WEBVTT - 2-18-26 Sloan with Alex Shaffer

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be in a mefican got flowed

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<v Speaker 1>on seven hundred WLW so this week, and you're probably

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<v Speaker 1>gonna spend a lot more time in front of the

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<v Speaker 1>devices than you do during the week, right just because

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<v Speaker 1>you're not working hopefully and you yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>On average, you have around twenty one devices which are

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<v Speaker 2>online in various places throughout the day, all of them

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<v Speaker 2>using data pretty much all the time. And with the

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<v Speaker 2>AI boom comes the need for more data centers. Thus

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<v Speaker 2>the debate. So here in the Tri State, the debate

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<v Speaker 2>over regulations being fought tooth and nail. And if you

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<v Speaker 2>don't think this affects you, it's probably coming to your area,

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<v Speaker 2>no matter if you live in the city or in

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<v Speaker 2>the outlining area especial rural areas Ohio. Right now we're

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<v Speaker 2>fifth nationally for data center development. We want to be

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<v Speaker 2>number one. The state BESUS is an economic machine force

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<v Speaker 2>to get us on the technology well at the top

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<v Speaker 2>of the technology map. I guess City of Cincinnati's you

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<v Speaker 2>may or may not know, it's getting very proactive. They

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<v Speaker 2>just put a temporary moratorium on data centers in the

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<v Speaker 2>city while they do a zoning study. Adams County there

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<v Speaker 2>was another meeting over well, we really don't know. This

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<v Speaker 2>is probably the most interesting battle over data centers is

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<v Speaker 2>that adding the controversy over these plants comes a plan

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<v Speaker 2>here in Adams County that's completely secret because Economic Development

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<v Speaker 2>Director signed a non disclosure dree agreement, and nobody really

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<v Speaker 2>knows what it's going to be, where it's going to go,

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<v Speaker 2>and what it's going to do. Other than that, everything's great.

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<v Speaker 2>Alex Schaeffer's here. Alex is a resident and he's proactive

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<v Speaker 2>in the process of finding out if this is right

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<v Speaker 2>for his community, and he's out in Adams County and

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<v Speaker 2>the Monroe Township and joins the show this morning. Basically,

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<v Speaker 2>the bottom line is you're not going to do a

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<v Speaker 2>more toim like City Cincinnati has, but you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>make sure there's some strict zoning regulations in place. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's progressing, it's moving forward.

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<v Speaker 3>It's progressing, it's moving forward. There's a lot of community input.

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<v Speaker 3>The role of the trustees now within the township is

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<v Speaker 3>they are going to work with outside legal counsel to

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<v Speaker 3>put in the framework for zoning, you know, within these

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<v Speaker 3>industrial areas within the township. Because everybody was on the

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<v Speaker 3>same page where we have to get more information. We

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<v Speaker 3>have to have more facts and more importantly, we have

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<v Speaker 3>to know even who these people are that are wanting

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<v Speaker 3>to come in and what they're wanting to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so what raised the red flags for you about

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<v Speaker 2>these projects? What motive motivated you to get involved?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, these sites at Stewart and Killing Station, Killing

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<v Speaker 3>is in and Roe Township have been empty for roughly

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<v Speaker 3>eight years since the power plant shut down, and a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of that has to do with the site cleanup.

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<v Speaker 3>And those were the economic drivers of our county. And

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<v Speaker 3>Adams County is such a prideful, beautiful countryside, but those

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<v Speaker 3>were the economic drivers that really our community was built around.

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<v Speaker 3>So it is these are general generational issues that we

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<v Speaker 3>have in our county and we want to make sure

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<v Speaker 3>that we're doing the right things. So not only us,

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<v Speaker 3>but our children and our grandchildren are proud to continue

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<v Speaker 3>to live and remain in Adams County.

