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Speaker 3: We jump into this topic this morning before we get
Speaker 3: to all that. And for the first time since nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy two, humans are headed to the Moon and tonight
Speaker 3: could be launch night. It's the art and out the
Speaker 3: art miss one. This is the Artemiss two and it's
Speaker 3: part of a new space race at the cost of
Speaker 3: forty four billion dollars for a rocket to circumnavigate the
Speaker 3: Moon on that, of course, is Cincinnati's an. He is
Speaker 3: Cincinnati's astronomer. That is the legendary Dean Regus joined the
Speaker 3: show where we're at Astrodean dot com. Dean, welcome, Hi,
Speaker 3: you ben doing.
Speaker 4: Good, glad to be here on this momentous hopefully launch day.
Speaker 3: Yes, a lot of money, forty four billion, A lot
Speaker 3: of money for a fake mission. What do you think
Speaker 3: they're really using the money for, because I mean, we're
Speaker 3: not going to go around the moon. This is all cgi,
Speaker 3: this is all Hollywood. It's all fake, right, Dean. No
Speaker 3: one's gone to the Moon before. We're just we're taking
Speaker 3: that forty four billion. I don't forgive it to hum Israel.
Speaker 3: I know what we're doing with the money.
Speaker 4: But your speculation there, well, I'm certainly hope it's going
Speaker 4: to be more than tang, that's for sure.
Speaker 5: I hope we get a lot out of it.
Speaker 4: But I think it's you know, the thing with the
Speaker 4: space race, it is, uh, we can think a lot
Speaker 4: of our everyday things we use like the Internet and
Speaker 4: like satellites and things like that for that. So I
Speaker 4: think the money did was well spent back in the day.
Speaker 4: This mission is going to be an interesting one because,
Speaker 4: like you said, the first time we've gone to the
Speaker 4: Moon in fifty some years, and this is a This
Speaker 4: is a long delayed mission also, so this has been
Speaker 4: around for a while. If people have been following this,
Speaker 4: probably noticed that they were supposed to launch in February
Speaker 4: and March. Then they rolled the rocket back and now
Speaker 4: it's April. All signs from everything I can tell, seems
Speaker 4: like it's going to launch this week and it all
Speaker 4: seems good.
Speaker 5: So fingers are crossed for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been delayed and delayed and delayed, and tonight
Speaker 3: looks like tonight. I was looking at the forecast and
Speaker 3: it looks like a go right now. Of course, anything
Speaker 3: could scrub the mission, but who knows that they may
Speaker 3: be scrubbing it as we speak right now. I don't know.
Speaker 3: But it's more than a fifty years since Apollo seventeen
Speaker 3: you mentioned. Now with fifty two years, well, why is
Speaker 3: it taking this long to get humans back to the Moon.
Speaker 3: It's not even on the moon. But this is in
Speaker 3: the Moon's neighborhood.
Speaker 4: Well, the way I look at this is, you know,
Speaker 4: the Apollo missions that sent Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin too,
Speaker 4: the Search the Moon and Apollo eight before that that
Speaker 4: went around the Moon. This is all you know, pretty
Speaker 4: much caused by the space race with the Russians and
Speaker 4: the Soviet Union, and it was you know, who's going
Speaker 4: to get their first supremacy of the of space and
Speaker 4: all that, So there's this great motivation once that was done.
Speaker 4: The way I take it is that the Apollo missions
Speaker 4: were like, well, there's not much we can do with
Speaker 4: the Moon and it doesn't have any real strategic value.
Speaker 4: It's pretty darn hard to get to and so they
Speaker 4: kind of put.
Speaker 5: The mission there.
Speaker 4: Because they said, all right, mission accomplished.
Speaker 5: We made it to the Moon.
Speaker 4: So I think it was you know, what is the
Speaker 4: motivation to go back? That's the big question and the
Speaker 4: that's the it's still kind of an open question. I
Speaker 4: think NASA is debating this, and I do have to
Speaker 4: say they could be better at their pr with this,
Speaker 4: and actually what the mission is, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Don't to me is what what are they doing? And
Speaker 3: they're not even landing on the Moon. There's going to
Speaker 3: fly Well, we've done that several times fifty something years ago.
Speaker 3: Why are we doing this again. What's the point of it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, the trajectory of this mission, it's really interesting. So
Speaker 4: they're going to launch, fly around the Earth a few
Speaker 4: times just to make sure everything's working, test out the systems,
Speaker 4: then kick in the afterburners and go towards the Moon
Speaker 4: and I'll take them about four days to get to
Speaker 4: the Moon. Then they're gonna fly a few thousand miles
Speaker 4: above the surface of the Moon and then head back.
Speaker 4: So the whole thing's gonna.
Speaker 5: Last about ten days.
Speaker 4: And it's a little different than the Apollo eight mission
Speaker 4: that's circled around the Moon a few times. This one
Speaker 4: is just testing out can we get them out there
Speaker 4: and back and then eventually a landing. And then the
Speaker 4: landing is going to be in a few years if
Speaker 4: everything goes well. But there's a lot of people in
Speaker 4: the industry and astronomers that are a little you know,
Speaker 4: we're all a little nervous about this because, like you said,
Speaker 4: it is a great expense of money, and so what
Speaker 4: I'm hoping, and I'm a big NASA fan in general,
Speaker 4: but what I'm hoping is that this is the step,
Speaker 4: the logical step to send us to Mars, because I
Speaker 4: think Mars is really the ultimate goal here. Going back
Speaker 4: to the Moon is less a priority in my in
Speaker 4: my mind, so this is.
Speaker 3: A test drive maybe from Mars. But yeah, if we
Speaker 3: did this fifty two years ago with nineteen sixty nine technology,
Speaker 3: it should be much easier to do it in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty six and much safer, shouldn't it.
Speaker 4: It should? And that's one of the other things is
Speaker 4: that I think it also brings to light a little
Speaker 4: bit of the Apollo mission's priority. You know, they were
Speaker 4: trying to do this fast, and I think there was
Speaker 4: a lot of close calls.
Speaker 5: I mean, we know this from the Apollo.
Speaker 4: Thirteam mission that went bad on the way there. I
Speaker 4: think that looking back on the Apollo missions, we are
Speaker 4: darn lucky that nothing bad happened, because it was a
Speaker 4: difficult thing to do, and I think there was some
Speaker 4: you know, there was definitely sped up.
Speaker 5: Quite a bit this one. I think it's almost like.
Speaker 4: They're being extra extra, extra cautious kind of thing because
Speaker 4: they know what's at stake and any little mess up
Speaker 4: could be you know, damaging not only to the crew,
Speaker 4: not only but the future missions as well.
Speaker 5: So there is a lot.
Speaker 4: Of nervous engineers and astronomers right now watching this because
Speaker 4: we know that what happens after today is gonna kind
Speaker 4: of set things forward.
Speaker 3: Well, this is the Artemis too, and of course we
Speaker 3: all remember what happened to Artemis one. It struck an
Speaker 3: iceberg in the North Atlantic and sank. It's very sad.
Speaker 3: The heat shield on the Orion was damaged on their
Speaker 3: first aircraft, and NASA change the re entry path rather
Speaker 3: than replace it. Is that pretty much one of the
Speaker 3: most risky things that is gonna maybe make this thing
Speaker 3: go sideways?
Speaker 4: Wait, aren't you talking about Titanic?
Speaker 3: I thought it had a nice didn't because and then
Speaker 3: then likely and then all was like fift I don't know,
Speaker 3: was it sixty years they made Leoda Capri made a
Speaker 3: movie upon it. Yeah, thats right, he said, and he's
Speaker 3: going down and it's very sad story. But the Artemis
Speaker 3: one struck an iceberg? What all, right? Have we learned
Speaker 3: lessons about icebergs and heat shields with Artemist two?
Speaker 4: I think so? And then then of course it hit.
Speaker 5: The tower in New Jersey and burst in the place.
Speaker 5: That's another way.
Speaker 3: Oh the humanity, Oh the humanity.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, boy, we're really throwing back here, Sloan. Anyway, now,
Speaker 4: let's uh so what happened with Artemis one is I
Speaker 4: was the unmanned mission that sent and I think people
Speaker 4: remember that one because it had the little mannequins that
Speaker 4: were in the seats, which I was like, all right, great, yeah,
Speaker 4: Manaquin sure, but it did have this amazing view. So
Speaker 4: it gave that first view of the Moon with the
Speaker 4: Earth in the distance, so it's behind the Moon, and
Speaker 4: this is the part of the Moon that you cannot
Speaker 4: see from Earth to the.
Speaker 5: Far side of the Moon.
Speaker 4: And it did give that.
Speaker 5: Really dramatic view.
Speaker 4: And and so that's what I'm anticipating here with this
Speaker 4: cruise mission. I'm trying to figure out, you know, why
Speaker 4: they want to launch now, because the other thing is,
Speaker 4: you know, it's the same time of month. That's what
Speaker 4: they were doing in February and March, early February, early March,
Speaker 4: and now early April. And it's the idea is that
Speaker 4: they want to be able to see some of the
Speaker 4: far side of the Moon lit up because right now
Speaker 4: we've got a full moon here tonight, and that means
Speaker 4: the far side is all dark.
Speaker 5: But by the time they get there, they're going to
Speaker 5: get some views.
Speaker 4: And I already did some simulations myself of what they're
Speaker 4: I'm anticipating.
Speaker 5: If they do launch today, what they're going to get
Speaker 5: is a.
Speaker 4: Crescent moon with a crescent Earth in the background.
Speaker 5: That's going to be pretty sweet looking.
Speaker 4: So if they launch later in the week, then you're
Speaker 4: gonna have a fuller Moon and.
Speaker 5: A fuller Earth. But so that's it.
Speaker 4: All depends on when they launch. And it's a far
Speaker 4: trip too. The Moon is a little bit farther away
Speaker 4: from us than it was for the Apollo eight mission, so.
Speaker 5: It's a little bit farther of a trip too, well
Speaker 5: quite a bit.
Speaker 4: I was looking at the when they've launched Apollo eight,
Speaker 4: the moon was like almost as close as it ever get.
Speaker 4: So that makes it a shorter trip, about two hundred
Speaker 4: twenty thousand miles the moon. Today it looks like the
Speaker 4: moon's about two hundred and forty thousand miles and getting
Speaker 4: farther away from us, so it'll be a little bit
Speaker 4: farther a trip, and it will take a little bit
Speaker 4: longer too.
Speaker 3: Okay, and eventually the moon will the moon just fades away?
Speaker 3: Does it go to another We won't be around for this,
Speaker 3: of course, but that's interesting. Dean Regas, Yeah, the moon.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Moon is moving away from them at a
Speaker 4: whopping one inch per year. So yeah, I know it's
Speaker 4: getting out.
Speaker 3: Of here, slipping away from a Stean Regas, Cincinnati's astronomer
Speaker 3: Looking Up podcast speaker noted author Tonight alleged, looks like
Speaker 3: the window is good for launch for Artemis two, which
Speaker 3: will circle the Moon a few times and then come
Speaker 3: back to Earth. It's going to take about ten days
Speaker 3: to do this. I'm looking at the crew, Victor Glover,
Speaker 3: Christina Cook, Jeremy Hanson, all of those are historic. First
Speaker 3: on this crew. I look, this is when it looks
Speaker 3: like a movie cast. So looks say these folks were
Speaker 3: cast from Hollywood, because it's a diverse representation of American
Speaker 3: culture for sure. But I would think too that it's
Speaker 3: Trump's NASA that this in some aspects there's got to
Speaker 3: be some DEI criticism there. So is this a scientific
Speaker 3: mission or is it a pr move?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 4: I think you know, it's definitely scientific mission. And these
Speaker 4: four astronauts have earned their stripes, that's for sure. These
Speaker 4: are all seasoned veteran astronauts. All of them have flown
Speaker 4: before the three Americans vary.
Speaker 5: I mean, have you chiefs.
