1 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: This is your it is not a failure Leader fan 2 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: Fan Radio Network and k f AN. 3 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 2: Dot Com. Two minutes two seconds past the hour of 4 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 2: three o'clock Central Standard time, we welcome you back to 5 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:30,319 Speaker 2: a Thursday edition of the Bumper to Bumper program on 6 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: a well, not quite as frigid as it has tended 7 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 2: to be weekday afternoon here in the Twin cities that 8 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 2: we affectionately referred to as Minneapolis and Saint Paul. My 9 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 2: name is Dan Barrero. I am the host of the program. 10 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 2: And look who's back in town. He's in that share 11 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 2: GUARDSI has returned after another extensive road trip. The first 12 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 2: one was west. This one was East decorrect State College, Pennsylvania. 13 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 2: That's always an easy place to get to. Although you fly, 14 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: you fly with the team, so you do fly right 15 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: in there. Yes, yes, to penn State. I fly in 16 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: with the team. Yeah, yeah, right right into state college, 17 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 2: little town. And who else? 18 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 3: Who? 19 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 2: What other game was on this trip? When they're two games? 20 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 2: It was no just the one Monday I was just off. 21 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 2: You were just oh time vacation day, I see, Yeah, 22 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,119 Speaker 2: to watch some fifth graders play basketball. Yeah. Well, it's 23 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 2: good to have you back. We will be here. I'm 24 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 2: assuming six thirty tonight. That's the plan. Branch on Brian 25 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 2: Kafan text line, we will be rebooted shortly six four 26 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 2: six eighty six. Do you have have you saved somewhere 27 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 2: in your archives? So I didn't ask you this before 28 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 2: the show, and it's no big deal if you don't, 29 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,199 Speaker 2: But do you think hidden somewhere we have the famous 30 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 2: Giannis Oh yeah, I guess you could call it almost 31 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 2: a monologue. Yeah, when he gets into a I would say, 32 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 2: a non confrontational but very direct back and forth with 33 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 2: a reporter. Well, I think it used the F word 34 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 2: is in failure word about their season, and at which 35 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 2: point the key quote to come out of that was 36 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: Yanna saying, it is not a failure. If you find it, 37 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 2: let me know if there's some version of it. We 38 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 2: don't need to play the long version because it went 39 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 2: on for a while. And I think that was Gianna's 40 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 2: trying to be earnest right about answering, not being flippant. 41 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,959 Speaker 2: I found him a lot more convincing on that occasion 42 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 2: than I did the other day when he pretended to 43 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 2: be hurt and offended when Bucks fans in the middle 44 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 2: of a disastrous season, had the audacity to boo the 45 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 2: Bucks off the court at halftime when they were trailing 46 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 2: a depleted Timberwolves team by like thirty five points. Maybe 47 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 2: it's even might even more. I didn't. I don't understand 48 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 2: how you can be in this business as long as that, 49 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: and and oh how quickly they forget I mean, come on, man, 50 00:02:58,080 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 2: But he was a lot better on the It is 51 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 2: not a failure. Would you like to hear it? Yeah, 52 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 2: what's your saying? But it's easy to find, Okay. 53 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 4: Michael Jordan played fifteen years, one six championship, the other 54 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 4: nine years was a failure. That's what you're telling me. 55 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 4: I'm asking your question, yes or no? Okay exactly, So 56 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 4: why are you ask me that question. It's a wrong question. 57 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 4: There's no failure in sports. You know, there's good days, 58 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 4: bad days. Some days you are able to be successful 59 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 4: so that you're not some days it's your turn. Someday 60 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 4: it's not your turn. And that's what sports about. You 61 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 4: don't always win. Some other other people's gonna win, and 62 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 4: this year somebody else is gonna win. Similar as that, 63 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 4: we're gonna come back next year. Try to be better, 64 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 4: try to build good habits, try to play better, not 65 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 4: have ten days stretch with playing bad basketball, you know, 66 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 4: and hopefully we can win a championship. So fifty years 67 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 4: from nineteen seventy one in twenty twenty one that we 68 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 4: didn't win a championship, it was fifty years of failures. 69 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 2: No, it was not. 70 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 4: It was steps to it, you know, and. 71 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 2: That's a long time to wait by the way over 72 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 2: the steps A one. Yeah, all right, good enough, we 73 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 2: get that you get at least the flavor that was 74 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 2: the full stretch. So how much would you like to 75 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 2: be face to face Timberwolves media room? Yeah, with the 76 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 2: Greek freak. I'm just I'm just as it's enticing, it's enticing. 77 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 2: I just saw I saw you were watching Big Perk 78 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 2: and I it's interesting because I usually rail against I 79 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 2: guess what you could argue is a it's a non 80 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 2: story because it's a it's a bit of media analysis, speculation, 81 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 2: and it's fine because that's what we all do. But 82 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 2: it probably shouldn't be presented as anything but that it's 83 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 2: not news. But it caught my eye because we did 84 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:53,679 Speaker 2: talk a little bit about this yesterday. Now that Giannis 85 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 2: has said I'm done, I need someplace else. I'm ready 86 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 2: to go now most places. Here's my position. Once I 87 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 2: heard that and people asked me about the Wolves, I said, well, 88 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 2: I have no reason to believe that the Wolves are 89 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 2: front runners to Concoctor would have to be a massive 90 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 2: deal to bring the Greek freak to the Twin Cities. 91 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 2: But I will add, and I honestly and earnestly believe this, 92 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 2: that Tim Conley would not be doing his job if 93 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 2: he did not vet availability, possibilities, how numbers matched up, 94 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 2: whether it's even realistic, based on all the salary peer 95 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 2: mutations that seem to get in the way. Are you 96 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 2: immediately back in the second apron if you do something 97 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 2: like that, all that stuff. But I will again say, 98 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 2: he is we're too far along, not a cute little 99 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 2: club anymore. I don't think we can think that way anymore. 