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Speaker 1: We welcome out of the program the greatest outside linebacker

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Speaker 1: of all time, a four time Super Bowl champion, member

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Speaker 1: of the Pro and College Football Halls of Fame, and

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Speaker 1: the pride of John's Tom Bishop McCourt. It's a pleasure

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Speaker 1: to welcome back Jack Ham. Jack, we have sad news

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Speaker 1: to discuss the passing of your teammate on the Super

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Speaker 1: Steelers of the seventies, safety Mike Wagner a very underrated

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Speaker 1: component of that defense.

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Speaker 2: Correct, without a doubt, mark very underrated.

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Speaker 3: He really was the glue back there in the secondary,

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Speaker 3: and you made all the calls in the secondary to

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Speaker 3: change coverages, gave quarterbacks a lot of bad pre reads

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Speaker 3: by his alignment. Smart football player, and you need a

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Speaker 3: guy like that, you need you have the Joe Greens

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Speaker 3: and the Jack Lamberts, but you needed Mike Wagner to

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Speaker 3: be that kind of glue in a defense, and he

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Speaker 3: was outstanding at it.

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Speaker 1: And I've got the impression everything that was said since

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Speaker 1: Mike passed, but really before as well, that Mike was

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Speaker 1: incredibly respected among his peers, among you guys, his teammates, mean,

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Speaker 1: Joe Green called him the quarterback of the defense.

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Speaker 4: And like you said, he was an.

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Speaker 2: Anchor, oh, without a doubt.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like I said, you know, you had mel

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Speaker 3: Blood on the outside, and sometimes Mike would on his

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Speaker 3: field to help out or double somebody else. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: mean the play he made against Roger Staubach in the

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl Super Bowl ten, brilliant super Bowl was just

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Speaker 3: a brilliant move. They had made a play to Drew

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Speaker 3: Pearson early in the first quarter on that same alignment,

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Speaker 3: the same formation, and he jumped the route and against

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Speaker 3: Staubacher is a very smart quarterback, Mike Wager out smarted

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Speaker 3: him on a big play in that game.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: I always felt with that defense, you guys had jack

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Speaker 1: that the hole was greater than the sum of the parts.

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Speaker 1: And that's despite I mean, how many Hall of Famers,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like I said, I mean, you people

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Speaker 3: always talk about mel Blunt and the outside in a

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Speaker 3: great corner and could take away anybody's wide receiver. But

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Speaker 3: when you had to have a guy supporting the run.

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Speaker 3: He never took a false step mark where he'd take

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Speaker 3: a one step back and then towards a line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 3: Very intelligent player. He would read the offensive line better

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Speaker 3: than anybody. And when you talk about safeties in today's game,

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Speaker 3: where they come and crowd the line of scrimmage, that's

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Speaker 3: what Mike Wagner did for us.

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Speaker 2: In the running game.

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Speaker 3: There was a time when he was one of the

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Speaker 3: not behind Jack Lambert, maybe the second leading tackler on

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Speaker 2: For in a lot of those running plays.

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Speaker 3: Just a great football player and a great friend of mine,

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Speaker 3: and I will miss him now.

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Speaker 1: You guys had a hard hitting deep and Wags was

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Speaker 1: no exception to that.

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Speaker 5: Was he?

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Speaker 2: Oh oh, without a doubt.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Mike, I can remember him taking on Earl

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Speaker 3: he was always a guy who was very physical. He

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Speaker 3: But along with him and Glenn Edwards and Donnie Schell,

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you talk about the great Hall

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Speaker 2: In one of those as well.

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Speaker 3: But you need those kind of guys on your football

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: I always felt that Wags and obviously people still talk

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Speaker 1: I always felt that those two were Hall of Fame caliber,

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Speaker 3: to remember, Mike wager also had five intercept in the postseason,

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Speaker 3: That's a guy who's very you know, he's very precise.

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Speaker 2: Mike was not that he was very aggressive.

