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Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson from the Bengals apparently are not going to

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Speaker 2: broadcasting this hour. Hell, maybe the whole damn show. Who

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Speaker 2: right now on that app at Moeger. Paul's here. How's

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Speaker 2: it going, I'm doing great?

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 3: I am emotional? I understand emotional. I think everybody's trying

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Speaker 3: to come to terms with their emotions right now.

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Speaker 2: I'm processing a lot of different things. Here and we've

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Speaker 2: reached pretty much the finish line as it relates to

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Speaker 2: the Bengals relationship with Trey Hendrickson. But be honest, this

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Speaker 2: is about my relationship with Trey Hendrickson, our show's relationship

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Speaker 2: with Trey Hendrickson, your guys relationship with Trey Hendrickson. It

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Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily have to end, but it is going to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the content machine, where do we go?

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Speaker 3: Where do we possibly go?

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Speaker 3: You know, it's just it's said, I am a you know,

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Speaker 3: no franchise, tag, no tag and trade situation for for Trey,

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Speaker 3: he will get what he has long designed, a chance

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Speaker 3: Like you can have that same flyer but with Trey's

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Speaker 2: I mean I would imagine Trey there's a relief, excitement. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean he's forever He's arguably the top free agent available.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's the way it goes, right, the further

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Speaker 3: I but I you know, his highs are pretty darn

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Speaker 2: It would be down the list. But like when they

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean sixty one sacks in five season and

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Speaker 2: Well at Bengals, give Trey the proper send off with

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Speaker 3: I haven't. I honestly have not done enough tribute video research,

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Speaker 3: I think the tribute video is like when they play.

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Speaker 2: Showing up at practice last year and his golf gear

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Speaker 3: I almost got run over by a car because of him, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he proved and a lot of people wrong,

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Speaker 2: Well, and you could start to imagine what the ceiling

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Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson, according to everybody who covers the team, including

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Speaker 2: lead last night but winning an overtime in New York

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Speaker 2: Daanner Junior is here on a whole bunch of different

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Speaker 2: Bengals related issues and the Growler podcast consuming all of

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Speaker 2: the content from Indie last week. It felt to me,

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Speaker 2: and you could tell me if I'm wrong, it felt

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Speaker 2: to me like Bengals personnel was more revealing about what

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Speaker 2: they're looking for and what they may do than at

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Speaker 2: any point in recent history.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean, I think some of the some of

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Speaker 3: this stuff because we I mean, it's easy for us

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Speaker 3: to be specific in what we're analyzing and asking questions about,

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Speaker 3: and so for that fact, I think that when you're

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Speaker 3: just talking about with only so many positions to talking

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Speaker 3: about the defense, you can you can sort of surmise

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Speaker 3: where they're going with this stuff. I think there's truth

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Speaker 3: to that. The point is it's just that what do

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Speaker 3: they have to be secretive? About they're trying to add

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Speaker 3: players at every level of the defense, like there's right,

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Speaker 3: they want good players, are looking for impact players. I

487
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Speaker 3: think there's some of the specifics of the linebacker add

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Speaker 3: that they're trying to do. They plan to and we'll

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Speaker 3: see what happens. Be aggressive and free agency and filling

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Speaker 3: this defense. I don't think it is hard for anyone us,

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Speaker 3: much less the rest of the league to know what

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Speaker 3: they're trying to do. And I think it exudes a

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Speaker 3: little bit of a confidence in their plan. Is it

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Speaker 3: false comments, I don't know, but we'll find out. But

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Speaker 3: I do feel like they have confidence that they know

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Speaker 3: what they want, feel like it's out there, feel like

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Speaker 3: they can accomplish it and have the resources to do it,

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Speaker 3: and they have to go do that and we'll judge

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Speaker 3: it how well they did at it. I just so, yes,

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Speaker 3: I think that's true. I also think there's just a

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Speaker 3: there's nothing really to hide here, Like they're gonna add

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Speaker 3: a bunch of players on this defense, and everybody knows

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Speaker 3: they're trying to add pass rush.

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Speaker 2: How should the effusive praise of Jordan Battle from Al

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Speaker 2: Golden inform what we expect them to do?

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Speaker 9: It?

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Speaker 2: Safety both in free agency and the draft.

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Speaker 3: MM just that they I think that's more just about

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Speaker 3: belief in the way he played down the stretch. I

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Speaker 3: mean he we probably spent a lot of time talking

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Speaker 3: about well, I mean, we did spend a lot of time

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Speaker 3: talking about Miles Murphy's growth, right, and Jordan battle was

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Speaker 3: always kind of maybe the next person or third person

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Speaker 3: you'd mentioned when you really look at it this under

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Speaker 3: the same time span that second half of the season,

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Speaker 3: he really did play at a much higher level. He

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Speaker 3: stopped missing tackles for the most part. He made a

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Speaker 3: few more plays like it wasn't his nose. But you

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Speaker 3: spent much more time noticing others, shall we say anybody else?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't want to name names.

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Speaker 2: But I can't quit Trey Hendricks and anginostone cold Turkey

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Speaker 2: on the same day.

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Speaker 3: Okay, maybe there's still a chance. Maybe there's still a

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Speaker 3: chance that Geno comes back. No, I'm gonna finish my

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Speaker 3: Jordan Battle force before I send you into a heart palpitations.

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Speaker 3: I just say it. I feel like they felt like

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Speaker 3: they saw that and if this is a starting player

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Speaker 3: and a player that they felt like they finally gave

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Speaker 3: the chance to really be the guy. Took a half

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Speaker 3: a year for it to happen, with a lot of

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Speaker 3: moving pieces that weren't great around him, and started to

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Speaker 3: settle in to be a starting level player. And so

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Speaker 3: they're gonna build confidence in that. They're gonna make sure

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Speaker 3: he knows they are confident in him. I think he's

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Speaker 3: a guy that feeds off his own confidence, and so

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Speaker 3: they wanted to be effusive about that they were, and

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Speaker 3: that doesn't change anything. I think you still need somebody

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Speaker 3: who can play next to him. Complimenting Jordan Battle, I

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Speaker 3: think is relative. Most safeties are still kind of doing

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Speaker 3: a little bit everything. But I know what they're saying,

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Speaker 3: a little bit more of a cover guy. That's fine,

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Speaker 3: But I don't think it changed anything in the draft.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it changes anything in free agency. I

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Speaker 3: think the way the teams have used three safeties successfully

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Speaker 3: shows that you can do that without much problem. You're

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Speaker 3: just trying to add players right now.

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Speaker 2: The question was asked during the free agent draft on

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Speaker 2: The Growler this morning that I think is an interesting

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Speaker 2: one and it's one that I jotted down well before

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Speaker 2: the podcast. If Joseph Osai hadn't played for the Bengals

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Speaker 2: last year, and you're looking at potential defensive lineman. I

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Speaker 2: think that's a name that would peauk my interest. Why then,

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Speaker 2: should we assume that they're just gonna let him go.

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Speaker 3: I just it just doesn't feel like it matches where

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Speaker 3: they're at. I just think it's a change is good

556
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Speaker 3: for that spot, wanting a little bit more out of

557
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Speaker 3: that spot. Change is good for Joseph. I think probably

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Speaker 3: it just doesn't feel like it matches right now with

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Speaker 3: where they're at, and I think they just want to

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Speaker 3: try to find somebody with maybe a little different skill set.

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Speaker 3: But you're right, I mean I think he's in that mix.

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Speaker 3: Could he be back? Sure, No one's closing the door

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Speaker 3: on that. We see surprise returns in free agency all

564
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Speaker 3: the time, so I'm and he was one last year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I just I just think there's other guys that more

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Speaker 3: fit what they're looking for. They have more money to

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Speaker 3: spend and invest into that spot. I think he'll have

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Speaker 3: a market. I'm curious to see where his deal ends up.

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Speaker 3: I just think there's other places that they would that

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Speaker 3: they would be willing more willing to go and pay

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Speaker 3: a little bit more to to fill.

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Speaker 2: That they have a lot of money to spend, They

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Speaker 2: have a lot of areas on the team to spend

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Speaker 2: it on. If there's an area where they would splurge,

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Speaker 2: where would it be. Well, there's a splurge that I like,

577
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Speaker 2: and let's make a Fitzpatrick. And now he hasn't he's

578
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Speaker 2: still technically a Miami Dolphin, but that appears to be

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Speaker 2: coming to an end. That will probably be a release

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Speaker 2: before it's a trade, and that would be a splurge,

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Speaker 2: a splurge that I think you would love.

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Speaker 3: He's the he's a force multiplayer, mo. I mean if there's.

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Speaker 2: Still not into really sure, I know what that means.

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Speaker 3: Someone who just by their sheer presence makes everybody else better.

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Speaker 3: I think it's just called being a good player. Okay, right,

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Speaker 3: I'm like you would just call it that. No, we

587
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Speaker 3: need force multiplayers, Okay, but either way, yeah, I like

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Speaker 3: a splurge like that. But their most likely place for

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Speaker 3: a splurge has been and always will be on the

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Speaker 3: defensive line. Now what who is that? I mean? It

591
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Speaker 3: could be you know, uh, an edge like boy Mafe,

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Speaker 3: or maybe they would go as high as to say

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Speaker 3: a Dafe Oway, which, by the way, like quitty pay

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Speaker 3: byway man. It's it's remarkable, similar like four letters, having

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Speaker 3: to learn them all, make sure I have them all down.

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Speaker 3: It's been but either any of those right, I think play,

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Speaker 3: but I would you could see a splurge happening there

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Speaker 3: at the top of the top of the edge market. Potentially.

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Speaker 3: I'll be interested to see where John Franklin Meyer's market goes,

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Speaker 3: just because he's the only real guy in there and

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Speaker 3: how desperate I think he will get overpaid. And that's

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Speaker 3: not disrespect to JFM, that's just they're just asn't anybody else.

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Speaker 3: But I'm curious to see how high it goes. And

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Speaker 3: if it didn't, you know, if it was a Orlando Brown,

605
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Speaker 3: Orlando Brown, everyone's thinking Orlando Brown's gonna get paid. Yeah,

606
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Speaker 3: he's gonna be a guy or whatever, and his number

607
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Speaker 3: kind of comes back to earth. A little bit happened there.

