1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: Hey man, our team was one last night. I'm in 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: a I'm in a fantastic move, Dave, good to see you. 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, Hello, What's what's the artist that does it? Hello? 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 2: Isn't that? Uh no, no, no. 5 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: That's another hello? And there's a litel Richie's Hello. Yeah, 6 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: that's a classic one. But I was thinking of I 7 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: don't know, mister Neil Diamond, isn't it he does the hello? 8 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, that's what I was thinking. That's look 9 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 2: at you. That's the whole school, so start, Yes, he is, well, 10 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 2: Diamond would be like night or eighty five. 11 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: That's very very nice. So I bet he still could 12 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: go like as far. I imagine he's got. 13 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 2: Some sort of uh illness of some sort of oh really, 14 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 2: I couldn't remember what it was, and I remember reading 15 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: about it while back at that movie recently with you Jackman. 16 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 2: I saw that wasn't any good really, you know, it 17 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 2: was not a movie about uh Neil Diamond. It was 18 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: about the group that covered Neil Diamond. So but wait 19 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 2: a minute, Hugh Jackman was good. Okay, Yeah, it wasn't 20 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 2: really about Neil Diamond. It was about the group that 21 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: covered all of Neil Diamond. Songs. 22 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: You tell me you watched the preview for that, and 23 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: we have a lot to get to. 24 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 2: I understand. People are like, what what we're doing here? 25 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 1: You watched that preview, I imagine before you went and saw 26 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: the movie. 27 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I did. No, it was it was it 28 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 2: was good. 29 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: It looked like a biopic. And then it wasn't a 30 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: biopic bio you mean a biopick a biopic? Yeah, I 31 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: thought I was hearing something wrong. 32 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 2: I'm like, it's biopics. You're right, You're. 33 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 3: Right, Okay, there's something wrong. That's all I'm sitting here, like, 34 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 3: was a biopick from Connect? Yeah? 35 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll do Mexico. We pronounced it's time, It's about time. Yeah, exactly. Well, 36 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: last night, so we crowned a national champion, and more importantly, 37 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: the cover Yukon plus six and a half, that was 38 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: the more important aspect of that. 39 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 2: Right, you're lucky. You get a seventy six percent free 40 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 2: throw shooter who misses not one but two with like 41 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 2: thirty seconds to go. But that's all right, we split, 42 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 2: but the winner's split. Oh what it is? Okay? 43 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, all I know is is the cover was really 44 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: what my rooting interest was I mean, yeah, whatever happened, 45 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: I thought Michigan might win. 46 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 2: I just I knew in my heart, Dave, I knew 47 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 2: in my heart there was no way to Michigan victory 48 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 2: lap over Yukon, covering six and a half the. 49 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 3: Way. 50 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 2: This is a guy that is not when's the last 51 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 2: I want to I want to ask you one question, 52 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 2: one serious question. When's the last time no bs that 53 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 2: you in in like in full swing competed, Like, what 54 00:02:54,840 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 2: was the last competitive thing that you, like, were involved? 55 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 2: Like pick a ball? Does? Like board game? Count? Is that? Like? Uh, 56 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 2: which which board game? 57 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: Like? 58 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 2: Which one? 59 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 1: Well, I mean there's like, you know, like the game Monopoly. 60 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: Actually I hate Monopoly. Always take games the Orange. That's 61 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 2: a good one. Yeah, that's a good one, but I'll 62 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 2: never play it ever again. So so other than a 63 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 2: board game, like a like like competed, Yeah, you know, 64 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 2: I will play golf every so often. I guess that. Okay, 65 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 2: compete against yourself, yeah for sure. 66 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: All right. 67 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 2: I just just was asking for a friend. 68 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: I really really, because by the time the game got 69 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: to that late portion of it, you knew Michigan was 70 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: going to win, So then it really kind of in 71 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: my opinion, came down to Okay, and that became more 72 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: of my interest because I didn't think Ukon was going 73 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: to win. 74 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 2: It's going to be a one point game with like 75 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 2: twenty eight seconds right now. 76 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 3: I was under the belief, I'm like, God, Michigan is 77 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 3: going to win this game, but if Yukon comes back, 78 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 3: they're going to hit a buzzerbeater or within it. Like 79 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 3: that's what YU kinda is like instilled in my head. 80 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 3: It was just like, if they can make it a 81 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 3: close game on one shot game, they're with it. And 82 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 3: they slowly started chipping away at it at the end 83 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 3: and they almost did get it. Like you said, if 84 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 3: they hit that three, where we might be talking about 85 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 3: a different national champion at this point. Because Michigan was 86 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 3: struggling scoring. They were struggling pretty much the whole game. 87 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 3: They struggled. Both teams were really good on defense. I mean, 88 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 3: that was under the total bike quite a bit. But 89 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 3: can we talk about how there's such a drastic difference 90 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 3: now between college talent and NBA talent. I'm watching that 91 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 3: game yesterday and I'm like, how many of these kids 92 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 3: can play in the NBA? And I didn't see many, 93 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 3: but like that's the difference though. I guess now with 94 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 3: college basketball and NIO is you got people going to 95 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 3: stick around forever, and those are going to be the 96 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 3: better teams, but the team's actually necessarily. 