WEBVTT - Suing for Alienation of Affection

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<v Speaker 1>You're listenings KFI AM six forty The bill handles show

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<v Speaker 1>on demand on the iHeartRadio f This is handle on

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<v Speaker 1>the law marginal legal advice where I tell you you

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<v Speaker 1>have absolutely no case. Oh man, is this a fun one?

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<v Speaker 1>This is out of North Carolina. Now, North Carolina is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the few states in the United States that

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<v Speaker 1>allow jilted spouses to sue someone for interfering in the marriage.

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<v Speaker 1>California does not. Most states do not. You can interfere

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<v Speaker 1>all you want in someone's marriage. Consenting adults can do

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<v Speaker 1>anything they want married not married.

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<v Speaker 2>Sex, no sex doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 1>However, California or North Carolina allows jilted spouses to sue,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>This is out of Durham. This North Carolina woman.

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<v Speaker 1>Has sued and will receive one point seventy five million

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<v Speaker 1>dollars because the jury found the woman liable for destroying

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<v Speaker 1>the couple's marriage. Okay, so lawsuit filed accusing Brene Kennard.

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<v Speaker 1>And she's an influencer on TikTok with three million followers

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred and seventy four followers on Instagram. The meantime,

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<v Speaker 1>what she is accused of is seducing and having an

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<v Speaker 1>affair with her manager, and the jury found her liable

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<v Speaker 1>for criminal conversation. Is what they call it an alienation

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<v Speaker 1>of affection. Basically, I had a good relationship, a good marriage.

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<v Speaker 1>You came in, you stole my spouse, and here I

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<v Speaker 1>am having been jilted. The emotional damage, the financial hit,

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<v Speaker 1>and so the jury found her liable what they call

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<v Speaker 1>criminal conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>Alienation of affection.

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<v Speaker 1>That someone can be blamed for an affair that ends

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<v Speaker 1>marriage and you know the damages, mental anguish, damage to

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<v Speaker 1>her health, depriving her children of a two parent household,

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<v Speaker 1>and it goes on and on and on. Now California

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't allow this, but one of the fun fun causes

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<v Speaker 1>of action in California is a loss of consortium, which

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<v Speaker 1>means that if you've done something to me and your

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<v Speaker 1>negligent and I no longer can have sex or have

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<v Speaker 1>a good relationship with my wife, you can be sued

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<v Speaker 1>by my wife. It's not my lawsuit against you, it's

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<v Speaker 1>loss of consortium. She in this case, she has lost

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<v Speaker 1>her ability to have a relationship with me, be it

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<v Speaker 1>sexual or otherwise, as a result of your wrongdoing. Usually

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<v Speaker 1>this happens in car cases, car accidents and loss of consortium.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't fly very often because keep in mind, you've

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<v Speaker 1>got a jury that's trying to figure out what the

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<v Speaker 1>damages are with loss of consortium, and you've got someone

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<v Speaker 1>on that jury, inevitably some old guy who goes, hey.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't gotten laid in five years. I'm gonna give

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<v Speaker 2>her money.

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<v Speaker 1>For that great case out of North Carolina. Right, love

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<v Speaker 1>it alienation of affection. Let's take some phone calls. All right, Bob, Hello, Bob, welcome.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi Bob.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm Bill. You're Bob.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, two questions for you. I'll try to doing

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<v Speaker 3>one quick. I we're going to food processing plant. And

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<v Speaker 3>you know, if you make things that are organic, you

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<v Speaker 3>get to bump the price up quite a bit. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a scam.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, everything that says organic as a scam. I just

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<v Speaker 1>to let you know, no one knows what organic means.

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<v Speaker 2>Bob.

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<v Speaker 3>No, there's it's it's it's tangled web of regulations.

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<v Speaker 2>No I believe it. No, Bob, No, I believe it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not arguing that.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I'm saying is organic it's a huge amount.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not so much a scam.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just the people can charge more money than they

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<v Speaker 1>do and it's yes, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Agree it's a scam because they say it's certified. Oh

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<v Speaker 3>it's a scam any Anyway, what I'm saying is that

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<v Speaker 3>we're self regulated, and I want to know, is it

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<v Speaker 3>illegal for me to tape videotape? No and go to

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<v Speaker 3>a lawyer.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you can, well it's private property. I mean they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to throw you out obviously me. Yeah, of course

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<v Speaker 1>you will. And then you do a whistleblower. But no

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<v Speaker 1>lawyer is going to take it that I know. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you You're gonna assume him it's a class

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's a class action suit. Could be because you've

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<v Speaker 1>got enough enough plaintiffs out there who have bought it.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it a big company, Yes it is. Okay, then

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I would do.