100 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 2: And I think that's part of the big time this 101 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 2: that Conley brought with him in that regard. He's proven 102 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 2: it by making two massive deals right that at the 103 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 2: time a lot of people were shocked by and didn't 104 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 2: particularly like. But this is he's too good a player 105 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 2: to not investigate exactly how possible would it be? What 106 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 2: would you be willing to get up, give up, etcetera, etcetera, 107 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 2: because I know the league's kind of gone away from 108 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 2: the two headed monster a little bit. Yep. But you 109 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 2: tell me, if you have as your two best players 110 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards, and you're honest, that's not arousing. I mean 111 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 2: that now, of course, the problem is always would be, 112 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 2: well do you have anybody else? Laught who's with them? 113 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 2: And who's left? And I get all of that, and 114 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 2: that's all. A preamble to the Perk speculation was Perks 115 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 2: rankings of the team the five teams that need yep. 116 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 2: It was a specific way the most yep. And I 117 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 2: think he's surprised even the panel by not putting Miami 118 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 2: at the top of the list, not putting the Golden 119 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 2: State Warriors or the Houston Rockets at the top of 120 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 2: the list, but putting the Minnesota Timberwolves at the top 121 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 2: of his list. Now, I had the sound turned down, 122 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 2: so I didn't hear his logic see that. I was 123 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 2: hoping you heard it, because I could see the same thing, 124 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 2: but I wasn't listening. Unfortunately, by the time I saw 125 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 2: where he was and it was, it was too late 126 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 2: for me to actually listen to what his thinking and 127 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 2: his reasoning was. I just I found it interesting that 128 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 2: because we're fly over country still relatively speaking, and I 129 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 2: would just assume, well, we won't even be No one 130 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 2: will even think of us that way. And I've heard 131 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 2: nothing from Johnny Athletic, for example, to think that it's 132 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 2: something with Giannis is percolating. But don't you agree that 133 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 2: well before I ask you the question, by definition, the 134 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 2: ballsiness of it would be, you are fundamentally to even 135 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 2: consider a deal like that, if it is even possible. 136 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 2: You are in the middle of the season, fundamentally remaking 137 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 2: your team in a way that might not make it recognizable, 138 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 2: right because you're gonna have to give up, for sure 139 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 2: a bunch to get them by the way, somebody concocted 140 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 2: And I have no idea if the math worked out yesterday. 141 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 2: I just loved the the the production and the work, 142 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 2: the effort and the effort. It was a three team deal. 143 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 2: And at the end of the three team, you know, 144 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 2: when when all the dust settled, we ended up with 145 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 2: Giannis and Crime that we'd be in the second apron. 146 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 2: Then I was gonna say, have they created the third effort? 147 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:57,719 Speaker 2: Because if they haven't. We would, we would be in 148 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 2: the third are But you have to you have to 149 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 2: look at it, don't you. You absolutely he's too good. 150 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 2: He's not old enough. Now you start his body eye 151 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 2: Will Grant is starting to break down a little bit, 152 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: But my god, he's he's still just such a magnificent player, 153 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 2: and I think a player who is mature in the 154 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 2: way he goes about his because even if I don't 155 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 2: like the way he's kind of handled it this last 156 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 2: six months in Milwaukee, you know, but inevitably that's the 157 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 2: way it seems to go. Well, you mentioned not being 158 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 2: flyover country. I think the enticing part of it and 159 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 2: why I think it's a net positive regardless of what happens, 160 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 2: because it is a really difficult trade to pull off. 161 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 2: We learned this with Durant a year ago at this time, 162 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 2: right right, because the Wolves don't have any draft picks 163 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 2: that they can trade any first rounders. They have pickswap capabilities, 164 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 2: but they'd have to get another team involved. One that's 165 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 2: gaining some speculation in Johnny's publication the athletic has to 166 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,319 Speaker 2: do with Portland, where like Jaden's going there and nas 167 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 2: is going with handled in Milwaukee, and picks are coming 168 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 2: from Portland and Milwaukee, and the whole deal that Jannis 169 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 2: apparently wouldn't mind coming here, which I always love to hear, 170 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 2: as you know, as someone who lived through the Garnett 171 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 2: era where we couldn't get anybody to come here to 172 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 2: play with Kevin Garnett. We're not fly over country and 173 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 2: most and multiple people, including I think Shams has said 174 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 2: he's intrigued. He's intrigued by what's going on in Minnesota, 175 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 2: and by Minnesota he means aunt what's going on with 176 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 2: the Anthony Edwards, which I think is a net positive 177 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 2: throughout this YA is and all that means it's worthy 178 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 2: of our discussion. That's not I don't think either of 179 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 2: us saying it's on the front burner, right, But let's 180 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 2: be honest. You'd have to the we're on the streets 181 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 2: over the last couple of years. The guy that other 182 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 2: teams request the most is Jayden. Correct, Yep, you would 183 00:10:57,760 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 2: not be able to keep him in this deal. No, 184 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 2: that would have to be one of the bridges you 185 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 2: cross right where we got to get over that. Or 186 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 2: you don't, you say it's too much. I know, it's 187 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 2: just I don't like a couple of reports about Giannis's body. 188 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 2: By the way, he's hurt and out right now, isn't he? Yes, 189 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 2: for like two or three weeks, which in of itself 190 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 2: would be a little deflating because the trade deadline is 191 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 2: what it's the first week in February, is it not? 192 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 2: It's a week from today, week from today, that's right. 193 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 2: I think it's a two o'clock central a week from today. 194 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 2: But you'd have that would be it. You just have 195 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 2: to say, well, sacrifices need to be made. And I 196 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 2: dare say, I don't think any of the other rumors 197 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 2: about Jaden have involved a player as good as Yanna's 198 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 2: coming back here right, He's on another level for sure. Correct, 199 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 2: He's a top five NBA player. 