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Speaker 1: Do you want to be an American idiot show?

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Speaker 2: Seven hundred wlws will you'll wind it down towards Thanksgiving

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Speaker 2: and of note, and this is even brustling a number

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Speaker 2: of Republicans too.

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Speaker 3: And it's a big question.

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Speaker 2: How far does presidential power extend relative well, constitutionally speaking

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Speaker 2: to domestic and international invention, particularly with the military. So

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Speaker 2: whether it's in American cities or in Venezuela, or disobeying

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Speaker 2: potentially unlawful orders, it is a constitutional question for sure

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Speaker 2: that's going to be addressed out imagined by the High Court.

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Speaker 2: They ultimately decide the scope of executive branch authority through

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump, who's certainly pushing the envelope. Some may say

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Speaker 2: too far and illegal, and others say, well, that's the

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Speaker 2: purpose of the you know that, that's how all works.

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Speaker 2: You know, we tested and the court determines where the

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Speaker 2: line is. Jack Rinder's here. He's a constitutional attorney with

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Speaker 2: Ferouki Lawn Cincinnati. Also teaches a use at U see

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Speaker 2: a media ethics class. And it's odd that you're on

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Speaker 2: my show teaching media ethics. I think that's interesting. Irony there,

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Speaker 2: How are you been, friend?

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Speaker 4: I'm good, Yeah, I'm gonna talk.

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Speaker 3: I'm not a journalist. I'm a talk show host.

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Speaker 2: I just I appine, so I don't have to abide

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Speaker 2: by these stupid ethics anyway. So driving is the very

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Speaker 2: latest thing is we had the six Democratic veterans that

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Speaker 2: reminded the military intelligence communities that no one has to

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Speaker 2: right to carry out orders to violate our lower constitution.

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Speaker 2: That's part of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. It's

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Speaker 2: pretty clear. But I guess the question for a lot

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Speaker 2: of people, then Jack would be Okay, if I am

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Speaker 2: a I don't know. Let's say I'm a pilot, I'm

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Speaker 3: Who do I do? I make that decision?

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Speaker 2: Go Wow, this seems like it's unlawful because we're not

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Speaker 2: at war and this is not an enemy combatant, and

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Speaker 2: we're conflating drug runners with acts of war. Despite what

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Speaker 2: the President says, How does someone who is called out

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Speaker 2: on SORTY to accomplish that mission? Do they go to

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Speaker 3: Makes that decision how'd that work?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's right. I think that you know,

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Speaker 4: there there is something called the judge Advocate General, which

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Speaker 4: JAG or a judge advocate general, and they actually, at

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Speaker 4: least traditionally have been consulted on things like this and

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Speaker 4: uh will you know, sort of give the clearance in

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Speaker 4: advance of an order. And that's how it should work, okay, Uh,

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Speaker 4: so that the pilot who's flying when he gets the

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Speaker 4: been reviewed and it is it is being lawful.

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Speaker 4: You know, it would it would be chaotic, uh, to

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Speaker 4: supposed to uh discern on their end. But you know,

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Speaker 4: the other option is for senior commands if they think

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Speaker 4: you know it's not been uh he he's not really

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Speaker 4: he resigned, which you know, was was pretty much the

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Speaker 4: only option to him. But I think the notion that, uh,

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Speaker 4: it's just not really accurate. Those decisions are made, uh,

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Speaker 4: You know, what what I think is is, frankly more

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, trasition basically, it's it's intended to incite insurrection

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Speaker 3: It's not an overthrow, right, right, it's not at all.

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Speaker 4: And again I think that we've since since the early

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Speaker 4: we need to take action. That's protected speech under the

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Speaker 4: First Attendment, right, what is not what is not protected

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no question.

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Speaker 2: Out of the many that were there, the ones that

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Speaker 2: it didn't work out that way simply because we have

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Speaker 2: he's really testing the limits of the Constitution. It's an

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Speaker 4: Then, yeah, I think it is. And I think again,

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Speaker 4: you are not required to follow an unlawful order. Now

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Speaker 4: there's a lot of you know, well what's unlawful? What

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Speaker 4: our interview, you know who makes that determination. But they

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Speaker 4: First Amendment right to come back and say that susition.

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Speaker 4: You know what where I think again talking about the line, right,

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Speaker 4: I think when the penticon, you know, when when the

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Speaker 4: potential prosecution mark Kelly for for this, I think that's

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Speaker 4: that balleys. First, if Trump just wants to go on

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Speaker 4: that's fine. But I think when you start taking after

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Speaker 2: I think, Well, at the same time, again, they said

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Speaker 4: For I think for this video. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 2: I mean, it could be coincidental, probably not to agree

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Speaker 4: as you said, we we don't know if there's something

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Speaker 4: and that's really problematic. I mean, that is that is

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Speaker 4: you know, it really shouldn't just be a situation where

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Speaker 4: when you, when you, when you have such First Amendment right,

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's very troubling.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the other people said, well, it's just

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Speaker 2: That's exactly how it should work here too. Relative to Venezuela.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of which, I'm not quite sure why this came

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Speaker 2: I I really like their chicken noodle soup. It tastes

436
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,439
Speaker 2: like being a little kid again. There are countless Campbell

437
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,399
Speaker 2: soup flavors. Oh look at I go wow that. Oh ye,

438
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 2: I can mess with that. But who's actually eating cream

439
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 2: of mushroom soup? When it's not things, when it's not Thanksgiving.

440
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 2: It just something about it by itself. It's because you

441
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,679
Speaker 2: take it's like kind of this gelatinous mass. It's just

442
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 2: it's nasty. So the issue is there's nostalgia involved. You

443
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 2: grew up eating Campbell soup. You can go to the

444
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 2: green bean castrole and so there's no nostalgia there, and

445
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 2: it's easy to make and the taste it hits every time.

446
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 2: If you like the green Bee castle, like many many

447
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,919
Speaker 2: people do. I just it got to me going you

448
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 2: put so much work into making everything else. You're not, like,

449
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 2: I don't know, getting a box of instant mashed potatoes?

450
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 2: Are you serving that? I know some people might do

451
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 2: it because they can't cook, But if you can't cook,

452
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 2: you shouldn't be hosting Thanksgiving in the first place. I

453
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,400
Speaker 2: don't cook, So okay, I'll go to somebody else's house

454
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 2: and have them cook somebody who enjoys cooking. But geez,

455
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 2: don't show up the green bean castro. Good lord, I

456
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 2: know countless people love. And that's why this time every

457
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 2: year I declare ghat against green bean castrole, simply because

458
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 2: it just doesn't hold up to everything else on the table.

459
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 2: I mean even I give ben places like I don't

460
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 2: really cook, or you know you're you're young and single. Okay,

461
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 2: so you brought I don't know brownies. I mean, like

462
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 2: anybody can make brownies. I don't even know if you

463
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 2: made it from scratch, because you can't really tell the different.

464
00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,959
Speaker 2: I guess I shouldn't say that, because if you had

465
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 2: a really really good brownie versus what comes in a

466
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 2: box of duncan heines different story. But for some reason

467
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 2: that doesn't a family the green bean castle does. Maybe

468
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,919
Speaker 2: because dessert to me is more like an afterthought. I'm

469
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 2: not a big dessert guy. I will, by the way,

470
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 2: have a slice of pecan pie, which I keep saying this.

471
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 2: They were in studio last week the Dorothy Lane market people.

472
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 2: I stopped by the one in Mason yesterday got a

473
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 2: bunch of stuff for Thursday. But I did buy a

474
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 2: pecan pie, because honestly, that is the best pecan pie.

475
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 3: Think I've ever had.

476
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 2: Now, somebody's gonna climb Oh, you gotta go here, guy,

477
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 2: I don't want to turn into that topic. But nonetheless,

478
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,919
Speaker 2: it's a damn good pecan pie. Will say that. So

479
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 2: I like the pecan pie a couple times a year.

480
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 2: That would be it, right there, that would be it.

481
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 2: But the creama mushroom soup of cream of mushroom soup

482
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 2: sales happen this time year. It exists simply for Thanksgivin's

483
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,479
Speaker 2: that blow you away. I guess if we sold almost

484
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,199
Speaker 2: half of your inventory at that point, the question is

485
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 2: who where's the other sixty percent the rest of the

486
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 2: year that's eating at Campbell's Cream Mushroom. There's some weird

487
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 2: ones like creama celery. If you just look through the

488
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 2: Campbell soup flavors, I might have to google that Campbell

489
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 2: soup flavors. There's got to be some really weird one

490
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 2: cream is celery and a cream mushroom. There's a beef

491
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 2: in barley, which, okay, I kind of get that those

492
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 2: two things go together, for sure. It's a classic, and

493
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 2: they just you know, and the thing is you go

494
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 2: look at soup? Did you ever just stand back and

495
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 2: look at all the flavors Cambell soup, because there's they

496
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 2: just picture in your mind in the grocery store. I'm

497
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 2: not talking about like some of the other bougie Progresso,

498
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 2: which actually does some pretty good soups, but looking at

499
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 2: all the Campbell slavors, look at that, go wow, that's

500
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 2: that's a lot of flavor souper right they're producing right there,

501
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 2: I say cream tomato, chicken noodles or chicken with dars.

502
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 2: I feel like a little kid. I think they have

503
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 2: the alphabet chicken souper. Their chicken soup is pretty good.

504
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 2: It's not bad, it's fine, but uh, cream Mushroom's like, man,

505
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 2: I could really have a nice bullet cream mushroom soup.

506
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 2: Creama celery sounds good, sounds like something Willy would. I'm

507
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,360
Speaker 2: gonna have soup. I demand creama a mushroom. I want

508
00:25:58,400 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 2: creama celery.

509
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 3: That's something that's old man flavor there. I just I

510
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 3: don't know.

511
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 2: And Florence Robert, you're on the Scotsland Show. Thanks for

512
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 2: checking in, Happy Thanks skiving, what do you got?

513
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 7: Good morning? Hey, So my wife makes a good dish

514
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:15,239
Speaker 7: with pork chops with the creama mushroom soup over that

515
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 7: works really well. She fries up the pork chops, layers

516
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 7: it with that creama mushroom and it's delicious. So yeah,

517
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 7: other than the other than that in the broxy, I'm

518
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 7: not sure what else to do with it.

519
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 2: But over those yeah, I was wonder if anybody's I mean, yeah,

520
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:30,959
Speaker 2: i'd messed with that.

521
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 3: That sounds that sounds not bad.

522
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 2: But I just wonder who's going, Wow, I just want

523
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 2: a bowl of cream, but who's just eating the crey.

524
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 2: It's ingreded It's a gravy, right, it's it's a condiment.

525
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 3: It helps everything.

526
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 7: Else, that's what it does. It makes that gravy over

527
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 7: those port chops. My wife, Yam Pagan, does a great

528
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 7: job with that. So that's when we get some more of.

529
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 2: That, all right, youtwo buddy, Hey Dan, next time you

530
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 2: have pork chops, I'm coming over. That sounds pretty good. There,

531
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 2: I messed with that, but you're sitting down, okay. So

532
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 2: it is a it's it's it's an ingredient for their diction.

533
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: No one's eating cream of celery. What do you use cream?

534
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 2: Of celery soup for they still make that even I'm

535
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 2: gonna do this, let me take a time out. I'm

536
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 2: gonna google this and I'm gonna have an answer for you.

537
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 2: Now I'm curious as well. Scott's loan show back in

538
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 2: about four here seven hundred ww yeah means abating the

539
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 2: mushroom soup that Campbell's makes, and who eats mushroom soup

540
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 2: if it's not part of a recipe, goes to undermine

541
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 2: my or support my argument, undermine green Bean Castle as

542
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 2: it is, especially with this being g Hodday on the

543
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 2: show against green Bean cast role. Martin Bailey, who's a

544
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 2: vice president and chief information security officer Campbell is called

545
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 2: Campbell Scott in the meeting, saying recorded by the way saying,

546
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 2: we have s the S word shapep we have asked

547
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 2: for fing poor people who buys our s. I don't

548
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 2: buy Campbell's products barely anymore, buy you engineered meat. I

549
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 2: don't want to eat a piece of chicken that came

550
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: from a three D printer. You know, I'll be honest

551
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 2: with you. I need a piece of chicken came from

552
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 2: a three D printer. I mean, I at least try

553
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 2: try anything how bad could it be? How bad could

554
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 2: it be for you? I mean, maybe not a steady

555
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 2: diet of it.

556
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 3: I don't know.

557
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 2: We don't know the long term consequences of that. With

558
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 2: new stuff. We never do, but I don't know. I

559
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: mean stomach acid hits that digest you take the nutrients out,

560
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 2: anything bad you poop out sounds like a kind of

561
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 2: a win Win engineered chicken. Yeah, that guy's gonna have

562
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 2: a That's gonna be a rough holiday for you. Don't

563
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 2: want to be crapping on Campbell's around Thanksgiving. That's like

564
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 2: this is their super Bowl. It's a super Bowl of soup,

565
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: specifically the mushroom soup. I mentioned the hideous flavors are

566
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 2: out there, and I guess the cream of celery has

567
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: been discontinued. I'm looking at twenty one soups, most of

568
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 2: them discontinued from the history of Campbell's celery soup, pepper

569
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 2: pot soup, the bean soup, the pea soup, mock turtle soup,

570
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 2: unless you're the Brown family, the only one in twenty

571
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 2: twenty five eating mock turtle soup anymore. They did that

572
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 2: media day once a year, and they always serve the

573
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 2: mock turtle soup just screens old asparagus soup that doesn't

574
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 2: sound good. A julienne soup, no idea. Print and ear

575
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 2: print p r I n t A n I e

576
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 2: are printineer soup no idea. Uh wait, there's a description here.