608
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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe there's one of those moments where they say, hey,

609
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Speaker 3: I think we might be able to get him, and

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Speaker 3: next thing you know, they're like, well, let's go for it,

611
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Speaker 3: and that's where a splurge happens. But I mean, more

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Speaker 3: than likely, their splurges have almost always happened on the

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Speaker 3: defensive line, like almost always in this era here, and

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Speaker 3: so that's where you can usually point to. I find

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Speaker 3: Minka the most fascinating out of that group.

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Speaker 2: We talked this morning almost exclusively about defense, and was

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Speaker 2: without saying that's where the overabundance of their time, energy

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Speaker 2: and resources should be aimed at. But is it a

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Speaker 2: Bengals offseason if they don't sign a tight end to

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Speaker 2: a one year, proven deal. And I know I'm hoping,

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Speaker 2: like hell, Eric Hall comes back.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I am too, I for his sake, And but

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Speaker 3: you can't count on that. You know, they still have

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Speaker 3: you know, those same three, you still have sample and

625
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Speaker 3: get Sickie and Tanner, Hudson and and all is going

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Speaker 3: to be in the mix. That feels more like a

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Speaker 3: pick to me. Sure, it's possible. I just think I don't.

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Speaker 3: I just it's it's possible. I mean, it's no different

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Speaker 3: than adding no offense work was last year. It's so

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Speaker 3: it feels more like a draft pick to me, and

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Speaker 3: not a high one that enters the fray in that

632
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Speaker 3: room this year. But yeah, I mean they have done

633
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Speaker 3: that pretty consistently. It's it's not totally impossible that there's

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Speaker 3: somebody sitting there. Who sounds really interesting for two million

635
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Speaker 3: dollars to go potentially play with Joe Burrow. I just

636
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Speaker 3: don't know if the cell is as strong when you

637
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Speaker 3: still have you know, those other three guys there and

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Speaker 3: potentially Eric Hall, who if he is healthy, they would

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Speaker 3: be shoving out there immediately. So that's it's not as

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Speaker 3: clear as usually when they do those, it's like you're

641
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Speaker 3: gonna be the guy and you're gonna catch sixty balls

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Speaker 3: and it's an easy sell. I don't know that that's

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Speaker 3: the case this year.

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Speaker 2: Is Andy Dalton gonna be the backup quarterback of the

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Speaker 2: Bengals next year?

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Speaker 3: I hope. So let's tie a bow on this stickal,

647
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Speaker 3: let's go think about all the money that can be

648
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Speaker 3: raised for the childrens sauce. But like, honestly, if not him,

649
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Speaker 3: then who well? Right, And it's not super out there.

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Speaker 3: The draft is not at all. If you want to

651
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Speaker 3: go draft a backup like this isn't your year. If

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Speaker 3: you want to go in a fraz these people who

653
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Speaker 3: are like I don't know, there's gonna be a starter

654
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Speaker 3: for some of these.

655
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Speaker 2: If Andy Dalton had never played for the Bengals before,

656
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Speaker 2: I think I might have asked that same question. Yeah,

657
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Speaker 2: because you can cross some names off the list, including

658
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Speaker 2: it feels like Joe Flacco.

659
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think it's going to have an opportunity somewhere.

660
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Speaker 2: I'm kind of running out of names of guys that

661
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Speaker 2: I feel like I can put in the game and function.

662
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree. I think I think it would

663
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Speaker 3: make all the sense in the world. The question he

664
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 3: didn't play great in his small time last year, and

665
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Speaker 3: you know you wonder for him. The question is now

666
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Speaker 3: going to be every year is how long do I

667
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 3: want to keep doing this? If he decides that he

668
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Speaker 3: doesn't really want to play anymore or whatever, then maybe

669
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Speaker 3: that's this decision is made for you. But I think

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Speaker 3: if they feel like that was more of an aberration

671
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Speaker 3: and he could come in here and know how to

672
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Speaker 3: throw the ball to Jamar Chason T Higgins, then he's

673
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Speaker 3: as good as some most of the other guys that

674
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Speaker 3: are going to be available to you out there.

675
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Speaker 2: Who's more likely to be in the Ring of honor?

676
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Speaker 2: Andy Dalton or Trey Hendrickson?

677
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Speaker 3: AHJ. Green, that's a good answer.

678
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Speaker 2: What should I do if Ruben Bain's they're at ten

679
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Speaker 2: and people are screaming the arms are too short, they're

680
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Speaker 2: historically short.

681
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Speaker 3: To tell them to stop yelling that. Okay, I don't care.

682
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Speaker 3: I don't either. I don't care. I watched them play. Yeah,

683
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Speaker 3: turn on the tape, so I need to see Sam Monson,

684
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Speaker 3: who I love of them from check the mic had

685
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Speaker 3: the perfect comp nineteen eighties Mike Tyson. Oh yeah, okay.

686
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Speaker 3: You may look at him and be like, this guy,

687
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Speaker 3: how does the next thing?

688
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Speaker 1: You know?

689
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Speaker 3: The dude's on the ground, like just just absolutely wastes

690
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Speaker 3: his opponent in front of him, and there he is

691
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Speaker 3: at the quurt. He plays hard. He knows how to

692
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Speaker 3: use his leverage to his advantage, like, Yeah, it's one

693
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 3: thing to have shortcomings or liabilities. It's another thing to

694
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Speaker 3: have the counters and understand how to play with those. Yeah,

695
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Speaker 3: and use them to your advantage in some cases. And

696
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Speaker 3: Ruben Bain does that. I we have we not had

697
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Speaker 3: enough of the measurables conversation. Watch the tape is yeah,

698
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Speaker 3: watch the tape, yes, and that stuff. That stuff transitions

699
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Speaker 3: to the NFL without problem. I would be happy.

700
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Speaker 2: What's interesting is the two guys who I was most

701
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Speaker 2: impressed by when they talked were the two most talked

702
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 2: about dudes, Caleb Downs and Ruben Van, and I thought

703
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 2: Ruben Van handled all the questions professionally. They seemed rehearsed,

704
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Speaker 2: which is okay, but I love the answers. And then

705
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 2: like Caleb Downs, they come on, dude, I mean.

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Speaker 3: He's not People are like, how far will he drop?

707
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Speaker 3: Not out of the top ten? How about that? I

708
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Speaker 3: just I don't know how you don't want that dude

709
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Speaker 3: on your team immediately, Like, I don't care about positional

710
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Speaker 3: value none, I don't care about anything else. That dude

711
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Speaker 3: is a football player. He has is made to change

712
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 3: your culture and be a part of, you know, playing

713
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 3: winning football instincts, all the things that this defense hasn't had.

714
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Speaker 3: And if he's gonna fall and most safeties fall, and

715
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Speaker 3: that was more of the buzz coming out of this week.

716
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Speaker 3: Now I don't I'm not going to get into it.

717
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Speaker 3: I don't know the flag on the injuries thing that

718
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Speaker 3: kind of surfaced or whatever that was, so I'm not

719
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Speaker 3: going to touch on that. That's the only thing that

720
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 3: would really cause any substantial fall is if there's some

721
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Speaker 3: kind of an injury thing that we don't know about.

722
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 3: Because the dude as a player on the field, as

723
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Speaker 3: a leader, as the exact type of person you bet on.

724
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Speaker 3: He's got to be the safest pick in this draft.

725
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Speaker 2: I was I was talking to somebody last week and

726
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Speaker 2: I said, like, you could show the press conference he

727
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Speaker 2: had and have never seen him play football, and it

728
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Speaker 2: would be fun to go, Oh, you're impressed. Now you're

729
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Speaker 2: impressed by what he said. Now let's turn on the tape.

730
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Speaker 3: Now watch him play. Now watch him play.

731
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Speaker 2: Because if you think that's good, like you're you're sucked

732
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Speaker 2: in because of like the character of the dude and

733
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Speaker 2: just how he handled everything.

734
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Speaker 3: Now let's I think I told you two.

735
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Speaker 2: Weeks ago when I watched Smart People break down his film,

736
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 2: It's it's intoxicating. Like when you think about the Bengals

737
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Speaker 2: need and you know, whatever the likelihood of him being

738
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Speaker 2: there or ten is, it's it's hard to not be smitten.

739
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Matta Tricia would just kind of of

740
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 3: you know, people like, oh the calls that he made. No,

741
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Speaker 3: that's Caleb Downs instinctually freelancing on some of a lot

742
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Speaker 3: of this stuff. It's him making everything look good and

743
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Speaker 3: like a lot of the conversations in Indy that I

744
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 3: had were along the lines of trying to decipher between

745
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 3: who's really the I guess force multiplayer if you will,

746
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Speaker 3: but like, who's really the engine here? Between r bell

747
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 3: Rees and Sunny Styles and Caleb Downs. It's like, are

748
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 3: are the other two making one of them look better?

749
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Speaker 3: Which ones? Are those?

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Speaker 1: Right?

751
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Speaker 3: And I think it's possible that it can just be

752
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 3: that all three of those guys are awesome, and when

753
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 3: having all those together shows you what it came. I

754
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 3: don't think it is takes away from anything else, But

755
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 3: I think what you found in anybody you talk to

756
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Speaker 3: is that Caleb Downs was so much the leader. He

757
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 3: was so much the culture center. He was the guy

758
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 3: that people talk about for years. They've talked about him.

759
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 3: Even guys that have come out about how Satan recent

760
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 3: years have said he's the guy who was always the

761
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 3: you know, the brains of the operation and the one

762
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Speaker 3: that was really fueling everything.

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Speaker 2: The Force Multiplier thing has legs.

764
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Speaker 3: We're gonna be doing this until it's gonna be done

765
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Speaker 3: with it after we get through, Like you know, by

766
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Speaker 3: time we get to Wednesday next week, I'd be happy

767
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 3: if we're done with it. You will be doing live

768
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 3: shows next week day through Thursday. Wow, Yes, we'll be on.

769
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Speaker 3: We'll be live on the YouTube channel, reacting every night

770
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 3: to what's going on. Last year we filled four hours

771
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Speaker 3: of live time not talking about anything, so I'm positive

772
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 3: that we can do this year. And We've had a

773
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Speaker 3: lot of fun with those and I'm excited about doing

774
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Speaker 3: them again. That's had what time eight o'clock, lausch Night.

775
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 3: We'll go for about an hour with just whoever pops

776
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 3: in between me and Jay and Charlie. If you want

777
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 3: to pop up.

778
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 2: WI my own unique brand of commentary and yeah analysis.

779
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I would love it. The only the only

780
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 3: thing I say is if they bring back Genostone, you

781
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 3: have to show up immediately into the live stream.

