280 And plus because he is so good and directs so 1:29:32.400 --> 1:29:36.639 much that the other team's focus on him, it opens up. 1:29:36.520 --> 1:29:38.720 The drawer for t Higgins. 1:29:38.840 --> 1:29:43.479 T Higgins and Josevac and Fant and anybody else who's 1:29:43.720 --> 1:29:46.600 you know, able to catch a ball. For the Bengals 1:29:47.160 --> 1:29:50.080 that you know what, they have lots of room to 1:29:50.160 --> 1:29:53.639 move if everybody is going to focus on Number one 1:29:53.960 --> 1:29:54.719 the whole game. 1:29:55.439 --> 1:29:57.040 Now, I'll be honest with you. I'll be honest with 1:29:57.080 --> 1:29:58.880 you. You know that man went back and forth, and it 1:29:59.000 --> 1:30:00.760 was it was really a game the ages, I mean 1:30:01.160 --> 1:30:03.479 people people that went to the game, after people. 1:30:04.720 --> 1:30:05.080 It was. 1:30:05.160 --> 1:30:07.920 It was when money Back went to kick the field goal. 1:30:08.200 --> 1:30:09.120 I really didn't want to. 1:30:09.120 --> 1:30:12.800 Watch because I remember last year he missed a couple 1:30:12.840 --> 1:30:14.600 of them and it cost us the game. But he 1:30:15.280 --> 1:30:17.519 was so far this year he's really been, he's been. 1:30:17.479 --> 1:30:20.240 He's been back a wild man. 1:30:20.280 --> 1:30:22.559 It was one of those moments where you see the 1:30:22.600 --> 1:30:25.240 guy with a hand over his face and he just 1:30:25.360 --> 1:30:28.000 opens up his fingers a little bit so I can 1:30:28.040 --> 1:30:32.400 peek out of one eye to say God please, you know. 1:30:32.520 --> 1:30:34.360 And then of course, and then Rogers at the end, 1:30:34.439 --> 1:30:37.760 because knowing has reputation, you know in Hail Mary games. 1:30:37.880 --> 1:30:40.160 He gets enough time to flink in seventy yards and 1:30:40.200 --> 1:30:42.880 the ball's sailing and you're thinking, oh no, and our 1:30:42.960 --> 1:30:45.320 guys are smart enough. I think it was Jordan that 1:30:45.520 --> 1:30:47.360 got him and knock the ball down. Don't try to 1:30:47.360 --> 1:30:48.479 catch it, knock it down. 1:30:48.880 --> 1:30:49.560 Absolutely. 1:30:49.800 --> 1:30:52.800 I mean it was a storybook kind of ending, and 1:30:52.840 --> 1:30:55.280 the wide out at Bay Corps and the whole thing 1:30:56.320 --> 1:31:00.559 very very raucous. The crowd was into it. I'm at home, 1:31:00.880 --> 1:31:06.120 I'm into it. Uh And Obviously the Bengals were into 1:31:06.160 --> 1:31:08.600 it enough to beat a division rival. You know what 1:31:08.640 --> 1:31:11.240 they haven't They haven't lost a game in the Division 1:31:11.880 --> 1:31:13.479 two and oh in the Vision. Now they got the 1:31:13.520 --> 1:31:16.439 Jets coming to town and they absolutely stink oh and seven. 1:31:16.760 --> 1:31:18.760 I don't know how long they'll stay with their head 1:31:18.760 --> 1:31:21.360 coach there. You can't look past the Jets because you 1:31:21.400 --> 1:31:23.880 know the old saying on any given Sunday. But the 1:31:23.920 --> 1:31:26.680 Bengals are going to be well rested, and now they're 1:31:26.720 --> 1:31:27.840 going to stick it to the Jets. 1:31:28.000 --> 1:31:30.400 And then you bring the Bears in here. The Bears 1:31:30.360 --> 1:31:32.719 are not too bad and they can beat the Bears. 1:31:32.720 --> 1:31:34.200 They go into the bye week with a three game 1:31:34.200 --> 1:31:36.240 winning streak and I a lot of people will be 1:31:36.800 --> 1:31:37.840 really happy around here. 1:31:38.439 --> 1:31:41.880 So do Thursday game turn you around on the Bengals season? 