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<v Speaker 2>So this isn't completely going, Hey, we don't want a

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<v Speaker 2>data center, we don't want any of this stuff. Stay

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<v Speaker 2>the hell out of town.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I would say everyone is of the mindset, where

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<v Speaker 3>as I would akin these NDAs to that, mister Worley

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<v Speaker 3>signed is you're essentially agreen to get married before you've

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<v Speaker 3>even seen who you're going on a date with. So

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we need to have more faction. We need

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<v Speaker 3>to know exactly who these companies are. Are they are

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<v Speaker 3>they you know, companies based in the US. Are they

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<v Speaker 3>foreign based companies? And you know what exactly the plans

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<v Speaker 3>are because there's so many different variables that come into play.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's a critical point because in this

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<v Speaker 2>particular case, and we'll get into the NDA battle in

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<v Speaker 2>just a second, and Paul Worley, I believe, is the

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<v Speaker 2>Economic Development director for Adams County. He signed an NDA

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<v Speaker 2>with a company, But you guys have no idea on

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the size and scope of the project, the

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<v Speaker 2>exact location. I mean, you could kind of figure that

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<v Speaker 2>out maybe with EPA records, but if you don't know

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<v Speaker 2>the company, you don't know even if it's a data

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<v Speaker 2>center or the type of services they offer before this

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<v Speaker 2>thing goes in.

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<v Speaker 3>So the projects that are being proposed in Spring Township

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<v Speaker 3>are a little bit further along, specifically at Stewart Seite,

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<v Speaker 3>and there's also Buck Canyon site which is across the

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<v Speaker 3>road too. In row is very much earlier on in

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<v Speaker 3>the process, which is very fortunate. And so that's precisely it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we have to have more information on this

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<v Speaker 3>because there I mean, it's just it's a black hole

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<v Speaker 3>right now for the county, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Economic Development Director signs this non disclosure agreement

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<v Speaker 2>with a couple companies and says, we've got to do

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<v Speaker 2>this and they'll be transparency if the project gets to

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<v Speaker 2>a point. So, you know, how do you respond to

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<v Speaker 2>residents like yourself being asked away for details until the

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<v Speaker 2>deals are nearly finalized. At what point is it too

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<v Speaker 2>late for meaningful public input?

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<v Speaker 3>I think that starts at the time that you actually

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<v Speaker 3>signed the nbas. You know, Paul Whorley executed two nbas,

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<v Speaker 3>one in January of twenty twenty four, the other one

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<v Speaker 3>was in November of this year, and based on my

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<v Speaker 3>tracing them, it's my opinion that they are linked to

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<v Speaker 3>Amazon because the framework around the NBA's is the same

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<v Speaker 3>as what's going on in Mount War right now in

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<v Speaker 3>Brown County. And you know, to that point, and I

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<v Speaker 3>had raised this issue and discussions with some of the

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<v Speaker 3>commissioners on Monday, is Paul Whorley serves at the pleasure

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<v Speaker 3>of the Board of Commissioners in Adams County. So how

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<v Speaker 3>is the Board of Commissioners able to oversee Paul discharging

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<v Speaker 3>his job duties for the board and thus in the

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<v Speaker 3>best interests of the county if they cannot even monitor

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<v Speaker 3>what he is working on. Who is who he is

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<v Speaker 3>working with on these sites?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, but from the company standpoint, be it Amazon or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it might be, we don't know. At this point.

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<v Speaker 2>He's kind of like the cond of with so on

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<v Speaker 2>these deals, you get a guy like him, an economic

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<v Speaker 2>development guy, signs a non disclosure agreement with whoever's building

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<v Speaker 2>this thing, which is kind of standard practice because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they want to keep the secret for as long as

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<v Speaker 2>pass from the competition because there's a lot of proprietary

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<v Speaker 2>technical information of all. But the people that don't sign

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<v Speaker 2>it would be the the elected lawmakers, right, that would

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<v Speaker 2>be the county commissioners of Adams County. And so at

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<v Speaker 2>some point there's going to have to be a disclosure

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<v Speaker 2>so that you can you can vote on this. So

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<v Speaker 2>based on that, is this anything? Is this? Is this

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<v Speaker 2>different than how it's done elsewhere, Not that it makes

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<v Speaker 2>it right, but you know what I'm saying is like,

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<v Speaker 2>if this is standard practice, I get why Amazon or

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<v Speaker 2>whoever is trying to protect their interests here, because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't want all this information out there until you

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<v Speaker 2>get a deal kind of put together.