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<v Speaker 1>I would take it to a class action law firm

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<v Speaker 1>and you can look it up and ask them what

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<v Speaker 1>to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Because if you really want to do any website, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think I have any class action lawyers. You can look.

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<v Speaker 1>You can go to handle on the law dot com

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<v Speaker 1>and say are there any class action lawyers on there?

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<v Speaker 1>Because the fellow that runs at mark Is is a

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<v Speaker 1>phenomenal lawyer. He does personal injury and he's the one

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<v Speaker 1>that runs the entire website and you can just ask

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<v Speaker 1>do you have any class action lawsuits?

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<v Speaker 2>Lawyers?

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<v Speaker 3>The second quick, second quick question is is so last

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<v Speaker 3>week I went bar association and they give me a

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<v Speaker 3>three thirty minute lawyer talk. Okay, he gave hand advice.

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<v Speaker 3>You just did. And except that, is that privileged? You've

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<v Speaker 3>not in pay for it?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, of course it's privileged.

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<v Speaker 1>It's still a lawyer. Whether you pay for a lawyer

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<v Speaker 1>or not. Any conversation with your lawyer is privileged. So

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<v Speaker 1>the payment part has nothing to do with the privilege

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<v Speaker 1>attorney client privilege.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, I was I was told that you had

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<v Speaker 3>to have a retainer for it.

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<v Speaker 2>DEVI no, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 1>Even advice, even advice, just straight out advice is privileged.

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<v Speaker 2>So I wouldn't worry about it.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to really nail your that company and

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<v Speaker 1>not a matter of fact, you could just quit and

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<v Speaker 1>not worry about retaliation or whatever and then go to

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<v Speaker 1>the lawyers and go what do I do? And if

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<v Speaker 1>there is evidence and you have it, say you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to do Okay, you'll be a lead plaintiff. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>right now, all you can do is try to shut

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<v Speaker 1>him down, because what are your damages?

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<v Speaker 3>Bob?

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<v Speaker 2>You're not damaged by working there. Do you see what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, not damage, but you know, forcing me to lie.

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<v Speaker 2>No, they're not. You can quit damage. No they're not.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not forcing you to lie. They're not holding a

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<v Speaker 2>gun to your head.

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<v Speaker 1>They're simply saying, here's what you want you to say,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, and you say it's a lie, and they go, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a lie. Or if you think it's a lie,

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<v Speaker 1>then quit. They're not forcing you to do anything. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's no.

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<v Speaker 2>Gun to the head. This is handle on the law.

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<v Speaker 1>This is handle on the law marginal legal advice where

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<v Speaker 1>I tell you you have absolutely no case.

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<v Speaker 2>Dennis, Hello, Dennis, Yeah, sure up. Welcome to handle on

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<v Speaker 2>the law.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay. So I had a property grant need it to

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<v Speaker 4>me by a guy that was about to lose it

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<v Speaker 4>to uh going up for auction due to unpaid property taxes.

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<v Speaker 4>So he was granted it to me before it was

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<v Speaker 4>it was it was also grant needed to him. So

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<v Speaker 4>when I gave it to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait a minute, hold on a minute, hold wha, wha, wha,

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<v Speaker 2>wha wha. Wait a minute, I'm a little confused here.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, he is the owner and he's about to lose it,

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<v Speaker 1>so he grant needs it to you correct?

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<v Speaker 3>Correct?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so where is he? So who grant needed it

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<v Speaker 2>to him?

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<v Speaker 4>Another guy that owned the property, Okay, go about to

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<v Speaker 4>lose it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, so it goes from one guy who's about

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<v Speaker 1>to lose it to another guy who's about to lose it,

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<v Speaker 1>and you end up with it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, and I've paid the property taxes and I'm preparing

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<v Speaker 4>to list it and letter comes back. He goes, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>it's a cloudy title. You know, there's there's notary fraud.

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<v Speaker 4>We need to clear this up so I can have

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<v Speaker 4>something with an underwriter. I don't remember exactly, but it

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<v Speaker 4>has to be cleared up.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>So they hire they hire somebody to find these two

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<v Speaker 4>guys and go, hey, give us your social so we

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<v Speaker 4>can verify that you have no lians or anything against you,

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<v Speaker 4>because apparently if you have a lean they can come

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<v Speaker 4>after and take the property for me. Or satisfied that

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<v Speaker 4>they can't, mean, yeah they can. So the first guy

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<v Speaker 4>was fine, we got a social he had nothing on him.

