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Speaker 3: How are you I am?

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Speaker 2: I am good. It's see, it's well.

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Speaker 3: I'm not good because of the team's bad, and I'm

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Speaker 3: emotionally I'm not emotionally compelled by watch outside of my

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Speaker 3: little bit and it gets me excited and it breaks

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Speaker 3: my heart every single season. But just talking with Mike

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Speaker 3: Florio specifically about the QB, that remains the a topic

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Speaker 2: It does.

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Speaker 3: I'm just curious where your head is at in terms

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Speaker 3: of now through five starts, you know, just kind of

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Speaker 3: laying it out like I think, you know, in terms

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Speaker 3: of trying to find progress. You know, the coach is

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Speaker 3: going to talk about fundamentals. He's going to talk about

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Speaker 3: the mechanics of things. And as a matter of fact,

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Speaker 3: I believe you and wrote a piece in regards to mechanics.

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Speaker 2: But bad at balls. Yeah, So what is what is

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Speaker 2: your path now?

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Speaker 3: Is a guy that covers the team on a week

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Speaker 3: to week basis, because we've heard all sorts of different excuses.

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Speaker 3: Kid can be clutch, kid throws at ten feet over

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Speaker 3: people's heads, Like, what is your what have you found

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Speaker 3: yourself a in a groove? In terms of this Sunday Lambo,

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Speaker 3: I need to see this, like what is the next step?

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Speaker 2: Is it mechanics? Is it accuracy?

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Speaker 3: Like how do you kind of parse through all of

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Speaker 2: And the team are thrown out there?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think the tricky part is that we are

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Speaker 4: that's the tricky part of it, is that we get

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Speaker 4: But that is how this position tends to go. Is

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Speaker 3: I used to spend I used to spend time. Within

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Speaker 3: But I was trying to think, Okay, so is Kevin

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they are.

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Speaker 4: You know, we talk about whether it's molding the offense

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Speaker 4: I think it's more the latter, I do. I think

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Speaker 4: to give you the middle school playbook, the cadet's version

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Speaker 4: playbook later. You know, you hear a high school teams

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Speaker 4: I don't think that's what they're doing with him here,

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Speaker 4: O'Connell would say, well, why do I need to dumb

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Speaker 4: And that's why you hear him coaching that part of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of feel, you know, you and all

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Speaker 2: He has looked and played terrible. You know that.

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Speaker 3: it's kind of. It's JJ McCarthy and then it's everything else.

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Speaker 3: Now to that end, to the Texter's point, QB has

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Speaker 3: and just put together, put together a full freaking game, kid,

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Speaker 3: Please and do it against the.

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Speaker 3: The quarter battle victories are the among the best and

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Speaker 3: His pastor ratings better away from home as well. Silent

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Speaker 3: counts have been sometimes a better option. But there is

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Speaker 3: another part of the team that being the rest of it. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: this might be believe it or not Week twelve. If

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Speaker 2: This might be the most.

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Speaker 3: This might be the first game where we actually have

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Speaker 2: That would be awesome to see.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that would be further along than they've been in

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Speaker 4: that capacity all year. I mean, if you get Grenard back,

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Speaker 4: But the rest of it. I mean, if you were

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Speaker 4: they've had to go through it with the offensive line,

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Speaker 4: but you're not talking about anybody that's had season ending injuries.

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Speaker 4: It has been people that you know, in Darrisa's case,

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Speaker 4: And yes, the bus have come at bad times. All

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Speaker 4: And that one, I mean you could see that reaction

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Speaker 3: I mean, and I was obviously listening, but I was

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Speaker 3: you would have had Caleb Williams would have had to

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Speaker 4: How do I know whether it's converting speed to power

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Speaker 4: always part of the adjustment. There were some flashes, yes,

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Speaker 2: It needs to look like that more often.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you start to think about some of those things.

