WEBVTT - 12-11-25 Wes Miller Coach 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:03.120 It is show time. 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:04.520 That's good dud. 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:08.520 Thank you, sir. A very pleasant, good evening, everybody. Greetings 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:11.920 from the original Montgomery In home of the world's greatest ribs. 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:14.520 Welcome to the West Miller Radio Show. I'm Dan Horde 0:00:15.040 --> 0:00:18.279 with former Bearcats stand out Terry Nelson, my new favorite 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:22.160 podcaster and the star of the show, the head coach 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:25.120 of your UC Bearcats. That's here at four Wes Miller. 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:33.240 We are off to Atlanta tomorrow for a big game 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:36.120 coming up on Saturday against the Georgia Bulldogs. They are 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:39.160 eight and one. They're only lost this year in overtime 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:42.919 against an excellent Clemson team. You have taken on some 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:46.479 challenges in the non Big Twelve portion of the schedule, 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:48.320 and this is one of the toughest ones on the slate. 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:51.440 Yeah, this will be a great opportunity, great game. They 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:54.840 I don't know what. I haven't checked the polls, and 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:56.920 nor do I care a whole lot about them this 0:00:57.000 --> 0:00:57.600 time of year. 0:00:57.680 --> 0:00:58.560 But when you look. 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:01.760 At the the at the Ken Pomp stuff, I mean, 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:04.080 they're one of the best teams in the country to 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:09.039 start the year, and they're doing some some really interesting things. 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:09.600 In the open court. 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:14.160 They're they're pressing, and they're playing extremely fast and speeding 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:17.040 you up defensively. That they've had a really nice start. 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:20.000 It's it's a it's a big time game, big time opportunity. 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:21.760 Average of ninety nine points a game, which is incredible. 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:23.880 What is it about Georgia. I mean, it's been the 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:27.480 last three or four years that we played Georgia or 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:30.600 in Georgia. Obviously there's some players there, but what about 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:31.440 the what's the connection. 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:34.520 I don't think that there's really it just kind of 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:39.360 by chance, right, we had the Georgia Tech Series, now Georgia, 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:40.760 and then I think Georgia will be back up this 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:43.080 way to play US neutral somewhere next year. 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:46.520 But I don't. I actually that's Clemson. I think that 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:48.080 it comes back here next year. I don't. I don't. 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:50.480 I think the Georgia win's a one off. But no, 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:53.880 I think it's more by chance. It wasn't There's there's 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:57.520 no nothing behind the scenes here. Intentionally just trying to 0:01:57.520 --> 0:02:00.600 find quality games, and Georgia was look and we were 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:02.720 looking and it made sense to do it neutral. 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:05.600 Lauren said, you planned that game because she came over here, 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:07.560 so she said. 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:09.400 She was going to go back if because she moved 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:10.280 up from at Lea exactly. 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:14.160 Yeah, Yeah, she is hiding behind a post now trying 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:16.640 to apployd eye contact with you team, Allen. I can't 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:19.560 blame her. Yeah, there's a balancing act when you put 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:21.840 together your schedule. You know you're going to have so 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:24.360 many killer games in the Big Twelve, you want some 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:28.200 in the non conference you don't want too many. Did 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:30.600 you feel like you had a pretty good balance this year. 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:34.160 Yeah, I think there's you know, we've said this publicly 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:36.520 quite a bit, guys. I think the first thing you're 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:40.480 trying to do is build a tournament resume with your 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:44.400 non conference schedule. Are there opportunities to do that? The 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:46.720 second thing you're trying to prepare for your league because 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:49.359 that's ultimately what's going to define your year in the 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:52.280 regular season. And then third, you want to make sure 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:54.880 there's some level of balance to keep you know, working 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:57.080 and building your team and learning your team, especially in 0:02:57.120 --> 0:02:59.679 today's age. And I thought when we put together a 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:01.280 knock schedule, I thought we did that. 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:02.760 Is it fair for basketball? 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:06.680 Because Notre Dame had an early loss to Miami and 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:09.000 they're penalized for that ten in a row. But in 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:12.519 basketball it seems like it goes up and down based 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:16.000 on per game, Like you have a your game versus 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:19.720 Dayton and Xavier and Georgia and Clemson, and they can 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:23.200 really boost your net ranking or push them down and 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:23.680 bury you. 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:25.040 Yeah. 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:28.800 I think, And I haven't followed been a little preoccupied 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:33.200 and hadn't quite followed the football stuff. But I think 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:36.120 basketball and football are different because there's so many more opportunities, 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:39.680 you know, like and you get into the league, like 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:43.240 we played in the Big Twelve every night. It's the 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:45.480 neatest part about the league is every night's an opportunity 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:48.200 to get a big time win. Correct, And so that 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:51.080 is different than football, where maybe one loss can keep 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:53.160 you out of the playoff. It's not like that in 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:54.080 college basketball. 