200 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 3: He is. 201 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 2: He's an MVP. He is a world champion, even at 202 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 2: his older age than some of these other guys walk. Now, 203 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 2: what is sham say? I guess I haven't followed him 204 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 2: that closely. Does he characterize where the Wolves are? Does 205 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 2: he rank him at all? Knucks Perks was not ranking 206 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:10,839 Speaker 2: who has the best chance to get him, just who 207 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 2: he believes needs needs him the most, because and I 208 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 2: don't know what his reasoning was. But I will say, 209 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 2: and I firmly believe this, there are people who say 210 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 2: and believe that, well, there's not a there's not a 211 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 2: big enough move the Wolves can make to really change 212 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 2: who they are. They kind of they're going to sink 213 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 2: or swim on the basis of what they have. I 214 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 2: heartily disagree with that, even if you're not talking about 215 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 2: a name as big as you honest, I honestly believe 216 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 2: they are required to bring in another score somehow, some way, 217 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 2: and I think that could make a big difference, even 218 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 2: if it's not a huge, huge name. I do if 219 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 2: when I mean, just think of it in just terms 220 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 2: of the math, because I know I'm not good at it. 221 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 2: But if you go from having one guy who can 222 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 2: score off the bench nas to having two who can 223 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 2: score pretty consistently irregularly off the bench, you're gonna tell 224 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 2: me that wouldn't be a big help for this team 225 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 2: taking some of the strain off offensively. It would be huge, 226 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 2: would it not. You'd be very help. Doesn't have to 227 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 2: be a big name. It has to be a guy 228 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 2: who can be a fairly consistent score like Nikhil Alexander 229 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 2: Walker was. So how does shams put it. He just says, 230 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 2: I think he doesn't put it in terms of who 231 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 2: has the best chance. He but he mentioned they honest 232 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 2: nugget that it's a place that he would want to go. 233 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 2: It's a place that he would be interested in going. 234 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 2: I think Miami was in that mix as well. Of 235 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 2: those two. Well, here's the other thing I think Wolves 236 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 2: fans should feel good about. I really do. The size 237 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 2: and bigness of that kind of deal will not scare 238 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 2: off Tim calmly correct. Now, the price might scare him off. 239 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 2: He said, no, no, no, you know I've crunched all the numbers. No, 240 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 2: it's too much in terms of what we have to 241 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 2: give up and where we are financially, that might scare 242 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 2: him off. But the size of it, or even the 243 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 2: difficulty of putting it together, I don't think that he 244 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 2: gets called by any of that, do you. That's that's 245 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 2: that's why we love it in my opinion. Why was 246 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 2: such a good move having him here? And he'll say, well, yeah, 247 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 2: he'll say, I want to win the title. Does this 248 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 2: help us win the title? Does this get us closer 249 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 2: to winning the title? And that's all you can ask for? 250 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 2: Bonus box, Yes, bank is the first keyword of the 251 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 2: day today. Go to k f a N dot com 252 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 2: to enter our national cash contest. Cafe and dot Com 253 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 2: make the keyword bank fan number one. 254 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 5: Why is it important for Minnesota because they got to 255 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 5: continue to breathe life in the Anthony illwis he's already 256 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 5: been to too Western comfort, back to back Conference fighters 257 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 5: and went home. 258 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 3: Now can you. 259 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 5: Get a guy like Gavis with the same type of 260 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 5: mentality that's going to post the game the same weight. 261 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 5: Now they might have to give up a life, but 262 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 5: still in all this Perps, big Perps, big list of team, 263 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 5: they need Yannis the most. 264 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 2: So there it is. 265 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 3: Wow. 266 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 2: Interesting that's Perk from ESPN. Kendrick Perkins. He's always been 267 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 2: on your side with the Wolves, going back to where 268 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 2: we started to turn this thing. Yeah yeah, I'll giving 269 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 2: us some shine even though we are flyover country. 270 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 3: Well, I. 271 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 2: Tell me what you make of this text. Jayden is durable, 272 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 2: shoots the three, and is a good free throw shooter. 273 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 2: Giannis is none of those. I don't even know. That's 274 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 2: from Cola. Yeah, En, Yeah, it's not. This isn't about 275 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 2: disparaging Jaden. But I mean, let's see what Jiannis is 276 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 2: doing this year. He's playing twenty nine minutes a game, 277 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 2: averaging twenty eight points. He's shooting sixty four point five 278 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 2: percent from the floor, thirty nine point five from three. Now, 279 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 2: to be fair, he doesn't take that many threes. Free 280 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 2: throw shooter not that great. Sixty five eight rebounds, ten 281 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 2: a game, assists five and a half a game. I mean, 282 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 2: we love Jayden, but come on, man, that's there's got 283 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 2: to be If you want to say no to it, 284 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 2: you got to have a better reason than that than 285 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 2: a straight comparison, because I don't even think Jaden. I 286 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 2: think Jayden would be embarrassed by that comparison. Now, durability 287 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 2: fair subject. I'm looking at games played. Let's go back 288 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 2: to he came into the league in twenty thirteen, fourteen. 289 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 2: His first four years, actually his first five played in 290 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 2: seventy seven, eighty one, eighty eighty and seventy five games. 291 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 2: His last one two, three, four, five. Well, he's played 292 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 2: in thirty this year, sixty seven, last year seventy three, 293 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 2: the year before sixty three, sixty seven, and sixty one, 294 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 2: So you know, yeah, he'd fall off. There's some falloff. 295 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 2: There's definitely from falloff from where he began. He is 296 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 2: thirty one years old? Is he an old thirty one? 297 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 2: Is that what's starting to happen? Maybe it's it's that's 298 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 2: what you have to figure out. I have to be 299 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 2: examined correct. He was drafted in twenty thirteen, first round, 300 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 2: fifteenth overall pick. Do you remember who the Timberwolves ended 301 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 2: up with that draft? I remember, well, what I remember 302 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 2: is talking to Flip about Greek because very quickly there 303 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 2: were people who said, even that night, this is one 304 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 2: of those guys who it's going to take him a while, 305 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 2: but look out. And I remember what Flip told me. 306 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 2: He said, and I don't know if he said this 307 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 2: on air or off, but he definitely said it, I 308 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 2: just can't wait that long. And it's a dangerous thing 309 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:55,239 Speaker 2: for an executive to say, because sometimes you can't, right. 