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Speaker 4: One of their more disruptive pass rushers from that position

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Speaker 3: grit in this locker room. And I have to really

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Speaker 3: believe him because we've seen that consistency of belief and

438
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Speaker 3: that's part of the culture building. I think when he

439
00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:23,440
Speaker 3: first came here, how long does that last? Though in

440
00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,640
Speaker 3: a season like this where we on Mike off Mike

441
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,359
Speaker 3: have all kind of joked like this feels like, I

442
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Speaker 3: mean ten months in ten weeks. Yeah, with the way

443
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Speaker 3: this season is gone, and at some point, you know,

444
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Speaker 3: I thought the damn broke in a good way after

445
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Speaker 3: the loss, it's so fi now I'm thinking, does the

446
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 3: damn break in terms of you know, guys legitimately just

447
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:47,359
Speaker 3: kind of going, I don't think we got it this year?

448
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think.

449
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Speaker 3: You know that the Bears are kind of the twenty

450
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Speaker 3: twenty two vikings and then everything's bouncing their way, and

451
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,920
Speaker 3: good for them and Ben Johnson, clearly, I think deserves

452
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Speaker 3: a ton of credit as a coach. But in the end,

453
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Speaker 3: you know, I wonder for a guy that preaches belief

454
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Speaker 3: and connects with players on the level at the level

455
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Speaker 3: that Kevin O'Connell does. At some point, when does potentially

456
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Speaker 3: pessimism or realism.

457
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Speaker 2: Start to creep into that equation.

458
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it probably does at some point, and

459
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Speaker 4: that's just human nature. You're going to have a moment

460
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Speaker 4: where players are going to say, hey, we're not going

461
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Speaker 4: to make the playoffs. And I think the thing that

462
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Speaker 4: pushes against that a little bit is there are enough

463
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Speaker 4: players that are saying, I need to put good things

464
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Speaker 4: on tape so that if my next employer is somewhere else,

465
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Speaker 4: then I've got good things on tape to get paid,

466
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Speaker 4: and I need to be able to make a case

467
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Speaker 4: for myself going forward. And I think there are going

468
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Speaker 4: to be guys that think about it that way, so

469
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Speaker 4: you do get competitiveness as a result of that. I mean,

470
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Speaker 4: a player like Eric Wilson is probably thinking about that, where, Hey,

471
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,640
Speaker 4: my next job, whether it's here or elsewhere, is going

472
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Speaker 4: to depend on what I put on tape. And he's

473
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Speaker 4: put a lot of good things on tape to this point,

474
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Speaker 4: and I'm thinking I want him to stay. Yeah, yeah,

475
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Speaker 4: I like him. He has He's been a difference maker

476
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Speaker 4: in a way that has surprised me.

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Speaker 2: I'll say that.

478
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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, he had a nice run here

479
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Speaker 4: under Mike Zimmer in my earlier years covering the team.

480
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 4: He was an undrafted free agent that they really liked

481
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Speaker 4: and grew into a rotational player that played some every

482
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Speaker 4: down stuff. I think had a number of interceptions one year.

483
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Speaker 4: But his impact as a pass rusher has been I

484
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Speaker 4: think a unique component to this season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, that's so. Yeah.

486
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Speaker 3: One of the aspect where he's kind of he just

487
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Speaker 3: kind of slid in yep. And and it's not about

488
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Speaker 3: trying to trying to drag or dog dog Ivan Pace, right,

489
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Speaker 3: he kind of is like he does everything Ivan Pace

490
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Speaker 3: does better yep.

491
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but a little more discipline.

492
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and discipline and size yeah, I mean there is

493
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Speaker 3: some you know, there is sadly that just the fundamentals

494
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Speaker 3: of height and weight that kind of play into this.

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Speaker 2: He does what Ivan Pace does.

496
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Speaker 3: He's just maybe a little more mature in that aspect

497
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Speaker 3: and bigger.

498
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he is. He is a built as anybody in

499
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Speaker 4: that locker room. And I was talking to people a

500
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Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago. We were joking on I think

501
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Speaker 4: our podcast about I Think we got a question on

502
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Speaker 4: this of who would win an arm wrestling contest in

503
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Speaker 4: that locker room, and we said, like, this actually sounds

504
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Speaker 4: like a great tell us with Mattelis for the future.

505
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Speaker 4: So we went up to Josh Mettelis and said, hey,

506
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Speaker 4: we got an idea for you. We started talking about it,

507
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Speaker 4: and I think either he brought up Eric Wilson or

508
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Speaker 4: maybe Andre Kramer did, and I was like, okay, I

509
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Speaker 4: could think about that, and then you see him walk

510
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Speaker 4: through the locker room like, yeah, okay, I see why

511
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Speaker 4: you're saying that he is.