782
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 2: I told you on your podcast today. We can pre

783
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 2: record that so you'll have it ready to go. Are

784
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 2: you warning me for some are you like? Are you

785
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 2: setting me up? Are you like you do you know something?

786
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 2: I don't don't know anything. I just love the idea

787
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Speaker 2: of it. I just I'm not warning about anything at all.

788
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Speaker 2: If I just love the idea. If they bring back

789
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Speaker 2: Geno Stone, I will be on your podcast because I

790
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 2: will not be allowed to be on the radio because

791
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 2: you don't have the FCC to worry about I do

792
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 2: here and this company does, and I will just say, look,

793
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 2: it ain't worth the fine, Okay, have somebody else do it.

794
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 2: I'll be on Paul's podcast tonight to share my true feelings.

795
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Speaker 3: I look forward to that, and then we could play

796
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 3: the bleeped version. That's just like one long.

797
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Speaker 2: What I thought I would do is when Geno Stone

798
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Speaker 2: signs with another NFL team, assuming he'll be in the league,

799
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Speaker 2: I will call the local sports talk radio show in

800
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: that market and say, do you want someone to talk

801
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: about I'm not qualified typically to do this, but in

802
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: this particular regard I am.

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00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 3: Are you gonna put your dog, Geno Stone on the tip? Yes,

804
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 3: on the on the show to be like, let me

805
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 3: this is my dog. Let me tell you I have

806
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 3: just called him this.

807
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 2: Paul Danner Junior covering the Bengals for The Athletic and

808
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 2: as well as his podcast, The Growler Podcast. We did

809
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 2: the free agency draft. Go check that out YouTube and

810
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,439
Speaker 2: as we say, where you get your podcasts, follow Paul

811
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Speaker 2: at Paul Danner Junior. We'll talk to you next week.

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Speaker 2: Looking forward to it. Can't wait six away from four o'clock.

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Speaker 2: Scott Sadderfield in just about ten minutes on ESPN fifteen

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Speaker 2: All right, there you go, five after four. This is

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm Oeger. The UC football team begins

826
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Speaker 2: spring practice next week. Whole lot of new faces to

827
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Speaker 2: sift through, coordinators, lots going on at you see forty

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Speaker 2: six new faces. It's a lot, even in this day

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Speaker 2: and age. The head coach of the Bearcats always kind

830
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Speaker 2: enough to join us whenever we ask, Gott Saderfield, It's

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Speaker 2: awesome to have you, coach.

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Speaker 3: How are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great? How you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well? I appreciate you doing this. So spring

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Speaker 2: practice is about to begin. Describe for me what the

836
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Speaker 2: last couple of months have been like just in terms

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Speaker 2: of all the changes, all the new guys coming into

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Speaker 2: the program.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, I think the good news is, you know,

840
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 10: we had all our whole strength staff or you know,

841
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 10: is coming back and are here. You know, these guys

842
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 10: have been with us the whole time I've been here,

843
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 10: you know, going on year four now, and so anytime

844
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Speaker 10: you got that, then it's the smooth transition when you

845
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Speaker 10: get the winter program, because once that happens, you get

846
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 10: all these new faces in here. You know, we set

847
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 10: our agenda for the winner, and we've been doing that,

848
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 10: which is you know, lifting weights, getting stronger, trying to

849
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Speaker 10: develop our guys, going out on the field and running.

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Speaker 1: This is the first winner that we've had, you know.

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Speaker 10: The brand new indoor here that it's incredible to be

852
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 10: able to to go out and guys get some great

853
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 10: work out in there and and really do a lot

854
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Speaker 10: of football stuff as well as running and cutting, you know,

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Speaker 10: trying to get all that done. You know, and you

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Speaker 10: got you got new quarterbacks, got new receivers, so you've

857
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 10: got to get timing throwing. So these guys are you know,

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Speaker 10: in their own time just coming out here throwing. You know,

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00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 10: we're gearing up for spring practice. So really the last

860
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Speaker 10: two months has just been just been doing that, you know,

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Speaker 10: doing some meetings with the guys, trying to put in

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Speaker 10: our new defense and offense, and just trying to continue

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Speaker 10: to get better for spring ball.

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Speaker 2: Give me two or three things that are at the

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Speaker 2: top of your to do list for spring ball starting

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Speaker 2: on Monday.

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00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 10: Well, I think number one when you look at you know,

868
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 10: coach Woods here obviously a brand new defensive coordinator coming

869
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 10: over from Army, you know, and we had Army they

870
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 10: were one of the best defenses is historically the last

871
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 10: five seasons.

872
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 1: You know, he was my depensive coordin at app.

873
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 10: State for six years, did a great job for us there.

874
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 10: Having him here really for them is just put in

875
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 10: the defense, you know, getting the guys comfortable with the calls,

876
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 10: learning where alignment's going to be, trying to figure out,

877
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 10: you know, where it's the.

878
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:16,439
Speaker 1: Best spot for all these guys.

879
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 10: That that'll be a you know, part of our our

880
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 10: spring practice is moving guys around and putting them in

881
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 10: some different positions to see what they can do, and

882
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 10: then let them play at a at a you know,

883
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 10: high level doing that. And then you know, spring ball

884
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 10: is like I mentioned earlier. You know, you got some

885
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 10: new quarterbacks in here, and you got some new receivers.

886
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 10: So really it's just trying to get all those guys

887
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 10: on the same page, you know, within their offense, you know,

888
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 10: lining up, running rounds.

889
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: So it's just a lot of fundamental work.

890
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 10: I think when you look at spring practice anymore, this

891
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 10: is across the country, You're gonna have a lot of

892
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 10: new faces each and every year at every program, and

893
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 10: so you know it's about getting there but on the

894
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 10: same page, understanding each other, competing at a high level,

895
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 10: really trying to connect as a football team, and and

896
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 10: just trying to continue to.

897
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: Get better and better.

898
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 2: One of your newcomers is a quarterback from Georgia Southern,

899
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 2: J C. French. What do you like most about him?

900
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think J. J.

901
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 10: S brings a great deal of experience playing at Georgia

902
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 10: Southern the last couple of years, had two really good years.

903
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 6: You know.

904
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 10: Obviously, I like the way he throws the football. The

905
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 10: ball comes off his hand, nice tight spiral. There's a

906
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 10: really good deep ball.

907
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: You know, smart player also has some athleticism.

908
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 10: You know, he's a guy that he rush for over three

909
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 10: hundred yards of judges Jorda Southern last year, and you know,

910
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 10: six or seven touchdowns, So he certainly can provide you

911
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 10: know a little bit of the running game with that,

912
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 10: you know, But I like his pois too. You know,

913
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 10: everything that we've been doing here, he's got a great

914
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 10: deal of poise. The guys like him. He's a good leader.

915
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 10: You know, he was a captain at Jordia Southern as well,

916
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 10: so you know, there's a lot of things to like

917
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 10: about him. Again, it's just him getting comfortable what we're

918
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 10: doing offensively, and and again that's what spring practice will.

919
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: Be all about.

920
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 2: In this day and age where there's so much turnover.

921
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 2: How nice is it to be able to lead on

922
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 2: three returning players from a very good offensive line.

923
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, that's that's awesome for us.

924
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 10: We felt like we were in great shate life year

925
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:01,240
Speaker 10: offensive line wise.

926
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,479
Speaker 1: Head into the season. You know, we're feeling good about

927
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: it again this year. You know, you bring them back.

928
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 10: Evan Tanya Sall. That's a that's an outstanding player, that

929
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 10: was an All American last season. You know, glad we're

930
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 10: able to hang on to him. And this day and

931
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 10: the hazing, the way everybody tries to poach your players,

932
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,240
Speaker 10: and and he certainly was one that that they came after,

933
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 10: and to be able to keep him here was was

934
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 10: tremendous for us.

935
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: Having Joe Cotton come back and tearing Tyle who who

936
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: I think.

937
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 10: You know, those three guys will be three of the

938
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 10: better linemen in the Big twelve next season, you know.

939
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: And we got a bunch of.

940
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 10: Guys that that played last year that will be in

941
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 10: the mix and rotation, you know, at the other spots.

942
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 10: But to have those those guys and anchor you know, anchor.

943
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: Type players and three of the better type.

944
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,720
Speaker 10: O linemen in this Big twelve and even in the country,

945
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 10: it's great to have those goes back and then and

946
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 10: it's the leadership, you know, the leadership of those guys

947
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 10: up front.

948
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: They know how to work. I'm excited about the offensive line.

949
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,439
Speaker 10: We got a lot of depth there, you know, and

950
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 10: and the more depth that you have, obviously the better

951
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 10: when you're when you're thinking about the guys up front.

952
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: So that's a sighting time.

953
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 10: We do have to replace Gavin Garylrard, who was a

954
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 10: tremendous leader and was our starting center for the last

955
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 10: three years. So that'll be one of the things that

956
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 10: we have to work on this this spring.

957
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: Who that's gonna be.

958
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know you mentioned Gavin, and as last season unfolded,

959
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 2: I'd come down there to talk to players for the

960
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 2: radio show, and to a man, every single one of them,

961
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 2: the non lineman would mention Gavin Gerhart and the leadership

962
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 2: in the tone setting. You've You've got some guys who

963
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 2: I think can do that on the offensive line, but

964
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 2: like that's that's the sort of personality whose influence permeated

965
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 2: through the team.

966
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 3: How do you replace that?

967
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 2: How do you replace that intangible that you got from

968
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 2: Gavin Gerhart last year?

969
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 4: Yeah?

970
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean I don't think you can replace it

971
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 10: with one person. I think it's gonna be you know,

972
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 10: a several guys that will step up and lead. You know,

973
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 10: anytime you got a guy who's coming back as a

974
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 10: three time captain, I did everything, you know, right, he

975
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 10: was a coach in the locker room. You're not gonna

976
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 10: be able to replace that, you know, unless you got

977
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 10: a guy that's in that same scenario which we don't,

978
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 10: you know.

979
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: So it's it's some.

980
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 10: New guys, but it's guys like Evan who's been here

981
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 10: you know for a long time now, you know, and

982
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 10: Joe and Tarn we're here all last year, so they're back,

983
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,439
Speaker 10: you know. Jt on the defensive side of the ball

984
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 10: has been here for a long time. He's that kind

985
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 10: of guy on that on that side of the ball,

986
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 10: he's really grown up over over the course of his

987
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 10: career here. He's made a ton of plays for us

988
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 10: and played a great deal in our defense, so you know,

989
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 10: we're leaning on him.