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<v Speaker 4>The second guy wouldn't cooperate at all, and so how

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<v Speaker 4>did I say this?

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<v Speaker 3>The very first.

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<v Speaker 4>Guy involved in this process is the one that wouldn't cooperate.

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<v Speaker 4>So they go, Hey, we don't even need his full

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<v Speaker 4>social we already have his full name. We just need

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<v Speaker 4>the last four. Guy won't give me the last four

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<v Speaker 4>of his social site, said screw it, Okay, I just

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<v Speaker 4>gave him four.

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<v Speaker 1>Gave him Dennis, did you, by the way, did you

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<v Speaker 1>end up paying for this property?

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<v Speaker 4>Well? I haven't. No, I'd paid nothing for it other

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<v Speaker 4>than paying for the property taxes.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So why did he So? Why did he give

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<v Speaker 2>it to you?

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<v Speaker 4>He just wanted to get out of it?

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<v Speaker 2>What is it? What is is? What is is your

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<v Speaker 2>relationship with you?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh? He is a friend of a business partner of mine.

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<v Speaker 4>That's sort of it's it's kind of a long story,

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<v Speaker 4>but he felt somewhat intimidated to get out of that party.

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<v Speaker 2>Jenness.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, by the way, to let you know, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not legal to dat a property.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, just to avert taxes.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh that that can be unraveled in two seconds.

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<v Speaker 2>Was there title insurance on this?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, that's the whole purpose clearing up the cloudy title.

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<v Speaker 4>So I've already paid all the property taxes to.

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<v Speaker 1>Was there was there was their title insurance when you

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<v Speaker 1>walked in and took title?

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<v Speaker 2>Was there title insurance? Was there a policy in place?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, now you so you've clearly been defrauded.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, somebody lied about something throughout that process. Uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>you have something that can be unraveled in two seconds.

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<v Speaker 4>Because even though even though now the realtor says, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>we're listing it, we've we've cleared everything up with this

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<v Speaker 4>underwriter and this title insurance.

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<v Speaker 1>If he's if he's cleared everything up and there's no

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<v Speaker 1>one going to grab it, you're home free.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the problem.

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<v Speaker 4>It's based on an inaccurate social So because the original

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<v Speaker 4>guy that did the first grant, he wouldn't give me

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<v Speaker 4>his social right.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So you sue him, uh and part of the industry,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you you bring him in, ask for a deposition, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>ask the world documents.

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<v Speaker 4>What I'm saying is I made up four numbers and

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<v Speaker 4>I gave it to this title insurance company, and they go, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>this guy, these are the numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, us on him credit. You made up those numbers, right, Dennis. Yeah, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's fraud.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, that's fraud on my part.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>So even though the title insurance company did their search.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me tell you.

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't get let me give you here is

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<v Speaker 1>if it goes through and the title transfers to you,

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<v Speaker 1>then I guess you just shut up and you got

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<v Speaker 1>away with it.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 5>And then so what if now I'm going to sell

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<v Speaker 5>this property. So if I sell it, somebody buys it,

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<v Speaker 5>and then four months down the road, some creditor comes

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<v Speaker 5>back because of that original grand deed?

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<v Speaker 3>Does this all get brought.

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<v Speaker 4>Back to me? H?

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<v Speaker 2>Creditorsues you?

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<v Speaker 4>Or because because the title insurance company assumed that everything's fine,

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<v Speaker 4>the social has no priority.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't See I don't understand what the what the

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<v Speaker 1>title company has to do with social security numbers. They

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<v Speaker 1>just look, see who has title? If it's you, it's you.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, no, it's something that's something that had to do

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<v Speaker 5>with clearing up the closs.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand, but clear I don't understand where social security

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<v Speaker 1>numbers have to do with clearing up, uh, the transfer

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<v Speaker 1>unless it's not that person who transferred and it so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you got, you know, you got to mess on your hands.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't even know where to go with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I lied, and then the other guy lied, and we.

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<v Speaker 1>Did this to avert taxes and basically we're cheating the

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<v Speaker 1>tax authorities by moving it twice. Yeah, that doesn't sound

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<v Speaker 1>particularly good.

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<v Speaker 2>Natalie, Hello, Natalie, welcome.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>I have a question regarding solar channel. Three years back,

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<v Speaker 7>with one company we signed up. The salesperson promised us

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<v Speaker 7>some money and then they installed the panel on three

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<v Speaker 7>years back, one Monday, and then he said Friday he

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<v Speaker 7>will bring the money. And then Friday I called him.

