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Speaker 2: Okay, we are back here, and yeah, it's about nine

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Speaker 2: oh seven if I'm reading my clock correctly. We are

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Speaker 2: in trouble as a state. Okay. I want to start

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Speaker 2: off just by saying that. And I've done this program

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Speaker 2: for nineteen years, and before that, spent a lot of

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Speaker 2: time working as a television reporter. And I've watched Massachusetts

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Speaker 2: develop and grow, and I've watched it seltify in the

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Speaker 2: in the last few years. And there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: things that are going on that need to be corrected

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Speaker 2: in this state, and we try to talk about them,

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Speaker 2: and we're going to talk about another one this hour,

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Speaker 2: and we will also talk at ten o'clock, just so

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Speaker 2: you know, I think we try to call things as

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Speaker 2: we see them. One of my listeners suggested mentioned destroy

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Speaker 2: to me which I had not heard about, that President

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Speaker 2: Trump's two sons, Don Junior and Eric are invested in

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Speaker 2: a drone company. Money have invested money in a drone

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Speaker 2: company called power Us, obviously a little player on power US,

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Speaker 2: which to me seems like a pretty blatant conflict of interest.

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Speaker 2: And I'm going to talk about that at some point

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Speaker 2: latest to night, probably at ten o'clock. But before I

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Speaker 2: with the Massachusetts Parole Board. Uh. There's a story today

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Speaker 2: which I read about which has bothered me. It's a

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Speaker 2: story that was broken by Rick Soby of the Boston Herald,

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Speaker 2: and I understand this story and I understand the legality

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Speaker 2: behind this story, just as we talked last week about

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Speaker 2: the release of this guy, Patrick Kelly, at the age

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Speaker 2: of sixty one, who raped one woman, a seventy six

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Speaker 2: year old woman twice and a visiting nurse. I don't

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Speaker 2: know how she was once in the matter of a

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Speaker 2: you know, one evening that he accessed to the home.

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Speaker 2: We can talk about that, but these are the sort

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Speaker 2: Now again you have the I think the horrific case

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Speaker 2: the reason I say it's a horrific case is that

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Speaker 2: it took a concept, the concept of emerging adults. Now

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Speaker 2: you can take any word in America and you can

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Speaker 2: put an adjective in front of it in sort of

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Speaker 2: changed the meaning. Now adults in Massachusetts have a definition

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Speaker 2: in Massachusetts like in any other state. And we have

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Speaker 2: laws in Massachusetts and have had laws in the book

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Speaker 2: and books in Massachusetts for a long time on the

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Speaker 2: issue of murder in the first degree. And now under

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Speaker 2: the Maness decision, anyone who has committed murder in the

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Speaker 2: been convicted of having committed a murder in the first degree,

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Speaker 2: they if they killed when they were eighteen, nineteen, or twenty,

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Speaker 2: even though they were convicted under the law at the time,

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Speaker 2: and the law at the time said, if you're convicted

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Speaker 2: of murder in the first degree, you are never going

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Speaker 2: your life in prison. And by the way, that gets

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Speaker 2: us back into the death penalty debate, which we can

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Speaker 2: talk about as well. But the death penalty was outlawed

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Speaker 2: in Massachusetts in the early two thousands in large part

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Speaker 2: another horrific case, the kidnapping and the murder of a

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Speaker 2: little boy named Jeffrey Curly, ten years old out of Somerville.

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Speaker 2: Some of you were remembered, some of you won't. But

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Speaker 2: the fact of the matter is that the Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: at Massachusetts in twenty twenty four, on a four to

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Speaker 2: three verdict substanquently changed the Massachusetts law, which basically has

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Speaker 2: given now two hundred and three individuals who committed murder

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Speaker 2: at the age of eighteen, nineteen, or twenty have now

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Speaker 2: an eighteen month old child. And I would say an

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Speaker 2: But he was babysitting for his living well for the

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Speaker 2: apartment about two hours later to get Benoyer alcohol. You know,

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Speaker 2: you're a living boyfriend and you sending the mother of

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Speaker 2: a an eighteen month old to get your alcohol. Okay, fine,

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Speaker 2: So she returns around seven thirty and she he is

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Speaker 2: like Jean Bellavou. Jean's mother overheard von Norr saying, if

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Speaker 2: you ever needed to do anything for me, pray for me.

