WEBVTT - 4-1-26 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.520 Do you want to be an American. 0:00:03.279 --> 0:00:06.680 Scott Flump Show On seven hundred WLW at ten oh 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:10.240 six this morning, Kim Kober, president of the FOP, is 0:00:10.280 --> 0:00:12.520 going to drop some bombs live on the show in 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:15.920 his reaction to the reports about Terry Fiji some six 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:19.720 months in the making, the police chief in Limbo, if 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:22.000 you want to call her that is, she's still hanging on. 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:24.200 The report came out. Her attorney said it was going 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:26.280 to be a hatchet job, and it certainly looks that way. 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:28.479 We'll get in the details of that what it means 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:31.280 for you if you live, work, or just head downtown 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:34.360 to Cincinnati for Reds game like this afternoon at eleven 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:36.960 thirty five. It's the inside pitch Reds and Pirates. Reds 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:39.400 trying to win back to back series to open the season. 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:42.360 It wasn't good yesterday. Hopefully today gets better. Although you 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:44.479 know who's on the mount for Pittsburgh, so we'll see. 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:47.159 We jump into this topic this morning before we get 0:00:47.200 --> 0:00:49.440 to all that. And for the first time since nineteen 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:51.640 seventy two, humans are headed to the Moon and tonight 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:54.640 could be launch night. It's the art and out the 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:57.400 art miss one. This is the Artemiss two and it's 0:00:57.440 --> 0:00:59.240 part of a new space race at the cost of 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:04.080 forty four billion dollars for a rocket to circumnavigate the 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:07.080 Moon on that, of course, is Cincinnati's an. He is 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:10.880 Cincinnati's astronomer. That is the legendary Dean Regus joined the 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:13.760 show where we're at Astrodean dot com. Dean, welcome, Hi, 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:15.560 you ben doing. 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:18.880 Good, glad to be here on this momentous hopefully launch day. 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:21.840 Yes, a lot of money, forty four billion, A lot 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:24.679 of money for a fake mission. What do you think 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:26.800 they're really using the money for, because I mean, we're 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:28.839 not going to go around the moon. This is all cgi, 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:31.720 this is all Hollywood. It's all fake, right, Dean. No 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:34.360 one's gone to the Moon before. We're just we're taking 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:36.960 that forty four billion. I don't forgive it to hum Israel. 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:38.240 I know what we're doing with the money. 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:42.360 But your speculation there, well, I'm certainly hope it's going 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:44.080 to be more than tang, that's for sure. 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:45.440 I hope we get a lot out of it. 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:48.800 But I think it's you know, the thing with the 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:52.000 space race, it is, uh, we can think a lot 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:54.880 of our everyday things we use like the Internet and 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:58.480 like satellites and things like that for that. So I 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:01.080 think the money did was well spent back in the day. 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:03.480 This mission is going to be an interesting one because, 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:05.880 like you said, the first time we've gone to the 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:10.320 Moon in fifty some years, and this is a This 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:13.080 is a long delayed mission also, so this has been 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:15.320 around for a while. If people have been following this, 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:18.520 probably noticed that they were supposed to launch in February 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:21.119 and March. Then they rolled the rocket back and now 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:25.160 it's April. All signs from everything I can tell, seems 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:29.000 like it's going to launch this week and it all 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:29.680 seems good. 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:31.400 So fingers are crossed for it. 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:34.600 Yeah, it's been delayed and delayed and delayed, and tonight 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:36.320 looks like tonight. I was looking at the forecast and 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:38.120 it looks like a go right now. Of course, anything 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:40.720 could scrub the mission, but who knows that they may 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:42.640 be scrubbing it as we speak right now. I don't know. 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:45.840 But it's more than a fifty years since Apollo seventeen 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:48.200 you mentioned. Now with fifty two years, well, why is 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:50.359 it taking this long to get humans back to the Moon. 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:52.400 It's not even on the moon. But this is in 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:53.480 the Moon's neighborhood. 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:56.560 Well, the way I look at this is, you know, 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:59.920 the Apollo missions that sent Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin too, 0:02:59.960 --> 0:03:03.000 the Search the Moon and Apollo eight before that that 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:05.760 went around the Moon. This is all you know, pretty 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:08.400 much caused by the space race with the Russians and 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:11.200 the Soviet Union, and it was you know, who's going 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:14.160 to get their first supremacy of the of space and 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:17.400 all that, So there's this great motivation once that was done. 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:20.080 The way I take it is that the Apollo missions 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:22.360 were like, well, there's not much we can do with 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:25.200 the Moon and it doesn't have any real strategic value. 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:28.520 It's pretty darn hard to get to and so they 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:29.359 kind of put. 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:30.239 The mission there. 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:31.640 Because they said, all right, mission accomplished. 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:32.359 We made it to the Moon. 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:35.560 So I think it was you know, what is the 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:40.160 motivation to go back? That's the big question and the 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:43.280 that's the it's still kind of an open question. I 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:46.280 think NASA is debating this, and I do have to 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:49.200 say they could be better at their pr with this, 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:51.240 and actually what the mission is, yeah, I. 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:53.960 Don't to me is what what are they doing? And 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:55.760 they're not even landing on the Moon. There's going to 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:58.520 fly Well, we've done that several times fifty something years ago. 0:03:58.560 --> 0:03:59.920 Why are we doing this again. What's the point of it? 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:04.560 Yeah, the trajectory of this mission, it's really interesting. So 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:07.160 they're going to launch, fly around the Earth a few 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:10.160 times just to make sure everything's working, test out the systems, 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:12.920 then kick in the afterburners and go towards the Moon 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:15.000 and I'll take them about four days to get to 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:17.880 the Moon. Then they're gonna fly a few thousand miles 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:20.880 above the surface of the Moon and then head back. 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:22.719 So the whole thing's gonna. 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:23.600 Last about ten days. 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:26.960 And it's a little different than the Apollo eight mission 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:29.360 that's circled around the Moon a few times. This one 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:32.400 is just testing out can we get them out there 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:37.080 and back and then eventually a landing. And then the 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:39.800 landing is going to be in a few years if 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:43.080 everything goes well. But there's a lot of people in 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:46.880 the industry and astronomers that are a little you know, 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:50.120 we're all a little nervous about this because, like you said, 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:54.039 it is a great expense of money, and so what 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:57.960 I'm hoping, and I'm a big NASA fan in general, 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:01.320 but what I'm hoping is that this is the step, 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:04.120 the logical step to send us to Mars, because I 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:07.719 think Mars is really the ultimate goal here. Going back 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:10.640 to the Moon is less a priority in my in 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:11.760 my mind, so this is. 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:14.680 A test drive maybe from Mars. But yeah, if we 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:18.000 did this fifty two years ago with nineteen sixty nine technology, 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:20.000 it should be much easier to do it in twenty 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:23.320 twenty six and much safer, shouldn't it. 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:26.120 It should? And that's one of the other things is 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:29.960 that I think it also brings to light a little 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:34.320 bit of the Apollo mission's priority. You know, they were 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:37.400 trying to do this fast, and I think there was 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:39.320 a lot of close calls. 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:41.440 I mean, we know this from the Apollo. 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:44.480 Thirteam mission that went bad on the way there. I 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:47.360 think that looking back on the Apollo missions, we are 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:52.520 darn lucky that nothing bad happened, because it was a 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:55.720 difficult thing to do, and I think there was some 0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:57.880 you know, there was definitely sped up. 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:00.280 Quite a bit this one. I think it's almost like. 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:04.279 They're being extra extra, extra cautious kind of thing because 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:07.280 they know what's at stake and any little mess up 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:10.600 could be you know, damaging not only to the crew, 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:13.520 not only but the future missions as well. 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:15.600 So there is a lot. 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:20.080 Of nervous engineers and astronomers right now watching this because 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:24.160 we know that what happens after today is gonna kind 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:25.120 of set things forward. 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:27.400 Well, this is the Artemis too, and of course we 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:30.400 all remember what happened to Artemis one. It struck an 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:33.599 iceberg in the North Atlantic and sank. It's very sad. 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:37.440 The heat shield on the Orion was damaged on their 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:40.240 first aircraft, and NASA change the re entry path rather 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:42.560 than replace it. Is that pretty much one of the 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:45.680 most risky things that is gonna maybe make this thing 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:46.400 go sideways? 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:48.840 Wait, aren't you talking about Titanic? 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:51.880 I thought it had a nice didn't because and then 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:54.520 then likely and then all was like fift I don't know, 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:57.120 was it sixty years they made Leoda Capri made a 0:06:57.160 --> 0:07:01.760 movie upon it. Yeah, thats right, he said, and he's 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:04.159 going down and it's very sad story. But the Artemis 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:07.159 one struck an iceberg? What all, right? Have we learned 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:09.520 lessons about icebergs and heat shields with Artemist two? 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:12.400 I think so? And then then of course it hit. 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:14.160 The tower in New Jersey and burst in the place. 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:15.000 That's another way. 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:17.480 Oh the humanity, Oh the humanity. 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:21.840 Yeah, yeah, boy, we're really throwing back here, Sloan. Anyway, now, 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:24.600 let's uh so what happened with Artemis one is I 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:28.440 was the unmanned mission that sent and I think people 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:32.320 remember that one because it had the little mannequins that 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:34.920 were in the seats, which I was like, all right, great, yeah, 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:38.320 Manaquin sure, but it did have this amazing view. So 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:41.320 it gave that first view of the Moon with the 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:44.240 Earth in the distance, so it's behind the Moon, and 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:46.120 this is the part of the Moon that you cannot 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:47.320 see from Earth to the. 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:48.200 Far side of the Moon. 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:49.960 And it did give that. 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:51.160 Really dramatic view. 