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Speaker 1: This is a podcast from WOR Now, the WOR Saturday

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Speaker 1: Morning Show.

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Speaker 2: Here's Larry Minty. Welcome this Saturday morning. On this week's show,

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Speaker 2: it's official Republican Congresswoman Elis Staphonic is running for governor.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk with former Republican gubernatorial candidate and WOOR host

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Speaker 2: Rob Astorino about her chances. The New York mayor's race

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Speaker 2: was just depressing. We'll seek some solace from political analyst J. C. Polanco,

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Speaker 2: who is equally upset. The Rock and Roll Hall of

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Speaker 2: Fame is tonight, and we'll talk with the chairman of

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Speaker 2: the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, John Sykes, about

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Speaker 2: what do expect. And we'll also talk with Fox News

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Speaker 2: anchor Bret Baher about his new book on the life

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Speaker 2: and legacy of Teddy Roosevelt. But first, let's talk to

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Speaker 2: Rob Astorino about the governor's race. Rob, I'm all excited

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Speaker 2: about Eleastaphonic running. What are your thoughts?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: I love Elise.

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Speaker 3: I've known at least a long time. When I ran

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Speaker 3: for governor fourteen against Cuomo, she was first running for Congress,

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Speaker 3: so she and I campaigned a lot together, you know,

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Speaker 3: as newbies on the big scene, and she's just wonderful.

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Speaker 4: She really.

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Speaker 3: She'll use a hot poker right to write to Kathy

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Speaker 3: hocheal space that she has to every day, and that's

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Speaker 3: what you need to do. But here's the butt. The

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Speaker 3: butt is what is Bruce Blakeman going to do in

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Speaker 3: Nasau County? Because I wouldn't underestimate him either. He's coming

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Speaker 3: in with huge numbers in Long Island, you know, and

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Speaker 3: that's that's the base. It's not just Nasau. Suffick is

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Speaker 3: a huge base too. You cannot win New York without

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Speaker 3: winning Long Island. So it's going to be interesting to

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Speaker 3: see and hopefully they work it out. Hopefully there's no primary,

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Speaker 3: you know. I'm my guess is that President Trump is

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Speaker 3: going to have a lot to say who gets the nomination,

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Speaker 3: and I think both of them would clearly abide by that.

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Speaker 3: But I would say we would win or could win

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Speaker 3: with either one of them. They're both terrific and Bruce

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Speaker 3: obviously just coming off of a major win. But Alisa's

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Speaker 3: been gearing up. She's got a ton of money.

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Speaker 5: Which is what you need and what we've always been

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Speaker 5: handicapped by as the Republican nominee running for governor, no

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Speaker 5: matter who it's been, We just we haven't had the

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Speaker 5: money and we haven't had the infrastructure. She has both,

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Speaker 5: and Bruce, by the way, has infrastructure and can raise

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Speaker 5: the money too. So I think we're set up either

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Speaker 5: way to have a real competitive governor's race.

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Speaker 2: So Mike Lawler is a non factor. He's definitely not running.

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Speaker 3: Now, right, Mike's not running. No, Mike's and you know

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Speaker 3: Mike's going to have a battle on his hands in

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Speaker 3: his district. But I think Mike will win and Mike,

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Speaker 3: you know, Mike has raised a lot of money. Mike

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Speaker 3: will get a lot of support nationally. That's a key race.

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Speaker 3: What literally it comes down to with all the redistrict

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Speaker 3: game that all these states are going to do again,

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Speaker 3: it's gonna come down to maybe five races, and his

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Speaker 3: going to be one of them, and who controls the House.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you that I think Donald Trump is

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Speaker 2: going to get involved in this, and if I were

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Speaker 2: to lay odds, I think he's going to try to

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Speaker 2: convince Bruce Blakeman not to run. A primary doesn't do

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Speaker 2: anybody any good. It wastes some funds, and it weakens

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Speaker 2: weakens a candidate. So he's gonna get involved and he's

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Speaker 2: gonna have to pick one of them. And I think

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Speaker 2: gonna be a tough phone call for Bruce Blakeman. But

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Speaker 2: I'm sure he'll be offered something.

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Speaker 3: I think he Yeah, I mean, I think whoever is

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Speaker 3: Or maybe it's the ticket, you know, maybe it's a

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Speaker 3: Stephanic Blakeman ticket. I don't know, but either way, we

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Speaker 3: can't go wrong with either one of those two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I absolutely agree with you. I'm just so

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Speaker 2: thrilled that I'm able to talk to you about this today.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about zorin mom, Donnie. I know we've been

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Speaker 2: talking a lot about that. Yeah, we do have to.

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Speaker 2: I think people really should be concerned about that victory

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Speaker 2: speech because that was a different person. That wasn't the person.