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Speaker 2: Now I need a miracle. So that's what's called a

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Speaker 2: statement against interest. It's an acknowledgment that something happened. He

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Speaker 2: Now I know what that sounds like to me, and

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Speaker 2: So the next morning, the mother still had not seen

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Speaker 2: asked her to get him more alcohol. I mean, what

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Speaker 2: the hell sort of a human being is asking your

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Speaker 2: the morning, so she asked von Noyer if her son

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Speaker 2: When she asked for the location, where's my son? He

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Speaker 2: changes his story several times. He suggested that well, the

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Speaker 2: real character, right, nice human being. The mother screamed and

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Speaker 2: the child's body inside a trash bag in a nearby dumpster.

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Speaker 2: Cause of death blood forced trauma, Butnoia was charged. He's

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Speaker 2: arrested for the little boy's murder. He's sentenced to life

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Speaker 2: I guess his first full blown parole hearing, and the

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Speaker 2: board noted that he has multiple health issues. Oh, I'm

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Speaker 2: so sorry that this guy has some health issues. The

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Speaker 2: board wrote in its ruling, he's been sober for thirty

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Speaker 2: two years. You know, when you're in prison, you're supposed

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Speaker 2: to stay sober for some time, even if it is

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Speaker 2: thirty two years. I don't give him much credit for that.

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Speaker 2: Minimal disciplinary reports, the last one created over twenty years ago.

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Speaker 2: But here's where it gets better. He earned a bachelor's

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Speaker 2: degree from Boston University. Oh that's good. Oh that's really good.

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Speaker 2: While incarcerated, he's taken accountability for his actions, which I

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Speaker 2: assume means he's admitted what he did. That's at least

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Speaker 2: what I read from the report. And he's presented with

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Speaker 2: insight into the causative factors of his criminogenetic behaviors. Y

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Speaker 2: now criminogenic behaviors, his criminal behaviors. The board ordered the

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Speaker 2: evaluation and testimony of doctor Herzarg. The parole added the

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Speaker 2: board also considered the testimony of Handen County Ada Lee Baker.

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Speaker 2: The Board concludes, by unanimous decision that Ronald bonneyor Benoyer

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Speaker 2: has demonstrated a level of rehabilitation that will make his

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Speaker 2: release combatible with the welfare of society. Now again, I

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Speaker 2: told you last week. The board without last week, but

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Speaker 2: also recently released a man who raped a seventy six

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Speaker 2: year old woman twice, raped another woman in the same

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Speaker 2: see him, and he got three life sentences that he's

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Speaker 2: on parole. In addition, Rick Sobia, the Herald Rights, the

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Speaker 2: par board has freed dozens of emerging adults, convicted murderers.

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Speaker 2: Adult convicted murderers who originally sentenced a life without parole.

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Speaker 2: The state Supreme Judicial Court in twenty twenty four ruled

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Speaker 2: that life the parole for eighteen, nineteen and twenty year

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Speaker 2: olds is unconstitutional by a four to three decision, by

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Speaker 2: the way which the Supreme Court should never in Massachusetts

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Speaker 2: come down on a serious issue four to three that way,

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Speaker 2: making more than two hundred people eligible for parole consideration.

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Speaker 2: I want to hear from you as simple as that,

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Speaker 2: if you're not appalled by this. Who appoints the parole Board?

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Speaker 2: We went through this some a week ago. The governor does.

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Speaker 2: Four of those parole board members were appointed by Governor Healey,

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Speaker 2: two by Charlie Baker. One of them originally had been

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Speaker 2: appointed by Charlie Baker previously. Are we done as a

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Speaker 2: state here in Massachusetts. I'm serious. I mean, they're going

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Speaker 2: to tax you to death. And if they're not taxing

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Speaker 2: as that. They're putting convicted murder murderers in the first degree.