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Speaker 3: That's how he got the interception against Staubuck and that's

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Speaker 1: We're talking to Pro Football Hall of Famer Jack Camp

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Speaker 1: about Mike Wagner here on the Mark Madden Show. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: five picks in the postseason. That that does say an

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Speaker 1: And this applied to you, Jack, And you know I

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Speaker 3: he's a smart guy. I mean, he was an eleventh

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Speaker 2: He knew what he could do on the field. I mean,

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Speaker 3: And I'll tell you, Mark, at times, Bud Carson, our

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Speaker 1: Now, as you mentioned, I know you and Mike were

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Speaker 2: Oh? Without it? Without a doubt?

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Speaker 3: When you play together that long a period of time,

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Speaker 1: Now, it's worth noting Mike was very successful after football,

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Speaker 2: I without a doubt.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you just knew when you first met Mike

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Speaker 1: I wish you guys had made more money because you

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you're exactly right, because I think a lot

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Speaker 3: But that's what Mike was all about all the time.

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Speaker 3: He was just a guy.

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Speaker 2: You knew that he was going to make it and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned the interception Mike made in Super Bowl ten,

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Speaker 1: what else I remember from that game, Jackets a one

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Speaker 1: Wags deflected the ball and I remember thinking, boy, I

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Speaker 3: First Super Bowl I think where Glenn Edwards took the

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Speaker 2: They should have interaccepted the football.

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Speaker 4: Jack before we let you go.

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Speaker 1: You are the analysts for Penn State football, have been

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Speaker 4: What's your take on the new head coach.

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Speaker 1: Matt Campbell's see between hiring him and keeping Terry Smith

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Speaker 1: that things worked out pretty good.

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Speaker 2: It really has.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 1: Drew Aller played quarterback at Penn State and certainly showed

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Speaker 1: many good flashes, but got banged up this past year.

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Speaker 4: What kind of NFL potential do you think he has.

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Speaker 3: Well stock is, no question has gone down after what

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Speaker 2: No question he has a lot of talent.

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Speaker 4: Amen to that.

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Speaker 1: Jack, Thank you for joining me, and I never thank.

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Speaker 4: You on the air.

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Speaker 1: The radio show we did for twelve to fifty way

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Speaker 3: I always enjoyed it, Mark, I really was. Was I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when the guy brought the bag that appeared to

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Speaker 4: But besides that, right, I.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Too many times when you were talking to people.

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Speaker 1: Had all worked out well, Jack, Again, my condolence is

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Speaker 4: Hope we talk soon.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Mark, take care.

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Speaker 1: That's the great Jack cam four times super Bowl champion,

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Speaker 4: About the refereeing in today's game.

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Speaker 1: Beating greatest hockey country in the world and Canadian referee

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Speaker 4: What a joke.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but it was a penalty. McKinnon got clonked in

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Speaker 1: But that's just a great point. This will be the

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Speaker 6: Hi, Mark, good afternoon, Mark. I just wanted to buttress

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Speaker 5: But give the other teams in this town a pass.

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Speaker 6: For example, everybody's losing their minds because Sid's over at

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Speaker 6: a peep about Skiings going to this stupid World Baseball

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Speaker 6: going to that. I mean, I don't want the pro

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Speaker 6: But nobody's saying a peep about Skiings. And he's more

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Speaker 1: other than that, Tim, you're spot on that World Baseball

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Speaker 1: Classic means nothing whatsoever, and especially not compared to the Olympics,

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Speaker 4: But you're right, the usual suspects.

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Speaker 1: They want to put Sid under the microscope, as you

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Speaker 5: Yep, I couldn't agree with you more.

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Speaker 6: Mark, And let's see if somebody changes her tun as

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Speaker 6: and it's just further proof if they don't say anything.

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Speaker 6: You know, what's good for the goose is good for

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Speaker 4: Tim, you are Numero uno in my book. Let's go

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Speaker 7: Hey, Mark, thanks for taking my call. With the uncertainty

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Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, you're trying to be funny in fam

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Speaker 4: He's letting down his employer, He's letting down the city

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Speaker 1: The US men's hockey team meets Slovakia today in the

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Speaker 1: USA currently up two nil on Slovakia a little over

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Speaker 4: He's Matt Bartkowski.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Bart What did you think of the Canada against Finland game?