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Speaker 3: Now that was him, that was him.

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Speaker 2: Well, let me finish the sentence, because it's a different

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Speaker 2: person than people voted for. He showed them this nice,

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Speaker 2: smiling socialist that wants to improve their lives. That was

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Speaker 2: an angry communist that gave that speech.

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Speaker 3: They're all angry that's what socialism and communism is all about.

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Speaker 3: It's about anger, it's about envy, you know, all the

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Speaker 3: bad stuff, and that's what that's what came out. And

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Speaker 3: if we had a functioning media in this city, we

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Speaker 3: would have known about Zorrahn, mom Dami and the truth,

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Speaker 3: you know, the entire way. But of course they didn't

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Speaker 3: you've got all these buffoons who were happy about him.

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Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, I have talked to people, my wife

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Speaker 3: over the last several days, and we are shocked at

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Speaker 3: who has said I like that guy, or you know what,

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Speaker 3: I've voted for him, and we sit there just the

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Speaker 3: thought bubbles. Are you forget moron? What is wrong with you?

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Speaker 3: And it's just like, yeah, give him a shot. They

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Speaker 3: don't realize this is just not a normal candidate. Give

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Speaker 3: him a shot. This is something so different, and they

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Speaker 3: either weren't paying attention or they're just so fed up.

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Speaker 3: And I think a lot of people are just so

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Speaker 3: fed up. But can't wait till January first.

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Speaker 2: No, I agree with you, I agree with everything you said,

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Speaker 2: and you can't blame your neighbors, and you can't blame

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Speaker 2: the people that voted for him for not knowing better,

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Speaker 2: because you're right. The media has been embarrassing with him,

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Speaker 2: absolutely embarrassing, and I've shuddered to think what future elections

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Speaker 2: how to handle it. I don't know how it can

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Speaker 2: be fixed. I guess people just have to watch Fox

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Speaker 2: News and Newsmax where you're on. Rob Astorino, former Westchester

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Speaker 2: County executive host of the rab Asta A Reno Show

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Speaker 2: on WOR Saturdays four to five and as I just said,

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Speaker 2: host of Saturday Agenda one to three on Newsmax, and

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Speaker 2: he's with us every Friday at this time. Tune into Rob.

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Speaker 2: It's a great show. I was proud to be part

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Speaker 2: of it last week. Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was fun.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for coming on my radio show last week.

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Speaker 2: Coming up next, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

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Speaker 2: Induction is tonight. We'll talk with the chair of the Hall,

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Speaker 2: John Sykes, about what to expect when Saturday Morning continues.

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Speaker 1: Here again is Larry Minty with the WOOR Saturday Morning Show.

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Speaker 2: It is one of the best shows on TV and

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Speaker 2: it happens once a year, the induction into the Rock

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Speaker 2: and Roll Hall of Fame. What can we expect tonight?

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Speaker 2: Here's John Sykes, chairman of the Rock and Roll Hall

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Speaker 2: of Fame. John. Nice to meet you.

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Speaker 6: Oh, nice to meet you. Thanks for having me on

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Speaker 6: the show after a very busy week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be a busy week, I'm sure

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Speaker 2: for you as well. I mean, I guess all of

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Speaker 6: Well, it's interesting because if you look at tomorrow, we're

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Speaker 6: twenty four hours away from from our fortieth induction ceremony.

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Speaker 6: We began working on probably seven or eight months ago,

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Speaker 6: so it's been a long time coming. But when you're

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Speaker 6: to collaborate with them, it's a bit of a Rubik's

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Speaker 2: They make it smooth, right and It's fascinating too, because

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Speaker 2: it's a TV show, and everythinks of a TV show

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Speaker 2: So it is a performance that is then has to

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Speaker 6: Now, Yes, exactly. That's rock and roll. Rock and roll

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Speaker 6: But what's what's really unique about the Rock and Roll

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Speaker 6: young artists paying tribute to their heroes. So you know,

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Speaker 6: So it's this incredible collection of movie stars, personalities and

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Speaker 2: No, And that's the best part of the show every

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Speaker 6: Well, we always say that's rock and roll, and rock

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Speaker 6: it really is a lot of artists in their twenties

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Speaker 2: Now you have been with the Rock and Roll Hall

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Speaker 2: of Fame, you've been the past performances, You've probably seen

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Speaker 6: It was I was in seventh grade. It was a

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Speaker 2: Well, you were ahead of your time with some of

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Speaker 6: Thanks so much, and please tune in on Disney Plus

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Speaker 2: Always watch it. Thanks a lot.