Speaker 4: I mean, astronauts in general have resumes that put all
Speaker 4: of us to shame. If I stand next to an astronaut,
Speaker 4: I'm just like, what have I done with my life?
Speaker 4: I've done nothing compared to them.
Speaker 5: So these guys and.
Speaker 4: Christina and all the other people on this mission are
Speaker 4: like the best of the best. And I got a
Speaker 4: feel for them because they've been in this limbo state.
Speaker 4: I mean, they've been training for this for years and
Speaker 4: years and years, and then they go into core team
Speaker 4: and so they can get ready to launch in February,
Speaker 4: and then they got to get out and then I
Speaker 4: mean they this is yeah. They they have to be
Speaker 4: good with the media and they have to be really patient.
Speaker 4: And my feeling is when I'm around astronauts, are they
Speaker 4: are better than us? Sloaney?
Speaker 5: They are?
Speaker 3: Well, there's no question. I Mean you look at the
Speaker 3: history when they started as test pilots, the chucky Haegers
Speaker 3: in the world, for example, John Glenn's and these were
Speaker 3: these guys that eat nails, and now we have expanded
Speaker 3: that to more modern times, obviously with technology. But I
Speaker 3: agree with you, the resumes and the pedigree of our
Speaker 3: astronauts of our space program are second to none, and
Speaker 3: you have to have full confidence that the people that
Speaker 3: are executing the mission are qualified, and they're beyond qualified
Speaker 3: for sure. Also, these astronauts before are going to be
Speaker 3: living quarters that are size of about two minivans for
Speaker 3: about ten days. Which BUCkies? Do you think they'll stop
Speaker 3: out on the way.
Speaker 4: That's one of the things why I don't think I
Speaker 4: could be an abstronauts claustropho via this. I mean, this isn't.
Speaker 5: Like Star Trek lying on the enterprise.
Speaker 4: This is uh, this is one of the things that
Speaker 4: you know when you go to NASA and you see
Speaker 4: like the mock ups of these things. I look at these,
Speaker 4: I'm like, how would I survive ten days in this
Speaker 4: little tin can? I mean, it's it's remarkable that they
Speaker 4: do this, and you know, I, you know, I go
Speaker 4: back and forth as what if they you know, unlikely,
Speaker 4: what if they would ask if I.
Speaker 5: Would want to go up? And you know, would I
Speaker 5: do it?
Speaker 4: Of course I would, but I would be it would
Speaker 4: not be fun. It would not be pretty, that's for sure.
Speaker 4: I kind of get the impression that all of the rockets.
Speaker 5: That went to the Moon, with those you know, with
Speaker 5: the Apollo missions, that by the time.
Speaker 4: They got back, the inside of that thing was disgusting.
Speaker 4: I mean it had to be gross with all that stuff,
Speaker 4: no doubt about it. They never talk about it, but
Speaker 4: don't to be real, but it's it's one of those
Speaker 4: things that this is something that is you know, is memorable.
Speaker 4: This is something that is going to be very interesting
Speaker 4: going forward. And I think that, uh, the view that
Speaker 4: they're going.
Speaker 5: To get is going to be unreal.
Speaker 4: And hopefully we'll all be along with them for the ride.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's probably true. There you've got four people in
Speaker 3: two minivans for ten days. It's probably going to look
Speaker 3: like a homeless shelter. You think that, well, they lose
Speaker 3: their security deposit, that that clearly they they're that's not
Speaker 3: going to come back to them.
Speaker 5: No, that's it.
Speaker 4: They're Yeah, they're gonna have to hose the inside of
Speaker 4: that thing out. It's gonna be Yeah, it's going to be.
Speaker 4: I mean, the whole thing of you know, the space food,
Speaker 4: the diet is very interesting. The hygiene is very interesting.
Speaker 4: It's this untold story of you know, maybe when I
Speaker 4: was a kid, I wanted to be an astronaut, and
Speaker 4: then I think maybe I went to NASA.
Speaker 5: And I looked at the inside. I was like, m.
Speaker 3: Y days, how did know you? Probably I'd suck it up.
Speaker 3: I mean, you're going to the Moon for crying out loud.
Speaker 4: That's true, But I do you know? I joke at myself,
Speaker 4: I say, you know, I don't think I have the
Speaker 4: right stuff for this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't either. I'd be the dummy party. Who's
Speaker 3: this button?
Speaker 5: Dude?
Speaker 6: Er?
Speaker 3: They don't want me anywhere near this thing. He is
Speaker 3: Dean Regaez see Cincinnati's astronomer and the Artemis two launches
Speaker 3: skept for tonight. Window looks open from this point, but
Speaker 3: who knows why or if they'll scrub the mission. It's
Speaker 3: been delayed enough as it is. Other part of this thing, too,
Speaker 3: in all seriousness, is the space X starship NASA needs
Speaker 3: after the actual moon landing. So we're not landing on
Speaker 3: the Moon today, but that'll have to come a little
Speaker 3: later there, and that's fine, scheduled by two years. How
Speaker 3: does that affect the twenty twenty eight target, and if so,
Speaker 3: then should we not be delaying this mission?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what's coming up next is so if everything
Speaker 4: goes well with this mission, then we have to prepare
Speaker 4: for the actual landing on the surface, and that part
Speaker 4: is also maybe overly complicated. There's a lot of skepticism
Speaker 4: about this landing mission.
Speaker 5: This one.
Speaker 4: The Artemist two is like, okay, yeah, we're testing this
Speaker 4: stuff out. But the Artemist three is going to test
Speaker 4: out a possible kind of rendezvous point for robotic things.
Speaker 4: So then the Artemis formation will rendezvous with that and
Speaker 4: then go down to the surface. So it's it's been
Speaker 4: as a modified plan and this is where you know,
Speaker 4: I wish that I could say NASA is like really
Speaker 4: planning this well. But there's some there's some criticism out
Speaker 4: there because of there's this uncertainty which is the rocket
Speaker 4: that it's going to rendezvous with.
Speaker 5: They're testing out two different.
Speaker 4: Ones and so they don't even know which one it's
Speaker 4: going to be, and a lot of people are saying, well,
Speaker 4: why aren't we just going and landing straight on the Moon?
Speaker 4: What do we need to overcomplicate things? And I think rightly,
Speaker 4: so I think there's some things going on with us
Speaker 4: that are very uncertain, and so people in the astronomy
Speaker 4: community are really uneasy about what's going on or what
Speaker 4: you know, what.
Speaker 5: The plan is. I think that's what it is. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: And then the latest, the latest.
Speaker 4: Is, uh, you know, the head of NASA comes out
Speaker 4: and say, oh, we're going to scrap this one mission,
Speaker 4: which was the Lunar orbitter. There was going to be
Speaker 4: either going to try to build a space station around
Speaker 4: the Moon and instead we're going to build a lunar base.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, wait, let's let's do this one thing first.
Speaker 4: How about that.
Speaker 5: Let me let's see this is going to work.
Speaker 4: It's like, hey, we haven't done this one thing, so
Speaker 4: let's do something even better.
Speaker 3: But if it goes perfectly, that that unlocks future missions,
Speaker 3: right and maybe at some point a trip to Mars,
Speaker 3: which in your estimation be how many years away that
Speaker 3: oh boy, geez, with.
Speaker 4: How long it's taken to go back to the Moon,
Speaker 4: I don't know. There the optimist are saying the twenty
Speaker 4: thirties with the Mars mission. I'm more realistic and I'm
Speaker 4: thinking twenty forties, and even.
Speaker 5: That might be optimistic.
Speaker 4: Because it's just that's the thing is. So if for
Speaker 4: testing out systems to go Tomors the Moon is a
Speaker 4: four day journey out there, Mars is a seven month journey,
Speaker 4: and so that's the big, big leap, and we do
Speaker 4: have to practice, There's no doubt about it, because going
Speaker 4: to Mars is going to be like nothing else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're gonna need a capsule much much bigger
Speaker 3: than your mom's minivan, that's for sure, Dean Regas. The
Speaker 3: launch window opens at six twenty four tonight from Kennedy
Speaker 3: Space Center and the Launch Complex. Thirty nine Bravo would
Speaker 3: be your launch if you're keeping score at home, Thirty
Speaker 3: nine Bravo is the launchpad there. NASA's got wall to
Speaker 3: wall covers. Dean is talking about this as website Astrodean
Speaker 3: dot com, the Looking Up podcasts, and Cincinnati's astronomer Dean Rigas,
Speaker 3: thanks for jumping on this morning.
Speaker 5: Hey, my pleasure and everybody keep looking up. Dean.
Speaker 3: Thanks again, brother. We've got news on the way in
Speaker 3: just minutes, and we switched from that to more serious stuff.
Speaker 3: The report on Fiji drops. We'll get into that in
Speaker 3: just minutes. And Ken Cobra at ten oh six. This
Speaker 3: morning's to drop some bombs here on seven hundred WLW
Speaker 3: Floni here, seven WLW rolling on. We got baseball today.
Speaker 3: I think fingers crossed weatherwise, fingers crossed. I think we
Speaker 3: get it in. I think they have to get it
Speaker 3: and we don't want to be playing them here in
Speaker 3: August or something like that. That's insane. Coming up at
Speaker 3: ten oh six, Ken Colobra President, the FOP frequent guest
Speaker 3: I know in the station. But yesterday the report came
Speaker 3: out on Terry Fiji. This is the report that took Damn
Speaker 3: near six months, six months and thirty two witnesses and
Speaker 3: a verdict that could end her career. And I read
Speaker 3: through the report, not as an attorney. I'm not an
Speaker 3: attorney by any stretch of the imagination, but there's certainly
Speaker 3: some interesting stuff in there. And I think that the
Speaker 3: takeaway is, listen, it takes six months to do a report.
Speaker 3: You hire a very prominent local law firm, Frost Brown Todd,
Speaker 3: and you know reports come out in government arts, especially
Speaker 3: at the backing, whether it's a city, whether it's the state,
Speaker 3: county or federally right, stuff comes out. It's like three
Speaker 3: thousand pages long you know, sometimes they release these big
Speaker 3: reports that come out and go, oh my god, look
Speaker 3: at the size of this. This report is unbelievable, and
Speaker 3: it's thousands of pages because it took six months, and
Speaker 3: you're gonna get your money's worth. This thing was nine
Speaker 3: pages long. Now, you know again, I think you can
Speaker 3: be succinct, and typically these things aren't lawyers. If you've
Speaker 3: ever read a draft of an amendment or some sort
Speaker 3: of bill or legislation, it's the if you gave that
Speaker 3: as a kid to your English teacher, you get an
Speaker 3: F because it'd be a run on, run on sentence
Speaker 3: that goes forever. You forget what the scope of the
Speaker 3: question was the first place you read this thing and go,
Speaker 3: I don't even know what they're talking about because lawyers
Speaker 3: wrote it. Apparently grammar and the rules of the English
Speaker 3: language don't apply to attorneys. They use the big words.
Speaker 3: But man, there's a lot of comments and run on
Speaker 3: sentences there. I'm gonna give you an F on that one.
Speaker 3: Why isn't that the case here? And I you know again,
Speaker 3: that is just a very snap shot look at what
Speaker 3: we're talking about here, because there's some serious allegations in there.
Speaker 3: For sure, but man, six months, nine pages, I don't
Speaker 3: know about that. I don't know about that. And some
Speaker 3: of the things that were in this concluded she has
Speaker 3: not been an effective leader, that she's old school, she's rigid,
Speaker 3: she's authoritarian. Her communication style lacked a transparency and distrust
Speaker 3: or created a transparency distrust arount CPD. The command staff
Speaker 3: often learned news from media and not chain of command.
