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Speaker 2: Hi, Hello and welcome in to another day of Sincy

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Speaker 2: three to sixty here on ESPN fifteen thirty. My name

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Speaker 2: is Austin Elmore. Happy to be with you today. For

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Speaker 2: six this afternoon, we've got Bengals game plan from six

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Speaker 2: keep it tuned right here. The next eight hours, we've

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Speaker 2: See basketball all coming up. West Miller talked earlier today

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Speaker 2: We'll also do some headlines and get you fully up

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Speaker 2: to date because Major League Baseball playoffs are continuing, and

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Speaker 2: of course we're on the eve, the eve the precipice

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty Bengal and Steelers tomorrow. Gonna be joined by

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Speaker 2: John Sheeran as we are every single Thursday, and Brooke Pryor,

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Speaker 2: by as well. But that's then and this is now.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot going on with the Bengals. There's a

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Speaker 2: lot of different storylines, a lot of different ways you

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Speaker 2: two weeks ago, I had officially been out on Zach Taylor, right,

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Speaker 2: and really that hasn't changed. I still don't know that

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Speaker 2: those teams twenty one twenty two with the Joe Burrow era,

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Speaker 2: This is a turning point. Rewind to that twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: Bengals fans, yeah, we can do this and parlay that

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Speaker 2: We've got to go somewhere else. I think it's interesting

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Speaker 2: the juxtaposition of how you could view the moves that

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Speaker 2: we'll see some more Josh Newton, but DJ Turner, Dax Hill,

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Speaker 2: I think you could even say that move about Joe

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Speaker 2: a organizational commitment similar to what we've told all off season,

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Speaker 2: which is that the young guys need to play and

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. It's football in the Natty time here on

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Speaker 2: up to date with the injury reports from yesterday. Starting

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Speaker 2: That's the Pittsburgh practice report. What about the Bengals, Well,

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Speaker 6: Hey, awesome. I'm in my truck driving home. But I'm

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Speaker 6: I think January or December, so you can't really tell

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Speaker 6: It's thirty five hundred dollars. We've got decent seats on

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Speaker 6: I'm just I'm I think the Bengals could have gotten

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's that's difficult. And I know you're

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Speaker 6: Well if they obviously, if they can pull it out.

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Speaker 6: The only game I've been to this year at home

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Speaker 6: You know, if you could get something like that every week,

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Speaker 6: Yep, So I'd like to win tomorrow night would certainly

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, I think you're doing a great. I think

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Speaker 2: I agree with you, Tom, Thank you, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: But what did they do prior to this season? They

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Speaker 2: a great environment and they deserve a lot of credit

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Speaker 2: for that. But the shine starts to wear off if

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Speaker 2: you don't play well. Last year four twenty five Philadelphia

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Speaker 2: Eagles October White Bengal game, got their ass kicked, embarrassed.

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Speaker 2: The shine starts to come off. That's an issue, right,

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Speaker 2: And when there have been consistent mistakes made in the draft,

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Speaker 2: you become less anticipatory of what's going to happen and

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Speaker 2: how you can build the team and make it better,

437
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 2: and you start thinking, all right, how could this go poorly?

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Speaker 2: How are they going to screw up this draft pick?

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Speaker 2: That's unfortunately the narrative around the team right now is

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Speaker 2: that they don't have the ability to draft when it's

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Speaker 2: not a layup like Joe Burrow or Jamar Chase like

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Speaker 2: it or not, that's the narrative, like it or not,

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Speaker 2: that's going to drive people in a direction of what

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Speaker 2: to do with their money, what to do with their tickets.

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Speaker 2: It's a two way street. I think the Bengals know that.

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Speaker 2: I think fans know that, and you choose to do

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Speaker 2: whatever you want to do with your money. But I

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Speaker 2: think in life, we all kind of want to feel wanted,

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Speaker 2: don't we, Especially if you're investing in someone or something

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Speaker 2: or a product, you want to feel like you're part

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Speaker 2: of it. And Tomorrow night, if you're a Bengals fan,

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Speaker 2: there's no better environment Thursday night home wide out. It's

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Speaker 2: amazing and you do feel like you're a part of something.

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Speaker 2: But it becomes more and more hollow the less competitive

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Speaker 2: the team is, and that's a problem. We'll take a break.

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Speaker 2: We'll come back more phone calls. Plus you'll hear from

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Speaker 2: Joe Flacco and Jamar Chase what they had to say yesterday.

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Speaker 2: This is since he three sixty and this has been

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Speaker 2: Football in the NATTY on the Home of the Bengals,

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 5: You've been listening to Football in the NATI on ESPN

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Speaker 5: fifteen thirty. The official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 1: So you see kwatine thirty, Cincinnati's sports station.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to since E three sixty. I'm Austin Elmore.

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Speaker 2: Back to your phone calls in just a moment, five

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Speaker 2: on three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 4: What else is going on in the world of sports?

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Speaker 4: What are some other headlines?