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Speaker 2: mayoral election gave us a socialist mayor, Zorhan Mom, Donnie,

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Speaker 1: Now more of the WOOR Saturday Morning Show and Larry

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Speaker 2: The voter turnout was record setting. The outcome expected Democratic

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Speaker 2: New York City and political analyst JC Polonko is not

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Speaker 2: happy about it. So, Jc, have you decided where you're

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Speaker 4: You know what, I'm not leaving. I'm not leaving. I'm

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Speaker 4: These folks are paying the overwhelming majority of the taxes

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Speaker 4: So let's hope they don't leave because we desperately need them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. We talked to somebody a couple of weeks ago

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Speaker 2: That would just if that happens, JC, if the top

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Speaker 4: Oh, there's there's no question about it. You know, I

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Speaker 4: Let's hope there's a change of tone. I think here

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Speaker 2: Explain what you just meant when you said I didn't

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Speaker 4: Well, look, yesterday I heard an assemblment mon Donnie, and

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Speaker 4: Having said that, it's incredibly clear to me that the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to get back to what you said,

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I hope that's not the case. But

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Speaker 2: I think he's a great actor. He's a tremendous actor.

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Speaker 2: was extremely valuable. I appreciate your insight all the time.

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Speaker 4: Oh it's Larry, think so much. J. C.

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Speaker 2: Polanco, political analyst and University of Mount Saint Vincent assistant

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Speaker 2: professor and attorney. Up next, on Saturday Morning, Fox News

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Speaker 2: anchor Brett Bher tells us about his new book on

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Speaker 2: Teddy Roosevelt.

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Speaker 1: Here's Larry Minting with more of the wr Saturday Morning Show.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. Well, you know Brett Baer as the chief

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Speaker 2: political anchor on Fox News. You watch him every day,

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Speaker 2: but he's also a best selling author on history. He's

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Speaker 2: written his sixth book in a series on US presidents,

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Speaker 2: This one called to Rescue the American Spirit, Teddy Roosevelt

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Speaker 2: and the Rise of a Superpower.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you this is a great honor. I watch

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Speaker 2: you every night, and I appreciate the work you've done.

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Speaker 2: I also read the Ronald Reagan book Three Days in Moscow.

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Speaker 2: You are a wonderful story, and I'm looking forward to

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Speaker 2: your next book. Thinking Roosevelt is a wonderful topic. I

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Speaker 2: think that a lot of people know his bluster and

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Speaker 2: know him as this bigger than life politician. I'm not

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Speaker 2: sure people understand what a great conservationist he was as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: thank you for having me.

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Speaker 7: Teddy Roosevelt is a character, you know, he jumps off

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Speaker 7: the page to your point. He's so passionate and energetic,

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Speaker 7: and it is just such a rich character full of anecdotes. That's,

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Speaker 7: you know, easy to write about his life each one

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Speaker 7: of these books. So this is my sixth, believe it

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Speaker 7: or not. I started with Eisenhower Three Days in January,

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Speaker 7: then Reagan Three Days in Moscow, then FDR Three Days

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Speaker 7: at the Brink, then Grant to Rescue the Republic, then

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Speaker 7: Washington to rescue the Constitution, and this one Teddy Roosevelt

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Speaker 7: to rescue the American spirit. The reason this is so

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Speaker 7: relevant is each one of these books I look at

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Speaker 7: a soda straw moment in history that maybe was overlooked

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Speaker 7: or didn't get covered that much, or history just forgot

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Speaker 7: in the big picture of context. And this one looks

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Speaker 7: at despite all of the things, including conservation, and I

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Speaker 7: talk a lot about that in the book, all the

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Speaker 7: things that Teddy Roosevelt wanted to do his legacy, he

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Speaker 7: wanted it to be that America was a global leader

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Speaker 7: on the world stage, that we were leading the way

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Speaker 7: and at the turn of the century that was really

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Speaker 7: key for the world to understand that America was in

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Speaker 7: this pole position. And how he does that is he

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Speaker 7: sees Russia and Japan fighting a territorial dispute that's actually

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Speaker 7: getting very intense and could devolve into a world war.

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Speaker 7: He reaches out to the leaders of Russia and Japan.

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Speaker 7: He sends them telegrams and letters and says, I would

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Speaker 7: like to host a peace negotiation.

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Speaker 2: In the US.

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Speaker 7: So he brings the lead and their delegations to Portsmouth,

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Speaker 7: New Hampshire, and he sets up this entire logistics of

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Speaker 7: peace negotiations, and sets up going back and forth to

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Speaker 7: the delegations, and he shuttles back and forth, and he

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Speaker 7: eventually steers them to a peace treaty, and that gets

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Speaker 7: him the Nobel Peace Prize, and that after that America

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Speaker 2: Why who does that sound like trying to get the

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Speaker 2: Nobel Peace Prize. I guess his politics were different, but

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Speaker 2: the personalities are similar, aren't they? With three percent?