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:54.480 And and so that's what I'm anticipating here with this 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:59.040 cruise mission. I'm trying to figure out, you know, why 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:01.280 they want to launch now, because the other thing is, 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:03.160 you know, it's the same time of month. That's what 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:06.360 they were doing in February and March, early February, early March, 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:08.960 and now early April. And it's the idea is that 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:10.400 they want to be able to see some of the 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:12.600 far side of the Moon lit up because right now 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:15.600 we've got a full moon here tonight, and that means 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:16.840 the far side is all dark. 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:19.120 But by the time they get there, they're going to 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:20.080 get some views. 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:23.080 And I already did some simulations myself of what they're 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:24.760 I'm anticipating. 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:27.000 If they do launch today, what they're going to get 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:27.800 is a. 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:30.640 Crescent moon with a crescent Earth in the background. 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:33.000 That's going to be pretty sweet looking. 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:35.679 So if they launch later in the week, then you're 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:36.959 gonna have a fuller Moon and. 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:39.760 A fuller Earth. But so that's it. 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:43.120 All depends on when they launch. And it's a far 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:46.040 trip too. The Moon is a little bit farther away 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:49.559 from us than it was for the Apollo eight mission, so. 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:53.680 It's a little bit farther of a trip too, well 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:54.480 quite a bit. 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:57.200 I was looking at the when they've launched Apollo eight, 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:00.520 the moon was like almost as close as it ever get. 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:03.160 So that makes it a shorter trip, about two hundred 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:06.680 twenty thousand miles the moon. Today it looks like the 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:09.600 moon's about two hundred and forty thousand miles and getting 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:11.679 farther away from us, so it'll be a little bit 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:14.079 farther a trip, and it will take a little bit 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:14.720 longer too. 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:18.680 Okay, and eventually the moon will the moon just fades away? 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:20.400 Does it go to another We won't be around for this, 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:23.440 of course, but that's interesting. Dean Regas, Yeah, the moon. 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:25.600 Yeah, the Moon is moving away from them at a 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:30.240 whopping one inch per year. So yeah, I know it's 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:30.920 getting out. 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:34.400 Of here, slipping away from a Stean Regas, Cincinnati's astronomer 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:39.160 Looking Up podcast speaker noted author Tonight alleged, looks like 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:42.040 the window is good for launch for Artemis two, which 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:44.439 will circle the Moon a few times and then come 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:46.240 back to Earth. It's going to take about ten days 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:49.800 to do this. I'm looking at the crew, Victor Glover, 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:53.320 Christina Cook, Jeremy Hanson, all of those are historic. First 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:55.600 on this crew. I look, this is when it looks 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:57.920 like a movie cast. So looks say these folks were 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:01.520 cast from Hollywood, because it's a diverse representation of American 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:04.760 culture for sure. But I would think too that it's 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:07.800 Trump's NASA that this in some aspects there's got to 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:11.360 be some DEI criticism there. So is this a scientific 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:12.960 mission or is it a pr move? 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:14.640 Well? 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:18.200 I think you know, it's definitely scientific mission. And these 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:21.160 four astronauts have earned their stripes, that's for sure. These 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:26.400 are all seasoned veteran astronauts. All of them have flown 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:29.640 before the three Americans vary. 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:31.840 I mean, have you chiefs. 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:35.439 I mean, astronauts in general have resumes that put all 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:38.640 of us to shame. If I stand next to an astronaut, 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:40.760 I'm just like, what have I done with my life? 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:42.199 I've done nothing compared to them. 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:43.960 So these guys and. 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:49.400 Christina and all the other people on this mission are 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:52.400 like the best of the best. And I got a 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:55.160 feel for them because they've been in this limbo state. 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:57.280 I mean, they've been training for this for years and 0:10:57.360 --> 0:11:00.400 years and years, and then they go into core team 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:02.719 and so they can get ready to launch in February, 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:04.800 and then they got to get out and then I 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:08.240 mean they this is yeah. They they have to be 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:11.560 good with the media and they have to be really patient. 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:17.040 And my feeling is when I'm around astronauts, are they 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:18.480 are better than us? Sloaney? 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:18.920 They are? 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:21.400 Well, there's no question. I Mean you look at the 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:23.920 history when they started as test pilots, the chucky Haegers 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:26.080 in the world, for example, John Glenn's and these were 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:29.760 these guys that eat nails, and now we have expanded 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:33.400 that to more modern times, obviously with technology. But I 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:36.200 agree with you, the resumes and the pedigree of our 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:39.680 astronauts of our space program are second to none, and 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:41.760 you have to have full confidence that the people that 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:44.520 are executing the mission are qualified, and they're beyond qualified 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:47.400 for sure. Also, these astronauts before are going to be 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:50.319 living quarters that are size of about two minivans for 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:53.040 about ten days. Which BUCkies? Do you think they'll stop 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:53.600 out on the way. 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:58.120 That's one of the things why I don't think I 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:01.640 could be an abstronauts claustropho via this. I mean, this isn't. 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:03.760 Like Star Trek lying on the enterprise. 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:06.360 This is uh, this is one of the things that 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:09.600 you know when you go to NASA and you see 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:12.679 like the mock ups of these things. I look at these, 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:16.400 I'm like, how would I survive ten days in this 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:21.240 little tin can? I mean, it's it's remarkable that they 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:24.080 do this, and you know, I, you know, I go 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:26.840 back and forth as what if they you know, unlikely, 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:28.000 what if they would ask if I. 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:29.680 Would want to go up? And you know, would I 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:30.000 do it? 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:33.360 Of course I would, but I would be it would 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:36.440 not be fun. It would not be pretty, that's for sure. 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:41.520 I kind of get the impression that all of the rockets. 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:44.000 That went to the Moon, with those you know, with 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:46.120 the Apollo missions, that by the time. 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:48.559 They got back, the inside of that thing was disgusting. 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:50.760 I mean it had to be gross with all that stuff, 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:53.720 no doubt about it. They never talk about it, but 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:56.600 don't to be real, but it's it's one of those 0:12:56.600 --> 0:13:01.760 things that this is something that is you know, is memorable. 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:05.680 This is something that is going to be very interesting 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:09.480 going forward. And I think that, uh, the view that 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:09.960 they're going. 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:11.880 To get is going to be unreal. 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:15.680 And hopefully we'll all be along with them for the ride. 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:18.280 Yeah, that's probably true. There you've got four people in 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:20.960 two minivans for ten days. It's probably going to look 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:23.320 like a homeless shelter. You think that, well, they lose 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:26.000 their security deposit, that that clearly they they're that's not 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:27.120 going to come back to them. 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:28.439 No, that's it. 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:30.400 They're Yeah, they're gonna have to hose the inside of 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:32.600 that thing out. It's gonna be Yeah, it's going to be. 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:36.040 I mean, the whole thing of you know, the space food, 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:40.240 the diet is very interesting. The hygiene is very interesting. 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:43.840 It's this untold story of you know, maybe when I 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:45.680 was a kid, I wanted to be an astronaut, and 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:48.199 then I think maybe I went to NASA. 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:49.440 And I looked at the inside. I was like, m. 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:54.680 Y days, how did know you? Probably I'd suck it up. 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:57.199 I mean, you're going to the Moon for crying out loud. 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:01.800 That's true, But I do you know? I joke at myself, 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:03.559 I say, you know, I don't think I have the 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:04.480 right stuff for this. 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:07.080 Yeah, I don't either. I'd be the dummy party. Who's 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:07.559 this button? 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:07.800 Dude? 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:08.000 Er? 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:11.319 They don't want me anywhere near this thing. He is 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:15.160 Dean Regaez see Cincinnati's astronomer and the Artemis two launches 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:17.880 skept for tonight. Window looks open from this point, but 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:20.840 who knows why or if they'll scrub the mission. It's 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:23.560 been delayed enough as it is. Other part of this thing, too, 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:26.880 in all seriousness, is the space X starship NASA needs 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:28.720 after the actual moon landing. So we're not landing on 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:32.280 the Moon today, but that'll have to come a little 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:34.640 later there, and that's fine, scheduled by two years. How 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:37.520 does that affect the twenty twenty eight target, and if so, 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:39.840 then should we not be delaying this mission? 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:44.520 Yeah, that's what's coming up next is so if everything 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:47.160 goes well with this mission, then we have to prepare 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:50.160 for the actual landing on the surface, and that part 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:55.520 is also maybe overly complicated. There's a lot of skepticism 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:57.240 about this landing mission. 0:14:58.320 --> 0:14:58.800 This one. 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:01.360 The Artemist two is like, okay, yeah, we're testing this 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:05.120 stuff out. But the Artemist three is going to test 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:11.120 out a possible kind of rendezvous point for robotic things. 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:14.720 So then the Artemis formation will rendezvous with that and 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:18.240 then go down to the surface. So it's it's been 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:21.560 as a modified plan and this is where you know, 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:27.000 I wish that I could say NASA is like really 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:31.000 planning this well. But there's some there's some criticism out 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:35.120 there because of there's this uncertainty which is the rocket 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:36.400 that it's going to rendezvous with. 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:37.960 They're testing out two different. 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:40.520 Ones and so they don't even know which one it's 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:44.320 going to be, and a lot of people are saying, well, 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:46.520 why aren't we just going and landing straight on the Moon? 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:50.520 What do we need to overcomplicate things? And I think rightly, 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:53.000 so I think there's some things going on with us 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:56.760 that are very uncertain, and so people in the astronomy 0:15:56.760 --> 0:16:00.560 community are really uneasy about what's going on or what 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:01.160 you know, what. 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:03.360 The plan is. I think that's what it is. Yeah, yeah, 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:05.800 And then the latest, the latest. 