Speaker 3: They felt there's a strong culture retaliation within CPD. That
Speaker 3: she blocked City Hall, including the city Manager and assistant
Speaker 3: city Manager, from communicating with the command staff. That she
Speaker 3: failed to fully implement the Summer Safety Plan while publicly
Speaker 3: agreeing to it, didn't talk to city Hall when overtime's
Speaker 3: loss were unfilled. But as I recall, part of this too,
Speaker 3: when the implementation of that summer safety plan was the
Speaker 3: fact that it had to do with overtime hours. Terry
Speaker 3: Thigi thought during your tenure that officers were burned out.
Speaker 3: And I've talked to a lot of cops who have retired.
Speaker 3: Some of them said, well, I'm not a big fan
Speaker 3: of Terry Thigi. And that's fair because how many people
Speaker 3: truly love their employer or their boss. Not many, not many,
Speaker 3: So that makes sense in that regard, But when it
Speaker 3: comes to the chain of command and people not knowing
Speaker 3: and not implementing the summer safety plan, well, that's because
Speaker 3: officers are reporting and this is the rank and file
Speaker 3: po's are saying, Look, I'm burned out, I appreciate the overtime,
Speaker 3: the money's great, and there's gonna be a number of people.
Speaker 3: I'll take all the hours I can get. There's people
Speaker 3: like that. But in today's climate, we know that quality
Speaker 3: of life is a big issue, especially if you're younger,
Speaker 3: and this would be police officers. Younger people cherish time off.
Speaker 3: They don't look at this, I'm gonna try and get
Speaker 3: all the money i can get and then retire in
Speaker 3: a few years. Now they're going, I'm going to enjoy
Speaker 3: it along the way. So quality of life is a
Speaker 3: huge issue, and for your mental health as well. There's
Speaker 3: no more stressful job than being a cop in the
Speaker 3: city of Cincinnati, particularly district run. And so I think,
Speaker 3: not knowing the inter workings of this thing, that that's
Speaker 3: one point I would push back on out of probably many,
Speaker 3: but that well, the officers the forced overtime, even at
Speaker 3: double time, Okay, but does that get your time with
Speaker 3: your families. They get your time off to enjoy how
Speaker 3: hard you work, because you do need that balance. I
Speaker 3: think that's what she was going at with the summer
Speaker 3: safety plan, and the city said no, no, no, she
Speaker 3: didn't take it seriously. I don't know this all haption
Speaker 3: happened in and around and during the election, and one
Speaker 3: of the big issues, of course is that and have
Speaker 3: to have pureval. The administration says that's not the reason
Speaker 3: why she got fired or she was relieved of her job.
Speaker 3: It's because of all these other things. But I'm looking
Speaker 3: through this going I can be honest with you, I'm
Speaker 3: leaning towards Steven m he's the attorney for Terry Fiji
Speaker 3: and calling this thing a hatchet job. I agree in
Speaker 3: many aspects of this thing, and looking through the report,
Speaker 3: going all right, so we fired her. But I guess
Speaker 3: the question is, if she was doing all these things poorly,
Speaker 3: why wouldn't you have given her a performance review? Why
Speaker 3: wouldn't you given her a notice? I will ask Julie
Speaker 3: Bouki about this too. At ten thirty five. Oddly enough,
Speaker 3: today Kurus suirpsent at ten thirty and we're going to
Speaker 3: talk I'm going to talk to her about this after
Speaker 3: ken Kober's on the show, and how this applies to
Speaker 3: me and you in the workplace. Like we know, you
Speaker 3: can get fired for any reason. Now, if your employee
Speaker 3: wants to fire you, they'll come up with a cause.
Speaker 3: They'll find four cause. As it is, right, that's easy
Speaker 3: to do, it's very easy to do. But if you're
Speaker 3: not getting annual reviews and she hadn't had a review
Speaker 3: in seven years as chief, then how do you know
Speaker 3: if you're doing a good job? How do you know
Speaker 3: what the expectations are? That's poor communication and a lack
Speaker 3: of transparency in my opinion, from the same administration that
Speaker 3: is holding her to a different standard. Now, she said
Speaker 3: she think she was the best chief the Sins of
Speaker 3: the City has ever had. Probably probably not. But again
Speaker 3: it's is she seen thought she was doing a great job?
Speaker 3: Why because she's getting no feedback? Isn't that a breakdown
Speaker 3: the most basic break down of with the problem with
Speaker 3: this report And I'm sure there's other ones at ken
Speaker 3: kobral Outline at ten oh six this morning, But if
Speaker 3: I'm doing a bad job, shouldn't you be put on notice?
Speaker 3: I mean, you may run a company. You may work
Speaker 3: for someone and you kind of know if you're on
Speaker 3: the radar, because they'll call you in and say, hey,
Speaker 3: we got a problem with this, we got a problem
Speaker 3: with that. We got all right, so I'm kind of
Speaker 3: being put on notice, or hey, we're going to sit
Speaker 3: down and give you a what do they call a
Speaker 3: work improvement plan or whatever the hell it is and improved.
Speaker 3: Once they put you on the improvement plan, you're going
Speaker 3: to get fired. Hey, we're got to come up with
Speaker 3: an improvement plan for you. Here's the terms of your
Speaker 3: improvement plan. That's how you can get better at your job.
Speaker 3: And if you do everything, you're still going to get
Speaker 3: fired when you get that improvement. Basically, that's noticed that
Speaker 3: say hey, we don't like you that much anymore. We
Speaker 3: don't think you're doing a good job. Here's your improvement plan.
Speaker 3: And even if you hit all the marks, typically you
Speaker 3: wind up losing your job anyway. But that was never
Speaker 3: done with Terry Thiji, and even in the report itself,
Speaker 3: it kind of lose ethic. Well, she's never had, you know,
Speaker 3: never had a review or anything, and everything's been fine,
Speaker 3: and everything in her thirty five years has been good.
Speaker 3: As well. So I don't know what to make of
Speaker 3: this thing. So you know, you look at that, and
Speaker 3: of course one is going to come to the conclusion
Speaker 3: this is entirely political, much like what we just had
Speaker 3: happened yesterday with the dismissal of the charges against Alec Tchavinsky.
Speaker 3: Here's a guy that he's been fearing for retribution from
Speaker 3: the courts for a while. It was the idea was that, well, no,
Speaker 3: this is not a administrative or political move to go after
Speaker 3: the white guy, so in an issue of fairness with
Speaker 3: the people of color who were in that group. But
Speaker 3: we now, we've learned ever since, and this was months
Speaker 3: and months ago, that he was truly the victim here,
Speaker 3: that he was responding to the assaults and the horrible
Speaker 3: verbal and racist attacks against him, against the white guy.
Speaker 3: And I'm sorry, when when you have a case like
Speaker 3: Alea Tchairvinsky and Terry the they're kind of cover from
Speaker 3: the same cloth. It's like we're just looking for a
Speaker 3: scapegoat here, we're looking for we want to make everything
Speaker 3: appear fair when it's really not. I mean, you can
Speaker 3: fight for fairness and equity, inclusion, all those things, wonderful
Speaker 3: things because I truly believe that you know who you are,
Speaker 3: who you're born, what color you're born, or with gender,
Speaker 3: whatever it might be. As no, doesn't ensure the quality
Speaker 3: of the individual, the quality of the character. And doctor
Speaker 3: King was right about that, you know, judge people in
Speaker 3: their merits. For God's sakes, aren't we over the whole
Speaker 3: skin color, gender identity nonsense. But some of the same
Speaker 3: people fighting for that will use that as a stone
Speaker 3: to throw against people who may push back on them.
Speaker 3: And I don't think that's going to change anytime soon.
Speaker 3: But here's Tchavinsky. The evidence indicates that he was a victim,
Speaker 3: yet we're going to prosecute him anyway. How'd that end?
Speaker 3: It end with a dismissal? So what did we learn
Speaker 3: from this whole thing? The fact that it's pretty clear
Speaker 3: with Tchavinsky, with Terry Thiji, that there's a lot of
Speaker 3: political motivation in here and a lot of underhand politics
Speaker 3: that are involved in the decision making in which they
Speaker 3: say is transparent and crystal clear. And meanwhile we had
Speaker 3: these two things I see better than I hear. Let's
Speaker 3: put it that way. Cobra's on at ten oh six
Speaker 3: this morning on the show on seven hundred w welw
Speaker 3: and then Bauki to talk about how this what this
Speaker 3: means for me and you in the workplace, how to
Speaker 3: cover your You know what we are in the spring season.
Speaker 3: I can tell because we have day baseball today, the
Speaker 3: first day game of the year. Got the Pirates and
Speaker 3: Paul Skeens and the Reds and Ander Rabbit and that's
Speaker 3: a twelve forty start. Weather pending here on the Home
Speaker 3: of the Red seven hundred ww. Seems like they're gonna
Speaker 3: it might be the laid start this morning, but you know,
Speaker 3: the rain is guy, it's gonna be heavy for a minute,
Speaker 3: but it might be hit or miss. So we'll see.
Speaker 3: We'll see how works out. It's spring, you know, and
Speaker 3: you know we'll see goods spring. I don't know about you,
Speaker 3: but I'm getting ants at our house that I've never
Speaker 3: seen before. And I guess this year because of the
Speaker 3: winter that we had that ant invasions as common as
Speaker 3: they are, they're super common, but this time of year,
Speaker 3: especially with the winter we had, apparently it's a bad
Speaker 3: ants season. You may have discovered ants in your home,
Speaker 3: and not the au n t ants, the a nts
Speaker 3: little pests because they look for two things. I look
Speaker 3: for moisture and they look for food. And once it's
Speaker 3: started warms up, the colonies wake up. They expand they scout.
Speaker 3: They're trying to claim more territory. And shower last night
Speaker 3: and my wife has is bougie old school bar soap
Speaker 3: and the old school soap dish, and I think it's
Speaker 3: got olive oil something in it anyway, and I look,
Speaker 3: I'm like, what what is on that thing? I pick
Speaker 3: it up and there's ants all over the bar of soap,
Speaker 3: Like what? Well? That was an easy fix with the
Speaker 3: water on and all that, but I was like, why
Speaker 3: would ants want to eat soap? Stupid things had a
Speaker 3: piece of I don't know, and wrapped in saran wrap
Speaker 3: was banana bread or something like that, and the little
Speaker 3: piece of it and that had the ants and in
Speaker 3: their ants were nowhere else and there was a little
Speaker 3: tiny microscopic ants too, by the way, And so the
Speaker 3: best thing you can do being you know, mister diy
Speaker 3: here on the station. The best product I think I
Speaker 3: have found that I would you that I use it
Speaker 3: somewhere else to is called Tarot liquid ant bait traps.
Speaker 3: Those are pretty good. And what happens is you got
Speaker 3: to be patient for these things. Takes about a week
Speaker 3: or two for everything to work, because the ants will
Speaker 3: carry the bait back to the queen and the colony.
Speaker 3: It'll kill the colony. And yeah, you know, you can
Speaker 3: kill the the trail of ants inside the house all
Speaker 3: you want, but you want them to work for you.
Speaker 3: So think of it this way, is that they are
Speaker 3: poisoning themselves, some stupid ants. You know, you can spray
Speaker 3: all the raid you want around it, They're still going
Speaker 3: to come back at some point. And I know some
Speaker 3: people will use like I think it's peppermint oil and
Speaker 3: white vinegar and stuff like that, but that's all temporary.
Speaker 3: And certainly we love to use natural products when you can,
Speaker 3: but if you have to find anything better than teror
Speaker 3: liquid ant, bate. And then around the perimeter, which is
Speaker 3: outside your house, especially areas along liqu the garage door
Speaker 3: is entry points, foundation doors, things like that. You spray
Speaker 3: a barrier around that of some sort of liquid insecticide
Speaker 3: like an Ortho home defense or something like that, and
Speaker 3: around the garage door too, and you do it. You
Speaker 3: do that outside. Don't use that stuff inside. That's the
Speaker 3: outside stuff. Uh, and if it rains like it's going
Speaker 3: to today, then you've got to reapply that. So you
Speaker 3: kind of got a window there a few days to
Speaker 3: do that. So it's got to soak in. And there's
Speaker 3: also you know, some crystals and things you can use
Speaker 3: as well, and I suppose you can use the natural options,
Speaker 3: but the chemicals work pretty good. So you make that
Speaker 3: barrier around the house and then inside you do the
Speaker 3: bait and it's gonna take it's gonna take a minute
Speaker 3: for the ants to go away, but they will. Uh.