310 00:17:55,480 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 2: But it also is what I think what separates the 311 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 2: best from the okay, right, because it's like, well, what 312 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 2: do you mean you can't wait that long? If he 313 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 2: can be as good as projected. Now, again, no one 314 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 2: knew then what we've learned, but there were people who 315 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:17,479 Speaker 2: loved him coming out of the draft just said just 316 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 2: it's going to take three or four years for it 317 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 2: for him to really emerge. The best part of the 318 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 2: draft night, and we've youtubed before and it's in the 319 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 2: movie Rise, based on the Honest and his family, is 320 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 2: that he was just sitting in the crowd, like he 321 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 2: wasn't even a green room guy. He was invited to 322 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 2: the draft and he was there in the draft, but 323 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 2: he was just in like section one twelve of I 324 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 2: don't know Madison Square Garden wherever they held the draft 325 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 2: that year, and he had to come down from the crowd. 326 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 2: That's how he was obviously known because he was a 327 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 2: first round pick, but he wasn't Teams didn't really know 328 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 2: where he was going to go. But that's an interesting chapter. 329 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 2: That's an interesting night in Wolve's history. And that, of 330 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 2: course is the night that we desperately wanted and thought 331 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 2: we were in position to draft Kelly olennok. Yes, and 332 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 2: then one pick above us, I think the Mavericks had 333 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 2: the pick and they traded it to Boston. Danny Ainge 334 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 2: got us, Danny Ainge got us Kelly olynnok. At which 335 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 2: point it's very clear Flip was not ready to pivot, 336 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 2: and you could see it in his face that night 337 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 2: quite frankly and even afterwards. So that was the Shabbaz 338 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 2: Mohammad yes, pick, correct, Yes, And because we originally took 339 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 2: Trey Burke for Utah, that's correct, and traded down to 340 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 2: get the fourteenth trick. Exactly it, that's exactly right. So 341 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 2: let me ask you this question, would you, but the 342 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 2: way that night went, would you rather have had the 343 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 2: last ten years covering Giannis or the Ben Holland interview 344 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 2: in your career because you can't have either one because 345 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 2: of the Shabaz Mohammad. Oh, yeah, pick. We got to 346 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 2: have former UCLA coach Ben Holland on after he had 347 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 2: basically just been fired in part because of Shabaz Mohammad 348 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 2: losing to Tubby who was also fired in the NCAA tournament, 349 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 2: and you got to have that interview in conversation which 350 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 2: could not have gone really much. 351 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 3: Hard. 352 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 2: No, it's hard to answer because recency bias would say, 353 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 2: I'll take forget that interview, I'll take Greek. But it's 354 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 2: a it's a memorable one. It's one of the more 355 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 2: he he didn't hang up on us, right Nomino, and 356 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 2: and Kevin Sampson hung up on me. Yeah, as I recalled, 357 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 2: didn't rally you hang up to Yeah that was before 358 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 2: my time, but I remember you hung up Howland basically 359 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 2: at some point because you were calling him out, like 360 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 2: there's no way that you loved this guy this much. 361 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 2: Essentially was what you said I did. And Holland's like, well, 362 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 2: I don't know what you want me to say. Yeah, 363 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 2: well it got a little weird. Yeah, well, because he 364 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 2: it was like he was comparing him to Michael Jordan. 365 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 2: I think I think my quote was, you're making him 366 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 2: sound like it's Michael Jordan. It's give me something because 367 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 2: for example, I tend to think like if if we 368 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 2: had Tom Crean on even then and we asked him 369 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 2: about when his player, he was gonna praise him, but 370 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 2: I think Cream would have all just kind of got 371 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 2: with him in cable saying gotta work on a couple 372 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 2: of things. Here's one of them. And and that's I 373 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:09,479 Speaker 2: was just looking for that. I wasn't looking for him 374 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,479 Speaker 2: to cream him. I knew he wasn't gonna do that, right. 375 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 2: That was that that did make it kind of Hey, hey, 376 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 2: I heard you were very nice to Howland. Yeah, that's right, 377 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 2: he came. That's what he said. Because language, Whip gave 378 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 2: us the number. Flip helped us set set up some damage, 379 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,239 Speaker 2: and he's like, hey, but he wasn't as mad as 380 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 2: he pretended, I don't think. But it was funny because 381 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 2: what are we doing, Oh, it's so flip not against 382 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 2: the trade, but how do we feel about Yiannis playing 383 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:45,719 Speaker 2: alongside Rudy? Be pretty good defensively? That would be very good. 384 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 2: We'd be pretty good defensively, right, And you got to 385 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 2: figure out I could lose a cutter or two and 386 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 2: be okay. I think aunt and And and Giannis could 387 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 2: play together. Well. I don't think that's a conflict at all, frankly, 388 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 2: but you got to think about some things. And again, realistically, 389 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 2: Jaden's gone, Randall's gone. Randall's gone. Probably well, the trade 390 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 2: that the Athletic was circulating had all three of those 391 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 2: guys in. It. Was that the three three way deal. Yeah, 392 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 2: not the one that had us getting Cat, but it 393 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 2: was a three deal on Portland and Conley and Jaydan. 394 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 2: I think that's going there. Randall was going I think 395 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 2: with NAS to Milwaukee, so it'd be those three. So 396 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 2: I mean you're talking about you know, we're talking about boneshires, 397 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 2: Rob Dillingham one Baron Jay and some other guys playing 398 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 2: with these dudes. Well, CJ see CJ in Minneapolis. He's 399 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 2: reporting it that the package that was discussed was Minnesota 400 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 2: gets Giannis and Drew Holliday, Yes in the athletic yep, 401 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 2: both on three or contracts. Portland gets Jaden and Mike Conley, 402 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 2: Bucks get Julius and Nas. I mean some picks from Portland. Yeah, 403 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 2: I mean that's so then yeah, if you play that out, well, 404 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 2: Drew Hollidy starts for it, right, even though he's kind 405 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 2: of getting longer in the tooth. Yeah, assume he's a 406 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 2: good culture guy. He's a good culture guy for sure. 407 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 2: But you're losing. Well, I don't know. I just say 408 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 2: stay tuned. Who's to say? I like? I like that 409 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 2: we're in the mix. It's funny. So at least in 410 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 2: terms of speculation, sound preposterous. It doesn't sound like, well, 411 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 2: what are you talking about? Minnesota? There's no way, no 412 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 2: how All right, let me give you the guest lineup today. 