WEBVTT - 11-25-25 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.760 Do you want to be an American idiot show? 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:07.440 Seven hundred wlws will you'll wind it down towards Thanksgiving 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:11.319 and of note, and this is even brustling a number 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:12.320 of Republicans too. 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:13.240 And it's a big question. 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:18.599 How far does presidential power extend relative well, constitutionally speaking 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:23.520 to domestic and international invention, particularly with the military. So 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:26.840 whether it's in American cities or in Venezuela, or disobeying 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:31.319 potentially unlawful orders, it is a constitutional question for sure 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:33.320 that's going to be addressed out imagined by the High Court. 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:38.440 They ultimately decide the scope of executive branch authority through 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:42.200 Donald Trump, who's certainly pushing the envelope. Some may say 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:45.080 too far and illegal, and others say, well, that's the 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:47.400 purpose of the you know that, that's how all works. 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:50.120 You know, we tested and the court determines where the 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:52.839 line is. Jack Rinder's here. He's a constitutional attorney with 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:55.960 Ferouki Lawn Cincinnati. Also teaches a use at U see 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:58.320 a media ethics class. And it's odd that you're on 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:03.200 my show teaching media ethics. I think that's interesting. Irony there, 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:04.000 How are you been, friend? 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:07.480 I'm good, Yeah, I'm gonna talk. 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:08.880 I'm not a journalist. I'm a talk show host. 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:12.040 I just I appine, so I don't have to abide 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:15.840 by these stupid ethics anyway. So driving is the very 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:18.440 latest thing is we had the six Democratic veterans that 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:21.120 reminded the military intelligence communities that no one has to 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:23.759 right to carry out orders to violate our lower constitution. 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:27.440 That's part of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. It's 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:29.120 pretty clear. But I guess the question for a lot 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:31.600 of people, then Jack would be Okay, if I am 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:33.360 a I don't know. Let's say I'm a pilot, I'm 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:36.800 a fighter pilot. Am I about to fire and I 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:39.000 target I light up a Venezuelan boat? 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:41.800 Who do I do? I make that decision? 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:43.840 Go Wow, this seems like it's unlawful because we're not 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:45.680 at war and this is not an enemy combatant, and 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:50.480 we're conflating drug runners with acts of war. Despite what 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:53.560 the President says, How does someone who is called out 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:57.320 on SORTY to accomplish that mission? Do they go to 0:01:57.400 --> 0:01:59.440 a superior I mean, I can't imagine that someone in 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:03.240 the battlefield wants It's absolutely clear it's illegal and unconstitutional. 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:04.520 Makes that decision how'd that work? 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:08.240 Yeah, I think that's right. I think that you know, 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:11.959 there there is something called the judge Advocate General, which 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:16.200 is essentially the military lawyers. Uh. People call it the 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:21.120 JAG or a judge advocate general, and they actually, at 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:25.160 least traditionally have been consulted on things like this and 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:29.120 uh will you know, sort of give the clearance in 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:34.080 advance of an order. And that's how it should work, okay, Uh, 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:37.920 so that the pilot who's flying when he gets the 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:41.160 order can have some assurance that you know, this has 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:44.400 been reviewed and it is it is being lawful. 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:45.000 Uh. 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:50.040 You know, it would it would be chaotic, uh, to 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:52.359 say the least, if if it were just an an 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:55.040 hoc thing that the soldiers on the front line were 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:59.120 supposed to uh discern on their end. But you know, 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:05.560 the other option is for senior commands if they think 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:11.760 that an order is unlawful, is to resign. And frankly 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:15.960 that's happened Alvin Holsey uh stepped down into the US 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:19.720 as the head of the US Southern Command. Uh. And 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:24.160 you know it's not been uh he he's not really 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:29.280 said much about it, but it certainly seems that he 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:33.400 was concerned about the stripes on the boats off of 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:36.360 the Evezuelan coast. So you know, I think I think 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:41.840 we can uh presume perhaps that he felt that that 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:46.160 was illegal and unlawful, and rather than that's a pooty order, 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:49.280 he resigned, which you know, was was pretty much the 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:53.080 only option to him. But I think the notion that, uh, 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:57.920 you know, soldiers in the field are making those decisions, 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:01.920 it's just not really accurate. Those decisions are made, uh, 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:06.520 you know, at levels above the actual pilot or the 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:11.200 infantryman who's who's on the field, and it's really incumbent 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:16.719 on the officers to working with jag to uh to 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:18.239 make those decisions. 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:18.960 Uh. 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:22.360 You know, what what I think is is, frankly more 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:28.120 concerning is the idea that the Congress people you know, 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:33.200 are are considered to have engaged in a conspiracy sedition. 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:36.680 I mean I think that that uh, I just don't 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:41.400 think there's a. I think that that's not uh an 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:47.000 accurate application of the sedition laws, and B I think 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:49.760 the first of themment would have something to say about 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:54.000 about that. So I think, you know, from A I 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:57.039 think the military to have their own concerns about what's 0:04:57.440 --> 0:04:59.800 on off order and they go through training. I mean, 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:03.719 you know, the folks in the military, it's certainly at 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:07.960 the officer level are are are well versed in this 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:12.839 the code, the military code, and you know it better 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:16.119 than you or I. But I think that for you 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:19.520 and I where you know, I'm more concerned as the 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:24.400 notion that there's even a thread of criminal prosecution for 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:28.840 you know, the Congress people who spoke thereby we can 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:29.560 talk about. 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:34.880 Yeah, yeah, trasition basically, it's it's intended to incite insurrection 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:37.320 against to overthrow the existing authority in government. 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:41.240 It's not an overthrow, right, right, it's not at all. 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:46.960 And again I think that we've since since the early 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:50.520 nineteen hundreds. You know, it's interesting that First Amendment law 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:54.800 really started to develop in the early nineteen hundred First 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:58.960 Amendment law as we know it because until the Fourteenth Amendment, 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:01.720 the First amend and didn't apply to the states. Okay, 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:05.600 so there wasn't a lot of litigation because it was 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:07.480 it was done by the states. But then the fourteenth 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:10.760 Amendments path and then the First Amendment now a pause 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:13.039 to the states, and then it was another you know, 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:17.240 fifty years or so before people really started you know, 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:20.000 the courts really started examining what the First Amendment met 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:27.080 in early early cases were I think, in our view 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:31.039 looking back, wrongly decided. So there were cases you know 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:36.520 where people, for example, advocated that people resist the draft 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:40.880 in World War Wide, okay, and those people were found 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:45.039 to have violated the law and the First Amendment, and 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:47.520 the Supreme Court said, there the First Amendment didn't protect 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:51.440 those people. And we I think evolved to the point 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:56.080 where you can talk about things, you know, as long 0:06:56.120 --> 0:07:02.200 as you're not taking active steps. So if somebody before 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:06.440 January sixth said, hey, we really need to do something 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:10.760 about this this vote that's coming up to on the 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:14.080 on the election results because the election was rigged, you know, 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:17.320 we need to take action. That's protected speech under the 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:20.360 First Attendment, right, what is not what is not protected 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:23.280 is the people who stormed the capital and broke in 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:25.880 and every I realized the right pardon but yeah, they 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:26.520 wrote the law. 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:27.960 Yeah, yeah, no question. 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:29.760 Out of the many that were there, the ones that 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:31.760 broke in, once you cross that threshold, that that is 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:34.160 illegal and you should be punished. And you know, j 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:38.559 six certainly dissuaded me from supporting Trump after that because 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:41.600 I But I will say though, that that was an 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:44.720 interesting test of the constitution for you know, Democrats, progressive sale, 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:48.880 My god, he's destroying the constitution, shredding government. It's that's 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:50.880 it didn't work out that way simply because we have 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:54.840 those protections in place. It was probably the most extreme 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:57.920 case of testing the constitution. Trump's done a great job 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:01.600 of that during his tenures. And it's it's you know, 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:04.520 we've seen the law in many cases turn around and 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:07.880 overthrow the sometimes support him. But that's how our believe 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:09.360 or not, that's how our system works. For those are 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:13.640 things that that you know, that was illegal behavior. Yeah, 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:16.040 but again the court goes back and looks and says 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:20.080 they're able to interpret what the actions were. I mean, 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:22.440 he's really testing the limits of the Constitution. It's an 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:23.960 interesting test with the court in our country. 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:27.080 Then, yeah, I think it is. And I think again, 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:30.040 I think the Congressman and Tigress people who were on 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:34.480 that video, clearly we're exercising their First Amendment right and 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:38.760 there they were. To me, they were simply advising, you know, 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:41.440 not only the people in the military, but maybe the 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:44.400 public that hey, look you don't have to you know, 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:47.160 you are not required to follow an unlawful order. Now 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:49.520 there's a lot of you know, well what's unlawful? What 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:51.480 makes it unlawful? As you said at the top of 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:54.640 our interview, you know who makes that determination. But they 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:58.160 were exercising their First Amendment right, and Trump has the 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:00.600 First Amendment right to come back and say that susition. 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:04.280 You know what where I think again talking about the line, right, 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:07.560 I think when the penticon, you know, when when the 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:10.480 Justice Department or the Department of War starts, you know, 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:15.520 potential prosecution mark Kelly for for this, I think that's 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:18.520 a line that has crossed. I think that that is 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:25.400 that is government sanctioning, sanctioning and potentially coercing speak. And 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:28.040 that balleys. First, if Trump just wants to go on 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:30.959 true social and say, you know, he's a trader, he's 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:33.880 a he's an interaction, and so go ahead, go for it, 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:36.880 that's fine. But I think when you start taking after 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:40.720 steps to prostitute then you're really implicating the First Amendment. 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:42.920 I think, Well, at the same time, again, they said 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:47.000 the're going after Kelly, investigat him, but for what, well. 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:48.920 For I think for this video. I mean, I don't 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:50.079 know that's the thing we think. 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:53.120 I mean, it could be coincidental, probably not to agree 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:55.360 that that this is trying to silence him. But let's 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:58.240 say that he's involved in something else. I want to 0:09:58.240 --> 0:09:59.600 see what the I want to see what the reason 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:01.480 why they're investigative. That would be nice to know. 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:02.680 Yeah. 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:07.120 Yeah, Jack riders here a competitional expert on Scotland show 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:10.360 on seven hundred w LW. In this case, can the 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:13.760 executive branch legally investigator prosecute members of Congress for their 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:14.560 political speech? 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:15.840 What? 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:16.120 What? 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:17.400 What protections apply there? 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:18.000 Well? 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:24.040 Well, I mean no, but if there is if the 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:27.959 if the speech is part of something bigger, and they 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:34.120 have probable cause, then they probably can so. I so, 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:36.400 as you said, we we don't know if there's something 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:39.199 else with Kelly, but consuming just in sort of a 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:45.080 vacuum that uh, you know, Trump is mad because of 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:49.000 what Kelly said, and he says, let's go getting for that, 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:52.679 and that's really problematic. I mean, that is that is 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:56.360 exactly what First Amendment should be protected. It shouldn't just 0:10:56.960 --> 0:11:00.840 you know, it really shouldn't just be a situation where 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:04.360 Kelly wins his case if he's if he's indicted or 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:06.120 something which I know, I don't think I hope he 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:10.959 won't be. But if, but if, but it really should 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:13.199 stop something like that in its tracks, because I think 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:17.400 any kind of you know, government action that is taken 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:22.079 as a result of protected First Amendment activity is you know, retaliation, 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:24.760 and we're not supposed to be about that. You should 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:27.160 when you, when you, when you have such First Amendment right, 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:30.400 you ought to not only be free of a conviction, 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:33.960 you really ought to be free of steps leading to 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:38.240 a conviction. Again, unless there's something else that justifies that. 