990
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: On that side. Mark west Parker's a guy who's.

991
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 10: Played a lot of ball for us, who's who's I

992
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 10: think has done a great job this winner as well,

993
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 10: you know. But some of the guys that's been here,

994
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 10: that know our culture, that know what we're looking for,

995
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 10: those are the type guys that you got to lean on,

996
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 10: you know.

997
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: And we mentioned the guys up front on the old line.

998
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: I think that those would be that type.

999
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 10: And then guys like jac you know, we have some

1000
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 10: some guys that are coming in that you know in

1001
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 10: the running back room and the receiver room that I

1002
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 10: think bringing a great deal of experience, and you know,

1003
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 10: some leadership that I think that will start to step up.

1004
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 10: You know, it's just something when you think about leadership though,

1005
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 10: it's not something that you can get within a month

1006
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 10: or two months. To me, that's something that's gonna take time.

1007
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 10: I do think that we're gonna have some great leaders

1008
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 10: as we head throughout this spring practice and when you

1009
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 10: go through the summer. By the time you get to August,

1010
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 10: camp Man, we'll have a great idea about who those

1011
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 10: leaders and who have stepped up over the.

1012
00:47:59,320 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: Last six months.

1013
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 2: H You and I talked a few years ago when

1014
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 2: you're implementing a three three five defense, which, for lack

1015
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 2: of a better way of putting it, while you see

1016
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 2: it around college football a lot is quote non traditional.

1017
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 2: Is it easier to get new guys up to speed

1018
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 2: when with Coach Woody system you're going to be playing

1019
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 2: something that is maybe a little bit more familiar in

1020
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 2: a in a three to four Yeah, Yeah.

1021
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: It's certainly more familiar.

1022
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 10: You know, that's my defense that I've played as my

1023
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 10: whole time as a head coach, other than the last

1024
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 10: two seasons. So you know, this certainly goes back to

1025
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 10: what I know A lot about this defense, you know,

1026
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 10: and co coach Wood has kind of been the architect

1027
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 10: of this.

1028
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: Defense and has been doing it for a long time.

1029
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 10: It's been great to have him in the building and

1030
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 10: man so familiar with what we what I'm seeing now,

1031
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 10: and you know, I think obviously the differences are going

1032
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 10: to be you know, you're going to bring You're going

1033
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,919
Speaker 10: to bring more people to the quarterback, and I think

1034
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 10: that's certainly a thing that you know, very kat fans

1035
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 10: will like the fact that we're going to try to

1036
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 10: get out to the quarterback a lot more than we

1037
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 10: have in the last couple of years and you know,

1038
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 10: not let the quarterbacks just kind of sit back there

1039
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 10: and pick us a part.

1040
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: So, you know, for us this spring as trying to find.

1041
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 10: Those guys who can pass rush, you know, whether it

1042
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 10: be a linebackers off the edge. You know, we're coming

1043
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 10: from the fields as the Sainty's coming off the edge

1044
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 10: from the field. So you know, those are the things

1045
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 10: that that we're gonna try to have to find. But

1046
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,240
Speaker 10: other than that, you know, we got some good pieces

1047
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 10: to the puzzle for that defense. We went out in

1048
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 10: the Portnal and got a bunch of dbs, which I

1049
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 10: think we needed to do. And some linebackers, so the

1050
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 10: back you know, the back half of this defense, or

1051
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 10: some some new faces back there, but that they bring a.

1052
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: Great deal of talent that to me is gonna be

1053
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 1: fun to watch and see. You know, guys like m J.

1054
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 10: Cannon that that come in from Bowling Green and we

1055
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 10: played against last year, I thought was an outstanding player.

1056
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 10: You know, Kenny Worthy is a nice corner. You know,

1057
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 10: family is the corner. It started two years at n

1058
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 10: I U uh.

1059
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: You know.

1060
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 10: There's some good players that we brought in here. Todd

1061
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 10: Goodwill came from South Alabama, Beeler, it's a great player.

1062
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: So so there's a lot of guys.

1063
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,439
Speaker 10: That can play with multiple positions, and so they find

1064
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 10: in the best spot for those guys that can go

1065
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 10: cut loose and playball.

1066
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 2: You've got springball and your season that you're getting ready for.

1067
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,919
Speaker 2: You also have former Bear kids who are getting said

1068
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 2: for the NFL Draft, and I'm paying attention to the

1069
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 2: combine this weekend. I watch people rave about Jeff Caldwell,

1070
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 2: which if you know anything about him from a physical

1071
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 2: specimen standpoint, you can understand why your pro day is

1072
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 2: in a few weeks. What's you and your staff's role

1073
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 2: in getting guys ready for the next level now that

1074
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 2: they've played their final college football games.

1075
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we.

1076
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 10: Got several guys that have just stayed here and continue

1077
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 10: to work out with our strength staff. I think one

1078
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 10: of the best strengths staffs in the country.

1079
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: So why would you not.

1080
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 10: Stay here continue to train, you know, I mean, those

1081
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 10: guys get you right, man. And there's you know, several

1082
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 10: of the guys are working with agents obviously, and these

1083
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 10: agents send them to certain parts of the country to

1084
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 10: work with some of their guys, which is that's fine

1085
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 10: as well, you know, but we're always going to support

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00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 10: our guys that played here. So certainly we're gonna have

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00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 10: this pro day here in a couple of weeks and

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00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 10: all these guys will come back. There'll be a you know,

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00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 10: a ton of personnel in the building as we saw

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Speaker 10: last fall. I mean every day there's five, six, seven, eight,

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Speaker 10: up to ten scouts a day that were coming to

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Speaker 10: watch our players, and I think, you know, they should

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Speaker 10: be they should have been here. I mean, guy, these

1094
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 10: guys are good players and there they're physical freaks. When

1095
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 10: you think about callwell Carwell arguably had one of the

1096
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 10: best days in the history of the combine when you

1097
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 10: think about wide receivers and you know, Jake gold is

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00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 10: another one that had an unbelievable day. You know, one

1099
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 10: of the top linebackers in the country that coming out

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00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 10: this year. So there's certainly going to be a lot

1101
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 10: of interest to come in and watch these guys. I'm

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Speaker 10: looking forward to to Pro Day, to seeing all the

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00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 10: NFL personnel and watching these guys show out.

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Speaker 2: That's a few weeks away. First things first, start a

1105
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 2: spring practice on Monday, Coach. We appreciate the time as always, man,

1106
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Speaker 2: thanks so much.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, appreciate it most Take care you.

1108
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 2: Got at spring ball underway for the Bearcats on Monday,

1109
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 2: and everything takes you right up until April eighteenth. The

1110
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 2: Spring Showcase, which was announced last week, that is going

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Speaker 2: to be at noon, open to the public, free, Saturday,

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Speaker 2: April eighteenth, at Knippert Stadium at twelve noon sixteen after

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Speaker 2: four o'clock guest free for the next fifteen minutes or

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Speaker 2: so five one, three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty eight, six, six,

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00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 2: seven oh two, three, seven, seven to six. Trey Hendrickson

1116
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 2: is not being franchise tagged. We'll spend a few minutes

1117
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 2: on that. We got to get set for a big

1118
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Speaker 2: night of college basketball as well. Done early today, UK

1119
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 2: hoops at five thirty on Moegger's sixteen. After four o'clock,

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Speaker 2: this is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station WCKY, Cincinnati

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00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 2: and iHeartRadio Station Guaranteed.

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00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 3: Twenty two Hard Radio. After four o'clock.

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Speaker 2: This is ESPN fifteen thirty on Moegger sounded unsure myself

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00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 2: there for a second, Hunter sands, I'm the official bracketologist

1125
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 2: of this show, not not any of the other shows.

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00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 2: This show is going to be with us at five

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00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 2: oh five. Hunter is more than welcome, of course, to

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00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,919
Speaker 2: go on any other show he pleases, and why would

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00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 2: you not want him?

1130
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 3: But we had him first. Oh, there was a moment

1131
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 3: he was on another show here in the building last night,

1132
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 3: and uh, you have to hear up here. So do

1133
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 3: you have the audio of this, because he did tweet

1134
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 3: about it. Yeah, I have the ideo. You haven't, now

1135
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 3: I haven't?

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00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 1: Now?

1137
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 2: All right, Well, Hunter Sansom is our bracketologist. He's going

1138
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 2: to be on in five oh five. He tweeted about

1139
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 2: this moment. I did not get a chance to hear it.

1140
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 2: Go ahead and play it.

1141
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 3: It's a pleasure.

1142
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 11: Welcome back to the show, Hunter, san Thom Hunter. How

1143
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 11: are we doing well?

1144
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 3: I'm doing great?

1145
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 11: Or I am so sorry Lance, Well this will be

1146
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 11: the last time you're coming back now. It's so sorry,

1147
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 11: You're you're good. I know you're on with MO so

1148
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 11: it's perfectly understandable.

1149
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 2: That's you know, Lance should be deeply offended. Lance should

1150
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 2: be deeply offended. I once, many many years ago, he

1151
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 2: had Mick Cronin on the show and three times during

1152
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 2: the interview he referred to me as Lance, and again

1153
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 2: I couldn't care less. Lance should be offended. But like

1154
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 2: after the third one, it's like, you have to like, coach,

1155
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 2: why do you keep calling me Lance? And he was apologetic. Uh,

1156
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 2: I guess we're hard. We're hard to distinguish from each other.

1157
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 3: I don't know. But anyway, Hunter is going.

1158
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 2: To be on the show at five oh five to

1159
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 2: talk uh bracketology as it relates to a few area

1160
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 2: college basketball programs. Also, we're going to dive into the

1161
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 2: lawsuit between UC and Brendan Soresby with our legal expert

1162
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 2: Stuart W. Penrose from the Manila Law group coming up

1163
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 2: in ten minutes, and we're going to preview the Bonded

1164
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 2: Spirit Festival, which is happening in Covington all across Covington

1165
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 2: starting today. But we have folks who have been waiting,

1166
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 2: so let's talk to them instead of hearing me. Babbel

1167
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 2: Jim and Milford. You're on ESPN fifteen thirty. Jim, good afternoon.

1168
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 2: How are you hey?

1169
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:40,919
Speaker 12: Lance? How you doing?

1170
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 3: I'm very well played? Thank you?

1171
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: Excuse me?

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00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 3: Check.

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00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 2: I've been called many, many, many, many worse things than that.

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Speaker 12: Wow, let's not go there. I let's get some stuff straight.