Speaker 3: And those are the small tiny answer. Seeing the carpenter
Speaker 3: ants and the bigger ones and the special ones with wings,
Speaker 3: that's a whole different situation you got. You see, you know,
Speaker 3: you see ants with wings. Those are carpenter ants. That's different.
Speaker 3: They those are the ones tunneling in wood and causing
Speaker 3: structure to termites. And that's when you need to call
Speaker 3: a pest control professional just top of my head. So
Speaker 3: use the perimeter spray, use the bait inside, and you
Speaker 3: should be good to go. But man, the ants are
Speaker 3: everywhere this year because of the winter that we just had.
Speaker 3: But that means the soil is warming up and we
Speaker 3: are this close to it being summer. Believe it or not,
Speaker 3: at some point summer will return. So we had a
Speaker 3: couple of eighty degree days there. Pretty good, pretty good.
Speaker 3: I mentioned Reds Baseball Day twelve forty and Rabbit Paul skeens,
Speaker 3: we'll have the call for you, Tommy throw all the
Speaker 3: Cowboy got that going for you down at GABP and
Speaker 3: the Reds got stung last night pretty pretty badly. Williamson
Speaker 3: came in to bitch for the Reds. Listen to the
Speaker 3: pregame show and he was talking about, Yeah, I feel
Speaker 3: so good, I lose I'm ready to go. I can't
Speaker 3: wait to start. This is gonna be awesome. Gets in
Speaker 3: there and just absolutely rocked. Did not have it from
Speaker 3: the jump, and the Reds took it on the chin
Speaker 3: last night. So hopefully they can make that up and
Speaker 3: win back to back series for the first time. I
Speaker 3: think it feels in forever that we started to open,
Speaker 3: you know, the start of the season off on the
Speaker 3: right path here, you know, take two or three, you're
Speaker 3: doing pretty damn well. Do not want to drop the
Speaker 3: series to the Pirates though, So Abbot's got his work
Speaker 3: cut off for him, and hopefully maybe some long balls
Speaker 3: today when we get started just about twelve forty so
Speaker 3: I mentioned that Ken Kober is coming up and then
Speaker 3: Julie Bauki Julie on the job. She'll analyze the Terry
Speaker 3: Fiji report we'll get and that Sarah lisill drop by
Speaker 3: with the Snort report. It will be the outside pitch
Speaker 3: before the inside pitch here on the Home of the
Speaker 3: Red seven hundred WLW. Also a Dean Regas was on
Speaker 3: earlier and something else happening tonight because the game will
Speaker 3: be over. If you're looking for something six twenty four tonight,
Speaker 3: so far it is on and that would be the
Speaker 3: Artemis two launch. Dean Regas from Astrodean dot com formerly
Speaker 3: the Observatory in Cincinnati, Cincinnati's astronomer will be on. Was
Speaker 3: on to talk about that a little bit earlier. And
Speaker 3: you know, it's interesting why we're doing this thing now
Speaker 3: and again, and I think it's fair to ask, you know,
Speaker 3: forty four billion dollars and we're just gonna fly a
Speaker 3: circle around the moon and come back, why are we
Speaker 3: doing this? Okay, at some point maybe we do go
Speaker 3: to Mars. And forty four billion dollars is a lot
Speaker 3: of money to do something we did fifty something years ago. Think,
Speaker 3: all right, we did that already. This is pretty I
Speaker 3: think it's fair to question this, quite honestly, in that, Okay,
Speaker 3: we did this fifty two years ago. The technology is better,
Speaker 3: the science is better. Therefore it's going to be much
Speaker 3: safer to do this. So if we did it fifty
Speaker 3: two years ago, why are we doing it again? I
Speaker 3: thought the whole point of the Space Shuttle was to
Speaker 3: do this stuff, and we've gotten rid of that program.
Speaker 3: And the idea was, hey, we could live in space
Speaker 3: and say, okay, great, now we're going to go back
Speaker 3: to rockets again and do that. And this is ahead
Speaker 3: of I guess maybe a Mars landing in twenty forty.
Speaker 3: At some point, you know, it's cool stuff and things
Speaker 3: come out of the space where like this one they're
Speaker 3: doing something like an organ on a chip is what
Speaker 3: I saw. I'm not sure what that actually means if
Speaker 3: that's a if that's a appetizer organ on a chip
Speaker 3: like liver and potato chips, or it's actually a human
Speaker 3: organ that's on a microchip, which is pretty cool, and
Speaker 3: what that means for the future. You always get something
Speaker 3: good out of it. It just takes a while. It's the
Speaker 3: point of this whole thing. So six twenty four tonight
Speaker 3: and in the window there, I'll be the weather in
Speaker 3: Florida right now for this launch looks like a lot
Speaker 3: better for them, that is us for baseball at twelve
Speaker 3: four hopefully fingers crossed here on the home of the
Speaker 3: Red seven hundred WW, Cincinnati. Do you want to be
Speaker 3: a plenty on seven hundred WLW. It's often said that
Speaker 3: if a police officer wants to pull you over and
Speaker 3: they're looking for a reason why, they'll find something. They'll
Speaker 3: find tall light out, something blinking, touch the fog line,
Speaker 3: touch center line, signal, to early signal too, something of
Speaker 3: those like that, if they want to they're looking to
Speaker 3: pull you over, the pull you over? Did this just
Speaker 3: happened to Terry Thiji in a much bigger sense, of course,
Speaker 3: Cincinnati releasing a bombshell report on the police chief in
Speaker 3: the police chief in Limbo may have not been fired
Speaker 3: yet and after six months, roughly six months, thirty two
Speaker 3: witnesses and now a verdict that could end your career.
Speaker 3: This is what the investigation found. This is what an
Speaker 3: attorney called a shameful hatch at job the information is
Speaker 3: out and some of the highlights we'll get into with
Speaker 3: Ken Kober fopre president on the show on seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 3: Safe to say, Ken that there's not much love lost here.
Speaker 3: I know the rank and found that big fans of
Speaker 3: Terry Thiji. But everyone hates their boss in America pretty much,
Speaker 3: don't they yees?
Speaker 7: Yeah for the most part, that's true. And your chiefs
Speaker 7: are no exception. You have half the rank and file
Speaker 7: will love the chief and the other half won't. Let's
Speaker 7: just just what society is.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So this investigation, I'm pretty thorough with Frost Brown,
Speaker 3: Todd Gibbons did and talk to thirty two that they
Speaker 3: interviewed thirty to forty two. A couple people obviously did
Speaker 3: not want to go on a record. A lot of
Speaker 3: people are nervous about this. The report concludes Terry Thigi
Speaker 3: has not been an effective leader of the department. Again,
Speaker 3: she has not fired at this time. It's an ongoing
Speaker 3: personal matter. Whatever the hell that means. Six months later,
Speaker 3: that she was too old school, pretty authoritarian and rigid.
Speaker 3: Her communications style LA like transparency, distrust. There's a strong
Speaker 3: culture of retaliation inside a CPD, and that if she
Speaker 3: allegedly blocked City Hall, and that would include the city
Speaker 3: manager and the assistant city Manager from communicating with her
Speaker 3: command staff directly. I had to go through her, and
Speaker 3: this of course started to unravel during the violent summer
Speaker 3: that we just had, and it became an untenable situation.
Speaker 3: Oddly enough, coincide, coinciding with the election. And so that's
Speaker 3: the political context, that's the facts of the matter here,
Speaker 3: let's jump into the bones of this thing. The report
Speaker 3: says that she rejected the Mayor's office of double overtime pay,
Speaker 3: citing a potential collective bargaining violation. Basically, she said that
Speaker 3: the city wanted double time for officers. We're going to
Speaker 3: work the hell out of you. She said, Well, I
Speaker 3: want my men and women to work the hell out
Speaker 3: of and they need some time off and they should
Speaker 3: only get time in a half as well. Did you
Speaker 3: ever consult you with the FOP about that? And was
Speaker 3: she right?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 7: What we did talk about was the forced overtime that
Speaker 7: city Hall wanted to put upon people, specifically to walk
Speaker 7: in areas of Vine Street and Main Street and over
Speaker 7: the Rhine that quite honestly just weren't having problems when
Speaker 7: she talks about the data, the data did not suggest
Speaker 7: in those blocks that they should be patrolling forced to
Speaker 7: work over time. And that's she said, I'm going to
Speaker 7: I'm going to go the line, these cops are overworked.
Speaker 7: I'm not going to force them to work more.
Speaker 3: Well, the cops were you're rank and file though, were
Speaker 3: they leaning more towards hey, I get extra money, I
Speaker 3: get double time, or going, hey, thank god, I can't
Speaker 3: work these many hours I had to manage. It was
Speaker 3: fairly divided. But what was the mindset generally speaking of
Speaker 3: the rank and file.
Speaker 7: Then for the most part, people are just burned out,
Speaker 7: and they're like, listen, we're working enough as it is.
Speaker 7: You have you have a pretty small faction of the
Speaker 7: department that consistently works overtime. You know, with this new
Speaker 7: generation of cops, a lot of them prefer, you know,
Speaker 7: work life balance and they would rather be home instead
Speaker 7: of working. And then there's there's some that are like, yeh,
Speaker 7: I'll work, I'll work all the time. But you can't
Speaker 7: continue to go from that same pool of people. And
Speaker 7: then now you're going to tell them now not only hey,
Speaker 7: thank you for volunteering for all these hours, but now
Speaker 7: we're going to order you to work more, and that
Speaker 7: was something that a lot of officers were upset about.
Speaker 3: The report describes a strong culture of retaliation and side
Speaker 3: the force, are your members telling the same thing? And
Speaker 3: how long has it been going on?
Speaker 7: Well, listen, I've been here twenty six years. There's been
Speaker 7: people that have complained about retaliation for the last twenty
Speaker 7: six years. I've been here, and you talked to retire
Speaker 7: guys that came before me that have always complained about
Speaker 7: the same thing. You know, retaliation is something that certainly
Speaker 7: has to be proven, not just you know, suspected of.
Speaker 7: But I would say that under her leadership it was
Speaker 7: no different than any other leadership.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I mean there's cases you go back that are
Speaker 3: still being said, the Pettis case and others where it's
Speaker 3: you know, a case of maybe discrimination, but that seems
Speaker 3: to pop up often with labor relations inside police forces
Speaker 3: Cincinnati notwithstanding, No.
Speaker 5: You're absolutely right.
Speaker 7: I mean, there's there's always been this element of people
Speaker 7: being unsatisfied for one reason or another. I mean there's
Speaker 7: people that have that passed up for preferred assignments that
Speaker 7: believe that they were wrong for one reason or another,
Speaker 7: and it's it's something that unfortunately is just part of
Speaker 7: police culture. And I think trying to use that as
Speaker 7: an example of why you know she was an an
Speaker 7: effective leader is just very misguided.
Speaker 3: Witnesses told investigators who are nervous to be interviewed they
Speaker 3: feared backlash, career consequences, et cetera. Is that a common fear?
Speaker 3: How widespread is that with your membership?
Speaker 7: I think a lot of people just want to come
Speaker 7: to work and do their job. And in this particular case,
Speaker 7: there were some that just refused to interview and a
Speaker 7: couple of the men I talked to you, so listen,
Speaker 7: I'm just a po I'm here to do a job.
Speaker 7: I don't want to get involved in city hall politics.