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Speaker 1: Canada certainly got some calls. What did you make of

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Speaker 4: I thought the high stick was a good call.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I thought the most questionable call was I

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Speaker 1: But some of the flaws you describe are definitely legit

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Speaker 1: we know that.

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00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:57,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, he'll definitely battle with how deep Canada is? I

445
00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:02,080
Speaker 5: don't know if they need them. I'm I mean there's there.

446
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,200
Speaker 5: You look up and down the line up. I mean

447
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 5: today what they had celebrating McKinnon and McDavid playing. Ever

448
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,400
Speaker 5: since Sid's been hurt, they've had that as a line

449
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 5: so really they need him. And then they had Bennett

450
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 5: playing with Marshaw today that was unbelievable. Could they use him? Yeah? Absolutely.

451
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 5: I mean the guys won everything at any level. It

452
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 5: doesn't really matter where he plays, and he's been here before.

453
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 5: I don't think they need him to beat the Americans.

454
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 5: But does it help. Yeah, I mean you're talking about

455
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:42,959
Speaker 5: Sidney Crosby here.

456
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, it's seventy or whatever.

457
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 1: Okay, he's not gonna go out there and dominate the game,

458
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 1: but he's still the guy that could determine the result

459
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 1: at the moment of truth.

460
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 4: The trick will be to get to that moment of truth.

461
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

462
00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 5: I don't play him though, I mean, especially because Doubs

463
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 5: is part of the management staff. So you're starting to

464
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 5: think about, Okay, well, how are the Penn's doing post

465
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 5: break and right now they're in second place in the division.

466
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 4: So I don't think you can figure that part.

467
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 1: I don't think sid will think that either, and I

468
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,120
Speaker 1: don't think Dubas and his context.

469
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 5: Will I don't think Sid's thinking about that, but I'm

470
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 5: sure that conversation is being had, and it's definitely in

471
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 5: the back of Dubas's mind. I mean, think about the

472
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 5: team they have this year, in how the Pens are doing.

473
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,399
Speaker 5: I mean, they're definitely exceeding expectations, and he's in the

474
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,919
Speaker 5: toughest spot as far as a GM right now. Everybody

475
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 5: thought that they wouldn't do this well, they were in

476
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,360
Speaker 5: sort of a rebuild here, and now all of a sudden, heck,

477
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 5: they're in the second in playoffs. So I'm I'm sure

478
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,880
Speaker 5: it's in the back of his mind. And but you're

479
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 5: right as far as sid standpoint, if he thinks he

480
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 5: can play, he's going to play, whether or not that

481
00:22:55,240 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 5: matters with him as seventy percent compared to Bennett at

482
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 5: one hundred percent. I don't know I would take Sid

483
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 5: at seventy percent, but we'll see, We'll see what happens.

484
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 5: I mean, I if I'm him, I'm gonna try and play.

485
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 5: If I'm the team and and I'm the management and everything,

486
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 5: I'm gonna try and send him out at seventy percent.

487
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 1: We're talking about Bartkowski here on one O five ninety

488
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 1: x Uh. Canada's defense isn't great, is it.

489
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 3: Uh.

490
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 1: I thought they should have rostered Schaeffer and Bouchard and

491
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 1: I don't think they have enough puck movers and that

492
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:31,400
Speaker 1: could hurt him.

493
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Speaker 4: In the final.

494
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think when Morrissey got hurt yeah earlier

495
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,679
Speaker 5: what game one? I mean, I think that definitely hurt him.

496
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 5: We saw Forako out there a little bit today. Theodore

497
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 5: get more time. I think he's a very good deed,

498
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,680
Speaker 5: but not the same player as a Borsi or like

499
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 5: a Shaffer. And I think that's the big knock on

500
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 5: on everything going on right now. But if we go

501
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 5: back and you know, LEMI what and't picked to play

502
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 5: and what was it eighty eighty eight or whatever it

503
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,439
Speaker 5: was before my time, But and then Sid wasn't picked,

504
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 5: and now Schaeffer's not picked. So I would have taken

505
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 5: Shaffer on the team. But that's how Canada hockey operates.