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<v Speaker 3>The debate on whether NDA's is standard practice or not

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<v Speaker 3>really dependent on who you ask. I can tell you

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<v Speaker 3>in certain areas and Columbus, which Columbus has over one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred data centers right now, is not the most standard practice.

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<v Speaker 3>And to your point about competition, that is actually what

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<v Speaker 3>NDAs specifically inhibit. My degree is in economics from Ohio

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<v Speaker 3>State University, and when you put an NDA in place,

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<v Speaker 3>that prohibits you from even looking at other alternatives as

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<v Speaker 3>to those sites and those developments, thus reducing competition. What

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<v Speaker 3>happens when you reduce competition, you harm the consumer. Who's

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<v Speaker 3>the consumer here, the residents of Adams County.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I get the argument, and you, you guys,

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<v Speaker 2>you definitely should have a hand in the process here.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't want government just going out and no, we

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<v Speaker 2>know what's best, and that's it doesn't work that way.

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<v Speaker 2>County officials there will switch to the jobs saying they said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>seven hundred seven hundred jobs lost with the power plant

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<v Speaker 2>closures there in Adams County, another five and a half

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<v Speaker 2>million from school funding gets pulled off because as they said, look,

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<v Speaker 2>I've going hey, listen, this is going to help support

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<v Speaker 2>the tax space here. But as I understand it, data

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<v Speaker 2>centers are obviously exempt from property taxes because it's commercial.

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<v Speaker 2>What about the job creation element?

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<v Speaker 3>So job creation, the studies have shown that you have

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<v Speaker 3>to have roughly twenty million dollars of capital input costs

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<v Speaker 3>to create one full time job. So if you have

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<v Speaker 3>a billion dollar data center development, you are only going

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<v Speaker 3>to create roughly fifty jobs, Whereas if you look at

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<v Speaker 3>other industrial usages for that site that actually provide you know,

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<v Speaker 3>not only additional jobs and infrastructure and increase land value

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<v Speaker 3>for the community. You are actually specifically targeting a broader workforce,

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<v Speaker 3>the technical skill set of the workforce that we have

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<v Speaker 3>in Adams County. And it's also then benefiting the community

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<v Speaker 3>for people to work there and also the school district

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of the generation of those taxes from the payroll.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, what about the element of what about the

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<v Speaker 2>this is you know, the trail. I love the trades,

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<v Speaker 2>but there'll be like over a thousand around a thousand

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<v Speaker 2>construction jobs for up to five years, and some of

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<v Speaker 2>those would have to be in place for maintenance because

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<v Speaker 2>a minute you finished this huge project going to take

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<v Speaker 2>you know, three years, you're going to start having to

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<v Speaker 2>refit some areas that were done three years ago because

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<v Speaker 2>it's technology to change is rapidly. So some of the

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<v Speaker 2>estimates say, you know, maybe one hundred million plus in

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<v Speaker 2>local wages, one thousand, two thousand workers, eighty percent of

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<v Speaker 2>those will be in radius of where you live. Those

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<v Speaker 2>jobs are nothing to some of your nose at.