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:40.840 But if it is just just hey, he said this, 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:46.720 that makes me madd oj go getting that's really troubling. 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:48.160 I mean, that's very troubling. 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:49.280 Yeah. 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:51.240 Well, I think the other people said, well, it's just 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:53.199 more of this Trump arrangement syndrome you're going to after 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:55.840 it's the derangement at the end of Trump. I mean, 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:58.959 he thinks any order he issues because he issues is lawful, 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:00.520 which of course isn't true. That would be up to 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:03.160 the courts to interpret that. But we know that the 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:06.599 long standing principle of military law because what happened in 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:09.240 the Norman Trials in World War Two, We're Nazis were going, well, 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:10.520 I was just found orders. 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:11.959 That's where this came from, right. 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:16.280 Yeah, exactly, and putting a plug for the movie Urmber 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:20.440 by the way, that was good. It's awesome. Yeah, And 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:22.559 it kind of raises that question. But we had it 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:26.160 in Vietnam, we with a college autenant college situation where 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:28.640 essentially that was his defense that he was following orders. 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:31.319 So it's problematic, but I think it's you know, it's 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:34.320 got to think that. It's what it's part of what 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:39.040 makes America great is that we we don't adopt it's 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:40.960 so clearly as long as you were ordered to do it. 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:43.800 I mean, you know, we we say no, that's not okay, 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:45.440 and you know we we have to make sure that 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:49.280 there's orders of lawful and h and that doesn't make 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:50.400 us week, that makes us great. 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:50.720 Yeah. 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:53.520 And it also extends to the workplace to a degree. 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:55.800 And you think about all the whistleblowers, right you say, hey, 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:57.680 something wrong is going on here, and how many people 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:01.520 have been sent to prison, Uh, schemes and outright tragedies 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:04.240 uncovered because someone said this isn't right. 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:06.120 I'm going to talk to someone about it. 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:06.760 Exactly. 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:11.040 That's exactly how it should work here too. Relative to Venezuela. 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:16.040 That's a more interesting nuance there that we're attacking these 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:19.959 ships allegedly they're carrying drugs. But even from a constitutional perspective, 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:22.800 as I said, you know, the president conflates drug smuggling 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:26.040 with violent aggression and ordering the death of foreign terrorist 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:32.000 organizations and saying this is not international armed conflict, and 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:33.800 then the declaration somehow, I don't know where this is 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:35.520 from twenty five O the lives are safe with each 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:38.600 boat destroying. We don't really know if there's evidence that 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:41.320 these were indeed drug smugglers, because we know that even 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:44.480 the government d Trump said, Venezuela is not the problem, 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:49.200 it's Mexico. The court eventually, I would imagine this is 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:50.480 going to be fast tracked. This has got to go 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:52.559 to the Supreme Court at some point, doesn't it. 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:55.120 Yeah, I would think so. I mean, I think it 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:57.160 comes down. You know, it's going to be that interesting 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:01.280 issue because we do believe in our country and due 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:04.160 process and new process requires that, you know, you can't 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:08.360 just randomly blowbal boats out of the water on the 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:12.560 suspicion that they care and drugs. You know, you should 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:15.040 have probable cause and there ought to be evidence and 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:17.960 that sort of thing. The Supreme Court, however, has been 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:22.080 very at least you know, four maybe five members of 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:26.280 the Supreme Court are are pretty strong believers in something 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:31.440 called the unitary executive branch, which is gives a lot 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:35.240 of difference to the executive. And you know, there's arguments that, well, 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:39.040 when it comes to foreign affairs, that's that's the president, 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:41.480 that's you know, that's just his prerogative. And if he 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:43.800 thinks they're drudge on the boats, that he ought to 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:45.640 be allowed to blow him up. But that really runs 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:49.240 counter to a tradition that we respect the process in 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:49.800 this country. 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:52.600 Yeah, I guess that's the thing. There's no do process here. 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:55.360 The impetus, of course is stop drug flow, which is noble, 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:57.600 but I'm not sure that those are boats that are 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:00.200 caring drugs. We just we don't know that we went 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:03.200 out to wear the investigative process. And you could claim that, well, 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:04.880 that's the thing. It's a it's a you know, an 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:07.800 investigation by authorities because you know, we don't want to 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:11.040 disclose what we know because that would jeopardize other investigations. 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:14.040 But it's an interesting test of constitutional law. 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:14.400 For sure. 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:16.160 This is going to probably play out over years long 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:24.400 after Trump and we're gone, right, yeah, fame, you're Irene Kara. Anyway, 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:27.760 he's Jack Grinder, constitucial attorney with the Faruki also teaches 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:30.320 media ethics class at the University of Cincinnati. Jack, all 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:35.000 the best, Happy holidays and thanks again, appreciate it. Yeah, yeah, 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:36.760 it's be an interesting thing. I mean I look at 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:39.360 it and go, okay, well, the drug boats, I would 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:41.520 I think as a citizen to look at and go, yeah, 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:43.600 you hope the governments these are actual drug boats and 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:45.960 we're just blowing up to get rid of Maduro. Now 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:47.560 he's going to sit down and talk with the president, 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:50.600 and I guess at some point we'll find out any 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:51.320 stories coming out. 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:53.760 I haven't seen it. Maybe you have, of uh, I 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:54.040 don't know. 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:55.960 These were just fishermen or something like that, but we've 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:58.120 heard that before when there's criminal enterprise going on. But 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:01.720 relative to Mark Kelly and the others who produces video, 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:07.040 just reminding h soldiers, sailors, airmen, et cetera, that they 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:10.640 can disobey and illegal order, keep in mind you have 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:13.160 to still the lastly judge, advocate general or a high rep. 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:14.640 Going hey, is this legal or not? Can we find 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.280 can we an interpretation before I launched this rocket? 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:18.640 Uh? 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:20.200 And that you know, you know, if you served in 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:22.800 the military, and I haven't had the honor doing that obviously, 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:25.600 but I can't imagine having to make a decision to 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:27.840 take a bunch of humans lives. I mean, that's something 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:30.440 you trained for. But still I would imagine that first 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:32.480 one or the first few, you're like, I'm about to 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:33.960 end a whole bunch of lives right here. I hope 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:36.440 we're right, and that that was, you know, the one 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:38.840 who you know shot the missile, So that's in your conscience, 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:42.320 and I think that's uh, you know, the checks and 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:47.600 balances even within the military ignoring the illegal orders, but 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:49.960 the idea that you know, we have lawmakers that say 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:53.480 remind the military for whatever reason, they didn't say which 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:55.480 to lawful orders. By the way, So it's kind of vague, 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:58.880 I think intentionally, but certainly and clearly not seditious. It's 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:00.840 this fote anyway, it's gonna play it for a while. 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:03.080 Courts are gonna be busy with this Court's gonna be busy, 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:04.639 for sure. We've got a time out in We've got 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:06.600 news on the way. Scott's Floan show. This is seven 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:07.160 hundred W. 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:09.760 All right, here we go. 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:16.360 Everybody's whinding it down. You're pretending to work the next 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:20.040 just pretending to work the next couple of days about 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:22.959 the butter ball baby. Slowly back on seven hundred WLW. 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:25.840 Speaking of which, I'm not quite sure why this came 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:28.520 to a thing, but my g hod against green being 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:30.440 castrole declared as a matter of fact that Gary Jeff 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:33.480 Walker invited me to be popping tonight at nine o'clock 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:35.320 on his show. I said, yeah, I'll be wrong. Why 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:38.679 not talk about how this whole thing started? Anyway, So 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:45.320 for years now I've railed against green bean castrole, and 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:46.679 nowhere else in the world, by the way, are they 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:50.160 doing well Thanksgiving? The rest of the world is confused 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:53.480 by our Thanksgiving. But green being castle in particular is 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:55.560 one of those dishes people look at and go, what's 0:17:55.600 --> 0:18:00.160 with the green being cast role? I think Ohio is 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:02.479 like the number one green bean cancel of state. By 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:06.000 the way, most cities are most states, turkey stuffing, pie, 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:10.879 sweet potatoes, mac and cheese are generally your top five. 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:14.280 But here in Ohi green bean castrole hiw Kentucky, Indiana. 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:18.200 For some reason. The person responsible for this culinary atrocity 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:21.840 is Dorcas Riley. What a great name for someone who 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:26.920 literally would destroy Thanksgiving. Dorcas Riley, who was a supervisor 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:29.679 in the Campbell Soup Test Kitchen back Camden, New Jersey, 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:33.720 back in the nineteen fifties nineteen fifty five, to be exact, 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:38.320 Campbell tasked her with creating an easy, crowd pleasing recipe 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:43.280 using ingredients most Americans already had in their pantries, which 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:47.800 makes one wonder, go, Okay, it's Thanksgiving, you kind of 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:50.240 know that's coming. It's different if Hey, what do you 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:52.159 want for dinner? I don't know, Let's see what we 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:57.520 got in the pantry, or something's coming over. I kind 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:00.359 of last minute. I got a crap, I got to 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:03.359 make something. Okay, we've all been in that situation before. 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:05.479 Much easier today we can just get you know, door 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:09.160 dash or something. But nonetheless, back in the nineteen fifties 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:12.800 this was a concern. But I contend that again back 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:15.800 to the history of Thanksgiving. For a long time, it's 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:18.600 been about eating yourself stupid with turkey and all the 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:20.680 things that go around it. Why would you at the 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:23.920 last minute create an easy crowd preezing recipe that you 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:26.760 had on hand already. Generally there's shopping or you know, 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:28.840 you just don't have a twenty pound turkey later around, 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:30.840 usually got to go out and find one at the 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:33.439 same time, like, okay, I don't know if it's an 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:38.159 afterthought or wherever. Nonetheless, Campbell's the executive side. The recipe 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:41.280 need to be simple and expensive and use shelf stable ingredients. 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:47.359 Initially green bean casserole. The original recipe was actually green 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:50.720 bean bake, which quite honestly, at any other time of 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:54.320 the year, it'd be just fine. Again with that, well, 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:56.239 what do we have. I got some Campbell's, I got 0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:59.679 soup mix, I got some green beans. I'll throw it together. 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:02.199 I'll make green bean castle or green bean bake as 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:06.680 it were fine, you know, Tuesday night in March, knock 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:11.359 yourself out. But Thanksgiving in particular is difficult for me 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:14.439 because most people work so hard, especially those who are 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:16.680 cooking and hosting, work so hard at making it. It just 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:21.400 seems like it's like an afterthought. And the reason why 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:24.120 this came about back in nineteen fifty five. Think about it. 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:27.520 You're now coming out of post World War two and 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:30.760 we had a convenience food culture that leaned into can goods. 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:32.800 The gis are coming back there are used to eating 0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:36.679 field rations which are largely canned can goods alike, so 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:38.840 that you know, there was no stigma with that before 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:40.360 that mean can goods were around. It was a way 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:42.680 to preserve food, for sure, but it really put it 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:44.199 over the top of the nineteen fifties. So it's more 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:47.479 of a convenience food culture because you know, after the 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:52.200 depression and after the war, people just wanted to be happy. 0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:53.320 They want to feel, they want to do so to 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:54.439 they want enjoy their lives. 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:54.919 You know. 