506
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,679
Speaker 5: You gotta pay your dues or whatever they want to call.

507
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 1: It was even worse. Sid didn't get picked when he

508
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: was a rookie for Canada. But you didn't get picked

509
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 1: for World Juniors like and he had like a y

510
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: seventy goal season. Can you believe that, but you like that.

511
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 1: But he he committed the sinna be in French.

512
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, well, and I grew up playing for George Ferguson,

513
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 5: so I know how much how much that means Canadian

514
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 5: so uh anyway, but uh, yeah, it's just I would

515
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 5: have picked Schaefer, especially in this situation, because you have

516
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 5: a guy like Morrissey who can move the puck. Is

517
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 5: is that type of events when you need and then

518
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 5: he gets hurt and it's like, Okay, who do we

519
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 5: go to? We got Colton Paraico, who's a totally different

520
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 5: defenseman and given the circumstances, can't play that role.

521
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 4: So Sanheim too. I'm not crazy about Sandheim.

522
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, but anymore, I mean, especially in the gold medal games,

523
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 5: I mean the carr is gonna play thirty what He's

524
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 5: gonna play thirty minutes if he wants to. It's true

525
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 5: thaves Old. Yeah, Tave's gonna end up playing twenty five

526
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 5: with him. So they have enough deaths to figure it out.

527
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 5: But at the end of the day, you know, they

528
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 5: they should have taken Shaeffer.

529
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 2: Uh.

530
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,479
Speaker 4: What's your take on the US team in general?

531
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Speaker 1: They've looked even better than I thought they left some

532
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: guys off that I would have picked. But but I

533
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: don't see any real regrets in that regard like I.

534
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 4: Do with Canada.

535
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 5: No, they they they're doing about as good as I

536
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,959
Speaker 5: thought they would do, honestly. I mean, well, I had

537
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 5: high expectations just because the talent pool they have to

538
00:25:59,359 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 5: begin was.

539
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 4: But I mean that Puck movie. Yeah, and quinn U, Yeah,

540
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 4: I know he was good. Bart I didn't know he

541
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 4: was this bah man.

542
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, he he is that good and I'm glad you

543
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 5: brought that up. I mean not only that goalie scored

544
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 5: in the last game, but just watching him game in

545
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 5: and game out, and people will finally get to see him.

546
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 5: I mean, he's been in Vancouver for these years, and

547
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 5: now in Minnesota he might get a little more exposure.

548
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 5: But he is good, like he does not make really

549
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 5: a mistake and defensively, he's not going to overpower. He's

550
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 5: not a big guy, but he's in the right position

551
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 5: like that. That kid knows how to play hockey. And

552
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 5: the other thing is their goaltending. Last game, hellabuck. I

553
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 5: mean that first, that first period, the first ten minutes,

554
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 5: especially against the Swedes. The sweet you know us was

555
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 5: taken taking on water heavy and Helibuk just stood on

556
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 5: his head. So that's that's one of the other teams

557
00:26:59,440 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 5: that I was.

558
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: Saying, how are our guys playing, uh, tro Check and Miller.

559
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,719
Speaker 1: I think Vince is doing a great job on penalty

560
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: kill especially Yeah.

561
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 5: They're they're they're playing well. I mean, it's just great

562
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 5: to see him play too. Like, Honestly, if they ended

563
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 5: up turning over a puck and and in messing the

564
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 5: whole thing up, I really wouldn't care. It's just so

565
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 5: cool to see them play succeed being from Pittsburgh. But

566
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 5: you know, they are doing well, Like especially Vince faith offs,

567
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 5: They're using them in every every situation. At the end

568
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 5: of the game, there JT and Vince being able to

569
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 5: kill off well. I mean they got scored on, but

570
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 5: not totally their fault, but they're out there on the

571
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 5: six on five. I mean, it's just awesome to see

572
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 5: guys from Pittsburgh out there and then bucking it up

573
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,360
Speaker 5: today in the Slovakian game so far from what we've seen,

574
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 5: like JT getting involved just hitting guys. You know, it's

575
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 5: just awesome to see guys from Pittsburgh doing that well.