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Speaker 2: And how would you like to run into this guy.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure he's made a wonderful, wonderful recovery. But you

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Speaker 2: know who's not going to make a wonderful recovery, that

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Speaker 2: eighteen year old, that eighteen month old child who he

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Speaker 2: killed and who he admitted to killing. If this doesn't

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Speaker 2: boil your blood, I don't know what does six one, seven, two, five, four,

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Speaker 2: We need to we need to have Governor Healy, who

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Speaker 2: we invited to join us tonight, fire every last member

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Speaker 2: of this parole board. And it should become a campaign

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Speaker 2: issue in twenty twenty six. Agree or disagree?

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Speaker 1: Coming back on Nightside, You're on Night Side with Dan

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Speaker 2: The Globe did cover this story. I have to give

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Speaker 2: him credit for that. They covered this story on February eighteenth, Uh.

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Speaker 2: This event occurred in Agawam, Massachusetts, in nineteen eighty eight.

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Speaker 2: This guy does not deserve to walk amongst us. It's

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Speaker 2: as simple as that. I'm sure that there's no follow

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Speaker 2: on in terms of where this mommy is today. Did

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Speaker 2: she go on with your life? Who cares? I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know, I care, you care? But do you think

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Speaker 2: anyone's going to be able to find her and find

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Speaker 2: out what happened to the rest of her life? Six one, seven, two, five, four,

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Speaker 2: ten thirty. Those lines are full six one seven, nine three,

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Speaker 2: of you who if you don't wake up to stuff

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Speaker 2: like this and realize that we are in real trouble

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Speaker 2: as a state. Here in Massachusetts, we're in real trouble,

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Speaker 3: Go right ahead, Hey, how you doing tonight?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm pretty upset, to be honest with you, because

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I agree with you and that the state

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Speaker 4: And you know, so you hit.

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Speaker 2: It's many issues, oh many issues. But but you know,

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Speaker 2: Come on. If you don't work, the more the merrier.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a problem. It's almost like, you know, Section

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's going to come for a lot

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Speaker 2: Maybe I'll be out in twenty years. It's incongruent. It

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Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense. Yeah, Heet, I hope that you'll continue.

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Speaker 2: I hope, Pete, that you will continue to call nights out.

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Speaker 2: I hope you'll continue to listen. I feel sort of

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Speaker 3: Oh, I agree with you. I'll definitely give you a

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Speaker 2: Let's keep it rolling. I want new callers, old callers,

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Speaker 2: move it on, and now we're going to put him

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Speaker 2: She's been on this show before. This should be an

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Speaker 1: Nightside, Night Side, with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Boston's

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Speaker 2: Let's keep rolling. You're going to go to Steven addle Row.

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Speaker 2: Steve appreciate you calling in your next Dark nightside.

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Speaker 4: Dan. A pleasure to speak with you and a very

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Speaker 4: Well, but the thing is, did I hear you correctly

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Speaker 2: It was because there was a there was a calling

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Speaker 4: What does that tell you? I mean, but here's here's

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Speaker 2: It tells you. People. I'll tell you what it tells you.

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Speaker 2: We elect people to the state legislature who, for the

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Speaker 2: Meaning I'm not saying just beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm

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Speaker 4: Those two punks are disgusting human beings. And the thing

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Speaker 2: Look at it. You've got Boston bomber number two who's

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Speaker 4: The problem is the problem is the correctional facilities today.

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Speaker 4: Their hands are held, you know, they they assault a

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Speaker 4: staff member at the facility, instead of any kind of

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Speaker 4: penalties or punishment to say, hey, that kind of thing

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Speaker 4: isn't allowed, they're given a slap on the wrist and

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Speaker 4: then and.

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Speaker 2: They'll probably bring the staff member up on charges, even

436
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Speaker 2: though he's trying to defend himself or help defend another

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Speaker 2: another officer.