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:57.480 The automobile came along, of course, and we rebuilt the 0:20:57.560 --> 0:20:59.600 highways and stretch across America. People just want to go 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:01.399 out and be in the cars and go around and 0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:02.000 have a good time. 0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:02.320 Yeah. 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:04.280 Obviously they would work and work really hard in the 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:06.960 post war economy, but also wanted to play hard as well, 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:08.840 and certainly didn't want to be pinned down to a kitchen. 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:11.520 And women who had been helping get the factories going 0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:14.399 and a rose the river and alike. They also a 0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:16.960 number of them kept jobs and they needed quick, fast, 0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:20.080 reliable recipes because it was tasked on the woman to 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:23.200 come home and cook even after working a little bit. 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:25.560 So it was economical of fed large groups. Every was 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:28.960 happy faster than the nineteen sixties and seventies green Bean 0:21:29.000 --> 0:21:32.480 cast Role. They saw an opportunity of Campbell's going on, 0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:35.919 how can we increase market share? So they started passing 0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:40.240 out recipe cards in grocery stores, Adam and magazin women's 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:42.359 magazines too, and so that started to catch on. And 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:46.159 then someone decided, hey, right around Thanksgiving, we should promote. 0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:48.760 Now if we made this a side dish on Thanksgiving 0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:53.400 and marketed towards that, now we can really sell some 0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:56.159 soup mix. It was at about big green bean or 0:21:56.200 --> 0:21:59.280 big fried onion or whatever the hell else you put 0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:01.840 in that thing, Campbell soup. Do we want to sell 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:04.560 more soup? I get that one, and now some thirty 0:22:04.600 --> 0:22:07.240 million households will serve green Bean cast Role on Thursday. 0:22:08.200 --> 0:22:12.880 They sell over forty percent of their cream of mushroom 0:22:12.920 --> 0:22:19.199 soup is produced from November to December every year. What 0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:23.359 other time would you eat cream of mushroom soup? That 0:22:23.440 --> 0:22:24.720 doesn't even sound good? 0:22:25.040 --> 0:22:25.360 I could? 0:22:25.600 --> 0:22:28.280 Okay, Hey hook me up with a can of Campbell's 0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:30.359 Tomato fire. 0:22:30.400 --> 0:22:31.800 Some grilled cheese. Let's go. 0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:35.200 I I really like their chicken noodle soup. It tastes 0:22:35.240 --> 0:22:38.439 like being a little kid again. There are countless Campbell 0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:40.399 soup flavors. Oh look at I go wow that. Oh ye, 0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:44.080 I can mess with that. But who's actually eating cream 0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:47.480 of mushroom soup? When it's not things, when it's not Thanksgiving. 0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:52.080 It just something about it by itself. It's because you 0:22:52.200 --> 0:22:54.679 take it's like kind of this gelatinous mass. It's just 0:22:54.800 --> 0:22:58.600 it's nasty. So the issue is there's nostalgia involved. You 0:22:58.600 --> 0:23:00.800 grew up eating Campbell soup. You can go to the 0:23:01.000 --> 0:23:04.399 green bean castrole and so there's no nostalgia there, and 0:23:04.440 --> 0:23:06.600 it's easy to make and the taste it hits every time. 0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:08.480 If you like the green Bee castle, like many many 0:23:08.480 --> 0:23:10.919 people do. I just it got to me going you 0:23:11.000 --> 0:23:14.080 put so much work into making everything else. You're not, like, 0:23:15.080 --> 0:23:18.400 I don't know, getting a box of instant mashed potatoes? 0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:20.399 Are you serving that? I know some people might do 0:23:20.440 --> 0:23:23.800 it because they can't cook, But if you can't cook, 0:23:23.880 --> 0:23:26.320 you shouldn't be hosting Thanksgiving in the first place. I 0:23:26.520 --> 0:23:29.400 don't cook, So okay, I'll go to somebody else's house 0:23:29.440 --> 0:23:32.960 and have them cook somebody who enjoys cooking. But geez, 0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:35.000 don't show up the green bean castro. Good lord, I 0:23:35.040 --> 0:23:37.800 know countless people love. And that's why this time every 0:23:37.840 --> 0:23:41.640 year I declare ghat against green bean castrole, simply because 0:23:43.040 --> 0:23:45.080 it just doesn't hold up to everything else on the table. 0:23:46.640 --> 0:23:48.720 I mean even I give ben places like I don't 0:23:48.760 --> 0:23:51.359 really cook, or you know you're you're young and single. Okay, 0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:54.240 so you brought I don't know brownies. I mean, like 0:23:54.240 --> 0:23:56.040 anybody can make brownies. I don't even know if you 0:23:56.040 --> 0:23:57.720 made it from scratch, because you can't really tell the different. 0:23:57.920 --> 0:23:59.959 I guess I shouldn't say that, because if you had 0:24:00.000 --> 0:24:01.879 a really really good brownie versus what comes in a 0:24:01.960 --> 0:24:05.160 box of duncan heines different story. But for some reason 0:24:05.200 --> 0:24:07.760 that doesn't a family the green bean castle does. Maybe 0:24:07.760 --> 0:24:09.919 because dessert to me is more like an afterthought. I'm 0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:12.560 not a big dessert guy. I will, by the way, 0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:16.439 have a slice of pecan pie, which I keep saying this. 0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:19.080 They were in studio last week the Dorothy Lane market people. 0:24:19.119 --> 0:24:21.399 I stopped by the one in Mason yesterday got a 0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:23.600 bunch of stuff for Thursday. But I did buy a 0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:27.560 pecan pie, because honestly, that is the best pecan pie. 0:24:27.440 --> 0:24:28.840 Think I've ever had. 0:24:29.040 --> 0:24:30.880 Now, somebody's gonna climb Oh, you gotta go here, guy, 0:24:30.840 --> 0:24:32.760 I don't want to turn into that topic. But nonetheless, 0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:34.919 it's a damn good pecan pie. Will say that. So 0:24:35.520 --> 0:24:37.600 I like the pecan pie a couple times a year. 0:24:37.920 --> 0:24:39.560 That would be it, right there, that would be it. 0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:43.440 But the creama mushroom soup of cream of mushroom soup 0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:49.119 sales happen this time year. It exists simply for Thanksgivin's 0:24:49.520 --> 0:24:52.479 that blow you away. I guess if we sold almost 0:24:52.520 --> 0:24:55.199 half of your inventory at that point, the question is 0:24:55.200 --> 0:24:57.480 who where's the other sixty percent the rest of the 0:24:57.520 --> 0:25:00.840 year that's eating at Campbell's Cream Mushroom. There's some weird 0:25:00.840 --> 0:25:03.040 ones like creama celery. If you just look through the 0:25:03.080 --> 0:25:06.040 Campbell soup flavors, I might have to google that Campbell 0:25:06.080 --> 0:25:08.800 soup flavors. There's got to be some really weird one 0:25:09.600 --> 0:25:12.840 cream is celery and a cream mushroom. There's a beef 0:25:12.880 --> 0:25:15.320 in barley, which, okay, I kind of get that those 0:25:15.320 --> 0:25:18.520 two things go together, for sure. It's a classic, and 0:25:18.560 --> 0:25:20.119 they just you know, and the thing is you go 0:25:20.200 --> 0:25:21.879 look at soup? Did you ever just stand back and 0:25:21.920 --> 0:25:24.600 look at all the flavors Cambell soup, because there's they 0:25:24.760 --> 0:25:26.760 just picture in your mind in the grocery store. I'm 0:25:26.800 --> 0:25:29.520 not talking about like some of the other bougie Progresso, 0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:32.760 which actually does some pretty good soups, but looking at 0:25:32.800 --> 0:25:34.800 all the Campbell slavors, look at that, go wow, that's 0:25:34.920 --> 0:25:37.240 that's a lot of flavor souper right they're producing right there, 0:25:37.560 --> 0:25:40.359 I say cream tomato, chicken noodles or chicken with dars. 0:25:40.800 --> 0:25:42.440 I feel like a little kid. I think they have 0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:44.840 the alphabet chicken souper. Their chicken soup is pretty good. 0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:48.720 It's not bad, it's fine, but uh, cream Mushroom's like, man, 0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:50.960 I could really have a nice bullet cream mushroom soup. 0:25:51.040 --> 0:25:55.160 Creama celery sounds good, sounds like something Willy would. I'm 0:25:55.160 --> 0:25:58.360 gonna have soup. I demand creama a mushroom. I want 0:25:58.400 --> 0:25:59.200 creama celery. 0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:02.919 That's something that's old man flavor there. I just I 0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:03.240 don't know. 0:26:03.480 --> 0:26:05.480 And Florence Robert, you're on the Scotsland Show. Thanks for 0:26:05.520 --> 0:26:07.480 checking in, Happy Thanks skiving, what do you got? 0:26:08.280 --> 0:26:10.440 Good morning? Hey, So my wife makes a good dish 0:26:10.440 --> 0:26:15.239 with pork chops with the creama mushroom soup over that 0:26:15.320 --> 0:26:18.200 works really well. She fries up the pork chops, layers 0:26:18.200 --> 0:26:20.960 it with that creama mushroom and it's delicious. So yeah, 0:26:21.080 --> 0:26:24.000 other than the other than that in the broxy, I'm 0:26:24.040 --> 0:26:25.119 not sure what else to do with it. 0:26:25.200 --> 0:26:30.240 But over those yeah, I was wonder if anybody's I mean, yeah, 0:26:30.280 --> 0:26:30.959 i'd messed with that. 0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:32.600 That sounds that sounds not bad. 0:26:32.640 --> 0:26:34.680 But I just wonder who's going, Wow, I just want 0:26:34.680 --> 0:26:36.760 a bowl of cream, but who's just eating the crey. 0:26:36.800 --> 0:26:40.280 It's ingreded It's a gravy, right, it's it's a condiment. 0:26:40.320 --> 0:26:41.440 It helps everything. 0:26:41.080 --> 0:26:44.400 Else, that's what it does. It makes that gravy over 0:26:44.400 --> 0:26:46.720 those port chops. My wife, Yam Pagan, does a great 0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:49.200 job with that. So that's when we get some more of. 0:26:49.080 --> 0:26:53.159 That, all right, youtwo buddy, Hey Dan, next time you 0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:55.359 have pork chops, I'm coming over. That sounds pretty good. There, 0:26:55.359 --> 0:26:57.320 I messed with that, but you're sitting down, okay. So 0:26:57.480 --> 0:26:59.880 it is a it's it's it's an ingredient for their diction. 0:27:01.960 --> 0:27:04.080 No one's eating cream of celery. What do you use cream? 0:27:04.080 --> 0:27:07.160 Of celery soup for they still make that even I'm 0:27:07.160 --> 0:27:08.600 gonna do this, let me take a time out. I'm 0:27:08.600 --> 0:27:10.320 gonna google this and I'm gonna have an answer for you. 0:27:10.400 --> 0:27:12.440 Now I'm curious as well. Scott's loan show back in 0:27:12.440 --> 0:27:15.840 about four here seven hundred ww yeah means abating the 0:27:16.440 --> 0:27:20.080 mushroom soup that Campbell's makes, and who eats mushroom soup 0:27:20.119 --> 0:27:23.080 if it's not part of a recipe, goes to undermine 0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:25.760 my or support my argument, undermine green Bean Castle as 0:27:25.800 --> 0:27:27.679 it is, especially with this being g Hodday on the 0:27:27.680 --> 0:27:31.040 show against green Bean cast role. Martin Bailey, who's a 0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:34.360 vice president and chief information security officer Campbell is called 0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:39.200 Campbell Scott in the meeting, saying recorded by the way saying, 0:27:39.240 --> 0:27:43.680 we have s the S word shapep we have asked 0:27:43.760 --> 0:27:46.520 for fing poor people who buys our s. I don't 0:27:46.520 --> 0:27:50.199 buy Campbell's products barely anymore, buy you engineered meat. I 0:27:50.200 --> 0:27:52.200 don't want to eat a piece of chicken that came 0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:56.600 from a three D printer. You know, I'll be honest 0:27:56.640 --> 0:28:00.560 with you. I need a piece of chicken came from 0:28:00.560 --> 0:28:02.280 a three D printer. I mean, I at least try 0:28:02.359 --> 0:28:04.960 try anything how bad could it be? How bad could 0:28:04.960 --> 0:28:06.480 it be for you? I mean, maybe not a steady 0:28:06.520 --> 0:28:06.879 diet of it. 0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:07.359 I don't know. 0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:09.439 We don't know the long term consequences of that. With 0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:12.560 new stuff. We never do, but I don't know. I 0:28:12.560 --> 0:28:15.760 mean stomach acid hits that digest you take the nutrients out, 0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:18.119 anything bad you poop out sounds like a kind of 0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:22.720 a win Win engineered chicken. Yeah, that guy's gonna have 0:28:22.760 --> 0:28:24.920 a That's gonna be a rough holiday for you. Don't 0:28:24.960 --> 0:28:27.439 want to be crapping on Campbell's around Thanksgiving. That's like 0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:30.160 this is their super Bowl. It's a super Bowl of soup, 0:28:30.200 --> 0:28:33.600 specifically the mushroom soup. I mentioned the hideous flavors are 0:28:33.600 --> 0:28:35.680 out there, and I guess the cream of celery has 0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:39.200 been discontinued. I'm looking at twenty one soups, most of 0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:43.120 them discontinued from the history of Campbell's celery soup, pepper 0:28:43.160 --> 0:28:48.320 pot soup, the bean soup, the pea soup, mock turtle soup, 0:28:48.600 --> 0:28:51.320 unless you're the Brown family, the only one in twenty 0:28:51.360 --> 0:28:54.840 twenty five eating mock turtle soup anymore. They did that 0:28:54.920 --> 0:28:57.160 media day once a year, and they always serve the 0:28:57.200 --> 0:29:02.400 mock turtle soup just screens old asparagus soup that doesn't 0:29:02.440 --> 0:29:07.520 sound good. A julienne soup, no idea. Print and ear 0:29:07.640 --> 0:29:10.160 print p r I n t A n I e 0:29:10.240 --> 0:29:14.640 are printineer soup no idea. Uh wait, there's a description here. 0:29:14.680 --> 0:29:17.840 Printedeer is exquisitely bended blended chicken and beef broth with 0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:24.160 vegetables and fancy shapes, gels and can overnight excellent. I 0:29:24.200 --> 0:29:27.320 need some jellied soup. Sounds good. They had oxtail soup 0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:30.800 at one time. Oxtail by itself is actually pretty good 0:29:30.840 --> 0:29:32.360 if you if you braise it right. 0:29:33.320 --> 0:29:33.680 What else? 0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:36.400 Mutton soup O good, Lord help us? And a consumme, 0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:40.760 a consumme. So they're all there. Those are the flavors 0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:44.080 of Thanksgiving past with the campbell soup com Well, now 0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:46.640 they broken it out, and you know you've got chunky 0:29:46.680 --> 0:29:50.040 soup and everything else, but oyster seuw and mock turtle 0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:52.600 soup and the cream of celery are no longer, so 0:29:52.640 --> 0:29:54.640 they're down due I don't know, like a dozen or 0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:56.400 so flavors right now. And then you get the chunky's 0:29:56.400 --> 0:29:58.760 and the homostile soups and that's why the soup aisle 0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:01.400 is so full. One of the ones I have today. 0:30:01.440 --> 0:30:04.000 I look at the future genermists, look at going. I'm 0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:08.120 not sure about that. They have a They're discontinued. When 0:30:08.120 --> 0:30:09.760 I saw that's kind of like, what were you thinking? 0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:15.600 Chunky Philly style cheese steak soup. Wow, cheese steak soup? 0:30:15.640 --> 0:30:19.160 Does I like cheese steak? I'm not gonna touch that. 0:30:19.200 --> 0:30:23.000 They also have the uh cheddar cheese soup cheese soup thin. 0:30:23.040 --> 0:30:27.000 Giving a bowl of cheese sounds good anyway? Five one 0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:29.000 three s four, nine thousand and eight of the Big 0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:30.920 One talk back. I heard radio app all this because 0:30:30.920 --> 0:30:32.200 I hate green bean Castle. You can be lave it 0:30:32.240 --> 0:30:35.000 twenty minutes a bitching about green bean Castle. Do what 0:30:35.080 --> 0:30:36.760 you're sitting in your car or your home, wherever you're listening, 0:30:36.760 --> 0:30:38.480 stuck in traffic going, then just don't eat a dummy. 0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:42.640 I know I won't, but I I have to profess 0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:43.960 my hatred of green bean castrole. 0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:44.760 That's all there is to it. 0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:48.080 The idea behind it is just insulting, is what it is. 0:30:48.160 --> 0:30:50.640 And I'm fine with Campbell soup like you know, tomato soup, 0:30:50.800 --> 0:30:53.560 chicken noodle. They don't do the chicken the alphabet chicken 0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:55.320 soup is gone. I don't know if they still do 0:30:55.320 --> 0:30:57.320 the chicken with stars goes to show the last of 0:30:57.400 --> 0:31:00.840 my body can of soup. Nonetheless, I should really have 0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:03.200 done this topic before Bill Cunningham, because no one he's 0:31:03.240 --> 0:31:05.080 at the age now where at least one meal a 0:31:05.160 --> 0:31:08.840 day of involved soup to be a perfect topic for him. Anyway, 0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:11.600 let me hit Chris next and Cincy, what's up man? 0:31:14.040 --> 0:31:16.600 Hey Slony, it's Chris. I just want to let you 0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:19.880 know that growing up, I used to have creama mushroom soup. 0:31:20.400 --> 0:31:22.880 My mom would make it. You would dump the condensed 0:31:22.880 --> 0:31:25.360 soup into his thoughts hand. We would do one can 0:31:25.960 --> 0:31:29.280 of milk. We'd get up, we would heat it up, 0:31:29.320 --> 0:31:32.280 and we would serve it with like saltines or rich crackers. 0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:36.520 Like I had that for lunch on weekends and like 0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:38.960 during a Christmas break as a kid, and even now 0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:41.640 every once in a while as an adult, I think, gosh, 0:31:41.760 --> 0:31:43.720 maybe I'll have some mushroom soup for lunch. 0:31:44.440 --> 0:31:46.160 Wow, you could be one of the few people eating 0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:48.040 creama mushroom soup, not a Thanksgiving. 0:31:48.120 --> 0:31:49.520 That's incredible. You're like a unicorn. 0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:54.440 Man, I don't know about that, but that was that 0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:56.320 was before three D printer, so I think they were 0:31:56.360 --> 0:31:57.360 real mushrooms back then. 0:31:57.440 --> 0:31:57.600 Night. 0:31:59.200 --> 0:32:01.480 Seriously, man, when you mess, you'd mess with the three 0:32:01.560 --> 0:32:02.920 D chicken breast just once. 0:32:02.760 --> 0:32:06.840 Right, Yeah, I think I try it with you, like, 0:32:06.880 --> 0:32:07.600 if you taste. 0:32:07.360 --> 0:32:09.280 It like it tastes pretty good, this isn't bad. And 0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:11.200 how much does it cost? Oh, it's pretty cheap, but 0:32:11.360 --> 0:32:12.400 it's genetically modified. 0:32:12.400 --> 0:32:15.040 I don't know. It tastes like chicken like I don't know. 0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:15.800 I look at these soups. 0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:17.520 You've had that taste like other things, and you know 0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:19.760 there's nothing Most of the stuff we eat is artificially 0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:20.800 flavor with those difference. 