576
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: I thought JP and Peterson might have a reunion when

577
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: when the US played Sweden.

578
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, not on the international stage. I mean everybody was

579
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 5: looking for that last year.

580
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: Not in a close game anyway. Now, we talked about

581
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: the goaltending. And by the way, I don't think Bennington's terrible.

582
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: I think Hullabuck's better. But Bennington in a big game,

583
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 1: he's He's proven himself enough for me. But what about coaching?

584
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: Who is the edge in that US Canada game? Cooper

585
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: or Sully?

586
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 2: Geez?

587
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 5: I mean at that level, I'm not sure that it

588
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 5: really matters, you know what I mean, Like, you're more

589
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 5: of a motivator, right.

590
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: No question, But Cooper, if it comes down to matchups,

591
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: I don't know how much matchups matter in this game

592
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: or how much do you think they do.

593
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 4: But Cooper's better at that than Sully.

594
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,959
Speaker 5: I think matchups would matter more to Canada because they

595
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 5: have more ammunition. I think so, Tom, I think they have. Yeah,

596
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 5: I think they have more to pick from and who

597
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 5: they can get them out against. As far as straight

598
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 5: up coaching, it's a dead heat on that one. That's fair.

599
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 5: You gotta lean on the assistance as well. I think, uh,

600
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 5: Canada's power play probably has an advantage Bruce Cassidy. I mean,

601
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 5: he's one of the greatest power play tacticians in the

602
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 5: history of the game.

603
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 4: Absolutely true.

604
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 5: If it's if it's on can if it's on US,

605
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 5: And I'm assuming David Quinn would run the power play

606
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 5: for them, so I would take Bruce Cassidy over him

607
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 5: every day.

608
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 4: But five nothing as far as five.

609
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 5: On five and and just straight up, I'm sure. I'm

610
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 5: sure the pressure is on John Cooper.

611
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, no, I well there's pressure on both,

612
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: Like I mean, there's always gonna be more pressure on

613
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: Canada because it's their national export.

614
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 5: Uh.

615
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: The US feels like it should win, but Canada has

616
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: to win. It's just it's just everything up there.

617
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 3: Uh.

618
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: But but yeah, you know, you you bring up a

619
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: good point about about about the coaching, about the pressure.

620
00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 4: I don't know. To me though, it's really an EA

621
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 4: even matchup, I.

622
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: Can't I mean, I think the US is probably gonna win,

623
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure I can say why, and I'm

624
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: not sure how good I feel about that.

625
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, I honestly, I think it's just gonna be a

626
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 5: good game. I mean, based on how the other ones

627
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 5: have gone, especially Canada playing Finland today that was a

628
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 5: lot closer and then I think everybody thought it would

629
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 5: have been this game right now that's going on it

630
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 5: Slovaks kind of I'll kick their coverage, but it'll probably

631
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 5: be a carryover from what we saw on the Four Nations.

632
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 5: You know, it's just who wants it more, And to

633
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 5: be honest, it's going to be on the players. I

634
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 5: don't think coaching. They can they can put out their

635
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 5: systems whatever they want to do, but at the end

636
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 5: of the day, it's going to be on the players

637
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 5: and who wants it more.

638
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: No, I especially in a match up as even as

639
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: this one. Let me tell you one thing that worries

640
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: me about the US on their behalf, they're taking a

641
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: lot of penalties.

642
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 4: Even today in the Slovake game.

643
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: I know, it's kind of garbage time because you know

644
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna win that game, but a lot of penalties parts.

645
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, definitely a lot of penalties. But you like

646
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 5: to think when it comes to the gold medal game,

647
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 5: they a little a little more go right, like they'll

648
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 5: let them play a little rougher. They're going to be

649
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:15,959
Speaker 5: playing the Canadians.

650
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 4: Especially especially as the game goes deeper, Yeah, I think

651
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 4: so too.