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Speaker 4: Exactly. Yeah, And I'm sure you've heard all the stories,

439
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Speaker 4: but Dan, thank you. I hope you get a lot

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Speaker 4: of sympathy and support on this because you got mine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I don't want sympathy. I want action, and

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Speaker 2: I want people to say to themselves they're going to

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Speaker 2: go to the polls in November and they're going to

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Speaker 2: vote against people who have been there too long and

445
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Speaker 2: have not not fought against the tide. It's as simple

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Speaker 2: as that. You know, the party activist, the ones from

447
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Speaker 2: Cambridge and and and places like that. You're never gonna

448
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 2: gonna rouse those people. But people who live in normal communities,

449
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 2: they got to start saying to these guys, I'm sorry,

450
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Speaker 2: I might see you with the diner two or three

451
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Speaker 2: times a year, but Representative, I'm not voting for you,

452
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Speaker 2: and I'm gonna go vote for someone else. Yet.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, true, I agree, I agree with you, But unfortunately

454
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Speaker 4: I'm gonna be one of those many people that are

455
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Speaker 4: leaving the state and going more to a red state

456
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Speaker 4: where there is such a thing called accountability for actions.

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Speaker 4: Because if you're living in a one party state, why

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Speaker 4: bother to vote if you especially if you're on the

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Speaker 4: other side, on the red side, because it's just not

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Speaker 4: gonna mean anything.

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Speaker 2: Well, here's where I'll disagree with you, Steve. If everybody

462
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Speaker 2: sits at home in their hands and says it's not

463
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Speaker 2: worth it. Then all that is necessary for evil to

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Speaker 2: triumph is that good men do nothing. And that was

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Speaker 2: Edmund Burke's agree. And it's so easy to say, you know,

466
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Speaker 2: and I'm gonna I'm not gonna go to the polls,

467
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Speaker 2: but we gotta go to the polls because if you don't,

468
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Speaker 2: that's this is gonna turn. This will turn into a

469
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Speaker 2: garbage Massachusets will turn into a garbage dump.

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Speaker 4: It's already turned into a garbage dump.

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Speaker 2: All right, all right, Steve, don't don't, don't kill my spirits. Okay,

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Speaker 2: but keep calling. Okay, thanks very much, talk to you.

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Speaker 2: So we'll take a quick break, coming right back on Nightside.

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Speaker 1: Night Side with Ray Boston's news Radio.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna pick the pace up a little bit. If

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Speaker 2: we have to go into the next hour, we will.

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Speaker 2: Eric in New Hampshire, Eric next on night Side. You're

478
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Speaker 2: ont of state up in New Hampshire. What's your take

479
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Speaker 2: on this?

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Speaker 5: Well, you know why we call what we call norse,

481
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Speaker 5: we call people from Massachusetts.

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Speaker 2: I don't want you to use it, but I don't.

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Speaker 5: Anyway. Terrible thing that happened to that curly cat, etc.

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Speaker 2: The curly kid. I knew Bob Curle know, Bob Curley,

485
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: his Jeff's dad, Jeff's dad. I feel, but what about

486
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 2: this little eighteen month old baby who was left in

487
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Speaker 2: the care of this animal and the guy.

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Speaker 5: Too that too. Yeah, you know, I've spent over twenty

489
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Speaker 5: years of my life and jails in prisons, nothing violent.

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Speaker 5: And that's a whole nother story that you don't want

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Speaker 5: to get into. But I believe, as a convicted felon,

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Speaker 5: that if somebody admits the first degree murder, that's it

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Speaker 5: roll out. The guarantee cut that off.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, no, he didn't know, Eric, Eric, I just

495
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Speaker 2: want to make sure that we're on the same page.

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Speaker 2: This guy played guilty to murder too, so he knew

497
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Speaker 2: he was going to get a parole, not guarantee that

498
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Speaker 2: he was going to be he'll get a parole, hearing,

499
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Speaker 2: not guaranteed that you get paroled. So this this guy

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Speaker 2: that maybe the proces cutest felt Hey, there's no witnesses,

501
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 2: there's the the evidence is more circumstantial. But he's willing

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Speaker 2: to admit to murder too. He did, he did thirty

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Speaker 2: one years. I think he never should get paroles.

