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Speaker 1: Welcome back. Roll along our number three ESBN fifteen thirty

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati Sports station. Let's go to the University of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: Let's head to Clifton. Our guy, Bob man Jean with

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Speaker 1: the University of Cincinnati and novacare standing by as we

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Speaker 1: get to talk to Bob each and every week. Bob

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Speaker 1: man Geen, what's going on, Buddy, Tony?

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Speaker 2: How are you doing?

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Speaker 3: You and Austin having a good week.

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Speaker 1: It's a good week, been great. It was made even better,

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Speaker 1: Bob because the University of Cincinnati, they got off to schneid,

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Speaker 1: they get their first big twelve win and now maybe

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Speaker 1: get a little bit of confidence and get the ball

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Speaker 1: rolling into Iowa State tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we kids played really well and everybody's pretty

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Speaker 2: excited about getting that win. Now we just kind of

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Speaker 2: put them together.

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Speaker 1: I thought about you very early in the week, Bob

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Speaker 1: and Mike Tomlin deciding to step down with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 1: Where do you go from there? Nineteen winning seasons, never

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Speaker 1: had a losing season, did Mike Tomlin? Where where do

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Speaker 1: you turn now? If you're the Pittsburgh Steelers in the

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Speaker 1: head coaching search?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think you're looking for somebody with experience in

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Speaker 2: the playoffs, you know what I mean. It's like, you know,

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Speaker 2: you've got to be able to win playoff games. It's

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Speaker 2: one thing to have nineteen winning seasons and that's all

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Speaker 2: well and good, but you know, it's just like college sports.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's not just about making the playoffs. It's

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Speaker 2: winning some games in the playoffs. And you know again

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Speaker 2: now that you have when it's going to be next year,

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Speaker 2: sixteen teams in college football playoffs next year from twelve,

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Speaker 2: and it's not just going to be the coaches who

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Speaker 2: can you know, get their team into the playoffs. It's

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Speaker 2: going to be coaches who can put some games together,

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Speaker 2: just like the NCAA tournament where you've got to put

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Speaker 2: six games together in order to you know, to win

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Speaker 2: it all. So, yeah, there's winning seasons and then there's

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Speaker 2: tournament seasons or bowl seasons. But at the same time,

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Speaker 2: at some point, you know, coaches are based on, you know,

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Speaker 2: what they do once you get them in a position

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Speaker 2: to get in the playoffs. And you know, in today's

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Speaker 2: world of you know, revenue sharing in IL, I think

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Speaker 2: the pressure has gotten even more so the college level,

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Speaker 2: but certainly being from Pittsburgh. I was not I'll say

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Speaker 2: this probably I'm not overly upset that Mike Tomlin is

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Speaker 2: not there anymore.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious because I was listening to West Miller's post

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Speaker 1: game and he was just talking about the grind that

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Speaker 1: is the Big twelve slate, not only the amount of

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Speaker 1: games you're playing and how often you're playing in multiple

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Speaker 1: games per week, but just the competition alone. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you look at at UC right now getting ready to

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Speaker 1: go through a set of games, or you're playing the

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Speaker 1: number one and number two team in the country, respectively.

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Speaker 1: So to me, we often talk about rest, we often

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Speaker 1: talk about recovery. We've not really shined a light yet

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Speaker 1: though on the advancements in recovery and treatments. And I

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Speaker 1: think back to when I was at the University of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: It was stem ice heat and you kind of made

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Speaker 1: that rotation as we were working through different injuries. And

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Speaker 1: I know you guys still utilize that, but there have

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Speaker 1: been so many advancements and you guys have now so

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Speaker 1: much more equipment that is at these athletes disposal. Go

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Speaker 1: into a little bit about the variation of what these

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Speaker 1: athletes have at their disposal. When you talk about rest

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Speaker 1: and recovery and treatment.

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Speaker 2: When you look at the field of physical therapy and

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Speaker 2: the feld of athletic training, so much as evolved in

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Speaker 2: the last ten years fifteen years. Technologically, yeah, we still

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Speaker 2: have our basic electrical stem that now you turn on

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Speaker 2: for what kind of current you want to use, from

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Speaker 2: pre moduling and current. So it's not like you know

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Speaker 2: when you played when hey, you turn the machine on,

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Speaker 2: a little bit. Nowadays we have different parameters based on

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Speaker 2: and my post surgery, so that you know, physio therapy

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Speaker 2: but you also still have things like ultrason units. In

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Speaker 2: today's world and athletics, one of the things we've shifted

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Speaker 3: What we call shockwave machines.

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Speaker 2: These machines provide a little pulsing shock through the soft tissue.

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Speaker 2: So if you have like chronic planner fasciiis if you

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Speaker 2: have chronic patellar tendinopathy, if you have chronic tennis elbow.

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Speaker 2: The Europeans years ago have been used in shockwave and

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Speaker 2: it's finally caught on in this country and even in

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Speaker 2: them with good result in chronic patholo or even in

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Speaker 2: some cases where you know you have a bone issue,

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Speaker 2: like I said, you still have the option for ultrasound,

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Speaker 2: which has been a staple within the physiotherapy market. But

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Speaker 2: when you start talking recovery and like, for example, I

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Speaker 2: you know, we immediately started putting him.

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Speaker 3: In the float tank. The float tank.

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Speaker 2: In the city of Cincinnati, there's like three or four

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Speaker 2: float salons now. The float tank is a water based

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Speaker 2: basically you literally, like it sounds, you float and it's

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Speaker 2: like being floating in the dead sea. One hour sleep

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Speaker 2: in a float tank equals four hours of rem sleep.