97 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 2: Might have the better player. Michigan. Michigan's gonna have a couple, right, Yeah, 98 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 2: seven due to make a roster, and make a roster. 99 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 2: He's a boy who was hurt, uh Linden, I mean 100 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 2: he'll be He's probably a mid first round pick. What 101 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 2: about Yukont Caravan might make as he's a freshman. 102 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Well, I mean I'm not now I'm saying 103 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: like at some points, but. 104 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 3: It's just from what I'm looking at, these teams, they 105 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 3: may be better teams now with a guy, you have 106 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 3: a lot of the players staying longer. But man, for me, 107 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 3: it was a drastic difference between NBA talent and college 108 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 3: talent and that and that showed it. And again I 109 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 3: was a great college guy. I loved watching it. I 110 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 3: love defensive games. I love it when they're competing and 111 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 3: it's not a complete blowout. But can you out telling 112 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 3: me that a lot of those players can play in 113 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 3: the NBA? Well, and that's why these older players in 114 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 3: the NBA are sticking around for so long because the 115 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 3: younger players are just not fitting the bill. You're looking 116 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 3: good for you. You're listening to exactly. I always keep 117 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 3: saying that, like the college game has changed so much 118 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 3: that I will always have a job because there's not 119 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 3: many de tackles nowadays that play physical and and do 120 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 3: the little things right. Speaking of you always having a job, 121 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 3: what you're doing, you know, I'm about to be. I'm 122 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 3: unemployed at the moment, not for long. Unemployed at the moment, 123 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 3: but we'll see, uh long, we'll remember what I said. Yeah, 124 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 3: we will revisit this and a couple before a couple 125 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 3: of weeks, about five days. What's to this day? I'd say, 126 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 3: give it a month. I'm enjoying my freedom right now. 127 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 3: It won't be a month. I'm enjoying my freedom right now. 128 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 3: Give you an give. 129 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 1: Them well, I mean, as we know, and I don't 130 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 1: know if this is I'm not saying anything out of 131 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: turn here because I don't know specifics, but we know 132 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: that there are a lot of teams because the compensatory 133 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: pick formula will wait until after the draft, like like 134 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: the Broncos for example, with JFM are a perfect or 135 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: a perfect one. 136 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 2: Right. 137 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: Even George Peyton said, we don't want to mess with that. 138 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: We want to keep our fourth rounder for next year. 139 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 3: And that's the biggest thing. So they're just teams are 140 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 3: starting to get these draft picks, and that's a changing 141 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 3: the way they're approaching free agency. And it's it's kind of, 142 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 3: I would say, an unintended consequence of the last CBA 143 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 3: adding this compressentory pick strategy into it. But now teams 144 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 3: go at a pause. It's like that first wave for 145 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 3: free agency. Then they wait till after the draft. You 146 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 3: might add somebody little here and there, but you hear it, 147 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 3: we really want to keep this four round pare I'm 148 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 3: we want to keep this third round pick. Maybe it 149 00:07:55,760 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 3: won't matter. But the coolest burrow is Brooklyn. It's I'm 150 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 3: just had friends that lived there. You know. If that 151 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 3: wasn't out, if it ended happen. Let's say I do 152 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 3: go to New York or whatever it'd. 153 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: Be in. 154 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 2: And I'm not Jersey City. 155 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, not not where every team stays 156 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 3: in the Western In Jersey City, no. 157 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 2: No, no way. I mean that's where the Broncos state 158 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 2: in Super Bowl fifty. Ah, that's right. 159 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: The John Harbaugh actually was talking to the media today 160 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: speaking of the Giants and he had a couple of 161 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: interesting moments. 162 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 2: He was talking about Dexter Larrence. 163 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: I actually a really fun Dexter Warren's stat that I 164 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: want to get to you guys with the second. But 165 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: this was John Harbaugh talking about how everybody is tradable 166 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: in the world. 167 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 2: And because he was asked about the Keevon Thibodeau. 