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00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: I'm an idiot.

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Speaker 12: I don't understand it.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's your call. Lance.

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00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 12: I let's stop with that joke. I want to know

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00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 12: from the Bengals perspective, how how the Bengals would benefit

1180
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 12: throughout this whole tray thing. So let's let's use the

1181
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 12: example that he's making thirty.

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Speaker 13: Million dollars, so we don't tag him and he walks,

1183
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 13: so that frees up what thirty million towards our cap?

1184
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 3: Is?

1185
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: That?

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00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 12: Is that the Bengals advantage?

1187
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 2: Well, I mean the money's already freed. It's it's not

1188
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 2: like they're going to get an additional thirty mil because

1189
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 2: the contract was already coming off the books. But okay,

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Speaker 2: I think they view what they would have spent in

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00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 2: tagging Trey Hendrickson for this year as money that's best

1192
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 2: spent elsewhere, and best spent may be more evenly distributed

1193
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 2: across the roster.

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00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 12: Okay, let's slow down. So the other side of the

1195
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 12: coin is they would have tagged him, but what the

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00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 12: So the advantage to the Bengals would be like they

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Speaker 12: tag him but really didn't want to plane they so

1198
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Speaker 12: another team would have to match the thirty million.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a team would have to agree to give the

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Speaker 2: Bengals the compensation they're looking for and then work out

1201
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 2: a long term deal with with Trey. So you would

1202
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 2: you would have needed the cooperation of Trey's representation to

1203
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 2: get something done. And if other teams and if Tray

1204
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 2: for that matter, know that you're tagging him with no

1205
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 2: real intention of him playing for you, then you just

1206
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 2: wait for the Bengals to resin the tag so you

1207
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 2: could try to sign the guy without giving the Bengals

1208
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 2: trade compensation. The disadvantage there is Trey can then take

1209
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 2: his pick among every team that's interested in signing him

1210
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 2: him where he would not have that freedom had they

1211
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 2: tried to tag and trade him.

1212
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 12: So if we would attack him, and let's say I

1213
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 12: heard today Chicago was interested in maybe a three year deal.

1214
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: So if we would attacked.

1215
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 12: Him and Chicago is really interested, we couldn't use that

1216
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 12: to our advantage to what gets some players on defense

1217
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 12: or a tick and a draft more likely.

1218
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 3: A pick in this year's draft.

1219
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 12: Yes, then why would you let him walk? If you're

1220
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 12: in it at least get something out of the.

1221
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 2: Deal, Because it possibly became abundantly clear to them that

1222
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 2: teams were just going to be We're not going to

1223
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 2: be interested in giving up more compensation than they would

1224
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 2: have to give up if they just waited for Trey

1225
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 2: to eventually hit free agency. Or maybe there was because

1226
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 2: bad feelings have bubbled to the surface here between the

1227
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:00,919
Speaker 2: Bengals and Tray that we're not going to be able

1228
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 2: to get the cooperation from Trey's representation that they were

1229
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 2: looking for for him to work out a long term

1230
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 2: deal with the Bears while the Bengals worked out the

1231
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 2: trade compensation with the Bears. Like from Chicago's perspective, it's like,

1232
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 2: can we get Trey Hendrickson on the open market. Cool, well,

1233
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 2: we can do that once the Bengals put him on

1234
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 2: the open market, as opposed to giving the Bengals what

1235
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 2: they're looking for, which is probably at least a third

1236
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 2: round pick.

1237
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 12: So if you're tagging, does does that mean we have

1238
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 12: to play?

1239
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 3: No, you could resend the tag. Now.

1240
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 2: If Trey decides, okay, you've tagged me, I'm signing the

1241
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 2: franchise tag offer, then you're stuck with him and whether

1242
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 2: it's right or wrong. And we'll know this as the

1243
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 2: next year or two unfolds the Bengals.

1244
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 3: A year ago, the Bengals go ahead time out.

1245
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 12: So he just said something like, if he signs the

1246
00:58:55,800 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 12: franchise tag, then does that mean we oh thirty million?

1247
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 2: That means he's under contract to you for one year

1248
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 2: at a little bit more than thirty million bucks.

1249
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 3: Yes, whoa Okay, and the Bengals.

1250
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 12: I can see why they didn't want to tagg An, Yeah,

1251
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 12: they didn't want to.

1252
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody really believes that Trey would have

1253
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 2: signed the franchise tag offer. I've not talked to anybody

1254
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 2: who thought it was a distinct possibility that had the

1255
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 2: Bengals franchise tag tray that he would just sign the

1256
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 2: deal because he wants a multi year contract, and a

1257
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 2: franchise tag would not have given him the multi year contract.

1258
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 2: He wants the freedom to pick the team that he's

1259
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 2: going to play for. He has sought that for a while,

1260
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 2: so he's not going to sign the tag, and then

1261
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 2: basically you're left with both sides staring at each other

1262
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 2: until the Bengals designed or recind the tag, releasing him

1263
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 2: to free agency, and then you get nothing in return.

1264
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 12: Okay, So to me, it's kind of like an old

1265
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 12: used car, right, It's like, well, let's get something out

1266
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 12: of it, right, Yes, Like I don't want some guy

1267
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 12: in hand him the keys and he just starts the

1268
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 12: car and drives off and he gets it for free.

1269
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 12: I would think, you know, well, at least give me

1270
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 12: at least give me a nice to walk screwdriver, you know, sure,

1271
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 12: a screwdriver for the deal. Yeah, you know, just for me,

1272
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 12: it's just why would you let him walk for not

1273
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 12: getting something out of him? But it sounds like the

1274
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 12: contract lawyers just make it so difficult that it's just like, okay,

1275
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 12: go ahead and walk, right.

1276
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 2: Well, what I would what I would like to think

1277
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 2: is that the Bengals used last week in Indianapolis to

1278
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 2: gather intel, to talk with teams and see if a

1279
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 2: trade was a possibility. And I genuinely do believe if

1280
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 2: they felt like we could legitimately pull off a trade

1281
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 2: involving Trey Hendrickson where he goes and signs with the

1282
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 2: team that we've decided to trade him to and we

1283
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 2: get good compensation back, I believe they would have done that.

1284
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 2: Why would they? Maybe I'm giving them the benefit of

1285
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 2: the doubt that they don't deserve, but it certainly seems

1286
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 2: plausible that after a week of talking with teams in India,

1287
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 2: it became abundantly clear like a deal involving the compensation

1288
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 2: they were looking for that they want to exceed the

1289
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 2: possible compensatory pick they would get next year was just

1290
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 2: not in the works. And so it's time to move on,

1291
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 2: and barring something totally unforeseen, Trey is going to move on.

1292
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 2: The Bengals have never had plans for Trey Hendrickson to

1293
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 2: be on the team in twenty twenty six. That's been

1294
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 2: the one constant in this entire thing. It just feels like,

1295
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 2: and again, maybe I'm giving them more credit than they deserve.

1296
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 2: But this took into the last possible minute, right like

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Speaker 2: the deadline's four o'clock today. Today it's come out they're

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Speaker 2: not planning on doing it. The fact that we're talking

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Speaker 2: about this today would suggest that last week they were

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Speaker 2: open to the idea of tagging him. Certainly neither Duke

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Speaker 2: or Zak dismissed the possibility last week, and a deal

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Speaker 2: that benefited them just wasn't there. And so in the

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Speaker 2: absence of a deal that benefited them just not being

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Speaker 2: there at four o'clock today comes and goes, and now

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Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson said to be a free agent, Bengals get

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Speaker 2: a compensatory pick and they can essentially proceed with what

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Speaker 2: their plan originally was, which was for Tray to not

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Speaker 2: be a part of the franchise. What you can't help

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Speaker 2: but do, though, is go back to last year and

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Speaker 2: wonder what could they have gotten in a trade for

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Speaker 2: Trey a year ago when they were shopping him because

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Speaker 2: he asked for a deal. That's the thing for me,

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Speaker 2: it's you can't get a deal done now. Fine, that

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Speaker 2: makes sense, but given the fact that you had no

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Speaker 2: long term plans for him, couldn't you have gotten something

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Speaker 2: in return that not only could have benefited them now,

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Speaker 2: but could have benefited them this past season. That's what

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Speaker 2: we're always going to wonder. That's where I think the

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Speaker 2: criticism is fair. Not tagging him this week no big deal,

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Speaker 2: but it is completely understandable if you are looking at

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Speaker 2: what they didn't do with him last year as a

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Speaker 2: missed opportunity to get something better in return than what

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Speaker 2: they will get in a year by him becoming a

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Speaker 2: free agent. Is UC going to actually go to court

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Speaker 2: with their former quarterback? Our guy, our legal expert, Stuart W.

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Speaker 2: Penrose from the Manila Lag Group.

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Speaker 2: Headlines in just a few There's not a ton of

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Speaker 2: hard news today. It's time, as it is every Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: to talk with our legal expert from the Manila Law Group.

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Speaker 3: Attorney Stuart W.

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Speaker 2: Penrose joins us on Tuesday to answer usually my dumb

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Speaker 2: sports and legal questions. And I've got a few as

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Speaker 2: it relates to the lawsuit that you see is putting

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Speaker 2: forth against the former quarterback Brendan Sorosby.

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Speaker 3: Stewart.

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Speaker 2: It's awesome in the heavy was always good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: How are you awesome to be on Mogan doing great?

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Speaker 1: How about you?

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Speaker 3: I'm well.

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Speaker 2: So Brendan Sorosby leaves the University of Cincinnati to go

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Speaker 2: to Texas Tech, where he is going to make reportedly

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Speaker 2: anywhere between four and six million dollars. Now the school says, well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's left, but he owes us a million bucks because

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Speaker 2: he's leaving his contract early and it's basically a one

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Speaker 2: millionllion dollar buy out, so we're taking him the court.

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Speaker 2: I guess this is the sort of thing that, in

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Speaker 2: this day and age of college sports, was almost inevitable

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Speaker 2: at some point. But is this the kind of case

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Speaker 2: that's just going to get settled well before it never

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Speaker 2: reaches the courtroom.

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Speaker 4: You're right on both fronts, it was inevitable. I'm sure

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Speaker 4: we will see this again from different universities. I was

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Speaker 4: surprised this came directly from UC instead of nil collective.

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Speaker 4: I read the complaint and it came directly from UC.