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<v Speaker 7>He didn't response. After a week, different solar company called us.

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<v Speaker 7>Then they said this company sold.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that doesn't matter. That doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter because if company sells or buys, you

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<v Speaker 1>bought all the liabilities too. Do you have the promise

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<v Speaker 1>to return four thousand dollars to you in writing?

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<v Speaker 7>That's what he texted me, like money something. We texted everything,

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<v Speaker 7>all the proof to the.

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<v Speaker 1>Person with Okay, Natalie, let me ask you again, is

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<v Speaker 1>the promise to send you four thousand dollars in writing? No?

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<v Speaker 7>Only text? They said, that's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, text is different. Hold on, hold on.

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<v Speaker 1>So the text from the company says, we will pay

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<v Speaker 1>you four thousand dollars. Correct, Yeah, the salesperson did, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and texted you that you're going to get four thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dollars back. Yeah, okay, take them a small claims course,

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<v Speaker 1>four thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 7>So then the new company, we send.

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<v Speaker 8>All the proof.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah matter, you sue the new You sue the

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<v Speaker 1>new company, doesn't matter, Just sue them for four thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>And you bring and you bring the text, and you

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<v Speaker 2>bring the.

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<v Speaker 1>Text from uh, the old company, uh, from the salesperson.

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<v Speaker 1>And the text was way later. Was it just before

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<v Speaker 1>the company was sold? Yeah, okay, that's that's a little

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<v Speaker 1>problematic because there's nothing in writing that says beforehand.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just just before the company is sold.

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<v Speaker 1>The salesperson gets you get four thousand dollars here. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he could have sent you anything. You could have said

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<v Speaker 1>fifty thousand dollars. There's nothing in the original contract. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you can sue for four thousand. But you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>new company's going to say, hey, this guy wasn't authorized

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<v Speaker 1>to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>He just did it. And it's after the fact, and

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't part of the deal.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's the contract that shows, all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 1>you come up with, Well, he promised me four thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dollars three years later.

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<v Speaker 2>That's going to be tough. That's going to be tough.

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<v Speaker 7>But I have a diffare I have a question? And

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<v Speaker 7>they we sent all the information and then they said

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<v Speaker 7>we will contact you for one of our years. Nobody

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<v Speaker 7>called officer and somebody called. We didn't get the connection yet.

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<v Speaker 7>I told them, no, I already have the play we

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<v Speaker 7>also okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't understand. So they promised to call you and

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't call you.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, one of the d Okay, what is that?

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<v Speaker 2>What does that? What does that have to do with

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<v Speaker 2>owing you four thousand dollars?

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<v Speaker 7>No, they said. I told them we have some problem

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<v Speaker 7>with the primary resident. They are not taking care of that.

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<v Speaker 7>So we told them all these issues has to be

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<v Speaker 7>done before the author is to give the connections. And

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<v Speaker 7>after three years now my tenants they don't want because

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<v Speaker 7>they are getting good.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, I mean it doesn't it doesn't matter if

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<v Speaker 1>they want or not. Who turns down a solar system outside?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the tenants can't say no, I'm not turning down,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a solar system, because that doesn't make an issue.

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<v Speaker 7>They don't want to pay I have to pay for

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<v Speaker 7>my old of course.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to pay for it. These are tenants.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, why should they pay for you installing a

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<v Speaker 1>solar system?

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<v Speaker 7>Well they wanted We asked them. They said, oh, it's nice, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>we want to. But the three years is there an art?

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<v Speaker 1>Wait a second, yes, it's nice. Did they agree to

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<v Speaker 1>pay for it? Do you have that in writing? No,

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<v Speaker 1>you got nothing, You've got nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. This is Handle on the Law.

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<v Speaker 3>You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM

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<v Speaker 3>six forty.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back, Handle on the Law, Marginal Legal Advice.

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<v Speaker 2>Emily. Hello, Emily, welcome.

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<v Speaker 4>I know how are you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, ma'am? What can I do for you?

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<v Speaker 8>I'm seeing my doctor from malpractice, okay, and I'm writing.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't have a lawyer, and I'm writing the complaint myself,

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<v Speaker 8>and I've done a lot of research about what happened,

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<v Speaker 8>and I know I have a case. The lawyers have

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<v Speaker 8>said I have a case, but it's not economically feasible

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<v Speaker 8>to take the case. So I'm writing the complaint and

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<v Speaker 8>I need to know. I've read a couple of things.