168 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 4: I think he's a great player. I'm excited about him 169 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 4: as far up to see him today. He looks great, 170 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 4: it's in great shape, and I'm thinking about him on 171 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 4: the field. I'm thinking about getting plugged into our defense 172 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 4: and getting him rolling. I think, you know, you want 173 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 4: to talk about like wells he get trade possibility. Everybody 174 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 4: is tradeable, everybody you know, even you're a tradeable Dan, 175 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 4: we will get something for you. 176 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:04,839 Speaker 2: You're trade in a heartbeat, man. 177 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 4: But yeah, it's. 178 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 2: Not really what you focus on. 179 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 4: You focus on the fact that we're having a day, 180 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 4: we're talking ball, we're getting our team is coming together 181 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 4: there as a team. And the business part of it, 182 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 4: you know, is the business card and that it kind 183 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 4: of swirls around us. 184 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 2: But we try to lock in on the football. 185 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: It's such an interesting thing, right, I Mean, he's obviously 186 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 1: a head coach, but you get dropped into a new situation, 187 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: you get excited about the players that you do acquire, 188 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: and it's a constantly moving situation, right. I mean, yes, 189 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 1: the Jeff Hafley, it was the new Dolphins head coach, 190 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: and we have some sound from him that I want 191 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: to get to a little bit. But he was talking 192 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: about the players in the building and still getting to 193 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: know them, Like when you're a new coach and you're 194 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: coming into this situation. Yeah, I mean, you've seen these 195 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: guys on tape, you don't know them personally. I mean, 196 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: at least that's the vibe I get from Harbaugh as 197 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: well as from Halfley. It's like, yeah, I don't even 198 00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: know what kind of team I really have, which is 199 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: pretty wild. Think about the NFL and what we do 200 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: talking about it all the time. 201 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think I think it will take 202 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 2: It'll take a little bit of time for John Harbaugh 203 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 2: and his staff to sort of not dictate the terms, 204 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 2: but to convey to the team, Listen, this is what 205 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 2: we're looking for, right, this is the process we're gonna 206 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 2: put in place, and you know, hard work is going 207 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 2: to be important. There's all sorts of things that I 208 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 2: think you have to stipulate, even more so when you're 209 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 2: a new head coach. But frankly, I mean there's such 210 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 2: turnover on rosters every single year. I mean normally, you know, 211 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 2: thirty percent of your roster is going to change. So 212 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 2: even if you're not a new coach, but a coach 213 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 2: that has been at a particular place for two or 214 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 2: three seasons, you've got to convey to all those newcats, like, 215 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 2: here's how we do things. That's why I think leadership 216 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 2: amongst the players is so critical, because it's easier for 217 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 2: those leaders in the locker room to look at a 218 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 2: young dude and say, bro, here's here's how we do it. 219 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 2: This is not what we do other than rather than 220 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 2: a head coach or an assistant coach. 221 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 3: Man going off of what Daves just said, It's funny 222 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 3: because when I got traded to the Seahawks, you know, 223 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 3: they had this thing cast the Seahawks way, and obviously 224 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 3: it's just things ways they do things. Compete, you know, 225 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 3: well compete, but like it was something simple as we're 226 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 3: coming off the field, of practice. You know, it was 227 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 3: my first day of practice, and I think I walked off. 228 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 3: I like walked my way off the field, like I 229 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 3: didn't jog all the way off the field. And I 230 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 3: remember Quandary Diggs It's like, Yo, we don't do that here. 231 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 3: We don't do that here. We jog off the field. 232 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 3: And for some reason that stuck with me even to 233 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 3: this day because now I don't let anyon want to 234 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 3: walk off the field. It's like, oh, we jog off 235 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 3: the field. It's you know, it's that's why you need 236 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 3: those veterans like days, that you need those guys in there, 237 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 3: because what Harbo's that was true. Anybody can get traded, 238 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 3: Trust me, I don't. Anybody can get traded. And so 239 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 3: it's a matter of you know, well, obviously what you're 240 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 3: gonna get back in return, But then you gotta obviously 241 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 3: keep those guys who are the culture builders. You have 242 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 3: to keep those guys who set the tone for the 243 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 3: rest of the team and really for the young guys, 244 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 3: to let them know this is how we do things 245 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 3: here and anything less it's unacceptable. And you can and 246 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 3: you can be gone at any any moment if you're 247 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 3: not going to fall fall in line with what we 248 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 3: want to do. 249 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 1: I did think about you, Dave, when he said anybody 250 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,959 Speaker 1: can be traded. It reminded me of that was one 251 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: of the days a few weeks ago when you opened 252 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: the show You're all all replaceable? 