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:54.640 Fortunately. 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:56.120 All right, let's go back and do a bit of 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:58.880 an autopsy on the Xavier game. You haven't played a 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:02.640 ton of zone defense since you've been at Cincinnati. A 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:04.880 zone defense helped you get back into that game and 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:06.560 helped you take a lead with two and a half 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:09.400 minutes to go. Did you find something do you think 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:10.840 defensively in that game? 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:14.520 Well, you know, we were It was interesting I thought 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:16.640 going into the game defending the three point line was 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:20.039 a huge key. They were making eleven a game, top 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:22.840 five in the country, and made threes a game. You know, 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:26.080 they had inserted those you know, inserted a kid into 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:28.520 the starting lineup in the front court. So they were 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:30.760 putting five guys in their starting lineup that are all 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:35.680 very capable from three and defending two shooters in the 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:39.599 front courts. Unique it'll happen again this year. But you know, 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:41.360 you guys that are coming off of games they've made 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:43.600 five threes that, you know, the starting five man, the 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:46.440 starting four man in recent games that each made five 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:50.080 threes each. That presented some different types of challenges, and 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:52.400 I thought, you know, our game plan was to really 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:53.920 make sure that we were able to defend the three 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:56.680 point line, make them score over us around the basket. 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:00.680 I was frustrated with our defense in the game because 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:03.960 we did defend the three point line, but we weren't 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:06.840 disciplined to make them score over us. We fouled, gave 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:10.000 up and one opportunities. We gave up a basket where 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:12.479 we didn't sprint back in transition after a made basket, 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:16.760 which is unacceptable. And then uh, they made a bunch 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:19.040 of two's over the top, and that that's that's something 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:21.800 that we've always been really good at is making it 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:24.280 tough to score too. So anyway, we get into the 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:27.240 second half and it just made sense at that point 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:30.080 to try something different in the zone workforce. 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:33.080 You said that you didn't think that Carol could score 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:35.640 over Baba and Mustafa one on one. 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:43.160 What did you see consistently assistently? Because it certainly it 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:45.600 were at a level of basketball where everybody can make 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:48.640 a one on one tough shot. That's sometimes you just 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:50.440 clap your hands and you run back the other way 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:52.800 and play the next possession, right, I mean, that's going 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:57.560 to happen at this level, But you know to to 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:00.520 to to get scored on over the top as much 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:04.120 as we did. That surprised me. But you allow somebody 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:06.560 to get in a rhythm by giving them easy ones. 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:09.280 Now they get to two feet with an angle, get 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:12.440 fouled and one, And we made a lot of errors, 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:15.400 very simple errors to allow those, and then people get 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:16.920 in a rhythm and it's easier for them to make 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:17.600 the tougher ones. 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:20.080 And I thought he did a little bit of both, right. 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.120 He got easy ones, he got to the foul line, 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:24.240 and then he was able to make some really tough 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:25.680 ones over the top to close the game. 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:28.680 Hindsight, it's always twenty twenty. What, if anything, would you 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:30.960 do differently against him? 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:33.680 Well, I think we would have spent more time on, 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:35.760 you know, how to defend that action where they just 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:37.480 kind of like set a pick and roll for him 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:40.720 on the side and he drives it and flips his hips. 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:44.480 You know, late in the game when we somebody asked me, like, 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:46.440 why didn't you double more? Well, we were in the zone, 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:48.120 you know, like one of the things we did. We 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:50.359 went to the zone. We were trying to get to 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:52.960 the double. We talked about it, and we got to 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:55.720 it on one possession late in the game. There were 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:58.520 two possessions he scored over the top. One of them 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:01.360 was after they broke the zone kind of switched into man, 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:03.919 and then the other one he had drove from the 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:06.200 perimeter and just kind of made a quick move. So 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:09.080 we were trying to double him more, but we probably 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:11.000 to spend a little more time defending that because it 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:12.520 was what they were kind of going to over and 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:13.080 over again. 