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<v Speaker 8>One about punitive damages, and you can.

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<v Speaker 2>Kiss that one good bye.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh why there's because you have to show malicious intent

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<v Speaker 1>that the doctor wanted to screw you or hurt you,

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<v Speaker 1>or is or had so little experience uh in doing

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<v Speaker 1>the surgery that he had no business ever doing the procedure.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, well it wasn't the surgery.

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<v Speaker 8>It was he described an overdose of a drug for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So he made a mistake. So he made a mistake.

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<v Speaker 8>Wait, wait, there's so much more that was also contraindicated

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<v Speaker 8>for me because of my heart.

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<v Speaker 2>I get it, I understand. So he made it. So

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<v Speaker 2>far he's made mistakes.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, let me just okay, when when when the when

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<v Speaker 8>the saw of sex appeared and and we called I

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<v Speaker 8>called the doctor. I didn't know that it was the

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<v Speaker 8>drug that was causing them. He went after the phone call,

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<v Speaker 8>he went to my medical records and he wrote that

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<v Speaker 8>he stopped the drug.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so he lied.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's punitive damages.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, all right, all right, if you can

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<v Speaker 1>prove that that may go in that may go into

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<v Speaker 1>punitive damages, Okay, that that alone may have crossed the line.

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<v Speaker 2>How badly. Were you damaged?

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<v Speaker 8>I'm still damaged.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you have permanent damage.

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<v Speaker 1>You have permanent damage, and no lawyer will take a

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<v Speaker 1>case when you have a doctor who lied. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>just because he lied doesn't mean that it was where

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<v Speaker 1>the bad faith is? Is him lying about it? How

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<v Speaker 1>is his lying about it change your damages?

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<v Speaker 8>What do you mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, here's what he did.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes and he prescribes the wrong, wrong prescription and

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<v Speaker 1>goes into the medical records, looks at it and said

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<v Speaker 1>I changed you know, or I didn't do it wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, fair enough.

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<v Speaker 1>How does that connect with your damages from his initial

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<v Speaker 1>giving you too much? He's just lying to get out

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<v Speaker 1>of it, is what he's don doing. How does that

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<v Speaker 1>change what happened to you?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, in law, the drug was a dangerous drug for me,

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<v Speaker 8>and so in lying, I ended up having to spend

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<v Speaker 8>weeks of of circe.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, wait a minute, in wait a second in line.

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<v Speaker 1>So he knew that you were going to it's contraindicated.

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<v Speaker 2>He let it happen, and he lied about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, okay, all right, that that may be

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<v Speaker 1>over the line. Okay, So now, uh, when we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about permanent damage?

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<v Speaker 2>What kind of permanent damage?

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<v Speaker 8>It's so it's PTSD kind of damage I have.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that's hard, that's hard. That's really hard. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's hard to prove. No, no, no, no, but.

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<v Speaker 8>I do have I do have a psychiatrist who I've

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<v Speaker 8>talked to now for a year. Well, I've talked about

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<v Speaker 8>this with and she has I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if you have a psychiatrist, you can talk about

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<v Speaker 1>how damaged you are with PTSD and you have that

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<v Speaker 1>much proof.

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<v Speaker 2>Of a doctor.

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<v Speaker 1>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>How did know? How does no lawyer pick that up?

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<v Speaker 1>Because you if you're talking forever damage, you have a psychiatrist.

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<v Speaker 1>It's willing to testify to that.

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<v Speaker 3>That.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, how far is your PTSD? You don't function, You

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<v Speaker 1>can't live your life the way it is. You sound

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<v Speaker 1>to me like a normal person. I mean you're not stuttering.

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<v Speaker 8>So yeah, well, you know, I don't sleep. I can't

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<v Speaker 8>sleep because I have these horrible dreams because I'm unconscious

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<v Speaker 8>for a while, I was unconscious after I took the drug.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah no, I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>Arguing that all right. So how many lawyers have you

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<v Speaker 2>talked to? A lot?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I can't tell you? You know I

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<v Speaker 1>don't do personal injury. It seems to me that you

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<v Speaker 1>would find once. So there has to be something there

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<v Speaker 1>where you saying you saying I don't sleep, I have nightmares.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the psychiatrists can't be psychiatrists can't say you

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<v Speaker 1>are having nightmares. All the psychiatrists can say is you're

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<v Speaker 1>telling me you're having nightmares, right, yeah, and that may

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<v Speaker 1>be the problem out.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know what to tell you.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, you're you're going to have to

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<v Speaker 1>prove you're going to do your own malpractice case.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, it's done.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, it's actually done. I'm just writing the complaint now.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I understand. Uh, you've been. It's been.