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Speaker 4: I guess the way that they have it structured, so

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Speaker 4: that was very interesting to me. Yes, almost certainly this

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Speaker 4: will end in some sort of settlements. The players don't

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Speaker 4: want this, They don't want to be sued over this.

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Speaker 4: The schools don't want their names dragged through the mud

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Speaker 4: over it. It's not a great look for UC. But

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Speaker 4: I understand both sides at the coin here. They want

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Speaker 4: to hold, you know, players to their commitments, you know,

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Speaker 4: including a damage's clause that they have in there. But

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Speaker 4: at the same time, you don't want the bad press,

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Speaker 4: you know, amongst recruits that you might want to bring

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Speaker 4: you know to bring in Yes, this will ultimately most

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Speaker 4: certainly into the settlement. If we were to drag on

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Speaker 4: very long, the public gets a look under the hood

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Speaker 4: and you know, how is this school How are these

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Speaker 4: schools and ILDs deals structured? How does that go? U?

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Speaker 4: There are things that both sides would want to keep,

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Speaker 4: keep the hood clothes on moth And.

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Speaker 2: I guess the way I look at this is like

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Speaker 2: the business model of college athletics is already flimsy, built

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Speaker 2: on a house of cards. If if now these contracts

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Speaker 2: that athletes signed with universities end up not being binding,

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Speaker 2: then what are we doing?

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Speaker 4: Well, that's a good question, and there's no there's no

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Speaker 4: direct answer to that right now. Everything's so fragmented college

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Speaker 4: sports is. I mean, the first thing I thought when

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Speaker 4: I saw that sadline come out last week, my was,

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Speaker 4: my god, are we in an unhealthy place right now

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Speaker 4: with this? I mean, contracts are still contracts. They still

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Speaker 4: have to mean something, but they can be challenged and

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Speaker 4: you know, more often than not they're going to end

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Speaker 4: in some sort of uh, you know, negotiated resolution.

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Speaker 9: Uh.

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Speaker 4: But you know something's got to give somewhere, and you

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Speaker 4: know it's it's a sad state of affairs when we

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Speaker 4: have university suing players and vice versus which which is

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Speaker 4: what we're seeing all the time over eligibility or nil contracts,

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Speaker 4: one thing.

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Speaker 1: Or the other.

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Speaker 3: What is the foundation of Brendan Sorosby's defense.

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Speaker 4: Well, he gets sixty days from the time of the

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Speaker 4: lawsuit to file an answer, so we'll see. He could

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Speaker 4: argue that it violates anti trust laws. He could argue

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Speaker 4: that the liquidated damage's contract is not enforceable, or that

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Speaker 4: you know, the you know, player portability is in the

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Speaker 4: best public interests.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: We'll see what his lawyers come out with in terms

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Speaker 4: of in terms of an argument with.

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Speaker 2: US, can I sue Brendan Sorosby for never throwing the

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Speaker 2: ball to Joe Royer? Or could Joe Royer sue Brendan

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Speaker 2: Sorosby for never throwing him the football?

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Speaker 4: The I could go on a tangent here the long

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Speaker 4: list of people I'd like to sue over the last

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Speaker 4: couple of years with this, but it's probably not a

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Speaker 4: good idea that I do.

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Speaker 1: That.

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Speaker 4: Probably probably the youth, the football and basketball ticket holder.

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Speaker 2: Go, Yeah, my gribes likely will not hold up in court.

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Speaker 2: Attorney Steward W. Penrose from the Manila Law Group is

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Speaker 2: with us. I think you and I have talked about

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Speaker 2: sports prediction markets in the past, and uh, I like

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Speaker 2: sports wagering. The sports prediction markets make me feel icky.

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Speaker 2: This is apparently going to get to the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 2: where now they may decide on the basic future, the

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Speaker 2: basic existence at least in this country of sports prediction markets.

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Speaker 3: Where do we see this going?

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Speaker 4: Well, we don't know if it's going to get the

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Speaker 4: Supreme Court yet.

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Speaker 3: MO.

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Speaker 4: What we have or are we have various you know,

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Speaker 4: somewhat analogous cases in different federal courts across the country

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Speaker 4: right now where Kelsey's being challenged on different things. You know,

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Speaker 4: the corrupt of it are you know, states are saying, hey,

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Speaker 4: this is sports gambling and all but name you know,

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Speaker 4: if it walks talk to and looks like sports gambling,

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01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 4: it's sports gambling and it should be subject to our

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Speaker 4: state laws. And let's be honest, they want the type

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Speaker 4: that they want the revenue from it, and why wouldn't they,

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Speaker 4: So that that's the crux of it here. They're they're challenging,

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Speaker 4: you know, should this be governed under state law or

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Speaker 4: the federal law Preemphis. It's going to be really interesting

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01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 4: to see how these decisions come out. It may get

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01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,520
Speaker 4: to the Supreme Court if we get decisions that contradict

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01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 4: each other, and that's really when you would see potential

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01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 4: Supreme Court involvement. But it's going to be really far

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Speaker 4: reaching because I mean, yes, you look at it the

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Speaker 4: bland blind eye, it doesn't look any different than sports gambling. Uh.

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Speaker 4: And and it's a it's at a stay where you know,

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Speaker 4: depending upon how these decisions go down, and if it

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Speaker 4: goes to the Supreme Court, are are prediction market's going

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Speaker 4: to go away completely? Or are they can explode? And

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Speaker 4: if they explode, does does that mean that uh your

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Speaker 4: draft kings, your fan duels, your your your what have

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Speaker 4: you for?

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Speaker 1: Uh? You know traditional sports.

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Speaker 4: Betting platforms do they do they then switch their business

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Speaker 4: models to be a prediction market? You know, we'll have

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Speaker 4: to wait and see it. There's just so many moving

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01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 4: parts and it's gonna be really interesting to see how

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Speaker 4: things come down. I will say this, U states and

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Speaker 4: governments are going to want their their their revenue from

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Speaker 4: it one way or the other. So something's got to

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Speaker 4: give in some way to accommodate that.

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Speaker 2: If if this wasn't because you could there were people

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Speaker 2: who were making money predicting whether we would bomb Iraq,

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Speaker 2: which I just I can't wrap my brain around. If yeah,

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Speaker 2: if if this wasn't tied directly to sports, would this

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01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:36,719
Speaker 2: face similar legal challenges? Would this face no legal challenges?

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01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 2: Would they be different legal challenges? How would this work?

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01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 4: Well, they're facing legal challenges and other aspects. Now I know,

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01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 4: for instance, they're not allowed to put prediction markets out

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01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 4: there on elections and and and their challenge and Kelsey

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01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 4: has directly challenged that. We'll see how that comes out.

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01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 4: So so, yes, it's more than just sports.

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Speaker 2: It's weird and uh, that's the pot calling the kettle black.

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Speaker 2: Attorney Steward W. Penrose from the Midido Lawgroup. I appreciate

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Speaker 2: the time as always, we'll talk again next week.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, MO.

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Speaker 2: That's our guy, our legal expert. Attorney Stewart W. Penrose

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Speaker 2: believe us. I can't believe we got you in studio

1510
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:35,840
Speaker 2: given how busy you are. You're right, but you know what,

1511
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:37,639
Speaker 2: this is a special day for me. That I get

1512
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:39,720
Speaker 2: to see you. It is it's special for you that

1513
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 2: you get to see me. It is no question about it.

1514
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 2: What is the Bonded Spirit Bluegrass Festival.

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01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:50,679
Speaker 14: So it centers around the fact that Covington headed gentleman

1516
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 14: who lived there. His name was John G. Carlisle and

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01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 14: today is a special day. It's bottled in Bond Day

1518
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 14: and he was the one that pushed it through. So

1519
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 14: we celebrate that as part of Covington's bourbon heritage.

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01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:07,600
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, So this is like now through Saturday,

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01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:11,160
Speaker 2: days and days and days of bourbon and bluegrass.

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01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 3: That's right. So it's basically three three sections.

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01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 14: The first section is our Cove Crawl, so it starts

1524
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 14: tonight and it goes tonight, Tomorrow and Thursday, and each

1525
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 14: night we're in a different entertainment district in Covington. Tonight's

1526
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 14: the Central Business District, which is the Sea and Cove

1527
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 14: on the River, which is the Robling Point district. That

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01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 14: would be tomorrow, and then on Thursday is the village

1529
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 14: of Mainstrasa and that's the first segment of this. And

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01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 14: then on Friday we have the Community Concert, which is

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01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 14: a free concert four bands in a tent very large

1532
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:56,600
Speaker 14: tent and that is in Robling Point right next to

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01:13:56,640 --> 01:14:00,719
Speaker 14: Smoke Justice, and those tickets can be found at any

1534
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:05,680
Speaker 14: B Line bar or restaurant. Then the last is Saturday.

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01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 14: That's the main event. That is a ticketed event. You

1536
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 14: need to go to bondispirit dot com to get those tickets.

1537
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:16,639
Speaker 14: We still have some available, and we have three awesome bands.

1538
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 14: We've got Bourbon Revival which just won Battle the Bands

1539
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 14: down at Bourbon and Beyond. And then we have Dan Taminsky,

1540
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:30,680
Speaker 14: who's the voice behind George Clooney in the movie.

1541
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:31,719
Speaker 3: Oh Brother, We're Out Diyle.

1542
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 14: And then the final band, the Steel Drivers, Chris Stapleton's

1543
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 14: old band. We'll finish it off and we all know

1544
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 14: what that's all about.

1545
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 3: So the Saturday is the ticketed event.

1546
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 2: That's correct, need a ticket for that bonded Spirit dot com.

1547
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 3: Correct. Friday is not a ticketed event.

1548
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:54,439
Speaker 14: Friday is a ticket event, but it's a free event.

1549
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 14: If you buy Saturday's ticket, you get in free. It's

1550
01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 14: a bonus. But also there are tickets available at any

1551
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:06,360
Speaker 14: Bline location. Rest on our are. If you go on

1552
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 14: bonded Spirit dot com you'll see that list and if

1553
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 14: they have any left, you go there, you get them

1554
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 14: and they get you in free on Friday night.

1555
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 2: So the the two like centerpieces of this bluegrass music

1556
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 2: and bourbon.

1557
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 3: That's correct.

1558
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:22,800
Speaker 14: Tell me about the bourbon. It's all about Kentucky, right.

1559
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 14: So we have a great sponsor in New Reff who

1560
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:27,800
Speaker 14: was just.

1561
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:33,600
Speaker 3: Prized with the world's best.