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:16.800 I noticed in practice there seems to be what I 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:19.600 used to call with Bob Huggins the Jack be Nimble experience, 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:21.680 where you light a fire into somebody and you make 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:24.400 them try to try to get them to play with 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:27.400 a little bit more urgency in practice. I've been seeing 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:29.800 a little bit more of that lately. Is that because 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:31.960 you're trying to turn up for the conference? Are you 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:34.640 just trying to get them prepared one game at a 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:35.120 time for that? 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:37.480 I just think I was really excited to have a 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:39.760 week of practice. You know it's been a while. 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:43.320 Yeah that I'm not guys, I ain't making excuses or complaining. 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:45.160 I just as a coach, I live for practice. 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:47.320 I live live for the opportunity to go in there 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:50.120 and work and get better and you know, teach and 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:52.880 like you said, you know, try to make the team 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:55.240 a better team. And we had a week to do that. 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:58.600 And so I think there was an opportunity to coach 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:00.280 in a lot of different ways, and maybe one of 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:03.240 them is what you're talking about. That was very intentional 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:06.960 to try to create some urgency in some certain areas 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:07.800 that we got to improve. 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:11.040 Mustapha Chim has not been able to take advantage of 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:13.880 his size and athletic ability lately as much as he 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:16.040 did earlier. This year. What are you working on with him? 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:19.080 Well, we need him to be a force. We need 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:20.920 to be a presence. We need him to be a 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:22.920 great rebounder on both ends. We need him to be 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:27.320 a shot blocker and a rim protector defensively. You know, 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:28.880 I thought in the Xavier game we did a nice 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:31.160 job of getting the ball within four or five feet, 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:33.880 like I thought, we were able to establish the post 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:37.040 box with him. We didn't convert enough there. We're gonna 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:38.440 keep trying to get him the ball. We need him 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:41.960 to convert down there and kind of find his rhythm offensively. 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:45.080 But there's no doubt about it. He's a big time player. 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:47.400 We need him to play like a big time player, 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:49.600 and I believe he will. We're hard at work at it. 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:51.720 Break all right, yep, we'll take a time out. You 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:53.880 are listening to the West Miller Radio Show or Live 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:57.520 at the Original Montgomery In Home of the World's Greatest Rips. 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:02.920 On seven hundred, we are back at the Original Montgomery 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:05.560 In Home of the World's Greatest Rips and the West 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:08.000 Miller Radio Show. We appreciate the Bearcat fans are with 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:10.480 us here tonight. We will have some stuff to give 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:12.880 away at the end of the show some Bearcat gear 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:16.480 and some tickets to the bearcats next home game. Their 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:18.240 next game, though, of course, is on the road this 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:22.240 Saturday at Georgia. That's at two o'clock start. It's in Georgia, 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:24.120 I should say, it's not a true road game. It's 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:28.080 in Atlanta, obviously closer to the University of Georgia. Starts 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:32.400 at two o'clock in the afternoon. Paba Miller missed a 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:34.280 couple of games. He's been back for a couple of 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:37.000 games now, probably playing at less than one hundred percent, 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:39.480 and even at less than one hundred percent. He had 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:43.280 seventeen rebounds in the Xavier game, a new career high 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:46.160 for him. You spoke with reporters earlier today and it 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:49.120 sounds like he's getting healthier and healthier at practice. 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:51.400 He has been able to put days together this week, 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:55.120 which is to me what led to a really great 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:58.040 start for him of the season. He was one of 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:01.120 our him and Dada Thomas and in terms of practice 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:04.200 have been our most consistent guys day in, day out, 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:07.400 and no mistake that those guys have had the start 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:10.480 they've had, but him missing practice affected him. It was 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.880 very obvious to our eyes as coaches again getting back 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:17.320 in the rhythm of practice this week, I suspect that 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:18.160 don't really help him. 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:23.840 I've noticed that during this time you were early on, 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:26.480 when you start getting the injuries to your team, you 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:28.680 start giving them more breaks in between, and you start 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:31.760 taking a little bit softer approch, not a softer approach, 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:34.000 but not trying to push him as hard in certain 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:35.800 areas because you want to just get to the game. 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:38.600 But now that they're getting back healthy, I see you 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:43.040 doing more with pressing and defenses and just trying out 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:45.240 different things. Is that intentional? 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:48.600 I just hate the dynamic you talked about. You can 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:49.920 call it soft, it's what it is. 