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Speaker 1: I've got some favorites in elected office in DC. One

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Speaker 1: podcast in my conversation with Thomas Massey from yesterday at

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Speaker 1: my podcast page fifty five cars dot com. And yes,

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Speaker 1: my next guest, Senator Ran Paul. Thank you to the

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Speaker 1: residents of the Commonwealth Kentucky for both of those men.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, Senator Paul. It's a pleasure to having you

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Speaker 1: on the show today.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Brian, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Another bite at the apple. Another resolution shot down. Senate

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Speaker 1: said fifty four to forty five no, rejecting the proposal

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Speaker 1: to continuing resolution funding levels at Biden era level, which

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Speaker 1: passed in the House. You were one. I think you

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Speaker 1: were the only the lone Republican to vote against yesterday's measure.

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Speaker 1: My listeners are aware that this is all revolving around

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Speaker 1: the Democrats desire to continue COVID era tax credits, which

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Speaker 1: COVID's over This comes at a very expensive cost of

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Speaker 1: the American taxpayer and also allows illegal immigrants to get

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Speaker 1: hooked up to Obamacare. Now, with that in mind, explain

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Speaker 1: to my listeners your rationale for saying no yesterday and previously.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm against the Obamacare of subsidies. I've voted

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Speaker 2: against every addition to Obamacare since the very beginning, and

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Speaker 2: we'll continue to oppose that. What we had before us, though,

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Speaker 2: is two different spending proposals. One is a Democrat proposal.

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Speaker 2: It has the Obamacare subsidies in it, and it also

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Speaker 2: has about a trillion dollars more in spending for a

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: The Republican alternative, though, isn't a lot better. The Republican

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Speaker 2: it will lead to about a two trillion dollar deficit.

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Speaker 2: So basically, the Republicans we have a two trillion in

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Speaker 2: deficit to Democrats three. And I'm not for either of those.

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Speaker 2: But I've put forward an alternative. My alternative is called

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Speaker 2: the Penny Plan, and they voted on it about two

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Speaker 2: weeks ago, and we had thirty six Republicans, which is

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Speaker 2: the Penny Plan, which balances the budget within five years

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Speaker 2: dramatically reduces the deficit in the first year, and we

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Speaker 2: they are, and then we lost all the Democrats. So

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Speaker 2: there aren't the numbers yet to do the right thing.

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Speaker 2: But there still has to be somebody up here who

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Speaker 2: is trying to do the right thing and votes against deficits,

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Speaker 1: How do you see this playing out? Because Wall Street

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Speaker 1: Journal reported that some Republicans are saying, Eh, you might

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Speaker 1: want to watch what you're doing, Donald Trump, because you're

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Speaker 1: talking about laying off chunks of employees permanently and closing

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Speaker 1: certain offices of the government through the OMB reduction thing

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Speaker 1: that he's mentioned before. I guess I'm wondering what's your

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Speaker 1: take on that. Do you see Republicans capitulating it all?

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Speaker 1: I know there's one proposal out there that you would

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Speaker 1: never vote for, which extends these supplements for one year,

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Speaker 1: kicking the can down the road. But what of moving

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, when you look at this and you look

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Speaker 3: get every Democrat vote in December of last year for

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Speaker 2: Every Democrat supported them. This is the exact same bill.

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Speaker 2: This is no different than what they voted for, absolutely

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Speaker 2: no difference. I think really the pain is going to

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Speaker 2: rest of them will probably capitulate and give them the

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Speaker 2: Obamacare subsidies. People have to realize though, also these are

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Speaker 2: not the original subsidies from when Obamacare passed. These were

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Speaker 2: The reason they're expiring now is not because Republicans are

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Speaker 1: Now, it's such a clear concept, you know, the idea

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Speaker 1: something that really doesn't impact most Americans. I think that's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the Democrats have trouble overcoming the fact

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Speaker 2: they stood up to Republicans. Then they'll have to sort

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Speaker 2: And then the Democrats saw allow the government to open

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Speaker 1: Fair enough and pivoting over to you perhaps being spied on.

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Speaker 1: You weren't among the senators who identified that. Jack Smith

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Speaker 1: but in twenty twenty three, he subpoened phone records from

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Speaker 1: What's your reaction to this happening, Senator Paul?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I think there's going to be repercussions in

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Speaker 2: Thomas every moment of the last week, I can tell

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Speaker 2: Justice Roberts actually wrote that the subpoenas will still be

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Speaker 2: so I think that absolutely he did something that the

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Speaker 2: actually standing against the phone company because the phone company. Basically, unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: I love successful business. I don't like a business it's

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Speaker 2: turning over my private records to the government without a fight.

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Speaker 1: No, and they can fight. I mean, they've got lawyers

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Speaker 1: at Anthe and Blue Cross and Blue Shield all the

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And if it's true and the hostages are free

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Speaker 2: something that Donald Trump deserves. If it's successful, it deserves

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Speaker 2: This this ability to be you know this sometimes at

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Speaker 3: To make a deal.

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Speaker 2: Howmas wouldn't you settle? I mean, they've been decimated, most

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Speaker 2: my goodness is they could give up the hostages. You know, they're,

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be a wonderful thing? And wow, all in

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Speaker 1: Trump's first term, so much progress.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing, it really is. This has been a whirlwind

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Speaker 1: entire life. Senator Rampaul, thank you again for your time today.

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Speaker 1: Keep up the great work and I'll look forward to

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