413 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 2: We've got Russo Radio five h two Is that correct? 414 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 2: From Fallness Later? Fallas is who joined He joined the 415 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 2: top five to five two days ago. The way falls it. Oh, yeah, 416 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 2: he did. That's great. That was a Blake Moore surprise. 417 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 2: It actually went pretty well. Yeah, Loui Goose is going 418 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 2: to join us at four fifteen today. I think he 419 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 2: intended the Holmlan not home. What's his title, the Yeah, 420 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 2: the DHS guy or the guy yeah, the new home exactly. 421 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 2: He I believe attended that presser, or at least has 422 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 2: reported on it. There's a lot to get to on that. 423 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 2: And when we come back one of our favorites, former 424 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 2: Governor of the Great State of Minnesota, Arnie Carlson, Let's 425 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 2: see what he thinks about recent developments. Are we headed 426 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 2: for a better direction? Is he still a pessimist? Governor 427 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 2: Arnie Carlson his next I feel like a year's worth 428 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 2: of stories have developed just since the last time we 429 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 2: chatted with our next guest, and that was Guarsy reminds 430 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 2: me about two weeks ago. It's just stunning how quickly 431 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 2: things have moved here, and in some cases very tragic directions. 432 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 2: Yet again, former Minnesota Governor Arnie Carlson kind of enough 433 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 2: to join us via the Kinetico Water Systems Hotline. Governor, thanks, 434 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 2: as always for your time and your attention. I want 435 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 2: to start with I don't know if you saw any 436 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 2: of it or have heard any of the reporting on it, 437 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 2: but the White House borders are Tom Holman had a 438 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 2: presser earlier today. He is in town. He has been 439 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 2: brought in by the President to attempt to change the 440 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 2: temperature a little bit. What are your impressions of him? 441 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 2: What do you think that move signals? And can we 442 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 2: actually believe that we may be close to getting to 443 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 2: a better place? 444 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 3: Oh, the Trump umbrella is starting to crack, and it 445 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 3: may crack faster than we think, but it's also going 446 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 3: to cause a great deal of damage, and more damage 447 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 3: will come the entrade of Minnesota. And I may be 448 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 3: misunderstanding it. But if I recall correctly, and please do 449 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 3: break in and correct me if I'm wrong. I thought 450 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 3: they also issued some stipulations to Minnesota relative to directives 451 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 3: and what they're to do with possible violations of illegal immigrants. 452 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 2: Correct, correct? 453 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 3: And if I recall correctly, some of those stipulations were 454 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 3: that Minnesota would hold them in prison even after their 455 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 3: time expired. Is that also correct that. 456 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 2: I don't recall those words exactly. Let me read you 457 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 2: a couple things that maybe you will fill in here 458 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 2: that I think speak to part of what you're talking about. 459 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 2: Holman said. This is according to startibune dot com that 460 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 2: the easiest way to decrease the level of officers in 461 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 2: the state was to have the Department of Corrections and 462 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 2: county jails help deliver illegal immigrants wanted by ICE the 463 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 2: federal agents. He praised the Minnesota Department of Corrections for 464 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 2: quote honoring our detainers of immigrants. The issue apparently has 465 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 2: more to do, at least if you want to listen 466 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 2: to what he has to say, with what's going on 467 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 2: the relationship involving the county systems, the county jails, et cetera. 468 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, if they want the state or the county or 469 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:57,479 Speaker 3: any unit of Minnesota government to detain someone past their 470 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 3: legal expiration date, that would be illegal. So I think 471 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,719 Speaker 3: what you want to do here is one get an 472 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 3: official opinion from the Attorney General before responding to anything. 473 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 3: The good news is that opens up the door for 474 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 3: communication and possibly for negotiations, and I'm sure the governor 475 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 3: will and the Attorney General will do that. I think 476 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 3: that's the correct step to take. 477 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 2: Earlier this month, again from the story Minnesota Corrections Commissioner 478 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 2: Paul Schnell said state law requires this department to notify 479 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 2: ICE when a non citizen enters prison, and that the 480 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 2: prisons fully comply. He said the state has always worked 481 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 2: with ICE to ask for prisoners with immigration. 482 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 3: That would be my recollection as well. That's correct. See, 483 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 3: I think the real problem here is and it's an 484 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 3: issue that hasn't been properly aired, and that's the enormous 485 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 3: amount of incompetence that has now come into a government 486 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 3: system as a result of all the radical changes that 487 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 3: have been made, and ICE does not have the facilities 488 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 3: to bring people to We hear too many stories that 489 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 3: they're ill fed, ill clothed, etc. And frankly just in humane. 490 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 3: So I think they want to detain more people in 491 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 3: our prisons and at our expense, and that can be negotiated. 492 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 3: But that's a radical change from the way the government 493 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,439 Speaker 3: operated in the past. 494 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 2: Do you have, generally speaking, greater hope that we are 495 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 2: The rhetoric has been tamped down, the questions always, well, 496 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 2: that's fine for a while, that's good, But the devil's 497 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 2: always in the details in terms of what is actually 498 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 2: done on the ground, what changes are made there where 499 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 2: are you in that process? 500 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, as I indicated before, I think the Trump umbrella 501 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 3: is starting to crack, and it's only a question of 502 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 3: how much and how quickly. But the issue of incompetence 503 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 3: is very, very troubling. First of all, you've got some 504 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 3: one hundred felony violations that ICE has committed, according to 505 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 3: a federal court in Minnesota, and that has to be 506 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 3: dealt with, and that's just the start of their legal problems. 