253 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 2: Yea, all replaceable. I mean there's not been a guy 254 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 2: that has played in the NFL for more than a 255 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 2: minute that did not have it like smashed into your 256 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 2: brain stem that you are replaceable. We'll get somebody else 257 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 2: in here. It doesn't that your name plate will not 258 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 2: be your name plate tomorrow. It'll be somebody else's name 259 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 2: in your name plate's place. So that's part of what 260 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 2: makes the NFL successful because they breed insecurity and they 261 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 2: like it. They feel like they get more out of 262 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 2: their players if the players, you know, just every single 263 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 2: day think to themselves as they drive in, Hey, if 264 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 2: I don't get my best effort, if I don't play 265 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 2: well today, there's a chance I won't be here tomorrow. 266 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 2: That's a little bit of an overstatement, but not entirely, 267 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 2: you know, an overstatement. 268 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 3: That's just how the league functions. Well, I'll go back 269 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 3: to my rookie year I was in Oakland. I was 270 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 3: my first three games, I was an active and active 271 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 3: so I was on the fifty three, but I wasn't 272 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 3: one of the forty six. And I remember I can't 273 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 3: remember who he had just played. But we got home 274 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 3: and we had practice that Wednesday, and I've just started 275 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 3: going through the motion and I might, man, screw this, 276 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:58,319 Speaker 3: and you know, having a little timber tantrum, you could say, like, man, 277 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 3: screw this. So I'm not I'm not going hard. They're 278 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 3: not even playing me. They cut my ass the next 279 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 3: day and put me on practice squad like that's this 280 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 3: And this is also what you need vets for this 281 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 3: to relay to them that this can happen to anybody 282 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 3: at any moment. You're not guaranteed a spot here, and 283 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 3: you got to go prove it. You got to go 284 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 3: earn it every day and so like that. That's the 285 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 3: thing is, there's no loyalty in this game. If you're 286 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 3: going to go out there and not give them full effort, 287 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 3: you're going to go out there and kind of go 288 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 3: through the motions. The big the one saying that always 289 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 3: come to mind about the NFL is they're trying to 290 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 3: replace you the minute you get in the league. And 291 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 3: that has been ingrained in my head since I got 292 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 3: in the league and since that moment, and I obviously 293 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 3: I've made the most out of my career. But there's 294 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 3: a lot of guys that go through that and they 295 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 3: don't have to play again. So that's the hard part 296 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 3: about the league is it's a professional league or with 297 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 3: real emotions, and so you have to be able to 298 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 3: mix it. You have to be able to really keep 299 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 3: it separate. 300 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I've heard from almost every other NFL 301 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: player talking about playing with emotion as part of the game, right, 302 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: I mean, that's kind of how it gets you fired 303 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: up for it. 304 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 4: So Harbaugh was. 305 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: Obviously asked about Tivideau. He's also asked about Dexter Lawrence, 306 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: who's one of the premier defensive tackles nose tackles in 307 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: the league. I was thinking about this because this Warsharpe 308 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: put out this pretty wild stat about how many pressures 309 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: he's had since twenty twenty two. When you think about 310 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: like the best defensive tackles in the game, like Vita 311 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: Vea is a name that comes to mind right there 312 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: with Tampa Bay. He said, thirty two pressures since twenty 313 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: twenty two. DJ Jones is on this list. He has 314 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: twenty eight pressures since twenty twenty two. DJs Reider also 315 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: twenty eight. Jordan Davis as twenty six. For example, Dester 316 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: Lawrence is one hundred and eight. Is one hundred eight pressures. 317 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 3: Well, if you remember that year he got hurt, he 318 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 3: was on a tear. He had nine sacks and I 319 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:56,359 Speaker 3: think in like thirteen or fourteen games, and he was unstoppable, 320 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 3: unstoppable guy you really had the game plan for or 321 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 3: he was. He's a game wrecker. And so is he 322 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 3: number one? 323 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 2: Anothers oh yeah, bye? I mean who's number two? 324 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: Number two was Vidavea at thirty two. So since twenty 325 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: twenty two, it's Dexter Lawrence at one hundred and eights 326 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: and then Vida Vea, who I consider one of the 327 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: premier nose tackles, all the way down thirty two. It's 328 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: pretty pretty wild. So I guess the question I have 329 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: for both of you guys, and I'll start with Dave here. 330 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: So when it comes to a player that is that prolific, 331 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: he's obviously very good. 332 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 2: To Shelby's point, he's obviously very good. 333 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: Is he a function of the system the players around 334 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: him to put numbers up like that, or. 335 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 2: Is it just that dude? Is that dude both? I mean, 336 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 2: you're you're always, to a certain degree a part of 337 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 2: the system, right and you have to have guys playing 338 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 2: alongside you in that position that are going to understand 339 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 2: what their role is and at times they're gonna they're 340 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 2: gonna be called to do things where you can shine 341 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 2: and at times you're gonna be called to do the 342 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 2: very same thing. So but I've always thought Dexter Lawrence 343 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 2: just from an athletic standpoint, I mean, there are very 344 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 2: few humans in the world that are that size and 345 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 2: that athletic. I mean Shelby's athletic, but not as not 346 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 2: as big. Dexter Lawrence is a very huge, huge human being. 