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Speaker 5: What I'm trying to say, well that the parole people

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Speaker 5: should be elected by the people once a year.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think you got to understand that the governor

507
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Speaker 2: should fire all six of these parole people that voted unanimously,

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Speaker 2: now several controversially. Look someone like yourself who was in

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Speaker 2: prison and turned your life around. You know, I have

510
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Speaker 2: all the respect in the world for you, okay, And

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Speaker 2: I mean that honestly. You weren't violent. Whatever you did,

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Speaker 2: you did, but you know, it's a whole difference between

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Speaker 2: somebody who engages in nonviolent crime and someone who engages

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Speaker 2: in violent crime. That takes it to a totally different level.

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Speaker 2: In my opinion, Eric, I would never mind having you

516
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Speaker 2: as an next door neighbor, but I'll be very upset

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Speaker 2: if this Ronald bonnayor however the hell he pronounces his

518
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Speaker 2: name were to move into my neighborhood.

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Speaker 5: Well he should. The people should take it off, put

520
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 5: it on the ballot that you know, the people decide,

521
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 5: you know, vote for old members every year.

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Speaker 3: Not down here.

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Speaker 2: They're appointed, Eric, they're appointed by the governor down here,

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Speaker 2: And I'm calling upon the governor tonight to fire all

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Speaker 2: six of them. Tomorrow won't happen.

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Speaker 5: I agree with you with you, Eric.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you to have you called me before. Is

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Speaker 2: this your first time?

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Speaker 5: Oh, I've called you many times.

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Speaker 2: Damn well, please do me a favorite and keep calling.

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Speaker 2: I think you got an interesting background. Some night we'll

532
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Speaker 2: talk about that background, because I do believe that people

533
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Speaker 2: who are who are engaged in non violent activity certainly

534
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 2: deserve a second chance. And it sounds to me like

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Speaker 2: you've taken advantage of it, which is great. Thank you, Michu.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, one one thing, all the thing. Damn Yeah. When

537
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 5: you offer people up with murderers and rapists, yeah, they

538
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 5: your only get hunted by the people that have nothing

539
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Speaker 5: to lose. Yeah, if you know what I mean, that's

540
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 5: not a good joys. It turns a guy with a

541
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Speaker 5: nonviolent crime into a violent person because he has to

542
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 5: defend themselves, spend the rest of their lives in prison,

543
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Speaker 5: Jess for defending themselves.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you in that. I hear you in that,

545
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 2: and I got to be careful what I say publicly,

546
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Speaker 2: if you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: Thank right, Thank you, Dan, Thank.

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Speaker 2: You, buddy, Talk to you soon. Let me go to

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Speaker 2: Eileen and Cambridge. Eileen or calling in from the People's

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Speaker 2: Republic of Cambridge. Hi, Eileen, how are you?

551
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Speaker 6: I was going to ask you what you mean about Cambridge.

552
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Speaker 6: I'm so happy to be living in Cambridge. But first

553
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Speaker 6: of all, I want to thank you for starting this

554
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Speaker 6: week with this topic and for giving such clear descriptions

555
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Speaker 6: of crimes committed by so called emerging adults. And there's

556
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Speaker 6: something wrong with the mentally wrong with people who commit murder, and.

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Speaker 7: Uh, you know, I don't think that you can count

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Speaker 7: on them to change and uh become you know, become

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Speaker 7: less violent.

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Speaker 8: Well, I mean the story we talked about, the story

561
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Speaker 8: we talked about last week, the the guy at the

562
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Speaker 8: age I think it was thirty one, raped the seventy

563
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Speaker 8: six year old woman twice and then on the same night,

564
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Speaker 8: raped the visiting nurse who came to visit the woman's husband.

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Speaker 2: Who was bedridden. You know, they're both passed at this

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that passed. I don't know if the visiting

567
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Speaker 2: nurse ever recovered. I don't know this woman who's whose

568
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 2: eighteen month old son Jean was was bludgeed, bludgeoned to death,

569
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Speaker 2: but who he pled guilty Ronald Bonne or I mean,

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Speaker 2: we have no concern, never mind the victims who are

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Speaker 2: now dead, whatever the age, or who've been raped. Our

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00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 2: concern is always in Massachusetts with the criminals. Criminals come first,

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Speaker 2: and the more violent you are, the more consideration you receive.