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.240 Is, uh, you know, the head of NASA comes out 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:10.560 and say, oh, we're going to scrap this one mission, 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:15.000 which was the Lunar orbitter. There was going to be 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:17.280 either going to try to build a space station around 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:20.160 the Moon and instead we're going to build a lunar base. 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:24.840 And I'm like, wait, let's let's do this one thing first. 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:25.440 How about that. 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:27.040 Let me let's see this is going to work. 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:29.720 It's like, hey, we haven't done this one thing, so 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:30.920 let's do something even better. 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:34.160 But if it goes perfectly, that that unlocks future missions, 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:36.560 right and maybe at some point a trip to Mars, 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:39.960 which in your estimation be how many years away that 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:41.800 oh boy, geez, with. 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:43.600 How long it's taken to go back to the Moon, 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:47.000 I don't know. There the optimist are saying the twenty 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:51.960 thirties with the Mars mission. I'm more realistic and I'm 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:54.000 thinking twenty forties, and even. 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:54.920 That might be optimistic. 0:16:55.000 --> 0:17:00.160 Because it's just that's the thing is. So if for 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:03.680 testing out systems to go Tomors the Moon is a 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:07.359 four day journey out there, Mars is a seven month journey, 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:11.479 and so that's the big, big leap, and we do 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:14.760 have to practice, There's no doubt about it, because going 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:16.440 to Mars is going to be like nothing else. 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:18.960 Yeah, and you're gonna need a capsule much much bigger 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:21.680 than your mom's minivan, that's for sure, Dean Regas. The 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:26.120 launch window opens at six twenty four tonight from Kennedy 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:29.000 Space Center and the Launch Complex. Thirty nine Bravo would 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:30.800 be your launch if you're keeping score at home, Thirty 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:34.399 nine Bravo is the launchpad there. NASA's got wall to 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:37.320 wall covers. Dean is talking about this as website Astrodean 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:41.320 dot com, the Looking Up podcasts, and Cincinnati's astronomer Dean Rigas, 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:42.440 thanks for jumping on this morning. 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:46.280 Hey, my pleasure and everybody keep looking up. Dean. 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:48.800 Thanks again, brother. We've got news on the way in 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:51.240 just minutes, and we switched from that to more serious stuff. 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:53.560 The report on Fiji drops. We'll get into that in 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:56.639 just minutes. And Ken Cobra at ten oh six. This 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:59.120 morning's to drop some bombs here on seven hundred WLW 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:07.760 Floni here, seven WLW rolling on. We got baseball today. 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:11.080 I think fingers crossed weatherwise, fingers crossed. I think we 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:12.720 get it in. I think they have to get it 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:14.320 and we don't want to be playing them here in 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:18.200 August or something like that. That's insane. Coming up at 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:21.360 ten oh six, Ken Colobra President, the FOP frequent guest 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:24.280 I know in the station. But yesterday the report came 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:28.360 out on Terry Fiji. This is the report that took Damn 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:33.000 near six months, six months and thirty two witnesses and 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:35.920 a verdict that could end her career. And I read 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:38.359 through the report, not as an attorney. I'm not an 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:41.040 attorney by any stretch of the imagination, but there's certainly 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:43.159 some interesting stuff in there. And I think that the 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:46.399 takeaway is, listen, it takes six months to do a report. 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:50.280 You hire a very prominent local law firm, Frost Brown Todd, 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:56.000 and you know reports come out in government arts, especially 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:58.160 at the backing, whether it's a city, whether it's the state, 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:01.440 county or federally right, stuff comes out. It's like three 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:04.880 thousand pages long you know, sometimes they release these big 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:06.800 reports that come out and go, oh my god, look 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:09.280 at the size of this. This report is unbelievable, and 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:12.560 it's thousands of pages because it took six months, and 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:16.120 you're gonna get your money's worth. This thing was nine 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:21.200 pages long. Now, you know again, I think you can 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:23.840 be succinct, and typically these things aren't lawyers. If you've 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:26.280 ever read a draft of an amendment or some sort 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:30.239 of bill or legislation, it's the if you gave that 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:32.359 as a kid to your English teacher, you get an 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:35.600 F because it'd be a run on, run on sentence 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:37.879 that goes forever. You forget what the scope of the 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:39.879 question was the first place you read this thing and go, 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:42.840 I don't even know what they're talking about because lawyers 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:46.919 wrote it. Apparently grammar and the rules of the English 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:49.280 language don't apply to attorneys. They use the big words. 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:51.080 But man, there's a lot of comments and run on 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:53.680 sentences there. I'm gonna give you an F on that one. 0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:56.920 Why isn't that the case here? And I you know again, 0:19:56.960 --> 0:20:01.000 that is just a very snap shot look at what 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:03.720 we're talking about here, because there's some serious allegations in there. 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:07.920 For sure, but man, six months, nine pages, I don't 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:11.760 know about that. I don't know about that. And some 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:13.679 of the things that were in this concluded she has 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:19.960 not been an effective leader, that she's old school, she's rigid, 0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:24.760 she's authoritarian. Her communication style lacked a transparency and distrust 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:29.240 or created a transparency distrust arount CPD. The command staff 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:31.640 often learned news from media and not chain of command. 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:36.760 They felt there's a strong culture retaliation within CPD. That 0:20:37.080 --> 0:20:39.760 she blocked City Hall, including the city Manager and assistant 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:42.199 city Manager, from communicating with the command staff. That she 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:46.280 failed to fully implement the Summer Safety Plan while publicly 0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:49.360 agreeing to it, didn't talk to city Hall when overtime's 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:51.920 loss were unfilled. But as I recall, part of this too, 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:56.720 when the implementation of that summer safety plan was the 0:20:56.760 --> 0:21:00.359 fact that it had to do with overtime hours. Terry 0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:04.480 Thigi thought during your tenure that officers were burned out. 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:07.040 And I've talked to a lot of cops who have retired. 0:21:07.080 --> 0:21:08.399 Some of them said, well, I'm not a big fan 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:12.720 of Terry Thigi. And that's fair because how many people 0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:17.159 truly love their employer or their boss. Not many, not many, 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:20.399 So that makes sense in that regard, But when it 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:23.320 comes to the chain of command and people not knowing 0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:26.240 and not implementing the summer safety plan, well, that's because 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:28.879 officers are reporting and this is the rank and file 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:32.879 po's are saying, Look, I'm burned out, I appreciate the overtime, 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:34.960 the money's great, and there's gonna be a number of people. 0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:36.800 I'll take all the hours I can get. There's people 0:21:36.840 --> 0:21:40.320 like that. But in today's climate, we know that quality 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:42.280 of life is a big issue, especially if you're younger, 0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:46.440 and this would be police officers. Younger people cherish time off. 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:48.320 They don't look at this, I'm gonna try and get 0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:50.439 all the money i can get and then retire in 0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:52.440 a few years. Now they're going, I'm going to enjoy 0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:53.879 it along the way. So quality of life is a 0:21:53.960 --> 0:21:55.880 huge issue, and for your mental health as well. There's 0:21:55.880 --> 0:21:58.800 no more stressful job than being a cop in the 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:02.280 city of Cincinnati, particularly district run. And so I think, 0:22:02.960 --> 0:22:05.000 not knowing the inter workings of this thing, that that's 0:22:05.040 --> 0:22:07.520 one point I would push back on out of probably many, 0:22:07.600 --> 0:22:10.959 but that well, the officers the forced overtime, even at 0:22:11.000 --> 0:22:14.800 double time, Okay, but does that get your time with 0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:16.920 your families. They get your time off to enjoy how 0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:18.960 hard you work, because you do need that balance. I 0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:21.000 think that's what she was going at with the summer 0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:24.080 safety plan, and the city said no, no, no, she 0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:27.160 didn't take it seriously. I don't know this all haption 0:22:27.400 --> 0:22:29.679 happened in and around and during the election, and one 0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:32.160 of the big issues, of course is that and have 0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:34.560 to have pureval. The administration says that's not the reason 0:22:34.560 --> 0:22:38.040 why she got fired or she was relieved of her job. 0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:41.000 It's because of all these other things. But I'm looking 0:22:41.040 --> 0:22:43.679 through this going I can be honest with you, I'm 0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:47.480 leaning towards Steven m he's the attorney for Terry Fiji 0:22:47.600 --> 0:22:51.199 and calling this thing a hatchet job. I agree in 0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:53.280 many aspects of this thing, and looking through the report, 0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:56.640 going all right, so we fired her. But I guess 0:22:56.680 --> 0:22:59.919 the question is, if she was doing all these things poorly, 0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:02.879 why wouldn't you have given her a performance review? Why 0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:05.440 wouldn't you given her a notice? I will ask Julie 0:23:05.480 --> 0:23:08.200 Bouki about this too. At ten thirty five. Oddly enough, 0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:10.639 today Kurus suirpsent at ten thirty and we're going to 0:23:10.680 --> 0:23:12.120 talk I'm going to talk to her about this after 0:23:12.200 --> 0:23:14.919 ken Kober's on the show, and how this applies to 0:23:14.960 --> 0:23:17.800 me and you in the workplace. Like we know, you 0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:20.000 can get fired for any reason. Now, if your employee 0:23:20.000 --> 0:23:21.320 wants to fire you, they'll come up with a cause. 0:23:21.359 --> 0:23:23.879 They'll find four cause. As it is, right, that's easy 0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:26.800 to do, it's very easy to do. But if you're 0:23:26.840 --> 0:23:30.520 not getting annual reviews and she hadn't had a review 0:23:30.560 --> 0:23:33.760 in seven years as chief, then how do you know 0:23:34.000 --> 0:23:35.959 if you're doing a good job? How do you know 0:23:36.000 --> 0:23:40.280 what the expectations are? That's poor communication and a lack 0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:43.679 of transparency in my opinion, from the same administration that 0:23:43.800 --> 0:23:47.200 is holding her to a different standard. Now, she said 0:23:47.240 --> 0:23:49.639 she think she was the best chief the Sins of 0:23:49.680 --> 0:23:53.560 the City has ever had. Probably probably not. But again 0:23:53.600 --> 0:23:55.600 it's is she seen thought she was doing a great job? 0:23:55.640 --> 0:23:58.960 Why because she's getting no feedback? Isn't that a breakdown 0:23:59.000 --> 0:24:02.520 the most basic break down of with the problem with 0:24:02.560 --> 0:24:04.320 this report And I'm sure there's other ones at ken 0:24:04.359 --> 0:24:09.199 kobral Outline at ten oh six this morning, But if 0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:11.800 I'm doing a bad job, shouldn't you be put on notice? 0:24:11.840 --> 0:24:13.640 I mean, you may run a company. You may work 0:24:13.640 --> 0:24:17.520 for someone and you kind of know if you're on 0:24:17.600 --> 0:24:21.160 the radar, because they'll call you in and say, hey, 0:24:21.640 --> 0:24:23.240 we got a problem with this, we got a problem 0:24:23.280 --> 0:24:25.760 with that. We got all right, so I'm kind of 0:24:25.800 --> 0:24:28.800 being put on notice, or hey, we're going to sit 0:24:28.840 --> 0:24:31.520 down and give you a what do they call a 0:24:31.560 --> 0:24:33.919 work improvement plan or whatever the hell it is and improved. 0:24:34.000 --> 0:24:35.960 Once they put you on the improvement plan, you're going 0:24:36.000 --> 0:24:38.480 to get fired. Hey, we're got to come up with 0:24:38.520 --> 0:24:40.760 an improvement plan for you. Here's the terms of your 0:24:40.760 --> 0:24:42.840 improvement plan. That's how you can get better at your job. 0:24:43.640 --> 0:24:45.200 And if you do everything, you're still going to get 0:24:45.200 --> 0:24:47.440 fired when you get that improvement. Basically, that's noticed that 0:24:47.480 --> 0:24:50.040 say hey, we don't like you that much anymore. We 0:24:50.040 --> 0:24:52.320 don't think you're doing a good job. Here's your improvement plan. 0:24:52.400 --> 0:24:54.080 And even if you hit all the marks, typically you 0:24:54.080 --> 0:24:57.600 wind up losing your job anyway. But that was never 0:24:57.600 --> 0:25:01.080 done with Terry Thiji, and even in the report itself, 0:25:01.080 --> 0:25:03.639 it kind of lose ethic. Well, she's never had, you know, 0:25:03.840 --> 0:25:06.120 never had a review or anything, and everything's been fine, 0:25:06.160 --> 0:25:08.000 and everything in her thirty five years has been good. 0:25:08.000 --> 0:25:10.000 As well. So I don't know what to make of 0:25:10.040 --> 0:25:12.960 this thing. So you know, you look at that, and 0:25:13.480 --> 0:25:17.040 of course one is going to come to the conclusion 0:25:17.080 --> 0:25:19.960 this is entirely political, much like what we just had 0:25:20.000 --> 0:25:23.240 happened yesterday with the dismissal of the charges against Alec Tchavinsky. 