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<v Speaker 1>You've gotten someone to certify it medically, right, not you?

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<v Speaker 2>No, you have to.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't file a lawsuit until you have a certification

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<v Speaker 1>by a doctor. They'll toss it right out. They'll toss

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<v Speaker 1>it right out. And you're gonna hire and you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have to bring in experts. So your psychiatrist is going

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<v Speaker 1>to have to sit there and testify, okay, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to bring in their side because they don't roll over.

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<v Speaker 2>And if I don't let me.

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<v Speaker 8>Ask you a question, if she was a doctor's lawyer,

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<v Speaker 8>would you want him to go to a deposition and

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<v Speaker 8>answer the question did you write? Did you write?

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<v Speaker 1>He has no question, he has no choice, so that

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<v Speaker 1>he may just lie. He just may lie on a deposition. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Now what real people, there's no repercussions for that. People think, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>perjuryal No one.

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<v Speaker 2>Pays attention to that. People lie all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>And so in one of the most difficult trial cases

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<v Speaker 1>you can do are medical malpractice cases. I know most

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<v Speaker 1>lawyers wouldn't touch a medical malpractice case because they're so complicated.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're going to argue your own med mail case? Wow, am, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>good luck. Let me know how it goes. I can't wait.

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<v Speaker 8>I will, I will. You know what you should not give?

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<v Speaker 8>You should not get away with this, he could.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand. No, No, I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't, Emily, I don't disagree with you.

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<v Speaker 2>All I'm saying is, uh, you know, for.

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<v Speaker 1>Example, if you go to trial on this, uh, there'll

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<v Speaker 1>be a court reporter there that you have to pay for. Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's thousands of dollars a day. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 1>are in for a lot of money and you're you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be up against someone who has defended medical

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<v Speaker 1>malpractice cases for years and years. I got to oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you're in for it. I mean you're in for a ride.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, good for you for doing that. Huh, Hello, Brenda.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome, Thank you Bill.

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<v Speaker 9>My husband recently passed and he had like three credit

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<v Speaker 9>cards that have outstanding steps still remaining. One of them, well,

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<v Speaker 9>actually two of them. I talked with them and they

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<v Speaker 9>said that I don't need to pay anything now that

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<v Speaker 9>they won't accrue late thees or interest charges and it's

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<v Speaker 9>been turned over to their probate department. I don't know

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<v Speaker 9>what that means.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that means, well, it's probate department. You just have

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<v Speaker 1>a credit card people, right, yes, okay. Probate department is

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<v Speaker 1>the people that deal with exactly what happens dead people

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<v Speaker 1>that have credit card balances who and they can go

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<v Speaker 1>against the estate because the credit card balance is still owed.

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<v Speaker 1>I say, your husband had ten thousand dollars in credit

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<v Speaker 1>card that they're still entitled the ten thousand dollars. And

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<v Speaker 1>what the probate department does is find out is there

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<v Speaker 1>in a state is it because it's a creditor, they're

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<v Speaker 1>a legitimate creditor and they get to find out is

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<v Speaker 1>there money in the estate to pay for it.

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<v Speaker 2>If there isn't much, they just don't even care. They

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<v Speaker 2>write it off. What is the amount of money that's

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<v Speaker 2>owed on these credit cards, Brenda?

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<v Speaker 9>One credit card is twelve thousand, the other two are

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<v Speaker 9>on the list of five.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean twelve thousand.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they may look at it.

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll contact there's going to be a probate open,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming correct, Brenda.

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<v Speaker 9>I don't know what that means.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, the assets that your husband have, is there a

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<v Speaker 1>lawyer handling what the assets are the bank accounts, etc.

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<v Speaker 1>Or is everything in both your names? Where nothing?

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<v Speaker 9>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Well nothing for example, checking accounts, etc. It's all in

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<v Speaker 1>both your names and you're the only one left.

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<v Speaker 9>No, I have my checking account in my name. I

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<v Speaker 9>did add my husband to it, but all of his

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<v Speaker 9>accounts were in his name, and we have our home

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<v Speaker 9>is in a trust and that's all he had.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So how much money in accounts did he have

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<v Speaker 2>in his name?

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<v Speaker 9>About four thousand?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think they're going to write it off.