652
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, and especially it's probably gonna be ref by NHL

653
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 5: reffs and they know all the guys, so we'll we'll

654
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 5: see how it goes. But I I really I don't

655
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:31,719
Speaker 5: see that being a problem.

656
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: No, No, I I think it's the game everybody. Here's

657
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: my other worry too. Whenever you get to the game,

658
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: everybody waited for. That game tends to disappoint. There's no

659
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: tangible reason to expect that.

660
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 5: But you know what I mean, Yeah, No, I know

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Speaker 5: what you mean. And and I think the way that

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Speaker 5: that happens is if one of the goaltenders let us

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Speaker 5: down and starts letting in goals left and right, and

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Speaker 5: it gets back to you're talking about Bennington. I think

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Speaker 5: that's the weak point of their team of Canada. And

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Speaker 5: if he ends up being the Jordan Benningson and the

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Speaker 5: n NHL instead of the Jordan Bennington of World Hockey

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Speaker 5: or Canada Hockey or whatever you want to call it,

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Speaker 5: then yeah, it's gonna be a letdown. But as far

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Speaker 5: as this tournament, he's played pretty well.

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Speaker 4: Bart. I don't know if you watched the women's game,

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Speaker 4: but what a goal by Megan Keller to win it. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: would that move have beating you?

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Speaker 5: I mean, what do you want me to say?

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Speaker 4: My thought is you probably would have tripped her.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well I wasn't letting her get by me, that's

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Speaker 5: for sure, So if I had to take a penalty,

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Speaker 5: that would have been our right.

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Speaker 1: Fair enough, Bart, great stuff. As always, we will talk

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Speaker 1: real soon, all right, thanks Mark. That's Matt park cocky,

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Speaker 1: great stuff. I think he would have probably slashed Megan Keller. Actually,

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Speaker 1: we should have talked about this, and I have before.

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Speaker 1: When Bart played high school hockey for Lebo because a

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Speaker 1: couple of friends of my coach Lee and I that's

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Speaker 1: when I first met Bart when they won the state championship,

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Speaker 1: and he would play. The games were three fifteen minute periods,

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Speaker 1: and Bart would play like forty minutes literally, because you

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Speaker 1: can do that in high school hockey. And he was

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Speaker 1: certainly that good. I mean, look at his career. Went

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Speaker 1: unto Ohio State, played NHL Hockey Bruins, and whenever Bart

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Speaker 1: needed a break, uh, he would just take a grievous

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Speaker 1: penalty off and against the other team's best player, like

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Speaker 1: they were playing in the Penguins Cup Final. The Western

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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania Championship, and there was this kid, good kid, good player,

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Speaker 1: Dittrich for North Alleghany and Bart ran him and committed

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Speaker 1: like ten penalties at once, like crosscheck, charge boarding, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you name it. And Dick Jery cutt hurt and Bart

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Speaker 1: cut a two minute penalty. That's pretty good strategy. So

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Speaker 1: I think he would have probably taken Megan Keller out

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Speaker 1: of the game. Time to ass Mark anything A three

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Speaker 1: three four one two wxdx. That's eight three three four

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Speaker 4: so is yesterday. Maybe my anger and toxicity is dissipating,

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Speaker 4: or maybe just taking a break. Time to ask Mark Anything.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Cannon Beaver, Connie Ken, You're own with

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Speaker 5: Well, mister Madden, always good to talk to you instead

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Speaker 5: of hockey today. Great interview with Jack Kim, as Benley

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Speaker 5: serves he was a second round draft pick. Did the

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Speaker 5: other teams miss something the Steelers saw back.

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Speaker 2: Then in nineteen seventy one.

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Speaker 1: Well, back then the Steelers would get like you heard

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Speaker 1: Mike Wagner in the eleventh round. They just did better scouting. Now,

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Speaker 1: all the teams share the same information, and of course

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Speaker 1: everybody sees everybody at the combine. But the Steelers back

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Speaker 1: then just did more work, treated it more scientifically, and

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Speaker 1: knew more and especially valuable to that which didn't involve

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Speaker 1: Mike Wagner, but a gentleman named Bill Nunn, who was

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Speaker 1: the sports editor of the Pittsburgh Courier, which is still around.