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<v Speaker 3>There are nothing go some of your knows that. But

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<v Speaker 3>I think you have to look at the actual data

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of the payroll. And I've talked about this

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<v Speaker 3>with David Gifford, the county auditor, who's a good friend

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<v Speaker 3>of mine. And you know, when people try and say

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<v Speaker 3>these auxiliary jobs that are created in the permanency of them,

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<v Speaker 3>the numbers simply do not support that in the payroll records,

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<v Speaker 3>and the auditor has that. And I think you also

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<v Speaker 3>overall with these data centers in the job creation, you

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<v Speaker 3>have to look at what's happening in the Greater Columbus

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<v Speaker 3>area with Intel, where essentially Mike Dwine sold the farm

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<v Speaker 3>to Intel and we had and the plants were supposed

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<v Speaker 3>to open last year, and they were all these financial

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<v Speaker 3>incentives and benchmarks that were supposed to be met by them.

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<v Speaker 3>They have not. Mike had the option to enforce those

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<v Speaker 3>agreements last year and he basically said.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's okay.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you can do whatever you want here in Ohio.

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<v Speaker 3>So what would make the situation any different in Appalasha areas?

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, but at the same time you look at

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<v Speaker 2>it and go, are there industries that are are knocking

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<v Speaker 2>at the door and trying to get their way into

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<v Speaker 2>Adams County right now? You know, you mentioned Columbus, Cincinnati,

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<v Speaker 2>the big cities. A lot of companies want to do

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<v Speaker 2>business in those areas. It makes a lot of sense

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<v Speaker 2>for reasons we don't. The obvious reasons would be infrastructures

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<v Speaker 2>already in place. But you know, Adams County I lost jobs,

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<v Speaker 2>power plants. Is it kind of like you're turning your

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<v Speaker 2>nose up with a good thing or you're trying to

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<v Speaker 2>basically avoid a slam dunk care I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 2>people see this and go, well, it's Adams County. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not like and it's not being I'm not being derogatory.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just like there are in companies that are looking

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<v Speaker 2>to knock the door down to Adams County at this point.

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<v Speaker 3>Are there no I would disagree with that. The sites

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<v Speaker 3>have been looked at for a multiple for a multitude

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<v Speaker 3>of different sectors over the years. And again I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's important for people to remember that once the power

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<v Speaker 3>plants closed, it's not like you can just open up,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a new enterprise there the next day. There's

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<v Speaker 3>so much environmental cleanup the head to be done with

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<v Speaker 3>King Fisher Partners to come in.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a brownfield exactly precisely. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and but okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so there's some infrastructure there, but people are well, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd rather build something, you know. At the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, these data centers take a lot of power,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, put two and two together, it's pretty

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<v Speaker 2>obvious that you want to be near water, which you have,

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<v Speaker 2>and you want to be near you know, megawats of electricity.

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<v Speaker 2>They're easily accessible.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct, And we do have the power grid there in place,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, this is something that that think Ramaswami

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<v Speaker 3>has discussed about the strain on the power grid right

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<v Speaker 3>now and there's currently a House bill in place, House

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<v Speaker 3>Built six forty six sitting in the House Rules Committee

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of actually setting a thirteam member commission to

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<v Speaker 3>study these data centers because of the boom of them

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<v Speaker 3>in Ohio, because of the strain on our electrical grid.

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<v Speaker 3>So I kind of akin it to people as this is,

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<v Speaker 3>how are we going to continue as a society to

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<v Speaker 3>supply the power and energy to these data centers because

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<v Speaker 3>they are not they are they are an energy input.

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<v Speaker 3>They are they are not an energy export if we

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<v Speaker 3>do not have facilities in place to actually generate that

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<v Speaker 3>power for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've talked about this a lot of my show

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<v Speaker 2>Well in the Future. And you know, you're in the

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<v Speaker 2>tech sector as well, So it's not like you know

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<v Speaker 2>your lutta, your scrim at the old man, scrim at

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<v Speaker 2>the clouds and saying damn computers go away, right, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean you lean We all leaned into it. We're all

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<v Speaker 2>and it's it's such a paradox, right, Alex, because we're

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<v Speaker 2>all guilty of this. We all have devices. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking, you know digitally right now, I'm recording you digitally.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going into a cloud, and so we're guilty of

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<v Speaker 2>this ourselves right now. We have no choice but to

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<v Speaker 2>figure out a way we can all live.