577
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 2: Printedeer is exquisitely bended blended chicken and beef broth with

578
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 2: vegetables and fancy shapes, gels and can overnight excellent. I

579
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 2: need some jellied soup. Sounds good. They had oxtail soup

580
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 2: at one time. Oxtail by itself is actually pretty good

581
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 2: if you if you braise it right.

582
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 3: What else?

583
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: Mutton soup O good, Lord help us? And a consumme,

584
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: a consumme. So they're all there. Those are the flavors

585
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 2: of Thanksgiving past with the campbell soup com Well, now

586
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 2: they broken it out, and you know you've got chunky

587
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 2: soup and everything else, but oyster seuw and mock turtle

588
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 2: soup and the cream of celery are no longer, so

589
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 2: they're down due I don't know, like a dozen or

590
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 2: so flavors right now. And then you get the chunky's

591
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 2: and the homostile soups and that's why the soup aisle

592
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 2: is so full. One of the ones I have today.

593
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 2: I look at the future genermists, look at going. I'm

594
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 2: not sure about that. They have a They're discontinued. When

595
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 2: I saw that's kind of like, what were you thinking?

596
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: Chunky Philly style cheese steak soup. Wow, cheese steak soup?

597
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 2: Does I like cheese steak? I'm not gonna touch that.

598
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 2: They also have the uh cheddar cheese soup cheese soup thin.

599
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 2: Giving a bowl of cheese sounds good anyway? Five one

600
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 2: three s four, nine thousand and eight of the Big

601
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 2: One talk back. I heard radio app all this because

602
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 2: I hate green bean Castle. You can be lave it

603
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 2: twenty minutes a bitching about green bean Castle. Do what

604
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 2: you're sitting in your car or your home, wherever you're listening,

605
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 2: stuck in traffic going, then just don't eat a dummy.

606
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 2: I know I won't, but I I have to profess

607
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 2: my hatred of green bean castrole.

608
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 3: That's all there is to it.

609
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 2: The idea behind it is just insulting, is what it is.

610
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: And I'm fine with Campbell soup like you know, tomato soup,

611
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 2: chicken noodle. They don't do the chicken the alphabet chicken

612
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: soup is gone. I don't know if they still do

613
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 2: the chicken with stars goes to show the last of

614
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 2: my body can of soup. Nonetheless, I should really have

615
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 2: done this topic before Bill Cunningham, because no one he's

616
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 2: at the age now where at least one meal a

617
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 2: day of involved soup to be a perfect topic for him. Anyway,

618
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 2: let me hit Chris next and Cincy, what's up man?

619
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 8: Hey Slony, it's Chris. I just want to let you

620
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 8: know that growing up, I used to have creama mushroom soup.

621
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 8: My mom would make it. You would dump the condensed

622
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 8: soup into his thoughts hand. We would do one can

623
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 8: of milk. We'd get up, we would heat it up,

624
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 8: and we would serve it with like saltines or rich crackers.

625
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 8: Like I had that for lunch on weekends and like

626
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 8: during a Christmas break as a kid, and even now

627
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 8: every once in a while as an adult, I think, gosh,

628
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 8: maybe I'll have some mushroom soup for lunch.

629
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 2: Wow, you could be one of the few people eating

630
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 2: creama mushroom soup, not a Thanksgiving.

631
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 3: That's incredible. You're like a unicorn.

632
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 8: Man, I don't know about that, but that was that

633
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 8: was before three D printer, so I think they were

634
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 8: real mushrooms back then.

635
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 5: Night.

636
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 2: Seriously, man, when you mess, you'd mess with the three

637
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 2: D chicken breast just once.

638
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, I think I try it with you, like,

639
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 5: if you taste.

640
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 2: It like it tastes pretty good, this isn't bad. And

641
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 2: how much does it cost? Oh, it's pretty cheap, but

642
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: it's genetically modified.

643
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 3: I don't know. It tastes like chicken like I don't know.

644
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 6: I look at these soups.

645
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: You've had that taste like other things, and you know

646
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 2: there's nothing Most of the stuff we eat is artificially

647
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 2: flavor with those difference.

648
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, but that that cream mushroom floony, I'm toonia with some.

649
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Speaker 5: Rich crackers and stuff. It's not alright, I stu. I said,

650
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 5: it's not bad. It's worth a shot.

651
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Speaker 8: If you ever get a clamor for it. But I

652
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Speaker 8: got I appreciate you.

653
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Speaker 2: And all right, I love that brother, Thanks man, I

654
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: appreciate you. Yeah, I don't think there's every time in

655
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 2: my life that I go I'm think i'mnna have some

656
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 2: cream and mushroom soup simply because to me, it would

657
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 2: just remind me of the green bean castrole. Maybe that's

658
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 2: what it is for people. If you just eat the soup,

659
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 2: it's like green bean castle. Oh, Crambell Soup Company is

660
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 2: still rocking and rolling. VP is not helping. You're not

661
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: helping us. Put me down. Put me down for a

662
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 2: half of genetically modified three D printed chicken. Just put

663
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 2: me down for a half of rotisserie. You could come

664
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Speaker 2: out season to the printer. We'll pick this up at

665
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 2: a later date. Anyway, enough bs, we've got news on

666
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 2: the way in just a few minutes. Speaking of eating

667
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 2: yourself stupid, I have this guy in once a year,

668
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: maybe sometimes twice year. His name is David Bissonette, and

669
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 2: he has research. He has researched why we overeat, essentially

670
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 2: because food This is like the Golden Age, right, food

671
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: taste amazing. Look at the flavors from Campbell's past terrible, right,

672
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 2: we look like the gold Everything's delicious right now and

673
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 2: it's only going to get better. And it's delicious because

674
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 2: companies engineer food to make us eat more than we

675
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: should past our point of being satiated. It's called the

676
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Speaker 2: bliss point. David Bisonette is next as we head into Thanksgiving,

677
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 2: an appropriate topic on the Scott Sloan Show, Home of

678
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Speaker 2: the Best Bengals coverage seven hundred to.

679
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Speaker 1: An American floating here on seven hundred wlwe are at

680
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: that time of year now, probably started with Halloween, but

681
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: with Thanksgiving looming here literally on the horizon.

682
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Speaker 2: We can see it, we can smell it, we can

683
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 2: teach it, we can almost touch it. And that is

684
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 2: the amount of food we're gonna eat. A lot of food,

685
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 2: and a lot of it not good for us, a

686
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 2: lot of ultra processed foods. And there's something called the

687
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 2: bliss point. You wonder why you don't stop beating when

688
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 2: you're full. You only stop beating when you hate yourself,

689
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 2: and that is because of the confluence of fat, salt,

690
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Speaker 2: and sugar. Food scientists are a long time have been

691
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 2: developing that they've cracked the code years ago, and when

692
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 2: those three things are together in the right balance and

693
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 2: the right harmony, you literally unlock the code to get

694
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Speaker 2: people to gorge themselves, stuff themselves silly. And that's what

695
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Speaker 2: we face. The science behind that. Doctor David Bissonette is

696
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 2: here is a nutritional scientist and joins the show on

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Speaker 2: seven hundred, Why doctor, how are you.

698
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Speaker 9: I'm very well, god, very good, good hopefully.

699
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Speaker 3: I described that correctly. But in fat, salt, and.

700
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Speaker 2: Sugar, yeah job, yeah, yeah. But it's interesting because this

701
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 2: is this is literally decades and decades and decades of

702
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: research to come up with what they call the bliss point.

703
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Speaker 4: Yep.

704
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Speaker 9: Yeah, they're they're developed in sensory evaluation labs in these

705
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 9: corporate headquarters and labs, and they determine where it is,

706
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 9: like you said, where the high excitation points are for

707
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 9: different foods combinations of assault, sugar and fat, and they

708
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 9: indeed it dick people and it causes what they call

709
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 9: repeat acquisition behavior going back to it because you love it,

710
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 9: but like you said, it's really bad for you. So

711
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Speaker 9: I described this, I investigate this in the book Insatiable Nations,

712
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 9: Unpeaceable Hunger, And that's it.

713
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Speaker 2: Right as we have Yeah, for the longest time, I mean,

714
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 2: food was okay, I eat to live, to work, and

715
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 2: then I eat some more to fuel. So because I'm

716
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 2: working physically and in the modern area in America and

717
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 2: in the modernized world, that's changed, right, We are largely set,

718
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 2: and yet food has now become entertainment. It's also become delicious,

719
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: which we didn't have as is probably as recently as

720
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Speaker 2: a couple generations ago.

721
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Speaker 9: I guess, oh yeah, you got that right. We were

722
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 9: very complex and we eat for emotional reasons, and the

723
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 9: research is now showing that this is actually caused by

724
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 9: depression and anxiety. We see that prevalence still high depression,

725
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 9: high anxiety, emotional eating. We have stress eating, and we

726
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 9: have we call mindless habit driven eating. And this is

727
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 9: where it becomes potentially disastrous for kids to be introduced

728
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 9: to these foods early on, because they carry them forward

729
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 9: and that's exactly what they do. It's mindless eating. It's

730
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Speaker 9: a default and it's terrible.

731
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Speaker 3: How did we get to that point?

732
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Speaker 2: I mean, if you think about how absurd it is

733
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 2: that I would get home after a long day of

734
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 2: work and have dinner and hour whatever it is, Okay,

735
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Speaker 2: I'm going to open a box of cheese it's or

736
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 2: drida and sit there and watch TV and shovel them

737
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 2: in my face unconsciously, just loading myself with calories.

738
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Speaker 3: And it's you know what, I don't know about you.

739
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 4: It's awesome, but you're doing it.

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Speaker 9: It's often for the time you're doing it, but remember

741
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 9: you feel loudy after. So we have two basic mechanisms

742
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 9: to control appetite. One's called the homeostatic mechanism. It's balanced

743
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,959
Speaker 9: in the body. It's based on energy reserves and that

744
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,879
Speaker 9: normally should suffice right to say, Okay, you've got enough

745
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 9: fat reserves, and it has all kinds of you know,

746
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 9: hormones to sort of stop the eating, and it's a

747
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 9: it's a pretty good mechanism. But we also have what

748
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 9: they call the hidonic eating, right, the pleasure centered eating,

749
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 9: which you know really is in the frontal lobe of

750
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 9: the brain. And that explains why it is a Thanksgiving

751
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 9: that we fill ourselves with turkey and really say we

752
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 9: couldn't eat another bite, yet when the pumpkin pie comes out,

753
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 9: we have one and two pieces. So that is basically

754
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 9: what's happening is that our hedonic center, the pleasure center,

755
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 9: is causing us to overeat beyond what we need and

756
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 9: like you said, we enjoy it, but only for a

757
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 9: short time.

758
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because the misery lasts longer. You're miserable for days

759
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 2: after you stuff yourself with thanks Kim. It's the best

760
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 2: when you're eating, and then after you feel like hell,

761
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 2: and you know, you don't eat, you don't you don't

762
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 2: eat till you're full, You'll eat till you hate yourself.

763
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Speaker 5: Yep.

764
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Speaker 9: Yeah, And we do that consistently, even though we say,

765
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 9: all right, next time, I'm not going to do this.

766
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 9: But you know, it's very enticing and it's part of

767
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 9: you know, it should be part of a you know,

768
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 9: sort of a almost like a moral base behavior fixed

769
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 9: on temperance. Right, It's kind of like a discipline that

770
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 9: we need to sort of exercise more in our lives.

771
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 9: But this is really difficult to do because the food

772
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 9: food industry promotes right with very sophisticated ads. Give you

773
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 9: an example, nineteen ninety seven Madison, you know, Medisine Street

774
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 9: and Madison Avenue. Advertisers are spending seven billion dollars in

775
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 9: advertising foods of all sorts. The USDA's budget was three

776
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 9: hundred and thirty three millions, and so the co and

777
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 9: that was to promote healthy food. And when you have

778
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:31,720
Speaker 9: this kind of dichotomy, right, you can't overcome it easily.

779
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 9: And that's why my book Insatiable I talk about radical

780
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 9: shifts in the you know, in our lifestyle and in

781
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 9: our diet that we need to sort of promote. One is,

782
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 9: you know, stop the soda pop, right, it's not a

783
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 9: negotiable because it's too addictance.

784
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 2: You can vilify certainly the fast food industry, the quick

785
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: food industry, the premide food industry.

786
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 5: You know.

787
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: But but I guess I don't know. I've almost said

788
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 2: this is kind of like a negative to capitalism. But

789
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 2: you know, they've got to increase their margins. They've got

790
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,959
Speaker 2: to make more. They got to find ways for people

791
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 2: to buy more food. And for people to buy more food,

792
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 2: they have to consume the food that they're eating. And

793
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 2: so you want to sell more pop and chips and

794
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 2: candy and things that are processed.

795
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 3: I get that old point.

796
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 2: It's up to us to show some restraint, but it's

797
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 2: difficult the way is formulated. I get that whole model.