0:25:23.560 --> 0:25:27.560 Here's a guy that he's been fearing for retribution from 0:25:27.560 --> 0:25:30.119 the courts for a while. It was the idea was that, well, no, 0:25:30.240 --> 0:25:33.800 this is not a administrative or political move to go after 0:25:33.840 --> 0:25:37.840 the white guy, so in an issue of fairness with 0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:40.280 the people of color who were in that group. But 0:25:41.160 --> 0:25:43.520 we now, we've learned ever since, and this was months 0:25:43.560 --> 0:25:46.000 and months ago, that he was truly the victim here, 0:25:46.080 --> 0:25:48.919 that he was responding to the assaults and the horrible 0:25:49.000 --> 0:25:52.080 verbal and racist attacks against him, against the white guy. 0:25:54.000 --> 0:25:57.159 And I'm sorry, when when you have a case like 0:25:57.200 --> 0:26:01.320 Alea Tchairvinsky and Terry the they're kind of cover from 0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:03.080 the same cloth. It's like we're just looking for a 0:26:03.119 --> 0:26:05.800 scapegoat here, we're looking for we want to make everything 0:26:05.840 --> 0:26:08.320 appear fair when it's really not. I mean, you can 0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:10.880 fight for fairness and equity, inclusion, all those things, wonderful 0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:15.640 things because I truly believe that you know who you are, 0:26:15.640 --> 0:26:18.280 who you're born, what color you're born, or with gender, 0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:22.199 whatever it might be. As no, doesn't ensure the quality 0:26:22.240 --> 0:26:24.440 of the individual, the quality of the character. And doctor 0:26:24.480 --> 0:26:27.000 King was right about that, you know, judge people in 0:26:27.040 --> 0:26:29.000 their merits. For God's sakes, aren't we over the whole 0:26:29.040 --> 0:26:32.000 skin color, gender identity nonsense. But some of the same 0:26:32.000 --> 0:26:34.480 people fighting for that will use that as a stone 0:26:34.880 --> 0:26:37.240 to throw against people who may push back on them. 0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:39.800 And I don't think that's going to change anytime soon. 0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:44.439 But here's Tchavinsky. The evidence indicates that he was a victim, 0:26:44.720 --> 0:26:46.879 yet we're going to prosecute him anyway. How'd that end? 0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:51.600 It end with a dismissal? So what did we learn 0:26:51.640 --> 0:26:54.879 from this whole thing? The fact that it's pretty clear 0:26:54.920 --> 0:26:57.840 with Tchavinsky, with Terry Thiji, that there's a lot of 0:26:57.880 --> 0:27:00.680 political motivation in here and a lot of underhand politics 0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:03.360 that are involved in the decision making in which they 0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:06.560 say is transparent and crystal clear. And meanwhile we had 0:27:06.560 --> 0:27:08.800 these two things I see better than I hear. Let's 0:27:08.800 --> 0:27:10.840 put it that way. Cobra's on at ten oh six 0:27:10.880 --> 0:27:13.479 this morning on the show on seven hundred w welw 0:27:13.760 --> 0:27:15.919 and then Bauki to talk about how this what this 0:27:15.960 --> 0:27:18.240 means for me and you in the workplace, how to 0:27:18.320 --> 0:27:22.119 cover your You know what we are in the spring season. 0:27:22.200 --> 0:27:24.280 I can tell because we have day baseball today, the 0:27:24.320 --> 0:27:26.480 first day game of the year. Got the Pirates and 0:27:26.520 --> 0:27:29.520 Paul Skeens and the Reds and Ander Rabbit and that's 0:27:29.520 --> 0:27:31.920 a twelve forty start. Weather pending here on the Home 0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:34.720 of the Red seven hundred ww. Seems like they're gonna 0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:37.720 it might be the laid start this morning, but you know, 0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:39.600 the rain is guy, it's gonna be heavy for a minute, 0:27:39.640 --> 0:27:40.920 but it might be hit or miss. So we'll see. 0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:43.199 We'll see how works out. It's spring, you know, and 0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:45.400 you know we'll see goods spring. I don't know about you, 0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:47.840 but I'm getting ants at our house that I've never 0:27:47.840 --> 0:27:51.560 seen before. And I guess this year because of the 0:27:51.600 --> 0:27:55.560 winter that we had that ant invasions as common as 0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:58.280 they are, they're super common, but this time of year, 0:27:58.400 --> 0:28:00.639 especially with the winter we had, apparently it's a bad 0:28:00.640 --> 0:28:02.840 ants season. You may have discovered ants in your home, 0:28:03.560 --> 0:28:06.160 and not the au n t ants, the a nts 0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:09.000 little pests because they look for two things. I look 0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:12.000 for moisture and they look for food. And once it's 0:28:12.000 --> 0:28:15.080 started warms up, the colonies wake up. They expand they scout. 0:28:15.119 --> 0:28:19.320 They're trying to claim more territory. And shower last night 0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:22.120 and my wife has is bougie old school bar soap 0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:24.480 and the old school soap dish, and I think it's 0:28:24.520 --> 0:28:26.840 got olive oil something in it anyway, and I look, 0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:28.840 I'm like, what what is on that thing? I pick 0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:30.680 it up and there's ants all over the bar of soap, 0:28:31.720 --> 0:28:33.639 Like what? Well? That was an easy fix with the 0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:36.399 water on and all that, but I was like, why 0:28:36.440 --> 0:28:41.360 would ants want to eat soap? Stupid things had a 0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:44.720 piece of I don't know, and wrapped in saran wrap 0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:47.240 was banana bread or something like that, and the little 0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:48.920 piece of it and that had the ants and in 0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:50.280 their ants were nowhere else and there was a little 0:28:50.360 --> 0:28:53.800 tiny microscopic ants too, by the way, And so the 0:28:53.840 --> 0:28:56.000 best thing you can do being you know, mister diy 0:28:56.080 --> 0:28:58.920 here on the station. The best product I think I 0:28:59.080 --> 0:29:00.880 have found that I would you that I use it 0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:03.560 somewhere else to is called Tarot liquid ant bait traps. 0:29:03.600 --> 0:29:06.760 Those are pretty good. And what happens is you got 0:29:06.800 --> 0:29:08.440 to be patient for these things. Takes about a week 0:29:08.520 --> 0:29:10.920 or two for everything to work, because the ants will 0:29:10.920 --> 0:29:12.600 carry the bait back to the queen and the colony. 0:29:12.640 --> 0:29:15.880 It'll kill the colony. And yeah, you know, you can 0:29:15.960 --> 0:29:18.160 kill the the trail of ants inside the house all 0:29:18.200 --> 0:29:20.800 you want, but you want them to work for you. 0:29:20.880 --> 0:29:23.040 So think of it this way, is that they are 0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:27.640 poisoning themselves, some stupid ants. You know, you can spray 0:29:27.760 --> 0:29:29.800 all the raid you want around it, They're still going 0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:31.160 to come back at some point. And I know some 0:29:31.200 --> 0:29:33.760 people will use like I think it's peppermint oil and 0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:36.920 white vinegar and stuff like that, but that's all temporary. 0:29:37.240 --> 0:29:40.080 And certainly we love to use natural products when you can, 0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:42.720 but if you have to find anything better than teror 0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:45.200 liquid ant, bate. And then around the perimeter, which is 0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:48.520 outside your house, especially areas along liqu the garage door 0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:53.120 is entry points, foundation doors, things like that. You spray 0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:56.680 a barrier around that of some sort of liquid insecticide 0:29:56.720 --> 0:29:59.800 like an Ortho home defense or something like that, and 0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:01.880 around the garage door too, and you do it. You 0:30:01.920 --> 0:30:03.800 do that outside. Don't use that stuff inside. That's the 0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:06.600 outside stuff. Uh, and if it rains like it's going 0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:09.080 to today, then you've got to reapply that. So you 0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:10.720 kind of got a window there a few days to 0:30:10.760 --> 0:30:12.880 do that. So it's got to soak in. And there's 0:30:12.920 --> 0:30:14.920 also you know, some crystals and things you can use 0:30:14.960 --> 0:30:17.800 as well, and I suppose you can use the natural options, 0:30:17.800 --> 0:30:19.880 but the chemicals work pretty good. So you make that 0:30:20.000 --> 0:30:23.400 barrier around the house and then inside you do the 0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:25.240 bait and it's gonna take it's gonna take a minute 0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:27.440 for the ants to go away, but they will. Uh. 0:30:27.480 --> 0:30:29.640 And those are the small tiny answer. Seeing the carpenter 0:30:29.680 --> 0:30:32.000 ants and the bigger ones and the special ones with wings, 0:30:32.320 --> 0:30:36.239 that's a whole different situation you got. You see, you know, 0:30:36.280 --> 0:30:41.560 you see ants with wings. Those are carpenter ants. That's different. 0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:44.080 They those are the ones tunneling in wood and causing 0:30:44.080 --> 0:30:46.920 structure to termites. And that's when you need to call 0:30:46.960 --> 0:30:50.280 a pest control professional just top of my head. So 0:30:51.120 --> 0:30:54.880 use the perimeter spray, use the bait inside, and you 0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:56.840 should be good to go. But man, the ants are 0:30:56.920 --> 0:30:59.440 everywhere this year because of the winter that we just had. 0:31:00.040 --> 0:31:03.600 But that means the soil is warming up and we 0:31:03.640 --> 0:31:06.640 are this close to it being summer. Believe it or not, 0:31:06.720 --> 0:31:10.120 at some point summer will return. So we had a 0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:13.720 couple of eighty degree days there. Pretty good, pretty good. 0:31:14.000 --> 0:31:16.960 I mentioned Reds Baseball Day twelve forty and Rabbit Paul skeens, 0:31:17.200 --> 0:31:18.920 we'll have the call for you, Tommy throw all the 0:31:18.960 --> 0:31:22.480 Cowboy got that going for you down at GABP and 0:31:22.760 --> 0:31:26.800 the Reds got stung last night pretty pretty badly. Williamson 0:31:26.880 --> 0:31:29.160 came in to bitch for the Reds. Listen to the 0:31:29.200 --> 0:31:31.800 pregame show and he was talking about, Yeah, I feel 0:31:31.840 --> 0:31:33.640 so good, I lose I'm ready to go. I can't 0:31:33.640 --> 0:31:35.560 wait to start. This is gonna be awesome. Gets in 0:31:35.600 --> 0:31:38.280 there and just absolutely rocked. Did not have it from 0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:40.400 the jump, and the Reds took it on the chin 0:31:40.560 --> 0:31:42.920 last night. So hopefully they can make that up and 0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:45.360 win back to back series for the first time. I 0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:47.160 think it feels in forever that we started to open, 0:31:47.360 --> 0:31:49.680 you know, the start of the season off on the 0:31:49.720 --> 0:31:51.920 right path here, you know, take two or three, you're 0:31:51.960 --> 0:31:54.120 doing pretty damn well. Do not want to drop the 0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:56.760 series to the Pirates though, So Abbot's got his work 0:31:56.800 --> 0:31:58.720 cut off for him, and hopefully maybe some long balls 0:31:58.760 --> 0:32:01.640 today when we get started just about twelve forty so 0:32:01.720 --> 0:32:03.400 I mentioned that Ken Kober is coming up and then 0:32:03.440 --> 0:32:06.800 Julie Bauki Julie on the job. She'll analyze the Terry 0:32:06.840 --> 0:32:09.200 Fiji report we'll get and that Sarah lisill drop by 0:32:09.200 --> 0:32:11.200 with the Snort report. It will be the outside pitch 0:32:11.720 --> 0:32:14.000 before the inside pitch here on the Home of the 0:32:14.000 --> 0:32:16.920 Red seven hundred WLW. Also a Dean Regas was on 0:32:17.000 --> 0:32:20.360 earlier and something else happening tonight because the game will 0:32:20.400 --> 0:32:22.920 be over. If you're looking for something six twenty four tonight, 0:32:23.000 --> 0:32:24.520 so far it is on and that would be the 0:32:24.600 --> 0:32:30.440 Artemis two launch. Dean Regas from Astrodean dot com formerly 0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:34.520 the Observatory in Cincinnati, Cincinnati's astronomer will be on. Was 0:32:34.560 --> 0:32:36.600 on to talk about that a little bit earlier. And 0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:39.560 you know, it's interesting why we're doing this thing now 0:32:39.600 --> 0:32:41.960 and again, and I think it's fair to ask, you know, 0:32:42.000 --> 0:32:44.080 forty four billion dollars and we're just gonna fly a 0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:46.240 circle around the moon and come back, why are we 0:32:46.320 --> 0:32:49.240 doing this? Okay, at some point maybe we do go 0:32:49.320 --> 0:32:51.680 to Mars. And forty four billion dollars is a lot 0:32:51.680 --> 0:32:55.040 of money to do something we did fifty something years ago. Think, 0:32:55.280 --> 0:32:57.480 all right, we did that already. This is pretty I 0:32:57.480 --> 0:33:01.480 think it's fair to question this, quite honestly, in that, Okay, 0:33:01.520 --> 0:33:04.000 we did this fifty two years ago. The technology is better, 0:33:04.320 --> 0:33:07.040 the science is better. Therefore it's going to be much 0:33:07.040 --> 0:33:09.240 safer to do this. So if we did it fifty 0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:11.680 two years ago, why are we doing it again? I 0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:13.600 thought the whole point of the Space Shuttle was to 0:33:13.720 --> 0:33:16.080 do this stuff, and we've gotten rid of that program. 0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:17.960 And the idea was, hey, we could live in space 0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:19.600 and say, okay, great, now we're going to go back 0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:23.800 to rockets again and do that. And this is ahead 0:33:23.800 --> 0:33:26.840 of I guess maybe a Mars landing in twenty forty. 0:33:26.840 --> 0:33:30.400 At some point, you know, it's cool stuff and things 0:33:30.440 --> 0:33:32.280 come out of the space where like this one they're 0:33:32.320 --> 0:33:34.400 doing something like an organ on a chip is what 0:33:34.480 --> 0:33:36.959 I saw. I'm not sure what that actually means if 0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:40.320 that's a if that's a appetizer organ on a chip 0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:43.400 like liver and potato chips, or it's actually a human 0:33:43.520 --> 0:33:45.960 organ that's on a microchip, which is pretty cool, and 0:33:46.000 --> 0:33:47.640 what that means for the future. You always get something 0:33:47.640 --> 0:33:49.320 good out of it. It just takes a while. It's the 0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:51.960 point of this whole thing. So six twenty four tonight 0:33:52.120 --> 0:33:54.719 and in the window there, I'll be the weather in 0:33:54.760 --> 0:33:56.880 Florida right now for this launch looks like a lot 0:33:56.920 --> 0:33:59.560 better for them, that is us for baseball at twelve 0:33:59.560 --> 0:34:01.920 four hopefully fingers crossed here on the home of the 0:34:01.920 --> 0:34:04.719 Red seven hundred WW, Cincinnati. Do you want to be 0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:10.279 a plenty on seven hundred WLW. It's often said that 0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:13.000 if a police officer wants to pull you over and 0:34:13.040 --> 0:34:15.400 they're looking for a reason why, they'll find something. They'll 0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:18.560 find tall light out, something blinking, touch the fog line, 0:34:18.600 --> 0:34:21.840 touch center line, signal, to early signal too, something of 0:34:21.920 --> 0:34:23.239 those like that, if they want to they're looking to 0:34:23.239 --> 0:34:25.200 pull you over, the pull you over? Did this just 0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:28.280 happened to Terry Thiji in a much bigger sense, of course, 0:34:28.640 --> 0:34:32.600 Cincinnati releasing a bombshell report on the police chief in 0:34:33.160 --> 0:34:35.520 the police chief in Limbo may have not been fired 0:34:35.600 --> 0:34:38.640 yet and after six months, roughly six months, thirty two 0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:41.880 witnesses and now a verdict that could end your career. 