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<v Speaker 1>You just contact the probate and just say hey, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>his assets are only four thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>This was his debt.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they can argue that they're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're going to be okay on this one.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't worry about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe look up with the word probate means in the dictionary.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe that's the help. This is handle on the law.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back, marginal legal advice where I tell you have

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<v Speaker 1>o case married.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello married, Welcome, Hi. I feel how you doing?

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<v Speaker 3>I have a case of solistational prostitution.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait wait, you have a case of uh wait wait wait,

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<v Speaker 1>solicitation of prostitution.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, sir, okay, so you were a I should have

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<v Speaker 2>called you John instead of married. Is that correct?

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<v Speaker 6>So the recordings, uh, they have tempered with the recordings.

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<v Speaker 6>There's many things. There's a lot of things missing, and

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<v Speaker 6>there's things that I didn't say. So how do I

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<v Speaker 6>go about befriending myself.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a problem because the only recording is theirs And

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<v Speaker 1>you can argue I didn't say that, Well, yeah you did,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the recording, or you edited the recording. I said

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<v Speaker 1>things that are not on the recording. I got to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you, how the hell do you prove a negative. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if you think it's been edited, you can have a

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<v Speaker 1>part of your defense is bring in an audio specialist

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<v Speaker 1>and say this has been edited, and the specialist goes

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<v Speaker 1>in and goes.

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<v Speaker 2>Edit here, edit there, edit there.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think the cops are going to the DA

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<v Speaker 1>is going to bring in an expert, an audio expert,

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<v Speaker 1>to defend I mean, you know, solicitation.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, I can bring my own experts.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, they have to be expert experts, Okay, Marrit, We're

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<v Speaker 1>not talking about just someone's opinion. Someone who is has

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<v Speaker 1>probably testified before. That's for starters and has experience. And

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<v Speaker 1>these guys are not cheap. I mean be prepared for

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<v Speaker 1>five six thousand dollars for the day.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean the police, he's got the verified I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 6>once they say they're testified, has been edited, can I

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<v Speaker 6>see the police.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you'll never be able to sue the police. I know, no, No.

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<v Speaker 1>The best you're going to do is get off. And

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, let me ask you, let me hold on,

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<v Speaker 1>let me ask you a question. And I'm uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want you to.

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<v Speaker 2>Admit it, so just nod your head or be silent. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is radio so I'm gonna have to guess

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<v Speaker 1>whether you're not. Uh, do they actually have you doing that?

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<v Speaker 1>And don't say yes or no, just say maybe maybe

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<v Speaker 1>they misunderstood, because I don't want you to admit this,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's not gonna help.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't don't even answer that. Don't even answer that. What

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<v Speaker 1>did the woman police officer look like?

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<v Speaker 3>No, she was dressed appropriately.

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<v Speaker 6>She doesn't look like a prostitute. And my conversation was

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<v Speaker 6>completely different than Okay, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's okay, Well that's your testimony. But they have

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<v Speaker 1>you on tape sounding like you were having a conversation

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<v Speaker 1>relating to prostitution.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, okay, and some of us it's not my boy,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not me.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh if it's not you, then okay. If you, then

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<v Speaker 2>i'd bring in an expert. Are you married? Oh so

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have a spouse to yell at you?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I mean, I don't know. It's a good question,

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<v Speaker 1>it really is. I mean, it's an interesting case, to

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<v Speaker 1>say the least.

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<v Speaker 2>Depends on how badly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you have to bring an expert in. You're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have to hire an expert, and you certainly need a lawyer. Clearly,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's going to cost you in the thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of dollars. But it depends on you know how badly

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<v Speaker 1>you want to not get convicted of solicitation or prostitution.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's a misdemeanor.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, it's uh, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>They offer, you need to dismiss the case.

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<v Speaker 6>If I pay money and go to a class or something, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Would If they offer to dismiss the case, I would

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<v Speaker 1>do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Take the damn course.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever the fine is is going to be far less

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<v Speaker 1>than hiring a lawyer. If they dismiss it. That's where

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<v Speaker 1>I That's where I would go. But they're I mean

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<v Speaker 1>dismissing the case.

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<v Speaker 2>How much money? How much money? How much money they

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<v Speaker 2>want you to pay? John, I'm married, about fifteen dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Pay it, get the get it dismissed.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to cost you at least ten thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>to defend and then you don't know if you're going

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<v Speaker 1>if it and even a.