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Speaker 2: Well, last night Didgers beat the Brewers five to one

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Speaker 2: in Game two of the NLCS and the Dodgers lead

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Speaker 2: that series two games to nothing over the Milwaukee Brewers.

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Speaker 2: It was announced last night Bearcatz big man Jalen Hayes

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Speaker 2: big six foot eight fella, two hundred and fifty pounds.

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Speaker 2: He's out indefinitely with a lower body injury. He's a

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Speaker 2: graduate student. Previously played at George Mason, East Tennessee State

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Speaker 2: Virginia Tech. He was a big part of the Bearcats plans.

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Speaker 2: He is out indefinitely. The AP Top twenty five College

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Speaker 2: Basketball Poll preseason poll came out yesterday. Number one, Perdue,

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Speaker 2: number two, Houston three, Florida for yukon five, Saint John's six,

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Speaker 2: Duke seven, Michigan eight, BYU nine Kentucky and ten. Texas

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Speaker 2: Tech is the top ten and what else is going

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Speaker 2: on in the NFL. Chiefs wide receiver Rashi Rice has

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Speaker 2: been reinstated from his sixth game suspension. The United States

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Speaker 2: men's national soccer team last night beat Australia two to

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Speaker 2: one in an international friendly. That's all. Haji Wright score twice,

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Speaker 2: but Christian Polisic left the game with a hamstring injury.

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Speaker 2: Not good news there. And how about the Reds. The

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Speaker 2: Old Red Legs have two players as finalists for the

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Speaker 2: National League Gold Glove Award, one at first base Spencer

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Speaker 2: Steer and the other at third base, Key Brian Hayes.

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Speaker 2: I would imagine Key Brian Hayes is the favorite to

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Speaker 2: win at third base. I believe Matt Olsen is the

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Speaker 2: favorite to win at first base. Phone lines open five

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Speaker 2: P one, three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty. Let's go

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Speaker 2: to Boston and talk to John. What's up, John, Good afternoon, Austin.

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Speaker 9: How are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing all right, man? What's on your mind?

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Speaker 10: Okay?

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Speaker 3: Just a few things.

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Speaker 11: First of all, instead of worrying about the color of

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Speaker 11: the field and how good it's gonna look tomorrow and

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Speaker 11: I maybe ownership should just invest in a better turf,

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Speaker 11: real grass, so that their franchise quarterback doesn't end up

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Speaker 11: with a hyper extended toe Grade three toast train, maybe

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Speaker 11: gets a Grade one toastrain instead.

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Speaker 3: He's back already.

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Speaker 11: I mean, that's I've wailed against so many of the

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Speaker 11: franchises that they invest in franchise quarterbacks and then they

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Speaker 11: put them on field that are really not safe. That

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Speaker 11: goes back to what you're talking about Green Bay. It's

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Speaker 11: all about football with the Packers. That field is pristine.

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Speaker 11: You don't see many injuries on it because it's franchises

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Speaker 11: doesn't have an owner that's not pitching pennies on the field.

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Speaker 2: Well I would, I will push back on this a

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Speaker 2: little bit and say that you know, most of these

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Speaker 2: stadiums are no longer just meant for football. They're mixed

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Speaker 2: use facilities, and that means that artificial turf is kind

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Speaker 2: of the only option. I wish the NFL would crack

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Speaker 2: down on it more. I know the NFLPA has has

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Speaker 2: gone after it, and maybe at some point it becomes

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Speaker 2: a point of contention. But yeah, I mean, there are

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Speaker 2: a lot of stadiums in the NFL. I think half

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Speaker 2: of them are artificial playing surfaces. A lot of them

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Speaker 2: are new stadiums. I wish that there was a mandate

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Speaker 2: that you have to have natural grass ready to play

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Speaker 2: on if you're going to build a new stadium, but

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Speaker 2: I guess it's I don't know if that's possible.

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Speaker 11: Right And here at Fenway Park, actually they have a

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Speaker 11: ton of concerts and they play on real grass.

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Speaker 10: It kind of.

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Speaker 11: Beats it up a little bit, But you know, I

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Speaker 11: think it could be done, obviously, if you're gonna put

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Speaker 11: some money into it. But I'm pretty confident about tomorrow night,

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Speaker 11: Austin short week, you're at home, saw some improvement last week.

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Speaker 11: You've got a veteran team coming in on a short week.

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Speaker 11: If they're not all in on this game in terms

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Speaker 11: of emotion and passion, I don't know what to tell you.

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Speaker 11: Some I think they're gonna win twenty to seventeen, low

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Speaker 11: scoring game hashtag Grandpa Bowl with Blacko and Aaron Rodgers together, right,

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Speaker 11: I mean, that's going to be awesome to see those

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Speaker 11: tool guys going out.

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Speaker 2: I heard yesterday Aaron Rodgers was talking to the media

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Speaker 2: and Cam Hayward walked by and called it the Icy

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Speaker 2: Hot Bowl.