0:34:42.680 --> 0:34:44.719 This is what the investigation found. This is what an 0:34:44.760 --> 0:34:47.120 attorney called a shameful hatch at job the information is 0:34:47.160 --> 0:34:49.440 out and some of the highlights we'll get into with 0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:52.879 Ken Kober fopre president on the show on seven hundred WLW. 0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:56.319 Safe to say, Ken that there's not much love lost here. 0:34:56.320 --> 0:34:57.799 I know the rank and found that big fans of 0:34:57.880 --> 0:35:02.279 Terry Thiji. But everyone hates their boss in America pretty much, 0:35:02.320 --> 0:35:04.080 don't they yees? 0:35:04.400 --> 0:35:06.480 Yeah for the most part, that's true. And your chiefs 0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:09.200 are no exception. You have half the rank and file 0:35:09.360 --> 0:35:11.239 will love the chief and the other half won't. Let's 0:35:11.320 --> 0:35:13.000 just just what society is. 0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:13.359 Yeah. 0:35:13.400 --> 0:35:17.640 Yeah, So this investigation, I'm pretty thorough with Frost Brown, 0:35:17.719 --> 0:35:20.719 Todd Gibbons did and talk to thirty two that they 0:35:21.120 --> 0:35:23.759 interviewed thirty to forty two. A couple people obviously did 0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:24.840 not want to go on a record. A lot of 0:35:24.840 --> 0:35:28.280 people are nervous about this. The report concludes Terry Thigi 0:35:28.400 --> 0:35:31.799 has not been an effective leader of the department. Again, 0:35:31.880 --> 0:35:34.080 she has not fired at this time. It's an ongoing 0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:36.399 personal matter. Whatever the hell that means. Six months later, 0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:39.920 that she was too old school, pretty authoritarian and rigid. 0:35:40.160 --> 0:35:43.840 Her communications style LA like transparency, distrust. There's a strong 0:35:43.880 --> 0:35:47.759 culture of retaliation inside a CPD, and that if she 0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:50.960 allegedly blocked City Hall, and that would include the city 0:35:51.000 --> 0:35:54.319 manager and the assistant city Manager from communicating with her 0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:57.799 command staff directly. I had to go through her, and 0:35:58.360 --> 0:36:01.800 this of course started to unravel during the violent summer 0:36:01.840 --> 0:36:04.400 that we just had, and it became an untenable situation. 0:36:04.760 --> 0:36:08.399 Oddly enough, coincide, coinciding with the election. And so that's 0:36:08.440 --> 0:36:11.279 the political context, that's the facts of the matter here, 0:36:11.360 --> 0:36:13.720 let's jump into the bones of this thing. The report 0:36:13.760 --> 0:36:17.120 says that she rejected the Mayor's office of double overtime pay, 0:36:17.520 --> 0:36:21.560 citing a potential collective bargaining violation. Basically, she said that 0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:24.759 the city wanted double time for officers. We're going to 0:36:24.760 --> 0:36:26.440 work the hell out of you. She said, Well, I 0:36:26.480 --> 0:36:28.239 want my men and women to work the hell out 0:36:28.239 --> 0:36:30.160 of and they need some time off and they should 0:36:30.200 --> 0:36:33.040 only get time in a half as well. Did you 0:36:33.080 --> 0:36:35.120 ever consult you with the FOP about that? And was 0:36:35.160 --> 0:36:35.520 she right? 0:36:37.000 --> 0:36:37.120 Now? 0:36:37.200 --> 0:36:40.920 What we did talk about was the forced overtime that 0:36:41.040 --> 0:36:45.520 city Hall wanted to put upon people, specifically to walk 0:36:46.160 --> 0:36:48.279 in areas of Vine Street and Main Street and over 0:36:48.320 --> 0:36:52.120 the Rhine that quite honestly just weren't having problems when 0:36:52.160 --> 0:36:55.440 she talks about the data, the data did not suggest 0:36:55.680 --> 0:36:59.200 in those blocks that they should be patrolling forced to 0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:01.400 work over time. And that's she said, I'm going to 0:37:01.480 --> 0:37:03.759 I'm going to go the line, these cops are overworked. 0:37:03.760 --> 0:37:05.719 I'm not going to force them to work more. 0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:09.719 Well, the cops were you're rank and file though, were 0:37:09.760 --> 0:37:12.719 they leaning more towards hey, I get extra money, I 0:37:12.719 --> 0:37:14.680 get double time, or going, hey, thank god, I can't 0:37:14.680 --> 0:37:17.000 work these many hours I had to manage. It was 0:37:17.040 --> 0:37:20.360 fairly divided. But what was the mindset generally speaking of 0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:21.040 the rank and file. 0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:24.080 Then for the most part, people are just burned out, 0:37:24.320 --> 0:37:26.279 and they're like, listen, we're working enough as it is. 0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:29.640 You have you have a pretty small faction of the 0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:33.480 department that consistently works overtime. You know, with this new 0:37:33.520 --> 0:37:36.040 generation of cops, a lot of them prefer, you know, 0:37:36.239 --> 0:37:39.360 work life balance and they would rather be home instead 0:37:39.400 --> 0:37:41.600 of working. And then there's there's some that are like, yeh, 0:37:41.680 --> 0:37:44.319 I'll work, I'll work all the time. But you can't 0:37:44.360 --> 0:37:47.080 continue to go from that same pool of people. And 0:37:47.120 --> 0:37:49.440 then now you're going to tell them now not only hey, 0:37:49.520 --> 0:37:52.040 thank you for volunteering for all these hours, but now 0:37:52.040 --> 0:37:54.360 we're going to order you to work more, and that 0:37:54.520 --> 0:37:56.640 was something that a lot of officers were upset about. 0:37:57.280 --> 0:38:00.319 The report describes a strong culture of retaliation and side 0:38:00.360 --> 0:38:02.440 the force, are your members telling the same thing? And 0:38:02.480 --> 0:38:03.360 how long has it been going on? 0:38:04.719 --> 0:38:07.160 Well, listen, I've been here twenty six years. There's been 0:38:07.200 --> 0:38:10.359 people that have complained about retaliation for the last twenty 0:38:10.400 --> 0:38:12.120 six years. I've been here, and you talked to retire 0:38:12.160 --> 0:38:15.400 guys that came before me that have always complained about 0:38:15.440 --> 0:38:18.920 the same thing. You know, retaliation is something that certainly 0:38:18.960 --> 0:38:22.440 has to be proven, not just you know, suspected of. 0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:26.719 But I would say that under her leadership it was 0:38:27.040 --> 0:38:28.759 no different than any other leadership. 0:38:29.960 --> 0:38:30.160 Yeah. 0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:31.759 And I mean there's cases you go back that are 0:38:31.760 --> 0:38:33.680 still being said, the Pettis case and others where it's 0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:37.120 you know, a case of maybe discrimination, but that seems 0:38:37.160 --> 0:38:40.799 to pop up often with labor relations inside police forces 0:38:40.840 --> 0:38:43.839 Cincinnati notwithstanding, No. 0:38:43.840 --> 0:38:44.600 You're absolutely right. 0:38:44.600 --> 0:38:48.440 I mean, there's there's always been this element of people 0:38:48.480 --> 0:38:51.080 being unsatisfied for one reason or another. I mean there's 0:38:51.120 --> 0:38:53.920 people that have that passed up for preferred assignments that 0:38:54.040 --> 0:38:56.240 believe that they were wrong for one reason or another, 0:38:57.239 --> 0:38:59.960 and it's it's something that unfortunately is just part of 0:39:00.160 --> 0:39:03.040 police culture. And I think trying to use that as 0:39:03.120 --> 0:39:05.560 an example of why you know she was an an 0:39:05.560 --> 0:39:07.840 effective leader is just very misguided. 0:39:08.440 --> 0:39:11.040 Witnesses told investigators who are nervous to be interviewed they 0:39:11.120 --> 0:39:15.080 feared backlash, career consequences, et cetera. Is that a common fear? 0:39:15.120 --> 0:39:17.080 How widespread is that with your membership? 0:39:18.719 --> 0:39:20.400 I think a lot of people just want to come 0:39:20.440 --> 0:39:23.760 to work and do their job. And in this particular case, 0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:26.200 there were some that just refused to interview and a 0:39:26.200 --> 0:39:27.720 couple of the men I talked to you, so listen, 0:39:28.239 --> 0:39:31.080 I'm just a po I'm here to do a job. 0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:34.400 I don't want to get involved in city hall politics. 0:39:35.400 --> 0:39:37.440 I don't. I don't have anything to say. And I 0:39:37.480 --> 0:39:41.560 think it was less about necessarily retaliation from the police 0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:44.360 department as it was just I don't want to be 0:39:44.400 --> 0:39:46.320 involved in this because the reality is, what's going to 0:39:46.360 --> 0:39:48.600 happen now. These names are going to be released, and 0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:52.080 once they're released, you know there's going to be depositions, 0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:55.360 there's going to be personnel jackets requested, all of these things, 0:39:55.640 --> 0:39:57.520 and it's just something that cops just don't want to 0:39:57.520 --> 0:40:00.000 deal with it, ken. 0:39:59.800 --> 0:40:03.040 Co But the report says morale has improved under interim 0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:04.759 Chief Henny. Is that a fact? 0:40:06.239 --> 0:40:09.320 I think if you ask the cops that we're dealing 0:40:09.360 --> 0:40:12.520 with thousands of people in the streets fighting on Thursday, 0:40:12.520 --> 0:40:15.000 they would probably tell you that morale is still a challenge, 0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:18.560 you know. I think there there are certainly things that 0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:22.399 Chief Henny has done that has has helped to make 0:40:22.480 --> 0:40:27.680 things more positive. But you have to understand that he's 0:40:27.840 --> 0:40:31.680 also still under our collective barneting agreement, so there's only 0:40:31.760 --> 0:40:35.799 so much that city Hall could do to him if 0:40:35.920 --> 0:40:38.959 he does something they don't like, Whereas you know, Chief 0:40:39.000 --> 0:40:42.759 Biji and other permanent chiefs before are constantly under the 0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:47.319 thumb of city Hall and you're making those decisions. So 0:40:47.680 --> 0:40:50.640 I mean, I think it's like anything else. If you 0:40:50.680 --> 0:40:53.839 ask after the department if they were satisfied the Chief 0:40:53.880 --> 0:40:56.239 hennies here, I think they're gonna say yeah. I think 0:40:56.280 --> 0:40:59.279 if you ask certain people they would be yeah, maybe 0:40:59.280 --> 0:41:02.080 maybe this isn't the greatest idea, but that's normal. That 0:41:02.239 --> 0:41:05.680 is a completely normal scenario for anybody that's in charge 0:41:05.680 --> 0:41:06.400 of the police department. 0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:08.520 Ken Cober is a president of the FOP Queen City 0:41:08.560 --> 0:41:11.360 Lodge joining the Scottsland Show. Here seven hundred WW on 0:41:11.480 --> 0:41:14.680 the Fiji report coming out the former chief, the chief 0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:17.960 in Limbo, if you will. It took almost six months, Kenkober. 0:41:18.200 --> 0:41:21.680 And it was only nine pages. And that strikes me 0:41:21.760 --> 0:41:23.839 as I've seen reports like this where it just goes 0:41:23.880 --> 0:41:25.839 on and on and on. It it's like a it's 0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:29.400 like the Bible, right, this is only nine pages. Did 0:41:29.400 --> 0:41:32.080 you see anything in there that was news to you 0:41:32.120 --> 0:41:33.560 that surprised you or shocked you? 0:41:35.040 --> 0:41:38.279 Yeah, there were some things that were in there, and 0:41:38.320 --> 0:41:40.120 whether they're true or not, I don't know, because obviously 0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:43.120 I wasn't a party to it. But problems with command 0:41:43.160 --> 0:41:46.880 staff officers and the chief, the stuff about the city 0:41:46.920 --> 0:41:49.200 manager and the mayor and the assistant city manager, the 0:41:49.280 --> 0:41:54.799 chief blocking things, I certainly questioned, if they knew that 0:41:55.239 --> 0:41:59.919 she was purposely obstructing communication, why didn't they do something 0:42:00.000 --> 0:42:02.719 about it when it happened. Why are we waiting till 0:42:02.760 --> 0:42:06.279 now months later? And the interesting part about this entire 0:42:06.320 --> 0:42:12.239 investigation that none of these interviews were recorded. They were 0:42:12.239 --> 0:42:15.800 purposely not recorded. They were told you are not allowed 0:42:15.800 --> 0:42:18.719 to record these interviews and we're not going to record them. 0:42:19.000 --> 0:42:21.960 We're simply going to take notes that, in my opinion, 0:42:22.040 --> 0:42:24.319 lacks a whole lot of transparency. I mean, you look 0:42:24.320 --> 0:42:29.080 at these officers going to Internal Investigation Section. Interviews are recorded, 0:42:29.080 --> 0:42:32.120 they go to the citizen's complain Authority, they're recorded. My god, 0:42:32.160 --> 0:42:35.320 we put body cameras on cops, We have cameras in cars. 0:42:35.640 --> 0:42:38.919 Everything these alcers do are recorded. But now they want 0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:43.120 them to participate in this investigation involving city Hall. And 0:42:43.120 --> 0:42:44.279 now all of a sudden, no, no, no, we're not 0:42:44.280 --> 0:42:48.160 going to record anything that doesn't pass the smell Testomy. 0:42:48.320 --> 0:42:52.680 Is that more about the retaliation fear that that very 0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:55.319 fewer people I guess would testify if that were the case, 0:42:55.360 --> 0:42:56.799 and said, hey, listen, I'll talk to you, but you 0:42:56.800 --> 0:42:59.560 write it down. I don't want my voice recorded. Then 0:42:59.600 --> 0:43:02.320 that can get leaked out. And now we have audio evidence. 0:43:03.000 --> 0:43:06.200 No, this was up the request of Frost, Brown and Talk. 0:43:06.760 --> 0:43:08.000 Actually it wasn't even a request. 0:43:08.040 --> 0:43:08.399 It was a. 0:43:08.360 --> 0:43:12.200 Demand that you not recorded and that they're not going 0:43:12.239 --> 0:43:15.200 to record it. And here's the thing. All of this 0:43:15.239 --> 0:43:18.319 is going to come out eventually anyway, because everybody's going 0:43:18.360 --> 0:43:21.120 to be deposed. I mean, assuming that the chief fire 0:43:21.200 --> 0:43:23.760 or yo, she ends up getting fired, she sues the city. 0:43:24.320 --> 0:43:26.160 All of these people that interviewed are going to be 0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:29.160 subject to deposition, so it's all going to come out anyway. No, 0:43:30.040 --> 0:43:32.920 everything in this report was witnesses said, Witnesses said, witness 0:43:33.000 --> 0:43:35.160 is said, and there's really going to be no proof 0:43:35.200 --> 0:43:38.120 of what they said other than notes that someone supposedly took. 0:43:38.800 --> 0:43:42.960 Uh Fiji herself. Obviously it's the thing's a lightning rod 0:43:43.520 --> 0:43:45.439 for her as well, and all the trouble gets thrown 0:43:45.440 --> 0:43:47.560 at her feet because it's an easy excuse. You know, 0:43:48.360 --> 0:43:50.560 wind blows off lids off of garbage cans, Well, it's 0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:52.399 her fault. We can blame it. It happened on her watch, 0:43:52.440 --> 0:43:54.120 even though she had no hand in that. That's part 0:43:54.120 --> 0:43:56.680 of this thing. Her attorney, the very capable Stephen m 0:43:56.680 --> 0:43:58.719 called us sing a hatchet job. Do you agree with that? 0:44:00.040 --> 0:44:01.680 Knew it was going to be from the beginning. You 0:44:01.760 --> 0:44:04.320 put somebody on administrative league two weeks before an election, 0:44:04.920 --> 0:44:08.080 and then it takes you six months to figure out 0:44:08.120 --> 0:44:11.120 whether somebody was effective or not. You know, if somebody 0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:13.960 who is throughout their career, if they if she had 0:44:13.960 --> 0:44:16.680 all these problems with City Hall. Why wasn't anything documented 0:44:16.719 --> 0:44:19.840 before this? It just doesn't make any sense. We we 0:44:19.880 --> 0:44:22.839 all know why this occurred. You know this was this 0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:28.719 was a political blunder yet again by the city and 0:44:28.920 --> 0:44:31.840 it's well, we'll see how this ends up in court. 0:44:31.880 --> 0:44:34.719 But I would suspect that she's probably going to do 0:44:34.760 --> 0:44:35.720 pretty well for herself. 0:44:35.960 --> 0:44:37.640 I would say, if it's a blunder, it worked out 0:44:37.640 --> 0:44:40.200 pretty well for him because of aftab On down all 0:44:40.239 --> 0:44:40.960 got reelected. 0:44:42.080 --> 0:44:44.280 Well, I think that was that was a foregone conclusion. 0:44:44.280 --> 0:44:46.680 If if they would have kept her, I think the 0:44:47.560 --> 0:44:50.719 election would have been the exact same way. But I 0:44:50.719 --> 0:44:53.080 think that someone over at City Hall got nervous and 0:44:53.120 --> 0:44:56.600 thought that maybe this would help re elections. But the 0:44:56.640 --> 0:44:58.880 reality is, I don't think it had any impact one 0:44:58.880 --> 0:44:59.359 way or another. 0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:03.040 You did our expectations because we were pretty so much 0:45:03.040 --> 0:45:06.319 seed hidehide on most things. Ken cober U President the 0:45:06.440 --> 0:45:08.680 FOP that that we're out of touch with what the 0:45:08.719 --> 0:45:11.279 citizens want. Because if all this is going on and 0:45:11.360 --> 0:45:14.040 they just re elect the same people they had before that, 0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:17.640 that and by pretty wide margins too, that tells me 0:45:17.920 --> 0:45:20.759 this is what the residents want. Are we are you? 0:45:20.840 --> 0:45:21.080 Are you? 0:45:21.160 --> 0:45:22.920 Fighting. Are you trying to push a boulder uphill? 