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<v Speaker 3>With us absolutely. And you know, my company uses you know,

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<v Speaker 3>cloud servers, and you know we have to have them

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<v Speaker 3>as society, and we have to have them also in

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<v Speaker 3>terms of national intelligence and also being independent from you know,

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<v Speaker 3>foreign control. And I think we all saw what happened

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<v Speaker 3>with COVID when manufacturing shut down in the rest of

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<v Speaker 3>the world. Look that, you know, Oh my god, look

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<v Speaker 3>how de pendent we are upon China. So you know,

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<v Speaker 3>that is definitely, you know, a great point. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>the thing I think everyone's standpoint is we are not

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<v Speaker 3>saying no to data centers overall, but in terms of

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<v Speaker 3>specifically the locations and the phases in which you possibly

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<v Speaker 3>would put those in and where you would put those

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<v Speaker 3>in at is what the biggest concern is with not

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<v Speaker 3>having any information from these companies?

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<v Speaker 2>The number one, the biggest outside of transparency the politics

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<v Speaker 2>of it, which generally they tend to settle down at

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<v Speaker 2>some point. What's the biggest concern for residents? Would you

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<v Speaker 2>say there, Alex Schaeffer and Adams County over this.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say, specifically where they're proposing it is you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the landscape in you know, the southern part of Adams County,

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<v Speaker 3>the hills and the river and everything is what makes

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<v Speaker 3>Adams County beautiful. And also, you know, you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>side effects that you have from the data center's long

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<v Speaker 3>term is something that again we don't know about. So

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<v Speaker 3>if the state is at the process to where they're

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<v Speaker 3>looking at creating a thirteen member committee to study those effects,

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<v Speaker 3>then us as Adams County should sit here and look

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<v Speaker 3>at it and say, Okay, if this is a broader

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<v Speaker 3>issue at the state and obviously the national level, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we don't have the ability as a small community to

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<v Speaker 3>fight this later on down the road. So we don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to make the wrong decision now that we look

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<v Speaker 3>back ten years and we're like, what did we do right?

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard because you know, you're at the tip of

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<v Speaker 2>the spirit at this point. There are not many other

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<v Speaker 2>peers you could look at that have been doing this

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<v Speaker 2>for you twenty years and see what the long term

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<v Speaker 2>effects are. You've got to make a decision that's going

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<v Speaker 2>to impact the next hundred exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know that's that's honestly the problem in society

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<v Speaker 3>with a lot of things, whether that's technology or medicine,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, we have to continue to evolve and adapt.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they are unforeseen consequences that no one can predict.

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<v Speaker 2>And usually that's the case. We didn't we didn't think

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<v Speaker 2>of that, or we didn't see that coming because while

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<v Speaker 2>the world is always changing, for sure, So what are

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<v Speaker 2>the next steps here?

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<v Speaker 3>So so from area township right now, they're in the

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<v Speaker 3>process of obtaining outside legal counsels, start trapped in the

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<v Speaker 3>framework for what they want to put in for zoning. Specifically,

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<v Speaker 3>their Sprig Township has a meeting I believe it is

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<v Speaker 3>February twenty third, and there there is going to be

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<v Speaker 3>some more information hopefully that'll come out about at that standpoint.

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<v Speaker 3>And so overall for the county, the commissioners have promised

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<v Speaker 3>to have more public input and a more dedicated special

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<v Speaker 3>meeting to this. But again I think it's very important

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<v Speaker 3>to point out, you know, in terms of these developments,

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<v Speaker 3>the Board of Commissioners has the option to direct mister

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<v Speaker 3>Warley to recuse himself from these NDAs, and that prevents

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<v Speaker 3>these companies moving forward with the speed that they would

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<v Speaker 3>like and garner that public input and have these representatives

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<v Speaker 3>come in and talk to the community, talk to us

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<v Speaker 3>about what their plans are and how they want to

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<v Speaker 3>integrate themselves into our county in a way that we're

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<v Speaker 3>proud of, just like General Electric has done with their

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<v Speaker 3>jet engine testing facility in people.