347 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 3: He has sixty pounds on me, and he moves like 348 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 3: he feels like, oh man, he the true athletes. 349 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 2: You just watch him move around like in warm ups. 350 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 2: Like in warm ups you say, Okay, that guy's different, 351 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 2: right there. 352 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 3: For a big dude to be as nimble as he is, 353 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 3: he raised a lot of problems, as you're gonna see 354 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 3: by the pressure chart. It's just it's it's really impressive 355 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 3: what he does with his size. You don't see a 356 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 3: lot of guys able to move the way he does 357 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 3: with power, with pure of power and can still move 358 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 3: and hit your edge. Uh you know, And that right 359 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 3: there is what you're looking for. That's the prototypical de tackle. 360 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 3: If you're talking about you want to you want a 361 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 3: guy to anger your defense. You want a guy that 362 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 3: can play like a nose, but then also play like 363 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 3: a pass rushing three tech. And that's what you're getting, 364 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 3: Dexter Lawrence. 365 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: So is it because of his size, Because I know 366 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: that you've had some time at knows as well. 367 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 2: Hate it is you guys that love playing nose. I 368 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 2: never played nose and you played. I mean, but I 369 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 2: don't remember ever talking to a guy that he's like, 370 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 2: oh man, it's the greatest thing in the world. Can 371 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 2: you get in there and just get pinballed by a 372 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 2: guard in his center on every single play? 373 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 3: Like I would like it more if I played it 374 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 3: in more of a Cleveland defense the nose, because at 375 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 3: least we're generating forward probably you know, we're hitting it, 376 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 3: we're hitting gaps. When I played that here in Denver 377 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 3: with Vic and I was going side to side, man, 378 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 3: I was that was one of the worst times of 379 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 3: my life because it's it's just like like Day said, 380 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 3: you're always getting hit by one or two people, at 381 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 3: least two people every play, and it's just it's uncomfortable 382 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 3: if you don't have that body type like a DJ Jones, 383 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. DJ might not be three thirty, 384 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 3: but he's stout and strong enough that he can do that. 385 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 3: We have two completely different body types. I like to 386 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 3: get I like to go upfield more than I guess 387 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 3: a lot of other people do. But man like I 388 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 3: doesn't think DJ is great at that? Yeah, great at 389 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 3: that because it's it's a skill. Like playing that nose 390 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 3: is a true skill because you have to know how 391 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 3: to go from being physical to getting skinny and hit 392 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 3: the edges right after popping somebody. Somebody come hits your hip, 393 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 3: they leave you, you get off the block. And I've 394 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 3: seen DJ doing a bunch of times go and make 395 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 3: the play and it takes a special type of play 396 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 3: and I couldn't do it. And so that's why I 397 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 3: I always get kudos to the ones that can. 398 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: So is is Dexter Lawrence one of one like because 399 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: he's crossing a trade like is he as far as 400 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: you view like those times mean that number by itself, 401 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: the pressures is what it is. I guess I'm not 402 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: saying I thought they were all sort of interchangeable because 403 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: I know what really good ones. But I always again 404 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: I thought v to A was like, that's what I 405 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 1: think about the pro typical nose tackle. That's the dude, 406 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 1: and this guy has seventy more pressures than he does. 407 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 2: I've got to be honest about it. I haven't spent 408 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 2: any time studying nose tackles, okay, but I have seen 409 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 2: and called enough football to know that Dexter Lawrence is 410 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 2: a wrecking house. Although Vidavea I think is similar in 411 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 2: terms of like how he plays. I think if you 412 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 2: talk to offensive lineman when they play Tampa, I mean, 413 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 2: that's that's the name, they'll come up a lot. Yeah, right, 414 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 2: Vitave is like, Okay, he's he's not a lot of 415 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 2: fun to play against. He's active, he's big, big, tough, 416 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 2: so yeah, but Dexter, to me, that's why I thought 417 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 2: it was a little bit funny yesterday when Ian said, 418 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,360 Speaker 2: you know, Dexel Lawrence didn't have a very good year 419 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 2: last year, and I'm thinking, would there be team I'm 420 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 2: not disputing that, But would there be teams out there 421 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 2: that would look at Dexter Lawrence played last year and say, Nope, 422 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 2: not doing not gonna take that guy. I see. I 423 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 2: don't think so either. I think he will be coveted. 