0:45:24.000 --> 0:45:25.960 Well, I mean, it's funny that this is what the 0:45:26.000 --> 0:45:29.279 citizens want. Yet when they just did this survey and 0:45:29.320 --> 0:45:32.399 they talk about how safety has to be prioritized, they're 0:45:32.400 --> 0:45:35.080 afraid to be in their own neighborhood. But yet they 0:45:35.120 --> 0:45:38.560 they've voted in the exact same people. So clearly this 0:45:38.800 --> 0:45:41.560 is what they want. And at this point, I think 0:45:41.920 --> 0:45:43.520 we need to just sit back and go this is 0:45:43.560 --> 0:45:45.600 what they want, this is what they get. You know, 0:45:45.719 --> 0:45:49.040 the old adage of you get, you get the government 0:45:49.160 --> 0:45:52.160 that you deserve and that you elect is absolutely true. 0:45:52.520 --> 0:45:54.600 And clearly they're okay with the things are going on 0:45:54.680 --> 0:45:57.680 in this city. So you know, at this point, you 0:45:57.800 --> 0:45:58.919 give the voters what they want. 0:45:59.360 --> 0:46:01.600 Ken Kober, you're rank and file. They get scrutinized all 0:46:01.600 --> 0:46:04.680 the time, your pos and opt the food chain. Did 0:46:04.680 --> 0:46:07.799 it surprise you or is it pretty commonplace that all 0:46:07.840 --> 0:46:10.200 of these bad things came about Fiji is the reason 0:46:10.239 --> 0:46:12.400 why they suspended her and ultimate problem of fire and 0:46:12.400 --> 0:46:15.279 cut her a big check. It's performance based. She had 0:46:15.360 --> 0:46:18.000 had a review a performance review in seven years, and 0:46:18.040 --> 0:46:19.880 yet they threw this out there like she's supposed to 0:46:19.880 --> 0:46:21.759 know she'd never been corrected on any of this. Is 0:46:21.800 --> 0:46:22.280 that common? 0:46:23.600 --> 0:46:27.200 Well, listen, here's the always been the problem with the city, 0:46:27.200 --> 0:46:31.440 and everybody wants to blame the FOP for defending its members. 0:46:31.760 --> 0:46:34.239 You know, when they get suspended, when they get terminated, 0:46:34.280 --> 0:46:36.920 and all of a sudden, these suspensions go away. People 0:46:37.040 --> 0:46:39.799 get reinstated for their jobs and they're terminated. And it's 0:46:39.840 --> 0:46:44.320 all because the city historically has done a terrible job 0:46:45.000 --> 0:46:48.759 documenting things with people that they say are problems. And 0:46:48.920 --> 0:46:52.080 this is no different. You have somebody that has spent 0:46:52.160 --> 0:46:55.479 thirty five years here, Absolutely nothing has been documented. There's 0:46:55.520 --> 0:46:58.000 never been anything saying, hey, you need to do a 0:46:58.000 --> 0:47:01.160 better job. Not a performance of value. How can you 0:47:01.280 --> 0:47:05.040 improve on your performance if you're not told the things 0:47:05.040 --> 0:47:06.439 that you need to improve upon. 0:47:08.360 --> 0:47:10.160 And I think that also gets back to the witness. 0:47:10.320 --> 0:47:12.320 They don't want a paper trail, they don't want evidence 0:47:12.400 --> 0:47:18.280 people testifying. It's you know, if if there's no permanent 0:47:18.320 --> 0:47:21.400 record of this, whether it's a performance evaluation or you 0:47:21.440 --> 0:47:23.600 can always move the line right, you can you can 0:47:23.640 --> 0:47:26.880 take that information and tweak it and use it to 0:47:26.920 --> 0:47:28.960 see how you fit. It's manipulative, is what it is. 0:47:29.800 --> 0:47:32.359 Absolutely and That's where I said, the lack of transparency 0:47:32.440 --> 0:47:37.239 this investigation, it's just it's it's staggering. Now, whether those 0:47:37.239 --> 0:47:40.719 were the rules of engagement for Frost Brown Todd, which 0:47:40.920 --> 0:47:43.600 very well I would suspect would be the case, because 0:47:43.640 --> 0:47:46.440 as far as I know, they're a very very reputable 0:47:46.520 --> 0:47:49.359 law firm. But then again, I also understand that you know, 0:47:49.400 --> 0:47:51.200 you're hired by a client and they say, hey, this 0:47:51.280 --> 0:47:52.919 is how you want they this is how we want 0:47:52.920 --> 0:47:55.560 you to do this, these your marching orders, this is 0:47:55.560 --> 0:47:58.360 what you do. Completely understand that it's just the the 0:47:58.560 --> 0:48:02.360 entire thing, just transparency, and that that I think is 0:48:02.440 --> 0:48:04.680 ultimately where I think the city is going to be 0:48:04.719 --> 0:48:08.240 most vulnerable when you get into any kind of litigation. 0:48:08.440 --> 0:48:11.360 The reason why lawyers are called counselors is they counsel 0:48:11.440 --> 0:48:15.359 they can't actually force you to do something hit their 0:48:15.400 --> 0:48:18.440 consultants basically, so if the marching orders are, hey, we 0:48:18.520 --> 0:48:21.480 don't want any recordings of witnesses, and this is why 0:48:21.520 --> 0:48:24.360 we want the investigation to go, that's the context in 0:48:24.400 --> 0:48:26.480 which your employer, in this case, the City of Cincinnati, 0:48:26.560 --> 0:48:29.280 sets forth to the law firm. The report also says 0:48:29.280 --> 0:48:32.560 that Terry Thiji Block City Hall from communicating directly with 0:48:32.560 --> 0:48:34.880 the assistant chiefs and the command staff. Did you at 0:48:34.880 --> 0:48:37.560 the FOP Ken Cobra ever raised concerns over that chain 0:48:37.600 --> 0:48:38.520 of command break down. 0:48:39.760 --> 0:48:42.879 I'd never heard that, you know, Like I said, I'm 0:48:42.920 --> 0:48:45.719 in a little bit different position just because yeah, I'm 0:48:45.760 --> 0:48:48.400 an FOP leader, but I'm not in the command staff. 0:48:48.760 --> 0:48:50.960 I mean, I'm sure there's certain things that had been 0:48:51.040 --> 0:48:53.160 kept for me on purpose, and I get it that's 0:48:53.520 --> 0:48:57.800 kind of the relationship between union leaders and you know, 0:48:57.880 --> 0:49:01.640 leaders from the police departments of that that wouldn't I mean, 0:49:01.760 --> 0:49:03.800 as far as me being left out, it doesn't surprise 0:49:03.840 --> 0:49:06.719 me a bit. I mean I fully expected. But if 0:49:06.719 --> 0:49:09.719 that's something that city Hall knew was going on, then 0:49:09.800 --> 0:49:11.520 they never addressed it. That's on there. 0:49:12.800 --> 0:49:16.680 Multiple witnesses described the nepotism favoritism in that as a 0:49:16.719 --> 0:49:20.240 huge problem inside CPD. Then even pre Day's Terry Fija, 0:49:20.239 --> 0:49:22.520 I think that said that report. Is that a fair characterization. 0:49:24.320 --> 0:49:26.400 I think it's gone on forever. I know the example 0:49:26.440 --> 0:49:28.960 that was used with her nephew, who's the lieutenant our department. 0:49:30.360 --> 0:49:32.440 He was the only one. They made him the legal 0:49:32.440 --> 0:49:35.040 liaison after he went to law school. Passed the bar. 0:49:35.520 --> 0:49:38.000 He was the only one at the time that I'm 0:49:38.040 --> 0:49:41.080 aware of that had a law degree. It made complete 0:49:41.120 --> 0:49:45.520 sense to put him in that position. So I guess 0:49:45.520 --> 0:49:47.040 that's what they're going to try to use and say 0:49:47.040 --> 0:49:49.919 that this was favoritism and nepotism. But you know, there's 0:49:49.920 --> 0:49:52.719 been accusations of that for as long as I've been there, 0:49:52.800 --> 0:49:56.000 certainly long before I was there, and I'm sure it's 0:49:56.000 --> 0:49:59.320 going to be at least accused of long after I'm gone. 0:50:00.080 --> 0:50:00.279 Time. 0:50:00.280 --> 0:50:03.160 We have a community activist in Iris Rawley who is 0:50:03.160 --> 0:50:04.840 not a big fan of what you guys do for 0:50:04.920 --> 0:50:09.160 a living, and the opposite is true whose son works 0:50:09.160 --> 0:50:11.520 for her, and yet there's no cris of nepotism there. 0:50:12.640 --> 0:50:13.000 Hmmm. 0:50:13.280 --> 0:50:14.440 Kind of interesting, isn't it? 0:50:16.040 --> 0:50:18.120 Ken Kober, What do you see? What do you see 0:50:18.120 --> 0:50:18.880 shaking out from this? 0:50:18.960 --> 0:50:19.239 All? Right? 0:50:19.320 --> 0:50:21.600 So they got you can find anything on anybody, right, 0:50:21.600 --> 0:50:23.560 I mean, if you if Frost they hired Fraud, if 0:50:23.560 --> 0:50:26.720 the Vatican hired Frost Brown Todd Gibbons to investigate the Pope, 0:50:27.040 --> 0:50:28.960 you think he was dirty as hell, because you're there 0:50:28.960 --> 0:50:30.800 going to find dirt on you. I mentioned the pretext 0:50:30.880 --> 0:50:32.600 of a stop for example, you want to pull a 0:50:32.640 --> 0:50:35.239 subject over. You know, you can find something that they're 0:50:35.239 --> 0:50:38.560 doing driving in a car in order to initiate that stop. 0:50:39.280 --> 0:50:41.120 That the same is true here. What do you think 0:50:41.120 --> 0:50:43.160 comes of all this? They just wind up settling and 0:50:43.440 --> 0:50:46.080 we're talking millions and millions of dollars here for Chief Thiji. 0:50:47.520 --> 0:50:49.120 Yeah, I mean it's hard to say. I mean, I 0:50:49.640 --> 0:50:52.919 don't think there's a scenario where she comes back, and 0:50:53.120 --> 0:50:55.279 I certainly I don't blame her. I don't know how 0:50:55.320 --> 0:50:57.839 you would be able to come back and work in 0:50:57.880 --> 0:51:01.600 this kind of environment, knowing that the things that have 0:51:01.719 --> 0:51:04.719 been done to you over the last six months. I 0:51:04.760 --> 0:51:06.480 think it's likely the city is going to end up 0:51:06.520 --> 0:51:10.160 terminating or be followed by a lawsuit in three years 0:51:10.160 --> 0:51:12.480 from now, you know, we'll be sitting here talking about 0:51:12.520 --> 0:51:13.879 what the results of this lawsuit are. 0:51:13.920 --> 0:51:15.400 Yeah, and then the people who cut the check or 0:51:15.440 --> 0:51:17.680 council people go, well, I wasn't here, you know. The 0:51:17.719 --> 0:51:19.840 favorite thing is, well, I was elected, then, I was 0:51:19.960 --> 0:51:22.319 on council, then I wasn't mayor then and you know, 0:51:22.360 --> 0:51:25.960 you have got cover and so it goes. But overall, though, 0:51:25.960 --> 0:51:28.320 what effect does this have on the rank and file officers? 0:51:28.360 --> 0:51:32.000 You represent the FOP Kencobra And what about Chief Henny. 0:51:32.040 --> 0:51:33.600 I mean, he's got to be looking over his shoulder too. 0:51:33.600 --> 0:51:37.280 I would think, well, yeah, I think that whatever decision 0:51:37.280 --> 0:51:39.080 they make, right, wrong or indifferent, it needs to be 0:51:39.120 --> 0:51:42.200 made the men and women of this police department. They 0:51:42.280 --> 0:51:44.640 deserve to know who's going to be in charge of 0:51:44.640 --> 0:51:47.080 this police department going into the summer. We know it's 0:51:47.080 --> 0:51:49.560 going to be a long, hot summer. We know that, 0:51:49.640 --> 0:51:52.080 you know, things like Opening Day are likely going to 0:51:52.080 --> 0:51:55.359 occur again, We're going to be seeing protests almost every 0:51:55.360 --> 0:51:58.080 weekend as the weather warms up. They have a right 0:51:58.160 --> 0:52:01.400 to know who's going to be in charge. Like Chief Henny, 0:52:01.760 --> 0:52:03.920 he should be knowing whether or not he's going to 0:52:03.960 --> 0:52:06.040 be here, he's not going to be here. Those are 0:52:06.040 --> 0:52:08.200 decisions that need to be made immediate. Like I said, 0:52:08.280 --> 0:52:11.799 what regardless of what those decisions are, it's owed to 0:52:11.840 --> 0:52:13.680 these men and women of who's going to be in 0:52:13.800 --> 0:52:14.439 charge of this place. 0:52:14.680 --> 0:52:17.080 I will say in final, final point here, they're throwing 0:52:17.160 --> 0:52:20.239 the crime problem with Terry Thigi. She mishandled everything and 0:52:20.280 --> 0:52:23.480 we had the violence, the brawl downtown, we had Fountain 0:52:23.520 --> 0:52:26.439 Square and others. But ever since she has been quote 0:52:26.480 --> 0:52:29.120 unquote terminated for the last six months. It's not like 0:52:29.160 --> 0:52:31.720 we've not had We've seen crime go down and violent 0:52:31.760 --> 0:52:35.640 crime as a result, whether it's three takeovers, mass shootings 0:52:35.640 --> 0:52:38.120 and the like. Pretty much this is what we wind 0:52:38.239 --> 0:52:40.880 up get the opening Day Stampede, if you'll call it that. 0:52:42.320 --> 0:52:44.680 And this shows me it's not a problem with the chief. 0:52:44.719 --> 0:52:47.480 It's the culture and the climate. I know for a 0:52:47.520 --> 0:52:51.920 fact that you know, the city didn't want to like 0:52:51.960 --> 0:52:54.440 the idea that Fiji was attacking judges and saying they 0:52:54.440 --> 0:52:55.839 got to do a better job, or when she's out 0:52:55.840 --> 0:52:59.840 there being Chief mema talking about how kids need to 0:52:59.840 --> 0:53:02.359 be held responsible by their parents. City didn't want any 0:53:02.400 --> 0:53:05.160 part of that, which is shocking because that's where it starts. 0:53:06.080 --> 0:53:08.440 Without a doubt, and as long as we have this 0:53:08.560 --> 0:53:10.800 lack of accountability, this is going to continue. It doesn't 0:53:10.840 --> 0:53:15.080 matter who you make the chief, it doesn't matter any 0:53:15.120 --> 0:53:17.960 of this, it doesn't matter who's in leadership. Until the 0:53:18.040 --> 0:53:21.759 court system decides to hold people accountable for their actions, 0:53:22.280 --> 0:53:24.080 we're going to see this and it's likely going to 0:53:24.160 --> 0:53:25.560 get worse before it gets better. 0:53:26.400 --> 0:53:29.200 He's Ken Cober, president of the Queen City Lodge of 0:53:29.200 --> 0:53:31.440 the FOP. Ken, thanks for jumping in this morning. I 0:53:31.480 --> 0:53:33.400 appreciate you. I know you're busy as hell and probably 0:53:33.440 --> 0:53:36.360 extremely tired about talking about this topic. This won't be 0:53:36.400 --> 0:53:38.240 the last time, brother, appreciate. 0:53:37.800 --> 0:53:39.840 It all good thanks, thanks for there to go. 0:53:39.960 --> 0:53:41.600 Yeah, let me get an update and we're running late, 0:53:41.600 --> 0:53:44.400 but good stuff there with Ken. Well pivot. Julie Bouk 0:53:44.600 --> 0:53:46.160 is here a career sure if it's Julie on the 0:53:46.239 --> 0:53:50.480 job from an HR and workplace type of environment, and 0:53:50.520 --> 0:53:53.320 she's an expert in that. What lessons you learn from 0:53:53.360 --> 0:53:55.160 what happened to Terry Thiji that you can apply in 0:53:55.200 --> 0:53:58.200 your workplace, whether it comes down to performance reviews for example. 0:53:58.280 --> 0:54:00.480 Chat with her next about it right after news on 0:54:00.520 --> 0:54:07.640 seven hundred WW helping you put the big P in profession. 0:54:09.000 --> 0:54:13.120 Here's our career, Sir Julie Balk. Yeah, very relevant discussion 0:54:13.160 --> 0:54:16.360 I just had on Ken Kober, President of the FOP. 0:54:16.600 --> 0:54:21.000 Some interesting insights into this nine page report issued by 0:54:21.040 --> 0:54:25.239 the city via Frost Brown Todd Gibbons relative to the 0:54:25.360 --> 0:54:28.799 conduct of Terry Thiji, the former police chief. I think 0:54:28.840 --> 0:54:31.440 it's safe to say former. Although they said, well she 0:54:31.440 --> 0:54:33.920 had been fired yet it hasn't been fired. It's an 0:54:33.920 --> 0:54:36.759 ongoing person on matter. We haven't fired her. We're still 0:54:36.760 --> 0:54:39.240 paying her a two hundred and three thousand dollars salary. 0:54:39.960 --> 0:54:42.799 Presumably though these are grounds for dismissal. He broke it 0:54:42.840 --> 0:54:45.879 down from police terms. But what can me and you 0:54:46.120 --> 0:54:50.759 in the regular workplace in the not public sphere? Oh 0:54:50.840 --> 0:54:52.839 maybe you have a public job. I don't know, but yeah, 0:54:52.840 --> 0:54:55.239 we all have someone to answer to. Presumably unless you 0:54:55.239 --> 0:54:58.120 own the company, that doesn't apply to you. But maybe 0:54:58.160 --> 0:54:59.680 you can learn something here for all of us. It 0:54:59.719 --> 0:55:03.239 has to do with performance reviews and how you know 0:55:03.280 --> 0:55:05.560 when you were on the radar before you're actually on 0:55:05.600 --> 0:55:07.799 the radar. On that is Julie Balki our career shure. 0:55:07.880 --> 0:55:09.200 But welcome, good morning, How are you? 0:55:10.560 --> 0:55:11.400 Good morning? 0:55:11.640 --> 0:55:13.960 Yes, as you might imagine, I have thoughts and opinions 0:55:14.000 --> 0:55:14.279 on this. 0:55:14.440 --> 0:55:18.320 I would hope you would. The city went seven years 0:55:18.800 --> 0:55:23.120 without giving Terry thg the police chief, a formal performance 0:55:23.160 --> 0:55:26.400 appraisal or review. From an HR standpoint, how does that 0:55:26.600 --> 0:55:28.840 failure complicate any attempt to terminator? 0:55:28.880 --> 0:55:29.040 Now? 0:55:30.600 --> 0:55:32.919 Absolutely, this is you know. I read the whole thing 0:55:33.160 --> 0:55:36.880 and really pulled out some of the key points, which 0:55:37.120 --> 0:55:40.239 frankly are not any different if you take it out 0:55:40.239 --> 0:55:42.600 of the police department and put it in any corporation 0:55:42.800 --> 0:55:48.399 or university. The things that they found were signs of 0:55:48.440 --> 0:55:51.879 poor leadership no matter where the leader works. And so 0:55:52.000 --> 0:55:54.840 there's a lot of commonality between what this study found 0:55:55.440 --> 0:55:58.880 and what and what is commonly known as poor leadership. 0:55:58.920 --> 0:56:00.239 I think the biggest mistake they. 0:56:00.200 --> 0:56:04.080 Made is you don't let you don't let seven years 0:56:04.120 --> 0:56:09.839 go by and have someone out there thinking they're the 0:56:09.840 --> 0:56:12.880 best leader their department has ever had, whether it's a corporation, 0:56:12.960 --> 0:56:18.200 a university, or a police department, and then blindside them 0:56:18.280 --> 0:56:23.000 with data that says or information that says quite the opposite. 0:56:23.360 --> 0:56:28.040 That is unfair to her. And it's that's one thing 0:56:28.080 --> 0:56:30.759 that has to be changed because now we're in a 0:56:30.800 --> 0:56:34.799 situation where it's costing a city so much money to 0:56:34.880 --> 0:56:37.279 go back. I mean they paid, I'm sure Frost, Brown, 0:56:37.360 --> 0:56:40.920 Tod Gibbons, you know, a party. Penny just put this 0:56:41.239 --> 0:56:44.799 to the study and it didn't have to be that way. 0:56:45.520 --> 0:56:48.279 You know, there was a culture survey that was done. 0:56:48.400 --> 0:56:51.520 It's noted in the report where there was a lot 0:56:51.600 --> 0:56:56.239 of this similar feedback that that she got was in 0:56:56.280 --> 0:56:59.040 the culture report of a few years ago and so, 0:57:00.040 --> 0:57:02.600 but then nothing was really done with it, and so 0:57:03.040 --> 0:57:05.080 it sounds like it's a little bit of a who's 0:57:05.120 --> 0:57:08.480 on first here. I'm not sure who was responding. 