1562
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 14: Bourbon, and that is part of what we're doing that

1563
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 14: it's a bottled and bond product that we're putting into

1564
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 14: our cocktail called the Bonded Spirit. Okay, So again we

1565
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 14: are really celebrating the whole Bottled and Bond Act, and

1566
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 14: Covington claims it is ours. So you know, in the

1567
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 14: whole state of Kentucky, we're really the ones that can

1568
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 14: capture it and take it in. Honestly, right now we

1569
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:07,880
Speaker 14: have the biggest bottom bond celebration in the world.

1570
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 2: You guys, do we in Covington, Kentucky, Kentucky. I think

1571
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:12,680
Speaker 2: a lot of folks would be surprised to hear that.

1572
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, you know what, come down and find out

1573
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 3: what it's all about.

1574
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:18,719
Speaker 2: All right, bettert history explain the Bottled and Bond Act.

1575
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:23,719
Speaker 14: So the Bottom and Bond Act was enacted in eighteen

1576
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 14: ninety seven and it was the first attempt.

1577
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:30,680
Speaker 3: Well it really wasn't an attempt. They did it.

1578
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 14: It was the first regulations set by the federal government

1579
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 14: to protect us from all the bad things that could

1580
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:41,760
Speaker 14: go into a product that we wouldn't know was in it.

1581
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 14: So you know, of all the products that were being made,

1582
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 14: they chose bourbon to be the first. So people were

1583
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 14: more concerned about their bourbon and what was in it

1584
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 14: than anything else. So you know, later on it came

1585
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:01,120
Speaker 14: the FDA and everything else, but it was regulated. They

1586
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 14: put these barrels in locked warehouses and the government watched

1587
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:09,599
Speaker 14: over them to make sure that they weren't tainted or

1588
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 14: anything was going into them that shouldn't be going into them.

1589
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:17,280
Speaker 14: So that took place today, that took place, So it

1590
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 14: was the act happened in this day.

1591
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:25,680
Speaker 3: March third, eighteen ninety seven. Wow, bit a history. You

1592
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:26,519
Speaker 3: learned something.

1593
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 2: Familiar, way smarter than you were before I got here.

1594
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 2: That doesn't take all that much, all right. So the

1595
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 2: ticketed event Saturday tickets available. Now get it for Saturday.

1596
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 2: You also get it on Friday. That's bondedspirit dot com.

1597
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 2: Anything else we need to know. Cheers, I love it,

1598
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 2: have a good time. Yeah, most definitely Bondedspirit dot com.

1599
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 2: The Bonded Spirit Bluegrass Festival is happening right now. It

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01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 2: goes through Saturday. The Saturday show is a ticketed event,

1601
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:59,800
Speaker 2: so get your tickets and learn more about the establishments involved,

1602
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty six lineup, and so much more. Go

1603
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:08,000
Speaker 2: to Bondedspirit dot com. That's Bondedspirit dot com. And don't

1604
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 2: forget we will be broadcasting in twenty three days. I

1605
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 2: wish we were broadcasting from the Bonded Spirit Bluegrass Festival.

1606
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 2: We will be broadcasting from Smoke Justice on opening Day

1607
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:22,200
Speaker 2: from noon to three on March the twenty sixth, three

1608
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 2: weeks from this coming Thursday. Getting set for a big

1609
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 2: college basketball night. Tonight's a big game for the UC

1610
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 2: Bearcats and all of them the rest of the way

1611
01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 2: are and their chances may be remote. They may be

1612
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:38,480
Speaker 2: slightly better than remote. I'll say slightly better than remote.

1613
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 2: But the bubble could burst if the Bearcats lose to

1614
01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:45,720
Speaker 2: AJ DEBONSA and BYU tonight. But they are playing with

1615
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:49,920
Speaker 2: at least a chance, maybe a small chance, but at

1616
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:51,920
Speaker 2: least the chance. We'll talk about the Bearcats and there

1617
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:56,559
Speaker 2: a NCAA tournament hopes Miami plays their final home game tonight,

1618
01:18:56,640 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 2: two to go to finish the regular season undefeated. What

1619
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 2: about their possible at large chances? Those two and other

1620
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:07,680
Speaker 2: schools with our guy, Hunter Sansum, the official bracketologist of

1621
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 2: this show, coming up at five oh five on ESPN

1622
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:13,040
Speaker 2: fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports station.

1623
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 3: You know who's listening.

1624
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 8: You found Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

1625
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:21,639
Speaker 2: I there you go, before we're done. Maybe the last ever,

1626
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:26,280
Speaker 2: maybe the last ever Trey Hendrickson segment on this show.

1627
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:32,439
Speaker 2: Maybe we're done early UK Hoop's coming up at five thirty.

1628
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:35,600
Speaker 2: The Wildcats on the road tonight against Texas A and

1629
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:40,599
Speaker 2: m A. Kentucky is pretty safely in the NCAA Tournament.

1630
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 2: The official bracketologist of this show is Hunter Sansum, who's

1631
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:50,360
Speaker 2: becoming like he's developing a sports media, certainly a college

1632
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 2: basketball empire. His website this time of year is a

1633
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:58,559
Speaker 2: great resource. We don't need Joe Lenardi, we don't need

1634
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 2: any of these other BRACKETA hacks. We've got Hunter. He

1635
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 2: is on Twitter at bracket NKY and he's with us now.

1636
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:09,920
Speaker 2: You know, just FYI, before Lance McCallister ever had you

1637
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 2: on we were first. Let's just make sure we've established that.

1638
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 9: Okay, we have established that, and I think I helped

1639
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 9: establish that last night.

1640
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 2: Very good you did. And I you know, Lance, Lance

1641
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 2: should be I have no trust me. I wish I

1642
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 2: was confused for Lance McCallister more often. He should be offended.

1643
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:27,519
Speaker 2: So if he doesn't invite you on anymore, you know,

1644
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 2: you kind of made your own bed.

1645
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:31,680
Speaker 4: Okay, absolutely, it's understandable.

1646
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 2: Let's start with with the bearcats. I think most UC

1647
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 2: fans look at this and go when tonight win at TCU,

1648
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 2: neither of which are going to be easy get to

1649
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:44,960
Speaker 2: in Kansas City, and they're at least in the conversation.

1650
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 2: I think looking at it that way, while I get it,

1651
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:51,080
Speaker 2: it's sort of I don't know, it doesn't quite take

1652
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 2: into consideration how hard it is to leap frog, the

1653
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:56,599
Speaker 2: number of teams they're going to have to jump over.

1654
01:20:56,680 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 2: How do you look at them?

1655
01:20:58,960 --> 01:20:59,680
Speaker 3: I agree with that.

1656
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 9: I think I mean having a little bit of optimism

1657
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 9: on this last little bit here is obviously a good thing,

1658
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:09,000
Speaker 9: but it's a steep road to climb, and they're still

1659
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 9: pretty far out For me. I do have them about

1660
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 9: seven or eighth out, But there's a gap between that,

1661
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:15,760
Speaker 9: like five and six out and seven and eight and

1662
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 9: non down, So pretty far challenge for them to get here,

1663
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 9: But there's a chance.

1664
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 4: I mean, that's all you can ask for.

1665
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:24,440
Speaker 2: Uh, lose tonight in the bubble burst though correct.

1666
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:27,599
Speaker 9: Absolutely, yeah, you can't lose probably before the semi finals

1667
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:29,840
Speaker 9: is a Big twelve championship having a chance.

1668
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:33,679
Speaker 2: Generally speaking, how often do teams go from that next

1669
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:35,880
Speaker 2: four out this late in the season, the final week

1670
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 2: of the regular season across college basketball? How often do

1671
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:42,200
Speaker 2: teams go from next four out to playing themselves in?

1672
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:45,519
Speaker 9: I mean, I would say it happens every now and again.

1673
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:47,679
Speaker 3: I locally.

1674
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:49,680
Speaker 9: Last year, I know, Zavier was kind of flirting right

1675
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 9: in the similar situation, a little bit better of a

1676
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:55,000
Speaker 9: spot than Cincinnati is now, but they kind of did

1677
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 9: that same thing where they jumped up towards the end.

1678
01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:59,519
Speaker 9: So it's possible that we don't see one every year.

1679
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 2: So Miami RedHawks have two regular season games remaining. They

1680
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 2: have to play at home tonight against Toledo on the

1681
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 2: road against Oe You on Friday. If they win those two,

1682
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 2: how good or not good do you feel about their

1683
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:13,559
Speaker 2: at large chances?

1684
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:16,120
Speaker 4: I feel really good about their chances.

1685
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:17,880
Speaker 9: If they go undefeated to the next two games, they

1686
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 9: get to that thirty one and oh, they should feel really.

1687
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:22,160
Speaker 3: Good about their chances.

1688
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:24,240
Speaker 9: If we're leaving a team out that's thirty and oh,

1689
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 9: thirty one and oh out of the tournament, then we

1690
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:28,479
Speaker 9: need to reevaluate what gets teams into the tournament.

1691
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 2: What did you make of Bruce Pearl's commentary about the RedHawks.

1692
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:37,559
Speaker 9: I mean, and Bruce obviously was referring to Auburn as

1693
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:41,000
Speaker 9: we during those segments. It's very clear in my opinion

1694
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 9: that he doesn't need to be speaking about Auburn if

1695
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 9: he can't separate fact from fandom. And I felt like

1696
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:49,559
Speaker 9: there was a little bit of I'm pulling for Auburn

1697
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 9: because my son coaches there. I just retired from there,

1698
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:56,080
Speaker 9: and that's just unacceptable from somebody on a national stage

1699
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:56,280
Speaker 9: like that.

1700
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:59,720
Speaker 2: So that's my perspective as well, because I don't think

1701
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 2: what he said is anything I really object to. Metrics

1702
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:05,599
Speaker 2: say the same thing, right. Metrics don't have him as

1703
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 2: one of the best sixty eight. Par Torvik doesn't, Ken

1704
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 2: Palm doesn't. Now the schedule is being considered. The schedule

1705
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:14,640
Speaker 2: is why we're having this conversation to begin with, I

1706
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:17,120
Speaker 2: feel like if the same message was being delivered by

1707
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:19,599
Speaker 2: almost anybody else, that would have been better received.

1708
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:23,360
Speaker 9: Absolutely, or even if Bruce could have done it and

1709
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:26,600
Speaker 9: said anything other than we, just when you're referring to we,

1710
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 9: It just really rubbed me the wrong way personally. I

1711
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:31,680
Speaker 9: didn't think that it was appropriate for him to be

1712
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:32,719
Speaker 9: saying it as he did.