1:31:42.800 --> 1:31:45.160 No, not yet, No, no, because there's still there's still 1:31:45.160 --> 1:31:49.960 some there's still some problems there, consistency, especially, you know, 1:31:50.000 --> 1:31:52.439 I want to see the old line just continue to 1:31:52.439 --> 1:31:55.720 do what they did, whatever they've done to correct things, Uh, 1:31:56.200 --> 1:31:58.719 continue to go. They put a new player in there, 1:31:58.840 --> 1:32:00.559 and you know you mentioned about tax and they took 1:32:01.479 --> 1:32:03.280 Brett out of there, out of the lineup. And set 1:32:03.360 --> 1:32:05.760 him on the bench because this tackle, he couldn't tackle me. 1:32:07.320 --> 1:32:09.680 Well, you're a lot slower than you used to be, 1:32:09.760 --> 1:32:10.639 wild Man. 1:32:10.720 --> 1:32:14.960 But still he still can't tackle me. He's terrible at tackling, terrible. 1:32:15.360 --> 1:32:18.200 And I was I wasn't surprised that Taylor Bread was 1:32:18.240 --> 1:32:18.919 on the sidelines. 1:32:21.000 --> 1:32:23.080 It's hard to get your hands around the wild Man 1:32:23.120 --> 1:32:25.519 and his scooter. You got to give him that. That's right, 1:32:25.840 --> 1:32:31.880 that's right, all right. So that being said, you have 1:32:32.680 --> 1:32:35.760 these two games you talked about. The Bengals are at home, 1:32:36.439 --> 1:32:40.920 they're playing the Jets, They're playing the Bears, and if 1:32:40.960 --> 1:32:43.639 they won both, if they won both games, they're above 1:32:43.680 --> 1:32:46.120 five hundred. Now when a lot of people like me 1:32:46.280 --> 1:32:48.400 gave up on the season completely. 1:32:48.160 --> 1:32:51.160 Because yes, five and four and going into the bye week, 1:32:51.200 --> 1:32:54.680 and then the next game after that is the uh 1:32:54.760 --> 1:32:56.960 is that Pittsburgh And the game after that is back 1:32:57.000 --> 1:32:59.760 home against New England and who are who are very 1:32:59.800 --> 1:33:02.799 good team with a coach that knows how to do things. 1:33:02.800 --> 1:33:05.200 But let's not put the car before the horse. Let's 1:33:05.200 --> 1:33:08.280 win this game on Sunday. There's no doubt, there is 1:33:08.320 --> 1:33:10.360 no doubt in my mind, the Bengals will beat the chests, 1:33:10.400 --> 1:33:12.920 whether they cover, who knows. I don't bet the Bengals. 1:33:12.960 --> 1:33:14.840 I refuse to bet the Bengals because when I do, 1:33:14.920 --> 1:33:17.160 I get burned every time. But the Bengals will beat 1:33:17.160 --> 1:33:18.160 the Chats on Sunday. 1:33:18.200 --> 1:33:23.080 Do you think do you think that the coach of 1:33:23.200 --> 1:33:26.120 the Dolphins will still be with Miami when they face 1:33:26.200 --> 1:33:27.639 the Bengals later this season? 1:33:28.400 --> 1:33:32.280 Daniel, Yeah, that's the four hundred and fifty thousand dollars question. 1:33:32.360 --> 1:33:35.000 That guy looks like a homeless guy the way he dresses. 1:33:35.360 --> 1:33:38.200 People talk about me and me my T shirt and shorts. 1:33:38.200 --> 1:33:40.160 That guy, you don't have them go coaching. 1:33:40.360 --> 1:33:41.439 He looks like he's homeless. 