Speaker 7: I don't. I don't have anything to say. And I
Speaker 7: think it was less about necessarily retaliation from the police
Speaker 7: department as it was just I don't want to be
Speaker 7: involved in this because the reality is, what's going to
Speaker 7: happen now. These names are going to be released, and
Speaker 7: once they're released, you know there's going to be depositions,
Speaker 7: there's going to be personnel jackets requested, all of these things,
Speaker 7: and it's just something that cops just don't want to
Speaker 7: deal with it, ken.
Speaker 3: Co But the report says morale has improved under interim
Speaker 3: Chief Henny. Is that a fact?
Speaker 7: I think if you ask the cops that we're dealing
Speaker 7: with thousands of people in the streets fighting on Thursday,
Speaker 7: they would probably tell you that morale is still a challenge,
Speaker 7: you know. I think there there are certainly things that
Speaker 7: Chief Henny has done that has has helped to make
Speaker 7: things more positive. But you have to understand that he's
Speaker 7: also still under our collective barneting agreement, so there's only
Speaker 7: so much that city Hall could do to him if
Speaker 7: he does something they don't like, Whereas you know, Chief
Speaker 7: Biji and other permanent chiefs before are constantly under the
Speaker 7: thumb of city Hall and you're making those decisions. So
Speaker 7: I mean, I think it's like anything else. If you
Speaker 7: ask after the department if they were satisfied the Chief
Speaker 7: hennies here, I think they're gonna say yeah. I think
Speaker 7: if you ask certain people they would be yeah, maybe
Speaker 7: maybe this isn't the greatest idea, but that's normal. That
Speaker 7: is a completely normal scenario for anybody that's in charge
Speaker 7: of the police department.
Speaker 3: Ken Cober is a president of the FOP Queen City
Speaker 3: Lodge joining the Scottsland Show. Here seven hundred WW on
Speaker 3: the Fiji report coming out the former chief, the chief
Speaker 3: in Limbo, if you will. It took almost six months, Kenkober.
Speaker 3: And it was only nine pages. And that strikes me
Speaker 3: as I've seen reports like this where it just goes
Speaker 3: on and on and on. It it's like a it's
Speaker 3: like the Bible, right, this is only nine pages. Did
Speaker 3: you see anything in there that was news to you
Speaker 3: that surprised you or shocked you?
Speaker 7: Yeah, there were some things that were in there, and
Speaker 7: whether they're true or not, I don't know, because obviously
Speaker 7: I wasn't a party to it. But problems with command
Speaker 7: staff officers and the chief, the stuff about the city
Speaker 7: manager and the mayor and the assistant city manager, the
Speaker 7: chief blocking things, I certainly questioned, if they knew that
Speaker 7: she was purposely obstructing communication, why didn't they do something
Speaker 7: about it when it happened. Why are we waiting till
Speaker 7: now months later? And the interesting part about this entire
Speaker 7: investigation that none of these interviews were recorded. They were
Speaker 7: purposely not recorded. They were told you are not allowed
Speaker 7: to record these interviews and we're not going to record them.
Speaker 7: We're simply going to take notes that, in my opinion,
Speaker 7: lacks a whole lot of transparency. I mean, you look
Speaker 7: at these officers going to Internal Investigation Section. Interviews are recorded,
Speaker 7: they go to the citizen's complain Authority, they're recorded. My god,
Speaker 7: we put body cameras on cops, We have cameras in cars.
Speaker 7: Everything these alcers do are recorded. But now they want
Speaker 7: them to participate in this investigation involving city Hall. And
Speaker 7: now all of a sudden, no, no, no, we're not
Speaker 7: going to record anything that doesn't pass the smell Testomy.
Speaker 3: Is that more about the retaliation fear that that very
Speaker 3: fewer people I guess would testify if that were the case,
Speaker 3: and said, hey, listen, I'll talk to you, but you
Speaker 3: write it down. I don't want my voice recorded. Then
Speaker 3: that can get leaked out. And now we have audio evidence.
Speaker 7: No, this was up the request of Frost, Brown and Talk.
Speaker 7: Actually it wasn't even a request.
Speaker 5: It was a.
Speaker 7: Demand that you not recorded and that they're not going
Speaker 7: to record it. And here's the thing. All of this
Speaker 7: is going to come out eventually anyway, because everybody's going
Speaker 7: to be deposed. I mean, assuming that the chief fire
Speaker 7: or yo, she ends up getting fired, she sues the city.
Speaker 7: All of these people that interviewed are going to be
Speaker 7: subject to deposition, so it's all going to come out anyway. No,
Speaker 7: everything in this report was witnesses said, Witnesses said, witness
Speaker 7: is said, and there's really going to be no proof
Speaker 7: of what they said other than notes that someone supposedly took.
Speaker 3: Uh Fiji herself. Obviously it's the thing's a lightning rod
Speaker 3: for her as well, and all the trouble gets thrown
Speaker 3: at her feet because it's an easy excuse. You know,
Speaker 3: wind blows off lids off of garbage cans, Well, it's
Speaker 3: her fault. We can blame it. It happened on her watch,
Speaker 3: even though she had no hand in that. That's part
Speaker 3: of this thing. Her attorney, the very capable Stephen m
Speaker 3: called us sing a hatchet job. Do you agree with that?
Speaker 7: Knew it was going to be from the beginning. You
Speaker 7: put somebody on administrative league two weeks before an election,
Speaker 7: and then it takes you six months to figure out
Speaker 7: whether somebody was effective or not. You know, if somebody
Speaker 7: who is throughout their career, if they if she had
Speaker 7: all these problems with City Hall. Why wasn't anything documented
Speaker 7: before this? It just doesn't make any sense. We we
Speaker 7: all know why this occurred. You know this was this
Speaker 7: was a political blunder yet again by the city and
Speaker 7: it's well, we'll see how this ends up in court.
Speaker 7: But I would suspect that she's probably going to do
Speaker 7: pretty well for herself.
Speaker 3: I would say, if it's a blunder, it worked out
Speaker 3: pretty well for him because of aftab On down all
Speaker 3: got reelected.
Speaker 7: Well, I think that was that was a foregone conclusion.
Speaker 7: If if they would have kept her, I think the
Speaker 7: election would have been the exact same way. But I
Speaker 7: think that someone over at City Hall got nervous and
Speaker 7: thought that maybe this would help re elections. But the
Speaker 7: reality is, I don't think it had any impact one
Speaker 7: way or another.
Speaker 3: You did our expectations because we were pretty so much
Speaker 3: seed hidehide on most things. Ken cober U President the
Speaker 3: FOP that that we're out of touch with what the
Speaker 3: citizens want. Because if all this is going on and
Speaker 3: they just re elect the same people they had before that,
Speaker 3: that and by pretty wide margins too, that tells me
Speaker 3: this is what the residents want. Are we are you?
Speaker 5: Are you?
Speaker 3: Fighting. Are you trying to push a boulder uphill?
Speaker 7: Well, I mean, it's funny that this is what the
Speaker 7: citizens want. Yet when they just did this survey and
Speaker 7: they talk about how safety has to be prioritized, they're
Speaker 7: afraid to be in their own neighborhood. But yet they
Speaker 7: they've voted in the exact same people. So clearly this
Speaker 7: is what they want. And at this point, I think
Speaker 7: we need to just sit back and go this is
Speaker 7: what they want, this is what they get. You know,
Speaker 7: the old adage of you get, you get the government
Speaker 7: that you deserve and that you elect is absolutely true.
Speaker 7: And clearly they're okay with the things are going on
Speaker 7: in this city. So you know, at this point, you
Speaker 7: give the voters what they want.
Speaker 3: Ken Kober, you're rank and file. They get scrutinized all
Speaker 3: the time, your pos and opt the food chain. Did
Speaker 3: it surprise you or is it pretty commonplace that all
Speaker 3: of these bad things came about Fiji is the reason
Speaker 3: why they suspended her and ultimate problem of fire and
Speaker 3: cut her a big check. It's performance based. She had
Speaker 3: had a review a performance review in seven years, and
Speaker 3: yet they threw this out there like she's supposed to
Speaker 3: know she'd never been corrected on any of this. Is
Speaker 3: that common?
Speaker 7: Well, listen, here's the always been the problem with the city,
Speaker 7: and everybody wants to blame the FOP for defending its members.
Speaker 7: You know, when they get suspended, when they get terminated,
Speaker 7: and all of a sudden, these suspensions go away. People
Speaker 7: get reinstated for their jobs and they're terminated. And it's
Speaker 7: all because the city historically has done a terrible job
Speaker 7: documenting things with people that they say are problems. And
Speaker 7: this is no different. You have somebody that has spent
Speaker 7: thirty five years here, Absolutely nothing has been documented. There's
Speaker 7: never been anything saying, hey, you need to do a
Speaker 7: better job. Not a performance of value. How can you
Speaker 7: improve on your performance if you're not told the things
Speaker 7: that you need to improve upon.
Speaker 3: And I think that also gets back to the witness.
Speaker 3: They don't want a paper trail, they don't want evidence
Speaker 3: people testifying. It's you know, if if there's no permanent
Speaker 3: record of this, whether it's a performance evaluation or you
Speaker 3: can always move the line right, you can you can
Speaker 3: take that information and tweak it and use it to
Speaker 3: see how you fit. It's manipulative, is what it is.
Speaker 7: Absolutely and That's where I said, the lack of transparency
Speaker 7: this investigation, it's just it's it's staggering. Now, whether those
Speaker 7: were the rules of engagement for Frost Brown Todd, which
Speaker 7: very well I would suspect would be the case, because
Speaker 7: as far as I know, they're a very very reputable
Speaker 7: law firm. But then again, I also understand that you know,
Speaker 7: you're hired by a client and they say, hey, this
Speaker 7: is how you want they this is how we want
Speaker 7: you to do this, these your marching orders, this is
Speaker 7: what you do. Completely understand that it's just the the
Speaker 7: entire thing, just transparency, and that that I think is
Speaker 7: ultimately where I think the city is going to be
Speaker 7: most vulnerable when you get into any kind of litigation.
Speaker 3: The reason why lawyers are called counselors is they counsel
Speaker 3: they can't actually force you to do something hit their
Speaker 3: consultants basically, so if the marching orders are, hey, we
Speaker 3: don't want any recordings of witnesses, and this is why
Speaker 3: we want the investigation to go, that's the context in
Speaker 3: which your employer, in this case, the City of Cincinnati,
Speaker 3: sets forth to the law firm. The report also says
Speaker 3: that Terry Thiji Block City Hall from communicating directly with
Speaker 3: the assistant chiefs and the command staff. Did you at
Speaker 3: the FOP Ken Cobra ever raised concerns over that chain
Speaker 3: of command break down.
Speaker 7: I'd never heard that, you know, Like I said, I'm
Speaker 7: in a little bit different position just because yeah, I'm
Speaker 7: an FOP leader, but I'm not in the command staff.
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm sure there's certain things that had been
Speaker 7: kept for me on purpose, and I get it that's
Speaker 7: kind of the relationship between union leaders and you know,
Speaker 7: leaders from the police departments of that that wouldn't I mean,
Speaker 7: as far as me being left out, it doesn't surprise
Speaker 7: me a bit. I mean I fully expected. But if
Speaker 7: that's something that city Hall knew was going on, then
Speaker 7: they never addressed it. That's on there.
Speaker 3: Multiple witnesses described the nepotism favoritism in that as a
Speaker 3: huge problem inside CPD. Then even pre Day's Terry Fija,
Speaker 3: I think that said that report. Is that a fair characterization.
Speaker 7: I think it's gone on forever. I know the example
Speaker 7: that was used with her nephew, who's the lieutenant our department.
Speaker 7: He was the only one. They made him the legal
Speaker 7: liaison after he went to law school. Passed the bar.
Speaker 7: He was the only one at the time that I'm
Speaker 7: aware of that had a law degree. It made complete
Speaker 7: sense to put him in that position. So I guess
Speaker 7: that's what they're going to try to use and say
Speaker 7: that this was favoritism and nepotism. But you know, there's
Speaker 7: been accusations of that for as long as I've been there,
Speaker 7: certainly long before I was there, and I'm sure it's
Speaker 7: going to be at least accused of long after I'm gone.