1713
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:35,519
Speaker 2: In your opinion, can they get in the RedHawks as

1714
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:38,080
Speaker 2: an at large if they lose either of their final

1715
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 2: two regular season games?

1716
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:44,200
Speaker 9: I have a hard time seeing it. Just I want

1717
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:47,080
Speaker 9: to say yes, but I struggle because they're going to

1718
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:48,360
Speaker 9: take a bad loss. They're not going to have a

1719
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 9: really good win to offset that, and I feel like

1720
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:53,559
Speaker 9: the committee would probably just be looking for a reason

1721
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Speaker 9: to leave them out.

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Speaker 4: How much did it before with like Indiana State?

1723
01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 2: How much? How much does it matter when if they

1724
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 2: were to lose and look, I hope they win the

1725
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:02,800
Speaker 2: next two and win three in Cleveland and it's a

1726
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:05,799
Speaker 2: mood point. How much does it How nervous should Miami

1727
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:07,880
Speaker 2: fans feel if they lose their first game in the

1728
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:08,559
Speaker 2: MAC Tournament?

1729
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 3: Pretty nervous?

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Speaker 9: I mean that would be the only scenario, I really

1731
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:17,160
Speaker 9: see them missing. The tech becomes is the committee going

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01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:20,479
Speaker 9: to actually evaluate the conference tournaments? Have they already selected

1733
01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:23,080
Speaker 9: Miami at that point? I would say at that point

1734
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:25,479
Speaker 9: it's kind of a toss up, and they'd be reason

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01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 9: to be pretty nervous.

1736
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:29,799
Speaker 2: In your latest model, you have them as a ten seed,

1737
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:32,639
Speaker 2: give me the seed ceiling in the seed floor, both

1738
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:35,200
Speaker 2: as an at large and as an automatic qualifier.

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01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:39,839
Speaker 9: If they go undefeated, completely undefeated, I think that they're

1740
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:41,080
Speaker 9: destined probably.

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01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:42,679
Speaker 3: For the nine line.

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Speaker 9: I feel like the committee has done this in the

1743
01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:46,519
Speaker 9: past where they don't really know exactly what to do

1744
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:48,160
Speaker 9: with the team, so they'll just kind of throw them at.

1745
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:48,800
Speaker 3: That nine seed.

1746
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:51,599
Speaker 9: You get the single digit, but then you're still you're

1747
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:53,240
Speaker 9: going to have to face a one seed pretty much

1748
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 9: next game.

1749
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 3: If you win.

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Speaker 9: That being said, if they lose, let's say to Akron

1751
01:24:57,520 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 9: and the conference championship game, I think that there is

1752
01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:02,680
Speaker 9: a high likelihood that they would be in Bayton as

1753
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:04,600
Speaker 9: one of those first or last four teams in In

1754
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 9: those playing games.

1755
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:08,240
Speaker 2: You may not have the answer to this question when

1756
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:11,599
Speaker 2: you have non Division one games on your resume. They

1757
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 2: effectively didn't happen as they were laid to the NCAA tournament.

1758
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:17,800
Speaker 2: How often has a team had three such games like

1759
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:18,639
Speaker 2: Miami this year.

1760
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:22,600
Speaker 9: It's not super frequent that we see a team that

1761
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:26,599
Speaker 9: we're evaluating like this with the three non D one games.

1762
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 9: And a great point to bring up here is a

1763
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:31,840
Speaker 9: lot of people are floating the No. Twenty one nine

1764
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:34,680
Speaker 9: team has ever been left out right now for the

1765
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:37,599
Speaker 9: terms of the tournament, Miami sits at twenty six wins

1766
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:39,840
Speaker 9: because they've got those three non D one wins, so

1767
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:42,080
Speaker 9: they're not quite there yet, but it has not happened

1768
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:42,679
Speaker 9: very often.

1769
01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:46,000
Speaker 2: I feel like Kentucky has gone from not a locked

1770
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:49,240
Speaker 2: to it's kind of interesting to think about how high

1771
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:51,639
Speaker 2: their seed might get. Give me seeds ceiling and floor

1772
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 2: for the Wildcats.

1773
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 9: Ceiling and I'm talking if they run the table. The

1774
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:58,439
Speaker 9: rest of the way is maybe a five seed. Feel

1775
01:25:58,479 --> 01:26:00,680
Speaker 9: like the six seeds probably where they up, unless they

1776
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:03,839
Speaker 9: would like in the SEC championship game and beat Florida

1777
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:07,400
Speaker 9: this weekend. I feel like a floor's probably the seventh seed.

1778
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:09,640
Speaker 9: They have some really good wins, they have really good metrics.

1779
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 9: We were just kind of waiting on them to kind

1780
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:13,120
Speaker 9: of pick up the pace and they have here recently,

1781
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 9: so I think Kentucky's floor is probably a seven and

1782
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:17,360
Speaker 9: ceilings of five.

1783
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:20,720
Speaker 2: Ohio State, it's a big home win against Purdue. You

1784
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:23,439
Speaker 2: have them in the field. How strong is their hold

1785
01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:25,800
Speaker 2: on that eleven seed, which I would imagine you would

1786
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:28,240
Speaker 2: have them playing in Dayton, So I.

1787
01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:31,440
Speaker 3: Actually have them above Dayton. The bubble is extremely weak.

1788
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:34,320
Speaker 9: And picking up a home win against Purdue now gives

1789
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:37,680
Speaker 9: them two wins against the field and that's a Q

1790
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:39,639
Speaker 9: to one a win as well with the Perdue wins.

1791
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:41,320
Speaker 9: So it's a really strong win, better than a lot

1792
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:44,080
Speaker 9: of the other teams have, and their metrics are really solid,

1793
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:46,200
Speaker 9: so they should feel pretty good. Still have some work

1794
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 9: to do, of course, but they should feel a lot

1795
01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 9: better this week than they did last week.

1796
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:51,639
Speaker 2: But as a UC fan, I should root for Ohio

1797
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:56,719
Speaker 2: State to beat Indiana in the regular season finale. Yes,

1798
01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:02,160
Speaker 2: Indiana loses to Michigan State, and I feel like they

1799
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 2: when it comes to projections, they kind of haven't moved right,

1800
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 2: Like from your perspective, you have them first four out,

1801
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 2: if you had them last four in, how much do

1802
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 2: you move based on losing a game like that, even

1803
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 2: though it was at home to a team like Michigan State, so.

1804
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:20,720
Speaker 9: Around the bubble not necessarily a ton. Honestly, all of

1805
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:23,200
Speaker 9: these teams you look at Virginia Tech, Indiana, Auburn, San

1806
01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:26,600
Speaker 9: Diego State, all of them have very compelling reasons to

1807
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:28,640
Speaker 9: be out at this point, and then all of them

1808
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:30,240
Speaker 9: you could make an argument for them to be in.

1809
01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 9: Indiana is sitting at four and twelve right now in

1810
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:36,799
Speaker 9: their quadrant one to two games, those top end games,

1811
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:38,160
Speaker 9: and that's just not enough.

1812
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 4: So they need to pick up another winn or two.

1813
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:41,960
Speaker 9: But they're not moving a ton game to game right now.

1814
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:45,599
Speaker 2: If Indiana loses to Minnesota, does the bubble burst?

1815
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:47,559
Speaker 3: Yes.

1816
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:51,519
Speaker 2: If Xavier beats Seaton Hall, how much does that help

1817
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 2: the Bearcats?

1818
01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 9: It knocks Seaton Hall completely out. I don't think Seaton

1819
01:27:56,840 --> 01:27:59,120
Speaker 9: Hall necessarily has a chance because they don't have good

1820
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:01,200
Speaker 9: games on their schedule left. The Big East is so

1821
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:04,639
Speaker 9: down that hurts them, but it will eliminate Seaton Hall,

1822
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:05,879
Speaker 9: so it would definitely help Cincinnati.

1823
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:08,560
Speaker 2: All right, So I'm looking at teams in front of Cincinnati.

1824
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:10,680
Speaker 2: Like you talk about it being a weak bubble, like

1825
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:14,479
Speaker 2: Auburn's resume for me, is Indiana is sort of the

1826
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 2: same so, like, how relative to the teams directly in

1827
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:21,519
Speaker 2: front of Cincinnati, Understanding the Bearcats have to win a

1828
01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:23,839
Speaker 2: lot of games in a short amount of time, how

1829
01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 2: how hard will it be to leap frog some of

1830
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:28,880
Speaker 2: those individual teams that you have in front of UC.

1831
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:32,240
Speaker 9: So, I mean I have teams like Cal and Seaton

1832
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:34,840
Speaker 9: Fall that are directly in front. I don't necessarily think

1833
01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:36,600
Speaker 9: it'll be hard for them to jump them, especially if

1834
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:38,800
Speaker 9: they beat BYU tonight. I think that kind of takes

1835
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:42,320
Speaker 9: care of itself. When you start looking at San Diego State, Auburn, Indiana,

1836
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:45,720
Speaker 9: Virginia Tech, which are the next scour there, it's going

1837
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:48,040
Speaker 9: to be a little bit more difficult, but not impossible.

1838
01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:50,680
Speaker 9: They're probably going to need some of these teams.

1839
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:51,439
Speaker 3: Ahead of them to lose.

1840
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:53,760
Speaker 9: So when you start talking about like the VCUS, the

1841
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 9: Santa Claras, the Texas A and MS actually in the field,

1842
01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 9: Cincinnati wants those teams to lose as well. So you

1843
01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:02,120
Speaker 9: want Santa Player to lose to a subpart team in

1844
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:04,920
Speaker 9: the BCC Championship, You want BCU to lose their next

1845
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 9: game Texas A and M. You want Kentucky to beat

1846
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:08,400
Speaker 9: them and beat them bad.

1847
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:12,120
Speaker 2: Tonight awesome stuff. As always, you called me by the

1848
01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 2: correct name. The next time you're on with Lance, I

1849
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Speaker 2: need you to call him Mo again and uh we

1850
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:23,040
Speaker 2: will probably bother you next week. I don't know Hunter

1851
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Speaker 2: went away. I didn't hear what he had to say,

1852
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:26,920
Speaker 2: but I'm sure it was I'm sure it was friendly. Nonetheless, Hunter,

1853
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Speaker 2: thank you as always, make sure you check out first

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Speaker 2: He is becoming like I'm trying to think of the

1859
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1861
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