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Speaker 11: Absolutely, yeah, they're gonna need that mini bye week after

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Speaker 11: the game for sure. The other thing too, is I

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Speaker 11: know you touched on it yesterday with Brian Callahan getting

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Speaker 11: fired by the Titans and then his dad Bill resigning,

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Speaker 11: any talk of bringing those guys in his consultants.

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Speaker 12: I know it's a short week that would be.

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Speaker 11: Difficult, but bringing those two guys in to try to

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Speaker 11: help fix the offensive line and the offense.

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Speaker 2: In general, yeah, I mean, I think it would be

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Speaker 2: ideal after Thursday, when you have the many buy to

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Speaker 2: consider doing that. I don't know that Brian's going to

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Speaker 2: help you that much, as you know, maybe just as

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Speaker 2: an assistant to Zach to maybe take some of that

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Speaker 2: stuff off of his plate perhaps. But I think the

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Speaker 2: other thing, you know, with Bill Callahan, I think you

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Speaker 2: should absolutely be calling him. That would be a move

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Speaker 2: that shows you are in aggressive pursuit of a championship.

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Speaker 2: Because Bill Callahan, as you know, was aligned with Scott

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Speaker 2: Peters when they were in Cleveland together, and he was

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Speaker 2: widely regarded as the best offensive line coach in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: It makes a lot of sense. I think the Bengals

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Speaker 2: should consider it. It would make them a better football

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Speaker 2: team immediately, And anytime you do that, I think I'm

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Speaker 2: going to sign up for that, So Brian Callahan, I

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Speaker 2: don't care either way, but Bill Callahan, yes, they should

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Speaker 2: go after him.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it wouldn't cost you much money because his offset

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Speaker 11: language in those contracts, so even if you bring him

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Speaker 11: in for the rest of the season and go from there,

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Speaker 11: it's not going to be all that costly. Finally, Austin,

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Speaker 11: before I check out, I just want to give a

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Speaker 11: big shout out to our man Mike and Los Angeles,

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Speaker 11: first of all for his service to our country, and

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Speaker 11: also I appreciate that somewhat older than I listen, so

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Speaker 11: that's good because I know people made the reference of

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Speaker 11: Joe Burrow with Andrew Luck, but I don't ever get

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Speaker 11: the sense Andrew Luck ever loved football as bunch as

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Speaker 11: Joe Burrow does, because he just keeps coming back from

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Speaker 11: these catastrophic injuries. The con for Joe Burrow, and I

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Speaker 11: think Mike from LA might be the only person that

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Speaker 11: gets this because this guy played fifty years ago was

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Speaker 11: Burt Jones, who played for the Baltimore Colts, and I

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Speaker 11: encourage everyone to go on YouTube and watch him because

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Speaker 11: he was fifty years ahead of his time. He looked

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Speaker 11: at a modern quarterback in the seventies, constantly getting injured

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Speaker 11: because he was so dying competitive. He would throw an

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Speaker 11: interception and would run down try to make the tackle

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Speaker 11: and then would lead to like a separated shoulder. And

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Speaker 11: Joe's a very competitive guy as well. So just again

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Speaker 11: a shout out to Mike again for his great service

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Speaker 11: to our country.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it, John, thank you for the phone call.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think that it's it's fair to

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Speaker 2: compare Andrew Luck and Joe Burrow the people. I think

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Speaker 2: there are two very different individuals, very different points in

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Speaker 2: their life. Could not be more different as far as

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Speaker 2: I'm concerned. You can, however, compare the situations that they're in,

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Speaker 2: you know, with I think there was a lot of

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Speaker 2: people at times when Luck got to Indianapolis that said,

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Speaker 2: Chuck Pagano was in over his head and obviously he

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Speaker 2: had a bunch of stuff going on off the field,

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Speaker 2: and then you get to uh, Bruce Arians and he

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Speaker 2: probably should have been along, you know, been you know,

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Speaker 2: uh what's the word I'm looking for, given a better chance,

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Speaker 2: or held on too long. I don't remember exactly how

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Speaker 2: things played out in Indianapolis, but they had a guy

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Speaker 2: in Chris Ballard, their GM, who's completely clueless. He's not

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Speaker 2: good at his job, He's terrible. I don't trust him

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Speaker 2: at all. Same thing can be applied to Duke Tobin.

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Speaker 2: Does anybody here think Duke Tobin is good at what

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Speaker 2: he does?

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Speaker 10: No?

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Speaker 2: Does anybody here believe that Duke Tobin can turn the

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Speaker 2: franchise around.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 2: Now, I give Duke for credit for trying. He has

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Speaker 2: invested heavily in that offensive line, draft picks and financially,

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Speaker 2: but it hasn't worked. And then you look at the

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Speaker 2: other string of draft picks that have failed miserably. You

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Speaker 2: have no other place to turn to but to blame

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Speaker 2: Duke Tobin. And so the ineptitude of the Colts cost

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Speaker 2: Andrew Luck ultimately his career. The ineptitude of the Bengals

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Speaker 2: has cost them three half seasons or whatever it is

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Speaker 2: with Joe Burrow without him like that should be unacceptable.