0:32:22.320 --> 0:32:24.920 Yeah, but that that cream mushroom floony, I'm toonia with some. 0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:28.400 Rich crackers and stuff. It's not alright, I stu. I said, 0:32:28.440 --> 0:32:30.520 it's not bad. It's worth a shot. 0:32:30.520 --> 0:32:32.320 If you ever get a clamor for it. But I 0:32:32.360 --> 0:32:33.480 got I appreciate you. 0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:36.160 And all right, I love that brother, Thanks man, I 0:32:36.160 --> 0:32:39.120 appreciate you. Yeah, I don't think there's every time in 0:32:39.160 --> 0:32:40.400 my life that I go I'm think i'mnna have some 0:32:40.480 --> 0:32:45.480 cream and mushroom soup simply because to me, it would 0:32:45.520 --> 0:32:47.880 just remind me of the green bean castrole. Maybe that's 0:32:47.920 --> 0:32:49.600 what it is for people. If you just eat the soup, 0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:54.920 it's like green bean castle. Oh, Crambell Soup Company is 0:32:54.920 --> 0:32:57.960 still rocking and rolling. VP is not helping. You're not 0:32:58.000 --> 0:33:03.920 helping us. Put me down. Put me down for a 0:33:03.960 --> 0:33:07.280 half of genetically modified three D printed chicken. Just put 0:33:07.280 --> 0:33:10.800 me down for a half of rotisserie. You could come 0:33:10.840 --> 0:33:13.560 out season to the printer. We'll pick this up at 0:33:13.560 --> 0:33:17.040 a later date. Anyway, enough bs, we've got news on 0:33:17.040 --> 0:33:18.720 the way in just a few minutes. Speaking of eating 0:33:18.760 --> 0:33:21.840 yourself stupid, I have this guy in once a year, 0:33:21.880 --> 0:33:24.520 maybe sometimes twice year. His name is David Bissonette, and 0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:28.760 he has research. He has researched why we overeat, essentially 0:33:28.800 --> 0:33:31.160 because food This is like the Golden Age, right, food 0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:35.280 taste amazing. Look at the flavors from Campbell's past terrible, right, 0:33:35.280 --> 0:33:38.240 we look like the gold Everything's delicious right now and 0:33:38.280 --> 0:33:42.000 it's only going to get better. And it's delicious because 0:33:42.080 --> 0:33:46.760 companies engineer food to make us eat more than we 0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:51.400 should past our point of being satiated. It's called the 0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:54.400 bliss point. David Bisonette is next as we head into Thanksgiving, 0:33:54.400 --> 0:33:56.440 an appropriate topic on the Scott Sloan Show, Home of 0:33:56.480 --> 0:33:59.760 the Best Bengals coverage seven hundred to. 0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:05.239 An American floating here on seven hundred wlwe are at 0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:07.920 that time of year now, probably started with Halloween, but 0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:11.040 with Thanksgiving looming here literally on the horizon. 0:34:11.080 --> 0:34:12.680 We can see it, we can smell it, we can 0:34:12.719 --> 0:34:15.560 teach it, we can almost touch it. And that is 0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:18.120 the amount of food we're gonna eat. A lot of food, 0:34:18.239 --> 0:34:20.560 and a lot of it not good for us, a 0:34:20.560 --> 0:34:24.640 lot of ultra processed foods. And there's something called the 0:34:24.680 --> 0:34:26.880 bliss point. You wonder why you don't stop beating when 0:34:26.920 --> 0:34:29.120 you're full. You only stop beating when you hate yourself, 0:34:29.320 --> 0:34:33.360 and that is because of the confluence of fat, salt, 0:34:33.400 --> 0:34:36.120 and sugar. Food scientists are a long time have been 0:34:36.120 --> 0:34:38.719 developing that they've cracked the code years ago, and when 0:34:38.760 --> 0:34:41.480 those three things are together in the right balance and 0:34:41.520 --> 0:34:44.480 the right harmony, you literally unlock the code to get 0:34:44.520 --> 0:34:48.239 people to gorge themselves, stuff themselves silly. And that's what 0:34:48.280 --> 0:34:51.200 we face. The science behind that. Doctor David Bissonette is 0:34:51.239 --> 0:34:53.880 here is a nutritional scientist and joins the show on 0:34:54.000 --> 0:34:56.080 seven hundred, Why doctor, how are you. 0:34:56.680 --> 0:34:59.120 I'm very well, god, very good, good hopefully. 0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:00.759 I described that correctly. But in fat, salt, and. 0:35:00.800 --> 0:35:04.560 Sugar, yeah job, yeah, yeah. But it's interesting because this 0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:06.960 is this is literally decades and decades and decades of 0:35:07.000 --> 0:35:09.160 research to come up with what they call the bliss point. 0:35:10.600 --> 0:35:10.839 Yep. 0:35:11.280 --> 0:35:15.160 Yeah, they're they're developed in sensory evaluation labs in these 0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:20.319 corporate headquarters and labs, and they determine where it is, 0:35:20.520 --> 0:35:24.359 like you said, where the high excitation points are for 0:35:24.520 --> 0:35:28.880 different foods combinations of assault, sugar and fat, and they 0:35:29.160 --> 0:35:32.080 indeed it dick people and it causes what they call 0:35:32.320 --> 0:35:36.399 repeat acquisition behavior going back to it because you love it, 0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:39.200 but like you said, it's really bad for you. So 0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:43.400 I described this, I investigate this in the book Insatiable Nations, 0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:45.839 Unpeaceable Hunger, And that's it. 0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:48.680 Right as we have Yeah, for the longest time, I mean, 0:35:48.760 --> 0:35:51.120 food was okay, I eat to live, to work, and 0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:53.080 then I eat some more to fuel. So because I'm 0:35:53.080 --> 0:35:56.759 working physically and in the modern area in America and 0:35:57.080 --> 0:35:59.839 in the modernized world, that's changed, right, We are largely set, 0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:04.759 and yet food has now become entertainment. It's also become delicious, 0:36:04.800 --> 0:36:07.640 which we didn't have as is probably as recently as 0:36:07.640 --> 0:36:08.600 a couple generations ago. 0:36:08.719 --> 0:36:12.120 I guess, oh yeah, you got that right. We were 0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:16.880 very complex and we eat for emotional reasons, and the 0:36:16.920 --> 0:36:22.520 research is now showing that this is actually caused by 0:36:22.600 --> 0:36:26.520 depression and anxiety. We see that prevalence still high depression, 0:36:26.840 --> 0:36:30.319 high anxiety, emotional eating. We have stress eating, and we 0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:34.880 have we call mindless habit driven eating. And this is 0:36:35.000 --> 0:36:39.320 where it becomes potentially disastrous for kids to be introduced 0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:42.960 to these foods early on, because they carry them forward 0:36:43.480 --> 0:36:47.359 and that's exactly what they do. It's mindless eating. It's 0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:49.720 a default and it's terrible. 0:36:50.280 --> 0:36:51.359 How did we get to that point? 0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:52.920 I mean, if you think about how absurd it is 0:36:52.920 --> 0:36:54.759 that I would get home after a long day of 0:36:54.800 --> 0:36:57.919 work and have dinner and hour whatever it is, Okay, 0:36:57.920 --> 0:36:59.520 I'm going to open a box of cheese it's or 0:36:59.600 --> 0:37:02.239 drida and sit there and watch TV and shovel them 0:37:02.280 --> 0:37:05.880 in my face unconsciously, just loading myself with calories. 0:37:05.880 --> 0:37:07.440 And it's you know what, I don't know about you. 0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:14.040 It's awesome, but you're doing it. 0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:16.200 It's often for the time you're doing it, but remember 0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:20.560 you feel loudy after. So we have two basic mechanisms 0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:24.960 to control appetite. One's called the homeostatic mechanism. It's balanced 0:37:24.960 --> 0:37:27.959 in the body. It's based on energy reserves and that 0:37:28.200 --> 0:37:31.879 normally should suffice right to say, Okay, you've got enough 0:37:31.880 --> 0:37:35.160 fat reserves, and it has all kinds of you know, 0:37:35.800 --> 0:37:38.800 hormones to sort of stop the eating, and it's a 0:37:38.840 --> 0:37:42.279 it's a pretty good mechanism. But we also have what 0:37:42.360 --> 0:37:46.160 they call the hidonic eating, right, the pleasure centered eating, 0:37:47.000 --> 0:37:49.480 which you know really is in the frontal lobe of 0:37:49.520 --> 0:37:53.000 the brain. And that explains why it is a Thanksgiving 0:37:53.480 --> 0:37:56.719 that we fill ourselves with turkey and really say we 0:37:56.760 --> 0:38:00.359 couldn't eat another bite, yet when the pumpkin pie comes out, 0:38:00.760 --> 0:38:05.680 we have one and two pieces. So that is basically 0:38:05.719 --> 0:38:10.240 what's happening is that our hedonic center, the pleasure center, 0:38:10.920 --> 0:38:14.520 is causing us to overeat beyond what we need and 0:38:14.600 --> 0:38:16.920 like you said, we enjoy it, but only for a 0:38:16.960 --> 0:38:17.520 short time. 0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:21.080 Yeah, because the misery lasts longer. You're miserable for days 0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:23.239 after you stuff yourself with thanks Kim. It's the best 0:38:23.239 --> 0:38:25.120 when you're eating, and then after you feel like hell, 0:38:25.360 --> 0:38:27.600 and you know, you don't eat, you don't you don't 0:38:27.600 --> 0:38:29.520 eat till you're full, You'll eat till you hate yourself. 0:38:30.600 --> 0:38:30.839 Yep. 0:38:31.040 --> 0:38:34.959 Yeah, And we do that consistently, even though we say, 0:38:35.000 --> 0:38:36.680 all right, next time, I'm not going to do this. 0:38:36.840 --> 0:38:40.319 But you know, it's very enticing and it's part of 0:38:40.760 --> 0:38:44.319 you know, it should be part of a you know, 0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:50.000 sort of a almost like a moral base behavior fixed 0:38:50.080 --> 0:38:53.399 on temperance. Right, It's kind of like a discipline that 0:38:53.440 --> 0:38:56.720 we need to sort of exercise more in our lives. 0:38:56.760 --> 0:39:00.000 But this is really difficult to do because the food 0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:03.880 food industry promotes right with very sophisticated ads. Give you 0:39:03.920 --> 0:39:09.080 an example, nineteen ninety seven Madison, you know, Medisine Street 0:39:08.960 --> 0:39:14.880 and Madison Avenue. Advertisers are spending seven billion dollars in 0:39:15.280 --> 0:39:19.480 advertising foods of all sorts. The USDA's budget was three 0:39:19.600 --> 0:39:22.719 hundred and thirty three millions, and so the co and 0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:25.360 that was to promote healthy food. And when you have 0:39:25.640 --> 0:39:31.720 this kind of dichotomy, right, you can't overcome it easily. 0:39:31.760 --> 0:39:35.160 And that's why my book Insatiable I talk about radical 0:39:35.280 --> 0:39:37.920 shifts in the you know, in our lifestyle and in 0:39:37.960 --> 0:39:41.120 our diet that we need to sort of promote. One is, 0:39:41.200 --> 0:39:43.759 you know, stop the soda pop, right, it's not a 0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:46.280 negotiable because it's too addictance. 0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:49.759 You can vilify certainly the fast food industry, the quick 0:39:49.800 --> 0:39:51.680 food industry, the premide food industry. 0:39:52.719 --> 0:39:52.920 You know. 0:39:53.120 --> 0:39:55.120 But but I guess I don't know. I've almost said 0:39:55.120 --> 0:39:57.120 this is kind of like a negative to capitalism. But 0:39:57.200 --> 0:39:59.640 you know, they've got to increase their margins. They've got 0:39:59.680 --> 0:40:01.959 to make more. They got to find ways for people 0:40:01.960 --> 0:40:03.799 to buy more food. And for people to buy more food, 0:40:03.800 --> 0:40:05.440 they have to consume the food that they're eating. And 0:40:05.520 --> 0:40:07.560 so you want to sell more pop and chips and 0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:09.080 candy and things that are processed. 0:40:09.239 --> 0:40:10.000 I get that old point. 0:40:10.040 --> 0:40:11.600 It's up to us to show some restraint, but it's 0:40:11.640 --> 0:40:14.560 difficult the way is formulated. I get that whole model. 0:40:14.719 --> 0:40:16.800 I guess the other side before someone takes away is 0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:19.080 you know, this is bashing big food and everything. You know, 0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:21.960 look that we have done for for example, you don't 0:40:22.000 --> 0:40:24.200 see people starving to death anymore. You look at all 0:40:24.200 --> 0:40:26.319 of the you know, you look at all of the 0:40:27.239 --> 0:40:30.920 maladies that our generations before us suffered from. Malnutrition wise 0:40:31.000 --> 0:40:34.280 and brain development and bone density, and all those things, 0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:36.880 and you know that's in the rear view mirror in 0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:39.520 the modern world. Now, that downside is we're killing ourselves 0:40:39.560 --> 0:40:40.680 with that same knife and fork. 0:40:40.680 --> 0:40:42.160 We've gone to the other extreme. 0:40:42.200 --> 0:40:45.200 But you know, because of the ready available of food, 0:40:45.239 --> 0:40:48.560 because the prices have dropped because of that technology, it's 0:40:48.600 --> 0:40:51.560 eliminated starvation, which was a scourge for the world for 0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:54.160 most of the time humans have been on this planet. 0:40:55.360 --> 0:40:58.640 Well, it's an interesting point you're making, but what we 0:40:59.120 --> 0:41:02.480 don't really realized is that back in the nineteen thirty 0:41:02.920 --> 0:41:06.640 America is teppered with malnutrician and that was within the 0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:11.040 era of the industrial revolution and mass production. So we 0:41:11.239 --> 0:41:14.759 actually did not solve the problem back then. It took 0:41:14.800 --> 0:41:18.480 a while to get onto the concept of fortification. But 0:41:18.560 --> 0:41:22.200 we're really fortifying food and that's what they were doing 0:41:22.440 --> 0:41:25.520 that were ultimately so highly processed that they. 0:41:25.400 --> 0:41:25.880 Were worked with. 0:41:26.719 --> 0:41:26.959 Yeah. 0:41:27.239 --> 0:41:29.160 Yeah, and you see that a lot today too, I 0:41:29.160 --> 0:41:31.960 guess is this setting up to be By the way, 0:41:32.280 --> 0:41:35.160 Doctor David Bissonett, he's a professor of nutrition, a doctorate 0:41:35.280 --> 0:41:39.799 nutritional science, writes about insatiable, about what's called the bliss point, 0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:43.840 and that is food manufacturer's process with manufacturers have developed 0:41:43.840 --> 0:41:46.319 and it depends obviously on the product because this has 0:41:46.360 --> 0:41:48.680 been researched and focused group to death that they have 0:41:48.760 --> 0:41:53.040 found the exact correct proportions when the salt and sugar 0:41:53.120 --> 0:41:55.399 and fat in a product to get you to eat 0:41:55.440 --> 0:41:57.200 as much as possible so they can sell more and 0:41:57.200 --> 0:42:00.480 make more money. And that is a capitalist dynamic right there, 0:42:00.520 --> 0:42:03.560 for good or for bad. But this is starting to 0:42:03.600 --> 0:42:06.000 sound like it's setting up to be maybe a lawsuit 0:42:06.040 --> 0:42:08.960 developed like we saw with big tobacco, right is, hey, 0:42:09.000 --> 0:42:12.640 we made a product that's highly addictive and dangerous. You 0:42:12.680 --> 0:42:15.840 can make that case with these types of processed foods, 0:42:15.840 --> 0:42:16.160 can't you? 0:42:17.120 --> 0:42:20.479 Oh you can. And in fact, it's very interestingly, these 0:42:20.640 --> 0:42:25.600 very tobacco companies that got their hands slapped are the 0:42:25.800 --> 0:42:31.560 very ones that bought Nubisco General Foods, and they mastered 0:42:32.320 --> 0:42:36.320 obviously the advertising, and they're applying the same concepts to 0:42:36.600 --> 0:42:40.240 food as they did to tobacco. They own the food company. 0:42:41.360 --> 0:42:43.680 Yeah, yeah, sure, and it's like, okay, we can do 0:42:43.760 --> 0:42:44.520 that only with food. 0:42:44.560 --> 0:42:44.799 Now. 0:42:45.160 --> 0:42:48.640 I think it's a more I don't know, improving in course. 0:42:48.640 --> 0:42:52.399 So for example, we know that tobacco, you know, by 0:42:52.440 --> 0:42:54.759 itself is less now I'm gonna say safe, but it's 0:42:54.840 --> 0:42:57.959 less dangerous until you start adding chemicals and all sorts 0:42:58.000 --> 0:43:00.759 of things to make it more addictive and consumable and 0:43:00.800 --> 0:43:03.640 preserve it. And that's what happens when you come buys tobacco, 0:43:03.719 --> 0:43:06.680 because now you've got tire and nicotine, and nicotine gets you. 0:43:07.040 --> 0:43:08.560 But there's no nicotine in food. 0:43:08.680 --> 0:43:11.000 How do you make the connection between a national physical 0:43:11.920 --> 0:43:15.360 addiction to something like tobacco and then try and translate 0:43:15.400 --> 0:43:16.440 that to potato chips. 0:43:16.480 --> 0:43:17.440 It's that element's not. 0:43:17.400 --> 0:43:22.080 There, you know. Yeah, it's very It's just I mean truly, 0:43:22.320 --> 0:43:25.920 the food that we eat is very high in sugar, 0:43:26.480 --> 0:43:29.319 and we have the food industry has vehicles to get 0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:31.240 that in. Just to give you an example, two thousand 0:43:31.280 --> 0:43:36.640 and eight, the soda pomp industry flooded, you know, the 0:43:37.200 --> 0:43:40.920 American landscape really with about the equivalent of fifty four 0:43:41.160 --> 0:43:45.960 gallons of available soda pomp for person per year. And 0:43:46.440 --> 0:43:50.160 that's incredible, and we were big consumers and that brought 0:43:50.239 --> 0:43:53.840 in extra calories, and these calories aren't good. I remember 0:43:54.320 --> 0:43:56.479 teaching down in Kentucky and there was the student teams 0:43:56.480 --> 0:44:00.360 to me and said, listen, I drink fourteen twelve ounce 0:44:00.480 --> 0:44:03.759 doctor pepper the day and feeling good. Yeah, do you 0:44:03.840 --> 0:44:04.960 have recommendations? 0:44:05.400 --> 0:44:05.759 And so. 0:44:07.320 --> 0:44:10.840 The band stupid, there's your recommendations. You're fatally stupid. 0:44:11.200 --> 0:44:15.120 He he was addicted. It was sugar highs and this 0:44:15.320 --> 0:44:17.560 is you know, has a certain part of the population 0:44:17.640 --> 0:44:20.360 affected by this. You'd be very surprised how many people 0:44:20.440 --> 0:44:23.480 actually consume sort of pop. But also you know, sweetened 0:44:23.760 --> 0:44:27.879 sweetened beverages as well, and you know also chips, which 0:44:27.920 --> 0:44:30.839 are very high in fat and our so tinety mechanism 0:44:31.000 --> 0:44:34.040 doesn't really kick in the same way for liquids and 0:44:34.120 --> 0:44:36.839 for high density things like chips, so they you know, 0:44:36.880 --> 0:44:39.160 they don't give us the signal okay, you've had enough, 0:44:39.520 --> 0:44:43.000 even though we may have you know, consumed twelve hundred 0:44:43.040 --> 0:44:45.000 calories and chips. 0:44:45.360 --> 0:44:47.880 Yeah, and it doesn't seem like it when you're eating it. 0:44:47.920 --> 0:44:50.239 That's the thing. It's calorically that it's dense, but it's 0:44:50.280 --> 0:44:50.760 not filling. 0:44:51.920 --> 0:44:55.720 It is correct. I've seen students down a full twelve 0:44:55.719 --> 0:44:58.400 ounce bag of potato chips and top that off with 0:44:58.480 --> 0:44:58.960 a pizza. 0:44:59.120 --> 0:44:59.359 Yep. 0:44:59.719 --> 0:45:01.920 Yeah, but it's great to have that younger person's metabolism. 0:45:02.000 --> 0:45:03.719 That's the thing, right because when I was younger. You know, 0:45:03.920 --> 0:45:06.360 you're playing sports or whatever. Yeah, you sit down. You 0:45:06.360 --> 0:45:09.080 could kill a two liter of pepsi in needle, half 0:45:09.080 --> 0:45:11.280 a loaf of bread, and an entire package of baloney 0:45:11.600 --> 0:45:12.799 and be hungry an hour later. 0:45:14.000 --> 0:45:17.040 Well, this is true, but what we don't realize is 0:45:17.040 --> 0:45:21.000 these foods that are you know, high and fat actually 0:45:21.040 --> 0:45:24.640 cause damage to the body. We have a new phenomena, right, 0:45:24.680 --> 0:45:28.600 it's a non alcoholic sabby liver disease. And this is leading, 0:45:29.360 --> 0:45:31.440 This is going to lead in the next decades to 0:45:31.600 --> 0:45:35.920 higher needs for liver transplants. We are sickening our people 0:45:36.040 --> 0:45:38.800 because of that. We think, oh, we have a high metabolism. 0:45:38.880 --> 0:45:39.239 Not so. 0:45:40.280 --> 0:45:45.240 That level of intake actually causes accelerated synthesis of fat 0:45:45.640 --> 0:45:51.200 in the liver, coming primarily from hyper corn syrups some theory, 0:45:51.520 --> 0:45:53.840 but certainly it's from the sugar, the high serger loads 0:45:53.840 --> 0:45:56.279 that we're eating. So no, this is not about an 0:45:56.280 --> 0:45:59.560 issue of high metabolism and how lucky we are. We're 0:45:59.600 --> 0:46:03.839 setting up those young people for a chronic life of 0:46:04.280 --> 0:46:05.280 you know, chronic disease. 