512
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Speaker 2: He is well sculpted and that's one of those things.

513
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Speaker 4: I'm sure over the years of being in the NFL

514
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Speaker 4: you get your body to that point. But well, the

515
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Speaker 4: musicality shows up in that regard.

516
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Speaker 3: Denila Danil had to leave for anyone else to have

517
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Speaker 3: a chance.

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Speaker 5: In that conversation, he doesn't look quite like that, because

519
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Speaker 5: I don't know that anybody ever will. But he looks

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Speaker 5: closer to that than I think a lot of people

521
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Speaker 5: would expect a you know, kind of ninth tenth year

522
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Speaker 5: linebacker to look.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Key recount, Welcome back nine to noon, Steve texting in

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Speaker 3: six four six eighty six, Nordo. Have you mentioned where

541
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Speaker 3: PA is today? I hope this isn't another deep KFA.

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Speaker 2: N secret Sacred Sacred Vocal Maintenance day Teams four and six.

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Speaker 2: What do you expect, man? I mean, old people got

544
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Speaker 2: to get rest, all right.

545
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Speaker 3: I mean it's getting tougher to dial this thing up

546
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Speaker 3: to eleven each and every week.

547
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Speaker 2: Uh, when when we're having.

548
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Speaker 3: The struggles we are with the with the kid QB.

549
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Speaker 3: But you know what, it's a border battle and the

550
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Speaker 3: Box is going to be ready. He's going to be

551
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 3: back in full force tomorrow. Do you wonder Pa has

552
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 3: brought this up a couple of times and now it's

553
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Speaker 3: in my head and I can't get rid of it.

554
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 3: The idea that potentially the packers are at a crossroads

555
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Speaker 3: with and there are some aspects of that that just

556
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Speaker 3: I mean, it seems insane to me, and but then

557
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 3: there are some other sides of it with I think

558
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 3: there's new executive guy in a big spot and it's

559
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,199
Speaker 3: kind of just like anything else Yep, I want my

560
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 3: own people. But from the work that he was able

561
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 3: to do with Rogers before he left, albeit it kind

562
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 3: of ended with a thud, and now to really kind

563
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Speaker 3: of maintain ultra competitiveness as long as love and company

564
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Speaker 3: are healthy. I think over he seems kind of Honestly,

565
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Speaker 3: I would be annoyed if I had to do like

566
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Speaker 3: your job, because I think he's kind of stand offish

567
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 3: for no freaking reasons.

568
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Speaker 2: Sometimes with the media. But you you understand and deal

569
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Speaker 2: with all that, sure, good times, bad times.

570
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Speaker 3: I kind of just I think he's a very good coach,

571
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Speaker 3: and I just it's there's there's an odd thing where

572
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Speaker 3: you know, if this team misses the playoffs, you're really

573
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 3: just going to start fresh, like the investments and parsons

574
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Speaker 3: and some other things like that. Seems kind of nuts

575
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Speaker 3: to me that they're truly pondering that idea moving on for.

576
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think it's both both Lafloor and

577
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 4: Gudakuns are both in need of new contracts, so they

578
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 4: basically have they have a new president because as I

579
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 4: understand it, Mark Murphy, the previous president, they have like

580
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 4: an age limit where once you hit seventy oh really,

581
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Speaker 4: you're out. I mean it's like Alan Page was in

582
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Speaker 4: the Supreme Court in Minnesota that they have an age

583
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Speaker 4: limit on how long you can be the president of

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Speaker 4: the Green Bay Packers. So they have a new guy.

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Speaker 4: I think it's ED policy. I think related to your

586
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 4: common policy. The old forty nine ers.

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Speaker 3: Executive, the diseased Packers fan behind you was nodding, which okay,

588
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 3: that's him, which means that it's ed.

589
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Speaker 2: Okay, you nailed it.