1:33:41.560 --> 1:33:43.680 I mean, Belichick used to wear the hoodie and won 1:33:43.760 --> 1:33:46.920 Super Bowls, So you can't really base yourself on how 1:33:46.960 --> 1:33:49.960 the coach dresses. But and that's the other problem the 1:33:49.960 --> 1:33:52.320 Bengals have. Zach Taylor is still the head coach, so 1:33:53.439 --> 1:33:53.760 you know. 1:33:54.160 --> 1:33:57.640 Well, and the game said, Zach Taylor just needs you know, 1:33:57.760 --> 1:33:59.920 just don't try to get cute. Just continue to coach 1:34:00.080 --> 1:34:02.439 way he's been coaching. And don't try to get too cute, 1:34:02.520 --> 1:34:04.680 because I mean to start getting r too cute, get 1:34:04.720 --> 1:34:07.320 too cute, you end up losing, just you know, just 1:34:07.400 --> 1:34:09.719 go with what's getting you there, don't you know, don't deviate, 1:34:09.880 --> 1:34:12.920 don't change horses in midstream. You've heard that line before 1:34:13.080 --> 1:34:14.800 and that you know and that that applies to a 1:34:14.840 --> 1:34:17.280 lot of things in life. But you know, to stay 1:34:17.320 --> 1:34:19.000 with what you got, man, you know, stay with what 1:34:19.040 --> 1:34:19.360 you got. 1:34:19.400 --> 1:34:22.120 What you got there is Showy O Tani, the new 1:34:22.640 --> 1:34:25.200 Reggie Jackson, the new mister October wild Man. 1:34:25.760 --> 1:34:28.400 Oh well, Shoe Atani is you know, is in a 1:34:28.479 --> 1:34:32.040 world of his own. But I'm really heat right now. 1:34:32.520 --> 1:34:34.680 I don't know if he's the best player in baseball 1:34:34.960 --> 1:34:38.560 because he doesn't play a position. Okay, he's a designated 1:34:38.600 --> 1:34:41.160 hitter and he's a picture now and man, he doesn't 1:34:41.200 --> 1:34:44.760 play a position. And I've heard people say, well, he's 1:34:44.800 --> 1:34:47.800 the greatest player ever when he when he retires with 1:34:47.840 --> 1:34:51.280 a lifetime battan average above three forty two, the you 1:34:51.320 --> 1:34:54.040 come call me, okay, because that's Babe Bruce lifetime battan 1:34:54.080 --> 1:34:57.840 average three forty two, seven hundred and fourteen home runs, 1:34:58.000 --> 1:35:00.920 fifteen World Series home runs. I mean, guys, save the game. 1:35:01.120 --> 1:35:01.880 There. 1:35:02.040 --> 1:35:05.960 You know, there's an old black Sparky Anderson. And to 1:35:06.000 --> 1:35:08.200 ask me about Thurmont Months and a Johnny Bench. He said, 1:35:08.360 --> 1:35:11.200 don't embarrassed, sermon monson trying to compare him to Johnny Bench. 1:35:11.400 --> 1:35:16.720 And this is the same thing, to embarrass uh Shoani 1:35:16.800 --> 1:35:19.280 trying to compare him to Babe Us is the police, 1:35:19.320 --> 1:35:20.800 the police wild man. 1:35:20.840 --> 1:35:24.040 Here's the thing that I've always thought, and it drives 1:35:24.080 --> 1:35:29.320 me nuts every every time somebody puts these superlatives on players, 1:35:29.400 --> 1:35:32.360 any player from any era, they're the best ever there. 1:35:32.400 --> 1:35:37.320 The goat is that in every era the game is 1:35:37.320 --> 1:35:41.679 is different. It's it's it's similar, but it's different. There 1:35:41.680 --> 1:35:45.799 are different challenges, there are different factors that go into 1:35:45.800 --> 1:35:48.959 determining who's who's really good. 1:35:48.920 --> 1:35:50.360 At any one given time. 1:35:50.720 --> 1:35:54.320 I mean, did you ever imagine that the major league average, 1:35:55.439 --> 1:35:59.719 major league batting average would be accepted at like two 1:35:59.760 --> 1:36:01.000 four and. 1:36:00.880 --> 1:36:04.800 That's I think it's more like two sixty. But still 1:36:04.800 --> 1:36:06.200 that's pathetic, I know, I know. 1:36:06.880 --> 1:36:10.479 So you know, it's like the comparisons with Lebron James 1:36:10.479 --> 1:36:14.760 and Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan is still the goat. He's 1:36:14.800 --> 1:36:18.640 still the greatest of all time. You and I were 1:36:18.680 --> 1:36:23.360 talking about this, uh before tonight, and here's the thing. 