0:46:05.320 --> 0:46:07.279 Well, there lies the problem, doctor, right, is it? You 0:46:07.320 --> 0:46:11.000 know you can you need more calories when you're growing obviously, 0:46:11.080 --> 0:46:12.800 and that's why you know, you look at a teenage 0:46:12.800 --> 0:46:14.600 boy and it's my god, how much money and food? 0:46:14.600 --> 0:46:14.759 Am I? 0:46:15.200 --> 0:46:15.759 This is great. 0:46:15.800 --> 0:46:17.440 I got to work a third job in order to 0:46:17.600 --> 0:46:20.840 afford just the food. But the problem is you continue 0:46:20.840 --> 0:46:22.960 those eating patterns, and many people, when they get to 0:46:23.000 --> 0:46:25.759 their late twenties orly thirties maybe forties, continue to eat 0:46:25.800 --> 0:46:28.520 like they're a teenager. That's when the weight gets packed on. 0:46:29.440 --> 0:46:32.320 Well yeah, absolutely. But the thing that you're not mentioning 0:46:32.400 --> 0:46:36.000 here that's in the equation, yeah, is this high coloric 0:46:36.040 --> 0:46:40.439 load that's required is usually tied to the youth, absolutely, 0:46:40.920 --> 0:46:44.399 and to the high activity traditionally tagged to youth. This 0:46:44.480 --> 0:46:48.200 is not the case anymore. We actually have a condition 0:46:48.280 --> 0:46:52.719 called scientism. It's a new disease that's being investigated by 0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:58.040 physiologists because of the high degree of inactivity in the youth. 0:46:58.440 --> 0:47:01.200 They're actually developing old people's disease. 0:47:02.400 --> 0:47:06.160 Yeah, I mean we have one something yeah, something like 0:47:06.200 --> 0:47:08.520 one and four. I think I just read a stand 0:47:08.719 --> 0:47:12.160 on one and four. Young people between twelve and nineteen 0:47:12.160 --> 0:47:12.960 are pre diabetic. 0:47:14.160 --> 0:47:18.080 Oh yeah, yeah, it's it's it's an epidemic, absolutely, And 0:47:18.120 --> 0:47:21.160 the thing about diabetes is that you know, type two 0:47:21.160 --> 0:47:25.239 diabetes is that it's you know, ninety five percent associated 0:47:25.280 --> 0:47:28.960 with weighting right though, with obesity. So the only way 0:47:29.000 --> 0:47:31.640 to solve it, of course, is to eat leaner. And again, 0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:35.560 you know the book. If you go to insatiablewe dot com, 0:47:36.280 --> 0:47:38.959 which is the website, you'll get more information about the book, 0:47:39.000 --> 0:47:42.480 but also certain other ideas. I've got videos up there 0:47:42.520 --> 0:47:44.240 and stuff that tackle different subjects. 0:47:44.320 --> 0:47:44.880 Yeah, gotcha. 0:47:45.239 --> 0:47:47.440 There's the thing though, because it sounds like one may 0:47:47.520 --> 0:47:49.279 listen to you, doctor and gold. So what you're saying 0:47:49.400 --> 0:47:50.640 is make food less delicious. 0:47:51.960 --> 0:47:56.919 No food is supposed to be delicious. Using spices and herbs, 0:47:57.000 --> 0:48:00.520 it can be incredible. What happens is we've overst iimmolated 0:48:00.520 --> 0:48:03.759 our taste buds. And if you're going to make that 0:48:03.880 --> 0:48:08.040 radical shift to normal food, it takes a little while, 0:48:08.080 --> 0:48:10.160 but not that long. It takes a week or two 0:48:10.360 --> 0:48:14.520 getting off those highs and really realizing. You know, you 0:48:14.560 --> 0:48:16.319 know people say to me, oh, I can't get off 0:48:16.360 --> 0:48:19.360 soda pop. Well, you know these were patients of mine previously, 0:48:19.480 --> 0:48:21.479 and you know, within a week they say, oh my god, 0:48:21.520 --> 0:48:23.880 I feel so much better. Yeah, and I don't have 0:48:24.000 --> 0:48:26.200 craving for sugar. 0:48:26.000 --> 0:48:26.640 Like I used to do. 0:48:26.760 --> 0:48:31.440 So it's actually not that difficult, and it's really the 0:48:31.520 --> 0:48:35.080 stress of disengaging from that high level of sugar. It's 0:48:35.160 --> 0:48:37.400 really short lived. And the same thing goes for the 0:48:37.440 --> 0:48:42.040 foods our. Evolutionary genes were not meant to be adaptive 0:48:42.120 --> 0:48:44.160 to this high level of tape sensation. 0:48:45.120 --> 0:48:47.840 If we keep eating this way, though, doctor Bissonette, want 0:48:47.880 --> 0:48:50.920 our genetics change. I mean we all adapt to the environment. 0:48:50.960 --> 0:48:53.279 So if we continue to eat like we eat, don't 0:48:53.280 --> 0:48:55.160 dount our bodies to simply change. 0:48:55.160 --> 0:48:57.120 And it may take centuries, but don't we have. 0:48:57.080 --> 0:49:02.440 All Oh, really look more in terms of thousands of years, Okay, 0:49:02.600 --> 0:49:05.280 but really what we know in terms of epide genetic 0:49:05.360 --> 0:49:07.959 changes that take place in uteral For example, a mother 0:49:08.000 --> 0:49:12.200 that an expected mother that eats poorly, that's overweight, she 0:49:12.400 --> 0:49:16.760 passes on epigenetic changes to the baby, who then becomes 0:49:16.880 --> 0:49:21.680 prone to obesity and a variety of chronic diseases. So 0:49:21.719 --> 0:49:25.799 this genetic story really doesn't pan out correctly. Right, It 0:49:25.880 --> 0:49:29.080 does appear that we can have a formula like a 0:49:29.280 --> 0:49:33.400 code for help, and we can't really deviate from it 0:49:33.640 --> 0:49:36.840 unless we don't become chronically ill, and the United States 0:49:36.960 --> 0:49:39.720 is very chronically ill. You know, we have a healthcare 0:49:39.760 --> 0:49:43.960 expenditure of about three point seven billion dollars and seventy 0:49:43.960 --> 0:49:46.480 five percent of that is tied to chronic disease. Just 0:49:46.520 --> 0:49:47.160 think about it. 0:49:47.320 --> 0:49:48.880 Yeah, well, I mean you believe it. You see it 0:49:48.920 --> 0:49:51.719 all over right. We are literally the diseases we used 0:49:51.760 --> 0:49:53.279 to die. If you look back one hundred years, even 0:49:53.520 --> 0:49:56.200 as fascinated by the stuff, you don't you forgot existed 0:49:56.239 --> 0:49:57.920 in this country, you have to look up the definition 0:49:57.960 --> 0:49:59.160 of what it means hundred years ago. 0:49:59.800 --> 0:50:00.839 It's exactly happles to day. 0:50:00.840 --> 0:50:04.040 Everything is largely everything is based on what we consume, 0:50:04.080 --> 0:50:07.360 whether it's a cancer, uh, some forms of lymphoma, but 0:50:07.400 --> 0:50:09.680 most certainly heart disease and things. It's because of what 0:50:09.680 --> 0:50:11.359 we're putting in our bodies as opposed to what we're 0:50:11.360 --> 0:50:12.320 not putting in our bodies. 0:50:13.400 --> 0:50:18.360 There's high correlations to that, you know, quantic disease, colding cancer, 0:50:18.680 --> 0:50:22.359 very high association with you know, low fiber and poor 0:50:22.440 --> 0:50:25.239 dietary habits and lack of exercise as well. 0:50:26.120 --> 0:50:27.960 Yeah, well that's all the hard stuff, right, I mean, 0:50:28.000 --> 0:50:30.120 you know, eating whole grains and it doesn't taste as 0:50:30.160 --> 0:50:31.200 good as a bag of Doritos. 0:50:31.239 --> 0:50:32.600 I mean, you know you admit that, would you? 0:50:33.719 --> 0:50:35.880 I mean if you had a bag of doritos and 0:50:35.960 --> 0:50:38.200 I had a bag of kale chips, what would you reade? 0:50:38.320 --> 0:50:40.360 Now, you know you'd eat the kale chips. 0:50:40.480 --> 0:50:43.400 But you can't tell me that the doritos are the 0:50:43.400 --> 0:50:45.880 doritos are one hundred times more delicious than any cal chips. 0:50:46.400 --> 0:50:49.440 Well, listen, I go into this in the but but 0:50:49.719 --> 0:50:53.160 ultimately you shouldn't be eating chips. That's one of the 0:50:53.239 --> 0:50:58.439 radical changes. Chips have invaded our food supply in such 0:50:58.440 --> 0:51:02.000 a way that we have really caused a massive obedience 0:51:02.000 --> 0:51:05.919 in food behavior. Chips have virtually no nutritional value, yet, 0:51:06.080 --> 0:51:08.600 like you say, they're various goods and again a radical 0:51:08.640 --> 0:51:11.560 shift roup you know, stop, you know, to stop eating 0:51:11.600 --> 0:51:15.680 these will open up your case buds actually to appreciate 0:51:16.360 --> 0:51:19.239 the more subtle cases of fruit and vegetables. We see 0:51:19.239 --> 0:51:21.840 this problem in children who are brought up on chips 0:51:21.840 --> 0:51:24.760 and things of that nature. They will not eat fruits 0:51:24.760 --> 0:51:27.759 and vegetables. We hear mothers complain about it all the time. Well, 0:51:27.760 --> 0:51:31.319 what happened is they introduced it too early, right, and 0:51:31.360 --> 0:51:34.520 they for you know they forever captured their trillren so 0:51:34.600 --> 0:51:39.520 to speak into you know what it ends up to being, uh, 0:51:39.920 --> 0:51:42.120 you know, a weight management problem they can never get 0:51:42.120 --> 0:51:42.320 out of. 0:51:42.600 --> 0:51:44.319 All right, I gotta get gone, but I appreciate the time. 0:51:44.360 --> 0:51:47.920 Doctor David Bissonette, he's an Associate Professor nutrition, uh doctor 0:51:48.000 --> 0:51:50.880 in nutritional science, and writes about this and insatiable the 0:51:51.000 --> 0:51:54.480 nation's unappeased hunger. It certainly is the scourge of well, 0:51:54.560 --> 0:51:56.400 not just our generation, I think the past one, in 0:51:56.480 --> 0:51:58.440 future ones as well. Doctor all the best, thanks. 0:51:58.239 --> 0:51:59.640 Again, well, thank you very much. 0:52:00.480 --> 0:52:01.799 Also, I hope. 0:52:01.520 --> 0:52:05.360 That none of this, whether the conversation would dissuade you 0:52:05.400 --> 0:52:07.279 from eating like you're on death row, because I plan 0:52:07.360 --> 0:52:10.840 on doing that on Thursday myself. It's just interesting information 0:52:11.080 --> 0:52:13.319 and it's marketing and it's so American that we have 0:52:13.400 --> 0:52:15.680 developed food to make us eat, us eat past the 0:52:15.719 --> 0:52:17.480 point of being full, so we buy more, we eat more. 0:52:17.840 --> 0:52:20.440 If you know that, do with that information what you wish? 0:52:20.960 --> 0:52:24.000 I'm with you. I look, gluttony is it really should be? 0:52:24.000 --> 0:52:27.600 There should just be the sixths, especially this time of 0:52:27.640 --> 0:52:30.040 the year. Can we just table to gluttony for we're 0:52:30.120 --> 0:52:32.160 just pumped the Brakes on that shall we slowly seven 0:52:32.239 --> 0:52:38.120 hundred WLW. Here we go moments ago at the White House. 0:52:38.560 --> 0:52:42.560 The white turkey has been pardoned, the white turkey. The 0:52:42.600 --> 0:52:44.640 white turkey will be here at twelve oh six. Bill 0:52:44.640 --> 0:52:49.719 Cunningham on seven hundred WLW talking about American giblets and 0:52:49.719 --> 0:52:51.919 that little hag in piece of meat under the chin 0:52:52.000 --> 0:52:56.000 of a turkey. What is that called? It is a 0:52:56.080 --> 0:52:59.239 stupid looking bird, isn't it. What that gross, gross hanging down. 0:52:59.280 --> 0:53:01.759 I'm not quite sure what that is. And now the 0:53:01.800 --> 0:53:04.879 white turkey almost attacked some toddler in the White House 0:53:04.880 --> 0:53:07.480 press room. More in that with Brian Combs and Ricky Chino. 0:53:07.920 --> 0:53:11.359 When turkeys breakout, we break in here on the home 0:53:11.400 --> 0:53:13.360 of poultry, seven hundred W WALLW. 0:53:16.680 --> 0:53:17.840 So this happened to UC. 0:53:17.840 --> 0:53:20.320 Game, and it was an f the Mormon's chant that 0:53:20.400 --> 0:53:22.200 briefly broke out at in Ippert Stadium. I thought I 0:53:22.239 --> 0:53:23.719 read somewhere in social and if it's true or not 0:53:23.800 --> 0:53:25.320 that the pan on Steward said, knock. 0:53:25.200 --> 0:53:27.000 It off yesterday. 0:53:27.080 --> 0:53:31.000 This led Cincinnati Athletic Director John Cunningham to apologize to 0:53:31.040 --> 0:53:34.160 the Brigham Young community and the Church of Jesus Christ. 0:53:34.160 --> 0:53:38.520 The Latter Day Saints, not just UC but also Arizona 0:53:38.640 --> 0:53:42.080 and USC other schools whose student body have engaged in 0:53:42.120 --> 0:53:46.400 the same chant. Colorado was just find fifty thousand dollars 0:53:46.600 --> 0:53:49.160 by the Big Twelve when their student section broke out 0:53:49.200 --> 0:53:53.799 with that chant in September. Dion Sanders, by the way, 0:53:53.840 --> 0:53:56.799 he apologized, saying the obligatory that's not indicative of who 0:53:56.800 --> 0:53:58.600 we are, No, it is not, but it's indicative of 0:53:58.640 --> 0:54:00.560 the people who are shouting. And that's that's my problem 0:54:00.560 --> 0:54:03.600 with apologies. I think we are in the way. Too 0:54:03.600 --> 0:54:06.520 many apologies age in America. 0:54:07.360 --> 0:54:07.440 Now. 0:54:07.680 --> 0:54:11.520 Don't get me wrong. I certainly wouldn't chant f the Mormons, 0:54:12.360 --> 0:54:15.800 especially since you know they showed up whooped our butts 0:54:16.960 --> 0:54:22.399 and they donated. The traveling folks from Utah donated over 0:54:22.440 --> 0:54:25.440 twenty seven pounds of food to the Bearcat Food Pantry. 0:54:25.440 --> 0:54:28.759 It's the largest donationingle donation I've ever had. And in 0:54:28.800 --> 0:54:32.520 addition to that, at the Tilgate, over six hundred coats 0:54:32.520 --> 0:54:35.719 were donated by Cougar fans to the naacp CO drive. 0:54:35.960 --> 0:54:39.239 That's pretty cool considering the road trip, the length of 0:54:39.239 --> 0:54:41.000 the road trip. I don't if they came here and 0:54:41.000 --> 0:54:42.600 bought the coach and the can goods. I'm not sure, 0:54:42.600 --> 0:54:44.600 but that takes a lot. It's one thing to do 0:54:44.600 --> 0:54:46.640 it at home, but for a visiting team to do 0:54:46.719 --> 0:54:48.799 that and have knowledge of doing that ahead of time, 0:54:49.120 --> 0:54:50.200 that is spectacular. 0:54:50.280 --> 0:54:51.279 We should celebrate that. 0:54:52.960 --> 0:54:56.080 I don't know whoever chanted that f the Mormons, that 0:54:56.120 --> 0:54:58.799 they missed that whole thing, but yeah, it's I think 0:54:58.840 --> 0:55:01.040 we can agree that's atrocious. You shouldn't do that, and 0:55:01.040 --> 0:55:03.160 I'm going to make excuses for their behavior. What I 0:55:03.200 --> 0:55:08.200 want to talk about, though, is our apology culture. And 0:55:09.000 --> 0:55:13.640 it's because everyone has offended everything. And I'm not downplaying 0:55:13.680 --> 0:55:16.200 the insensitivity here of the f the Mormon stand. It's 0:55:16.200 --> 0:55:20.680 bigger than that, just the nature of apologies. The thing is, 0:55:20.680 --> 0:55:24.680 with apologies, I can only apologize for the things I 0:55:24.880 --> 0:55:28.879 do or did. Goodness knows all of us and our 0:55:28.960 --> 0:55:32.000 history and our life here on earth. We have things 0:55:32.120 --> 0:55:35.840 we apologize for or should have apologized before. That is 0:55:35.880 --> 0:55:38.440 an action or inaction, something you did, something you to 0:55:38.560 --> 0:55:41.640 think of, something crass, out of place, whatever it might be. 0:55:41.719 --> 0:55:43.839 We've all had our moments of not being the best 0:55:43.840 --> 0:55:46.200 person we possibly could. There's none of us out there 0:55:46.239 --> 0:55:48.600 haven't done something stupid, especially when we're younger and maybe 0:55:48.719 --> 0:55:52.160 under the influence of alcohol. It doesn't excuse the behavior, 0:55:52.800 --> 0:55:56.000 but it is up to the person who commits the 0:55:56.000 --> 0:56:01.799 offense to apologize. I don't understand why UCEE feels they 0:56:01.840 --> 0:56:05.239 need to apologize for something they had no control over. 0:56:05.560 --> 0:56:10.040 They didn't sanction, they didn't approve. It's not like, hey, 0:56:11.200 --> 0:56:13.640 if we're losing in the fourth quarter, we're gonna all 0:56:13.680 --> 0:56:16.520 start chatting together F the Mormons. Like if you see 0:56:16.560 --> 0:56:18.759 we're handing out towels that said F the Mormons on 0:56:18.800 --> 0:56:21.040 them and wave them, or t shirts with the UC 0:56:21.239 --> 0:56:23.560 logo on it, the barricat logo said F the Mormons. 0:56:24.920 --> 0:56:27.160 Y know, you should apologize for that, but they're not 0:56:27.200 --> 0:56:32.560 going to do that. You can't, you know, It's like 0:56:32.600 --> 0:56:36.320 I can't apologize for the actions of drunken fans. Why 0:56:36.560 --> 0:56:39.960 it just to me because it waters down apologies, Like 0:56:40.040 --> 0:56:43.200 everyone apologizing except for the people who did this is 0:56:43.520 --> 0:56:46.040 it's hollow and it reduces what an apology is and 0:56:46.080 --> 0:56:51.239 should be. You know, the idea of now because we 0:56:51.280 --> 0:56:55.240 abhor this behavior, why would you find a university fifty 0:56:55.280 --> 0:56:57.839 thousand dollars for something you had no control over? They 0:56:57.880 --> 0:56:59.480 tried to get them to shut up. The PA announced 0:56:59.480 --> 0:57:02.680 it allegedly told them to. I don't know what the 0:57:02.719 --> 0:57:06.399 wording is for that one. I don't know if it's 0:57:06.400 --> 0:57:11.319 just simply hey, shut the hell up, I don't know. 0:57:11.600 --> 0:57:14.880 But okay, we got to find you fifty grand. Why 0:57:15.000 --> 0:57:19.440 the universe had nothing to do with this, Well, we 0:57:19.440 --> 0:57:21.640 got to find you any Why Well, because we got 0:57:21.680 --> 0:57:23.560 to make it look like we don't condone this paper. Well, 0:57:23.560 --> 0:57:26.000 no kidding, ninety nine percent of the world does not 0:57:26.040 --> 0:57:29.840 condone this behavior, of course, not whatever epithet it might 0:57:29.920 --> 0:57:33.720 be normal saying well adjusted, well meaning, balanced people look 0:57:33.760 --> 0:57:36.480 at that and go, yeah, that's offensive, that's stupid, You're 0:57:36.480 --> 0:57:37.000 an idiot. 0:57:37.760 --> 0:57:38.760 Can't we just leave it at that? 0:57:39.440 --> 0:57:44.240 Fifty thousand dollars fine though, that to me, that's just 0:57:44.280 --> 0:57:45.840 that's see insane. Well, we got to show, we got 0:57:45.880 --> 0:57:48.000 to prove to people we're not we don't hate more. 0:57:48.240 --> 0:57:50.560 Of course, no one hat I mean I shouldn't say 0:57:50.600 --> 0:57:55.920 that there's hate in the world for sure, but you 0:57:55.960 --> 0:58:00.560 know you finding someone fifty grand doesn't what does that prove? 0:58:00.600 --> 0:58:01.200 What does that say? 0:58:01.240 --> 0:58:04.160 Well, they must take this thing really seriously, Like, well, 0:58:04.160 --> 0:58:05.800 if we find out who you are. There's gonna be 0:58:05.840 --> 0:58:07.480 problems because you're if you're a student that you did 0:58:07.480 --> 0:58:09.320 and you're on campus, we can make trouble. 0:58:09.360 --> 0:58:11.120 We're gonna find out who you are. That's different. 0:58:11.160 --> 0:58:14.040 Okay, go after the individual responsible. This is like this 0:58:14.080 --> 0:58:17.439 would be like t Higgins apologizing because Jamar Chase sped 0:58:17.480 --> 0:58:21.640 on Jalen Ramsey. TIGA's had another do with this. You 0:58:21.680 --> 0:58:23.720 can ampathize. I mean, if you haves T Higgins. I 0:58:23.720 --> 0:58:26.880 don't know if he would, but it said, yeah, man, 0:58:26.960 --> 0:58:29.160 I don't know what. I love the guy, but I 0:58:29.200 --> 0:58:32.920 disagree with this. I don't I think that's wrong. You know, 0:58:33.000 --> 0:58:34.560 if you're someone in that sacks you guy, I heard 0:58:34.600 --> 0:58:35.720 him and I told him to shut up, or a 0:58:35.760 --> 0:58:38.000 loved one going yeah, I wouldn't say that either, but 0:58:38.000 --> 0:58:39.840 they did, and there should be some repercussions for that 0:58:39.880 --> 0:58:43.640 if you know who that person is. But we're in 0:58:43.680 --> 0:58:45.960 an age now where everyone has to apologize for another 0:58:46.000 --> 0:58:48.360 big one. And I haven't heard this one for a while, 0:58:48.440 --> 0:58:51.919 but the apologizing over slavery in twenty twenty five, people 0:58:51.960 --> 0:58:54.600 still do that. We're apologize, apologize to the trosties of slavery. 0:58:55.160 --> 0:58:56.800 I think we all agree slavery is a bad thing, 0:58:57.920 --> 0:59:02.320 you know, and issuing up. It's like me apologizing apologizes. 0:59:02.480 --> 0:59:05.480 I can empathize and go, wow, I look what it 0:59:05.480 --> 0:59:07.600 did to the culture of generations of people, the effect 0:59:07.640 --> 0:59:09.880 it still has today. I can recognize and empathize with 0:59:09.880 --> 0:59:13.200 that that slavery was a horrific thing, probably the darkest 0:59:13.200 --> 0:59:15.280 stain in the history of the United States. We see 0:59:15.280 --> 0:59:17.200 eyed eye on that. Most of us do, anyway, all 0:59:17.240 --> 0:59:19.720 of us do. But for me to sit here and 0:59:19.760 --> 0:59:23.400 go wow, I'm so sorry, I apologize because at one 0:59:23.400 --> 0:59:27.160 time in America, slavery was a thing. It's hollow, is 0:59:27.160 --> 0:59:32.640 what that is. Because I had nothing to do with that. Furthermore, 0:59:32.720 --> 0:59:35.320 my people who immigrated here in the early part of 0:59:35.360 --> 0:59:39.760 the nineteenth twentieth century, rather, we had no hand. It 0:59:39.760 --> 0:59:41.720 was well over by the time that world around. Now, 0:59:42.000 --> 0:59:44.440 are there things that happened that were racist between the 0:59:44.520 --> 0:59:48.240 nineteen hundreds when my people first came here and today, Oh? Absolutely, 0:59:48.760 --> 0:59:52.440 But again, you know, civil rights violation. I had no 0:59:52.520 --> 0:59:54.560 hand in that, Selma, I had no hand in that. 0:59:55.400 --> 0:59:59.720 If I did something myself, I wouldn't have apologized in 0:59:59.720 --> 1:00:01.360 the past, asked for doing that. 1:00:01.520 --> 1:00:04.720 But that's on me. And the idea that now we 1:00:04.840 --> 1:00:05.400 just well. 1:00:05.320 --> 1:00:08.000 I've got UC's got to apologize for the actions of 1:00:09.000 --> 1:00:11.200 I don't know if it's a handful or a couple dozen. 