Speaker 5: Time.
Speaker 3: We have a community activist in Iris Rawley who is
Speaker 3: not a big fan of what you guys do for
Speaker 3: a living, and the opposite is true whose son works
Speaker 3: for her, and yet there's no cris of nepotism there.
Speaker 5: Hmmm.
Speaker 7: Kind of interesting, isn't it?
Speaker 3: Ken Kober, What do you see? What do you see
Speaker 3: shaking out from this?
Speaker 5: All? Right?
Speaker 3: So they got you can find anything on anybody, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, if you if Frost they hired Fraud, if
Speaker 3: the Vatican hired Frost Brown Todd Gibbons to investigate the Pope,
Speaker 3: you think he was dirty as hell, because you're there
Speaker 3: going to find dirt on you. I mentioned the pretext
Speaker 3: of a stop for example, you want to pull a
Speaker 3: subject over. You know, you can find something that they're
Speaker 3: doing driving in a car in order to initiate that stop.
Speaker 3: That the same is true here. What do you think
Speaker 3: comes of all this? They just wind up settling and
Speaker 3: we're talking millions and millions of dollars here for Chief Thiji.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it's hard to say. I mean, I
Speaker 7: don't think there's a scenario where she comes back, and
Speaker 7: I certainly I don't blame her. I don't know how
Speaker 7: you would be able to come back and work in
Speaker 7: this kind of environment, knowing that the things that have
Speaker 7: been done to you over the last six months. I
Speaker 7: think it's likely the city is going to end up
Speaker 7: terminating or be followed by a lawsuit in three years
Speaker 7: from now, you know, we'll be sitting here talking about
Speaker 7: what the results of this lawsuit are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then the people who cut the check or
Speaker 3: council people go, well, I wasn't here, you know. The
Speaker 3: favorite thing is, well, I was elected, then, I was
Speaker 3: on council, then I wasn't mayor then and you know,
Speaker 3: you have got cover and so it goes. But overall, though,
Speaker 3: what effect does this have on the rank and file officers?
Speaker 3: You represent the FOP Kencobra And what about Chief Henny.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's got to be looking over his shoulder too.
Speaker 7: I would think, well, yeah, I think that whatever decision
Speaker 7: they make, right, wrong or indifferent, it needs to be
Speaker 7: made the men and women of this police department. They
Speaker 7: deserve to know who's going to be in charge of
Speaker 7: this police department going into the summer. We know it's
Speaker 7: going to be a long, hot summer. We know that,
Speaker 7: you know, things like Opening Day are likely going to
Speaker 7: occur again, We're going to be seeing protests almost every
Speaker 7: weekend as the weather warms up. They have a right
Speaker 7: to know who's going to be in charge. Like Chief Henny,
Speaker 7: he should be knowing whether or not he's going to
Speaker 7: be here, he's not going to be here. Those are
Speaker 7: decisions that need to be made immediate. Like I said,
Speaker 7: what regardless of what those decisions are, it's owed to
Speaker 7: these men and women of who's going to be in
Speaker 7: charge of this place.
Speaker 3: I will say in final, final point here, they're throwing
Speaker 3: the crime problem with Terry Thigi. She mishandled everything and
Speaker 3: we had the violence, the brawl downtown, we had Fountain
Speaker 3: Square and others. But ever since she has been quote
Speaker 3: unquote terminated for the last six months. It's not like
Speaker 3: we've not had We've seen crime go down and violent
Speaker 3: crime as a result, whether it's three takeovers, mass shootings
Speaker 3: and the like. Pretty much this is what we wind
Speaker 3: up get the opening Day Stampede, if you'll call it that.
Speaker 3: And this shows me it's not a problem with the chief.
Speaker 3: It's the culture and the climate. I know for a
Speaker 3: fact that you know, the city didn't want to like
Speaker 3: the idea that Fiji was attacking judges and saying they
Speaker 3: got to do a better job, or when she's out
Speaker 3: there being Chief mema talking about how kids need to
Speaker 3: be held responsible by their parents. City didn't want any
Speaker 3: part of that, which is shocking because that's where it starts.
Speaker 7: Without a doubt, and as long as we have this
Speaker 7: lack of accountability, this is going to continue. It doesn't
Speaker 7: matter who you make the chief, it doesn't matter any
Speaker 7: of this, it doesn't matter who's in leadership. Until the
Speaker 7: court system decides to hold people accountable for their actions,
Speaker 7: we're going to see this and it's likely going to
Speaker 7: get worse before it gets better.
Speaker 3: He's Ken Cober, president of the Queen City Lodge of
Speaker 3: the FOP. Ken, thanks for jumping in this morning. I
Speaker 3: appreciate you. I know you're busy as hell and probably
Speaker 3: extremely tired about talking about this topic. This won't be
Speaker 3: the last time, brother, appreciate.
Speaker 7: It all good thanks, thanks for there to go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let me get an update and we're running late,
Speaker 3: but good stuff there with Ken. Well pivot. Julie Bouk
Speaker 3: is here a career sure if it's Julie on the
Speaker 3: job from an HR and workplace type of environment, and
Speaker 3: she's an expert in that. What lessons you learn from
Speaker 3: what happened to Terry Thiji that you can apply in
Speaker 3: your workplace, whether it comes down to performance reviews for example.
Speaker 3: Chat with her next about it right after news on
Speaker 3: seven hundred WW helping you put the big P in profession.
Speaker 3: Here's our career, Sir Julie Balk. Yeah, very relevant discussion
Speaker 3: I just had on Ken Kober, President of the FOP.
Speaker 3: Some interesting insights into this nine page report issued by
Speaker 3: the city via Frost Brown Todd Gibbons relative to the
Speaker 3: conduct of Terry Thiji, the former police chief. I think
Speaker 3: it's safe to say former. Although they said, well she
Speaker 3: had been fired yet it hasn't been fired. It's an
Speaker 3: ongoing person on matter. We haven't fired her. We're still
Speaker 3: paying her a two hundred and three thousand dollars salary.
Speaker 3: Presumably though these are grounds for dismissal. He broke it
Speaker 3: down from police terms. But what can me and you
Speaker 3: in the regular workplace in the not public sphere? Oh
Speaker 3: maybe you have a public job. I don't know, but yeah,
Speaker 3: we all have someone to answer to. Presumably unless you
Speaker 3: own the company, that doesn't apply to you. But maybe
Speaker 3: you can learn something here for all of us. It
Speaker 3: has to do with performance reviews and how you know
Speaker 3: when you were on the radar before you're actually on
Speaker 3: the radar. On that is Julie Balki our career shure.
Speaker 3: But welcome, good morning, How are you?
Speaker 6: Good morning?
Speaker 8: Yes, as you might imagine, I have thoughts and opinions
Speaker 8: on this.
Speaker 3: I would hope you would. The city went seven years
Speaker 3: without giving Terry thg the police chief, a formal performance
Speaker 3: appraisal or review. From an HR standpoint, how does that
Speaker 3: failure complicate any attempt to terminator?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 8: Absolutely, this is you know. I read the whole thing
Speaker 8: and really pulled out some of the key points, which
Speaker 8: frankly are not any different if you take it out
Speaker 8: of the police department and put it in any corporation
Speaker 8: or university. The things that they found were signs of
Speaker 8: poor leadership no matter where the leader works. And so
Speaker 8: there's a lot of commonality between what this study found
Speaker 8: and what and what is commonly known as poor leadership.
Speaker 4: I think the biggest mistake they.
Speaker 8: Made is you don't let you don't let seven years
Speaker 8: go by and have someone out there thinking they're the
Speaker 8: best leader their department has ever had, whether it's a corporation,
Speaker 8: a university, or a police department, and then blindside them
Speaker 8: with data that says or information that says quite the opposite.
Speaker 8: That is unfair to her. And it's that's one thing
Speaker 8: that has to be changed because now we're in a
Speaker 8: situation where it's costing a city so much money to
Speaker 8: go back. I mean they paid, I'm sure Frost, Brown,
Speaker 8: Tod Gibbons, you know, a party. Penny just put this
Speaker 8: to the study and it didn't have to be that way.
Speaker 8: You know, there was a culture survey that was done.
Speaker 8: It's noted in the report where there was a lot
Speaker 8: of this similar feedback that that she got was in
Speaker 8: the culture report of a few years ago and so,
Speaker 8: but then nothing was really done with it, and so
Speaker 8: it sounds like it's a little bit of a who's
Speaker 8: on first here. I'm not sure who was responding.
Speaker 3: They're making it up as they go along. I don't
Speaker 3: get that. I don't get that suspicion. I know if
Speaker 3: you had okay, there's a cultural problem. But again, if
Speaker 3: you look back at the history of chiefs in recent
Speaker 3: times in Cincinnati and Ken Cobra, the FLP said this, Look,
Speaker 3: it's your job, if you're a worker, not to like
Speaker 3: your boss. I mean, how many people more people hate
Speaker 3: their boss and love their boss in America even tolerate
Speaker 3: their boss. That's probably true, more so when it comes
Speaker 3: to union representation with the rank and file what they
Speaker 3: want versus what the administration of the chief want. And
Speaker 3: so I'm sure that if you look back historically, whether
Speaker 3: it's Ken Blackwell, whether it's Elliott Isaac, and I can
Speaker 3: go on and on, that there are people who are
Speaker 3: discontent with leadership. That just kind of goes hand in
Speaker 3: hand and the culture. It's a cultural or got a
Speaker 3: cultural problem. But if you don't act on that report
Speaker 3: in that timeframe, what winds up happening then is you
Speaker 3: would assume, if you're the leader, it's like, okay, well
Speaker 3: they's some bad things, but clearly my boss, and this
Speaker 3: would be the mayor and the city manager, they're okay
Speaker 3: with that. Then all of a sudden of the blue,
Speaker 3: you get called back from a conference in Denver and go, hey,
Speaker 3: we got to talk. We loved you yesterday. You know,
Speaker 3: yesterday we couldn't live without you. Starting today, we're going
Speaker 3: to try. That's what I get out of this. And
Speaker 3: that's just going to cost b Expires more money because
Speaker 3: they're going to settle this.
Speaker 8: Absolutely. So you should never not know how you're doing.
Speaker 8: You should never not know how you're perceived. And she
Speaker 8: is in and any police.
Speaker 4: Chief, buyer chief, you name it.
Speaker 8: They have so many different so many different contingency or
Speaker 8: so many different contingents too, that are that are. You've
Speaker 8: got the union, you've got the officers themselves.
Speaker 1: You've got the city, you've got the.
Speaker 8: Leadership of your organization, you've got the public, you've got
Speaker 8: the media, and so those.
Speaker 1: Types of jobs.
Speaker 8: You have to accept that you're never going to be
Speaker 8: beloved or just not. It's it's a if they yeah,
Speaker 8: it's you're never going to get there. But if you
Speaker 8: if people see that you've taken feedback, that you've asked
Speaker 8: for and taken feedback, and you are searching for ways
Speaker 8: to address that feedback openly and not in a I'm
Speaker 8: going to get you sort of retaliatory way, then people
Speaker 8: are so forgiving because they.
Speaker 1: Get that you're not perfect, you know.
Speaker 8: And so it's it's in a lot of ways, it's
Speaker 8: it's a very tough job. And I think there's when
Speaker 8: I read this and I'm reading, like what the key
Speaker 8: points were? You take those and you say, all right,
Speaker 8: what what's the definition of someone who's not who's not.
Speaker 5: A good leader?