424 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 2: And you know, it's just a matter of if the Giants, 425 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 2: you know, you got a new staff in with John Harbaugh, 426 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 2: you might replace. You might be after another veteran defensive 427 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 2: tackle somewhere in the league that currently's you know, maybe 428 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 2: out there and available. Maybe and uh so, maybe maybe 429 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 2: you make the best deal you can and move Dexean 430 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 2: Lawrence on. But there will be people that will be 431 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 2: absolutely in hot, multiple. 432 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 3: First round picks. You're talking about guys twenty eight years old, 433 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 3: multiple time off. Like this guy is a rare find 434 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 3: of someone that's going to be available. Like if you 435 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 3: do move on from him, you expect the King's Hall 436 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 3: for it. Like that's that's the type of player that 437 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 3: Dexter Lawrence is is just like we were talking about 438 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 3: Max Crosby, I'm expecting even more. 439 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 2: For Dexter Lawrence. How about our stop stop, stop stop. 440 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 2: How's Dave's Nuggets doing? Stop the Nuggets last night? Down 441 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 2: sixteen in the fourth, find a way to come back, 442 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 2: win an overtime, second consecutive overtime victory. 443 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: Nine game winning streak, leave the NBA longest winning streak 444 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: in the NBA right now, nine games. 445 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 2: I was joker, not the front runner for MVP right now. 446 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 2: That guy, I'm just fatigued. 447 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 3: You can't have that much fatigue where he doesn't get 448 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 3: it for a couple of years and he's still his 449 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 3: stats keep getting better and better and better, and I 450 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 3: get it. We you know, it's kind of like the 451 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 3: Kobe argument when people say that Steve Dash has one 452 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:08,360 Speaker 3: of Kobe's MVPs. I truly believe that. I truly believe 453 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 3: that we are not we're being disingenuous. We have to 454 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 3: understand that we've seen some of the best basketball that 455 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 3: is being played ever, and I want to sit there 456 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 3: and enjoy it. But I just, key, I don't understand 457 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 3: how he's not the front runner or fan VP. 458 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 2: Sure you do. I mean, first of all, we're here 459 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 2: in Denver, right so there's an East Coast bias because 460 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 2: they see a whole bunch more of games back there 461 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 2: than they do out here. There's a bias because he's 462 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 2: done it differently than anybody else that's been an MVP. 463 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 2: There hasn't been an MVP that has like looked like 464 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 2: him and had the game that he has. And it's 465 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 2: a hard game unless you see it all the time 466 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,239 Speaker 2: like we do, and we've come to appreciate it and 467 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 2: love it. But if you look at it like on 468 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 2: Sports Center, you know, highlights, it's it's hard to appreciate. 469 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 2: But I mean, he is, and I've said this before, 470 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 2: he's a generational talent. And I just hope that we 471 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 2: get a chance to see him play here in Denver 472 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 2: for another whatever, however long he wants to do it, five, six, 473 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 2: seven years. 474 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: I hope he's averaging during this nine game win streak 475 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: twenty seven, fourteen and thirteen. 476 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 2: How we doing twenty seven fourteen to thirteen average average 477 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 2: for nine games? 478 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 3: Yes, most assistany's averaging a season in his career at 479 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 3: ten point nine, he's averaging a triple double. 480 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the guy who may finish second, may 481 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 2: finish second in the MVP balloting is Victor Wimbannam. Most 482 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 2: people that I've seen on a national basis that talk 483 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 2: about the MVP say, well, I love Wimbanyama. Because of 484 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,479 Speaker 2: his defensive ability. That's what really sets him apart in 485 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 2: terms of like why I'm voting for him to be 486 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 2: either first or second in the MVP voting. Joker took 487 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 2: him to the woodshed for like what he had forty 488 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 2: and and uh, you know, nine rebounds in fifteen. It's 489 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:20,479 Speaker 2: just even seeing him every not every game, it's still 490 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 2: remarkable to see this cat play. I remember he missed 491 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 2: was it fifteen? Not even fifteen games? I remember how 492 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 2: any games he missed in James, Yeah. 493 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 3: With the knee Injin yeah yeah, but that might have 494 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 3: heard him only because the team was still winning. And 495 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 3: I get it, though, ten and six without him, because 496 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 3: we don't they don't actually mean the most valuable player 497 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:49,479 Speaker 3: we like, and that's where the questions come from. They 498 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 3: don't actually mean the most valuable player because the Nuggets, 499 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 3: I get it. Nuggers went ten and six without him. 500 00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 3: They stand no chance in the playoffs without to call 501 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 3: you at all. But the Spurs don't either. But our 502 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 3: team that can still compete would be the Thunder and 503 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 3: they would have they was. I think they could still 504 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 3: win the first round without SGA. Now after that it 505 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 3: would be a toss up. 506 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 2: That they're getting tossed. 