590
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 4: So verific verification has arrived, yes, And I think that

591
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 4: thought process because they went to this different structure a

592
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 4: couple of years ago, the kind of the old Vikings

593
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 4: triangle of authority thing where it's like the GM and

594
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Speaker 4: the coach both reporting to the president rather than the

595
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Speaker 4: coach reporting of the GM. And so now I think

596
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 4: that's the structure he inherits, and he's trying to say, Okay,

597
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 4: do we want to keep these guys or do I

598
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 4: want to look at going somewhere else. Brian Gudikuns, I

599
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 4: feel like it would be really hard to get rid

600
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Speaker 4: of him. I mean, the drafts that they've had and

601
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 4: the trade from Michael Parsons have been pretty good, pretty good,

602
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,479
Speaker 4: So then would you go with a different coach and

603
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 4: have a new keep the GM or do you start

604
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Speaker 4: completely over. It's a lot of moving parts. I think

605
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Speaker 4: in the end they may say, you know what, Matt

606
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Speaker 4: Lafleur has been good enough, because I do think he's

607
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Speaker 4: a good coach.

608
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Speaker 2: I think they've had a lot of success.

609
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Speaker 4: There are times where you watch them in close games,

610
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 4: you watch them in the playoffs, and it's like, what

611
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 4: are they doing? I think some of his end of game,

612
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 4: you know, fourth down type decisions are a little bit

613
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Speaker 4: of a head scratcher. But he's not the only coach

614
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Speaker 4: where you'd say that. So it's a question of do

615
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 4: you want to pull the plug on a guy because

616
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 4: he's gotten to the playoffs a lot, hasn't won at

617
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Speaker 4: the level that you would like to see. But the

618
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 4: risk of getting the wrong guy if you replace is

619
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Speaker 4: pretty high. So yeah, it's the old devil. You know,

620
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Speaker 4: devil you don't think. I think that's kind of the

621
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Speaker 4: The question with them is is what's going to happen there?

622
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Speaker 4: But I mean that's why that is a topic more

623
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Speaker 4: so than you would expect it to be because this

624
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Speaker 4: because of the new president. But I don't know it

625
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 4: would be strange. Yeah, exactly. It just it pains me

626
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 4: to say it. I want nothing positive for that franchise

627
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 4: to ever occur. But it's just but Lafleur's a good coach. Yeah,

628
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 4: I mean it's and it's really impressive what he's done.

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Speaker 4: So anyway, to that end, you mentioned it made me laugh.

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Speaker 3: The triangle of authority, Yeah, so what the vikings is it?

631
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Speaker 3: Is it like a hexagon of authority? Is that pentagon

632
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Speaker 3: an octagon of authority because the collaboration, you know, is

633
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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just it might be an octagon of authority.

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Speaker 2: There might be guys in the world. There are a

635
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Speaker 2: lot of people.

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Speaker 4: I mean you have Kevin O'Connell, Quasioto Fa Meensa, Rob Razinski,

637
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 4: and then you yeah, you've got Ryan Grigson in there.

638
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Speaker 4: I mean, yes, there is Demitrius Washington. Demetrius Washington. There

639
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 4: are a lot of people. And then some of the

640
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 4: pro staff people as well, Ryan Monins. I think, you know,

641
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 4: everybody has different Quaysy obviously has control over the roster,

642
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 4: and I don't know if I don't, I mean, Kevin

643
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Speaker 4: O'Connell talks to ownership every week. Koysey Alfa Messa talks

644
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 4: to ownership every week, and a lot of their discussion

645
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Speaker 4: points with one another are the last quasy, have you

646
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Speaker 4: talked to Kevin about this? How does Kevin feel about it? Kevin?

647
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Speaker 4: Have you talked to Quaycy? I mean, so there's a

648
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 4: lot of elements of ownership that are trying to say, hey,

649
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Speaker 4: let's make sure everybody's on the same page here and

650
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Speaker 4: encouraging we are on board with this if you if

651
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Speaker 4: you all agree on it, we trust you, but we

652
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Speaker 4: want to make sure that there is kind of this

653
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Speaker 4: alignment of vision. They spend a lot of time talking

654
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Speaker 4: about that. I had got a chance to talk to

655
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Speaker 4: a lot of people about this when I did that

656
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Speaker 4: story last year on the Wills twenty years of ownership

657
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Speaker 4: and kind of how they run the team, and that

658
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Speaker 4: was the thing that kept coming up, is Hey, are

659
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Speaker 4: all of you on the same page on this? And

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Speaker 4: what do we need to do if we're not? Like,

661
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Speaker 4: what do we need to get worked out? So that

662
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Speaker 4: is a high value for the owners. I know that,

663
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Speaker 4: and so the reporting structure is probably a little bit

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Speaker 4: money to me in terms of who does what.