1:00:11.280 --> 1:00:14.040 I'm not quite sure because the video online it's hard 1:00:14.040 --> 1:00:15.640 to tell how many people are chanting. Was enough in 1:00:15.640 --> 1:00:18.640 that section to notice, wow, that's pretty harsh. But it 1:00:18.640 --> 1:00:20.280 wasn't like it was the whole stadium. It wasn't like 1:00:20.320 --> 1:00:25.560 the UC bearcat chielders are out there, if the Mormons, 1:00:27.160 --> 1:00:30.160 if the Mormons, they're not. 1:00:30.320 --> 1:00:31.120 No one was doing that. 1:00:31.160 --> 1:00:34.000 It was just the maybe the student section or part 1:00:34.000 --> 1:00:36.640 of the student section, I'm not sure. So find out 1:00:36.680 --> 1:00:38.880 who those people are and then you can you can 1:00:38.960 --> 1:00:41.000 kind of dox them and force them to an apology 1:00:41.080 --> 1:00:43.640 or say this is yeah, there's going to be trouble 1:00:43.680 --> 1:00:46.120 for you at school. But the idea of universe at 1:00:46.120 --> 1:00:50.160 the fifty thousand dollars, fine, what what is that? 1:00:50.400 --> 1:00:53.200 What does that prove? It proves that we're anti Mormon 1:00:53.240 --> 1:00:54.200 hate is what it proves. 1:00:54.240 --> 1:00:54.479 God. 1:00:55.640 --> 1:00:58.200 I don't think we need, you know, to do that 1:00:58.280 --> 1:01:01.200 by a fighting someone had no control over it. 1:01:01.320 --> 1:01:02.080 You just simply go. 1:01:02.920 --> 1:01:05.440 I hope we find out those who were chanting that 1:01:05.520 --> 1:01:08.840 and will investigate and we punish those responsible because it 1:01:08.960 --> 1:01:12.160 is reprehensible what they did, and just kind of leave 1:01:12.160 --> 1:01:13.880 it at that same with you saying, it's like, we 1:01:13.920 --> 1:01:16.560 apologize because this is not, you know, Deon Sanders, the 1:01:16.600 --> 1:01:20.000 old this is not indicative of who we are now. 1:01:20.400 --> 1:01:22.600 It is not because it's a small number of people 1:01:22.680 --> 1:01:26.400 were doing this. You apolo as a coach apologizing for 1:01:26.440 --> 1:01:28.840 the student body. It's like, no, that doesn't work that way. 1:01:29.080 --> 1:01:32.200 If one of your players did something stupid, If one 1:01:32.200 --> 1:01:34.880 of your players said that, go, look, I don't know 1:01:34.960 --> 1:01:36.800 what's going through his head, but we will not tolerate 1:01:36.800 --> 1:01:39.960 the behavior. He suspended for the de X games. That's reasonable, 1:01:40.960 --> 1:01:43.600 But a general blanket apology. Yeah, we know most people, 1:01:43.640 --> 1:01:47.040 most all of us have nothing against Mormons or people 1:01:47.080 --> 1:01:49.040 of color or whatever it might be. And if you 1:01:49.080 --> 1:01:50.960 do and you say something in you're caught, then you 1:01:50.960 --> 1:01:53.400 own up to it and you apologize or you don't 1:01:53.440 --> 1:01:57.000 apologize and reap the consequences of that. But we are 1:01:57.000 --> 1:02:00.520 clearly in the over apology age. And it's just one 1:02:00.560 --> 1:02:02.160 of those things that kind of gets me like it's, 1:02:02.880 --> 1:02:07.040 you know why, because it's insincere. It's not because we 1:02:07.120 --> 1:02:09.520 really believe that all of ours this is reflective as 1:02:09.520 --> 1:02:11.760 it's not. It's like you have to say something otherwise 1:02:12.120 --> 1:02:13.440 somehow you're part of the problem. 1:02:13.440 --> 1:02:15.640 No, you're not. That's the other end of this thing. 1:02:16.440 --> 1:02:20.280 Anyway, We've got coming up at eleven oh seven here 1:02:20.280 --> 1:02:22.120 on seven hundred w dot Tom Gamble, I know if 1:02:22.120 --> 1:02:25.640 you heard Yester, the Ohio High School Athletic State Athletic 1:02:25.640 --> 1:02:29.120 Association has proved nil for student athletes high school student athletes, 1:02:29.120 --> 1:02:32.680 and this opens up obviously a Pandora's box of things. Personally, 1:02:32.760 --> 1:02:36.400 I let's go. I'm fine with it because I mean, 1:02:36.400 --> 1:02:40.320 look at the Elder Saint X game. You have broadcast rights, 1:02:40.360 --> 1:02:42.400 you had revenue from ticket sales. I don't know if 1:02:42.400 --> 1:02:43.760 they get a cut of the parking. I'm not quite 1:02:43.800 --> 1:02:45.440 sure how it works, but a lot of money came 1:02:45.480 --> 1:02:46.880 to those schools. A lot of money goes to the 1:02:46.920 --> 1:02:49.720 athletic department. It goes to coaches and people who are 1:02:49.720 --> 1:02:52.439 responsible for coaching these young people. And yet the young 1:02:52.480 --> 1:02:56.640 people who are the spectacle the exhibition don't get anything 1:02:56.680 --> 1:03:01.000 for it. You know, that's not how America works. Now, 1:03:01.120 --> 1:03:02.600 Is it going to screw up high school sports to 1:03:02.640 --> 1:03:03.040 a degree? 1:03:03.040 --> 1:03:03.440 It will. 1:03:03.880 --> 1:03:06.080 I think the biggest thing with high school sports it's 1:03:06.080 --> 1:03:07.840 going to screw up is, Man, if you thought it 1:03:07.880 --> 1:03:16.440 was bad now with the football, soccer, baseball, lacrosse, basketball, hockey, fishing, 1:03:17.240 --> 1:03:20.360 best fishing, whatever the sport might be, you think the 1:03:20.360 --> 1:03:21.320 parents shown up to those things. 1:03:21.520 --> 1:03:23.760 It's going to get worse because. 1:03:23.480 --> 1:03:28.680 Now there's literally diamonds to be had by by name, egement, likeness. 1:03:29.360 --> 1:03:32.080 Can't imagine most high schools unless you are the biggest 1:03:32.200 --> 1:03:35.440 high school stud in sports in the country and that elite, 1:03:35.560 --> 1:03:38.640 elite air you're you know, you're probably not going to 1:03:38.680 --> 1:03:41.440 get that much. I would suggest too, that those individuals 1:03:41.440 --> 1:03:44.320 who are the best of the best and first round 1:03:44.360 --> 1:03:46.720 draft picks, that they're going to wind up going to 1:03:46.800 --> 1:03:49.040 an academy like IMG or something like that, or a 1:03:49.080 --> 1:03:51.400 school it's a private school because they're going to get 1:03:51.400 --> 1:03:52.200 recruited to play there. 1:03:52.240 --> 1:03:53.720 That's how it works now. 1:03:56.200 --> 1:03:59.160 But I think to the average high school athlete, you're 1:03:59.160 --> 1:04:01.560 going to have those parents that think their kid is 1:04:01.680 --> 1:04:05.920 Division one material when they're not or don't even have 1:04:05.960 --> 1:04:08.520 the ability to make play on a college team because 1:04:08.560 --> 1:04:10.920 they're living that dream and while they've always been good 1:04:10.960 --> 1:04:12.320 when they were eight or nine years old, and of 1:04:12.320 --> 1:04:13.480 course you know why that by the time you start 1:04:13.480 --> 1:04:16.000 to develop and you know, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, and that 1:04:16.160 --> 1:04:19.080 it range. You know, that's when you learn and you 1:04:19.080 --> 1:04:22.160 either can or can't hit a curveball right or block 1:04:22.240 --> 1:04:24.280 or tackle or whatever it is. And parents are because 1:04:24.360 --> 1:04:26.840 the money and time and investment in that child and 1:04:26.880 --> 1:04:31.360 that precious snowflake. We don't want to read the writing 1:04:31.360 --> 1:04:33.240 on the wall. We don't think our kid can't do this. 1:04:33.280 --> 1:04:35.120 We want to think that they're And then of course 1:04:35.320 --> 1:04:37.480 it's a conspiracy as to why your kid is not 1:04:37.560 --> 1:04:40.120 in the first team, why they're not getting offers, et cetera, 1:04:40.160 --> 1:04:43.200 et cetera, that it's us against them and we're better, 1:04:43.200 --> 1:04:45.000 and it's not. It's you know, your kid isn't as 1:04:45.000 --> 1:04:47.200 good as you thought they were. And that's fine. But 1:04:47.560 --> 1:04:49.560 had plenty of parents. I think most parents enjoy it 1:04:49.600 --> 1:04:51.080 along the way and go, hey, you know what it is, 1:04:51.080 --> 1:04:53.000 what it is. They had some great memories, met some 1:04:53.040 --> 1:04:55.520 great friends, life lessons, all that stuff, and you take 1:04:55.560 --> 1:04:57.040 it for what it is. But of course there's at 1:04:57.080 --> 1:05:00.200 one percent out there that think a lot differently. It's 1:05:00.200 --> 1:05:02.320 going to be worse and not better. Also too, I 1:05:02.360 --> 1:05:06.000 wonder what happens in the locker rooms where you have 1:05:06.160 --> 1:05:09.600 kids that are balling out and they are recruited and 1:05:10.480 --> 1:05:13.720 you know, wind up getting monetary compensation or whatever it 1:05:13.800 --> 1:05:16.000 might be from local businesses and the other kids on 1:05:16.040 --> 1:05:16.560 the team don't. 1:05:16.560 --> 1:05:17.680 But I guess that's kind of there. 1:05:17.800 --> 1:05:20.880 Ready, when you talk about college scouts and scholarships, you know, 1:05:20.920 --> 1:05:23.080 not everyone on the team is going to get recruited 1:05:23.080 --> 1:05:25.720 by a school. Actually, in most schools, no one's recruited. 1:05:25.800 --> 1:05:29.320 If you think about it, very rarely does a coup 1:05:29.360 --> 1:05:31.040 come along that we're getting you know, two or one 1:05:31.160 --> 1:05:33.160 or three people off this team. It just doesn't happen 1:05:33.160 --> 1:05:35.840 all that much, well alone any school for that matter, 1:05:35.880 --> 1:05:39.240 getting a uscout. But but you know, again, there's plenty 1:05:39.240 --> 1:05:41.200 of schools out there and the like. But I wonder 1:05:41.240 --> 1:05:42.680 if that's going to mess up the chemistry in the 1:05:42.680 --> 1:05:44.960 locker And probably not as much as the crazy moms 1:05:44.960 --> 1:05:47.160 and dads that are going to go, Now, my kid 1:05:47.240 --> 1:05:50.480 is going to be going to they're gonna get They're 1:05:50.480 --> 1:05:53.240 gonna be the next at age five, the next quarterback 1:05:53.320 --> 1:05:57.560 of the Ohio State University. There are people that think that, 1:05:57.720 --> 1:05:59.520 and you know, again, I there's just going to be 1:05:59.520 --> 1:06:01.960 more of them because of this. But in the end, 1:06:02.000 --> 1:06:04.640 I think it is a plus because despite all the 1:06:04.720 --> 1:06:07.520 histornics of administrators and like wringing their hands over the 1:06:07.560 --> 1:06:10.720 purity of sports and amateurism is dead. And it's true, 1:06:10.720 --> 1:06:15.320 but wise amateurism dead because we have monetized. We monetize 1:06:15.360 --> 1:06:17.880 everything in this country. If there is a platform to 1:06:17.920 --> 1:06:19.680 make money, we're going to do it. 1:06:20.480 --> 1:06:20.640 You know. 1:06:20.720 --> 1:06:22.720 The one that got me was when my daughter was 1:06:22.800 --> 1:06:25.600 much younger and like third grade, she wanted to cheer 1:06:26.560 --> 1:06:30.320 and wound up doing that, and you know, elementall that'd 1:06:30.360 --> 1:06:33.280 be middle school, I suppose, and it was kind of 1:06:33.280 --> 1:06:37.240 eye opening as to how they monetize it because they'd 1:06:37.240 --> 1:06:39.360 be like cheerleading competitions. Yeah, it used to be the 1:06:39.400 --> 1:06:42.280 cheerleaders go out, you cheer and okay, great, And now 1:06:42.320 --> 1:06:47.040 somehow they've turned cheerleading into a sport. Take that for 1:06:47.080 --> 1:06:49.160 what you will. I guess it's interpretive like dance or 1:06:49.160 --> 1:06:51.680 anything else. But cheerleading was a cheer We're there to 1:06:51.760 --> 1:06:55.320 cheer on the football players. And I mean, I'm sure 1:06:55.360 --> 1:06:56.800 back in the day, certainly back in the day, it 1:06:56.840 --> 1:06:58.480 was a lot more sexist than it is now it's 1:06:58.800 --> 1:07:00.760 we treat them like athletes and go, well, now we 1:07:00.800 --> 1:07:02.920 have competitions and we have you know, you're going on. 1:07:03.160 --> 1:07:04.920 We had to go like on weekends and sit in 1:07:04.920 --> 1:07:07.439 a gym all for like seven hours watching girls cheer 1:07:07.480 --> 1:07:10.080 and there's you know, and you know, the money involved 1:07:10.120 --> 1:07:11.520 in it, and there's a lot more money than I 1:07:11.560 --> 1:07:12.400 thought to be a cheerleader. 1:07:12.480 --> 1:07:13.200 Let's put it that way. 1:07:13.200 --> 1:07:14.760 But you know, we tell you the point is we 1:07:14.800 --> 1:07:17.200 take everything and go, wow, there's money to be made here. 1:07:18.280 --> 1:07:21.360 You know, all of the people responsible for those quote 1:07:21.400 --> 1:07:24.240 unquote competitions, because once you score, then you can make money. 1:07:24.240 --> 1:07:27.320 If it's just like interpretive, then ah, you're just a cheerleader. Okay, 1:07:27.400 --> 1:07:29.800 let's make money off this thing. And then that you 1:07:29.800 --> 1:07:32.040 know obviously is illustrated here with nil, so it's not 1:07:32.080 --> 1:07:33.520 anything new. And it says, oh my god, that's the 1:07:33.520 --> 1:07:36.200 worst thing ever, Spad. It's been slowly creeping this way 1:07:36.200 --> 1:07:37.960 for a long time. I thought, you know, when you 1:07:38.000 --> 1:07:43.080 start to when you start to monetize and make cheerleading competitive, 1:07:44.440 --> 1:07:46.640 that is pretty damn American, I would say. 1:07:46.840 --> 1:07:49.120 I would say, also saw this. 1:07:52.240 --> 1:07:54.200 There is a guy and I think he's out of Toledo, 1:07:55.040 --> 1:07:57.960 and he was trying to smuggle drugs into prison, which 1:07:58.000 --> 1:07:58.400 is a big thing. 1:07:58.440 --> 1:08:00.800 You wonder why you makes get drugs. It's pretty easy. 1:08:00.840 --> 1:08:02.880 Some many will say it's easier to get drugs in 1:08:02.960 --> 1:08:05.959 prison than it is on the streets. And this guy 1:08:06.400 --> 1:08:09.200 came up with concocting a spray of narcotics, which is, 1:08:09.240 --> 1:08:13.040 you know, once the delivery mechanism evaporates, now the drugs 1:08:13.040 --> 1:08:14.920 are on the pages of paper or whatever it is. 1:08:16.960 --> 1:08:20.120 He smuggled it in at least three items to a prison, 1:08:20.840 --> 1:08:25.040 and he sprayed the pages of a book with narcotics 1:08:25.040 --> 1:08:28.080 and then shipped them to the Grafton Correctional Institute disguised 1:08:28.080 --> 1:08:31.360 as Amazon orders the book that he sprayed the pages 1:08:31.439 --> 1:08:39.800 with narcotics. Jd Vance's Hillbilly elegy. Couple things there, Number one, 1:08:39.880 --> 1:08:43.280 number one, as I'm surprised that right now progressors aren't 1:08:43.280 --> 1:08:45.880 blaming jd Vance somehow his fault. You know, if you 1:08:45.880 --> 1:08:48.519 wouldn't wrote the book with the drugs, wouldn't get in the prison. 1:08:48.800 --> 1:08:51.640 Some it's jd Vance's fault. The other dayaway is you 1:08:51.800 --> 1:08:56.639 realize what hillbilly eli elogy is about, right, that's about 1:08:56.640 --> 1:09:01.720 how drugs have ruined neighborhoods in community and here you 1:09:01.800 --> 1:09:06.640 are using that to deliver drugs. Pretty American, af you 1:09:06.680 --> 1:09:09.400 asked me Scott's loan, it's home of the best Bengals. 1:09:09.000 --> 1:09:11.280 Coverage seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati. 1:09:11.400 --> 1:09:13.000 Do you want to be an American? 1:09:14.400 --> 1:09:14.639 Staff? 1:09:14.680 --> 1:09:16.800 Flow show on seven hundred WLWD. 1:09:16.960 --> 1:09:22.080 Ohio State's High School Athletic Association has loud Ohio come 1:09:22.160 --> 1:09:26.000 the forty six states to allow nil for high school 1:09:26.040 --> 1:09:28.559 athletes and Nile of course we name image likeness they 1:09:28.560 --> 1:09:30.600 can sell their brand. There's some rules involved with this 1:09:30.600 --> 1:09:34.479 whole thing, but it really is interesting how what happened 1:09:34.520 --> 1:09:36.800 in college now permeated to high school and on that 1:09:36.960 --> 1:09:39.479 he's the CEO of in Game Sports. They produce a 1:09:39.520 --> 1:09:43.160 red showcase, the Skyline Crosstown Showdown, and of course HEEOC 1:09:43.240 --> 1:09:47.080 Commissioner GCL South featuring that sint Ex Elder game last 1:09:47.120 --> 1:09:49.879 Friday night. That'd be our my buddy in a former colleague, 1:09:49.920 --> 1:09:52.639 Tom Gamble on the show again on seven hundred WW Tom, 1:09:52.640 --> 1:09:53.080 how are. 1:09:52.920 --> 1:09:58.000 You Swony doing great? Yeah, appreciate the opportunity and you 1:09:58.040 --> 1:10:02.000 know why not, Why shouldn't teenagers and high school athletes? 1:10:02.040 --> 1:10:05.479 But it is very tricky. And it's funny. You brought 1:10:05.560 --> 1:10:07.840 up about how there are only six states that don't 1:10:08.200 --> 1:10:11.960 have that IL. But here's a statistic since two thousand 1:10:12.000 --> 1:10:15.559 and two when the OHSAA member schools, over eight hundred 1:10:15.560 --> 1:10:19.800 of them voted against the NIL. Since then, right back 1:10:19.800 --> 1:10:23.639 then there were nine school nine states they'd had ANIL. 1:10:23.800 --> 1:10:26.040 Now there's forty four. But here, get a load of this. 1:10:26.520 --> 1:10:29.479 Less than one percent, less than one percent of student 1:10:29.520 --> 1:10:32.280 athletes in those forty four states take advantage of it. 1:10:32.479 --> 1:10:34.360 I think it's going to You're gonna find it's gonna 1:10:34.400 --> 1:10:37.320 be much trickier to do it at the high school level. 1:10:37.320 --> 1:10:40.960 Everybody sees what's going on in intercollegiate athletics, specifically in 1:10:41.000 --> 1:10:44.519 football and primarily men's basketball, those two. It needs to 1:10:44.560 --> 1:10:46.120 be a little bit different at the high school level. 1:10:46.160 --> 1:10:48.360 Yeah, I think in Indiana's surprise too, as big as 1:10:48.400 --> 1:10:50.479 basketball is there too, you think they'd be on this thing. 1:10:50.520 --> 1:10:51.360 But it's inevitable. 1:10:51.520 --> 1:10:53.800 I mean, if you look at the trajector this time, 1:10:54.200 --> 1:10:56.639 this is what back in twenty twenty two is when 1:10:56.720 --> 1:10:59.080 we last voted down in Ohio and Jamier Brown comes 1:10:59.120 --> 1:11:00.320 along and changes game. 1:11:00.360 --> 1:11:02.559 He's a if you don't know who that is. Wide receiver. 1:11:02.640 --> 1:11:04.800 He put up as a sophomore one thousand yards and 1:11:04.800 --> 1:11:07.800 fifteen touchdowns up in Dayton. He is committed to be 1:11:07.880 --> 1:11:11.200 a receiver for the Ohio State University. In twenty twenty seven, 1:11:11.840 --> 1:11:16.200 he fought a lawsuit that forces the Ohio Athletic Association 1:11:16.320 --> 1:11:19.559 High School Athletic Association to address this issue. 1:11:19.560 --> 1:11:22.519 So what's changed since they last denied this? 1:11:22.800 --> 1:11:28.160 You're correct? A Franklin County judge issued a temporary restraining 1:11:28.320 --> 1:11:32.600 order allowing Brown through his family, right, and that's the 1:11:32.680 --> 1:11:35.320 key student athlete family. I'll get to that momentarily, but 1:11:35.439 --> 1:11:40.200 allowing him to pursue this currently, well, that expires. Training 1:11:40.320 --> 1:11:45.200 order expires on December fifteenth. So the challenge is in 1:11:45.240 --> 1:11:49.360 the OHSA. Ain't says, hey, we member school, we want 1:11:49.360 --> 1:11:51.800 to legislate this, because if we do not, if we 1:11:51.880 --> 1:11:54.200 don't vote this in, you never know, it could be 1:11:54.240 --> 1:11:57.800 the judge, you never would, the governor at some point 1:11:57.840 --> 1:12:00.120 get involved. We've seen that before, right, So if you 1:12:00.160 --> 1:12:03.000 want to, if you want to maintain control and put 1:12:03.080 --> 1:12:07.320 up some guardrails and do things like that, then I 1:12:07.360 --> 1:12:08.960 think you're gonna see. And I've talked to a number 1:12:09.000 --> 1:12:11.400 of athletic directors in which I am obviously not one 1:12:11.479 --> 1:12:13.439 that I deal with them all the time, and most 1:12:13.479 --> 1:12:16.280 have told me they figure it's better to enact it 1:12:16.400 --> 1:12:19.479 now and then tweak it as you go. You know, 1:12:19.520 --> 1:12:22.400 you got to start somewhere, and to your point, is 1:12:22.439 --> 1:12:25.840 inevitable it is coming at some point. So their thought 1:12:25.880 --> 1:12:29.680 process is, let's get it in there now and then 1:12:29.760 --> 1:12:31.920 let's deal with it now. This is a proposal, and 1:12:32.000 --> 1:12:34.680 I've read through and I watched the presentation that the 1:12:34.680 --> 1:12:40.280 OHSAA put together, and they've hired a company called Influential 1:12:40.320 --> 1:12:43.280 Athlete and it's interesting. It's a husband and wife. He 1:12:43.400 --> 1:12:46.839 was a former high school athletic director and the wife 1:12:46.840 --> 1:12:50.320 they're they're the gradys, Joe and Stephanie Grady. She was 1:12:50.320 --> 1:12:53.719 a figure skater and spent ten years doing television news. 1:12:53.720 --> 1:12:57.400 She was an anchor. So they've lived the life. And 1:12:57.680 --> 1:12:59.400 I think what they what they're trying to do is 1:12:59.600 --> 1:13:02.960 educate the athletic directors and the people from the member 1:13:03.000 --> 1:13:07.880 schools of the OHSAA on how this is done, what's legal, 1:13:07.960 --> 1:13:11.320 what's not. So I think here's the biggest points is 1:13:11.400 --> 1:13:15.439 this it's set up. We're the only onus on the 1:13:15.479 --> 1:13:19.360 school itself is that they have to police their own 1:13:19.439 --> 1:13:22.800 kid should they sign an agreement. It's designed to be 1:13:22.880 --> 1:13:26.960 the student athlete and the family and the OHSAA. So 1:13:27.040 --> 1:13:30.400 if you get an agreement you as a student athlete, 1:13:30.800 --> 1:13:34.160 you have fourteen days to send that agreement to the 1:13:34.200 --> 1:13:38.840 OHSAA for approval. Now, on the surface, you know, it 1:13:38.960 --> 1:13:41.960 seems if everybody, I hate to say what I'm about, 1:13:42.880 --> 1:13:46.400 if everyone follows the rules, this would be great. This 1:13:46.400 --> 1:13:48.800 would be a win win for everybody. The issue is 1:13:48.800 --> 1:13:51.680 going to become not everybody follows the rules. 