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Speaker 7: Okay, And I also wanted to say that I'm sorry

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Speaker 7: the governor heally refused to participate in your program tonight,

576
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Speaker 7: and I hope that she will participate in the future.

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Speaker 7: I'm grateful that you started the week with this topic.

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Speaker 7: It's just terribly, terribly important.

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Speaker 2: And I so appreciate I so appreciate what you're saying, Eileen,

580
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Speaker 2: and you know you've been great support of the program.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to get one more in, but please keep

582
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Speaker 2: listening and always keep calling. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 6: Okay, Well, thank you for what you do. Dan, It's

584
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Speaker 6: very important, pure thank you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Aleen, You're a friend. Thank you. Let me go

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Speaker 2: to Priscilla in Mattapan. Priscilla, you're next on nights side.

587
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Speaker 2: Get you in here so you don't have to wait

588
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Speaker 2: through the news. Go right ahead, Priscilla.

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Speaker 9: Ahi, Yes, I think that terrible thing that's going.

590
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Speaker 2: On we need we need to change it up. We

591
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 2: need to shake it up on Beagon Hill, Priscilla, this

592
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Speaker 2: this stuff is just uh, every one of these stories

593
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Speaker 2: seems to be worse than the previous one, you know.

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Speaker 9: I mean yeah, and I don't you know, hurt eighteen

595
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Speaker 9: month old babies and things like that, and then.

596
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Speaker 2: Lying about it, and the and the cops. Cops find

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Speaker 2: the child in a bag in a in a in

598
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Speaker 2: a trash bin.

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Speaker 9: Yeah that's horrible, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Carroll, And he pleads guilty to it. And yo, when

601
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Speaker 2: you plead guilty, you do get a parole hearing if

602
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Speaker 2: you want it, but there's no guarantee your parole. This

603
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Speaker 2: guy never should have gotten parole. He should have gotten

604
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Speaker 2: what he was what he was promised the parole hearing.

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Speaker 2: They should have listened to him and said, thank you

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Speaker 2: for whatever you've done to try to control yourself. But

607
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 2: that that eighteen year old boys never that eighteen month

608
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Speaker 2: old baby is never coming back to life, and you're

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Speaker 2: never getting out of prison. See you in five years, right.

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Speaker 9: And then they always want to do the psychiatric Oh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah they can. They can find psychologists, and psychiatrists will

612
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 2: say anything, you know, they'll they can find a psychologist,

613
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 2: a psychiatrist tomorrow that would tell you the moon is

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Speaker 2: made of green cheese. Yeah, Priscilla, thank you so much.

615
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Speaker 2: I know you listen a lot. I know you've called before,

616
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Speaker 2: and I know I so appreciate to hear your voice.

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Speaker 2: You're and you know you're you're. You're someone who I

618
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Speaker 2: really value as a listener, and I thank you for

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Speaker 2: taking your time to me. Thank you, You're very welcome.

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Speaker 9: Thank you for your show.

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Speaker 2: Well, I love the fact that you do love listening

622
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Speaker 2: to my show. And Priscilla, I hope you know that.

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Speaker 2: I hope someday we bump into each other. Okay, thank

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Speaker 2: you so much.

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Speaker 9: You're welcome, have a great night, Stay safe, stay well.

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Speaker 2: So those are you in the line, Kathy and Kathy

627
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Speaker 2: and Bob and all of you guys, stay right there.

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Speaker 2: We're going to take this into the second hour. We'll

629
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Speaker 2: get to Trump's kids who are looking to to buy

630
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Speaker 2: into this company that we'll be producing drones to get contracts,

631
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Speaker 2: I should say, but we'll stick with this. If you'd

632
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Speaker 2: like to join the conversation, let's keep the ball rolling.

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Speaker 2: Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven,

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Speaker 2: nine three one ten thirty coming back on night Side