798
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 2: I guess the other side before someone takes away is

799
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 2: you know, this is bashing big food and everything. You know,

800
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 2: look that we have done for for example, you don't

801
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 2: see people starving to death anymore. You look at all

802
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 2: of the you know, you look at all of the

803
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 2: maladies that our generations before us suffered from. Malnutrition wise

804
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 2: and brain development and bone density, and all those things,

805
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 2: and you know that's in the rear view mirror in

806
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: the modern world. Now, that downside is we're killing ourselves

807
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 2: with that same knife and fork.

808
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 3: We've gone to the other extreme.

809
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 2: But you know, because of the ready available of food,

810
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 2: because the prices have dropped because of that technology, it's

811
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 2: eliminated starvation, which was a scourge for the world for

812
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 2: most of the time humans have been on this planet.

813
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 9: Well, it's an interesting point you're making, but what we

814
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 9: don't really realized is that back in the nineteen thirty

815
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 9: America is teppered with malnutrician and that was within the

816
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 9: era of the industrial revolution and mass production. So we

817
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 9: actually did not solve the problem back then. It took

818
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 9: a while to get onto the concept of fortification. But

819
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 9: we're really fortifying food and that's what they were doing

820
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 9: that were ultimately so highly processed that they.

821
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 4: Were worked with.

822
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:26,959
Speaker 6: Yeah.

823
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you see that a lot today too, I

824
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 2: guess is this setting up to be By the way,

825
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 2: Doctor David Bissonett, he's a professor of nutrition, a doctorate

826
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 2: nutritional science, writes about insatiable, about what's called the bliss point,

827
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 2: and that is food manufacturer's process with manufacturers have developed

828
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 2: and it depends obviously on the product because this has

829
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 2: been researched and focused group to death that they have

830
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: found the exact correct proportions when the salt and sugar

831
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 2: and fat in a product to get you to eat

832
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 2: as much as possible so they can sell more and

833
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 2: make more money. And that is a capitalist dynamic right there,

834
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: for good or for bad. But this is starting to

835
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 2: sound like it's setting up to be maybe a lawsuit

836
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 2: developed like we saw with big tobacco, right is, hey,

837
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 2: we made a product that's highly addictive and dangerous. You

838
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 2: can make that case with these types of processed foods,

839
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 2: can't you?

840
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,479
Speaker 9: Oh you can. And in fact, it's very interestingly, these

841
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 9: very tobacco companies that got their hands slapped are the

842
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 9: very ones that bought Nubisco General Foods, and they mastered

843
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 9: obviously the advertising, and they're applying the same concepts to

844
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 9: food as they did to tobacco. They own the food company.

845
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, sure, and it's like, okay, we can do

846
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 3: that only with food.

847
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 6: Now.

848
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 3: I think it's a more I don't know, improving in course.

849
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 2: So for example, we know that tobacco, you know, by

850
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 2: itself is less now I'm gonna say safe, but it's

851
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,959
Speaker 2: less dangerous until you start adding chemicals and all sorts

852
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 2: of things to make it more addictive and consumable and

853
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 2: preserve it. And that's what happens when you come buys tobacco,

854
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 2: because now you've got tire and nicotine, and nicotine gets you.

855
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 3: But there's no nicotine in food.

856
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 2: How do you make the connection between a national physical

857
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 2: addiction to something like tobacco and then try and translate

858
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 2: that to potato chips.

859
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 3: It's that element's not.

860
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 9: There, you know. Yeah, it's very It's just I mean truly,

861
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 9: the food that we eat is very high in sugar,

862
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 9: and we have the food industry has vehicles to get

863
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 9: that in. Just to give you an example, two thousand

864
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 9: and eight, the soda pomp industry flooded, you know, the

865
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 9: American landscape really with about the equivalent of fifty four

866
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 9: gallons of available soda pomp for person per year. And

867
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 9: that's incredible, and we were big consumers and that brought

868
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 9: in extra calories, and these calories aren't good. I remember

869
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,479
Speaker 9: teaching down in Kentucky and there was the student teams

870
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 9: to me and said, listen, I drink fourteen twelve ounce

871
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 9: doctor pepper the day and feeling good. Yeah, do you

872
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 9: have recommendations?

873
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 6: And so.

874
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 2: The band stupid, there's your recommendations. You're fatally stupid.

875
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 9: He he was addicted. It was sugar highs and this

876
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 9: is you know, has a certain part of the population

877
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 9: affected by this. You'd be very surprised how many people

878
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 9: actually consume sort of pop. But also you know, sweetened

879
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 9: sweetened beverages as well, and you know also chips, which

880
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 9: are very high in fat and our so tinety mechanism

881
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 9: doesn't really kick in the same way for liquids and

882
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 9: for high density things like chips, so they you know,

883
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 9: they don't give us the signal okay, you've had enough,

884
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 9: even though we may have you know, consumed twelve hundred

885
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 9: calories and chips.

886
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it doesn't seem like it when you're eating it.

887
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 2: That's the thing. It's calorically that it's dense, but it's

888
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 2: not filling.

889
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 9: It is correct. I've seen students down a full twelve

890
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 9: ounce bag of potato chips and top that off with

891
00:44:58,480 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 9: a pizza.

892
00:44:59,120 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 5: Yep.

893
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's great to have that younger person's metabolism.

894
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 2: That's the thing, right because when I was younger. You know,

895
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 2: you're playing sports or whatever. Yeah, you sit down. You

896
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 2: could kill a two liter of pepsi in needle, half

897
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 2: a loaf of bread, and an entire package of baloney

898
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 2: and be hungry an hour later.

899
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 9: Well, this is true, but what we don't realize is

900
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 9: these foods that are you know, high and fat actually

901
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 9: cause damage to the body. We have a new phenomena, right,

902
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 9: it's a non alcoholic sabby liver disease. And this is leading,

903
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 9: This is going to lead in the next decades to

904
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 9: higher needs for liver transplants. We are sickening our people

905
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 9: because of that. We think, oh, we have a high metabolism.

906
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 5: Not so.

907
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:45,240
Speaker 9: That level of intake actually causes accelerated synthesis of fat

908
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 9: in the liver, coming primarily from hyper corn syrups some theory,

909
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 9: but certainly it's from the sugar, the high serger loads

910
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 9: that we're eating. So no, this is not about an

911
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 9: issue of high metabolism and how lucky we are. We're

912
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 9: setting up those young people for a chronic life of

913
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 9: you know, chronic disease.

914
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 2: Well, there lies the problem, doctor, right, is it? You

915
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: know you can you need more calories when you're growing obviously,

916
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 2: and that's why you know, you look at a teenage

917
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 2: boy and it's my god, how much money and food?

918
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 5: Am I?

919
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 3: This is great.

920
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 2: I got to work a third job in order to

921
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 2: afford just the food. But the problem is you continue

922
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 2: those eating patterns, and many people, when they get to

923
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 2: their late twenties orly thirties maybe forties, continue to eat

924
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: like they're a teenager. That's when the weight gets packed on.

925
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 9: Well yeah, absolutely. But the thing that you're not mentioning

926
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 9: here that's in the equation, yeah, is this high coloric

927
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:40,439
Speaker 9: load that's required is usually tied to the youth, absolutely,

928
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 9: and to the high activity traditionally tagged to youth. This

929
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 9: is not the case anymore. We actually have a condition

930
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 9: called scientism. It's a new disease that's being investigated by

931
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 9: physiologists because of the high degree of inactivity in the youth.

932
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 9: They're actually developing old people's disease.

933
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we have one something yeah, something like

934
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 2: one and four. I think I just read a stand

935
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 2: on one and four. Young people between twelve and nineteen

936
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 2: are pre diabetic.

937
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, yeah, it's it's it's an epidemic, absolutely, And

938
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 9: the thing about diabetes is that you know, type two

939
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 9: diabetes is that it's you know, ninety five percent associated

940
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 9: with weighting right though, with obesity. So the only way

941
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 9: to solve it, of course, is to eat leaner. And again,

942
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 9: you know the book. If you go to insatiablewe dot com,

943
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,959
Speaker 9: which is the website, you'll get more information about the book,

944
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 9: but also certain other ideas. I've got videos up there

945
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 9: and stuff that tackle different subjects.

946
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, gotcha.

947
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 2: There's the thing though, because it sounds like one may

948
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 2: listen to you, doctor and gold. So what you're saying

949
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 2: is make food less delicious.

950
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:56,919
Speaker 9: No food is supposed to be delicious. Using spices and herbs,

951
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 9: it can be incredible. What happens is we've overst iimmolated

952
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 9: our taste buds. And if you're going to make that

953
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 9: radical shift to normal food, it takes a little while,

954
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 9: but not that long. It takes a week or two

955
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 9: getting off those highs and really realizing. You know, you

956
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 9: know people say to me, oh, I can't get off

957
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 9: soda pop. Well, you know these were patients of mine previously,

958
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,479
Speaker 9: and you know, within a week they say, oh my god,

959
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 9: I feel so much better. Yeah, and I don't have

960
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 9: craving for sugar.

961
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 5: Like I used to do.

962
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 9: So it's actually not that difficult, and it's really the

963
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 9: stress of disengaging from that high level of sugar. It's

964
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 9: really short lived. And the same thing goes for the

965
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 9: foods our. Evolutionary genes were not meant to be adaptive

966
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 9: to this high level of tape sensation.

967
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 2: If we keep eating this way, though, doctor Bissonette, want

968
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 2: our genetics change. I mean we all adapt to the environment.

969
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 2: So if we continue to eat like we eat, don't

970
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 2: dount our bodies to simply change.

971
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 3: And it may take centuries, but don't we have.

972
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 9: All Oh, really look more in terms of thousands of years, Okay,

973
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 9: but really what we know in terms of epide genetic

974
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,959
Speaker 9: changes that take place in uteral For example, a mother

975
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 9: that an expected mother that eats poorly, that's overweight, she

976
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 9: passes on epigenetic changes to the baby, who then becomes

977
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 9: prone to obesity and a variety of chronic diseases. So

978
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 9: this genetic story really doesn't pan out correctly. Right, It

979
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 9: does appear that we can have a formula like a

980
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 9: code for help, and we can't really deviate from it

981
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 9: unless we don't become chronically ill, and the United States

982
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,720
Speaker 9: is very chronically ill. You know, we have a healthcare

983
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 9: expenditure of about three point seven billion dollars and seventy

984
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 9: five percent of that is tied to chronic disease. Just

985
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 9: think about it.

986
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean you believe it. You see it

987
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 2: all over right. We are literally the diseases we used

988
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 2: to die. If you look back one hundred years, even

989
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 2: as fascinated by the stuff, you don't you forgot existed

990
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 2: in this country, you have to look up the definition

991
00:49:57,960 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 2: of what it means hundred years ago.

992
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 3: It's exactly happles to day.

993
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 2: Everything is largely everything is based on what we consume,

994
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 2: whether it's a cancer, uh, some forms of lymphoma, but

995
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 2: most certainly heart disease and things. It's because of what

996
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 2: we're putting in our bodies as opposed to what we're

997
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 2: not putting in our bodies.

998
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 9: There's high correlations to that, you know, quantic disease, colding cancer,

999
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 9: very high association with you know, low fiber and poor

1000
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 9: dietary habits and lack of exercise as well.

1001
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's all the hard stuff, right, I mean,

1002
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 2: you know, eating whole grains and it doesn't taste as

1003
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 2: good as a bag of Doritos.

1004
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 3: I mean, you know you admit that, would you?

1005
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 2: I mean if you had a bag of doritos and

1006
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 2: I had a bag of kale chips, what would you reade?

1007
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 3: Now, you know you'd eat the kale chips.

1008
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 2: But you can't tell me that the doritos are the

1009
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 2: doritos are one hundred times more delicious than any cal chips.

1010
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 9: Well, listen, I go into this in the but but

1011
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 9: ultimately you shouldn't be eating chips. That's one of the

1012
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:58,439
Speaker 9: radical changes. Chips have invaded our food supply in such

1013
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 9: a way that we have really caused a massive obedience

1014
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,919
Speaker 9: in food behavior. Chips have virtually no nutritional value, yet,

1015
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 9: like you say, they're various goods and again a radical

1016
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 9: shift roup you know, stop, you know, to stop eating

1017
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 9: these will open up your case buds actually to appreciate

1018
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 9: the more subtle cases of fruit and vegetables. We see

1019
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 9: this problem in children who are brought up on chips

1020
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,760
Speaker 9: and things of that nature. They will not eat fruits

1021
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 9: and vegetables. We hear mothers complain about it all the time. Well,

1022
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 9: what happened is they introduced it too early, right, and

1023
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 9: they for you know they forever captured their trillren so

1024
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 9: to speak into you know what it ends up to being, uh,

1025
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 9: you know, a weight management problem they can never get

1026
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 9: out of.

1027
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 2: All right, I gotta get gone, but I appreciate the time.

1028
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 2: Doctor David Bissonette, he's an Associate Professor nutrition, uh doctor

1029
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 2: in nutritional science, and writes about this and insatiable the

1030
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 2: nation's unappeased hunger. It certainly is the scourge of well,

1031
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 2: not just our generation, I think the past one, in

1032
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 2: future ones as well. Doctor all the best, thanks.

1033
00:51:58,239 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 9: Again, well, thank you very much.

1034
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 3: Also, I hope.

1035
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 2: That none of this, whether the conversation would dissuade you

1036
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 2: from eating like you're on death row, because I plan

1037
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 2: on doing that on Thursday myself. It's just interesting information

1038
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 2: and it's marketing and it's so American that we have

1039
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 2: developed food to make us eat, us eat past the

1040
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 2: point of being full, so we buy more, we eat more.