507 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 3: But but then if you looking at Victim Wamayana, the 508 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 3: team is like seven and one without him. I think 509 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 3: Nicolayogus by far is the most valuable player to his 510 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 3: team in the NBA. 511 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 2: It's undeniable at this point for me. 512 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 1: But the point is going to make is he missed 513 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: all those games, he's still right now leading the league 514 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: in double doubles, triple doubles, rebounds per game, assists per game. 515 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: He is number one in the NBA and assists per game. 516 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: He is sixth and plus minus seventh in points per game, 517 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: and tenth in field goal percentage. 518 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 2: And he just does it in uh sort of fast. 519 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 2: He just goes out there and whoops everybody's ass. I 520 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 2: mean makes in credible shots like you know the fade away. Yeah, 521 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 2: it's like that's a shot like you would try in 522 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 2: a game of horse, Like I'm gonna shoot this high enough, 523 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 2: it'll top touch the top of the backboard and they'll 524 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 2: drop in. He makes shots like that, almost done, irregular, 525 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 2: I still my face. 526 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 1: I mean there's also great shots, but the one he 527 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: did over Anthony Davis in the playoffs. See as the 528 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,120 Speaker 1: Lakers are from the beyond the arc at the top 529 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: of the I mean. 530 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't want to start laughing, started laughing. Yeah, 531 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 2: it basically won the game, and Lakers and and even 532 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 2: even Lebron had to just start what can you do? 533 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,360 Speaker 3: But that's also I think part of his problem is 534 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 3: that he's not an athletically flashy player, and so you 535 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 3: don't expect a player who's putting up these numbers to 536 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 3: do with five inches from the ground, like you know 537 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,719 Speaker 3: what I mean, like this, like he does these things 538 00:27:55,320 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 3: against athletic players and dominates them like you as you 539 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 3: talking about against against You've seen it against Anthony Davis. 540 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 2: You've seen it. 541 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 3: He does it against far superior athletic players, and he's 542 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 3: still constantly produces, like you can't ask for anything better. 543 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 2: You get a little worried, aren't you? And you have 544 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 2: to be worried about what I have been rooting for 545 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 2: the worried. You pick Minnesota in Oak City, and even 546 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 2: you're certainly worried about Minnesota, but even Oak City and 547 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 2: they'll have the first seed. You're getting a little bit 548 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 2: concerned about. Oh my goodness, I guess. 549 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: If there's any concern, it's this twist I might be 550 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: narrative that you're going to try to display in front 551 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: of everybody. 552 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 2: I don't have to display anything. You're you know, people 553 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 2: actually listen to the show, so let's not get this twisted. 554 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 3: People. 555 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 2: People know exactly that you have been an Oklahoma City 556 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 2: fan and you were scared of Minnesota a couple of 557 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 2: years ago. Remember that I was here for that. You 558 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 2: were there, We were all here and people listening in 559 00:28:59,720 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 2: the show. 560 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: It's okay, you want to give some love to Aaron 561 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: Gordon before we hit two shots at the end, the 562 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: three from the corner. 563 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 2: Which was the two but right, uh and I think 564 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 2: they gave it one that broke the tie. Yeah yeah, 565 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 2: and then they came down and tied the game. Yeah right. 566 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 2: And then and then Joker had like a hook and 567 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 2: then like it just a put back and grab his head, 568 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 2: you know, man. But it's it's so fun. The key 569 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 2: again is getting everybody healthy. It looks like, I mean, 570 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 2: I'm anxious to hear about what if we hear what 571 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 2: the update is. I'm Peyton Watson. I do. I mean, 572 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 2: I think they need that due to be available and 573 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:40,719 Speaker 2: able to play. 574 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 3: No, but the issue, and I guess I've seen it. 575 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 3: And it's a questionable thing to say, but Aaron Gordon 576 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 3: actually might be the most valuable player of the Nuggets. 577 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 3: Absolutely when he's in there, it's a complete difference. He 578 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 3: does everything. You see a different effort from everybody around. 579 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 3: You see that veteran presence that they know he's going 580 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 3: to go hard, so we gotta go hard too. And 581 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 3: I think you saw the team fall apart bornher. Aaron 582 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 3: Gordon was hurt than necessarily compared to when Nicole Yakus 583 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 3: was hurt. 584 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: The text line, Dave, you can't be surprised that moral victory. 585 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: Ryan was just happy to get the cover from Yukon 586 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: last night. And when they gladly accepts one run losses 587 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: in baseball as a pseudo victory, what do you expect? 