507 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 3: Then you've got the United States centered finally agreeing that 508 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 3: they're going to separate the funding of ICE from the 509 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 3: rest of the funding bill so we can avoid a 510 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 3: government shutdowns. But that means that ICE will be on 511 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 3: the front burner next week and the week after, and 512 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 3: that's not going to be a pleasant occasion for them. 513 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 3: In other words, Ice is being exposed, and one it's 514 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 3: about time, and two that's going to be It gives 515 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 3: us all the opportunity to correct and I'm being polite 516 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 3: now the mistakes of the past, But the truth is 517 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 3: we've seen in humane treatment, unbelievable fear that has been 518 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 3: instilled by ICE in our citizenry, and that has to cease, 519 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 3: and cease immediately. 520 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 2: To your point. I'm looking at a one of several 521 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 2: stories about the Minnesota chief Federal judge, Chief District Judge 522 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 2: of Patrick Schiltz, who said, I believe either last night 523 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 2: or may have even been earlier today, Ice has likely 524 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 2: violated court more court orders in January twenty twenty six 525 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 2: than some federal agencies have violated in their entire existence. 526 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 2: And what's interesting to me about that is, you know, 527 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 2: when we get in these crises, the hope is that, 528 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 2: you know, we have such strong checks and balances that 529 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 2: on the legal side, the courts will check in and 530 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 2: do the things that it needs to do to potentially 531 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 2: write things, even if it's sloppy, and even if it 532 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 2: if it takes too long. But we're back to what 533 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 2: the judge, the chief district judge is pointing out. If 534 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 2: you have a government in place that's just almost ignoring 535 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 2: those rulings or paying no attention to them, does it 536 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 2: is it enough that these of sharp rulings are taking 537 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 2: place and the chief district judge is making comments like this. 538 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 3: No, First of all, I'm very very proud of the court. 539 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 3: That's a guidepost that is working, and I'm so grateful 540 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 3: for it. But the second thing is it's about time 541 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 3: now for the federal government to put a moratorium on 542 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 3: all ICE activities until such time as they are can 543 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 3: be properly organized and properly trained. And in the meantime, 544 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 3: let's proceed with a judicial process and investigation of the 545 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 3: two murders that occurred in Minnesota. You have to build 546 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 3: an accountability in order to gain the public's trust and 547 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 3: restore your own sense of credibility. 548 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 2: What did you see, because we have not this the 549 00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 2: first time we've spoken since the killing Alex Pretty by 550 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 2: federal agents. That was on last Saturday, January twenty fourth, that's, 551 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 2: of course, a couple weeks after the killing of Renee 552 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 2: Good by an ICE officer. What did you see? What 553 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 2: struck you? What was your reaction to the Alex Pretty story? 554 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 3: I don't think there's any question about two things. First 555 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 3: is it was a murder. You had seven agents. Five 556 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 3: never pulled the weapon out of their ulster, two did, 557 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 3: and two killed the man. There was no gun of 558 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 3: that in any way, shape or form threatened those ICE officers. 559 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 3: The second part was the immediacy with which the Trump 560 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 3: administration started to lie, to demonize the victims, portrayed the 561 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 3: incident to some parts some kind of an international conspiracy, 562 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 3: alleging that one of the victims was really trying to 563 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 3: kill the police. You don't build trust in government by 564 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 3: lying to the people, and the people know what they saw. 565 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 3: And we now know without any shadow of a doubt 566 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 3: that there was no weapon on the victim, that that 567 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 3: weapon had been in his pocket and was removed by 568 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 3: an Ice agents. Right and five understood that there was 569 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 3: no threat to not pull a weapon or anything else. 570 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 3: The other two did, and now those two should be 571 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 3: brought to the bars of justice. 572 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 2: There has been much conversation about a video that seems 573 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 2: to have captured at alex Pretty with a in a 574 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 2: previous confrontation with authorities, in which he is yelling at 575 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 2: them and then I think he kicks the tail light 576 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 2: out of one of their vehicles, at which point then 577 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 2: they come after him as well. I've gotten a bunch 578 00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 2: of just since that story broke and that video was released, 579 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 2: and it seems fairly certain. I think even the family 580 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 2: has said it's the it's him, it's the same individual 581 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 2: that in effect, Well, now what do you think of 582 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 2: what happened? Look? What what we what we learned about 583 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,320 Speaker 2: this kind of guy. Everybody's acting like he's an angel. 584 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 2: Does it matter whether he's an angel or not? Does 585 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,280 Speaker 2: does that video have anything to do in your mind 586 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,839 Speaker 2: with the conduct on the occasion of the killing of 587 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 2: Alex Preddi. 588 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 3: No, absolutely not. It's a totally separate episode. If he 589 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 3: violated the if he violated the law in episode number one, 590 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 3: the rested and tried and brought that the bars of 591 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 3: justice to that. Obviously that didn't occur, But that has 592 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 3: nothing to do with episode number two where he lost 593 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 3: his life. I just got to tell you, let me 594 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,839 Speaker 3: say something else there. I think it's disgraceful, and I 595 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 3: mean it's truly disgraceful that people who we the taxpayers 596 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 3: employ to give us service and to give us that 597 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 3: service with honesty and integrity, turn around and do everything 598 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 3: they can to cover up their own mistakes. I think 599 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:17,320 Speaker 3: that's appalling. Absolutely A. Paulie and so all these people 600 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 3: that are coming out with all these reasons why a 601 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 3: murder is justifiable, I think they too should be brought 602 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 3: into play and ask how can you say the things 603 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 3: that you're saying and why why are you doing this? 604 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 3: We don't know if episode number two is true or not, 605 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,839 Speaker 3: But that's not the point. The point is it's completely 606 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 3: separate and has nothing whatsoever to do with his murder, 607 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,720 Speaker 3: with the fact that he was murdered. 