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Speaker 2: But I think there's also.

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Speaker 4: An understanding that the owners are going to talk individually

667
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Speaker 4: with each one of these people, and then a lot

668
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Speaker 4: of their approach is saying, hey, we want to make

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Speaker 4: sure that everybody when we come out of this room

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Speaker 4: can support the decision we've made and can be in

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Speaker 4: line with it, even if there's disagreements and differences of opinion.

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Speaker 4: Let's get that stuff figured out so that when we

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Speaker 4: go forward with it, we can go forward.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I just I wonder and I mostly joke about it.

676
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, just wanting this team to win

677
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Speaker 3: every game, just just appreciating some of the things that

678
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Speaker 3: have been put in place. But I just think, you know,

679
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Speaker 3: the old cook too many cooks in the kitchen thing.

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Speaker 3: I just think like there's there are positive aspects of

681
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Speaker 3: collaboration where you are getting different idea. Yeah, there's a

682
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Speaker 3: creative element there that I think can be really purposeful

683
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Speaker 3: and good. The other end of it, the disadvantage of

684
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Speaker 3: it is that it's also then tougher to identify some

685
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Speaker 3: of the issues that exist because there are so many

686
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Speaker 3: voices and you know, I don't want to say, you know,

687
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Speaker 3: it's like people pointing fingers, but I think you get

688
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Speaker 3: kind of the idea of just the more people in there.

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Speaker 3: The more collaboration, there is an aspect of identifying problems

690
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Speaker 3: and I think can be more difficult.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think if it's the thing of well, we

692
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Speaker 4: have to make sure everybody's voice is heard and put

693
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Speaker 4: equal weight on those things. Yeah, that does get tricky

694
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Speaker 4: because at some point somebody has to make the decision,

695
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Speaker 4: and I think in their case with roster decisions, that

696
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Speaker 4: is quasi adopo mets. I don't think anybody has any

697
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Speaker 4: doubt about that. But good, yeah, there is that. I mean,

698
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Speaker 4: managing a group of people where you have a lot

699
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Speaker 4: of ideas on a lot of voices, that is always

700
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Speaker 4: a challenge. I think in any type of an organization.

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Speaker 4: Can you imagine what Abbot has to do to manage that? Yeah,

702
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Speaker 4: I mean I think there's probably some some dynamics that

703
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Speaker 4: that poor Chad Abbot has to wade through there.

704
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Speaker 3: But some anxiety, some stress and hair loss associated with.

705
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know this.

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Speaker 4: There's going to be anybody that's running a high level

707
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Speaker 4: organization like kfa N and the Minnesota Vikings is going

708
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Speaker 4: to have some of those things they have to figure out.

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Speaker 4: But that's why the great leaders get paid what they

710
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Speaker 4: do indeed like a Chad Abbot.

711
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Speaker 3: So what do we think about the border battle this weekend? Obviously,

712
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Speaker 3: you know the quarterback is going to remain in the

713
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Speaker 3: a topic for me and I think many, if not

714
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Speaker 3: most people, But in the end, four and six team

715
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Speaker 3: can become five and six by beating up on Jordan

716
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Speaker 3: Love and potentially no Josh Jacobs. I think that's very

717
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Speaker 3: the weekend, although you know we'll see the practice, well,

718
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 3: we'll get to see how that pans out. What pops

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Speaker 3: about the border battle for you this weekend?

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Speaker 4: It this is an interesting one because the Packers are

721
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Speaker 4: at times they'll look like, oh, this is one of

722
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Speaker 4: the best teams in the NFC. This defense is more

723
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Speaker 4: than anybody can handle with that pass rush. Now, the

724
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Speaker 4: Michael Parsons is there, and they've got enough pieces on offense,

725
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Speaker 4: but losing Tucker Craft I think has changed the way

726
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 4: they play offensively. And if they're without Josh Jacobs, I'm

727
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 4: not entirely sure what the offensive identity of that team

728
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Speaker 4: is because when they've lost games this year, they have

729
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Speaker 4: not scored a lot of points. And I think the

730
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Speaker 4: Vikings are going to have a hard time with that defense.