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<v Speaker 2>Makes sense, you think Cincinnata has it right putting the

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<v Speaker 2>moratry monitsor in I do.

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<v Speaker 3>And several other townships and Columbus have done that. Jerne Township,

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<v Speaker 3>Washington Township, and the City of Dublin have done that.

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<v Speaker 3>And they have data centers kind of around the perimeter

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<v Speaker 3>of the City of Dublin. And because you know right

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<v Speaker 3>now it's an arms race for data centers, it truly is,

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<v Speaker 3>and that stems from I believe, you know, a technological

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<v Speaker 3>arms race with China. So again, in order for us

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<v Speaker 3>to properly look at this for our future and look

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<v Speaker 3>at the side effects of it, and look at where

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<v Speaker 3>we want to see these things in the landscape of

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<v Speaker 3>our communities, we have to put the pause button in place,

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<v Speaker 3>get more information, get more facts, and truly be able

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<v Speaker 3>to make candidly and more education an informed decision.

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<v Speaker 2>Alex Schaeffer is a residence in Adams County and it's

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<v Speaker 2>certainly one of the more interesting cases because of NDA's

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<v Speaker 2>and land and not knowing what really is going to

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<v Speaker 2>go and who even owns a data center for that point.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's a great example to look at for the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of us because Alex is a resident, is getting involved.

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<v Speaker 2>He's being proactive in the process of finding out if

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<v Speaker 2>it's right for his community and where he lives and breathes,

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<v Speaker 2>he eats, and works. And that's a battle. It's you

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<v Speaker 2>hear and that's going well, that's Adams County. But guess

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<v Speaker 2>what it's happening in Cincy. It's going to happen in

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<v Speaker 2>in not only the city, but it's going to happen

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<v Speaker 2>in maybe suburban areas, but particularly rural areas, Butler County,

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<v Speaker 2>Mount Orb the list goes on and on and on.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a battle we're all going to have to face,

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<v Speaker 2>or an issue we're gonna have to face, I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>and figure out how to to what the best practice is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not going away. We're going to have to put

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<v Speaker 2>them somewhere. How do we coexist, I guess is a question.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a great case, Alex. We'll talk again in the future,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure man, Thanks for coming on and shedding some

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<v Speaker 2>light on this issue.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, and Scott, you know on behalf of the people

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<v Speaker 3>of Adams County. Thank you for having me on to

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<v Speaker 3>allow us to raise our voice on your platform into

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<v Speaker 3>the greater Tri State area. We are truly and greatly

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<v Speaker 3>appreciative of all.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you, brother, and again we'll talk soon. Thanks again,

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Scott. All right, there we go Alex Schaeffer on

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<v Speaker 2>the show. Yeah, you hear that, you go. It doesn't really,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't concern me, it does it concerned We're the

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<v Speaker 2>ones doing it right. We use all this stuff as

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<v Speaker 2>far as information goes in data. We're using it right now,

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<v Speaker 2>you're using it right and we're all using it. We

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<v Speaker 2>have no choice. This is it's what it is. It's

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<v Speaker 2>the future too. So can we lean and make money

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<v Speaker 2>and make Ohio a more vibrant and improve our economy

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<v Speaker 2>because of Intel, because of AWS et cetera, et cetera. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>we also have to live where these plants are too.

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<v Speaker 2>So watching these guys, I think it's a great test

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<v Speaker 2>case for all of us. If you will anyway, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>continue to follow that. Scott's Loan Show continues seven hundred

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<v Speaker 2>w weld