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Speaker 7: You know, I wrote this well before all of that

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Speaker 7: started with the second Trump administration, So I mean, it's

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Speaker 7: not clairvoyance. Each one of these books has a moment

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Speaker 7: where I think it's really evident that history is cyclical

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Speaker 7: and it comes back around. And this is a perfect

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Speaker 7: thing that ties to that. There are similarities between Teddy

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Speaker 7: Roosevelt and Donald Trump. They're not one to one. There's

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Speaker 7: definitely different ideology and different thoughts. But Teddy Roosevelt was

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Speaker 7: called the human cyclone. I can tell you that after

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Speaker 7: ripping up a rundown in my news show six times

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Speaker 7: during a day, there's a little human cyclone. To President Trump,

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Speaker 7: he was again larger than life. He used the press.

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Speaker 7: He used the press and brought them into everything he

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Speaker 7: called them muckrakers, and he really kind of said, you're

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Speaker 7: writing the wrong things. I mean, if that doesn't sound

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Speaker 7: like President Trump, I don't know what it does. But

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Speaker 7: I also think that there's a part of it that

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Speaker 7: you can't put him in a box. You know, he

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Speaker 7: was a conservative, he was a Republican. He believed in capitalism,

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Speaker 7: but he believed in capitalism for everybody, and he really

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Speaker 7: fought for the little guy and the worker, especially the laborer.

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Speaker 7: And it didn't go to type of a Republican who was,

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Speaker 7: you know, part of an elitist family to begin with.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love the name of the book, especially the

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Speaker 2: part the birth of a Superpower. And one of my

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Speaker 2: favorite stories about Teddy Roosevelt is the Great White Fleet.

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Speaker 2: Now let you tell it, but ma'am, what an amazing

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Speaker 2: story that sounds Trump like by the way.

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Speaker 7: It does doing something out of the ordinary, out of

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Speaker 7: the box, to show America's strength. Basically, President Roosevelt says,

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Speaker 7: this is after the Peace Treaty, after America's kind of

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Speaker 7: on the world stage, Japan is starting to make rumblings again,

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Speaker 7: and President Roosevelt says, we need to do something to

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Speaker 7: show America's prominence, and so he takes the US Navy

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Speaker 7: Naval fleet, all the ships that are battleship gray and

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Speaker 7: he paints them gleaming white, and he makes the Great

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Speaker 7: White Fleet, and he sends an armada of sixteen ships

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Speaker 7: around the world to sail around the world to show

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Speaker 7: America's might. And Congress says, what are you doing.

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Speaker 2: We are not paying for this, and.

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Speaker 7: He says, we'll figure that out later, and he sends

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Speaker 7: them anyway. Eventually Congress gets on board. But they do

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Speaker 7: sail around the world, and it is the message of

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Speaker 7: peace through strength, like look at this power. They come

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Speaker 7: back ten days before the end of President Roosevelt's term,

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Speaker 7: and it turns out to be a success.

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Speaker 2: The message was sent. I always heard that. He said,

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Speaker 2: I'll send them out. I have the money to send

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Speaker 2: them out. Congress can come up with the money to

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Speaker 2: get them back. Is that a fable? That's true?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he sent them out and there was no funding

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Speaker 7: to keep them out, and Congress eventually came around and

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Speaker 7: paid for it.

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Speaker 2: You know, I have the man in the arena up

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Speaker 2: on the wall in my office at home. I always

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Speaker 2: assumed he was talking about the media, and which would

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Speaker 2: be more Trump like that he had this love hate

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Speaker 2: relationship with them. Yeah, so that's me.

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Speaker 7: It's called the Citizenship and the Public, but it becomes

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Speaker 7: known as the Man in the Arena and it's a classic.

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Speaker 7: You know, it's about the spirit of engagement. And you know,

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Speaker 7: there's a lot of people that look at it and see, say,

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Speaker 7: what is he talking about? You know, at the time

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Speaker 7: he's left the presidency and he's delivering this speech, and

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Speaker 7: believe it or not, I think he's talking about himself

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Speaker 7: because soon thereafter he decides to get back in the

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Speaker 7: arena and run for president himself.

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Speaker 2: Brett, it was a pleasure to talk to you. Brett Baer,

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Speaker 2: chief political anchor for the Fox News Channel and the

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Speaker 2: anchor and executive editor of Special Report with Brett Behar,

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Speaker 2: also most importantly, author of To Rescue the American Spirit,

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Speaker 2: Teddy Roosevelt, and The Rise of the Superpower. Thank you

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Speaker 2: so much. It was an honor. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: That wraps up Saturday Morning for this week. Thanks for listening,

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Speaker 2: and thanks to Peter Airolano for putting the show together.

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Speaker 2: Every week A great rest of your weekend.

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