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Speaker 2: So if you want to talk about a recovery modality,

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Speaker 2: it's a great recovery modality after injury. And right now,

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Speaker 2: for example, I've got two guys specifically that that floats

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Speaker 2: pretty frequently because it calms them down. It calms muscle

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Speaker 2: tissue down. And then in the last five years we've

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Speaker 2: Force Base in josh Hagen using red light therapy, and

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Speaker 2: now red light is big in basketball. We got a

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Speaker 2: We've got a four bed which is literally like it

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Speaker 2: sounds a bad, it looks like a suntanning bad. That's

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Speaker 2: all red light and red light is shown to improve

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Speaker 2: mitochondrial reaction within soft tissue and the Navy CEOs use them.

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Speaker 2: US Track and Field WWE has ten of mountain or

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Speaker 2: one training facility in which you can use the red

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Speaker 2: light pre practice and then you can use the red

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Speaker 2: light post practice and it helps reduce the effect of

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Speaker 2: the effect on the muscle. So you're getting more and

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Speaker 2: more options within our field for recovery but also injury management.

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Speaker 2: And we're seeing like right now, we went out and

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Speaker 2: I now have a hyperbaric chamber. So everybody remembers years ago.

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Speaker 2: After looking at some data, well, no, two summers ago,

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, after looking at some data, we decided to

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Speaker 2: try Hyperbaraer chamber. And now I've got three guys who

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Speaker 2: used the Hyperbearer chamber probably every you know, three or

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Speaker 2: patients with recovery, athletes who are trying to recover from

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Speaker 2: the next game. And like I said, the fear of

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Speaker 2: physical therapy has really evolved, and that's one of the

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Speaker 2: reasons in a select medical slash novacare system, we have

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Speaker 2: started to look at centers that are specifically designed for

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Speaker 2: sports and athletes, so that you know, we have certified

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Speaker 2: clinics now that you know predominantly do a lot of

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Speaker 2: Abby and Jason and Jim just do a great job.

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Speaker 2: You know, Danny does a great job down on the

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Speaker 2: really like Shockwave that it's been a big game changer

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Speaker 2: for us. And then lastly there's laser Hot Laser high

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Speaker 2: level laser, again another European product that we've evolved over

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Speaker 2: the bottom line is lasers have found it being very,

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Speaker 2: very beneficial when it comes to soft tissue healing. They

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Speaker 2: they also will help with like and you know, ligament injuries,

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Speaker 2: tendon injuries, for recovery. So we have it's so much

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Speaker 2: different with so many options in the timing of when

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Speaker 2: you do them, but the fewer of ficial therapy has

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Speaker 1: Especially I know cryotherapy is popping up everywhere right now

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Speaker 1: the intense cold but for those Bob that don't have

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Speaker 1: access at the collegiate level or the facility level. I

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Speaker 1: don't think, you know, for the high school athlete, you

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Speaker 1: can't go wrong either with just heat and ice. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know that it's old school, but at the same time,

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Speaker 1: the benefits of high school athletes going through the rigors

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Speaker 1: of a season and quick turnarounds, heat and ice still

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Speaker 2: Well, that's just it is some of the basics we

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Speaker 2: still do, Tony. I mean, after practice, the kids still

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Speaker 2: contrast hot tub, cold tub, hot tub cold tub. You know,

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Speaker 2: I'm a high school kid and my legs were getting sore.

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Speaker 2: You know, go home, fill the bathroom bathtub up with

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Speaker 2: then when you're done, stretch. So the biggest thing the

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Speaker 2: got home from practice, they'd be in the cold tub

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Speaker 2: some ice, drain that out, and then convert it over

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Speaker 2: to absent salt for about eight minutes and then get

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Speaker 2: out and you get And here's what everybody can buy,

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Speaker 2: but they won't do it because it's work. Everybody can

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Speaker 2: buy a rubber band for stretching, a stretch band. You

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Speaker 2: can buy them in Amazon. You can buy a foam

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Speaker 2: roller for nineteen ninety five on Amazon, a good foam roller.

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Speaker 2: Get your butt down on the floor and foam roll

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Speaker 2: and stretch after you do the Epsen salt soak. People

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Speaker 2: don't want to do that, you know. Now they open

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Speaker 2: up stretch labs. And that's how lazy the American society

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Speaker 2: has gotten. Is get your butt on the floor and

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Speaker 2: stretch and roll, but do the Efpsen salt soak first,

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Speaker 2: or you know, do the cold tub by a high

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Speaker 2: school kid, that's what they'd be doing every day after practice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Bob Manjeen from the University of Cincinnati and novacare

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Speaker 1: awesome stuff. Bob as always, thank you for your time

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Speaker 1: and good luck tomorrow. Get a win against the cyclones.

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Speaker 4: Hey, we're getting ramped up here at twelve thirty and

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Speaker 4: get ready to you know, game plan and get our

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Speaker 4: strategy z in so coach Miller is really in his

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Speaker 4: staff and done a great job in the last you know,

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Speaker 4: last couple of years, and we're gonna give it a shot.

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Speaker 3: Tony.

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Speaker 4: I love it.

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Speaker 1: I love it, Bob.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk next week.

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Speaker 3: Kana mar Tony, thanks weekend, Austin.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Bob.

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Speaker 3: And I'm still not a Mike Tomlin fan.

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Speaker 1: That is Bob man Jean, the University of Cincinnati and Novacare.

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Speaker 1: Novacare the power of physical therapy. We'll be back plenty

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