1:36:23.840 --> 1:36:27.800 This is a it's nothing to diminish Lebron James. You know, 1:36:27.960 --> 1:36:30.800 he'd be he'd be a good sixth or seventh man 1:36:30.880 --> 1:36:34.120 on my my team of all time NBA Greats. But 1:36:34.200 --> 1:36:36.840 he's not going to surpass Michael. He's not going to 1:36:36.880 --> 1:36:41.719 surpass Mike, Magic Johnson or Larry Bird. You know, there's 1:36:41.800 --> 1:36:49.360 Kobe Bryant, There's Shack I mean, Will Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, 1:36:49.520 --> 1:36:54.200 I mean, come on, yeah, Oscar Robertson. Lebron James is 1:36:54.479 --> 1:36:59.400 Jarry West. Lebron James is this generation's goat, but he's 1:36:59.439 --> 1:37:02.920 not the He's not the greatest of all time. And 1:37:02.960 --> 1:37:07.760 the reason, the reason that Michael Jordan will always be 1:37:07.760 --> 1:37:12.080 better than Lebron James in my mind, is because he 1:37:12.200 --> 1:37:18.200 truly made the players around him better better every single 1:37:18.520 --> 1:37:21.879 from Scottie Pippen to Dennis Rodman. 1:37:22.240 --> 1:37:26.280 To think, think yeah, think about this, Think about the centers. 1:37:27.000 --> 1:37:30.920 Think about the centers that Michael Jordan won NBA Championships. 1:37:30.920 --> 1:37:31.080 Win. 1:37:31.760 --> 1:37:36.040 Bill Cartwright was playing on one knee and it was Arthritick. 1:37:36.400 --> 1:37:40.160 Will Purdue couldn't walk and Chew Gum as a sophomore 1:37:40.160 --> 1:37:45.880 at Vanderbilt became uh a seven time NBA championship winner 1:37:46.160 --> 1:37:48.760 because he or or five times. He won with the 1:37:48.800 --> 1:37:52.960 Spurs too. But he had a great cast there. But 1:37:52.960 --> 1:37:56.519 but Michael Jordan made every player around him better, And 1:37:56.600 --> 1:38:00.479 I can't say that about Lebron James on select teams 1:38:00.520 --> 1:38:01.519 that Lebron was on. 1:38:02.120 --> 1:38:02.439 That's it. 1:38:02.520 --> 1:38:04.880 Who's your all time who's your all time starting five 1:38:04.920 --> 1:38:07.040 in the NBA? Do you have an all time starting five? 1:38:07.840 --> 1:38:15.120 Two MJ's Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, I've got maybe it's 1:38:15.160 --> 1:38:19.760 a toss up between Wilt and Kareem at center. It 1:38:19.960 --> 1:38:23.320 just is I got Shaq coming off the bench at 1:38:23.400 --> 1:38:29.960 the at the center position. And I'm I might have 1:38:30.080 --> 1:38:32.600 Lebron in the lineup to start, but he might be 1:38:32.640 --> 1:38:37.240 coming off the bench. Kobe Bryant definitely, uh and uh 1:38:37.240 --> 1:38:39.920 Oscar Robertson you've got to put maybe you put Oscar 1:38:40.000 --> 1:38:40.920 in as the coach. 1:38:42.000 --> 1:38:43.920 Well, you got your two bars and you got your center. 1:38:43.920 --> 1:38:46.879 Who's your two forwards? 1:38:46.880 --> 1:38:49.519 It's an excellent question. I'm talking about Larry Bird. 1:38:50.640 --> 1:38:54.280 I think Burt's gotta be in there, no doubt. 1:38:54.280 --> 1:38:56.559 You know, and and maybe I don't know, maybe Carl 1:38:56.600 --> 1:39:00.680 Malone and and not not Jimmy Kimmel dressed up as 1:39:00.720 --> 1:39:04.880 Curl Malone, the actual, the actual Caarl Malone. All right, 1:39:05.000 --> 1:39:06.840 real quick, I want to get in my plugs for 1:39:06.960 --> 1:39:11.559 my teams. Wild Man, my banner, my Bannerbilt Commodore six 1:39:11.600 --> 1:39:15.599 and one, Diego Pavia is a dark horse Heisman candidate 1:39:15.680 --> 1:39:19.080 and should be the UC bear catser six and one 1:39:19.560 --> 1:39:25.040 in the Scott Centerfield era, and they're contending for a 1:39:25.160 --> 1:39:28.920 chance now to be mentioned with all the other teams 1:39:28.960 --> 1:39:31.800 in the Power conferences who have a shot at the playoffs. 