731
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Speaker 4: But I also think the Packers could have a hard

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Speaker 4: time with what the Vikings might do, especially if they

733
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Speaker 4: don't have Josh Jacobs to kind of set the tone.

734
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Speaker 2: So this one is interesting.

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Speaker 4: I think the Packers are like six and a half

736
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Speaker 4: point favorites, which I think I see that because I

737
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Speaker 4: don't know how McCarthy plays against this defense. But I

738
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Speaker 4: could see the Vikings defense making this one interesting and

739
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Speaker 4: forcing Jordan Love into enough trouble that they could hang around.

740
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Speaker 4: I wouldn't be shocked if they steal it, And there

741
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 4: may be a little bit of a you know, this

742
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Speaker 4: has gone far enough, we have to take a stand.

743
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Speaker 4: I mean, kind of like they did in fort Field.

744
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Speaker 4: You can't ask them. You can't ask a team to

745
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 4: have to do that every week. I think this sort

746
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Speaker 4: of emotional, you know, the buckstops here kind of declaration,

747
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 4: especially when they're gonna have to do it again the

748
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Speaker 4: following week. Yeah, in another building where they haven't had

749
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 4: a lot of success in Seattle. I eventually had a

750
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Speaker 4: fair amount of success at Lambell Field the last few years.

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Speaker 2: They've been better there. They have a lot of places.

752
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Speaker 3: But it's totally going to bite me too, you know,

753
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Speaker 3: just like the fourth Piattle Donald, and it's like, you know,

754
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 3: Donald and kind of JB long the rams voxa after

755
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 3: the fourth pick, he turned them back into a pumpkin.

756
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Speaker 3: It so far, Yeah, and just kind of thinking about

757
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Speaker 3: how things ended last year and then seeing that he's

758
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Speaker 3: going to go for four hundred and four against US

759
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Speaker 3: in a couple of weeks and it's gonna hurt Ben,

760
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Speaker 3: It's gonna hurt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: There's I mean, these next two, if they don't come

763
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Speaker 4: out of this with least a split, I have a

764
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Speaker 4: hard time seeing how you come back from that. They

765
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Speaker 4: may need to win them both with the way the

766
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Speaker 4: NFC is set up, but yeah, the border battle, I

767
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Speaker 4: could see this one being tight, just because I don't

768
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Speaker 4: quite know how the Packers will set up offensively with

769
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Speaker 4: the injuries they have. So I still think it's probably

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Speaker 4: the Packers winning it at home because I just it's

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Speaker 4: hard to see McCarthy go through what he's been through

772
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Speaker 4: and imagine he's gonna get it done. But they did

773
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Speaker 4: it in Detroit and I thought they'd lose that game,

774
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Speaker 4: so you know, maybe they'll be able to steal one there.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully that last the entire duration of the game. Nor

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Speaker 2: to your thoughts. Well, first of all, it was awesome

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Speaker 2: to have the coach.

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Speaker 3: We did find out that yesper voltall sets will be

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829
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Speaker 3: Gus was better the other night against Vegas. How about

830
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Speaker 3: that goaltending coming around? All part of a story of

831
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Speaker 3: a team that's won six of eight. Beat the Canes tonight,

832
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Speaker 3: make it seven of nine. This Danilla you're off thing.

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Speaker 3: When I asked the coach, the coach was on the phone.

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Speaker 3: I use this sneaky talkback function because of where he

835
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Speaker 3: way I got to work on this maybe on air

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Speaker 3: production meeting. Okay, people don't need you. I'm starting to

838
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Speaker 3: ask some long, ask barero like questions and it.

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Speaker 2: Needs to stop.

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Speaker 3: Its convoluted, and there's like two different bits in there.

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Speaker 2: Who has to put bullet.

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Speaker 3: Points down or make a paragraph break to ask a

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Speaker 3: freaking question. Get to it, Nords. So that's a little

844
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 3: self scouting on air. Sorry about that your thoughts. And

845
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Speaker 3: I think it could be that easy, frankly, but I

846
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 3: had to kind of double check with you because it

847
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 3: just didn't fit in my head. Like, the kid's going

848
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 3: to be up top tonight, and I think this is

849
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Speaker 3: a really cool opportunity for him, and I'm excited for that.