608 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 2: Interesting texts just came in that I thought you might 609 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 2: perhaps get a kick out of your leftist propaganda is 610 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 2: getting pretty ridiculous. Dan, do you ever bring Republicans on 611 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 2: to talk. You wouldn't know anybody who was ever a Republican, 612 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 2: would you, Arnie, nobody, anybody. 613 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 3: I think it's disgraceful, and I do blame both parties 614 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 3: that somehow party loyalty is more important than loyalty to 615 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,280 Speaker 3: nation and loyalty to the values that sustain and build 616 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 3: this nation. We lost millions of people in our various 617 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,919 Speaker 3: conflicts around the globe to protect American democracy, and we're 618 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 3: making a mockery of it by having all this loyalty 619 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 3: to partisan causes and so little concerned for the laws 620 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 3: of humanity which we had at Nuremberg, and for the 621 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,280 Speaker 3: laws of our state and the laws of the federal government. 622 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 3: We do not empower anybody, not even ice agents, to 623 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 3: lawlessly brandish their weapons and kill people. We don't hire 624 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 3: people to bully other people, to exceed their authority and 625 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 3: to violate law. Let's talk about the hundred violations at 626 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 3: the Court has indicated have taken place on the part 627 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 3: of Ice one hundred. Imagine what the pro ice people 628 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 3: would be saying if just Can violations were caused by 629 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,760 Speaker 3: one of the victims. 630 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 2: The uh another text, and I've had several like this 631 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,239 Speaker 2: have come in and I'll read you one of them. 632 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 2: Once you forego your constitutional right of a peaceful protest, 633 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 2: you are subject to arrest. It doesn't matter if he 634 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,400 Speaker 2: had a gun on him. Here's to me, what's missing 635 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 2: from that part of the story. And again I'm willing 636 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 2: to see what else we learn from this case. But 637 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 2: to me, Governor, part of the problem was they're really there. 638 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 2: When you're talking first about the woman that got pushed 639 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,799 Speaker 2: down on the end of the cell bank, there there 640 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 2: was no if you if you're going to arrest, if 641 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 2: you think you have a right to arrest on the 642 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 2: basis of whatever they you think is being disrupted, arrest 643 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,239 Speaker 2: that wasn't is that arresting protocol. We're going to look 644 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 2: at you and shove you into the snow, and then 645 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 2: someone else tries to help that individual. It's what you 646 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:15,839 Speaker 2: say there's no precision in terms of what is our 647 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,720 Speaker 2: approach in a lawful way when it comes to arrest, 648 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 2: when it comes to whatever we think we're trying to do, 649 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 2: it's it feels very much wild, wild West like. And 650 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 2: I think some of that also has to do with 651 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 2: the individual who Trump finally got out rooted out of town, 652 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 2: Greg Baveno to me, the Border Patrol commander, he was 653 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 2: part of what set a tone that I think the 654 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 2: Ice agent said, we had no account of it. We 655 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 2: knew what we can do, what the hell we want 656 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 2: to do? 657 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 3: Right? Well, first of all, Dan, I want to thank 658 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 3: you very much for being far more eloquent than me. 659 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 3: I'm ninety years old. Wish I could have verbalized the 660 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 3: situation as well as you did, and I thank you 661 00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 3: for doing it. You're absolutely correct. The victim who was 662 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 3: ultimately shot was doing nothing more than being a good samaritan. 663 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:11,759 Speaker 3: How dare any officer of the law push anybody into 664 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:19,400 Speaker 3: a snowbank and then turn around and pulverize the person 665 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,880 Speaker 3: who's trying to help that individual up. He was doing 666 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:28,719 Speaker 3: what we all call a Christian charitable act, but it's 667 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 3: an act of kindness in every religion. In the world, 668 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 3: and so he was trying to be gracious, kind and 669 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 3: warm and caring to another human being, and for that 670 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 3: his life is in jeopardy. 671 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 2: Governor, Let's let's try to go in a slightly different 672 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,280 Speaker 2: direction here, because you definitely have gotten the text line going. 673 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,360 Speaker 2: People are very in many cases that all and again 674 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,360 Speaker 2: the loudest voices are going to tend to be the 675 00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:00,279 Speaker 2: ones that disagree. And I've felt I've I had to 676 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:04,840 Speaker 2: deal with this same refrain. He's asking, you know, the 677 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,319 Speaker 2: governor keeps talking about law and rules and justice. What 678 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,440 Speaker 2: about all the fraud? You guys never want to talk 679 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 2: about the fraud. And before you take that question, I 680 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,840 Speaker 2: will tell you that we have on this show discussed 681 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,760 Speaker 2: that subject and been very critical, frankly of the Walls 682 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:26,920 Speaker 2: administration endlessly, with some extremely good guests, including Andy Lueger, 683 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 2: the US the former US Attorney Joe Thompson as well 684 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 2: and others. And I guess I'm puzzled by people's inability 685 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 2: to understand that you can do more than one thing 686 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 2: at once. And so this doesn't absolve anybody of that story. 687 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:46,920 Speaker 2: You have written extensively and criticized roundly the checks and 688 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,719 Speaker 2: balances that have failed. So why is it people think, well, 689 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 2: if you're doing this, you can't possibly have been spending 690 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,920 Speaker 2: any time on that other thing as well. Why can't 691 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,239 Speaker 2: people understand the possibility that we are capable of doing 692 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 2: more than one thing wants? 693 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's very troubling. I think what everything 694 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,319 Speaker 3: gets down to is the slip and slide away from 695 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,800 Speaker 3: the truth, obvious, gate the truth and focus on something else. 696 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:17,080 Speaker 3: The fraud that took place in Minnesota has absolutely no 697 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:23,440 Speaker 3: relationship whatsoever to ICE. That was not a problem of immigration, 698 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 3: It was not a problem of customs. It had nothing 699 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 3: whatsoever to do with Ice, any more than the convictions 700 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,640 Speaker 3: that Donald Trump had in court in New York. So 701 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 3: let's learn separate events. In the case of the fraud 702 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:47,280 Speaker 3: in the state of Minnesota, that clearly was gross mismanagement, 703 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 3: no question about it. It started roughly in twenty eleven 704 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:58,920 Speaker 3: when the dat And administration ignored the warnings that the guidelines, 705 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:05,200 Speaker 3: the AUDI guidelines were being violated and were weak and insufficient. 