Speaker 8: It's all there, All those points are there. But it
Speaker 8: should she have known that, well, you know, it was
Speaker 8: in the culture survey. But if you try to give
Speaker 8: someone feedback and they just put their you know, put
Speaker 8: their hands up like no, literally or figuratively, I'm not
Speaker 8: gonna I'm not gonna take this, I'm not gonna then
Speaker 8: you give up. And so you can see why she
Speaker 8: thought she was doing a great jobs. Lack of feedback
Speaker 8: does not mean you're doing a great job.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she had no idea that her job was
Speaker 3: in jeopardy until the thirteenth of October, and that tells
Speaker 3: you everything you need to know about of the city
Speaker 3: manage this employer relationship, which means it's going to cost you,
Speaker 3: mister and missus taxpayer, a hell of a lot of
Speaker 3: money to make this thing go away. But we've seen
Speaker 3: this act before time and time again. The transparency is
Speaker 3: lip service down there at city Hall. The report documents
Speaker 3: a culture retaliation and the witnesses are thirty something witnesses said,
Speaker 3: I fear consequences for cooperating with you the investigators at
Speaker 3: a law firm, as an HR professional. How serious a
Speaker 3: liability you think that is, Julie, regardless of what happens
Speaker 3: to Terry Thiji, that seems to be a liability issue
Speaker 3: on the city's part.
Speaker 7: To me, absolutely yes.
Speaker 8: Anytime you've got a situation and where people are afraid
Speaker 8: of speaking up and it comes from it can come
Speaker 8: from a lot of different places. Either I'm afraid of
Speaker 8: retaliation and it could be a combination. The second is,
Speaker 8: why would I speak up. It's not going to change anyway.
Speaker 8: I spoke up once and everybody ignored me. And so
Speaker 8: when you think about it, you and I've had this
Speaker 8: conversation multiple times about top down leadership. I know, I'm
Speaker 8: I said, so, this is what this is what I
Speaker 8: do it because I said so is maybe it worked before.
Speaker 8: Maybe it did, but we are in a new generation
Speaker 8: and so they do not They do not deal well
Speaker 8: with because I said so. They want an explanation, they
Speaker 8: want to understand, they want to feel like they're on
Speaker 8: a team.
Speaker 1: And that is not unreasonable.
Speaker 8: And that's that's what I think a lot of times
Speaker 8: with these structures where it's very much a ladder, where
Speaker 8: it's very top down, you maybe you've gotten away with
Speaker 8: leading that way and being really buttoned up and quiet
Speaker 8: and do what I say, But that's not going to
Speaker 8: work moving forward in any work situation, regardless of whether you're
Speaker 8: a police department or a university.
Speaker 3: Julie balcare career suirpon this morning on seven hundred W
Speaker 3: talking about the dynamics of the Terry Fiji investigation by
Speaker 3: a law firm here locally nine pages of stuff that
Speaker 3: basically says she's not been an effective leader. And that's
Speaker 3: a pretty i think definitive legal distinction that term will
Speaker 3: not been an effective leader. That's costs or dismissal. But
Speaker 3: I contend you can find dirt on your best employee
Speaker 3: and give them cause and come up with reasons why.
Speaker 3: That's not the issue here. The question is the context
Speaker 3: of how this whole thing went down regards with the
Speaker 3: rank and file feel. If you don't have a performance
Speaker 3: review in seven years, you assume you're doing a great job,
Speaker 3: which she did, and then October thirteenth, well you're not
Speaker 3: doing a great job, and all of a sudden she's fired.
Speaker 3: And I think that is poor planning on the city's part. Furthermore,
Speaker 3: Julie Balk seven years. I think that's a big hang
Speaker 3: up for most of us listening. Go, well, I have
Speaker 3: a performance review. There's something called a PIP, a performance
Speaker 3: improvement program. Your company may call something different, organization might
Speaker 3: but once they write you a PIP, that means you're
Speaker 3: going to get fired. Basically, it's a performance improvement plan.
Speaker 3: You need to do this, this, this, this, and you
Speaker 3: can think you do all those things, but that doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: It's just a legal cya. What's going on. She didn't
Speaker 3: even have a performance improvement plan? If what usually leads
Speaker 3: up to that in a normal workplace, Julie Well.
Speaker 8: It's depending on what your job is. Maybe you're not
Speaker 8: meeting deadlines, maybe you have complaints from customers, maybe you're
Speaker 8: difficult and obstructive and the way you work, maybe you
Speaker 8: haven't kept your skills up. So there's a lot of
Speaker 8: things that lead you to that discussion. But I feel like,
Speaker 8: you know, the first time you're hearing that your job
Speaker 8: is that your your performance is less than what the
Speaker 8: organization wants it to be. If the first time you
Speaker 8: have any hint is a formal you've got ninety days
Speaker 8: to shave up or about sort of reports, than your
Speaker 8: organization's not doing their job. And the city could have
Speaker 8: so easily avoided this. As I read this report, there
Speaker 8: were multiple points when they could have easily resolved this
Speaker 8: and had what is of course a tough conversation. It says,
Speaker 8: you know, here's how your people feel about you, and
Speaker 8: maybe it's that culture survey. Maybe it goes to the
Speaker 8: city manager who then says, Okay, we're going to put
Speaker 8: together some teams help address this, and Chief, we expect
Speaker 8: you to be a part of the solution. And if
Speaker 8: all you're going to do is throw off walls and
Speaker 8: say they're the problem, it's not me, You're the problem.
Speaker 3: She's Julie Bowki. Our cur surpis so be advised you
Speaker 3: get a performance improvement plan and you better find a
Speaker 3: new job because that's a foregone crew. You don't really
Speaker 3: should come back from those. But if you're in business
Speaker 3: and you need to communicate and set expectations for your employees,
Speaker 3: to do employment reviews and let them know what's going on,
Speaker 3: certainly verbally is good, but also written is probably more important.
Speaker 3: Otherwise it's gonna cost you what's gonna cost the city.
Speaker 3: But it ain't there money. It's your money, which is
Speaker 3: also part of the problem. Julie Balki at the Balkigroup
Speaker 3: dot Com da UK e Balkigroup dot Com career coach,
Speaker 3: consultant and all around lovely person to hang out with
Speaker 3: my friend Julie Baki. We'll talk next Wednesday. Thanks again,
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Speaker 3: hour from Mark.
Speaker 1: Yes, twelve forty.
Speaker 6: First pitch for that one, Andrew Abbott versus Paul schemes.
Speaker 1: But can mother nature?
Speaker 6: That's the question behave today so we can get this
Speaker 6: one in.
Speaker 3: It might Yet, if you're going down for the game, yep,
Speaker 3: poncho would be recommended. You probably are gonna get wet.
Speaker 3: I don't know looking at it, gun, I wonder if
Speaker 3: they think they'll get this in. I mean it might,
Speaker 3: It may take a minute.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna do their very best.
Speaker 3: Brown Screw has a tarp at the ready, and hopefully.
Speaker 1: Nobody gets swallowed. Up in that thing.
Speaker 6: I feel like every time a tarp comes out, somebody
Speaker 6: gets swallowed out.
Speaker 3: I'd your boy Williamson.
Speaker 6: Look last night, Welcome back to Brandon Williamson a really
Speaker 6: tough welcome.
Speaker 3: Back the entire I'm driving listening to Tommy interviewed Brandon Williamson.
Speaker 3: He's like, how do you feel? I've never felt this
Speaker 3: good in my life. I probably was not this good
Speaker 3: one I was born.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was so confident.
Speaker 3: I'm ready to go. I'm ready to rock and rolling
Speaker 3: right from the jump.
Speaker 6: And it was very obvious that he did not pitch
Speaker 6: last season, gave up six runs, and Tita left him
Speaker 6: out there.
Speaker 1: He's like, look, dude, you gotta work through this thing.
Speaker 6: So, uh, Red's not gonna sweep the Pirates like we
Speaker 6: thought they couldn't get it done last night.
Speaker 1: Eight to three was the final. So we got the
Speaker 1: rubber today.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know what, two of three? I have
Speaker 3: take two or three all day long.
Speaker 6: Hopefully as long as Andrew Robik can look a lot
Speaker 6: better than Paul Skeins.
Speaker 1: I mean, Paul Skins had a.
Speaker 6: Tough opening daycked, but I'm gonna blame his defense on
Speaker 6: that one. So we'll see. We know that Paul Skins
Speaker 6: is better than what happened to him.
Speaker 3: All James is a baller. I think he's gonna come
Speaker 3: out today and just absolutely go lights out here.
Speaker 1: He's going to be rolling.
Speaker 6: So we are heavily relying that our offense can slip
Speaker 6: on past him. Maybe we'll see another South Steward bomb
Speaker 6: because he's I've been staying hot. Ellie Da La Cruz
Speaker 6: looked good last night and I don't know who knows
Speaker 6: what could happen to me?
Speaker 3: I went to the Bread's Big too, no other way,
Speaker 3: that was fantastic at the Great American Ballpark and wait,
Speaker 3: wait thanks somebody our friends at key Bank.
Speaker 6: Oh you were in a fancy suite, fancy pant to
Speaker 6: do that? Yeah, you got to sit out underneath the
Speaker 6: stack with me.
Speaker 3: I went past the seven hundred W LW suite mean
Speaker 3: you no, and they said, no, you don't belong here.
Speaker 3: Get the hell out. So I'm also come on, I'll
Speaker 3: have some beers.
Speaker 6: I was like, can I sit in the Ihearts Sweet?
Speaker 6: I'll have clients text me like, hey, I'm in the Iheartsweet.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what's it like?
Speaker 5: Right? Right, right?
Speaker 1: But Brandon Williamson just shaking it off after last night.
Speaker 6: He goes, look, I'm gonna go hug my kids and
Speaker 6: forget all about this. And if you were watching the
Speaker 6: broadcast last night, his wife and his two beautiful little
Speaker 6: girls were in attendance hoping to see dad have a
Speaker 6: much better night.
Speaker 1: But again, you just you do have to shake it off.
Speaker 6: Hopefully we'll see a much better start out of him
Speaker 6: the next time. And speaking of getting a better start,
Speaker 6: Nick Lidolo, he's getting back after that blister. Tito said
Speaker 6: that Nick's gonna be making his rehab start for the
Speaker 6: Daytona tortugas on angle seconds after the blister on the
Speaker 6: left index.
Speaker 3: What's a tortuga. It's one of them Mexican real cheese.
Speaker 1: And get it topped with sulfa.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the turtles, the turtles, all right, So rehabs start and.
Speaker 6: Then so he could get back into that rotation by
Speaker 6: the time they hit up Miami next week if all
Speaker 6: goes well. I mean, we've seen how this guy recovers
Speaker 6: from blisters and it's not really been ideal in the past.
Speaker 3: Are we at Miami That's.
Speaker 1: Where we're headed next.
Speaker 6: Yep, they've got the Rangers this weekend and then they're
Speaker 6: in Miami next week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you're in Miami where it's hot and humid.
Speaker 6: Just like it was kind of out in Arizona with
Speaker 6: the heat not as much humidity.
Speaker 3: You just pitching cold weather areas, Like say, him from
Speaker 3: Milwaukee go to the Yankees.
Speaker 1: We can't like base his pitching off the weather. Otherwise
Speaker 1: we're going to get nowhere with this.
Speaker 3: Guy this season humid, probably you don't want to start him,
Speaker 3: and so is he just a cold weather pitcher save
Speaker 3: in from October.
Speaker 6: That means we're not going to see him pitching Cincinnati
Speaker 6: between the months of June all the way up through
Speaker 6: the end of August, because you know how much it
Speaker 6: sucks here in Cincinnati with that humid stuff.
Speaker 3: That's rough.
Speaker 6: But yeah, April six sets him at the fifteen day
Speaker 6: io end point. All of this over the blister, Yeah,
Speaker 6: the blister. The blisters are a beat.
Speaker 3: When he's on, when he's now, when he's not blistering,
Speaker 3: he's throwing seeds. So hopefully cross our fingers, Cross our fingers.
Speaker 6: I mean, we had talked about this last week. It's like,
Speaker 6: can't we just put a glove over this thing? And
Speaker 6: say get back out there.