1041
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 2: If you know that, do with that information what you wish?

1042
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I look, gluttony is it really should be?

1043
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 2: There should just be the sixths, especially this time of

1044
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 2: the year. Can we just table to gluttony for we're

1045
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 2: just pumped the Brakes on that shall we slowly seven

1046
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 2: hundred WLW. Here we go moments ago at the White House.

1047
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 2: The white turkey has been pardoned, the white turkey. The

1048
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 2: white turkey will be here at twelve oh six. Bill

1049
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 2: Cunningham on seven hundred WLW talking about American giblets and

1050
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,919
Speaker 2: that little hag in piece of meat under the chin

1051
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 2: of a turkey. What is that called? It is a

1052
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 2: stupid looking bird, isn't it. What that gross, gross hanging down.

1053
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure what that is. And now the

1054
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,879
Speaker 2: white turkey almost attacked some toddler in the White House

1055
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 2: press room. More in that with Brian Combs and Ricky Chino.

1056
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 2: When turkeys breakout, we break in here on the home

1057
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 2: of poultry, seven hundred W WALLW.

1058
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 3: So this happened to UC.

1059
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 2: Game, and it was an f the Mormon's chant that

1060
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 2: briefly broke out at in Ippert Stadium. I thought I

1061
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 2: read somewhere in social and if it's true or not

1062
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 2: that the pan on Steward said, knock.

1063
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 3: It off yesterday.

1064
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 2: This led Cincinnati Athletic Director John Cunningham to apologize to

1065
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 2: the Brigham Young community and the Church of Jesus Christ.

1066
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 2: The Latter Day Saints, not just UC but also Arizona

1067
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 2: and USC other schools whose student body have engaged in

1068
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 2: the same chant. Colorado was just find fifty thousand dollars

1069
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 2: by the Big Twelve when their student section broke out

1070
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 2: with that chant in September. Dion Sanders, by the way,

1071
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 2: he apologized, saying the obligatory that's not indicative of who

1072
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 2: we are, No, it is not, but it's indicative of

1073
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 2: the people who are shouting. And that's that's my problem

1074
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 2: with apologies. I think we are in the way. Too

1075
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 2: many apologies age in America.

1076
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 5: Now.

1077
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong. I certainly wouldn't chant f the Mormons,

1078
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 2: especially since you know they showed up whooped our butts

1079
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 2: and they donated. The traveling folks from Utah donated over

1080
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 2: twenty seven pounds of food to the Bearcat Food Pantry.

1081
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 2: It's the largest donationingle donation I've ever had. And in

1082
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 2: addition to that, at the Tilgate, over six hundred coats

1083
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 2: were donated by Cougar fans to the naacp CO drive.

1084
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 2: That's pretty cool considering the road trip, the length of

1085
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 2: the road trip. I don't if they came here and

1086
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 2: bought the coach and the can goods. I'm not sure,

1087
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 2: but that takes a lot. It's one thing to do

1088
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 2: it at home, but for a visiting team to do

1089
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 2: that and have knowledge of doing that ahead of time,

1090
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 2: that is spectacular.

1091
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 3: We should celebrate that.

1092
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 2: I don't know whoever chanted that f the Mormons, that

1093
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 2: they missed that whole thing, but yeah, it's I think

1094
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 2: we can agree that's atrocious. You shouldn't do that, and

1095
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 2: I'm going to make excuses for their behavior. What I

1096
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 2: want to talk about, though, is our apology culture. And

1097
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 2: it's because everyone has offended everything. And I'm not downplaying

1098
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 2: the insensitivity here of the f the Mormon stand. It's

1099
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 2: bigger than that, just the nature of apologies. The thing is,

1100
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 2: with apologies, I can only apologize for the things I

1101
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 2: do or did. Goodness knows all of us and our

1102
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 2: history and our life here on earth. We have things

1103
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 2: we apologize for or should have apologized before. That is

1104
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 2: an action or inaction, something you did, something you to

1105
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 2: think of, something crass, out of place, whatever it might be.

1106
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 2: We've all had our moments of not being the best

1107
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 2: person we possibly could. There's none of us out there

1108
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 2: haven't done something stupid, especially when we're younger and maybe

1109
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 2: under the influence of alcohol. It doesn't excuse the behavior,

1110
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 2: but it is up to the person who commits the

1111
00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 2: offense to apologize. I don't understand why UCEE feels they

1112
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 2: need to apologize for something they had no control over.

1113
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 2: They didn't sanction, they didn't approve. It's not like, hey,

1114
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 2: if we're losing in the fourth quarter, we're gonna all

1115
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 2: start chatting together F the Mormons. Like if you see

1116
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 2: we're handing out towels that said F the Mormons on

1117
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 2: them and wave them, or t shirts with the UC

1118
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 2: logo on it, the barricat logo said F the Mormons.

1119
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 2: Y know, you should apologize for that, but they're not

1120
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 2: going to do that. You can't, you know, It's like

1121
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 2: I can't apologize for the actions of drunken fans. Why

1122
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 2: it just to me because it waters down apologies, Like

1123
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 2: everyone apologizing except for the people who did this is

1124
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 2: it's hollow and it reduces what an apology is and

1125
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 2: should be. You know, the idea of now because we

1126
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:55,240
Speaker 2: abhor this behavior, why would you find a university fifty

1127
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 2: thousand dollars for something you had no control over? They

1128
00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 2: tried to get them to shut up. The PA announced

1129
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 2: it allegedly told them to. I don't know what the

1130
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:06,399
Speaker 2: wording is for that one. I don't know if it's

1131
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 2: just simply hey, shut the hell up, I don't know.

1132
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 2: But okay, we got to find you fifty grand. Why

1133
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 2: the universe had nothing to do with this, Well, we

1134
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 2: got to find you any Why Well, because we got

1135
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 2: to make it look like we don't condone this paper. Well,

1136
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 2: no kidding, ninety nine percent of the world does not

1137
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 2: condone this behavior, of course, not whatever epithet it might

1138
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 2: be normal saying well adjusted, well meaning, balanced people look

1139
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 2: at that and go, yeah, that's offensive, that's stupid, You're

1140
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 2: an idiot.

1141
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 3: Can't we just leave it at that?

1142
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 2: Fifty thousand dollars fine though, that to me, that's just

1143
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 2: that's see insane. Well, we got to show, we got

1144
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 2: to prove to people we're not we don't hate more.

1145
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 2: Of course, no one hat I mean I shouldn't say

1146
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 2: that there's hate in the world for sure, but you

1147
00:57:55,960 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 2: know you finding someone fifty grand doesn't what does that prove?

1148
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 3: What does that say?

1149
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 2: Well, they must take this thing really seriously, Like, well,

1150
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 2: if we find out who you are. There's gonna be

1151
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 2: problems because you're if you're a student that you did

1152
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 2: and you're on campus, we can make trouble.

1153
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 3: We're gonna find out who you are. That's different.

1154
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 2: Okay, go after the individual responsible. This is like this

1155
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:17,439
Speaker 2: would be like t Higgins apologizing because Jamar Chase sped

1156
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 2: on Jalen Ramsey. TIGA's had another do with this. You

1157
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 2: can ampathize. I mean, if you haves T Higgins. I

1158
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 2: don't know if he would, but it said, yeah, man,

1159
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 2: I don't know what. I love the guy, but I

1160
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 2: disagree with this. I don't I think that's wrong. You know,

1161
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 2: if you're someone in that sacks you guy, I heard

1162
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 2: him and I told him to shut up, or a

1163
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 2: loved one going yeah, I wouldn't say that either, but

1164
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 2: they did, and there should be some repercussions for that

1165
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 2: if you know who that person is. But we're in

1166
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 2: an age now where everyone has to apologize for another

1167
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 2: big one. And I haven't heard this one for a while,

1168
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,919
Speaker 2: but the apologizing over slavery in twenty twenty five, people

1169
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 2: still do that. We're apologize, apologize to the trosties of slavery.

1170
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 2: I think we all agree slavery is a bad thing,

1171
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 2: you know, and issuing up. It's like me apologizing apologizes.

1172
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 2: I can empathize and go, wow, I look what it

1173
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 2: did to the culture of generations of people, the effect

1174
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 2: it still has today. I can recognize and empathize with

1175
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 2: that that slavery was a horrific thing, probably the darkest

1176
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 2: stain in the history of the United States. We see

1177
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 2: eyed eye on that. Most of us do, anyway, all

1178
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 2: of us do. But for me to sit here and

1179
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 2: go wow, I'm so sorry, I apologize because at one

1180
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 2: time in America, slavery was a thing. It's hollow, is

1181
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 2: what that is. Because I had nothing to do with that. Furthermore,

1182
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 2: my people who immigrated here in the early part of

1183
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 2: the nineteenth twentieth century, rather, we had no hand. It

1184
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 2: was well over by the time that world around. Now,

1185
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 2: are there things that happened that were racist between the

1186
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 2: nineteen hundreds when my people first came here and today, Oh? Absolutely,

1187
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 2: But again, you know, civil rights violation. I had no

1188
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 2: hand in that, Selma, I had no hand in that.

1189
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 2: If I did something myself, I wouldn't have apologized in

1190
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 2: the past, asked for doing that.

1191
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 3: But that's on me. And the idea that now we

1192
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 3: just well.

1193
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 2: I've got UC's got to apologize for the actions of

1194
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a handful or a couple dozen.

1195
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure because the video online it's hard

1196
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 2: to tell how many people are chanting. Was enough in

1197
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 2: that section to notice, wow, that's pretty harsh. But it

1198
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 2: wasn't like it was the whole stadium. It wasn't like

1199
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 2: the UC bearcat chielders are out there, if the Mormons,

1200
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 2: if the Mormons, they're not.

1201
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 3: No one was doing that.

1202
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 2: It was just the maybe the student section or part

1203
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 2: of the student section, I'm not sure. So find out

1204
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 2: who those people are and then you can you can

1205
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 2: kind of dox them and force them to an apology

1206
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 2: or say this is yeah, there's going to be trouble

1207
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 2: for you at school. But the idea of universe at

1208
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 2: the fifty thousand dollars, fine, what what is that?

1209
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 3: What does that prove? It proves that we're anti Mormon

1210
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 3: hate is what it proves.

1211
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:54,479
Speaker 8: God.

1212
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 2: I don't think we need, you know, to do that

1213
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 2: by a fighting someone had no control over it.

1214
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 3: You just simply go.

1215
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 2: I hope we find out those who were chanting that

1216
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 2: and will investigate and we punish those responsible because it

1217
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 2: is reprehensible what they did, and just kind of leave

1218
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 2: it at that same with you saying, it's like, we

1219
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 2: apologize because this is not, you know, Deon Sanders, the

1220
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 2: old this is not indicative of who we are now.

1221
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 2: It is not because it's a small number of people

1222
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 2: were doing this. You apolo as a coach apologizing for

1223
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 2: the student body. It's like, no, that doesn't work that way.

1224
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 2: If one of your players did something stupid, If one

1225
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 2: of your players said that, go, look, I don't know

1226
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 2: what's going through his head, but we will not tolerate

1227
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 2: the behavior. He suspended for the de X games. That's reasonable,

1228
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 2: But a general blanket apology. Yeah, we know most people,

1229
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 2: most all of us have nothing against Mormons or people

1230
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 2: of color or whatever it might be. And if you

1231
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 2: do and you say something in you're caught, then you

1232
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 2: own up to it and you apologize or you don't

1233
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 2: apologize and reap the consequences of that. But we are

1234
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 2: clearly in the over apology age. And it's just one

1235
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 2: of those things that kind of gets me like it's,

1236
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 2: you know why, because it's insincere. It's not because we

1237
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 2: really believe that all of ours this is reflective as

1238
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 2: it's not. It's like you have to say something otherwise

1239
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 2: somehow you're part of the problem.

1240
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 3: No, you're not. That's the other end of this thing.

1241
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 2: Anyway, We've got coming up at eleven oh seven here

1242
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 2: on seven hundred w dot Tom Gamble, I know if

1243
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 2: you heard Yester, the Ohio High School Athletic State Athletic

1244
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 2: Association has proved nil for student athletes high school student athletes,

1245
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 2: and this opens up obviously a Pandora's box of things. Personally,

1246
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 2: I let's go. I'm fine with it because I mean,

1247
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 2: look at the Elder Saint X game. You have broadcast rights,

1248
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 2: you had revenue from ticket sales. I don't know if

1249
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 2: they get a cut of the parking. I'm not quite

1250
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 2: sure how it works, but a lot of money came

1251
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 2: to those schools. A lot of money goes to the

1252
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 2: athletic department. It goes to coaches and people who are

1253
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:52,439
Speaker 2: responsible for coaching these young people. And yet the young

1254
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 2: people who are the spectacle the exhibition don't get anything

1255
01:02:56,680 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 2: for it. You know, that's not how America works. Now,

1256
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 2: Is it going to screw up high school sports to

1257
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 2: a degree?

1258
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 3: It will.

1259
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing with high school sports it's

1260
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 2: going to screw up is, Man, if you thought it

1261
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 2: was bad now with the football, soccer, baseball, lacrosse, basketball, hockey, fishing,

1262
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 2: best fishing, whatever the sport might be, you think the

1263
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 2: parents shown up to those things.

1264
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 3: It's going to get worse because.

1265
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 2: Now there's literally diamonds to be had by by name, egement, likeness.