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:52.800 I mean, you know, you got guys hurt, you can't practice, 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:54.480 and it's not they're not being soft. 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:57.120 But hell, that's what I'm not going to the place 0:10:57.200 --> 0:10:58.720 I just told you. I live for practice. 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:01.560 Yeah, but if guys are hurt and can't practice, what 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:03.640 are you supposed to do? And you know, we were 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:06.240 in a segment there where we were doing walkthroughs, not 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:09.800 practices because we didn't have enough to be able. 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:12.000 To practice there for a little bit. And no, that's 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:14.280 no fun. That's no fun. I don't love that. 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:16.439 You can call it any bad word you want, I 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:19.840 won't disagree with it. But the no I think you 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:24.160 have to this is basketball is like anything. There's no secrets. 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:26.880 Like there's no secrets. It takes what it takes. The 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:30.280 work is the work. The preparation is the preparation. And 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:33.280 you know, again, I'm Fit's felt good this week to 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:34.640 be able to get back in the gym and do that. 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:37.920 You have an approach of trying to build your players up. 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:40.400 You want them to feel confident when they take the court, 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:43.320 and part of that is giving them freedom to take 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:45.520 shots that you think they can make and they think 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:47.800 they can make. But I wonder sometimes if there's a 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:50.599 fine line when a guy who maybe doesn't have a 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:53.680 great percentage and a key situation in the game takes 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:56.320 one and you have to say, Okay, there are times 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:58.200 to take that shot and other times not too. 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:02.760 It's coaching, right, You get the film, you you get 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:06.840 on the practice court, and you start really defining roles. Right. 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:09.559 We've been doing that for the last two or three weeks. 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:13.959 It doesn't mean that you still won't have a moment 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:16.160 in a game where somebody will be eighteen to twenty 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:18.120 two years old and do something they're not supposed to do. 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:20.960 But I do think shot selection is going to be 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:23.960 really important to our ability to improve our offense as 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:24.280 a team. 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:27.720 I spoke about this on the Legends Unpluged podcast. You guys, 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:29.040 make sure you go ahead and do that. 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:33.280 It's excellent. Yes, so big thumbs up from your broadcast 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:34.160 partner Dan Horde. 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:34.679 Appreciate it. 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:37.079 Reve we were seven to zero in the nineteen ninety 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:39.840 two season. Ninety one ninety two, we go to Michigan State, 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:41.720 we had a nineteen point league. We end up losing 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:45.800 at the Buzzer. And back then was now it was 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:48.200 during the time. Right now, there's no twenty hour rule, 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:50.719 so you can practice as long as you want. So 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:52.840 the Hugs would make us do two a days. And 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.520 then so after running us for a while, he put 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:59.000 us all on the baseline and said this is your role, 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:01.480 and he went down one. I won and went to 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:03.640 everybody and he came to me and he said, Terry, 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:06.560 you work the hardest that we have. I need you 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:08.120 to rebound, I need you to block out, need you 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:11.079 to play post defense. But if you don't go hard. 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:13.360 You can't pass, you can't shoot, you can't. 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:15.240 He just went through all this stuff that I can't do, 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:17.560 and I didn't hear any of that. All I heard 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:20.520 was if I want to play, play, post defense, play, 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:23.560 you know, box out, do whatever. But it gave me 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:27.280 the ability to say, this is what he sees in me, 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:29.560 and if I do this, I can make a difference 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:33.199 for the team. Do you have those conversations or they 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:35.160 just kind of know based on the roles that you 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:38.200 are planning out with offensive defensive strategy. 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:42.280 Yeah, you have those conversations, maybe in a different way 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:43.640 than you could do in the nineties. 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:46.440 I mean you also got to have those conversations with 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:47.040 the agent. 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:48.400 Yes. 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:54.520 And then there's a transfer port, you know, so it's 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:57.400 not you know, yes, if you were pissed about it, 0:13:57.440 --> 0:13:59.560 you could you walk out of the door and transfer 0:13:59.880 --> 0:14:02.360 it back in ninety one ninety that's right, Corey. 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:04.960 No, you do, Listen, you do. 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:09.320 And there's certain fundamentals of coaching that are the exact 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:12.120 same as they were fifty years ago, and that's what's fun. 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:15.000 And then there's there's certain dynamics that are much different. 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:19.760 I think I think, yes, you're trying to define what 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:22.520 guy's strengths are getting them to play to their strengths, 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:25.680 getting them to sacrifice maybe something they want to do 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:27.680 for something that would be better for our team for 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:31.160 them to do. We're having those conversations for sure. I 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:32.960 think we have good kids that are trying to buy 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:33.640 in and want to win. 