1:13:51.840 --> 1:13:53.920 Of course you will. You're gonna have people want to 1:13:54.000 --> 1:13:56.320 gain the system. As with anything in life. Tom gambles 1:13:56.320 --> 1:13:58.599 here he is missed high school football in the Tri 1:13:58.720 --> 1:14:00.920 State and now it's fish shell. The Ohio State High 1:14:00.920 --> 1:14:04.160 School Athletic Assotization has voted for student athletes to profit 1:14:04.200 --> 1:14:06.479 off their name, image and likeness. We just had the 1:14:06.520 --> 1:14:10.439 Sane ex Elder game. The money from ticket sales, concessions, parking, 1:14:10.479 --> 1:14:13.880 all that stuff goes to the member schools. Shouldn't the 1:14:13.920 --> 1:14:16.360 athletes who brought all those people to twenty thousand people 1:14:16.400 --> 1:14:18.880 to pay courts last week get a cut of the money. 1:14:19.520 --> 1:14:21.680 Well, that's where it got to with college athletics, and 1:14:21.880 --> 1:14:24.639 I'll get to that question moment, Saraily, here's the big 1:14:24.680 --> 1:14:28.080 word I think that needs to be talked about. You 1:14:28.120 --> 1:14:33.120 can have no collective. So what that means is colleges 1:14:33.160 --> 1:14:36.200 and universities in their athletics department. So like I used 1:14:36.280 --> 1:14:39.040 Texas Tech University. Yeah, they had a bunch of you know, 1:14:39.080 --> 1:14:42.639 I'm presuming oil guys who have done well. Say here's 1:14:42.680 --> 1:14:44.760 seven to seven and a half million dollars, go out 1:14:44.800 --> 1:14:48.519 and get a defensive line. Okay, that's the collective. It's 1:14:48.680 --> 1:14:52.880 it's the schools, the boosters. You cannot as part of 1:14:53.040 --> 1:14:57.479 this collective is strictly prohibited. So what that means is 1:14:58.120 --> 1:15:02.000 so it's no different than really re so school A 1:15:02.040 --> 1:15:05.800 where stud player is attending school B can't all of 1:15:05.800 --> 1:15:09.080 a sudden go hey, we can offer you this, you 1:15:09.240 --> 1:15:11.559 just come here, and that is even going to be 1:15:11.680 --> 1:15:15.000 vetted out. Its let's just say because again Tony, you know, 1:15:15.400 --> 1:15:17.840 you know it's going to happen at some point. But 1:15:17.920 --> 1:15:20.720 what's gonna happen is so if you're at if you're 1:15:20.760 --> 1:15:24.280 the athletic director at school A, and suddenly stud athlete 1:15:24.320 --> 1:15:27.040 goes to school B and you don't hear anything about 1:15:27.240 --> 1:15:30.360 any NIL deal. But then after he's there for four 1:15:30.360 --> 1:15:32.800 to six months, here comes this And again I use 1:15:32.880 --> 1:15:34.800 the term massive. I don't know how mad it can 1:15:34.840 --> 1:15:37.000 even be at the high school level, but then that 1:15:37.160 --> 1:15:39.439 school aage he's going to go Wait a minute, and 1:15:39.600 --> 1:15:43.479 on it happens in recruitment, right, I mean, that's supposed 1:15:43.479 --> 1:15:46.680 to be illegal recruiting. It's going to happen at some 1:15:46.800 --> 1:15:50.680 point in time in this NIL personal branding. You know 1:15:50.800 --> 1:15:54.360 all of that, But let's just hope. Let's just hope 1:15:54.360 --> 1:15:56.519 that you know, we all have always said, haven't we 1:15:57.040 --> 1:16:00.200 high school sports and amateur sports it's the last as 1:16:00.840 --> 1:16:02.680 you know, or purity that there is. 1:16:02.760 --> 1:16:02.880 Now. 1:16:02.920 --> 1:16:08.200 We're all not that naive, but let's hope that if 1:16:08.240 --> 1:16:10.720 it's structured where the school is out of it. So 1:16:10.800 --> 1:16:13.960 in other words, and this is why I don't think, 1:16:14.280 --> 1:16:16.599 I mean people think there's going to be crazy types 1:16:16.640 --> 1:16:19.879 of money thrown around. I live in northern Kentucky. Kentucky 1:16:19.960 --> 1:16:24.320 has legal NIL. I don't know of one kid that's 1:16:24.360 --> 1:16:27.799 been out there prominently with then IL. Because here's why 1:16:28.400 --> 1:16:32.080 you can't wear in a video or a photograph you 1:16:32.120 --> 1:16:35.040 can't wear your school logo, you can't be with your 1:16:35.040 --> 1:16:37.800 school mascot, you can't be videoed on the sidelines or 1:16:37.840 --> 1:16:41.000 on the court. So it has to be you. It's 1:16:41.200 --> 1:16:46.639 your public recognition that you've achieved because of your athletic fame. Well, 1:16:46.960 --> 1:16:50.920 Sonny do this pick any kid the best football player 1:16:51.040 --> 1:16:54.559 in Cincinnati? Right, He's not in uniform, he has no 1:16:54.640 --> 1:17:00.120 identification to school, yet he's doing something for a company. 1:17:00.840 --> 1:17:03.519 How many people outside of the school where he plays 1:17:03.600 --> 1:17:04.200 would even. 1:17:04.080 --> 1:17:05.840 Know who that at all? Not at all? 1:17:05.920 --> 1:17:07.400 I mean, you know, when you see the commercial with 1:17:07.439 --> 1:17:10.080 Jamar Chaser, example, Joe Burrow, you know they're wearing it. 1:17:10.080 --> 1:17:13.000 It's pretty clear they're in a Bengals uniform. Or because 1:17:13.080 --> 1:17:14.840 it's good for the league, it's good for the brand. 1:17:15.160 --> 1:17:18.200 I don't understand why the schools wouldn't want to embrace that. 1:17:18.240 --> 1:17:19.760 And the other element of this, too is because that 1:17:19.800 --> 1:17:23.680 makes it less attractive to stay in Ohio. And now 1:17:23.680 --> 1:17:26.120 I were saying there's no collectives here in Ohio, so 1:17:26.320 --> 1:17:31.080 that hamstrings us. I'm gonna are you just gonna get 1:17:31.120 --> 1:17:33.639 recruits like the top picks? And you know, mister football 1:17:33.640 --> 1:17:35.880 for Ohio, mister basketball, they're gonna wind up going to 1:17:36.640 --> 1:17:39.400 some out of state prep school or an IMG academy 1:17:39.439 --> 1:17:41.559 type program because they can monetize it. 1:17:42.240 --> 1:17:44.639 That they're going to do that anyway. I mean that 1:17:44.640 --> 1:17:46.680 that's big time dollars. I mean, you know, there was 1:17:46.720 --> 1:17:49.800 a basketball player from from Newport, Kentucky who went down 1:17:50.200 --> 1:17:53.439 to a prep school in Georgia who is now committed 1:17:53.439 --> 1:17:55.519 to the University of Kansas. I mean, he's that good. 1:17:55.800 --> 1:17:58.880 But you're going to get that anyway. But I think 1:17:59.520 --> 1:18:03.640 if you want to maintain to your original question, you 1:18:03.640 --> 1:18:06.519 know when we started the amateurism piece of this, you've 1:18:06.520 --> 1:18:09.439 got to legislate this, and that's why the HSAA would 1:18:09.520 --> 1:18:13.120 rather govern it. And I think here's the other thing. 1:18:13.200 --> 1:18:16.479 Of the less than one percent in the forty four states, 1:18:16.520 --> 1:18:19.720 the majority of right out and this is a three 1:18:19.800 --> 1:18:24.280 year period. Essentially, the majority are in Olympic sports. Because 1:18:24.680 --> 1:18:27.519 you're not a running back wearing a uniform that nobody 1:18:27.560 --> 1:18:30.320 sees what you look like. You're you know, you're maybe 1:18:30.360 --> 1:18:34.599 a gymnast or a golfer or a tennis player where 1:18:34.600 --> 1:18:38.160 they see you where you're you know, your public recognition 1:18:38.320 --> 1:18:41.599 is just you, if not the team. So I think 1:18:41.640 --> 1:18:43.840 you're going to see a lot of those companies, but 1:18:44.160 --> 1:18:45.679 are they really going to get a ton of money 1:18:45.760 --> 1:18:48.200 or are they going to get golf balls in golf? 1:18:48.439 --> 1:18:52.760 Yeah, you know quarterbacks versus yeah, golfer But I mean, 1:18:52.800 --> 1:18:55.320 you know it's still there's some local celebrity element to it, 1:18:56.160 --> 1:18:58.800 no question, Yeah it's and every little bit helps. I mean, 1:18:58.800 --> 1:19:01.640 if you get you know, a lifetime supply of bridge stones. 1:19:01.240 --> 1:19:05.640 Good yeah, Oh no, I don't have any issue with it, 1:19:05.680 --> 1:19:08.519 and I think most of I think the biggest thing 1:19:08.640 --> 1:19:12.559 back in twenty twenty two is it wasn't clarified enough. 1:19:12.560 --> 1:19:15.960 I think the OHSAA has clearly refined this and if 1:19:16.000 --> 1:19:19.959 you look at all the details of their bylaws, right, 1:19:20.160 --> 1:19:22.200 they've put some real time and thought into this. 1:19:22.280 --> 1:19:22.720 I think the. 1:19:22.680 --> 1:19:26.920 Original issue was the schools felt like the owners was 1:19:26.960 --> 1:19:30.160 going to fall fully on them. And believe me, a 1:19:30.240 --> 1:19:32.360 high school athletic director today, you've got be nuts to 1:19:32.400 --> 1:19:34.880 be a high school ad with the way parents are today. Right, 1:19:35.000 --> 1:19:38.240 we'll start with that, but today, can you imagine if 1:19:38.320 --> 1:19:40.960 you had to govern all this Not that you have 1:19:41.120 --> 1:19:42.880 nothing to do here, because you're gonna have to pay 1:19:42.920 --> 1:19:46.120 attention if your athlete signs an agreement, but by having 1:19:46.160 --> 1:19:50.000 no collective and by making it the onus of the 1:19:50.120 --> 1:19:55.800 family and the student athlete and the OHSAA. Hopefully high 1:19:55.840 --> 1:19:59.000 schools won't get overburdened with this because God knows, they 1:19:59.000 --> 1:20:02.559 don't have the staff. I mean, high school ads will flee, 1:20:02.880 --> 1:20:03.759 they will run. 1:20:03.720 --> 1:20:06.360 Probably walk to the I would think so because you know, 1:20:06.400 --> 1:20:08.840 there's that the one percent reality in a less than 1:20:08.920 --> 1:20:10.320 one percent of kids are going to go on to 1:20:10.400 --> 1:20:13.679 a collegiate or pro career. Yet forty percent of parents 1:20:13.720 --> 1:20:16.040 think that that's the case, and that you know that's true, 1:20:16.080 --> 1:20:19.560 But that also adds an interesting mix to team chemistry, 1:20:20.320 --> 1:20:23.000 entitlement issues, and the parent pressure as well. Man, what's 1:20:23.000 --> 1:20:25.240 happening in the locker rooms is the question? You know, 1:20:25.280 --> 1:20:28.080 if if you know the quarterback or I don't know alignment, 1:20:28.160 --> 1:20:30.880 someone is getting paid and making some money off this. 1:20:31.040 --> 1:20:34.040 Is there a jealousy component and other high jealous high 1:20:34.040 --> 1:20:36.120 school kids undermining them and thinking it should be them. 1:20:36.120 --> 1:20:37.479 And what happens in that locker. 1:20:37.320 --> 1:20:41.679 Room, Well, I think it goes to the kid who 1:20:41.720 --> 1:20:45.160 maybe is a D three player whose parents are delusional 1:20:45.200 --> 1:20:48.280 that he's going to play in Alabama or Georgia. So 1:20:48.400 --> 1:20:50.439 now you're going to have to think about it. So 1:20:50.560 --> 1:20:52.760 the illness is on the family and the kid. Well, 1:20:52.760 --> 1:20:55.800 how many moms and dads are going to because I know, 1:20:56.400 --> 1:21:00.600 I've known of circumstances where moms run X accounts for 1:21:00.680 --> 1:21:02.680 the kid. The kid doesn't want anything to do with it. 1:21:03.200 --> 1:21:05.800 That's how crazy this is. So now we're going to 1:21:05.840 --> 1:21:10.240 have parents out there seeking these type of financial opportunities. 1:21:10.280 --> 1:21:12.639 And again I'm not blaming anybody for trying to better 1:21:12.680 --> 1:21:15.800 themselves financially, but do you really want that? How many 1:21:15.880 --> 1:21:18.320 kids won't even know that their mom or dad is 1:21:18.360 --> 1:21:21.760 out there trying to get these deals. It's like the 1:21:21.840 --> 1:21:26.320 old Hey, you know, my son should be starting over yours. Well, 1:21:26.360 --> 1:21:28.479 if you want to talk to me, we're going to 1:21:28.520 --> 1:21:30.360 bring in the kid who yours. And most of the 1:21:30.360 --> 1:21:32.679 time when they have those meetings coaches, the kids don't 1:21:32.680 --> 1:21:35.280 even know what's going on. That's how crazy this has 1:21:35.320 --> 1:21:36.200 gotten over the years. 1:21:36.240 --> 1:21:38.120 Yeah, it's you're going to see you know, toddlers in 1:21:38.160 --> 1:21:40.720 the weight room now pretty soon because he's deathlined, right, 1:21:40.760 --> 1:21:42.040 I mean, that's where it's going to be. Gonna be 1:21:42.040 --> 1:21:43.639 recruited out of kindergarten at some point. 1:21:44.880 --> 1:21:47.439 Yeah, it's it's cot well and that's and you bring 1:21:47.560 --> 1:21:52.040 up recruited. I think that's the challenge of this. You know, 1:21:52.080 --> 1:21:56.320 there already are enough issues with recruitment, and now you 1:21:56.439 --> 1:21:59.919 add this. I think that's where the high school administ 1:22:00.080 --> 1:22:02.640 traiders have the biggest issue. Look at corning up to 1:22:02.720 --> 1:22:06.719 govern recruiting. Now you're going to add this name, image, 1:22:06.800 --> 1:22:11.719 lightness component with financial wherewithal to it? Can you imagine? 1:22:11.920 --> 1:22:14.679 You know, Sorry, the good news is the elder saying 1:22:14.760 --> 1:22:18.719 next game Friday night at pay Corps. That's where it's fun. 1:22:19.479 --> 1:22:23.479 Well, it wasn't fun for Brian Colmbs and his band 1:22:23.560 --> 1:22:28.120 of elder graduates, but nonetheless it was a rollicking game anyway. 1:22:28.160 --> 1:22:30.200 And you know, the weather could have been a little better, 1:22:30.240 --> 1:22:31.920 but it was as bad as we thought at the 1:22:31.960 --> 1:22:33.479 end of the day. You're right, though, it is about 1:22:33.479 --> 1:22:35.120 these student athletes just having a good time. Most those 1:22:35.160 --> 1:22:37.160 kids will never sniff college loll in the NFL, but 1:22:37.920 --> 1:22:39.920 that is something they'll carry. That memory of playing at 1:22:39.920 --> 1:22:42.640 pay Corps, home of the Bengals, their hometown team in 1:22:42.680 --> 1:22:45.479 the NFL, is something they'll carry the rest of their lives. 1:22:45.720 --> 1:22:49.240 Tom Gamble, CEO of In Game Sports through the Red Showcases, 1:22:49.280 --> 1:22:53.000 Skyline Showdown, high school sports galore, and of course Commissioner 1:22:53.000 --> 1:22:55.720 of the GCL South just highlighted at pay Corps a 1:22:55.800 --> 1:22:59.720 week ago Friday. Fantastic buddy, thanks again for the time. 1:23:00.080 --> 1:23:02.920 Well all right, right on late, I gotta get a 1:23:02.920 --> 1:23:05.400 news update in. It's a Scott Sloan Show seven hundred 1:23:05.439 --> 1:23:05.720 w A. 1:23:05.800 --> 1:23:09.599 Time time to talk about money, how to make it, 1:23:09.800 --> 1:23:12.720 how to keep it, and how to keep others off 1:23:12.840 --> 1:23:20.400 your stash. This is all worth advice with Andy Schaefferg Andrew. 1:23:20.439 --> 1:23:22.360 Good morning, Good morning Scott. 1:23:22.360 --> 1:23:22.880 How are you today? 1:23:22.920 --> 1:23:24.639 I'm doing well, I'm doing Are you ready for thanks? Kidding? 1:23:25.320 --> 1:23:25.639 Uh? 1:23:25.760 --> 1:23:26.880 Not quite what you mean? 1:23:27.360 --> 1:23:27.559 The hell? 1:23:27.560 --> 1:23:29.680 Can he not be? Just show up and eat? For 1:23:29.680 --> 1:23:30.840 God's sakes, it's not hard. 1:23:31.240 --> 1:23:33.280 Well, we we're in charge of making some food. We're 1:23:33.280 --> 1:23:35.760 gonna make some green bean cast role and you know, 1:23:35.800 --> 1:23:37.240 put together. 1:23:37.800 --> 1:23:41.880 We're done. Sucks. What are you doing? 1:23:43.720 --> 1:23:47.400 I think it's good, the frozen green beans and the 1:23:47.439 --> 1:23:51.040 Campbell soup, the whole thing. Oh you're an idiot. We 1:23:51.120 --> 1:23:59.000 can't gid Where's Amy Wagner? Off to a rough start? Okay, yeah, 1:23:59.040 --> 1:24:01.640 all right, Well let's be a world's shortest segment Uh no, 1:24:01.760 --> 1:24:03.600 well that's good. You enjoy what you enjoy. I get it. 1:24:03.640 --> 1:24:05.360 That's fantastic. So you don't all the cook and how 1:24:05.400 --> 1:24:05.880 many people. 1:24:06.880 --> 1:24:08.600 We have a big family here in Cincinnati, so we 1:24:08.680 --> 1:24:11.880 actually have two thanksgivings, one of my my folks side 1:24:11.920 --> 1:24:13.760 and one of my wife's family sides. 1:24:13.800 --> 1:24:16.280 So that's an all day event. Oh wow, okay, so 1:24:16.360 --> 1:24:18.040 lots of people. Yeah, we're just doing six this year. 1:24:18.080 --> 1:24:20.120 So I got it pretty easy. So not not bad, 1:24:20.160 --> 1:24:22.840 not bad. Ye, with the holidays coming up, I saw this. 1:24:22.880 --> 1:24:24.800 I wanted to throw this at you. Of course, you 1:24:24.840 --> 1:24:26.519 remember home alone, Home alone too, Right. 1:24:27.400 --> 1:24:29.679 I've seen home alone. I don't think I've seen home alone. 1:24:29.680 --> 1:24:31.599 Okay, Well, the one is that's he's in New York City. 1:24:31.720 --> 1:24:33.360 This time he's lost a second you think, you know 1:24:33.439 --> 1:24:35.800 after the first time you'd learn, But second time, I 1:24:35.840 --> 1:24:38.160 think you start getting message to Kevin mccawish is like, 1:24:38.439 --> 1:24:40.519 clearly your family doesn't love you and they don't want 1:24:40.520 --> 1:24:42.640 you around, which it would explain later in life what 1:24:42.720 --> 1:24:45.439 happened with mccullay culkin when he off the rails with uh, 1:24:45.520 --> 1:24:49.800 drugs and everything else. Nonetheless, maybe too much information there 1:24:49.840 --> 1:24:52.200 Home Alone too. The Adventure to New York. It is 1:24:52.200 --> 1:24:54.519 a new I love high you love these indexes right 1:24:54.560 --> 1:24:58.000 in These tests of the company called isolate dot com 1:24:58.160 --> 1:25:01.160 reveals the true twenty twenty five price tag of Kevin's 1:25:01.200 --> 1:25:05.200 New York City Escape and back in. This would have 1:25:05.200 --> 1:25:07.800 been nineteen ninety two. When this movie came out, The 1:25:07.840 --> 1:25:10.200 suite at the Plaza Hotel, New York was eleven hundred dollars. 1:25:10.960 --> 1:25:14.160 Room service would have been nine hundred and sixty seven dollars. 1:25:14.439 --> 1:25:16.280 The ice cream Sunday feature of the movie with an 1:25:16.360 --> 1:25:19.200 eighteen dollars and so the total cost would be two thousand. 1:25:19.000 --> 1:25:20.240 One hundred and nine dollars. 1:25:20.520 --> 1:25:24.200 That's thousand dollars sweet today six two hundred and forty 1:25:24.200 --> 1:25:26.679 four dollars, a four hundred and sixty eight percent increase. 1:25:26.680 --> 1:25:29.720 In nineteen ninety two, the room service feast would be 1:25:29.760 --> 1:25:32.439 twenty two hundred dollars, a one hundred and thirty one increase. 1:25:33.400 --> 1:25:35.720 Ice Cream Sunday went from eighteen to twenty four, a 1:25:35.840 --> 1:25:39.080 moderate thirty three percent increase. Total costs two thousand and 1:25:39.040 --> 1:25:41.720 one oh nine in nineteen ninety two, twenty twenty five 1:25:41.800 --> 1:25:44.799 eight five hundred eleven dollars. 1:25:45.280 --> 1:25:47.280 Well, I mean that was over thirty years ago. But 1:25:47.360 --> 1:25:50.200 that does seem pretty a pretty hefty increase, you know. 1:25:50.240 --> 1:25:52.519 But we're seeing, you know, a lot of increases in 1:25:52.600 --> 1:25:54.960 housing over the years. You know, we're seeing a lot 1:25:54.960 --> 1:25:57.879 of inflation. You know, we started to get some inflation 1:25:57.960 --> 1:26:00.360 data out this morning, and so you know, we have 1:26:00.400 --> 1:26:03.160 seen periods of time, particularly during COVID, where inflation has 1:26:03.160 --> 1:26:06.920 been you know, significantly hot. And I think, you know, 1:26:06.920 --> 1:26:08.960 when we talk about inflation coming down, I think what 1:26:09.040 --> 1:26:11.120 people don't realize it's it's not like we're going to 1:26:11.200 --> 1:26:14.000 go back to the prices that we had before, or 1:26:14.000 --> 1:26:18.160 even prices become less expensive, they're going to rise at 1:26:18.200 --> 1:26:20.920 a slower pace. So you know, when we have inflation, 1:26:21.040 --> 1:26:22.640 we're not going to go back to those prices that 1:26:22.640 --> 1:26:24.800 we've had before, even if it starts to slow a 1:26:24.800 --> 1:26:28.960 little bit. So while that's surprising, you know, I think 1:26:29.000 --> 1:26:31.559 that it probably falls in lines with our average annual 1:26:31.600 --> 1:26:32.559 inflation data. 1:26:32.720 --> 1:26:34.559 Yeah, and I think too, especially the one that temist 1:26:34.560 --> 1:26:36.840 out paid, would be the cost of a hotel in 1:26:36.920 --> 1:26:40.360 midtown Manhattan, a four hundred and sixty eight percent increase 1:26:40.400 --> 1:26:42.920 in thirty years, whereas the ice cream Sunday thirty three percent. 1:26:42.960 --> 1:26:45.240 That seems about right before sixty eight, but it goes 1:26:45.280 --> 1:26:47.120 to show you the housing crisis that we have in 1:26:47.160 --> 1:26:48.559 the trickles down to hotel rooms too. 1:26:49.000 --> 1:26:49.240 Yep. 1:26:49.280 --> 1:26:52.000 And we have seen lower mortgage rates that helped October 1:26:52.040 --> 1:26:55.280 existing home sales rised, you know, just about one point 1:26:55.320 --> 1:26:58.479 two percent. You know, we're kind of seeing an annualized 1:26:58.520 --> 1:27:01.080 activity that's kind of near a multi decade low of 1:27:01.080 --> 1:27:03.200 about four point one million. And so I think the 1:27:03.280 --> 1:27:06.519 takeaway is that, you know, mortgage rates are kind of 1:27:06.560 --> 1:27:08.719 helping out the margins, but they're not creating a wave 1:27:08.760 --> 1:27:11.599 of fresh demand. And so, you know what, we we 1:27:11.720 --> 1:27:14.120 estimate in order from mortgage rates to drop from the 1:27:14.160 --> 1:27:17.240 current six point three percent as far as inflation, we 1:27:17.320 --> 1:27:19.680 need to see you know, interest rates somewhere around the 1:27:19.720 --> 1:27:23.080 mid five percent range before we see a shift in demand. 1:27:23.560 --> 1:27:25.320 And so we're just not quite there yet. However, I 1:27:25.360 --> 1:27:27.360 do think we'll start to see interest rate cuts as 1:27:27.360 --> 1:27:30.000 we move into uh, you know, maybe even December and 1:27:30.040 --> 1:27:31.160 into twenty twenty six. 1:27:31.240 --> 1:27:33.160 All right, lest hotel So it's more ice cream, That's 1:27:33.160 --> 1:27:34.880 what I say. Really, that's what's wrong with that. 1:27:35.240 --> 1:27:35.800 Sound's good to me. 1:27:36.520 --> 1:27:38.719 Enough whip cream? You could crawl inside like an igloo, 1:27:41.600 --> 1:27:43.479 maybe say. But you know, I think, and not to 1:27:43.479 --> 1:27:47.599 belabor this, but you know, food, football and family. Number 1:27:47.600 --> 1:27:49.680 two on that list the football as you're watching on 1:27:49.840 --> 1:27:53.120 I don't know, forty to fifty sixty intra bigger TV. 1:27:54.080 --> 1:27:55.160 That's relatively cheap. 