1266
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 2: Can't imagine most high schools unless you are the biggest

1267
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 2: high school stud in sports in the country and that elite,

1268
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 2: elite air you're you know, you're probably not going to

1269
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 2: get that much. I would suggest too, that those individuals

1270
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 2: who are the best of the best and first round

1271
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 2: draft picks, that they're going to wind up going to

1272
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 2: an academy like IMG or something like that, or a

1273
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 2: school it's a private school because they're going to get

1274
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 2: recruited to play there.

1275
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 3: That's how it works now.

1276
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 2: But I think to the average high school athlete, you're

1277
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 2: going to have those parents that think their kid is

1278
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 2: Division one material when they're not or don't even have

1279
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 2: the ability to make play on a college team because

1280
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 2: they're living that dream and while they've always been good

1281
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 2: when they were eight or nine years old, and of

1282
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 2: course you know why that by the time you start

1283
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 2: to develop and you know, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, and that

1284
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 2: it range. You know, that's when you learn and you

1285
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 2: either can or can't hit a curveball right or block

1286
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 2: or tackle or whatever it is. And parents are because

1287
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 2: the money and time and investment in that child and

1288
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 2: that precious snowflake. We don't want to read the writing

1289
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 2: on the wall. We don't think our kid can't do this.

1290
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 2: We want to think that they're And then of course

1291
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 2: it's a conspiracy as to why your kid is not

1292
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 2: in the first team, why they're not getting offers, et cetera,

1293
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 2: et cetera, that it's us against them and we're better,

1294
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 2: and it's not. It's you know, your kid isn't as

1295
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 2: good as you thought they were. And that's fine. But

1296
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 2: had plenty of parents. I think most parents enjoy it

1297
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 2: along the way and go, hey, you know what it is,

1298
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 2: what it is. They had some great memories, met some

1299
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 2: great friends, life lessons, all that stuff, and you take

1300
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 2: it for what it is. But of course there's at

1301
01:04:57,080 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 2: one percent out there that think a lot differently. It's

1302
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 2: going to be worse and not better. Also too, I

1303
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 2: wonder what happens in the locker rooms where you have

1304
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 2: kids that are balling out and they are recruited and

1305
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 2: you know, wind up getting monetary compensation or whatever it

1306
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 2: might be from local businesses and the other kids on

1307
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 2: the team don't.

1308
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 3: But I guess that's kind of there.

1309
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 2: Ready, when you talk about college scouts and scholarships, you know,

1310
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 2: not everyone on the team is going to get recruited

1311
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 2: by a school. Actually, in most schools, no one's recruited.

1312
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 2: If you think about it, very rarely does a coup

1313
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 2: come along that we're getting you know, two or one

1314
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 2: or three people off this team. It just doesn't happen

1315
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 2: all that much, well alone any school for that matter,

1316
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 2: getting a uscout. But but you know, again, there's plenty

1317
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 2: of schools out there and the like. But I wonder

1318
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 2: if that's going to mess up the chemistry in the

1319
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 2: locker And probably not as much as the crazy moms

1320
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 2: and dads that are going to go, Now, my kid

1321
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 2: is going to be going to they're gonna get They're

1322
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 2: gonna be the next at age five, the next quarterback

1323
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 2: of the Ohio State University. There are people that think that,

1324
01:05:57,720 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 2: and you know, again, I there's just going to be

1325
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 2: more of them because of this. But in the end,

1326
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 2: I think it is a plus because despite all the

1327
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 2: histornics of administrators and like wringing their hands over the

1328
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 2: purity of sports and amateurism is dead. And it's true,

1329
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 2: but wise amateurism dead because we have monetized. We monetize

1330
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 2: everything in this country. If there is a platform to

1331
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 2: make money, we're going to do it.

1332
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 4: You know.

1333
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 2: The one that got me was when my daughter was

1334
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 2: much younger and like third grade, she wanted to cheer

1335
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 2: and wound up doing that, and you know, elementall that'd

1336
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 2: be middle school, I suppose, and it was kind of

1337
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 2: eye opening as to how they monetize it because they'd

1338
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 2: be like cheerleading competitions. Yeah, it used to be the

1339
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 2: cheerleaders go out, you cheer and okay, great, And now

1340
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 2: somehow they've turned cheerleading into a sport. Take that for

1341
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 2: what you will. I guess it's interpretive like dance or

1342
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 2: anything else. But cheerleading was a cheer We're there to

1343
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 2: cheer on the football players. And I mean, I'm sure

1344
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 2: back in the day, certainly back in the day, it

1345
01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 2: was a lot more sexist than it is now it's

1346
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 2: we treat them like athletes and go, well, now we

1347
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 2: have competitions and we have you know, you're going on.

1348
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 2: We had to go like on weekends and sit in

1349
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:07,439
Speaker 2: a gym all for like seven hours watching girls cheer

1350
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 2: and there's you know, and you know, the money involved

1351
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 2: in it, and there's a lot more money than I

1352
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 2: thought to be a cheerleader.

1353
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 3: Let's put it that way.

1354
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 2: But you know, we tell you the point is we

1355
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 2: take everything and go, wow, there's money to be made here.

1356
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 2: You know, all of the people responsible for those quote

1357
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 2: unquote competitions, because once you score, then you can make money.

1358
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 2: If it's just like interpretive, then ah, you're just a cheerleader. Okay,

1359
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 2: let's make money off this thing. And then that you

1360
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 2: know obviously is illustrated here with nil, so it's not

1361
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 2: anything new. And it says, oh my god, that's the

1362
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 2: worst thing ever, Spad. It's been slowly creeping this way

1363
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 2: for a long time. I thought, you know, when you

1364
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 2: start to when you start to monetize and make cheerleading competitive,

1365
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 2: that is pretty damn American, I would say.

1366
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 3: I would say, also saw this.

1367
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 2: There is a guy and I think he's out of Toledo,

1368
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 2: and he was trying to smuggle drugs into prison, which

1369
01:07:58,000 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 2: is a big thing.

1370
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 3: You wonder why you makes get drugs. It's pretty easy.

1371
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 2: Some many will say it's easier to get drugs in

1372
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,959
Speaker 2: prison than it is on the streets. And this guy

1373
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 2: came up with concocting a spray of narcotics, which is,

1374
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 2: you know, once the delivery mechanism evaporates, now the drugs

1375
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 2: are on the pages of paper or whatever it is.

1376
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 2: He smuggled it in at least three items to a prison,

1377
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 2: and he sprayed the pages of a book with narcotics

1378
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 2: and then shipped them to the Grafton Correctional Institute disguised

1379
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 2: as Amazon orders the book that he sprayed the pages

1380
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 2: with narcotics. Jd Vance's Hillbilly elegy. Couple things there, Number one,

1381
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 2: number one, as I'm surprised that right now progressors aren't

1382
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 2: blaming jd Vance somehow his fault. You know, if you

1383
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 2: wouldn't wrote the book with the drugs, wouldn't get in the prison.

1384
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,640
Speaker 2: Some it's jd Vance's fault. The other dayaway is you

1385
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:56,639
Speaker 2: realize what hillbilly eli elogy is about, right, that's about

1386
01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 2: how drugs have ruined neighborhoods in community and here you

1387
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:06,640
Speaker 2: are using that to deliver drugs. Pretty American, af you

1388
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 2: asked me Scott's loan, it's home of the best Bengals.

1389
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 3: Coverage seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati.

1390
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 1: Do you want to be an American?

1391
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:14,639
Speaker 4: Staff?

1392
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 3: Flow show on seven hundred WLWD.

1393
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 2: Ohio State's High School Athletic Association has loud Ohio come

1394
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 2: the forty six states to allow nil for high school

1395
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:28,559
Speaker 2: athletes and Nile of course we name image likeness they

1396
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:30,600
Speaker 2: can sell their brand. There's some rules involved with this

1397
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 2: whole thing, but it really is interesting how what happened

1398
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 2: in college now permeated to high school and on that

1399
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 2: he's the CEO of in Game Sports. They produce a

1400
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 2: red showcase, the Skyline Crosstown Showdown, and of course HEEOC

1401
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 2: Commissioner GCL South featuring that sint Ex Elder game last

1402
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:49,879
Speaker 2: Friday night. That'd be our my buddy in a former colleague,

1403
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,639
Speaker 2: Tom Gamble on the show again on seven hundred WW Tom,

1404
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 2: how are.

1405
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 5: You Swony doing great? Yeah, appreciate the opportunity and you

1406
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 5: know why not, Why shouldn't teenagers and high school athletes?

1407
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 5: But it is very tricky. And it's funny. You brought

1408
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 5: up about how there are only six states that don't

1409
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 5: have that IL. But here's a statistic since two thousand

1410
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 5: and two when the OHSAA member schools, over eight hundred

1411
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:19,800
Speaker 5: of them voted against the NIL. Since then, right back

1412
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:23,639
Speaker 5: then there were nine school nine states they'd had ANIL.

1413
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 5: Now there's forty four. But here, get a load of this.

1414
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:29,479
Speaker 5: Less than one percent, less than one percent of student

1415
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 5: athletes in those forty four states take advantage of it.

1416
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 5: I think it's going to You're gonna find it's gonna

1417
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:37,320
Speaker 5: be much trickier to do it at the high school level.

1418
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 5: Everybody sees what's going on in intercollegiate athletics, specifically in

1419
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 5: football and primarily men's basketball, those two. It needs to

1420
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 5: be a little bit different at the high school level.

1421
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think in Indiana's surprise too, as big as

1422
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 2: basketball is there too, you think they'd be on this thing.

1423
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 3: But it's inevitable.

1424
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 2: I mean, if you look at the trajector this time,

1425
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:56,639
Speaker 2: this is what back in twenty twenty two is when

1426
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 2: we last voted down in Ohio and Jamier Brown comes

1427
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 2: along and changes game.

1428
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 3: He's a if you don't know who that is. Wide receiver.

1429
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:04,800
Speaker 2: He put up as a sophomore one thousand yards and

1430
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 2: fifteen touchdowns up in Dayton. He is committed to be

1431
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 2: a receiver for the Ohio State University. In twenty twenty seven,

1432
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 2: he fought a lawsuit that forces the Ohio Athletic Association

1433
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:19,559
Speaker 2: High School Athletic Association to address this issue.

1434
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 3: So what's changed since they last denied this?

1435
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 5: You're correct? A Franklin County judge issued a temporary restraining

1436
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:32,600
Speaker 5: order allowing Brown through his family, right, and that's the

1437
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 5: key student athlete family. I'll get to that momentarily, but

1438
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 5: allowing him to pursue this currently, well, that expires. Training

1439
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 5: order expires on December fifteenth. So the challenge is in

1440
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 5: the OHSA. Ain't says, hey, we member school, we want

1441
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:51,800
Speaker 5: to legislate this, because if we do not, if we

1442
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 5: don't vote this in, you never know, it could be

1443
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:57,800
Speaker 5: the judge, you never would, the governor at some point

1444
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:00,120
Speaker 5: get involved. We've seen that before, right, So if you

1445
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 5: want to, if you want to maintain control and put

1446
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 5: up some guardrails and do things like that, then I

1447
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 5: think you're gonna see. And I've talked to a number

1448
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 5: of athletic directors in which I am obviously not one

1449
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 5: that I deal with them all the time, and most

1450
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:16,280
Speaker 5: have told me they figure it's better to enact it

1451
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:19,479
Speaker 5: now and then tweak it as you go. You know,

1452
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:22,400
Speaker 5: you got to start somewhere, and to your point, is

1453
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 5: inevitable it is coming at some point. So their thought

1454
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:29,680
Speaker 5: process is, let's get it in there now and then

1455
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 5: let's deal with it now. This is a proposal, and

1456
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,680
Speaker 5: I've read through and I watched the presentation that the

1457
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 5: OHSAA put together, and they've hired a company called Influential

1458
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 5: Athlete and it's interesting. It's a husband and wife. He

1459
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:46,839
Speaker 5: was a former high school athletic director and the wife

1460
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 5: they're they're the gradys, Joe and Stephanie Grady. She was

1461
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:53,719
Speaker 5: a figure skater and spent ten years doing television news.

1462
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 5: She was an anchor. So they've lived the life. And

1463
01:12:57,680 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 5: I think what they what they're trying to do is

1464
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 5: educate the athletic directors and the people from the member

1465
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 5: schools of the OHSAA on how this is done, what's legal,

1466
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 5: what's not. So I think here's the biggest points is

1467
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 5: this it's set up. We're the only onus on the

1468
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 5: school itself is that they have to police their own

1469
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:22,800
Speaker 5: kid should they sign an agreement. It's designed to be

1470
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 5: the student athlete and the family and the OHSAA. So

1471
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 5: if you get an agreement you as a student athlete,

1472
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 5: you have fourteen days to send that agreement to the

1473
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 5: OHSAA for approval. Now, on the surface, you know, it

1474
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 5: seems if everybody, I hate to say what I'm about,

1475
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:46,400
Speaker 5: if everyone follows the rules, this would be great. This

1476
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:48,800
Speaker 5: would be a win win for everybody. The issue is

1477
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:51,680
Speaker 5: going to become not everybody follows the rules.