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Speaker 2: You should be searching the ends of the earth to

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Speaker 2: figure out how do we prevent this from happening again,

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Speaker 2: which would be calling a guy like Bill Callahan. Now,

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Speaker 2: by the way, Kevin Stefanski was asked about Bill Callahan,

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Speaker 2: the Browns head coach basically said, you know, hate that

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Speaker 2: ever happened in Tennessee and feel bad for him, and

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Speaker 2: you know love those guys talk to Brian, but I

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Speaker 2: haven't talked to Bill. So they're asking the same questions

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Speaker 2: in Cleveland because their offensive line needs help, and Bill

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Speaker 2: Callahan obviously is a former offensive line coach with the Browns.

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Speaker 2: But that would be an aggressive move to try to

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Speaker 2: make your team better immediately, especially when it comes to

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Speaker 2: developing young linemen like Dylan Fairchild, like Amarius Mimes, like

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Speaker 2: Jalen Rivers.

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Speaker 3: It would be a.

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Speaker 2: Huge even seth McLaughlin and Matt Lee. If you want

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Speaker 2: to go further on down the depth chart, you have

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Speaker 2: to consider those things. Don't know that the Bengals would

648
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Speaker 2: do it because they just don't do that kind of thing,

649
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Speaker 2: which is a major problem. You can do an entire

650
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Speaker 2: show about they just don't do it that way. Well,

651
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 2: there's a problem with that. You need to be an

652
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: aggressive pursuit of a championship at all times. That's that's

653
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Speaker 2: the whole point of the job. And so to circle

654
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Speaker 2: back to the injury luck thing, they're not even close. Individuals,

655
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Speaker 2: different points of life, different values, different upbringings, Burrow and

656
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Speaker 2: Luck are not even close to the same person, but

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Speaker 2: they did suffer from similar situations organizationally when it came

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Speaker 2: to the inaptitude around them and the inability to build

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Speaker 2: around them to protect them. And that's a major issue.

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Speaker 2: We'll take a break, we'll come back. Phone line still

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Speaker 2: open at five point three seven four nine, fifteen thirty,

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Speaker 2: Since he three sixty Hour one rolling right along, almost done,

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Speaker 2: already getting into hour two. You'll hear from Joe Flacco

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Speaker 2: and Jamar Chase what they had to say yesterday the

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Speaker 2: Bengals lethal combination Joe and Jamar just like we all

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Speaker 2: expected tomorrow night at pay Corp Stadium. Let's go back

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Speaker 2: to the phones. Five one three seven four nine, fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk to Chris in Alexandria. What's up, Chris?

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Speaker 14: Hey, Audi, thanks for taking my call, man.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for giving me a ring. What's on your mind?

676
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Speaker 14: Hey, I'm out here in a field finishing my mowing

677
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Speaker 14: down in a Verona, Kentucky. So if it's a little windy,

678
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 14: I keep thinking the grass is gonna be done growing

679
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Speaker 14: for the year, but it just keeps coming up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Hey, I got a.

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Speaker 14: Little, quick, little comparison I was thinking about today that

682
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Speaker 14: really I don't know, maybe you'll think it's cheezy, but

683
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Speaker 14: you know, the last couple of weeks in the show

684
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 14: been a little rocky, just like the Bengals season, And

685
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Speaker 14: it felt like last week things really kind of came

686
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Speaker 14: derailed and changed as we've known them for the last

687
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Speaker 14: few years. And you know, we feel it. And I

688
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Speaker 14: want to give credit to Chad Brendle. He came in

689
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Speaker 14: like a Joe Flacco in the worst possible time. The

690
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 14: wheels are coming off, the team is bad, Tony's gone,

691
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Speaker 14: Jim Kelly passes away. He gets the ship going, keeps

692
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Speaker 14: us moving forward, and here we are finding our way

693
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Speaker 14: and things start to feel a little calmer, Things start

694
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Speaker 14: to feel a little bit okay, And you know that's.

695
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Speaker 2: Kind of how the Bengal season is right now.

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Speaker 14: It's like okay. Well, for the first time in the

697
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Speaker 14: last several weeks. We're going into a game tomorrow night,

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Speaker 14: and I'm like, well, we got a guy that can

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Speaker 14: give us a chance. We have the advantage, right, It's

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Speaker 14: a short week, dealers have to travel, we've got the

701
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Speaker 14: white out game. There are some outside factors that give

702
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Speaker 14: us a little bit of an advantage. There's one thing

703
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Speaker 14: I want to talk about that I think some people

704
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Speaker 14: and you were talking about the draft picks earlier. These

705
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Speaker 14: are the guys that Golden wanted, right like, these are

706
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Speaker 14: the guys that he didn't hand pick them. But these

707
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Speaker 14: are guys that we signed based on we got this

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Speaker 14: coach that can coach young guys, and we need to

709
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Speaker 14: get the young guys in there. And if you look

710
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Speaker 14: at this draft, good, better and different. Based on the

711
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Speaker 14: other guys that we have, man if Rivers and fair

712
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Speaker 14: Child really do pan out.