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Speaker 1: It was at the time a very influential newspaper, an

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Speaker 1: African American newspaper still is influential, but back then, boy,

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Speaker 1: it was extremely so. And Bill Nunn was the sports

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Speaker 1: editor and he would see all these players play at

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Speaker 1: traditionally black colleges that the NFL didn't know about, and

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Speaker 1: they would get guys like Mel Blunt and John Stalwart

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Speaker 1: the other teams just didn't know about.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's crazy that they had that a day on Joe.

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Speaker 5: I mean, everybody probably knew who limn Swan was playing

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Speaker 5: at Southern col Correct. I never heard of John's Baulward

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Speaker 5: until he got to Pittsburgh, no.

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Speaker 4: Question, but that was the big advantage they had.

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Speaker 1: And uh, you know, and Mike Wagner wasn't African American,

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Speaker 1: but to get him in the eleventh round just incredible

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Speaker 1: work done by an organization that really knew football. Back then,

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Speaker 1: Dan Rooney, our junior, Chuck Noll, Bill Nunn, every single

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Speaker 1: one of those guys knew more about football than the

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Speaker 1: entirety of the organization does now. I have no qualms

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Speaker 1: about saying that, let's go to a talk back.

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Speaker 5: Hey, Mark, I'm assuming Sid would still get a gold

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Speaker 5: medal if he sat out the last game in Canada won? Correct?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely so. Uh, but let's sope.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I really want Sid to play, and I

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Speaker 1: really want Sid to win, and if that makes me

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Speaker 1: a bad America and then well there's plenty of bad

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Speaker 1: Americans out there, and for reasons more toxic than me

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Speaker 1: rooting for sid Let's go to a talkback.

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Speaker 5: Hey, Mark, have you talked at all about brock Nelson

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Speaker 5: having relatives on the nineteen sixty and nineteen eighty US

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Speaker 5: Olympic gold medal teams. I think that's a pretty good story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we mentioned it briefly. I'm not sure it's that

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Speaker 1: big a deal. I you know, I know the Johnny

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Speaker 1: Gaudreau thing. They have his jersey in the locker room.

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Speaker 1: His family's there, and I think the Mayasich family, their

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Speaker 1: granddad played on the nineteen sixty US Olympic team. They

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Speaker 1: sent his team jacket. I think it's hanging in the

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Speaker 1: locker room. And I respect those families, and I understand

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Speaker 1: you know where all that's coming from.

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Speaker 4: But win for now.

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Speaker 1: What's going on now is what's going on now. Win

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Speaker 1: for now, Go another talkback. Okay, we lost that one,

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Speaker 1: all right, we'll get some calls in now. Uh eight

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Speaker 1: three three four one two WSDX. I'm doing a total

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Speaker 1: rethink on the list because of recent developments. It won't

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Speaker 1: surprise you. And of course we're watching this USA game.

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Speaker 1: USA up five nil after two. I told you the

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Speaker 1: Slovaks would roll over. I told you the Slovak would

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Speaker 1: just be happy to be there. I'm not ripping them

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Speaker 1: at all. I mean, nobody thought they would win their group,

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Speaker 1: Nobody thought they would win a playoff game. Nobody thought

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Speaker 1: they would be where they're at. And they're gonna be

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Speaker 1: in the bronze medal game, and they're gonna play Finland

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Speaker 1: for the bronze medal, and that's a game they probably

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Speaker 1: won't win, but it certainly could. And as I mentioned

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Speaker 1: earlier this week, to the Euros, a bronze medal is

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Speaker 1: a big deal. To the North Americans, you didn't win

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Speaker 1: the tournament, so they hate the bronze medal game. But

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Speaker 1: for Slovakia and Finland, even though Finland probably I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying they thought they deserved better, but could have easily

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Speaker 1: won that game today against Canada, that'll be a big

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Speaker 1: deal to each of those teams.

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