0:57:09.719 --> 0:57:11.640 They're making it up as they go along. I don't 0:57:11.640 --> 0:57:15.120 get that. I don't get that suspicion. I know if 0:57:15.160 --> 0:57:17.320 you had okay, there's a cultural problem. But again, if 0:57:17.320 --> 0:57:19.440 you look back at the history of chiefs in recent 0:57:19.440 --> 0:57:22.600 times in Cincinnati and Ken Cobra, the FLP said this, Look, 0:57:23.680 --> 0:57:25.440 it's your job, if you're a worker, not to like 0:57:25.440 --> 0:57:27.959 your boss. I mean, how many people more people hate 0:57:27.960 --> 0:57:30.240 their boss and love their boss in America even tolerate 0:57:30.280 --> 0:57:33.560 their boss. That's probably true, more so when it comes 0:57:33.600 --> 0:57:36.080 to union representation with the rank and file what they 0:57:36.080 --> 0:57:38.760 want versus what the administration of the chief want. And 0:57:38.800 --> 0:57:41.200 so I'm sure that if you look back historically, whether 0:57:41.240 --> 0:57:43.920 it's Ken Blackwell, whether it's Elliott Isaac, and I can 0:57:43.960 --> 0:57:46.520 go on and on, that there are people who are 0:57:46.560 --> 0:57:48.960 discontent with leadership. That just kind of goes hand in 0:57:49.000 --> 0:57:50.760 hand and the culture. It's a cultural or got a 0:57:50.760 --> 0:57:53.600 cultural problem. But if you don't act on that report 0:57:54.040 --> 0:57:57.960 in that timeframe, what winds up happening then is you 0:57:58.240 --> 0:58:00.280 would assume, if you're the leader, it's like, okay, well 0:58:00.280 --> 0:58:02.840 they's some bad things, but clearly my boss, and this 0:58:02.880 --> 0:58:05.120 would be the mayor and the city manager, they're okay 0:58:05.160 --> 0:58:06.840 with that. Then all of a sudden of the blue, 0:58:07.400 --> 0:58:09.840 you get called back from a conference in Denver and go, hey, 0:58:09.840 --> 0:58:12.680 we got to talk. We loved you yesterday. You know, 0:58:12.840 --> 0:58:15.040 yesterday we couldn't live without you. Starting today, we're going 0:58:15.120 --> 0:58:16.880 to try. That's what I get out of this. And 0:58:16.920 --> 0:58:19.360 that's just going to cost b Expires more money because 0:58:19.360 --> 0:58:20.160 they're going to settle this. 0:58:21.760 --> 0:58:28.200 Absolutely. So you should never not know how you're doing. 0:58:28.920 --> 0:58:33.600 You should never not know how you're perceived. And she 0:58:33.960 --> 0:58:35.560 is in and any police. 0:58:35.240 --> 0:58:36.720 Chief, buyer chief, you name it. 0:58:37.200 --> 0:58:41.200 They have so many different so many different contingency or 0:58:41.400 --> 0:58:44.320 so many different contingents too, that are that are. You've 0:58:44.360 --> 0:58:49.200 got the union, you've got the officers themselves. 0:58:48.640 --> 0:58:50.600 You've got the city, you've got the. 0:58:50.640 --> 0:58:54.840 Leadership of your organization, you've got the public, you've got 0:58:54.840 --> 0:58:57.520 the media, and so those. 0:58:57.320 --> 0:58:58.200 Types of jobs. 0:58:58.280 --> 0:59:02.240 You have to accept that you're never going to be 0:59:02.240 --> 0:59:06.320 beloved or just not. It's it's a if they yeah, 0:59:06.320 --> 0:59:09.480 it's you're never going to get there. But if you 0:59:09.600 --> 0:59:13.080 if people see that you've taken feedback, that you've asked 0:59:13.120 --> 0:59:18.040 for and taken feedback, and you are searching for ways 0:59:18.160 --> 0:59:22.400 to address that feedback openly and not in a I'm 0:59:22.400 --> 0:59:26.280 going to get you sort of retaliatory way, then people 0:59:26.360 --> 0:59:28.560 are so forgiving because they. 0:59:28.520 --> 0:59:30.680 Get that you're not perfect, you know. 0:59:30.920 --> 0:59:33.479 And so it's it's in a lot of ways, it's 0:59:33.520 --> 0:59:37.360 it's a very tough job. And I think there's when 0:59:37.360 --> 0:59:39.200 I read this and I'm reading, like what the key 0:59:39.240 --> 0:59:43.040 points were? You take those and you say, all right, 0:59:43.480 --> 0:59:46.480 what what's the definition of someone who's not who's not. 0:59:46.600 --> 0:59:47.320 A good leader? 0:59:47.800 --> 0:59:51.000 It's all there, All those points are there. But it 0:59:51.080 --> 0:59:53.240 should she have known that, well, you know, it was 0:59:53.320 --> 0:59:56.240 in the culture survey. But if you try to give 0:59:56.280 --> 0:59:59.600 someone feedback and they just put their you know, put 0:59:59.600 --> 1:00:03.480 their hands up like no, literally or figuratively, I'm not 1:00:03.520 --> 1:00:06.440 gonna I'm not gonna take this, I'm not gonna then 1:00:06.720 --> 1:00:09.600 you give up. And so you can see why she 1:00:09.920 --> 1:00:13.560 thought she was doing a great jobs. Lack of feedback 1:00:13.880 --> 1:00:15.800 does not mean you're doing a great job. 1:00:15.920 --> 1:00:17.960 Yeah, and she had no idea that her job was 1:00:18.000 --> 1:00:20.600 in jeopardy until the thirteenth of October, and that tells 1:00:20.600 --> 1:00:22.560 you everything you need to know about of the city 1:00:22.600 --> 1:00:25.680 manage this employer relationship, which means it's going to cost you, 1:00:25.760 --> 1:00:27.760 mister and missus taxpayer, a hell of a lot of 1:00:27.760 --> 1:00:30.080 money to make this thing go away. But we've seen 1:00:30.120 --> 1:00:33.720 this act before time and time again. The transparency is 1:00:33.840 --> 1:00:38.120 lip service down there at city Hall. The report documents 1:00:38.160 --> 1:00:42.640 a culture retaliation and the witnesses are thirty something witnesses said, 1:00:43.000 --> 1:00:46.360 I fear consequences for cooperating with you the investigators at 1:00:46.360 --> 1:00:49.040 a law firm, as an HR professional. How serious a 1:00:49.080 --> 1:00:51.920 liability you think that is, Julie, regardless of what happens 1:00:51.920 --> 1:00:54.760 to Terry Thiji, that seems to be a liability issue 1:00:54.760 --> 1:00:55.400 on the city's part. 1:00:55.400 --> 1:00:57.840 To me, absolutely yes. 1:00:58.520 --> 1:01:02.240 Anytime you've got a situation and where people are afraid 1:01:02.240 --> 1:01:04.439 of speaking up and it comes from it can come 1:01:04.480 --> 1:01:08.800 from a lot of different places. Either I'm afraid of 1:01:08.800 --> 1:01:12.120 retaliation and it could be a combination. The second is, 1:01:12.320 --> 1:01:14.440 why would I speak up. It's not going to change anyway. 1:01:14.960 --> 1:01:19.000 I spoke up once and everybody ignored me. And so 1:01:19.280 --> 1:01:20.640 when you think about it, you and I've had this 1:01:20.680 --> 1:01:25.840 conversation multiple times about top down leadership. I know, I'm 1:01:26.440 --> 1:01:30.080 I said, so, this is what this is what I 1:01:30.160 --> 1:01:35.960 do it because I said so is maybe it worked before. 1:01:36.200 --> 1:01:39.160 Maybe it did, but we are in a new generation 1:01:39.520 --> 1:01:43.360 and so they do not They do not deal well 1:01:43.400 --> 1:01:46.160 with because I said so. They want an explanation, they 1:01:46.200 --> 1:01:48.880 want to understand, they want to feel like they're on 1:01:48.920 --> 1:01:49.600 a team. 1:01:49.520 --> 1:01:51.640 And that is not unreasonable. 1:01:52.320 --> 1:01:54.240 And that's that's what I think a lot of times 1:01:54.240 --> 1:01:57.800 with these structures where it's very much a ladder, where 1:01:57.760 --> 1:02:01.360 it's very top down, you maybe you've gotten away with 1:02:01.480 --> 1:02:04.480 leading that way and being really buttoned up and quiet 1:02:04.520 --> 1:02:08.160 and do what I say, But that's not going to 1:02:08.200 --> 1:02:12.520 work moving forward in any work situation, regardless of whether you're 1:02:12.520 --> 1:02:14.160 a police department or a university. 1:02:14.840 --> 1:02:17.600 Julie balcare career suirpon this morning on seven hundred W 1:02:18.040 --> 1:02:20.960 talking about the dynamics of the Terry Fiji investigation by 1:02:21.000 --> 1:02:23.400 a law firm here locally nine pages of stuff that 1:02:24.280 --> 1:02:27.680 basically says she's not been an effective leader. And that's 1:02:27.720 --> 1:02:31.080 a pretty i think definitive legal distinction that term will 1:02:31.120 --> 1:02:33.520 not been an effective leader. That's costs or dismissal. But 1:02:34.040 --> 1:02:36.320 I contend you can find dirt on your best employee 1:02:36.360 --> 1:02:38.640 and give them cause and come up with reasons why. 1:02:38.680 --> 1:02:41.040 That's not the issue here. The question is the context 1:02:41.280 --> 1:02:43.560 of how this whole thing went down regards with the 1:02:43.640 --> 1:02:47.360 rank and file feel. If you don't have a performance 1:02:47.360 --> 1:02:49.480 review in seven years, you assume you're doing a great job, 1:02:49.720 --> 1:02:52.520 which she did, and then October thirteenth, well you're not 1:02:52.600 --> 1:02:55.240 doing a great job, and all of a sudden she's fired. 1:02:55.400 --> 1:02:59.320 And I think that is poor planning on the city's part. Furthermore, 1:02:59.400 --> 1:03:01.760 Julie Balk seven years. I think that's a big hang 1:03:01.840 --> 1:03:03.520 up for most of us listening. Go, well, I have 1:03:03.640 --> 1:03:06.880 a performance review. There's something called a PIP, a performance 1:03:06.920 --> 1:03:10.320 improvement program. Your company may call something different, organization might 1:03:10.360 --> 1:03:12.440 but once they write you a PIP, that means you're 1:03:12.440 --> 1:03:14.800 going to get fired. Basically, it's a performance improvement plan. 1:03:15.120 --> 1:03:16.640 You need to do this, this, this, this, and you 1:03:16.640 --> 1:03:18.840 can think you do all those things, but that doesn't matter. 1:03:19.520 --> 1:03:21.919 It's just a legal cya. What's going on. She didn't 1:03:21.920 --> 1:03:25.840 even have a performance improvement plan? If what usually leads 1:03:25.920 --> 1:03:29.520 up to that in a normal workplace, Julie Well. 1:03:29.280 --> 1:03:32.240 It's depending on what your job is. Maybe you're not 1:03:32.280 --> 1:03:36.919 meeting deadlines, maybe you have complaints from customers, maybe you're 1:03:36.920 --> 1:03:40.640 difficult and obstructive and the way you work, maybe you 1:03:40.680 --> 1:03:42.840 haven't kept your skills up. So there's a lot of 1:03:42.880 --> 1:03:46.240 things that lead you to that discussion. But I feel like, 1:03:46.320 --> 1:03:50.120 you know, the first time you're hearing that your job 1:03:50.320 --> 1:03:52.880 is that your your performance is less than what the 1:03:52.960 --> 1:03:55.400 organization wants it to be. If the first time you 1:03:55.520 --> 1:03:59.000 have any hint is a formal you've got ninety days 1:03:59.040 --> 1:04:02.200 to shave up or about sort of reports, than your 1:04:02.280 --> 1:04:05.400 organization's not doing their job. And the city could have 1:04:06.400 --> 1:04:12.720 so easily avoided this. As I read this report, there 1:04:12.720 --> 1:04:16.600 were multiple points when they could have easily resolved this 1:04:16.680 --> 1:04:21.120 and had what is of course a tough conversation. It says, 1:04:21.160 --> 1:04:23.080 you know, here's how your people feel about you, and 1:04:23.120 --> 1:04:26.240 maybe it's that culture survey. Maybe it goes to the 1:04:26.280 --> 1:04:29.480 city manager who then says, Okay, we're going to put 1:04:29.480 --> 1:04:33.800 together some teams help address this, and Chief, we expect 1:04:33.840 --> 1:04:36.400 you to be a part of the solution. And if 1:04:36.440 --> 1:04:38.120 all you're going to do is throw off walls and 1:04:38.160 --> 1:04:41.000 say they're the problem, it's not me, You're the problem. 1:04:41.600 --> 1:04:44.160 She's Julie Bowki. Our cur surpis so be advised you 1:04:44.160 --> 1:04:46.040 get a performance improvement plan and you better find a 1:04:46.080 --> 1:04:47.840 new job because that's a foregone crew. You don't really 1:04:47.880 --> 1:04:50.240 should come back from those. But if you're in business 1:04:50.240 --> 1:04:54.000 and you need to communicate and set expectations for your employees, 1:04:54.120 --> 1:04:56.440 to do employment reviews and let them know what's going on, 1:04:56.520 --> 1:04:59.920 certainly verbally is good, but also written is probably more important. 1:05:00.040 --> 1:05:02.320 Otherwise it's gonna cost you what's gonna cost the city. 1:05:02.360 --> 1:05:04.440 But it ain't there money. It's your money, which is 1:05:04.480 --> 1:05:07.040 also part of the problem. Julie Balki at the Balkigroup 1:05:07.120 --> 1:05:10.360 dot Com da UK e Balkigroup dot Com career coach, 1:05:10.440 --> 1:05:13.720 consultant and all around lovely person to hang out with 1:05:13.760 --> 1:05:16.200 my friend Julie Baki. We'll talk next Wednesday. Thanks again, 1:05:17.280 --> 1:05:20.120 Take care, take care. We have Reds baseball today, so 1:05:20.160 --> 1:05:21.600 we'll get the Reds good stuff in here in the 1:05:21.640 --> 1:05:25.160 second well, we'll start the outside pitch here on seven 1:05:25.200 --> 1:05:28.320 hundred WLW because we've got Reds roundup. We have Sarah 1:05:28.440 --> 1:05:30.680 Least come up eleven oh seven, setting up the inside 1:05:30.680 --> 1:05:32.760 pitch at eleven thirty six, setting up the ballgame at 1:05:32.760 --> 1:05:36.600 twelve forty Reds. Can they make it two series wins 1:05:36.680 --> 1:05:39.600 to start the twenty twenty six campaign. We'll find out. 1:05:40.240 --> 1:05:43.160 Andrew Rabbit Paul Sken's go at it from gabp here 1:05:43.200 --> 1:05:45.720 on the Home of the Red seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati. 1:05:55.120 --> 1:06:03.320 All right, we're working on borrow time here. It is 1:06:03.320 --> 1:06:06.360 a snort report on seven hundred w Alwit Sarah LEAs 1:06:06.360 --> 1:06:08.320 from The Kid Christ Show one O two seven EBN. 1:06:08.360 --> 1:06:11.720 We're sports and social media collide. We are limited time 1:06:11.760 --> 1:06:15.840 today because we have Red Spaceball coming up one half 1:06:15.880 --> 1:06:17.600 hour from Mark. 1:06:17.760 --> 1:06:19.440 Yes, twelve forty. 1:06:19.560 --> 1:06:23.920 First pitch for that one, Andrew Abbott versus Paul schemes. 1:06:23.960 --> 1:06:25.640 But can mother nature? 1:06:26.040 --> 1:06:28.680 That's the question behave today so we can get this 1:06:28.840 --> 1:06:29.200 one in. 1:06:29.400 --> 1:06:31.919 It might Yet, if you're going down for the game, yep, 1:06:31.960 --> 1:06:35.520 poncho would be recommended. You probably are gonna get wet. 1:06:36.160 --> 1:06:37.720 I don't know looking at it, gun, I wonder if 1:06:37.720 --> 1:06:39.600 they think they'll get this in. I mean it might, 1:06:39.720 --> 1:06:40.600 It may take a minute. 1:06:40.680 --> 1:06:42.720 I think they're gonna do their very best. 1:06:42.800 --> 1:06:46.400 Brown Screw has a tarp at the ready, and hopefully. 1:06:46.000 --> 1:06:47.840 Nobody gets swallowed. Up in that thing. 1:06:47.880 --> 1:06:50.120 I feel like every time a tarp comes out, somebody 1:06:50.120 --> 1:06:51.000 gets swallowed out. 1:06:51.120 --> 1:06:52.240 I'd your boy Williamson. 1:06:52.280 --> 1:06:56.400 Look last night, Welcome back to Brandon Williamson a really 1:06:56.600 --> 1:06:57.920 tough welcome. 1:06:57.520 --> 1:07:03.400 Back the entire I'm driving listening to Tommy interviewed Brandon Williamson. 1:07:03.480 --> 1:07:05.000 He's like, how do you feel? I've never felt this 1:07:05.120 --> 1:07:06.720 good in my life. I probably was not this good 1:07:06.720 --> 1:07:07.400 one I was born. 1:07:07.600 --> 1:07:09.080 Yeah, he was so confident. 1:07:09.240 --> 1:07:10.960 I'm ready to go. I'm ready to rock and rolling 1:07:11.080 --> 1:07:11.840 right from the jump. 1:07:12.080 --> 1:07:14.280 And it was very obvious that he did not pitch 1:07:14.360 --> 1:07:17.840 last season, gave up six runs, and Tita left him 1:07:17.840 --> 1:07:18.240 out there. 1:07:18.280 --> 1:07:20.560 He's like, look, dude, you gotta work through this thing. 1:07:21.160 --> 1:07:24.560 So, uh, Red's not gonna sweep the Pirates like we 1:07:24.720 --> 1:07:26.360 thought they couldn't get it done last night. 1:07:26.400 --> 1:07:28.200 Eight to three was the final. So we got the 1:07:28.280 --> 1:07:28.920 rubber today. 1:07:29.000 --> 1:07:31.280 Yeah, but you know what, two of three? I have 1:07:31.320 --> 1:07:32.680 take two or three all day long. 1:07:33.320 --> 1:07:35.919 Hopefully as long as Andrew Robik can look a lot 1:07:35.960 --> 1:07:37.000 better than Paul Skeins. 1:07:37.040 --> 1:07:38.120 I mean, Paul Skins had a. 1:07:38.080 --> 1:07:42.800 Tough opening daycked, but I'm gonna blame his defense on 1:07:42.840 --> 1:07:45.720 that one. So we'll see. We know that Paul Skins 1:07:45.800 --> 1:07:47.000 is better than what happened to him. 1:07:47.000 --> 1:07:49.480 All James is a baller. I think he's gonna come 1:07:49.480 --> 1:07:51.640 out today and just absolutely go lights out here. 1:07:51.680 --> 1:07:52.520 He's going to be rolling. 1:07:52.640 --> 1:07:56.040 So we are heavily relying that our offense can slip 1:07:56.080 --> 1:07:58.920 on past him. Maybe we'll see another South Steward bomb 1:07:58.960 --> 1:08:01.960 because he's I've been staying hot. Ellie Da La Cruz 1:08:02.000 --> 1:08:05.520 looked good last night and I don't know who knows 1:08:05.520 --> 1:08:06.200 what could happen to me? 1:08:06.280 --> 1:08:08.000 I went to the Bread's Big too, no other way, 1:08:08.080 --> 1:08:10.960 that was fantastic at the Great American Ballpark and wait, 1:08:11.040 --> 1:08:12.919 wait thanks somebody our friends at key Bank. 1:08:13.640 --> 1:08:17.280 Oh you were in a fancy suite, fancy pant to 1:08:17.360 --> 1:08:20.000 do that? Yeah, you got to sit out underneath the 1:08:20.080 --> 1:08:21.160 stack with me. 1:08:21.360 --> 1:08:25.559 I went past the seven hundred W LW suite mean 1:08:25.600 --> 1:08:27.920 you no, and they said, no, you don't belong here. 1:08:28.000 --> 1:08:31.720 Get the hell out. So I'm also come on, I'll 1:08:31.800 --> 1:08:32.479 have some beers. 1:08:33.160 --> 1:08:35.200 I was like, can I sit in the Ihearts Sweet? 1:08:36.560 --> 1:08:38.840 I'll have clients text me like, hey, I'm in the Iheartsweet. 1:08:38.880 --> 1:08:39.640 I'm like, what's it like? 1:08:39.880 --> 1:08:40.760 Right? Right, right? 1:08:41.160 --> 1:08:44.200 But Brandon Williamson just shaking it off after last night. 1:08:44.240 --> 1:08:46.200 He goes, look, I'm gonna go hug my kids and 1:08:46.240 --> 1:08:49.240 forget all about this. And if you were watching the 1:08:49.240 --> 1:08:52.320 broadcast last night, his wife and his two beautiful little 1:08:52.320 --> 1:08:55.479 girls were in attendance hoping to see dad have a 1:08:55.600 --> 1:08:56.400 much better night. 