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Speaker 3: That's huge.

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Speaker 14: You draft two guards in this draft that can start

715
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Speaker 14: for you and play at a high level. And if

716
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Speaker 14: Barrett can do anything. I hate I hate Logan Wilson

717
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Speaker 14: being bench. He's one of my favorite Bengals. But if

718
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Speaker 14: they're really making this move, and as you said, it

719
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Speaker 14: turns out to not be a complete desperation move, it

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Speaker 14: actually looks like there is a plan and Barrett's playing

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Speaker 14: good and night comes around and all of a sudden,

722
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Speaker 14: Shamar Stewart comes in. It's like, well, we really kind

723
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Speaker 14: of had a great draft if you look at it

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Speaker 14: that way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I without a doubt. I do think

726
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 2: that's that's putting a lot on the word if and

727
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Speaker 2: a lot on hope. And I understand that, but that's

728
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Speaker 2: that's that's you have to do that with every single

729
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Speaker 2: draft pick. So I hear what you're saying that.

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Speaker 14: I'm a Bengals fan that's sitting on a two and

731
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Speaker 14: four record with Joe Flacco as my quarterback.

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Speaker 3: I gotta go with a lot of fear.

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Speaker 2: That is exactly right. Chris, Hey, Audie, keep up the

734
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Speaker 2: good work. Thanks for taking my call. Yeah, thank you,

735
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Speaker 2: thanks for calling in. That is uh Chris and Alexander. Yeah, man,

736
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Speaker 2: it's yes, like there is there's a path. There's a

737
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Speaker 2: way to believe it. Like, yes, I get where you're

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Speaker 2: coming from, and I do think he's right. Like whether

739
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 2: it's one of those three paths that I outlined in

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Speaker 2: the first hour, it does feel like either way there's

741
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Speaker 2: some sort of a plan, and it's like Okay, these

742
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 2: are al goldens, guys, And I've talked of it in

743
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Speaker 2: the past and and part of the reason why I'm

744
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: at the present moment out on Zach Taylor is because

745
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati, the coaches have a unique impact on the drafting,

746
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 2: on the scouting, on the developing. Now you can say

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Speaker 2: that this in and of itself is flawed, right, There

748
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Speaker 2: are other teams with bigger scouting departments, with more analytics,

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Speaker 2: with other tools at their disposal that they have invested

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Speaker 2: in that help them to draft and develop and maintain

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Speaker 2: a level of consistency in what they do, and that

752
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Speaker 2: helps them. And I think that's a fair point. And

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Speaker 2: maybe you look at the Bengals style of things, which

754
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Speaker 2: is that the assistant coaches of which there are many,

755
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 2: have an extensive amount of knowledge and usefulness when it

756
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Speaker 2: comes to scouting these players and working with these players

757
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Speaker 2: and studying these players prior to drafting them. They basically

758
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: use the coaches as scouts. I can see why that

759
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: would make sense. I can see why it could be

760
00:42:54,239 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 2: an issue. It also, I think is the big reason

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Speaker 2: why there was a disconnect with lou Ana Rumo and

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Speaker 2: with the front office staff, because there are scouts, and

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Speaker 2: there are player personnel people, and they have a philosophy

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Speaker 2: in a belief and those young players that they had

765
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 2: invested in weren't playing as much, weren't having an impact,

766
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Speaker 2: and you kind of need to know what they're going

767
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 2: to be before you shift to the next face. And

768
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,959
Speaker 2: that's kind of what this season feels like, at least

769
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Speaker 2: defensively when it comes to these young young guys playing.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I get where a lot of people

771
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Speaker 2: come from in the sense of the Bengals need a

772
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Speaker 2: bigger scouting staff and Duke Tobin needs to go and

773
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Speaker 2: all of that. I do think the situation is unique

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Speaker 2: the way that they use their coaches as scouts. I

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Speaker 2: can see where it's an issue. I can see wherein

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Speaker 2: it's advantage, where it's an advantage. But all I can

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Speaker 2: do is look at what have you done for me lately?

778
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Speaker 2: And so far the last few years, it's been a

779
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 2: lot of misses, not a lot of hits. Hopefully by

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Speaker 2: the end of this year, and again there's that word hope.

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Speaker 2: By the end of this year, you look around and say, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Dylan Fairchild, hit okay, DJ Turner, took you a minute,

783
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 2: hit okay, Barrett Carter hit Okay, Shamar Stewart hit, I

784
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Speaker 2: think we all want that. It just feels like we're

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Speaker 2: a long way away from that. More Bengals conversation, more

786
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Speaker 2: phone calls. Next hour two of SINCY three to sixty

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Speaker 2: Hi, Hello, Welcome in hour two of SINCY three sixty.