1478
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 2: Of course you will. You're gonna have people want to

1479
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 2: gain the system. As with anything in life. Tom gambles

1480
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:58,599
Speaker 2: here he is missed high school football in the Tri

1481
01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 2: State and now it's fish shell. The Ohio State High

1482
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 2: School Athletic Assotization has voted for student athletes to profit

1483
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 2: off their name, image and likeness. We just had the

1484
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 2: Sane ex Elder game. The money from ticket sales, concessions, parking,

1485
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 2: all that stuff goes to the member schools. Shouldn't the

1486
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,360
Speaker 2: athletes who brought all those people to twenty thousand people

1487
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 2: to pay courts last week get a cut of the money.

1488
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:21,680
Speaker 5: Well, that's where it got to with college athletics, and

1489
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:24,639
Speaker 5: I'll get to that question moment, Saraily, here's the big

1490
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 5: word I think that needs to be talked about. You

1491
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 5: can have no collective. So what that means is colleges

1492
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 5: and universities in their athletics department. So like I used

1493
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 5: Texas Tech University. Yeah, they had a bunch of you know,

1494
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:42,639
Speaker 5: I'm presuming oil guys who have done well. Say here's

1495
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 5: seven to seven and a half million dollars, go out

1496
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 5: and get a defensive line. Okay, that's the collective. It's

1497
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 5: it's the schools, the boosters. You cannot as part of

1498
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 5: this collective is strictly prohibited. So what that means is

1499
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 5: so it's no different than really re so school A

1500
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 5: where stud player is attending school B can't all of

1501
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 5: a sudden go hey, we can offer you this, you

1502
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:11,559
Speaker 5: just come here, and that is even going to be

1503
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 5: vetted out. Its let's just say because again Tony, you know,

1504
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 5: you know it's going to happen at some point. But

1505
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:20,720
Speaker 5: what's gonna happen is so if you're at if you're

1506
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 5: the athletic director at school A, and suddenly stud athlete

1507
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 5: goes to school B and you don't hear anything about

1508
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 5: any NIL deal. But then after he's there for four

1509
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 5: to six months, here comes this And again I use

1510
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:34,800
Speaker 5: the term massive. I don't know how mad it can

1511
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 5: even be at the high school level, but then that

1512
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 5: school aage he's going to go Wait a minute, and

1513
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:43,479
Speaker 5: on it happens in recruitment, right, I mean, that's supposed

1514
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:46,680
Speaker 5: to be illegal recruiting. It's going to happen at some

1515
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:50,680
Speaker 5: point in time in this NIL personal branding. You know

1516
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 5: all of that, But let's just hope. Let's just hope

1517
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:56,519
Speaker 5: that you know, we all have always said, haven't we

1518
01:15:57,040 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 5: high school sports and amateur sports it's the last as

1519
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:02,680
Speaker 5: you know, or purity that there is.

1520
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:02,880
Speaker 1: Now.

1521
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 5: We're all not that naive, but let's hope that if

1522
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:10,720
Speaker 5: it's structured where the school is out of it. So

1523
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 5: in other words, and this is why I don't think,

1524
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:16,599
Speaker 5: I mean people think there's going to be crazy types

1525
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:19,879
Speaker 5: of money thrown around. I live in northern Kentucky. Kentucky

1526
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 5: has legal NIL. I don't know of one kid that's

1527
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:27,799
Speaker 5: been out there prominently with then IL. Because here's why

1528
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:32,080
Speaker 5: you can't wear in a video or a photograph you

1529
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 5: can't wear your school logo, you can't be with your

1530
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 5: school mascot, you can't be videoed on the sidelines or

1531
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 5: on the court. So it has to be you. It's

1532
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:46,639
Speaker 5: your public recognition that you've achieved because of your athletic fame. Well,

1533
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 5: Sonny do this pick any kid the best football player

1534
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 5: in Cincinnati? Right, He's not in uniform, he has no

1535
01:16:54,640 --> 01:17:00,120
Speaker 5: identification to school, yet he's doing something for a company.

1536
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 5: How many people outside of the school where he plays

1537
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 5: would even.

1538
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:05,840
Speaker 3: Know who that at all? Not at all?

1539
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, when you see the commercial with

1540
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 2: Jamar Chaser, example, Joe Burrow, you know they're wearing it.

1541
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 2: It's pretty clear they're in a Bengals uniform. Or because

1542
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:14,840
Speaker 2: it's good for the league, it's good for the brand.

1543
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:18,200
Speaker 2: I don't understand why the schools wouldn't want to embrace that.

1544
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:19,760
Speaker 2: And the other element of this, too is because that

1545
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:23,680
Speaker 2: makes it less attractive to stay in Ohio. And now

1546
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 2: I were saying there's no collectives here in Ohio, so

1547
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:31,080
Speaker 2: that hamstrings us. I'm gonna are you just gonna get

1548
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:33,639
Speaker 2: recruits like the top picks? And you know, mister football

1549
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 2: for Ohio, mister basketball, they're gonna wind up going to

1550
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 2: some out of state prep school or an IMG academy

1551
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:41,559
Speaker 2: type program because they can monetize it.

1552
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:44,639
Speaker 5: That they're going to do that anyway. I mean that

1553
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:46,680
Speaker 5: that's big time dollars. I mean, you know, there was

1554
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:49,800
Speaker 5: a basketball player from from Newport, Kentucky who went down

1555
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 5: to a prep school in Georgia who is now committed

1556
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 5: to the University of Kansas. I mean, he's that good.

1557
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:58,880
Speaker 5: But you're going to get that anyway. But I think

1558
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:03,640
Speaker 5: if you want to maintain to your original question, you

1559
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:06,519
Speaker 5: know when we started the amateurism piece of this, you've

1560
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 5: got to legislate this, and that's why the HSAA would

1561
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:13,120
Speaker 5: rather govern it. And I think here's the other thing.

1562
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 5: Of the less than one percent in the forty four states,

1563
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:19,720
Speaker 5: the majority of right out and this is a three

1564
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 5: year period. Essentially, the majority are in Olympic sports. Because

1565
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:27,519
Speaker 5: you're not a running back wearing a uniform that nobody

1566
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:30,320
Speaker 5: sees what you look like. You're you know, you're maybe

1567
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 5: a gymnast or a golfer or a tennis player where

1568
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 5: they see you where you're you know, your public recognition

1569
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:41,599
Speaker 5: is just you, if not the team. So I think

1570
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:43,840
Speaker 5: you're going to see a lot of those companies, but

1571
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:45,679
Speaker 5: are they really going to get a ton of money

1572
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 5: or are they going to get golf balls in golf?

1573
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:52,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know quarterbacks versus yeah, golfer But I mean,

1574
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 2: you know it's still there's some local celebrity element to it,

1575
01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 2: no question, Yeah it's and every little bit helps. I mean,

1576
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:01,640
Speaker 2: if you get you know, a lifetime supply of bridge stones.

1577
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:05,640
Speaker 5: Good yeah, Oh no, I don't have any issue with it,

1578
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:08,519
Speaker 5: and I think most of I think the biggest thing

1579
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:12,559
Speaker 5: back in twenty twenty two is it wasn't clarified enough.

1580
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:15,960
Speaker 5: I think the OHSAA has clearly refined this and if

1581
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:19,959
Speaker 5: you look at all the details of their bylaws, right,

1582
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 5: they've put some real time and thought into this.

1583
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:22,720
Speaker 4: I think the.

1584
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 5: Original issue was the schools felt like the owners was

1585
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 5: going to fall fully on them. And believe me, a

1586
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 5: high school athletic director today, you've got be nuts to

1587
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 5: be a high school ad with the way parents are today. Right,

1588
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:38,240
Speaker 5: we'll start with that, but today, can you imagine if

1589
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 5: you had to govern all this Not that you have

1590
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:42,880
Speaker 5: nothing to do here, because you're gonna have to pay

1591
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 5: attention if your athlete signs an agreement, but by having

1592
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:50,000
Speaker 5: no collective and by making it the onus of the

1593
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 5: family and the student athlete and the OHSAA. Hopefully high

1594
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 5: schools won't get overburdened with this because God knows, they

1595
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 5: don't have the staff. I mean, high school ads will flee,

1596
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:03,759
Speaker 5: they will run.

1597
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:06,360
Speaker 2: Probably walk to the I would think so because you know,

1598
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:08,840
Speaker 2: there's that the one percent reality in a less than

1599
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 2: one percent of kids are going to go on to

1600
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:13,679
Speaker 2: a collegiate or pro career. Yet forty percent of parents

1601
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 2: think that that's the case, and that you know that's true,

1602
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:19,560
Speaker 2: But that also adds an interesting mix to team chemistry,

1603
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:23,000
Speaker 2: entitlement issues, and the parent pressure as well. Man, what's

1604
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:25,240
Speaker 2: happening in the locker rooms is the question? You know,

1605
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 2: if if you know the quarterback or I don't know alignment,

1606
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:30,880
Speaker 2: someone is getting paid and making some money off this.

1607
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 2: Is there a jealousy component and other high jealous high

1608
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 2: school kids undermining them and thinking it should be them.

1609
01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 2: And what happens in that locker.

1610
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:41,679
Speaker 5: Room, Well, I think it goes to the kid who

1611
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 5: maybe is a D three player whose parents are delusional

1612
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 5: that he's going to play in Alabama or Georgia. So

1613
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 5: now you're going to have to think about it. So

1614
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 5: the illness is on the family and the kid. Well,

1615
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 5: how many moms and dads are going to because I know,

1616
01:20:56,400 --> 01:21:00,600
Speaker 5: I've known of circumstances where moms run X accounts for

1617
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:02,680
Speaker 5: the kid. The kid doesn't want anything to do with it.

1618
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:05,800
Speaker 5: That's how crazy this is. So now we're going to

1619
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 5: have parents out there seeking these type of financial opportunities.

1620
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:12,639
Speaker 5: And again I'm not blaming anybody for trying to better

1621
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 5: themselves financially, but do you really want that? How many

1622
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 5: kids won't even know that their mom or dad is

1623
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:21,760
Speaker 5: out there trying to get these deals. It's like the

1624
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:26,320
Speaker 5: old Hey, you know, my son should be starting over yours. Well,

1625
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 5: if you want to talk to me, we're going to

1626
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:30,360
Speaker 5: bring in the kid who yours. And most of the

1627
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:32,679
Speaker 5: time when they have those meetings coaches, the kids don't

1628
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 5: even know what's going on. That's how crazy this has

1629
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 5: gotten over the years.

1630
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you're going to see you know, toddlers in

1631
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:40,720
Speaker 2: the weight room now pretty soon because he's deathlined, right,

1632
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:42,040
Speaker 2: I mean, that's where it's going to be. Gonna be

1633
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:43,639
Speaker 2: recruited out of kindergarten at some point.

1634
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:47,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's cot well and that's and you bring

1635
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 5: up recruited. I think that's the challenge of this. You know,

1636
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 5: there already are enough issues with recruitment, and now you

1637
01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:59,919
Speaker 5: add this. I think that's where the high school administ

1638
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:02,640
Speaker 5: traiders have the biggest issue. Look at corning up to

1639
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:06,719
Speaker 5: govern recruiting. Now you're going to add this name, image,

1640
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:11,719
Speaker 5: lightness component with financial wherewithal to it? Can you imagine?

1641
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,679
Speaker 5: You know, Sorry, the good news is the elder saying

1642
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Speaker 5: next game Friday night at pay Corps. That's where it's fun.

1643
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Speaker 2: Well, it wasn't fun for Brian Colmbs and his band

1644
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:28,120
Speaker 2: of elder graduates, but nonetheless it was a rollicking game anyway.

1645
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:30,200
Speaker 2: And you know, the weather could have been a little better,

1646
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 2: but it was as bad as we thought at the

1647
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 2: end of the day. You're right, though, it is about

1648
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:35,120
Speaker 2: these student athletes just having a good time. Most those

1649
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:37,160
Speaker 2: kids will never sniff college loll in the NFL, but

1650
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:39,920
Speaker 2: that is something they'll carry. That memory of playing at

1651
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:42,640
Speaker 2: pay Corps, home of the Bengals, their hometown team in

1652
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:45,479
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Speaker 2: of the GCL South just highlighted at pay Corps a

1656
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Speaker 2: week ago Friday. Fantastic buddy, thanks again for the time.

1657
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,920
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Speaker 5: Good morning, Good morning Scott.

1664
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Speaker 6: How are you today?

1665
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:24,639
Speaker 3: I'm doing well, I'm doing Are you ready for thanks? Kidding?

1666
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:25,639
Speaker 5: Uh?

1667
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:26,880
Speaker 3: Not quite what you mean?

1668
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:27,559
Speaker 5: The hell?

1669
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:29,680
Speaker 3: Can he not be? Just show up and eat? For

1670
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Speaker 3: God's sakes, it's not hard.

1671
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Speaker 11: Well, we we're in charge of making some food. We're

1672
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:35,760
Speaker 11: gonna make some green bean cast role and you know,

1673
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Speaker 11: put together.

1674
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Speaker 3: We're done. Sucks. What are you doing?

1675
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Speaker 2: I think it's good, the frozen green beans and the

1676
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Speaker 2: Campbell soup, the whole thing. Oh you're an idiot. We

1677
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:59,000
Speaker 2: can't gid Where's Amy Wagner? Off to a rough start? Okay, yeah,

1678
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Speaker 2: all right, Well let's be a world's shortest segment Uh no,

1679
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Speaker 2: well that's good. You enjoy what you enjoy. I get it.

1680
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Speaker 2: That's fantastic. So you don't all the cook and how

1681
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Speaker 2: many people.