1:08:56.479 --> 1:08:58.519 But again, you just you do have to shake it off. 1:08:58.560 --> 1:09:01.080 Hopefully we'll see a much better start out of him 1:09:01.080 --> 1:09:04.160 the next time. And speaking of getting a better start, 1:09:04.240 --> 1:09:09.599 Nick Lidolo, he's getting back after that blister. Tito said 1:09:09.600 --> 1:09:12.800 that Nick's gonna be making his rehab start for the 1:09:12.920 --> 1:09:18.439 Daytona tortugas on angle seconds after the blister on the 1:09:18.520 --> 1:09:19.360 left index. 1:09:19.840 --> 1:09:23.640 What's a tortuga. It's one of them Mexican real cheese. 1:09:23.640 --> 1:09:25.000 And get it topped with sulfa. 1:09:25.320 --> 1:09:30.400 Yeah, the turtles, the turtles, all right, So rehabs start and. 1:09:30.320 --> 1:09:32.760 Then so he could get back into that rotation by 1:09:32.800 --> 1:09:35.320 the time they hit up Miami next week if all 1:09:35.400 --> 1:09:38.400 goes well. I mean, we've seen how this guy recovers 1:09:38.400 --> 1:09:41.920 from blisters and it's not really been ideal in the past. 1:09:42.040 --> 1:09:44.080 Are we at Miami That's. 1:09:43.920 --> 1:09:44.960 Where we're headed next. 1:09:45.040 --> 1:09:47.720 Yep, they've got the Rangers this weekend and then they're 1:09:47.760 --> 1:09:48.920 in Miami next week. 1:09:49.000 --> 1:09:51.720 Yeah, so you're in Miami where it's hot and humid. 1:09:51.680 --> 1:09:53.400 Just like it was kind of out in Arizona with 1:09:53.439 --> 1:09:55.000 the heat not as much humidity. 1:09:55.080 --> 1:09:58.640 You just pitching cold weather areas, Like say, him from 1:09:58.640 --> 1:10:00.960 Milwaukee go to the Yankees. 1:10:01.200 --> 1:10:04.519 We can't like base his pitching off the weather. Otherwise 1:10:04.520 --> 1:10:06.040 we're going to get nowhere with this. 1:10:06.120 --> 1:10:09.040 Guy this season humid, probably you don't want to start him, 1:10:09.120 --> 1:10:11.160 and so is he just a cold weather pitcher save 1:10:11.240 --> 1:10:12.080 in from October. 1:10:12.240 --> 1:10:14.160 That means we're not going to see him pitching Cincinnati 1:10:14.240 --> 1:10:16.439 between the months of June all the way up through 1:10:16.439 --> 1:10:18.640 the end of August, because you know how much it 1:10:18.840 --> 1:10:21.360 sucks here in Cincinnati with that humid stuff. 1:10:21.439 --> 1:10:21.880 That's rough. 1:10:22.400 --> 1:10:25.800 But yeah, April six sets him at the fifteen day 1:10:25.960 --> 1:10:30.479 io end point. All of this over the blister, Yeah, 1:10:30.479 --> 1:10:32.839 the blister. The blisters are a beat. 1:10:32.800 --> 1:10:34.839 When he's on, when he's now, when he's not blistering, 1:10:34.880 --> 1:10:39.040 he's throwing seeds. So hopefully cross our fingers, Cross our fingers. 1:10:39.080 --> 1:10:41.360 I mean, we had talked about this last week. It's like, 1:10:41.600 --> 1:10:43.560 can't we just put a glove over this thing? And 1:10:43.800 --> 1:10:44.840 say get back out there. 1:10:45.080 --> 1:10:48.320 Only one obviously, but Chase Burns had a good outing 1:10:48.360 --> 1:10:49.240 the other day, so we're going. 1:10:49.240 --> 1:10:52.120 To taste up great. Red Louder looked great. I love 1:10:52.200 --> 1:10:55.040 what we saw from Andrew Rabbit on opening day. And 1:10:55.120 --> 1:10:57.000 of course our guy Hunter Green, we're not going to 1:10:57.000 --> 1:10:59.599 see him for quite some time. So the chips, he's 1:10:59.600 --> 1:11:00.679 got the chips in the bow. 1:11:01.040 --> 1:11:03.080 The chips. Got to get the chips fixed and hopefully 1:11:03.080 --> 1:11:05.200 all star break fingers crossed and you make a run. 1:11:05.280 --> 1:11:10.439 So hope, just get it done at the start of 1:11:10.479 --> 1:11:11.080 the season. 1:11:11.439 --> 1:11:13.920 Let's get it together because you know that injuries are 1:11:13.960 --> 1:11:14.599 the name of the game. 1:11:14.920 --> 1:11:17.960 That's sale Stewart. I thought, oh man, so fun. 1:11:18.160 --> 1:11:21.360 Well when he got hit in the wrist day that 1:11:21.520 --> 1:11:24.120 was opening day, right here we go, I'm like, that's 1:11:24.120 --> 1:11:27.679 our head er man over again. Uh huh yeah, South 1:11:27.960 --> 1:11:30.960 South Bend lights out. He's been such a joy to 1:11:31.080 --> 1:11:31.880 what when. 1:11:31.720 --> 1:11:34.040 He turned a double play the other night was fantastic. 1:11:34.200 --> 1:11:36.000 He's not playing like a rookie, that's for dam I'm 1:11:36.000 --> 1:11:37.479 sure kid. 1:11:37.640 --> 1:11:39.559 Uh uh, there's your rookie of the year right there. 1:11:39.600 --> 1:11:40.240 Salth Stewart. 1:11:40.760 --> 1:11:42.920 You know, it was like, I don't think he realizes 1:11:43.120 --> 1:11:44.880 that he's an actual rookie. 1:11:44.960 --> 1:11:45.840 Yeah, it doesn't care. 1:11:46.479 --> 1:11:48.320 He does seem like he's having a lot of fun, 1:11:49.040 --> 1:11:50.280 and I'm having a lot of fun. 1:11:50.320 --> 1:11:52.600 Our guy, au Haanio swore a. 1:11:54.920 --> 1:11:57.559 Hit a nice bomb during Sunday's game when we're at 1:11:57.560 --> 1:11:57.880 that one. 1:11:57.920 --> 1:12:00.960 It went way passed us into the moon. I don't know. 1:12:01.000 --> 1:12:03.439 I guess the new home run dance is like the 1:12:03.520 --> 1:12:05.840 six to seventh thing, because that's what Suarez was doing. 1:12:06.400 --> 1:12:08.839 I'm like, okay, our celebration has gone from the Viking 1:12:08.960 --> 1:12:09.840 to the money gun. 1:12:09.920 --> 1:12:10.759 Now we're six. 1:12:10.720 --> 1:12:13.920 Seven okay, and Gino eleven strikeouts one home run. That's 1:12:13.920 --> 1:12:14.320 good enough. 1:12:14.760 --> 1:12:15.439 That's what we need. 1:12:16.120 --> 1:12:19.480 That's why we brought him back for that one year contract. 1:12:19.720 --> 1:12:21.800 Basically, I was exposed to my wife the other night 1:12:21.800 --> 1:12:22.479 and go, what does he do? 1:12:22.600 --> 1:12:22.760 Well? 1:12:22.840 --> 1:12:24.200 He strikes out a lot, Well, then why is he 1:12:24.240 --> 1:12:25.559 on the twice ball because he. 1:12:25.560 --> 1:12:26.960 Can hit mombs every now and then. 1:12:27.160 --> 1:12:30.080 Yeah, So basically what happens is he hits what if 1:12:30.120 --> 1:12:32.680 he's in the math mass on this one, All you 1:12:32.720 --> 1:12:34.200 gotta do is hit one home run. This see a 1:12:34.240 --> 1:12:36.760 three game series the rest. That's what he's doing. 1:12:36.840 --> 1:12:39.880 Yeah, welcome back, Adam done. That's all as long as 1:12:39.920 --> 1:12:40.879 he can get it done. 1:12:40.960 --> 1:12:43.240 And he is the reason, the biggest reason for that 1:12:43.320 --> 1:12:45.640 win on Sunday. So that's why they were able to 1:12:45.640 --> 1:12:47.880 win that first series. I'm putting all of that on Gino. 1:12:48.400 --> 1:12:50.320 And at the end during that uh press or, I 1:12:50.320 --> 1:12:51.880 guess he was in the interview with Jim Day and 1:12:51.920 --> 1:12:54.240 he goes, have a good night, gem Gene. 1:12:57.360 --> 1:12:59.520 I love Sorez. He's my favorite. 1:13:00.040 --> 1:13:02.240 Sarah LEAs is here. This is the outside pitch on 1:13:02.280 --> 1:13:05.400 seven hundred W. Inside pitch starts at about eleven thirty 1:13:05.560 --> 1:13:08.439 and we've got red spaceball today. It's Cincinnati and Pittsburgh 1:13:08.479 --> 1:13:11.000 fingers crossed over. The weather got some nasty stuff on 1:13:11.040 --> 1:13:13.120 the horizon here like in the one o'clock hour, but 1:13:13.400 --> 1:13:14.960 again it changes it. Since he who. 1:13:14.920 --> 1:13:17.200 Knows who knows, just give us a solid two and 1:13:17.240 --> 1:13:18.680 a half hours, we should be able to get in 1:13:18.720 --> 1:13:19.160 and get out. 1:13:19.160 --> 1:13:21.840 I mean with this pitching matchup could be really cool. 1:13:21.880 --> 1:13:22.760 We're going to the game today. 1:13:22.840 --> 1:13:23.719 I'll be there today. 1:13:23.880 --> 1:13:24.160 Yep. 1:13:24.360 --> 1:13:26.000 How long How in the moon sun. 1:13:25.960 --> 1:13:28.360 Deep hours did it take you to put on your makeup? 1:13:28.400 --> 1:13:32.280 And how she will make because you take seven hours. 1:13:31.960 --> 1:13:34.200 To trust me? Slony it's worse if I don't wear. 1:13:34.040 --> 1:13:37.840 It, but within thirty minutes of being out in this weather, 1:13:37.960 --> 1:13:41.040 it's gonna I don't even care. I don't well take 1:13:41.280 --> 1:13:42.360 hundreds of dollars in flesh. 1:13:42.479 --> 1:13:44.320 My makeup doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what I look 1:13:44.320 --> 1:13:48.280 like last. All that matters is what's trending on social media. 1:13:48.360 --> 1:13:50.920 Have you seen the Instagram pictures of Sarah? For God's sake, 1:13:51.200 --> 1:13:53.360 what's what's wrong with that? I'm just saying, it's like, dude, 1:13:53.360 --> 1:13:55.000 so it looks like you're not wearing makeup, that you're 1:13:55.040 --> 1:13:56.200 not all put together everything. 1:13:56.200 --> 1:13:58.599 I don't want to see me without it. It's way worse. 1:13:58.640 --> 1:14:01.800 It's bad with it, it's even worse. She looks more 1:14:01.840 --> 1:14:04.880 like Jim Gray Jim Day than maybe Jim Gray too. 1:14:06.400 --> 1:14:08.320 Really, I look like Jim like Jim. 1:14:08.240 --> 1:14:11.840 Day without makeup. Thanks, but there's hope for Jim Day 1:14:11.840 --> 1:14:13.519 then too, if you just put a little work in. 1:14:14.960 --> 1:14:17.040 I mean, it's there are so many comments. 1:14:17.080 --> 1:14:19.080 I'm just gonna let him go because when we're here 1:14:19.120 --> 1:14:21.839 to talk about what's trending on social media? Since Nice Sports, 1:14:22.120 --> 1:14:26.559 the Reds City Connect Jerseys. The Reds put that out 1:14:26.640 --> 1:14:30.760 yesterday on their social media. They said coming soon, so 1:14:30.800 --> 1:14:32.880 we got to see some reactions from the players. We 1:14:32.880 --> 1:14:34.200 talked about our guy Sal Stewart. 1:14:34.240 --> 1:14:38.559 He called them mad Aura, mad Aura. He walked and 1:14:38.600 --> 1:14:40.759 he said, mad Aura. 1:14:41.080 --> 1:14:43.120 Okay, how the door keep But I'm gonna let it 1:14:43.160 --> 1:14:47.360 go because it's su Stewart. They said coming soon. That's 1:14:47.400 --> 1:14:48.160 all we know. 1:14:48.400 --> 1:14:48.559 Now. 1:14:48.560 --> 1:14:50.479 There have been some leaks out there. 1:14:50.439 --> 1:14:54.120 On social media, and these New City Connect jerseys are 1:14:54.280 --> 1:14:56.000 red and they've got. 1:14:55.760 --> 1:14:58.120 Like the Sea. It's all white and it's got like 1:14:58.160 --> 1:15:00.439 the Connect look to it. I think they are fun. 1:15:00.479 --> 1:15:02.479 I hope they pair them with red pants if that 1:15:02.640 --> 1:15:05.360 is indeed the actual New City Connect jersey. 1:15:05.600 --> 1:15:08.160 Is that why you're wearing your old City Connect gear today? 1:15:08.360 --> 1:15:09.360 I just want I just. 1:15:09.360 --> 1:15:12.640 Picked out whatever, I picked out, whatever was comfortable on 1:15:12.800 --> 1:15:15.200 babysitting dogs this week. It's got hair all over it. 1:15:15.240 --> 1:15:17.000 I don't even care. I'm not I just want to 1:15:17.000 --> 1:15:18.280 go see my team win today. 1:15:18.400 --> 1:15:20.240 I will say the hat. I'm not a fan of 1:15:20.280 --> 1:15:21.040 the sea on the hat. 1:15:21.320 --> 1:15:24.120 I love the Sea. I love the Connects sea. 1:15:24.640 --> 1:15:26.960 But I love the black jersey. Looks amazing. 1:15:27.040 --> 1:15:30.200 They're so slick. We'll see those appear for the first 1:15:30.240 --> 1:15:32.840 time this season. Next Friday night when the Reds are 1:15:32.840 --> 1:15:36.360 back in town and for the first postgame fireworks show. 1:15:36.520 --> 1:15:38.559 So all right good, but yeah, a lot of the players, 1:15:38.560 --> 1:15:41.000 their reactions are saying things like, yeah, these are sick, 1:15:41.439 --> 1:15:42.879 sweet clean. 1:15:43.920 --> 1:15:46.559 I don't know, all right, I think it'll look cool. 1:15:46.560 --> 1:15:49.480 You can't go wrong with red, black and white, honestly. 1:15:49.400 --> 1:15:52.200 Yeah, we've got that. We've got a good like color 1:15:52.280 --> 1:15:54.439 scheme going on here. So all right, there you go, 1:15:55.000 --> 1:15:56.360 all right, what else we got going on? 1:15:56.400 --> 1:15:58.680 The one bright spot in last night's game was the 1:15:58.760 --> 1:16:03.240 Tito speedo. Oh what I don't know if you were 1:16:03.240 --> 1:16:05.639 watching the broadcast, but you. 1:16:05.600 --> 1:16:08.040 Can't watch the broadc I gotta I guess it's ninety 1:16:08.120 --> 1:16:10.519 nine bucks for that. That's hundred bucks for the MLB, not. 1:16:10.600 --> 1:16:11.880 If you have Altifiber. 1:16:13.439 --> 1:16:16.640 Got to show ALTI Fiber and love glad I've got it. 1:16:16.680 --> 1:16:19.280 Sucks to be you because I got to see the 1:16:19.360 --> 1:16:20.160 Tito's speed out. 1:16:21.400 --> 1:16:24.799 But yeah, last night they were talking about how Tyler 1:16:24.880 --> 1:16:27.840 Stevenson walked into Tito's office the other day wearing like 1:16:27.880 --> 1:16:30.280 a robe and and He's like, hey man, we got 1:16:30.320 --> 1:16:31.240 to talk about something. 1:16:31.240 --> 1:16:34.040 And Tito's like, yeah, what's up? And he like opened 1:16:34.120 --> 1:16:37.880 up the robe and like, Tito Oliver is underwear. 1:16:38.000 --> 1:16:38.160 But. 1:16:40.960 --> 1:16:44.600 Because you can get the socks of it, so funny. 1:16:44.439 --> 1:16:47.000 So silly. I don't understand any of it, but it's 1:16:47.040 --> 1:16:50.240 just funny, he said. He laughed. 1:16:50.520 --> 1:16:52.160 But I guess at first he was a little nervous, 1:16:52.200 --> 1:16:54.439 like Tyler was very serious and he's like, yeah, like, 1:16:54.479 --> 1:16:56.240 what's up man, I'm thinking that maybe there was. 1:16:56.240 --> 1:16:59.280 An injury, Like, oh no, here we go, because. 1:16:59.080 --> 1:17:01.479 We know that Tyler's dealt with plenty of those before. 1:17:01.560 --> 1:17:03.920 But no, it was Tito's head all over his crutch. 1:17:06.320 --> 1:17:07.880 You know, Sincey's shirts is going to try to. 1:17:07.840 --> 1:17:08.280 Get in on that. 1:17:10.040 --> 1:17:14.600 Everybody one of those outside of my chains with the 1:17:14.720 --> 1:17:19.559 jersey cute. Okay, moving on to football. Do we have 1:17:19.640 --> 1:17:21.040 time for a little quick football star? 1:17:22.240 --> 1:17:22.800 Oh gosh. 1:17:22.880 --> 1:17:27.479 So Andrew Whitworth weighing in on how the Bengals can 1:17:27.520 --> 1:17:31.160 get better. And this is no surprise, we all know this, 1:17:31.880 --> 1:17:34.080 uh so, he said, I think the biggest problem has 1:17:34.120 --> 1:17:36.760 always been not being able to bring in the kind 1:17:36.760 --> 1:17:37.799 of guys that draft. 1:17:37.840 --> 1:17:41.080 Well, there you go, that's all it is, draft better 1:17:42.640 --> 1:17:44.959 and so and Whitworth. 1:17:45.240 --> 1:17:48.120 So we remedy that by just having the same people 1:17:49.280 --> 1:17:49.719 the draft. 1:17:49.880 --> 1:17:52.439 Yes, it looks like nothing will change. 1:17:53.680 --> 1:17:55.040 Well, you know, we got to get lucky. 1:17:55.080 --> 1:17:59.400 He's undone, Andrew Andrew Whitworth said, a franchise like Cincinnati, 1:17:59.479 --> 1:18:02.639 let's be real, they're not gonna live in a trade 1:18:02.720 --> 1:18:05.600 world and they're not going to overpay guys. So guess what, 1:18:05.680 --> 1:18:07.479 You're gonna have to draft well, and when you don't, 1:18:07.520 --> 1:18:09.920 the entire team suffers. And that's why it's been a 1:18:09.920 --> 1:18:14.040 big problem. That is all according to our guy, Andrew Whitworth. 1:18:14.040 --> 1:18:16.400 And of course, the draft starts on April twenty third. 1:18:16.439 --> 1:18:18.240 The Bengals pick tenth. 1:18:18.120 --> 1:18:20.200 Overall, tenth overall. 1:18:19.880 --> 1:18:24.120 Number ten, number tenumber hoping for a good one. I 1:18:24.160 --> 1:18:26.320 don't have any reason to believe that this would be a. 1:18:26.280 --> 1:18:30.160 Successful So there's no hope. 1:18:30.160 --> 1:18:32.680 That's right, there's I mean, it's there's always next year. 1:18:33.120 --> 1:18:34.760 You're okay, we're not going to spend a little bit, 1:18:34.760 --> 1:18:36.479 so we're gonna put a lot of resources in the 1:18:36.479 --> 1:18:39.200 front office and the scouting and all the Yeah, yeah, 1:18:39.240 --> 1:18:41.479 we really need to we really need to hit hit 1:18:41.479 --> 1:18:43.679 it up now, because. 1:18:43.479 --> 1:18:45.760 Someone should tell Joe Burrow to come back from La. 1:18:45.920 --> 1:18:46.120 Yeah. 1:18:46.400 --> 1:18:47.719 Almost time to go, baby. 1:18:47.640 --> 1:18:50.040 Sara release. It's a snort report every Wednesday morning. You 1:18:50.080 --> 1:18:51.960 can find her back in her hole and one of 1:18:52.040 --> 1:18:55.080 two seven EBN tomorrow morning. Yes, and she's going to 1:18:55.080 --> 1:18:56.800 the game right now. Look for her in section. Where 1:18:56.840 --> 1:18:59.640 are you going to be a score? Can't say? 1:18:59.160 --> 1:19:02.759 Can you in a fancy suite like you to be bothered? 1:19:02.840 --> 1:19:02.920 No? 1:19:03.000 --> 1:19:05.600 I slum it with my uh my hot dog in 1:19:05.640 --> 1:19:07.000 the in the outfield. 1:19:07.560 --> 1:19:10.600 Hold wet, wet dogs today. 1:19:10.360 --> 1:19:11.439 Dogs, it's wet dog day. 1:19:11.439 --> 1:19:13.680 Are hopefully we can get this matchup in because it's 1:19:13.720 --> 1:19:15.720 gonna be a really good one watching Paul Skeins and 1:19:15.720 --> 1:19:16.200 Andrew Rabbit. 1:19:16.200 --> 1:19:17.880 All Right, Andrew Rabbit, we'll get to see him. 1:19:18.200 --> 1:19:18.439 Yep. 1:19:18.520 --> 1:19:21.760 And Paul Sken's got rocked by Detroit. I believe it 1:19:21.800 --> 1:19:22.320 was Detroit. 1:19:22.360 --> 1:19:23.799 Hey, I'm blaming his defense. 1:19:23.840 --> 1:19:27.639 This dude suck, which is era of like a seventy 1:19:27.760 --> 1:19:29.040 six sixty. 1:19:28.760 --> 1:19:32.720 Seven and a half sixty seven point five era with 1:19:32.800 --> 1:19:34.800 one strike up that continues today. 1:19:34.880 --> 1:19:36.880 Yeah, Paul Skins is like, I'm just trying to get 1:19:36.920 --> 1:19:38.880 the heck out of Pittsburgh and get my way into 1:19:38.880 --> 1:19:39.760 some pinstripes. 1:19:40.080 --> 1:19:42.479 A chance to we'll see anyway. That is a matchup. 1:19:42.520 --> 1:19:45.599 Twelve forty first pitch of course, the inside pitch. Right 1:19:45.640 --> 1:19:47.960 after this update on the home of the Red seven 1:19:48.080 --> 1:19:49.680 hundred WLWD Cincinnati,