1:39:31.800 --> 1:39:32.479 What do you think? 1:39:33.160 --> 1:39:35.200 Well, do you see is now ranked twenty one in 1:39:35.240 --> 1:39:36.040 the AP pole. 1:39:36.240 --> 1:39:38.040 Like you said, there's six and one. 1:39:38.080 --> 1:39:41.160 They won six straight games. Had they played Nebraska here 1:39:41.400 --> 1:39:43.439 they'd be seven andero. But that was that was a 1:39:43.439 --> 1:39:46.200 money grab. And they are Bowl eligible and here come 1:39:46.240 --> 1:39:50.720 the Baylor Bears this Saturday homecoming. The Bearcats will be 1:39:50.760 --> 1:39:53.439 waiting for him and they should be a seven in 1:39:53.520 --> 1:39:56.320 one right now. Everything is looking great for the Scott 1:39:56.400 --> 1:39:59.120 Saderfield those situation because a lot of people were down 1:39:59.160 --> 1:40:00.840 on him, and I I met, I was one of 1:40:00.840 --> 1:40:02.920 the guys kind of down on him. But he's got 1:40:02.960 --> 1:40:05.280 he's got the players. Now, he's got some really good 1:40:05.280 --> 1:40:08.240 players in that team, and Brandon Staresby has really been 1:40:08.240 --> 1:40:11.320 playing lights out at quarterback and says where it starts, 1:40:11.720 --> 1:40:14.559 no doubt, Well, in that game, how about in that 1:40:14.640 --> 1:40:17.920 game that one hundred yard intercepts a school record? 1:40:18.240 --> 1:40:19.479 Have you on that? 1:40:19.880 --> 1:40:23.479 Oh yeah, oh yeah, I was watching. I saw it. 1:40:24.720 --> 1:40:27.200 I saw it, And you need to watch my Vanderbilt 1:40:27.200 --> 1:40:30.639 commodoors because they're gonna just make you see diego pobbya 1:40:30.680 --> 1:40:32.840 play wild Man in your eyes. You're gonna bug right 1:40:32.840 --> 1:40:34.800 out of your head because the guy's phenomenal. 1:40:35.240 --> 1:40:35.720 He's a game. 1:40:35.800 --> 1:40:39.240 He gave your friend and mine, Brian Kelly, a case 1:40:39.280 --> 1:40:41.080 of the goo because they just beating that last too. 1:40:42.280 --> 1:40:44.519 I know I loved every second of it. Watched it 1:40:44.560 --> 1:40:45.719 at the bar, of course. 1:40:45.720 --> 1:40:48.600 Ohio State Paul ver rise wiscon saying Luke Fickle a 1:40:48.680 --> 1:40:49.559 case of the goo. 1:40:49.960 --> 1:40:51.840 And Luke Fickle, I. 1:40:51.800 --> 1:40:54.960 Know he's on that, he's on the h he's on 1:40:55.080 --> 1:40:56.720 and I he really is up there. I know the 1:40:56.760 --> 1:41:00.680 fans have really soured on him, and you know whatever, Well, 1:41:00.680 --> 1:41:02.760 he made his bet and took his money and ran. 1:41:03.360 --> 1:41:06.280 I mean, Florida fired their coach. Colorado State fired their coach. 1:41:06.400 --> 1:41:06.960 A couple of days. 1:41:07.040 --> 1:41:09.920 Yesterday, I mean I Dart for getting rid of coaches 1:41:10.000 --> 1:41:10.599 left and right. 1:41:11.479 --> 1:41:12.120 Wild Man. 1:41:12.360 --> 1:41:14.680 In the words of Ario Speedwagon, it's time for me 1:41:14.720 --> 1:41:17.320 to fly. Thanks for being a part of the show tonight. 1:41:17.560 --> 1:41:20.920 I loved Rio Speedwag and interviewed Kevin cronin many years ago, 1:41:21.120 --> 1:41:22.479 Big friendly man, he was 1:41:23.360 --> 1:41:27.400 All right the wild on the nightcap on seven hundred 1:41:27.439 --> 1:41:29.599 WLW back to wrap up in a moment