1682
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Speaker 11: We have a big family here in Cincinnati, so we

1683
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Speaker 11: actually have two thanksgivings, one of my my folks side

1684
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Speaker 11: and one of my wife's family sides.

1685
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Speaker 2: So that's an all day event. Oh wow, okay, so

1686
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Speaker 2: lots of people. Yeah, we're just doing six this year.

1687
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Speaker 2: So I got it pretty easy. So not not bad,

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1704
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:05,200
Speaker 2: New York City Escape and back in. This would have

1705
01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:07,800
Speaker 2: been nineteen ninety two. When this movie came out, The

1706
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 2: suite at the Plaza Hotel, New York was eleven hundred dollars.

1707
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:14,160
Speaker 2: Room service would have been nine hundred and sixty seven dollars.

1708
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 2: The ice cream Sunday feature of the movie with an

1709
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 2: eighteen dollars and so the total cost would be two thousand.

1710
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 3: One hundred and nine dollars.

1711
01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:24,200
Speaker 2: That's thousand dollars sweet today six two hundred and forty

1712
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:26,679
Speaker 2: four dollars, a four hundred and sixty eight percent increase.

1713
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:29,720
Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety two, the room service feast would be

1714
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:32,439
Speaker 2: twenty two hundred dollars, a one hundred and thirty one increase.

1715
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:35,720
Speaker 2: Ice Cream Sunday went from eighteen to twenty four, a

1716
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 2: moderate thirty three percent increase. Total costs two thousand and

1717
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:41,720
Speaker 2: one oh nine in nineteen ninety two, twenty twenty five

1718
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:44,799
Speaker 2: eight five hundred eleven dollars.

1719
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:47,280
Speaker 11: Well, I mean that was over thirty years ago. But

1720
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:50,200
Speaker 11: that does seem pretty a pretty hefty increase, you know.

1721
01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:52,519
Speaker 11: But we're seeing, you know, a lot of increases in

1722
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:54,960
Speaker 11: housing over the years. You know, we're seeing a lot

1723
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:57,879
Speaker 11: of inflation. You know, we started to get some inflation

1724
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:00,360
Speaker 11: data out this morning, and so you know, we have

1725
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 11: seen periods of time, particularly during COVID, where inflation has

1726
01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:06,920
Speaker 11: been you know, significantly hot. And I think, you know,

1727
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 11: when we talk about inflation coming down, I think what

1728
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:11,120
Speaker 11: people don't realize it's it's not like we're going to

1729
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:14,000
Speaker 11: go back to the prices that we had before, or

1730
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 11: even prices become less expensive, they're going to rise at

1731
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:20,920
Speaker 11: a slower pace. So you know, when we have inflation,

1732
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:22,640
Speaker 11: we're not going to go back to those prices that

1733
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:24,800
Speaker 11: we've had before, even if it starts to slow a

1734
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:28,960
Speaker 11: little bit. So while that's surprising, you know, I think

1735
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:31,559
Speaker 11: that it probably falls in lines with our average annual

1736
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:32,559
Speaker 11: inflation data.

1737
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:34,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think too, especially the one that temist

1738
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:36,840
Speaker 2: out paid, would be the cost of a hotel in

1739
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 2: midtown Manhattan, a four hundred and sixty eight percent increase

1740
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:42,920
Speaker 2: in thirty years, whereas the ice cream Sunday thirty three percent.

1741
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:45,240
Speaker 2: That seems about right before sixty eight, but it goes

1742
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 2: to show you the housing crisis that we have in

1743
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:48,559
Speaker 2: the trickles down to hotel rooms too.

1744
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:49,240
Speaker 6: Yep.

1745
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:52,000
Speaker 11: And we have seen lower mortgage rates that helped October

1746
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 11: existing home sales rised, you know, just about one point

1747
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:58,479
Speaker 11: two percent. You know, we're kind of seeing an annualized

1748
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 11: activity that's kind of near a multi decade low of

1749
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:03,200
Speaker 11: about four point one million. And so I think the

1750
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 11: takeaway is that, you know, mortgage rates are kind of

1751
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:08,719
Speaker 11: helping out the margins, but they're not creating a wave

1752
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:11,599
Speaker 11: of fresh demand. And so, you know what, we we

1753
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:14,120
Speaker 11: estimate in order from mortgage rates to drop from the

1754
01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:17,240
Speaker 11: current six point three percent as far as inflation, we

1755
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:19,680
Speaker 11: need to see you know, interest rates somewhere around the

1756
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:23,080
Speaker 11: mid five percent range before we see a shift in demand.

1757
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:25,320
Speaker 11: And so we're just not quite there yet. However, I

1758
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:27,360
Speaker 11: do think we'll start to see interest rate cuts as

1759
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:30,000
Speaker 11: we move into uh, you know, maybe even December and

1760
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:31,160
Speaker 11: into twenty twenty six.

1761
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:33,160
Speaker 2: All right, lest hotel So it's more ice cream, That's

1762
01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:34,880
Speaker 2: what I say. Really, that's what's wrong with that.

1763
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:35,800
Speaker 6: Sound's good to me.

1764
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:38,719
Speaker 2: Enough whip cream? You could crawl inside like an igloo,

1765
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:43,479
Speaker 2: maybe say. But you know, I think, and not to

1766
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:47,599
Speaker 2: belabor this, but you know, food, football and family. Number

1767
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:49,680
Speaker 2: two on that list the football as you're watching on

1768
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:53,120
Speaker 2: I don't know, forty to fifty sixty intra bigger TV.

1769
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 3: That's relatively cheap.

1770
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:57,200
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, talk about cost of inflation, but yeah,

1771
01:27:57,240 --> 01:27:59,000
Speaker 2: you know you can buy a one hundred inch TV

1772
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 2: for like sixteen hun dollars now that ten twenty years

1773
01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:04,479
Speaker 2: ago it would have cost you tens of thousands of

1774
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:07,719
Speaker 2: So interesting enough, some things are much cheaper today, certainly

1775
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:11,360
Speaker 2: not the essentials like housing and food, but electronics. It's

1776
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:15,080
Speaker 2: an interesting example of saturating the market with more product

1777
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:16,479
Speaker 2: than it causes prices to drop.

1778
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:18,559
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think technology has a lot to do

1779
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:19,040
Speaker 6: with that too.

1780
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:21,880
Speaker 11: When we built our house a few years ago, I

1781
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:25,240
Speaker 11: haven't bought a TV in probably twelve years, and my

1782
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:26,760
Speaker 11: wife said, well, we're going to need a TV for

1783
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:28,639
Speaker 11: this room. We're going to need a TV for that room.

1784
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:30,639
Speaker 11: And it started adding up. I said, you know, we're

1785
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:32,160
Speaker 11: not going to be able to afford all these TVs.

1786
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:33,760
Speaker 11: And then we go to Best Buy. There are a

1787
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:37,080
Speaker 11: couple hundred bucks and I couldn't believe the difference in

1788
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:39,639
Speaker 11: the cost from you know, back in the nineties when

1789
01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:42,120
Speaker 11: they weighed three thousand pounds and they were these big

1790
01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:44,880
Speaker 11: blocks and everything else. So in some areas, you know,

1791
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 11: like the calculator, when that first came out, it was

1792
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:49,640
Speaker 11: super expensive, and now you can get one for fifty cents. So,

1793
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:52,320
Speaker 11: you know, I think that you know, technology has a

1794
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 11: lot to do with it, and there's you know, some

1795
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 11: advancement where it makes them building these types of technological

1796
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:01,760
Speaker 11: products a lot cheaper, and you know, the consumer gets

1797
01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:02,400
Speaker 11: the benefit from that.

1798
01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:03,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, no quote.

1799
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 2: It's funny because the house that we bought is twenty

1800
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:07,200
Speaker 2: something years old and in the basement they had a

1801
01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:11,200
Speaker 2: built a theater room. But yeah, but it's like it's

1802
01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:15,800
Speaker 2: maybe like fifteen by ten and it's as like my

1803
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:18,760
Speaker 2: kids came over, like what is this big hole? It's like,

1804
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:22,960
Speaker 2: you know, probably a I don't know, a four foot

1805
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:25,960
Speaker 2: by three foot just big space. I'm like, well, that's

1806
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 2: where the TV would go. Well, why don't you just

1807
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:29,800
Speaker 2: hang it on the wall? I said, no, it's like

1808
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 2: TV's then we're thousands of dollars and the biggest one

1809
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:34,920
Speaker 2: you get is maybe you know, you're you're pimp, and

1810
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:37,640
Speaker 2: if you had a fifty inch TV, but the thing

1811
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:39,800
Speaker 2: weighed four thousand pounds in the back of it was

1812
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:42,560
Speaker 2: much bigger. Right now, you just hang them on the walls.

1813
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:44,360
Speaker 2: It's pretty cool to see that. It's kind of quaint.

1814
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:46,439
Speaker 2: So that's now where the home gym that we never

1815
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:51,840
Speaker 2: use will be. Anyway, that's where the treadmill goes. Let's

1816
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:54,479
Speaker 2: talk about the data return. Six weeks of silence. Economic

1817
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:56,920
Speaker 2: updates are back because the government's back and we're getting

1818
01:29:56,920 --> 01:29:59,439
Speaker 2: trickles of data in there. You mentioned the mortgage mortgage

1819
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:01,280
Speaker 2: rates in there, but the jobs report came out too,

1820
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:02,200
Speaker 2: from September.

1821
01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:03,919
Speaker 3: Would that indicate Yeah.

1822
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:07,200
Speaker 11: So employers added better than expected one hundred and nineteen

1823
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:09,760
Speaker 11: thousand new jobs. But with anything with this data, you

1824
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:12,240
Speaker 11: have to look under the hood and try to understand

1825
01:30:12,240 --> 01:30:14,439
Speaker 11: what really what it really means. And so that sounded

1826
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:17,920
Speaker 11: good on the surface. However, we had revisions from the

1827
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:22,040
Speaker 11: earlier months that showed lower by thirty three thousand. The

1828
01:30:22,160 --> 01:30:25,120
Speaker 11: unemployment rate rose from four point three percent to four

1829
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:27,960
Speaker 11: point four so that doesn't seem too bad, but it

1830
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:30,599
Speaker 11: is an increase, but that was largely due to more

1831
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:33,760
Speaker 11: people entering the labor force, So the labor participation rate

1832
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:37,120
Speaker 11: increased and that's a positive, you know. And besides that,

1833
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:39,719
Speaker 11: you know, we're starting to see some more data trickle

1834
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:41,240
Speaker 11: out that I think is going to be important for

1835
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:42,559
Speaker 11: the FED decision in December.

1836
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:46,040
Speaker 3: Okay, very good. Jabos claims too were in there as well.

1837
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 11: Yeah, job as claims. You know, I think the layoffs

1838
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:51,679
Speaker 11: have been subdued. We you know, it feels like there's

1839
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:53,600
Speaker 11: a lot of people that are getting laid off, a

1840
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:56,320
Speaker 11: lot of companies you know, you know, cutting back on

1841
01:30:56,360 --> 01:30:59,400
Speaker 11: their labor force. But the initial claims hovered around two

1842
01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:02,600
Speaker 11: point I'm sorry, two hundred and twenty thousand. Over the

1843
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 11: past two months, you know, we're the continuing claims remain

1844
01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 11: around multi year highs, just under two million. So I think,

1845
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:12,240
Speaker 11: you know, the the aggregate of these job numbers really

1846
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:16,040
Speaker 11: and reinforce our view that you know, I would characterize

1847
01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:19,439
Speaker 11: this environment as low hiring, low firing. If you have

1848
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:21,160
Speaker 11: a job, you're probably going to be able to keep it,

1849
01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 11: but if you don't, it becomes more difficult to find it.

1850
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:25,280
Speaker 2: Okay, it makes sense to what what data are we

1851
01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:28,240
Speaker 2: missing here? I guess it's because it's an incomplete picture.

1852
01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:31,439
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think it's all kind of hovering around what

1853
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:33,360
Speaker 11: the inflation data is going to is going to read.

1854
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:33,639
Speaker 6: Now.

1855
01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:37,720
Speaker 11: You know, just this morning we received the inflation data

1856
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:39,760
Speaker 11: data for PPI and you know a lot of people

1857
01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:41,880
Speaker 11: hear all these acronyms, you like, what does that mean?

1858
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:45,200
Speaker 11: What's the producer price index? The producer price index is

1859
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:48,080
Speaker 11: a measurement of what wholesaler's costs are. So if you

1860
01:31:48,120 --> 01:31:51,439
Speaker 11: have an organization that is buying supplies or services from

1861
01:31:51,439 --> 01:31:54,759
Speaker 11: another organization, what does that inflation tell us? And usually

1862
01:31:54,760 --> 01:31:57,640
Speaker 11: that's predictive of what the CPI is, and that's the

1863
01:31:57,680 --> 01:32:00,519
Speaker 11: consumer price index, and that's what you and I go

1864
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:02,519
Speaker 11: to the store and what the inflation data is there.

1865
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:04,439
Speaker 11: And so what we saw this morning at eight thirty

1866
01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:07,080
Speaker 11: was that the producer price Index came in a little

1867
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:09,519
Speaker 11: bit cooler. It was only up point two percent versus

1868
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:14,200
Speaker 11: point three two point seven percent annualized, which is pretty good.