1:27:55.160 --> 1:27:57.200 I mean, you know, talk about cost of inflation, but yeah, 1:27:57.240 --> 1:27:59.000 you know you can buy a one hundred inch TV 1:27:59.120 --> 1:28:02.320 for like sixteen hun dollars now that ten twenty years 1:28:02.360 --> 1:28:04.479 ago it would have cost you tens of thousands of 1:28:04.680 --> 1:28:07.719 So interesting enough, some things are much cheaper today, certainly 1:28:07.720 --> 1:28:11.360 not the essentials like housing and food, but electronics. It's 1:28:11.360 --> 1:28:15.080 an interesting example of saturating the market with more product 1:28:15.120 --> 1:28:16.479 than it causes prices to drop. 1:28:16.880 --> 1:28:18.559 Yeah, and I think technology has a lot to do 1:28:18.600 --> 1:28:19.040 with that too. 1:28:19.120 --> 1:28:21.880 When we built our house a few years ago, I 1:28:21.880 --> 1:28:25.240 haven't bought a TV in probably twelve years, and my 1:28:25.280 --> 1:28:26.760 wife said, well, we're going to need a TV for 1:28:26.800 --> 1:28:28.639 this room. We're going to need a TV for that room. 1:28:28.680 --> 1:28:30.639 And it started adding up. I said, you know, we're 1:28:30.640 --> 1:28:32.160 not going to be able to afford all these TVs. 1:28:32.200 --> 1:28:33.760 And then we go to Best Buy. There are a 1:28:33.800 --> 1:28:37.080 couple hundred bucks and I couldn't believe the difference in 1:28:37.120 --> 1:28:39.639 the cost from you know, back in the nineties when 1:28:39.640 --> 1:28:42.120 they weighed three thousand pounds and they were these big 1:28:42.160 --> 1:28:44.880 blocks and everything else. So in some areas, you know, 1:28:45.000 --> 1:28:46.920 like the calculator, when that first came out, it was 1:28:46.960 --> 1:28:49.640 super expensive, and now you can get one for fifty cents. So, 1:28:50.280 --> 1:28:52.320 you know, I think that you know, technology has a 1:28:52.320 --> 1:28:54.280 lot to do with it, and there's you know, some 1:28:54.439 --> 1:28:59.400 advancement where it makes them building these types of technological 1:28:59.400 --> 1:29:01.760 products a lot cheaper, and you know, the consumer gets 1:29:01.800 --> 1:29:02.400 the benefit from that. 1:29:02.479 --> 1:29:03.000 Yeah, no quote. 1:29:03.000 --> 1:29:05.000 It's funny because the house that we bought is twenty 1:29:05.040 --> 1:29:07.200 something years old and in the basement they had a 1:29:07.479 --> 1:29:11.200 built a theater room. But yeah, but it's like it's 1:29:11.240 --> 1:29:15.800 maybe like fifteen by ten and it's as like my 1:29:16.120 --> 1:29:18.760 kids came over, like what is this big hole? It's like, 1:29:19.840 --> 1:29:22.960 you know, probably a I don't know, a four foot 1:29:23.040 --> 1:29:25.960 by three foot just big space. I'm like, well, that's 1:29:25.960 --> 1:29:27.920 where the TV would go. Well, why don't you just 1:29:27.960 --> 1:29:29.800 hang it on the wall? I said, no, it's like 1:29:29.920 --> 1:29:33.320 TV's then we're thousands of dollars and the biggest one 1:29:33.360 --> 1:29:34.920 you get is maybe you know, you're you're pimp, and 1:29:34.960 --> 1:29:37.640 if you had a fifty inch TV, but the thing 1:29:37.680 --> 1:29:39.800 weighed four thousand pounds in the back of it was 1:29:39.880 --> 1:29:42.560 much bigger. Right now, you just hang them on the walls. 1:29:42.640 --> 1:29:44.360 It's pretty cool to see that. It's kind of quaint. 1:29:44.360 --> 1:29:46.439 So that's now where the home gym that we never 1:29:46.520 --> 1:29:51.840 use will be. Anyway, that's where the treadmill goes. Let's 1:29:51.840 --> 1:29:54.479 talk about the data return. Six weeks of silence. Economic 1:29:54.600 --> 1:29:56.920 updates are back because the government's back and we're getting 1:29:56.920 --> 1:29:59.439 trickles of data in there. You mentioned the mortgage mortgage 1:29:59.520 --> 1:30:01.280 rates in there, but the jobs report came out too, 1:30:01.520 --> 1:30:02.200 from September. 1:30:02.240 --> 1:30:03.919 Would that indicate Yeah. 1:30:03.760 --> 1:30:07.200 So employers added better than expected one hundred and nineteen 1:30:07.320 --> 1:30:09.760 thousand new jobs. But with anything with this data, you 1:30:09.840 --> 1:30:12.240 have to look under the hood and try to understand 1:30:12.240 --> 1:30:14.439 what really what it really means. And so that sounded 1:30:14.439 --> 1:30:17.920 good on the surface. However, we had revisions from the 1:30:18.000 --> 1:30:22.040 earlier months that showed lower by thirty three thousand. The 1:30:22.160 --> 1:30:25.120 unemployment rate rose from four point three percent to four 1:30:25.160 --> 1:30:27.960 point four so that doesn't seem too bad, but it 1:30:28.040 --> 1:30:30.599 is an increase, but that was largely due to more 1:30:30.640 --> 1:30:33.760 people entering the labor force, So the labor participation rate 1:30:33.840 --> 1:30:37.120 increased and that's a positive, you know. And besides that, 1:30:37.200 --> 1:30:39.719 you know, we're starting to see some more data trickle 1:30:39.760 --> 1:30:41.240 out that I think is going to be important for 1:30:41.280 --> 1:30:42.559 the FED decision in December. 1:30:42.960 --> 1:30:46.040 Okay, very good. Jabos claims too were in there as well. 1:30:46.720 --> 1:30:48.920 Yeah, job as claims. You know, I think the layoffs 1:30:48.960 --> 1:30:51.679 have been subdued. We you know, it feels like there's 1:30:51.760 --> 1:30:53.600 a lot of people that are getting laid off, a 1:30:53.600 --> 1:30:56.320 lot of companies you know, you know, cutting back on 1:30:56.360 --> 1:30:59.400 their labor force. But the initial claims hovered around two 1:30:59.479 --> 1:31:02.600 point I'm sorry, two hundred and twenty thousand. Over the 1:31:02.640 --> 1:31:06.280 past two months, you know, we're the continuing claims remain 1:31:06.360 --> 1:31:09.120 around multi year highs, just under two million. So I think, 1:31:09.520 --> 1:31:12.240 you know, the the aggregate of these job numbers really 1:31:12.560 --> 1:31:16.040 and reinforce our view that you know, I would characterize 1:31:16.080 --> 1:31:19.439 this environment as low hiring, low firing. If you have 1:31:19.520 --> 1:31:21.160 a job, you're probably going to be able to keep it, 1:31:21.160 --> 1:31:23.160 but if you don't, it becomes more difficult to find it. 1:31:23.520 --> 1:31:25.280 Okay, it makes sense to what what data are we 1:31:25.360 --> 1:31:28.240 missing here? I guess it's because it's an incomplete picture. 1:31:28.720 --> 1:31:31.439 Yeah, I think it's all kind of hovering around what 1:31:31.479 --> 1:31:33.360 the inflation data is going to is going to read. 1:31:33.400 --> 1:31:33.639 Now. 1:31:34.040 --> 1:31:37.720 You know, just this morning we received the inflation data 1:31:37.800 --> 1:31:39.760 data for PPI and you know a lot of people 1:31:39.840 --> 1:31:41.880 hear all these acronyms, you like, what does that mean? 1:31:41.920 --> 1:31:45.200 What's the producer price index? The producer price index is 1:31:45.200 --> 1:31:48.080 a measurement of what wholesaler's costs are. So if you 1:31:48.120 --> 1:31:51.439 have an organization that is buying supplies or services from 1:31:51.439 --> 1:31:54.759 another organization, what does that inflation tell us? And usually 1:31:54.760 --> 1:31:57.640 that's predictive of what the CPI is, and that's the 1:31:57.680 --> 1:32:00.519 consumer price index, and that's what you and I go 1:32:00.600 --> 1:32:02.519 to the store and what the inflation data is there. 1:32:02.560 --> 1:32:04.439 And so what we saw this morning at eight thirty 1:32:04.920 --> 1:32:07.080 was that the producer price Index came in a little 1:32:07.120 --> 1:32:09.519 bit cooler. It was only up point two percent versus 1:32:09.600 --> 1:32:14.200 point three two point seven percent annualized, which is pretty good. 1:32:14.360 --> 1:32:17.080 And so that tells us that this might give the 1:32:17.120 --> 1:32:19.879 Fed an opportunity to go ahead and cut rates in December, 1:32:20.400 --> 1:32:22.479 because this data is becoming a little bit more clear 1:32:22.520 --> 1:32:25.040 on inflation to be able to attack the labor market 1:32:25.040 --> 1:32:27.360 a little bit more so inflation is continuing to cool 1:32:28.160 --> 1:32:29.720 and we're going to continue to get more data the 1:32:29.720 --> 1:32:30.360 rest of this week. 1:32:30.479 --> 1:32:32.600 Okay, so this all factors and what the FED is 1:32:32.640 --> 1:32:33.960 going to do next month. 1:32:34.479 --> 1:32:34.839 Yeah. 1:32:34.880 --> 1:32:36.360 So you know, if you would have asked me a 1:32:36.360 --> 1:32:38.519 week ago, I would say, hey, you know, probably we're 1:32:38.560 --> 1:32:41.439 not going to get a cut in December. But as 1:32:41.479 --> 1:32:43.640 you see some of this data trickle out from the 1:32:43.680 --> 1:32:47.040 past months, it kind of reinforces the fact that we 1:32:47.160 --> 1:32:49.559 are seeing inflation start to cool down a little bit 1:32:49.640 --> 1:32:51.720 in a number of areas. The other thing is is 1:32:51.760 --> 1:32:53.760 that we didn't believe that we were going to get 1:32:53.760 --> 1:32:56.879 the CPI report, which again is the consumer Price Index, 1:32:57.400 --> 1:33:02.120 until after the FED meeting, which is early. However, the 1:33:02.160 --> 1:33:04.040 government recently came out and said we're going to be 1:33:04.080 --> 1:33:06.519 able to get that report a week prior to the 1:33:06.560 --> 1:33:08.719 meeting in December, and so that will have an impact 1:33:08.720 --> 1:33:11.320 on the decision as well. So it does seem like, 1:33:11.680 --> 1:33:13.360 you know, this data is not only coming out, but 1:33:13.400 --> 1:33:15.400 coming out a little bit sooner than we expected, and 1:33:15.439 --> 1:33:18.439 that's going to be good for market security because generally 1:33:18.439 --> 1:33:21.760 investors don't like uncertainty, and we're starting to get a 1:33:21.800 --> 1:33:23.760 little bit more clear data from the FED. 1:33:23.960 --> 1:33:26.240 Okay, makes sense, Andy Schaffer, all Worth Financial. It's your 1:33:26.240 --> 1:33:28.519 weekly money tune up in a kind of a weird 1:33:28.520 --> 1:33:31.439 week here obviously with the holidays too, and so that's 1:33:31.520 --> 1:33:33.519 that is going to impact what we're talking about with 1:33:33.560 --> 1:33:34.240 the week I had here. 1:33:34.880 --> 1:33:35.559 Oh yeah, yeah. 1:33:35.600 --> 1:33:38.120 And so you know the December the Central Bank rate 1:33:38.200 --> 1:33:41.120 decision is is December tenth, and so you know, we're 1:33:41.160 --> 1:33:43.919 not going to get some data like the November payroll 1:33:43.960 --> 1:33:46.400 and those types of things until after the FED meet. 1:33:46.560 --> 1:33:49.519 But you know, the policymakers have to determine, you know, 1:33:49.600 --> 1:33:51.680 what data do they have, Does it tell enough of 1:33:51.680 --> 1:33:53.840 the story, does it give them confidence to go ahead 1:33:53.840 --> 1:33:55.960 and cut rates? And what we're seeing on the inner 1:33:56.040 --> 1:33:58.599 circles of the FED. So you have basically twelve decision 1:33:58.640 --> 1:34:00.679 makers on the FED. You have seven from the Border 1:34:00.720 --> 1:34:03.280 government Bord of Governors, and then you have five that 1:34:03.280 --> 1:34:06.360 are actually the FED regional presidents and they're the ones 1:34:06.360 --> 1:34:08.639 that make the decisions. And you have two camps there. 1:34:08.880 --> 1:34:11.439 You have one camp that's very hawkish, and what that 1:34:11.520 --> 1:34:14.000 means is that they want to make sure that inflation 1:34:14.120 --> 1:34:17.120 comes down significantly. They don't want to switch gears until 1:34:17.120 --> 1:34:19.200 they're comfortable with inflation, and then you have the Dovi 1:34:19.400 --> 1:34:22.280 sect and they're the ones that say, hey, we're starting 1:34:22.280 --> 1:34:24.600 to see this inflation data start to cool down. The 1:34:24.680 --> 1:34:27.240 tariffs really haven't had that much of an impact. Not 1:34:27.280 --> 1:34:28.960 only do we think that we should have a quarter 1:34:28.960 --> 1:34:31.240 percent cut in December, but maybe even a half a 1:34:31.240 --> 1:34:33.479 percent cut. And I think that as we move into 1:34:33.520 --> 1:34:36.439 twenty twenty six. You know, my opinion right now is 1:34:36.479 --> 1:34:39.240 it is likely that we see I say it's better 1:34:39.280 --> 1:34:42.439 than half, more than half likely that we do see 1:34:42.439 --> 1:34:44.519 a cut in December, and maybe we see another three 1:34:44.600 --> 1:34:46.599 cuts moving into twenty twenty six. 1:34:46.720 --> 1:34:50.400 Wow, that would certainly punch the economy up out of building. 1:34:50.200 --> 1:34:54.040 In absolutely, you know, generally speaking, you know, investors say, okay, 1:34:54.040 --> 1:34:57.479 if rates are being cut, that obviously increases demand because 1:34:57.479 --> 1:34:59.519 the cost of borrowing becomes a lot cheaper. That's also 1:34:59.560 --> 1:35:03.200 a special important for businesses because now their cost of 1:35:03.240 --> 1:35:06.280 borrowing and their debt becomes more serviceable, which allows them 1:35:06.320 --> 1:35:08.200 to go out and hire more because they have an 1:35:08.240 --> 1:35:10.800 influx of cash that they didn't have to pay towards 1:35:10.840 --> 1:35:13.240 their debt in the beginning. So all of that modes 1:35:13.280 --> 1:35:15.519 well from an economic standpoint. But it is a delicate 1:35:15.560 --> 1:35:17.840 dance to make sure that inflation doesn't flare up once 1:35:17.880 --> 1:35:20.840 again and we have to shift gears and reverse course 1:35:20.920 --> 1:35:22.280 by increasing rates. 1:35:22.320 --> 1:35:25.720 That would be It's an interesting and fine line here 1:35:25.760 --> 1:35:27.760 because you know, you look at consumer the numbers look 1:35:27.800 --> 1:35:29.639 really good on must of but people are like, hey, listen, 1:35:29.800 --> 1:35:32.240 I'm paying more for everything from beef to grocers and 1:35:32.320 --> 1:35:34.599 lectures on energy, mortgage of Brant, all that stuff that's 1:35:34.600 --> 1:35:36.640 going up, up, up and up. And yet we're going 1:35:36.680 --> 1:35:39.000 to have a record travel season coming up, and we're 1:35:39.000 --> 1:35:41.200 also going to have huge numbers of people buying stuff. 1:35:41.200 --> 1:35:44.160 Are already seeing the numbers coming out early for the 1:35:44.200 --> 1:35:46.920 Christmas holiday and people are still buying stuff. Yeah, but 1:35:46.960 --> 1:35:49.400 the underlying thing is credit card debt's not at all 1:35:49.439 --> 1:35:49.800 time high. 1:35:49.840 --> 1:35:51.000 Something's got to give there, doesn't it. 1:35:51.320 --> 1:35:51.559 Yep. 1:35:51.680 --> 1:35:53.559 So we actually did get a little bit of retail 1:35:53.640 --> 1:35:55.760 data this morning as far as consumer spending. 1:35:55.520 --> 1:35:56.400 That did tick down. 1:35:56.400 --> 1:35:58.559 It wes oh, it did okay, yep, yep, just at 1:35:58.560 --> 1:36:01.320 eight thirty this morning, it did tick down to yo 1:36:01.320 --> 1:36:03.880 point one percent. The expectation was that it was going 1:36:03.920 --> 1:36:06.360 to increase yo point four and so I think that 1:36:06.439 --> 1:36:08.160 has a lot to do with the fact that the 1:36:08.280 --> 1:36:11.920 rush and the surge of buying going into the school season, 1:36:12.040 --> 1:36:15.439 where we usually see some seasonal activity, there is starting 1:36:15.479 --> 1:36:16.120 to cool. 1:36:15.920 --> 1:36:16.400 A little bit. 1:36:16.680 --> 1:36:19.800 That again also gives the FED a little bit more 1:36:19.880 --> 1:36:22.280 leeway to cut rates, because if you start seeing spending 1:36:22.360 --> 1:36:24.920 start to decline, that allows the FED to shift gears 1:36:24.920 --> 1:36:27.559 more towards you know, obviously, if spending is declining, then 1:36:27.560 --> 1:36:29.679 inflation would likely come down, so they can shift gears 1:36:29.720 --> 1:36:32.480 back towards the labor market. That also increases the probability 1:36:32.520 --> 1:36:35.120 of a rate cut December. Now, as we move into 1:36:35.160 --> 1:36:37.599 the holiday season, it's likely that we will see some 1:36:37.640 --> 1:36:41.040 more seasonal spending leading up through Thanksgiving and we get 1:36:41.040 --> 1:36:42.640 a little bit of a Santa Claus bump, you know, 1:36:42.680 --> 1:36:44.559 towards the end of the year, and that's usually how 1:36:44.560 --> 1:36:47.640 that goes. But I think all of this data that 1:36:47.800 --> 1:36:50.080 suggests cooling, not only in the labor market but also 1:36:50.120 --> 1:36:53.360 in retail spending, lends the FED a little bit more 1:36:53.439 --> 1:36:55.400 leeway to go ahead and cut rates next month. 1:36:55.520 --> 1:36:57.360 Okay, in the past weeks is the last talk. The 1:36:57.479 --> 1:37:02.280 last penny was produced be hoarding wheelbarrows from a pennies 1:37:02.360 --> 1:37:04.400 and holding them for the next generation, saying this is 1:37:04.439 --> 1:37:06.439 gonna be worse. It's a penny, but it's gonna be 1:37:06.479 --> 1:37:07.880 worth a lot in the future because they don't make 1:37:07.920 --> 1:37:08.519 them anymore. 1:37:08.920 --> 1:37:10.840 Well, there's a lot of people that collect coins. I 1:37:10.840 --> 1:37:14.759 can't stand pennies. I think they smell dumb. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:37:14.800 --> 1:37:16.800 And I think it makes sense. I mean, I can't 1:37:16.840 --> 1:37:18.840 remember the last time I actually pulled out some change 1:37:18.840 --> 1:37:20.840 and used a penny to get you know, the right 1:37:20.840 --> 1:37:23.400 amount of the right amount on the price. But what 1:37:23.439 --> 1:37:25.040 we're seeing is that there's a lot of people out 1:37:25.080 --> 1:37:27.840 there that do collect coins. My mom has a coin collection. 1:37:28.120 --> 1:37:30.760 She used to collect all of the quarters that were 1:37:30.800 --> 1:37:32.840 minted in all of different states and things like that, 1:37:32.880 --> 1:37:34.680 and has these in this neat book. So there's a 1:37:34.720 --> 1:37:37.639 lot of people out where that is a hobby of theirs. 1:37:37.760 --> 1:37:40.280 And so when you look at pennies in general, I 1:37:40.320 --> 1:37:43.240 think for the average penny, you're probably not looking at 1:37:43.439 --> 1:37:46.920 a whole lot of increase in price because there's still 1:37:47.920 --> 1:37:49.439 you know, there's still a lot out there. There's a 1:37:49.479 --> 1:37:51.320 big supply of them. I think when you start to 1:37:51.360 --> 1:37:53.880 get in the ones like the weak penny or some 1:37:53.960 --> 1:37:56.320 of the last minted there could be you know a 1:37:56.360 --> 1:37:58.120 little bit of a demand there and you could see 1:37:58.160 --> 1:38:00.240 an increase in price. But if you enjoy coin left 1:38:00.280 --> 1:38:02.760 and go for it. Yeah, but your average every day 1:38:02.920 --> 1:38:05.200 nineteen eighty seven penny that's dirty that you pick up 1:38:05.240 --> 1:38:06.840 off the ground, that's not going to be worth anything. 1:38:06.880 --> 1:38:08.800 Yeah, I got you, andy, who's really going to suffer 1:38:08.800 --> 1:38:11.679 from this? And the people who make those give a penny, 1:38:11.760 --> 1:38:14.240 take a penny jars that sit at convenience stores and 1:38:14.280 --> 1:38:16.280 stores where it's like, oh, it's in, it's got somebody's 1:38:16.320 --> 1:38:18.000 logo on. It's like, yeah, you need a penny, Take 1:38:18.000 --> 1:38:20.479 a penny. What's going to happen to that sector? 1:38:20.920 --> 1:38:23.320 Well, that jar is now going to become nickel quarters 1:38:23.320 --> 1:38:24.000 and dimes. 1:38:24.640 --> 1:38:26.360 Well, then you got to make new I guess you 1:38:26.439 --> 1:38:27.960 sell new new product there. 1:38:28.000 --> 1:38:31.080 That's you just create a new label and that there 1:38:31.240 --> 1:38:32.479 give you give me all your silver. 1:38:32.560 --> 1:38:34.280 And I think that's you know, we talked about inflation, 1:38:34.320 --> 1:38:37.240 and that's that's really a good example of inflation. You know, 1:38:37.280 --> 1:38:40.800 the penny doesn't matter anymore. You know, the quarter is 1:38:40.800 --> 1:38:41.920 the new penny at this point? 1:38:42.360 --> 1:38:43.439 Are that what was the nickel? 1:38:43.439 --> 1:38:46.679 Give me the nextico then probably, I mean at some point. 1:38:46.760 --> 1:38:48.760 Yeah, I mean, you know you might see you might 1:38:48.800 --> 1:38:50.519 see that in the next twenty to fifty years. 1:38:50.560 --> 1:38:53.000 Certainly wait till you travel, you know, you go abroad 1:38:53.040 --> 1:38:54.880 or something like that. Some of the coinage in foreign 1:38:54.920 --> 1:38:57.160 countries are like manhole covers you're carrying. 1:38:56.840 --> 1:38:58.559 Around Lord Heart. 1:38:59.000 --> 1:38:59.880 Yeah, there are some big. 1:39:00.400 --> 1:39:02.000 Disc am I pot. I'm like, I'm good. Can I 1:39:02.040 --> 1:39:04.640 just use my credit card on this purchase here? And 1:39:04.840 --> 1:39:07.240 we're using that more now than ever because of because 1:39:07.280 --> 1:39:10.559 it's convenient. He's Andy Shaeffer at all Worth Financial. Their 1:39:10.600 --> 1:39:14.200 show Simply Money airs at six o'clock weeknights on fifty 1:39:14.240 --> 1:39:16.840 five k RCIK. Catch the podcast as well via the 1:39:16.840 --> 1:39:19.680 iHeartRadio app. Andy pops on the show Tuesdays. We will 1:39:19.800 --> 1:39:23.000 Financial tune up. Have a great Thanksgiving and I hope 1:39:23.000 --> 1:39:25.599 you choke on your green bean casserole. All right, Scott 1:39:25.880 --> 1:39:28.720 got awful. I cannot believe we're friends. This is a 1:39:29.160 --> 1:39:32.519 this is stupid as what this is. He knows his money, 1:39:32.520 --> 1:39:34.479 but when it comes to cuisine he has no taste. 1:39:34.520 --> 1:39:36.640 Andy Shaeffer at all Worth, thanks again. Willie's on the 1:39:36.640 --> 1:39:39.280 way coming up in just minutes here. 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