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Speaker 3: You know, in terms of expectations, you heard the coach

851
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Speaker 3: talking about that as well, is you know, expectations for

852
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Speaker 3: certain players as the team is finding a rhythm and

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Speaker 3: maybe getting to its identity. I believe paraphrasing, he kind

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Speaker 3: of spoke to it. Well, individual players are kind of

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Speaker 3: finding their rhythm on their own as players and getting

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Speaker 3: to their identities. So really pumped, because, man, this thing

857
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 3: was negative, and frankly it still is. I mean, just

858
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Speaker 3: kind of rattling off in every year. I try to

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Speaker 3: put it nicely when I get the chance to talk

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Speaker 3: to him. It's like each year, new adventures, each year,

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Speaker 3: fifty injuries.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy.

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Speaker 3: Whether it's ROSSI, it's Hartman, I think, but go there

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Speaker 3: was an update yesterday. I think Bagosian and Storm can

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Speaker 3: we just both say, like a couple weeks something like that, right,

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Speaker 3: So my goodness, still haven't gotten to see Nico.

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Speaker 2: I want to see Nico. All those face off wins.

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Speaker 3: So the team's playing better and capitalizing on brand because

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Speaker 3: you know, arena ice, which was an issue earlier in

870
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 3: the season, is not an issue. The game they played recently,

871
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 3: the coach said, you know, he takes a ton from

872
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 3: that game. Wonky weird game where again I think it

873
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 3: was boldy in the first minute, ties it ailers, makes

874
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 3: it four to three, and then you just had thirty

875
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 3: nine minutes of disjointed penalties here, there and everywhere, scoreless hockey,

876
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 3: and it was just kind of a weird game because

877
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 3: you feel like the flow of a hockey game. I understand,

878
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 3: like beginning of periods like energy, urgency, endings of periods.

879
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 2: Of course, maybe make a two goal deficit.

880
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 3: One goal into the break like that can be a

881
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 3: massive energy or momentum changer. But I mean, ugh, thirty

882
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 3: nine minutes of just l in special teams.

883
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: It was awful.

884
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 3: So hopefully tonight's tonight's a riot and that can start

885
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 3: by ninety seven. Handle it, let's get let's get a

886
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 3: puck in the Net tonight again, Carell love.

887
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 2: It number two.

888
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: They have a programming predicament in the Cities because the

889
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: Timberwolves are hosting the one and twelve Washington Wizards. The

890
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: injury report from earlier the biggest one. McDaniel's questionable, but

891
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: going in Devincenzo looks like he's gonna be a go.

892
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: It's a left wrist brain for mcdaniels's. Yeah, not great

893
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: at all, but it should be offhand. The old Wolves

894
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: maybe would play with their food. I don't think this

895
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 1: year's Wolves or last year's Wolves are gonna play with

896
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: their food. I think it should be a win for

897
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 1: the Wolves. You'll hear that on the Timberwolves channel in

898
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app. Well, that's why it's not a programming predicament.

899
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: What time's the Wolves game on?

900
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 2: That's seven?

901
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 3: It is, so by the time we get to eight

902
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 3: point fifty freaking five, yuck, it's gonna be Wolves by

903
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 3: twenty and you can confidently turn the channel knowing that

904
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 3: they'll beat the Wizards. Just talking about it earlier with

905
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 3: Parker Fox just kind of feasting on these bad teams.

906
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 3: It's something the Wolves have had trouble with in years past,

907
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 3: and even just you know, ten to fifteen games into

908
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 3: the season.

909
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 2: The.

910
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 3: League has already started making its own decisions in terms

911
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 3: of who's going to be a factor and who's not.

912
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,720
Speaker 3: I mean, some teams have fallen out that the Mavericks

913
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 3: are just freaking terrible, and you have the Clippers.

914
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 2: At some point, if you.