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:38.000 You express some optimism after the Xavier game, and I 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:40.520 feel like some people took it the wrong way, like 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:43.840 you weren't upset with the loss, which obviously nothing could 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:46.520 be further from the truth. Probably put your fist through 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:50.000 a back blackboard or something like that. But what did 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:54.320 you see in that game that was caused for optimism 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:56.560 and positivity? 0:14:57.080 --> 0:15:01.440 Yeah, you know, there's no way I didn't know that. 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:04.360 I'm deleted social media a while back. I only have 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:07.160 the apps on my phone, so to how smart. It's 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:09.000 a much better way to live. I'll tell you what 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:13.320 it makes. It makes life, not just for anything with basketball, 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:15.040 just in general. 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:17.280 I mean now, when I open my phone, I read 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:18.960 my news apps, so I know what's going on in 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:19.680 the world. But the. 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:23.040 No I listen nobody. 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:25.920 I don't know if I could even describe the pain 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:29.160 that you feel after a loss. 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:32.080 You know, it's a it's a deep pain. Uh. 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:35.040 You know, you put your whole life and you nest 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:38.320 into something and when you lose, I don't I don't 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:39.800 even have the words to describe the. 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:40.680 Pain that you feel. 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:46.680 But that said, you know, the job of a coach 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:51.360 of a player is to learn to get back to 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:53.960 work and to figure out how to grow and to 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:57.280 become a great team. And so you know to me 0:15:57.760 --> 0:15:59.640 that that's what you do with the loss. You learn, 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:02.280 you learn, you're gonna feel that pain. Like it doesn't. 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:06.000 I'm still upset about the game somewhere down here, like 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:07.680 I don't like to talk about it, but that's my 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:09.280 job is coming here and talk with you guys and 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:13.880 answer questions. But the truth is you got to learn 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:16.240 from it. You gotta channel it, and when you're winning 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:19.160 games in the Big Twelve later in the year, the 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:21.960 things that you went through at some point that that 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:24.640 didn't feel good have to be a catalyst for you 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:26.640 to be a good team. And those of us that 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:28.680 have been in it a long time, you know, you 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:31.280 know that's how it always works, and so that that's 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:31.680 the goal. 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:32.320 That's the job. 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:34.840 And there were some moments in that game, you know 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:37.600 that were positive. What I would say is had we 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:40.400 hit a shot to go up one under two minutes, 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:44.560 had we we have won that last two minutes, you 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:48.160 guys be asking me all these fun questions tonight about. 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:49.840 How good is it? You know that, well, you know, 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:52.120 you got to put things in perspective sometimes too. 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:54.400 So we did some good things to come back from 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:57.120 a thirteen point deficit, to take a lead on the 0:16:57.200 --> 0:16:59.880 road and a rivalry game. You know, that's something we 0:16:59.880 --> 0:17:01.720 can build on. And there's a lot that we've already 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:03.360 talked about that we can learn from. 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:07.760 The great pat Riley said there's winning and there's misery. Sure, 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:10.080 and that's exactly what you feel when you put your 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:14.480 whole life into the preparation in doing all that and 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:17.440 then you lose. Tell you it's tough for you guys 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:19.800 that don't if you played sports on any level. 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:21.359 Yeah, but you know, I say this, Terry, and I 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:23.600 think you'll appreciate this, and anybody's listening, I think I'll 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:24.320 appreciate this. 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:27.600 Is you feel like as low as you could ever feel. 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:30.680 But sometimes you take a step back and you think 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:34.080 about I'm coaching basketball, we're playing basketball, and think about 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:36.720 how great our lives are, how fortunate we. 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:39.600 Are, who the hell wants to hear me complain? No 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:40.560 serious that people. 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:43.120 Out there working nine to five and struggling to put pop. 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:45.000 Who wants to hear me complain? My job, into complain 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:46.760 is to figure ou how to get our damn team better. 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:48.800 And so when I stand in front of the media, 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:51.159 I sit here in a radio interview, Hell, what do 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:52.800 I have to complain about? My job is to go 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:54.560 get us better and that's where my focus is. 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:58.080 So you guys get right to it. 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:00.159 Like when the game's over, you guys don't know, he 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.640 doesn't go home and have a big stake and hang 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:05.480