588 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, the Rockies hit a big win 589 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 2: last About the Rockies. That was a big one. Hey, 590 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 2: you must understand my entire arguments. But nobody saw it. 591 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 2: Not really, No, they didn't really do. 592 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: First of all, on top of it, I had no 593 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: real rooting interest in Yukon versus Michigan. 594 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 2: I just wanted to see a good game. 595 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: But as it got later, then I got excited about 596 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: the cover, which was much more interesting to me at 597 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: that point than the game outcome last night. 598 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, last night, and last night was still Monday, right, indeed, 599 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 2: and we'll figure out who wins the week by Friday. 600 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: Theoretically, yes, enough said okay, but then with the Rockies, 601 00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: very quickly with the Rockies, understand, this is me being optimistic. 602 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: This is me saying watching these games be competitive, which 603 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: again the Rockies over the last few years, even last 604 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: night as an example, I think, down three to nothing, 605 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: how many games have we watched over the last few years, 606 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: but they just lose that game. 607 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 2: It's like, hey, they're already difference in last night's game. 608 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 2: They came back to win. So if they so, they're 609 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 2: down three to nothing. So if they would have scored 610 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 2: a run in the fourth and a run in the 611 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 2: eighth and lost three to two, that would have been 612 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 2: a victory for you. Yeah you pause, you paused. I mean, 613 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 2: it was everything I think. 614 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: What was impressive to me not they had the eight 615 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: run inning and then and then actually the Astros came 616 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: back and a couple more runs and made it interesting 617 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: there in the night. They had a couple of base runners, 618 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: they held them off. My point was watching them, even 619 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: in some of these close losses is encouraging. That's really 620 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: what I was coming from in my original. 621 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 2: You were the one. That's when when I said moral victory, 622 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 2: you agreed with that term. 623 00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: I agree with it because I know there's no other 624 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: way to describe it other than l You. 625 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 2: Either win or you lose. That's you know what you 626 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 2: can you can feel like you're making progress, but you 627 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 2: either win or you lose. We're looking for progress all 628 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 2: the time. You can, you can make progress in a loss, 629 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 2: but it's still a lost. It's not a moral victory. 630 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, but he gets painted with this broad brush of like, wow, 631 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: you're a losing team records, I know, but but you've 632 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: been one nineteen losses, Like. 633 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 2: So yes, it's good, you know. 634 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's into the end of the season 635 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: conversations I'm talking about right now, in the midst of 636 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: are you on the right trudience? 637 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 2: I'm simply trying to establish what your mindset is on this. 638 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 2: I just you're I mean, you're all you're like a 639 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 2: Miller month and his still let me take a stab 640 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 2: at this. Not a great idiot, Thank you Jesus. I've 641 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 2: thought about what I mean, you've seen they're all over 642 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 2: the place. Man. 643 00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 3: No, but I think when it comes to the Rockies, 644 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 3: you know, anything is better than last year. And right 645 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 3: now there are four and six, and even though they 646 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 3: are under five hundred, that's a positive for this. 647 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 2: I don't disagree with it. With four losses coming by 648 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 2: one run, they're playing better. Now you lose, you lose 649 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 2: me on that. Though they're playing better baseball, I'm with you. 650 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 2: Uh is encouraging. I'm with that. And then here you 651 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 2: chime in and for those losses are by one, that 652 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 2: doesn't matter. 653 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 3: They lost those games. Yeah, losses a loss, So I 654 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 3: will go with David Matt. But it is encouraging though, 655 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 3: because they're not just those four wins are against quality opponents. 656 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 3: Quality opponents. It's not just like, oh yeah the Miami Marlins, 657 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 3: who actually are also pre get hurt. Yeah, who swept 658 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 3: the Rockies. 659 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Phillies were a good team too. 660 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 3: Exactly, The Phillies were a good team. The Astros are 661 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 3: a good team. So they're winning against some real good 662 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 3: talent right now. So it is a reason to be optimist. 663 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 2: We're still four and six and those one run losses 664 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 2: are just that, just. 665 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: The saying that you are what your record says you are. 666 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: I think doesn't apply here, that's all. 667 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 2: It doesn't apply. It does not. I'm gonna go get 668 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,959 Speaker 2: a couple of orange slices. I'll be back. I would 669 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 2: love some orange slices. You've had enough in your life. 670 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: When we come back, Coach Prime turning over new leaf, 671 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: maybe we'll get to it.