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Speaker 2: Here on ESPN fifteen thirty. I am Austin Elmore. Happy

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Speaker 2: to be with you up until three o'clock. Moeger takes

799
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Speaker 2: over after that. Bengals game plan this evening as well.

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Speaker 2: From six to eight, Dan and Lapp will be joined

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Speaker 2: by Sam Hubbard, Bengals legend. In the first hour, I

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Speaker 2: missed the vibes of Sam Hubbard. Sam was good vibes

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Speaker 2: all the time. You know, great guy, great leader. A

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Speaker 2: lot of people love Sam Hubbard, the Cincinnati kid. We

805
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Speaker 2: all know that. But he was good vibes. He was

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Speaker 2: good vibes. I miss having Sam around here and from Sam.

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Speaker 2: Bengals could probably use a little bit of those good

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00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 2: vibes right about now. I would think maybe, maybe not.

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Speaker 2: I don't know either way. Sam Hubbard later this afternoon

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Speaker 2: with Dan and Lap. Speaking of Dan, how about Dan Pitcher,

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Speaker 2: the Bengals offensive coordinator. He was asked about Joe Flacco's

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Speaker 2: performance in Green Bay after a whirlwind of a week.

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Speaker 16: Well, I mean, you look at the totality of it.

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Speaker 16: He got here on a Tuesday in an offense he's

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Speaker 16: never played in. Granted, we do a lot. I mean,

816
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Speaker 16: everybody runs the same place to some extent with their

817
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Speaker 16: own twist, but new words new people. Didn't know any

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Speaker 16: of us, none of us really knew him.

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Speaker 3: You know, and we operated.

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Speaker 10: We went out there.

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Speaker 16: You know, we talked about being clean pre we were

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Speaker 16: in and out of the huddle. We I think I

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Speaker 16: think we had to take one time out in the

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Speaker 16: second half down on the low red zone where you know,

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Speaker 16: when we got down on it but other than that,

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Speaker 16: there's not pre snap procedure issues or weren't penalty issues.

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Speaker 16: He took care of the football, He made some remarkable throws,

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Speaker 16: particularly in the second half of that game. Me to

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Speaker 16: just walk in the door and do that. Obviously, we

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Speaker 16: didn't win the football game, and that's disappointing, but pretty impressible.

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Speaker 2: Dan Pitcher talking about the new Bengals quarterback Joe Flacco.

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Speaker 2: I agree with him. Obviously, not easy to do what

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Speaker 2: Flacco did, and I do feel like, all considered, second

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Speaker 2: half feels like something you can build off of and

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Speaker 2: it's a good quick It's a good thing because there's

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Speaker 2: a quick turnaround for this Thursday. And I would feel like,

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Speaker 2: if you're the Bengals the way you played in the

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Speaker 2: second half, specifically offensively in Green Bay, you're kind of

839
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Speaker 2: chomping at the bit to get back out there and

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Speaker 2: do it again, even if you feel like crap, even

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00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 2: if your body's a little bit beat up, even if

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00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 2: you hate doing it on a short week, You're kind

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00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 2: of chomping at the bit to get back out there

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Speaker 2: and give yourself another shot. And especially against the team

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Speaker 2: like Pittsburgh. Well, Joe Flacco met with the media yesterday,

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Speaker 2: he was asked about Mike Tomlin and the Pittsburgh Steelers

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Speaker 2: and going up against him again.

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Speaker 17: Listen, I mean, I think they've been Look how consistent

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Speaker 17: they've been over the last twenty years. I mean, how

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Speaker 17: long has he been there now, oh, twenty years or more.

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Speaker 17: They're always physical. I think I think they found out

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Speaker 17: who they wanted to be as a team early on,

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Speaker 17: and they've continued to build their teams off of that,

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Speaker 17: and that's why they always have a chance.

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Speaker 2: Would you catch one of his comments yesterday.

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Speaker 17: Not specifically, I heard he was talking about it a

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Speaker 17: little bit, you know, the fact that I'm on I'm

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Speaker 17: on the Bengals.

859
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Speaker 18: But what do you what do you make of the

860
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 18: fact that that he was maybe a little bit more

861
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 18: upset than and he's previously showing press or something else

862
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 18: your square.

863
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 3: I don't know.

864
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 17: I didn't see it. I didn't see I didn't get

865
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 17: to see how upset he was. Uh, But you know,

866
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:27,959
Speaker 17: I think he's probably just playing the game a little

867
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 17: bit and you know, doing whatever he has to do.

868
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 3: So you've beat him a few I beat him a

869
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:32,720
Speaker 3: few times.

870
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 19: I mean, there's been some travyyar eleven and eleven against us,

871
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 19: but all sorts of games with them.

872
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 17: Yeah, I played him last year. I didn't get to

873
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 17: win because I didn't start the game. But we we did,

874
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 17: we we we we were able to get him last year.

875
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 10: Dude.

876
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 17: I have so many great memories of playing these guys

877
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 17: and so much respect for for them as a team.