706 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,560 Speaker 3: And from that year on, year after year after year 707 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,920 Speaker 3: after year, through the Walts administration through the Date administration, 708 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,360 Speaker 3: they were ignored, and they were also ignored by the 709 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 3: departments who was supposed to oversee the public finances. So 710 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,319 Speaker 3: that was gross mismanagement. It's a separate issue, and the 711 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,360 Speaker 3: public is absolutely correct. They have a perfect right to 712 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 3: be very very upset. 713 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,640 Speaker 2: Last item for today former Governor Arnie Carlson, who again, 714 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,879 Speaker 2: to be clear, was the Republican governor of Minnesota. You've 715 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,440 Speaker 2: major since then stated your case that you don't believe 716 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 2: you left the Republicans Party so much as the Republican 717 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:49,040 Speaker 2: Party left you, but you were a Republican governor of 718 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:53,600 Speaker 2: the state of Minnesota. I want you to address You've 719 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,840 Speaker 2: always had, you know, a really good political ear, because 720 00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,840 Speaker 2: you know politics is part of this stuff. So what's 721 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:05,480 Speaker 2: your best theory on what drove the president to seem 722 00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,800 Speaker 2: to want to change the story here, at least again 723 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,120 Speaker 2: in terms of the rhetoric getting Beveno out, bringing Holman in. 724 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,960 Speaker 2: What was it that you think he was feeling a 725 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,760 Speaker 2: very stubborn man that had him, at least in theory, 726 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,480 Speaker 2: going in a different, less confrontational direction. 727 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,840 Speaker 3: Well, it's always hard to figure out the strategy of 728 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,920 Speaker 3: another person, and I don't want to pretend to I 729 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:37,400 Speaker 3: have the slightest clue what moves Trump in any direction, 730 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,480 Speaker 3: but suffice it to say, there is a long pattern 731 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,280 Speaker 3: that when the going gets roughs, slide into some other battle, 732 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:50,840 Speaker 3: and that's what he's done. Jeb Bush was the first 733 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:57,320 Speaker 3: person to really on the national stage say the exact 734 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:02,440 Speaker 3: truthful thing, and that was that will create chaos. And 735 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:07,520 Speaker 3: that's the one thing everybody Democrats, Republicans, independents can certainly 736 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:12,920 Speaker 3: agree on. There is chaos beyond anything anybody imagined. So 737 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,360 Speaker 3: predicting what he'll do next is I haven't got the 738 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:20,120 Speaker 3: slightest clue. But if there is going to be a calming, 739 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,640 Speaker 3: if there is going to be some restoration of normalcy 740 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,759 Speaker 3: in the state of Minnesota, then I think that the 741 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:32,200 Speaker 3: state should participate fully in any kind of solution that 742 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,440 Speaker 3: is lawful. And if they can do that, it's a 743 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,840 Speaker 3: big step forward. And then I'd like to see us 744 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,799 Speaker 3: start to discuss how do we restore normalcy and good 745 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 3: governance to the state of Minnesota. And one would be 746 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:52,440 Speaker 3: to really lessen this partisan profiles. Partisanship is totally out 747 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,560 Speaker 3: of control in America and is out of control in Minnesota. 748 00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,160 Speaker 3: There's no question about and by the way, let me 749 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:03,400 Speaker 3: end on this trust in American government is as the 750 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:07,520 Speaker 3: lowest point it has ever been in its history. When 751 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,600 Speaker 3: Eisenhower was president in nineteen fifty eight, seventy three percent 752 00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:16,840 Speaker 3: of Americans trusted their government. Today we're down to seventeen percent. 753 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,480 Speaker 3: You can't govern on that, No, you can't get any 754 00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:27,040 Speaker 3: Every single index indicates a tremendous separation between government and 755 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,400 Speaker 3: the public. And we saw that the way the public 756 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,480 Speaker 3: took charge in the state of Minnesota and stood up 757 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:39,680 Speaker 3: to Ice. They're the real heroes in this. The public 758 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,440 Speaker 3: understood the constitution, The public understood what was right and 759 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,040 Speaker 3: what was wrong, and they stood up for what is 760 00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:50,520 Speaker 3: right and what is human and what is constitutional. Ice 761 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,160 Speaker 3: now has at least one hundred charges of violations that 762 00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:55,359 Speaker 3: they have to deal with. 763 00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,239 Speaker 2: I I don't know. I was thinking out loud here 764 00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,080 Speaker 2: as you wrap up here that one of the big 765 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,160 Speaker 2: frustrations with you is we so rarely know how you feel. 766 00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,040 Speaker 2: You so rarely go out on any kind of a 767 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,120 Speaker 2: on of a limb where it's so much equivocating that 768 00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,040 Speaker 2: we are left with, well, where the hell is he 769 00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,080 Speaker 2: on any of this stuff? You got to work on that. 770 00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:21,560 Speaker 3: Okay, thank you. I think what's a little bit hard 771 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,359 Speaker 3: is you lose your ability to verbalize as well as 772 00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:26,960 Speaker 3: you used to. 773 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:27,719 Speaker 2: You're doing far. 774 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,239 Speaker 3: I do apologize for that, but they're doing it. I 775 00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,160 Speaker 3: do intend to remain in the arena as long as 776 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,879 Speaker 3: I possibly can, and I'd like to see Minnesota come 777 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,000 Speaker 3: back to where it was. We had so many golden 778 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,520 Speaker 3: years in Minnesota. We were the state that led the 779 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:47,280 Speaker 3: nation and excellence in governance. We had so many leaders 780 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,839 Speaker 3: that excelled on the national scene. I'd like to see 781 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,040 Speaker 3: us restore that sense of pride, that sense of excellence 782 00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:55,440 Speaker 3: that we used to have. 783 00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:57,720 Speaker 2: Thanks again for the time. We'll be in touch, Governor, 784 00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:58,400 Speaker 2: I appreciate you. 785 00:46:58,520 --> 00:46:59,000 Speaker 3: Delighted. 786 00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:03,560 Speaker 2: Thank you, our Governor Arnie Carlson joining us with, as 787 00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,960 Speaker 2: I said, always very very equivocating answers. He's got a 788 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,960 Speaker 2: lot of people riled up. We'll get to some of 789 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,360 Speaker 2: those texts. We'll follow up with a couple of interesting 790 00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,600 Speaker 2: nuggets that I think could be added to the equation. 791 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,840 Speaker 2: As we continue to follow this story, We've got Loure 792 00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:25,160 Speaker 2: Goose at about four fifteen. We've got Russo Radio coming 793 00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:26,160 Speaker 2: up at five h two. Don't go