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<v Speaker 2>Chance to get convicted. I wouldn't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're paying uh, thousands of dollars, maybe in the

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<v Speaker 1>tens of thousands to take a chance, whereas if you

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<v Speaker 1>pay the fifteen hundred dollars you take the course.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't you know how not to hustle

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<v Speaker 2>a whore. I don't know what the hell they call

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<v Speaker 2>a horse the course? Oh that almost rhymes you know that?

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<v Speaker 1>And I guess you know if a strange person comes

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<v Speaker 1>up to me and starts saying, hey, sailor, and you

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<v Speaker 1>just simply say no, thanks, wow, case to say the

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<v Speaker 1>least two, because sometimes the defense is yeah, they blew it, but.

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<v Speaker 2>It didn't change anything. That happens all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. For example, there are cancers that are incredibly

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<v Speaker 1>slow moving and the first diagnosis they missed completely, and

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<v Speaker 1>then six months later, the second diagnosis shows that, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you have the cancer. Okay, so the first people malpractice.

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<v Speaker 1>They missed it and they shouldn't have missed it. What

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<v Speaker 1>are the damages? Not much, You're in the same position

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<v Speaker 1>you are. Six months means nothing with this cancer. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's the analogy I'm giving you is you have to

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<v Speaker 1>follow all of connect all of the dots and establish

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<v Speaker 1>that the malpractice in which they missed that first diagnosis

0:32:47.280 --> 0:32:51.920
<v Speaker 1>is connected to what is happening now, and if they

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<v Speaker 1>had done it correctly, you would not have this problem,

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<v Speaker 1>or you would not have as big a problem. So

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<v Speaker 1>you get to go to a medical malpractice attorney.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, the E Coli disease that you had,

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<v Speaker 1>how long did you have it for? Seven?

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<v Speaker 8>Eight months?

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<v Speaker 2>Seven or eight months?

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<v Speaker 3>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>And then they cured it right with antibiotics?

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, no, I understand.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So they missed that, all right, So you

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<v Speaker 1>had a disease that took seven eight months for them

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<v Speaker 1>to diagnose and cure. Okay, And then so you say

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<v Speaker 1>you malpractice, that's correct, and then they come back code

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<v Speaker 1>but you're fine now, and you go, yeah, but I

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<v Speaker 1>was I didn't know, and I was pain that I

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't have been. H This is a tough one. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to suggest you to talk to a mid

0:33:43.040 --> 0:33:46.560
<v Speaker 1>mal attorney because I certainly don't know enough about it.

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<v Speaker 2>And the prognosis could be that it's permanent.

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<v Speaker 1>If there is a permanent issue that was caused by

0:33:54.360 --> 0:33:59.280
<v Speaker 1>the non diagnosis initially there, then you've got something. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to know, and the email practic attorney

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<v Speaker 1>is not going to know because what med mal attorneys

0:34:03.680 --> 0:34:06.280
<v Speaker 1>do is they send all of the notes over to

0:34:06.320 --> 0:34:09.520
<v Speaker 1>the doctor, over to their doctor to see if there's

0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:12.160
<v Speaker 1>a case there, so there is a lot to it,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. Let me put you in a scenario where

0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:19.920
<v Speaker 1>you're speaking to someone up close, or you're in a

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<v Speaker 1>group of people, or you wake up in the morning

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<v Speaker 1>and you breathe on the mirror in the mirror almost

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<v Speaker 1>cracks because of your bad breath. Yeah, we all suffer

0:34:28.360 --> 0:34:33.040
<v Speaker 1>from bad breath, every one of us. Morning breath, coffee breath, onions, garlic,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean all of it.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do you do.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you can slug down a mint and suck on

0:34:39.360 --> 0:34:42.960
<v Speaker 1>this spearmint or peppermint and it takes care of the

0:34:43.440 --> 0:34:46.200
<v Speaker 1>bad breath in your mouth for a couple of hours.

0:34:46.880 --> 0:34:49.919
<v Speaker 1>Or let me give you a better suggestion, Zelman's minty Mouth.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Here is a little capsule on this parsley seed

0:34:54.080 --> 0:34:56.799
<v Speaker 1>oil covered with a very strong minty flavor. You suck

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<v Speaker 1>on the mint part and then you bite into the

0:34:58.600 --> 0:35:00.839
<v Speaker 1>capsule or you swallow it and it gets to work

0:35:00.840 --> 0:35:03.600
<v Speaker 1>in your stomach. Because people don't realize that bad breath

0:35:03.600 --> 0:35:06.560
<v Speaker 1>comes out of your stomach. That's where the food goes too.

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<v Speaker 1>So Zelmans is a double hit. You can only get

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