915
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 3: Just kept adding the oldest possible player you could in

916
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 3: the NBA, by the time you got to six or

917
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 3: seven of them, something bad was going to happen. That's

918
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 3: your four and ten Clippers Lakers with Lebron looking good

919
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 3: dropping a buck forty. I think last night, they're certainly

920
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 3: a factor. My point is, though, is that ten to

921
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 3: fifteen games into the season, the usual suspects are still

922
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 3: the same five or six teams that matter. Now the

923
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 3: wild card in this conversation is Wemby's Spurs. Now Wenby's

924
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 3: going to be out for a bit, how does that

925
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 3: team sustain Not that their season is going to be over,

926
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 3: but just thinking about the hierarchy of the West.

927
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 2: You know, big guy like him, I.

928
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 3: Mean calf strain that might be a two to three

929
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 3: week affair, and so how do they maintain during that

930
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 3: time to that end it's still again the West. The

931
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 3: Sacramento Kings not interesting, not interested in playing good basketball.

932
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 3: They're a non factor. Jah and this Grizzly team just hideous.

933
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 3: So feasting on these bad teams and winning these games

934
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 3: means that in a super muddy, top heavy West in April,

935
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 3: we're not in fifth place because of a Wednesday night

936
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 3: loss we took to the damn Wizards back in November.

937
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 3: That's why these games matter. I think that they have

938
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 3: figured that out. And yes, we want to, we want to.

939
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 3: We want to beat those teams.

940
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 2: You know.

941
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 3: Of course we've lost to the Nuggets. I think we're

942
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 3: rowing five with teams over five hundred records. Of course,

943
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 3: we but beat these teams badly. Don't play with your food,

944
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 3: as Brett would say, I think they won't, and I

945
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 3: think they'll handle business tonight.

946
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: I got time for one, and I've got four different

947
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,280
Speaker 1: NFL notes. You want to just rapid fire through.

948
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 2: That's sweet. I don't you know.

949
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 3: Lavelle may be here, he may be running late. I

950
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 3: have no idea. So let's let's keep the party going.

951
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: All right, Here's just four notes, then we can be done.

952
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase his suspension was upheld here by the name

953
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:21,720
Speaker 1: of Jordy Nelson upheld the suspension, so he will serve

954
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: a game suspension. Aaron Rodgers will not need surgery to

955
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,320
Speaker 1: repair his fracture to his left non throwing wrists.

956
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 2: Hey, when do you start to love Rogers again? When

957
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 2: did I stop? Okay, just checking.

958
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Michael Pennix needs surgery to repair his ACL sprain,

959
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 1: So that's going to be basically a full reconstruction, as

960
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: may as well be an HCl tear. So that is

961
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousin's ship to fly. And then as Shador Sanders

962
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: gets the start against the Raiders for the Browns this week,

963
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: well I gotta do something.

964
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel again, Like I said, don't feel bad

965
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 3: for Kevin O'Connell.

966
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 2: The decisions are his.

967
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 3: Don't feel bad for Kevin Stefanski, two time Coach of

968
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 3: the Year in Cleveland.

969
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 2: The decision or his decisions are mostly his.

970
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 3: But without a quarterback, I think he's done as much

971
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 3: as he possibly can. I wonder if if Stefanski might

972
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 3: be finding his way to a different coaching vacancy in

973
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six. I think he's a tremendous coach. That

974
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 3: happens to work for just an absolutely futrid franchise. Yeah,

975
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 3: Schauduur didn't look good. I think it was tough circumstances,

976
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 3: though I'm not, you know, should do it well.

977
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 2: It wasn't just he didn't look good. Shudur looked terrible.

978
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 3: But I am actually interested to see what take two

979
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 3: can look for him, not trying to dager guys after

980
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 3: one start, not trying to dagger guys after five starts,

981
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 3: to start six around the corner for my guy JJ.

982
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 3: But but yeah, that's a little improvement, wouldn't hurt. And

983
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 3: you mentioned the spitting thing. Yes, I seriously, it's not

984
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 3: like I'm a tough guy by any stretch of the imagination.

985
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 3: I would rather someone take a swing at me than

986
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,439
Speaker 3: spit on me like that is just the grossest thing ever.

987
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 3: I mean, it's demeaning and just it's degrading to the

988
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 3: absolute max to me spitting on another person. And by

989
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 3: the way, we got like four K video, didn't you

990
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 3: just blakely led and just it didn't happen, Okay, Jamar,

991
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,000
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