Speaker 3: Only one obviously, but Chase Burns had a good outing
Speaker 3: the other day, so we're going.
Speaker 6: To taste up great. Red Louder looked great. I love
Speaker 6: what we saw from Andrew Rabbit on opening day. And
Speaker 6: of course our guy Hunter Green, we're not going to
Speaker 6: see him for quite some time. So the chips, he's
Speaker 6: got the chips in the bow.
Speaker 3: The chips. Got to get the chips fixed and hopefully
Speaker 3: all star break fingers crossed and you make a run.
Speaker 1: So hope, just get it done at the start of
Speaker 1: the season.
Speaker 6: Let's get it together because you know that injuries are
Speaker 6: the name of the game.
Speaker 3: That's sale Stewart. I thought, oh man, so fun.
Speaker 6: Well when he got hit in the wrist day that
Speaker 6: was opening day, right here we go, I'm like, that's
Speaker 6: our head er man over again. Uh huh yeah, South
Speaker 6: South Bend lights out. He's been such a joy to
Speaker 6: what when.
Speaker 3: He turned a double play the other night was fantastic.
Speaker 1: He's not playing like a rookie, that's for dam I'm
Speaker 1: sure kid.
Speaker 3: Uh uh, there's your rookie of the year right there.
Speaker 3: Salth Stewart.
Speaker 6: You know, it was like, I don't think he realizes
Speaker 6: that he's an actual rookie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't care.
Speaker 6: He does seem like he's having a lot of fun,
Speaker 6: and I'm having a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Our guy, au Haanio swore a.
Speaker 6: Hit a nice bomb during Sunday's game when we're at
Speaker 6: that one.
Speaker 1: It went way passed us into the moon. I don't know.
Speaker 6: I guess the new home run dance is like the
Speaker 6: six to seventh thing, because that's what Suarez was doing.
Speaker 6: I'm like, okay, our celebration has gone from the Viking
Speaker 6: to the money gun.
Speaker 1: Now we're six.
Speaker 3: Seven okay, and Gino eleven strikeouts one home run. That's
Speaker 3: good enough.
Speaker 1: That's what we need.
Speaker 6: That's why we brought him back for that one year contract.
Speaker 3: Basically, I was exposed to my wife the other night
Speaker 3: and go, what does he do?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 3: He strikes out a lot, Well, then why is he
Speaker 3: on the twice ball because he.
Speaker 1: Can hit mombs every now and then.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So basically what happens is he hits what if
Speaker 3: he's in the math mass on this one, All you
Speaker 3: gotta do is hit one home run. This see a
Speaker 3: three game series the rest. That's what he's doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome back, Adam done. That's all as long as
Speaker 1: he can get it done.
Speaker 6: And he is the reason, the biggest reason for that
Speaker 6: win on Sunday. So that's why they were able to
Speaker 6: win that first series. I'm putting all of that on Gino.
Speaker 6: And at the end during that uh press or, I
Speaker 6: guess he was in the interview with Jim Day and
Speaker 6: he goes, have a good night, gem Gene.
Speaker 1: I love Sorez. He's my favorite.
Speaker 3: Sarah LEAs is here. This is the outside pitch on
Speaker 3: seven hundred W. Inside pitch starts at about eleven thirty
Speaker 3: and we've got red spaceball today. It's Cincinnati and Pittsburgh
Speaker 3: fingers crossed over. The weather got some nasty stuff on
Speaker 3: the horizon here like in the one o'clock hour, but
Speaker 3: again it changes it. Since he who.
Speaker 6: Knows who knows, just give us a solid two and
Speaker 6: a half hours, we should be able to get in
Speaker 6: and get out.
Speaker 1: I mean with this pitching matchup could be really cool.
Speaker 3: We're going to the game today.
Speaker 1: I'll be there today.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 1: How long How in the moon sun.
Speaker 3: Deep hours did it take you to put on your makeup?
Speaker 3: And how she will make because you take seven hours.
Speaker 1: To trust me? Slony it's worse if I don't wear.
Speaker 3: It, but within thirty minutes of being out in this weather,
Speaker 3: it's gonna I don't even care. I don't well take
Speaker 3: hundreds of dollars in flesh.
Speaker 6: My makeup doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what I look
Speaker 6: like last. All that matters is what's trending on social media.
Speaker 3: Have you seen the Instagram pictures of Sarah? For God's sake,
Speaker 3: what's what's wrong with that? I'm just saying, it's like, dude,
Speaker 3: so it looks like you're not wearing makeup, that you're
Speaker 3: not all put together everything.
Speaker 6: I don't want to see me without it. It's way worse.
Speaker 6: It's bad with it, it's even worse. She looks more
Speaker 6: like Jim Gray Jim Day than maybe Jim Gray too.
Speaker 1: Really, I look like Jim like Jim.
Speaker 3: Day without makeup. Thanks, but there's hope for Jim Day
Speaker 3: then too, if you just put a little work in.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's there are so many comments.
Speaker 6: I'm just gonna let him go because when we're here
Speaker 6: to talk about what's trending on social media? Since Nice Sports,
Speaker 6: the Reds City Connect Jerseys. The Reds put that out
Speaker 6: yesterday on their social media. They said coming soon, so
Speaker 6: we got to see some reactions from the players. We
Speaker 6: talked about our guy Sal Stewart.
Speaker 1: He called them mad Aura, mad Aura. He walked and
Speaker 1: he said, mad Aura.
Speaker 6: Okay, how the door keep But I'm gonna let it
Speaker 6: go because it's su Stewart. They said coming soon. That's
Speaker 6: all we know.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 1: There have been some leaks out there.
Speaker 6: On social media, and these New City Connect jerseys are
Speaker 6: red and they've got.
Speaker 1: Like the Sea. It's all white and it's got like
Speaker 1: the Connect look to it. I think they are fun.
Speaker 6: I hope they pair them with red pants if that
Speaker 6: is indeed the actual New City Connect jersey.
Speaker 3: Is that why you're wearing your old City Connect gear today?
Speaker 3: I just want I just.
Speaker 6: Picked out whatever, I picked out, whatever was comfortable on
Speaker 6: babysitting dogs this week. It's got hair all over it.
Speaker 6: I don't even care. I'm not I just want to
Speaker 6: go see my team win today.
Speaker 3: I will say the hat. I'm not a fan of
Speaker 3: the sea on the hat.
Speaker 1: I love the Sea. I love the Connects sea.
Speaker 3: But I love the black jersey. Looks amazing.
Speaker 6: They're so slick. We'll see those appear for the first
Speaker 6: time this season. Next Friday night when the Reds are
Speaker 6: back in town and for the first postgame fireworks show.
Speaker 6: So all right good, but yeah, a lot of the players,
Speaker 6: their reactions are saying things like, yeah, these are sick,
Speaker 6: sweet clean.
Speaker 1: I don't know, all right, I think it'll look cool.
Speaker 1: You can't go wrong with red, black and white, honestly.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we've got that. We've got a good like color
Speaker 6: scheme going on here. So all right, there you go,
Speaker 6: all right, what else we got going on?
Speaker 1: The one bright spot in last night's game was the
Speaker 1: Tito speedo. Oh what I don't know if you were
Speaker 1: watching the broadcast, but you.
Speaker 3: Can't watch the broadc I gotta I guess it's ninety
Speaker 3: nine bucks for that. That's hundred bucks for the MLB, not.
Speaker 1: If you have Altifiber.
Speaker 6: Got to show ALTI Fiber and love glad I've got it.
Speaker 1: Sucks to be you because I got to see the
Speaker 1: Tito's speed out.
Speaker 6: But yeah, last night they were talking about how Tyler
Speaker 6: Stevenson walked into Tito's office the other day wearing like
Speaker 6: a robe and and He's like, hey man, we got
Speaker 6: to talk about something.
Speaker 1: And Tito's like, yeah, what's up? And he like opened
Speaker 1: up the robe and like, Tito Oliver is underwear.
Speaker 4: But.
Speaker 3: Because you can get the socks of it, so funny.
Speaker 1: So silly. I don't understand any of it, but it's
Speaker 1: just funny, he said. He laughed.
Speaker 6: But I guess at first he was a little nervous,
Speaker 6: like Tyler was very serious and he's like, yeah, like,
Speaker 6: what's up man, I'm thinking that maybe there was.
Speaker 1: An injury, Like, oh no, here we go, because.
Speaker 6: We know that Tyler's dealt with plenty of those before.
Speaker 6: But no, it was Tito's head all over his crutch.
Speaker 6: You know, Sincey's shirts is going to try to.
Speaker 1: Get in on that.
Speaker 6: Everybody one of those outside of my chains with the
Speaker 6: jersey cute. Okay, moving on to football. Do we have
Speaker 6: time for a little quick football star?
Speaker 1: Oh gosh.
Speaker 6: So Andrew Whitworth weighing in on how the Bengals can
Speaker 6: get better. And this is no surprise, we all know this,
Speaker 6: uh so, he said, I think the biggest problem has
Speaker 6: always been not being able to bring in the kind
Speaker 6: of guys that draft.
Speaker 1: Well, there you go, that's all it is, draft better
Speaker 1: and so and Whitworth.
Speaker 3: So we remedy that by just having the same people
Speaker 3: the draft.
Speaker 1: Yes, it looks like nothing will change.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, we got to get lucky.
Speaker 6: He's undone, Andrew Andrew Whitworth said, a franchise like Cincinnati,
Speaker 6: let's be real, they're not gonna live in a trade
Speaker 6: world and they're not going to overpay guys. So guess what,
Speaker 6: You're gonna have to draft well, and when you don't,
Speaker 6: the entire team suffers. And that's why it's been a
Speaker 6: big problem. That is all according to our guy, Andrew Whitworth.
Speaker 6: And of course, the draft starts on April twenty third.
Speaker 6: The Bengals pick tenth.
Speaker 3: Overall, tenth overall.
Speaker 6: Number ten, number tenumber hoping for a good one. I
Speaker 6: don't have any reason to believe that this would be a.
Speaker 3: Successful So there's no hope.
Speaker 1: That's right, there's I mean, it's there's always next year.
Speaker 3: You're okay, we're not going to spend a little bit,
Speaker 3: so we're gonna put a lot of resources in the
Speaker 3: front office and the scouting and all the Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: we really need to we really need to hit hit
Speaker 3: it up now, because.
Speaker 1: Someone should tell Joe Burrow to come back from La.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Almost time to go, baby.
Speaker 3: Sara release. It's a snort report every Wednesday morning. You
Speaker 3: can find her back in her hole and one of
Speaker 3: two seven EBN tomorrow morning. Yes, and she's going to
Speaker 3: the game right now. Look for her in section. Where
Speaker 3: are you going to be a score? Can't say?
Speaker 1: Can you in a fancy suite like you to be bothered?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 6: I slum it with my uh my hot dog in
Speaker 6: the in the outfield.
Speaker 1: Hold wet, wet dogs today.
Speaker 3: Dogs, it's wet dog day.
Speaker 6: Are hopefully we can get this matchup in because it's
Speaker 6: gonna be a really good one watching Paul Skeins and
Speaker 6: Andrew Rabbit.
Speaker 3: All Right, Andrew Rabbit, we'll get to see him.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 3: And Paul Sken's got rocked by Detroit. I believe it
Speaker 3: was Detroit.
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm blaming his defense.
Speaker 6: This dude suck, which is era of like a seventy
Speaker 6: six sixty.
Speaker 3: Seven and a half sixty seven point five era with
Speaker 3: one strike up that continues today.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Paul Skins is like, I'm just trying to get
Speaker 6: the heck out of Pittsburgh and get my way into
Speaker 6: some pinstripes.
Speaker 3: A chance to we'll see anyway. That is a matchup.
Speaker 3: Twelve forty first pitch of course, the inside pitch. Right
Speaker 3: after this update on the home of the Red seven
Speaker 3: hundred WLWD Cincinnati,