878
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 17: Even though they've changed over the years, still a lot

879
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 17: of those same guys and familiar faces, and you know,

880
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 17: just a lot of respect for what they've been able

881
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 17: to do. And always battling against those guys, you know

882
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 17: you're in.

883
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 10: For a good one.

884
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 3: It's the same.

885
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 10: Yeah, they listen.

886
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 17: They had the same ideas you know, as they always

887
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 17: have and that's why they're successful.

888
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 20: I know every game is must when you want to

889
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 20: win every game, but when you look at the standings,

890
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 20: does it feel like this one is even more crucial?

891
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 20: Given where they are and where you are.

892
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 17: It's tough to put that kind of pressure on yourself

893
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 17: and your team. You know, you just got to go

894
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 17: out there and you got to take it each play

895
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 17: at a time, and each one of you has to

896
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 17: do your do your own job and focus on that.

897
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 17: And I think I think the more you can focus

898
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 17: on being in the present and just doing your job

899
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 17: than the results. Take care of themselves the best way,

900
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 17: and went.

901
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:35,919
Speaker 3: Back and watch the screen base.

902
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 17: I think the biggest thing is just being able to

903
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 17: settle in and and and and and do that same

904
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 17: thing like take it, take take the easy things. Uh,

905
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 17: don't get ahead of yourself, and you know, and just

906
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 17: be patient. I think that's one of the biggest things.

907
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 7: They'd already put in the game plan last week by

908
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 7: the time of got here, so you didn't have much

909
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 7: time and now this is a short week.

910
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 3: This you feel like you're drinking from a fire hose

911
00:49:58,719 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 3: a little bit here.

912
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 17: It's just part of it. You have to be able

913
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 17: to go with the flow. If you're in a situation

914
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 17: that I'm in right now, I mean, listen, I welcome it.

915
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 17: I get a chance to play football. So this is

916
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 17: how it has to be, you know, in my situation.

917
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 17: So the alternative doesn't look great. You know, you're sitting

918
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 17: on the bench somewhere, so you just got to look

919
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,919
Speaker 17: at the positives in it. And of course you're trying

920
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 17: to figure things out on the fly a little bit.

921
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 10: But it's an exciting challenge.

922
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 17: And like I said, the alternative isn't necessarily the best option, so.

923
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 21: Which help the game reps with this group now for

924
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 21: at least a game to see what works.

925
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 17: Just I think it's just it's just good to get

926
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 17: in the huddle with those guys and when during live

927
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 17: action and be able to communicate and just kind of

928
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 17: look into guy's eyes and and then obviously from you know,

929
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 17: me and Zach's standpoint, just kind of getting an idea

930
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 17: of you know what we can do and you know

931
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 17: how we can move forward best.

932
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 10: So I think it was there's a lot of help

933
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 10: to that.

934
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 18: What is it like when Jamar comes to you and says,

935
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,760
Speaker 18: I understand it called was this, but oh.

936
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 10: Yeah, I know you think it like I don't.

937
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,439
Speaker 17: I don't think he's out there freestyle and at least

938
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 17: not with me right now, you know, and listen. I mean, ultimately,

939
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 17: if he came to me and said, hey, I know

940
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 17: the plays this, but I'm gonna do this, I'd I'd say, Okay,

941
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 17: I guess, yeah, that's what you're gonna do.

942
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 10: Okay, it sounds good to me.

943
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 17: I would uh, I would lean on him to feel

944
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 17: it out.

945
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 10: But I don't.

946
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 17: I don't I don't necessarily see that happening. But I'm

947
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 17: just saying hypothetically, if he was to come to me

948
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 17: and do that, I'd just say, yes, sir, that's that's

949
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 17: what we'll do.

950
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 7: Jamr spoke with a lot of confidence about what happened

951
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 7: in the second half of that game.

952
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 10: Do you think that can carry over?

953
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 7: I know every game is different, but what you started

954
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 7: to get into in that second half, that chemistry, can

955
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 7: that carryover?

956
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 17: I think confidence is always important, and when guys feel

957
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 17: like we can do something that is important. But yeah,

958
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 17: you can't. You can't look at too much into that.

959
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 17: You still got to be able to go. You still

960
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 17: got to prepare first of all, and then just go

961
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 17: out there and worry about the job that you have

962
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 17: it at hand. I know it's a team sport, but

963
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 17: the best teams, you know, are the ones where each

964
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 17: individual takes care of their job and then that's how

965
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 17: you come.

966
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 10: Together as a group.

967
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,280
Speaker 17: So it's hard to focus on all the other stuff

968
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 17: besides just going and doing your job, and I think

969
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 17: that's where the confidence will ultimately end up coming from.

970
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 4: There's a lot of that.

971
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 7: You just settling in to a brand new spot, brand

972
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 7: new team, all the calls was a lot of that.

973
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 10: A factor from that first half second half. Yeah, the difference,

974
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 10: I don't know.