1869
01:32:14,360 --> 01:32:17,080
Speaker 11: And so that tells us that this might give the

1870
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:19,879
Speaker 11: Fed an opportunity to go ahead and cut rates in December,

1871
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:22,479
Speaker 11: because this data is becoming a little bit more clear

1872
01:32:22,520 --> 01:32:25,040
Speaker 11: on inflation to be able to attack the labor market

1873
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:27,360
Speaker 11: a little bit more so inflation is continuing to cool

1874
01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:29,720
Speaker 11: and we're going to continue to get more data the

1875
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:30,360
Speaker 11: rest of this week.

1876
01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:32,600
Speaker 2: Okay, so this all factors and what the FED is

1877
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:33,960
Speaker 2: going to do next month.

1878
01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:34,839
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1879
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:36,360
Speaker 11: So you know, if you would have asked me a

1880
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:38,519
Speaker 11: week ago, I would say, hey, you know, probably we're

1881
01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:41,439
Speaker 11: not going to get a cut in December. But as

1882
01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:43,640
Speaker 11: you see some of this data trickle out from the

1883
01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:47,040
Speaker 11: past months, it kind of reinforces the fact that we

1884
01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:49,559
Speaker 11: are seeing inflation start to cool down a little bit

1885
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:51,720
Speaker 11: in a number of areas. The other thing is is

1886
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:53,760
Speaker 11: that we didn't believe that we were going to get

1887
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:56,879
Speaker 11: the CPI report, which again is the consumer Price Index,

1888
01:32:57,400 --> 01:33:02,120
Speaker 11: until after the FED meeting, which is early. However, the

1889
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:04,040
Speaker 11: government recently came out and said we're going to be

1890
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:06,519
Speaker 11: able to get that report a week prior to the

1891
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:08,719
Speaker 11: meeting in December, and so that will have an impact

1892
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:11,320
Speaker 11: on the decision as well. So it does seem like,

1893
01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:13,360
Speaker 11: you know, this data is not only coming out, but

1894
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:15,400
Speaker 11: coming out a little bit sooner than we expected, and

1895
01:33:15,439 --> 01:33:18,439
Speaker 11: that's going to be good for market security because generally

1896
01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:21,760
Speaker 11: investors don't like uncertainty, and we're starting to get a

1897
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:23,760
Speaker 11: little bit more clear data from the FED.

1898
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:26,240
Speaker 2: Okay, makes sense, Andy Schaffer, all Worth Financial. It's your

1899
01:33:26,240 --> 01:33:28,519
Speaker 2: weekly money tune up in a kind of a weird

1900
01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:31,439
Speaker 2: week here obviously with the holidays too, and so that's

1901
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:33,519
Speaker 2: that is going to impact what we're talking about with

1902
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:34,240
Speaker 2: the week I had here.

1903
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:35,559
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah.

1904
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:38,120
Speaker 11: And so you know the December the Central Bank rate

1905
01:33:38,200 --> 01:33:41,120
Speaker 11: decision is is December tenth, and so you know, we're

1906
01:33:41,160 --> 01:33:43,919
Speaker 11: not going to get some data like the November payroll

1907
01:33:43,960 --> 01:33:46,400
Speaker 11: and those types of things until after the FED meet.

1908
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:49,519
Speaker 11: But you know, the policymakers have to determine, you know,

1909
01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:51,680
Speaker 11: what data do they have, Does it tell enough of

1910
01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:53,840
Speaker 11: the story, does it give them confidence to go ahead

1911
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:55,960
Speaker 11: and cut rates? And what we're seeing on the inner

1912
01:33:56,040 --> 01:33:58,599
Speaker 11: circles of the FED. So you have basically twelve decision

1913
01:33:58,640 --> 01:34:00,679
Speaker 11: makers on the FED. You have seven from the Border

1914
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:03,280
Speaker 11: government Bord of Governors, and then you have five that

1915
01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:06,360
Speaker 11: are actually the FED regional presidents and they're the ones

1916
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:08,639
Speaker 11: that make the decisions. And you have two camps there.

1917
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Speaker 11: You have one camp that's very hawkish, and what that

1918
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Speaker 11: means is that they want to make sure that inflation

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Speaker 11: comes down significantly. They don't want to switch gears until

1920
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Speaker 11: they're comfortable with inflation, and then you have the Dovi

1921
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Speaker 11: sect and they're the ones that say, hey, we're starting

1922
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Speaker 11: to see this inflation data start to cool down. The

1923
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Speaker 11: tariffs really haven't had that much of an impact. Not

1924
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Speaker 11: only do we think that we should have a quarter

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Speaker 11: percent cut in December, but maybe even a half a

1926
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Speaker 11: percent cut. And I think that as we move into

1927
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Speaker 11: twenty twenty six. You know, my opinion right now is

1928
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Speaker 11: it is likely that we see I say it's better

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Speaker 11: than half, more than half likely that we do see

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Speaker 11: a cut in December, and maybe we see another three

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Speaker 11: cuts moving into twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that would certainly punch the economy up out of building.

1933
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Speaker 11: In absolutely, you know, generally speaking, you know, investors say, okay,

1934
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Speaker 11: if rates are being cut, that obviously increases demand because

1935
01:34:57,479 --> 01:34:59,519
Speaker 11: the cost of borrowing becomes a lot cheaper. That's also

1936
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Speaker 11: a special important for businesses because now their cost of

1937
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Speaker 11: borrowing and their debt becomes more serviceable, which allows them

1938
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:08,200
Speaker 11: to go out and hire more because they have an

1939
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Speaker 11: influx of cash that they didn't have to pay towards

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Speaker 11: their debt in the beginning. So all of that modes

1941
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Speaker 11: well from an economic standpoint. But it is a delicate

1942
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Speaker 11: dance to make sure that inflation doesn't flare up once

1943
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Speaker 11: again and we have to shift gears and reverse course

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Speaker 11: by increasing rates.

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Speaker 2: That would be It's an interesting and fine line here

1946
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Speaker 2: because you know, you look at consumer the numbers look

1947
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:29,639
Speaker 2: really good on must of but people are like, hey, listen,

1948
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Speaker 2: I'm paying more for everything from beef to grocers and

1949
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Speaker 2: lectures on energy, mortgage of Brant, all that stuff that's

1950
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Speaker 2: going up, up, up and up. And yet we're going

1951
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Speaker 2: to have a record travel season coming up, and we're

1952
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:41,200
Speaker 2: also going to have huge numbers of people buying stuff.

1953
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Speaker 2: Are already seeing the numbers coming out early for the

1954
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Speaker 2: Christmas holiday and people are still buying stuff. Yeah, but

1955
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Speaker 2: the underlying thing is credit card debt's not at all

1956
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Speaker 2: time high.

1957
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Speaker 3: Something's got to give there, doesn't it.

1958
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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 11: So we actually did get a little bit of retail

1960
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Speaker 11: data this morning as far as consumer spending.

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Speaker 6: That did tick down.

1962
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Speaker 11: It wes oh, it did okay, yep, yep, just at

1963
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Speaker 11: eight thirty this morning, it did tick down to yo

1964
01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:03,880
Speaker 11: point one percent. The expectation was that it was going

1965
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:06,360
Speaker 11: to increase yo point four and so I think that

1966
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:08,160
Speaker 11: has a lot to do with the fact that the

1967
01:36:08,280 --> 01:36:11,920
Speaker 11: rush and the surge of buying going into the school season,

1968
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Speaker 11: where we usually see some seasonal activity, there is starting

1969
01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:16,120
Speaker 11: to cool.

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Speaker 6: A little bit.

1971
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Speaker 11: That again also gives the FED a little bit more

1972
01:36:19,880 --> 01:36:22,280
Speaker 11: leeway to cut rates, because if you start seeing spending

1973
01:36:22,360 --> 01:36:24,920
Speaker 11: start to decline, that allows the FED to shift gears

1974
01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:27,559
Speaker 11: more towards you know, obviously, if spending is declining, then

1975
01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:29,679
Speaker 11: inflation would likely come down, so they can shift gears

1976
01:36:29,720 --> 01:36:32,480
Speaker 11: back towards the labor market. That also increases the probability

1977
01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:35,120
Speaker 11: of a rate cut December. Now, as we move into

1978
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Speaker 11: the holiday season, it's likely that we will see some

1979
01:36:37,640 --> 01:36:41,040
Speaker 11: more seasonal spending leading up through Thanksgiving and we get

1980
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Speaker 11: a little bit of a Santa Claus bump, you know,

1981
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:44,559
Speaker 11: towards the end of the year, and that's usually how

1982
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:47,640
Speaker 11: that goes. But I think all of this data that

1983
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:50,080
Speaker 11: suggests cooling, not only in the labor market but also

1984
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Speaker 11: in retail spending, lends the FED a little bit more

1985
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:55,400
Speaker 11: leeway to go ahead and cut rates next month.

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Speaker 2: Okay, in the past weeks is the last talk. The

1987
01:36:57,479 --> 01:37:02,280
Speaker 2: last penny was produced be hoarding wheelbarrows from a pennies

1988
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Speaker 2: and holding them for the next generation, saying this is

1989
01:37:04,439 --> 01:37:06,439
Speaker 2: gonna be worse. It's a penny, but it's gonna be

1990
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Speaker 2: worth a lot in the future because they don't make

1991
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Speaker 2: them anymore.

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Speaker 11: Well, there's a lot of people that collect coins. I

1993
01:37:10,840 --> 01:37:14,759
Speaker 11: can't stand pennies. I think they smell dumb. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1994
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Speaker 11: And I think it makes sense. I mean, I can't

1995
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Speaker 11: remember the last time I actually pulled out some change

1996
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Speaker 11: and used a penny to get you know, the right

1997
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Speaker 11: amount of the right amount on the price. But what

1998
01:37:23,439 --> 01:37:25,040
Speaker 11: we're seeing is that there's a lot of people out

1999
01:37:25,080 --> 01:37:27,840
Speaker 11: there that do collect coins. My mom has a coin collection.

2000
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Speaker 11: She used to collect all of the quarters that were

2001
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:32,840
Speaker 11: minted in all of different states and things like that,

2002
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:34,680
Speaker 11: and has these in this neat book. So there's a

2003
01:37:34,720 --> 01:37:37,639
Speaker 11: lot of people out where that is a hobby of theirs.

2004
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:40,280
Speaker 11: And so when you look at pennies in general, I

2005
01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:43,240
Speaker 11: think for the average penny, you're probably not looking at

2006
01:37:43,439 --> 01:37:46,920
Speaker 11: a whole lot of increase in price because there's still

2007
01:37:47,920 --> 01:37:49,439
Speaker 11: you know, there's still a lot out there. There's a

2008
01:37:49,479 --> 01:37:51,320
Speaker 11: big supply of them. I think when you start to

2009
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:53,880
Speaker 11: get in the ones like the weak penny or some

2010
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Speaker 11: of the last minted there could be you know a

2011
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Speaker 11: little bit of a demand there and you could see

2012
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Speaker 11: an increase in price. But if you enjoy coin left

2013
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Speaker 11: and go for it. Yeah, but your average every day

2014
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Speaker 11: nineteen eighty seven penny that's dirty that you pick up

2015
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Speaker 11: off the ground, that's not going to be worth anything.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got you, andy, who's really going to suffer

2017
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Speaker 2: from this? And the people who make those give a penny,

2018
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Speaker 2: take a penny jars that sit at convenience stores and

2019
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Speaker 2: stores where it's like, oh, it's in, it's got somebody's

2020
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Speaker 2: logo on. It's like, yeah, you need a penny, Take

2021
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Speaker 2: a penny. What's going to happen to that sector?

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Speaker 11: Well, that jar is now going to become nickel quarters

2023
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Speaker 11: and dimes.

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Speaker 3: Well, then you got to make new I guess you

2025
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Speaker 3: sell new new product there.

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Speaker 6: That's you just create a new label and that there

2027
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Speaker 6: give you give me all your silver.

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Speaker 11: And I think that's you know, we talked about inflation,

2029
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Speaker 11: and that's that's really a good example of inflation. You know,

2030
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Speaker 11: the penny doesn't matter anymore. You know, the quarter is

2031
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:41,920
Speaker 11: the new penny at this point?

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Speaker 3: Are that what was the nickel?

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Speaker 6: Give me the nextico then probably, I mean at some point.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, you know you might see you might

2035
01:38:48,800 --> 01:38:50,519
Speaker 11: see that in the next twenty to fifty years.

2036
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Speaker 2: Certainly wait till you travel, you know, you go abroad

2037
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Speaker 2: or something like that. Some of the coinage in foreign

2038
01:38:54,920 --> 01:38:57,160
Speaker 2: countries are like manhole covers you're carrying.

2039
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Speaker 3: Around Lord Heart.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there are some big.

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Speaker 2: Disc am I pot. I'm like, I'm good. Can I

2042
01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:04,640
Speaker 2: just use my credit card on this purchase here? And

2043
01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:07,240
Speaker 2: we're using that more now than ever because of because

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2045
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2048
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Speaker 2: Financial tune up. Have a great Thanksgiving and I hope

2049
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:25,599
Speaker 2: you choke on your green bean casserole. All right, Scott

2050
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Speaker 2: got awful. I cannot believe we're friends. This is a

2051
01:39:29,160 --> 01:39:32,519
Speaker 2: this is stupid as what this is. He knows his money,

2052
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:34,479
Speaker 2: but when it comes to cuisine he has no taste.

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Speaker 2: Andy Shaeffer at all Worth, thanks again. Willie's on the

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2056
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Speaker 2: you hope you enjoy great Thanksgiving. Me safe, travel safely

2057
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