975
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:34,959
Speaker 17: I mean, there's probably part piece of it, for sure,

976
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 17: and just being able to settle in a little bit

977
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,240
Speaker 17: and then you know, and then they do some pretty

978
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 17: good stuff, so they challenge you in certain ways and

979
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 17: you know, you adapt a little bit.

980
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 10: But yeah, it's a combination.

981
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:53,919
Speaker 2: That's Bengals quarterback Joe Flacco talking about Pittsburgh about last

982
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 2: week getting some momentum in the second half, and also

983
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 2: talking about Jamar Chase. If you remember, we had Joe

984
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 2: Daniman on yet yesterday and Joe kind of talked about

985
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:07,760
Speaker 2: it's underrated how smart Jamar Chase is, his football IQ,

986
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 2: his ability to understand the offense almost at a quarterback level,

987
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 2: and how helpful that can be to a Joe Flacco

988
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 2: also helpful when if you just throw it in his direction,

989
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 2: he'll find a way to catch it, but kind of

990
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 2: going off script and changing a route and understanding the

991
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 2: leverage of a corner and all that sort of stuff,

992
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 2: and how helpful that can be to a quarterback. And

993
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 2: we heard, you know, Flacco talk a little bit about

994
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 2: that and Jamar met with the media yesterday as well,

995
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 2: he was asked about that. And this is a couple

996
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 2: of minutes of Jamar and it starts with a question

997
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 2: from Charlie Goldsmith.

998
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 22: Just in general, though it feels like kind of pre

999
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 22: staff conversations you can help guys get lined up and such.

1000
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 22: What gives you, you know, the confidence, you know, the

1001
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 22: IQ and all that kind of stuff to be able

1002
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 22: to do that.

1003
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 23: Uh, just offense. That's the biggest thing on an offense.

1004
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 23: I've been moving a lot these past two years, just

1005
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 23: moving all a little right at ZNF. So the more

1006
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 23: of the motor offense that I know, the more they

1007
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 23: moved me around, the more that can help others.

1008
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 22: Do you feel like, especially with you know, with Burrow

1009
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 22: hurt like your ideas and you're kind of saying ideas

1010
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,240
Speaker 22: for what the offense could do in certain spots carries

1011
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 22: even more away.

1012
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,399
Speaker 23: I mean, I feel like I've always had I say

1013
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 23: so in the offense a Za I always listened to

1014
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 23: any opinion I have bring up to him. But I

1015
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 23: was just it's just sometimes he has to listen, sometimes

1016
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 23: he doesn't. Same thing with Joe was here. Sometimes he listens,

1017
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 23: sometimes he doesn't.

1018
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 7: Based on how well you know the offense, not that

1019
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 7: you want to play quarterback.

1020
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 10: Do you think you could play quarterback? Do you know

1021
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 10: it that well? Ah, I'm just curious how well you

1022
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 10: know it?

1023
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 23: Let me I mean, I know it, Yeah, I can,

1024
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 23: I can. I don't want to play quarterback. Let me

1025
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 23: say that I don't want to play I don't want

1026
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 23: to play quarterback. But I can tell like guys like

1027
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 23: you here, here, here, and here. Yeah, I can do that,

1028
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 23: but I'm not wanting to.

1029
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 10: Play a quarterback now.

1030
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 7: I mean, how much of a weapon is that for

1031
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 7: you to know it that well? To be able to

1032
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:11,879
Speaker 7: help your teammates I guess in some ways benefit just.

1033
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 23: In case, you know, Joe Mike probably playing backwards are wrong,

1034
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 23: maybe you might mess up. You know, we we correct

1035
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 23: them in a huddle, and that helps us know what

1036
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 23: we're doing and confidence within ourselves too. You know what

1037
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 23: is Jayalen brought to the Jen Ranching versatile? Very versatile.

1038
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 23: You safety corner Nickel, you know sometimes he's in a box.

1039
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 23: I mean it's very versatile.

1040
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 22: How often before the snap do you have an idea

1041
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 22: of what's going to happen then it actually happens.

1042
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 23: What would you say your success rate is predict what's

1043
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:48,399
Speaker 23: about to happen. I'm abou to say like sixty five.

1044
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 23: I wouldn't give it that high because a lot of

1045
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 23: the stuff they did throw a lot of tricks towards

1046
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 23: my side, So probably like sixty five percent of the time.

1047
00:55:55,680 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 3: When you sideline talking, can you suggest some plays or

1048
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 3: you know, just general stuff?

1049
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 23: Pretty much everything plays, coverages, what I like, what I

1050
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 23: don't like, uh, what we could have did better? I

1051
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 23: felt like, you know, all the day above. You know,

1052
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 23: he's our ears whenever I talk whatever happens on the field.

1053
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 18: Is that communication always like that, like even when you

1054
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 18: were a rookie year second year player, or has that

1055
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 18: developed over the years that you've been in the NFL?

1056
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:34,240
Speaker 23: Definitely developed over time. I want to say. My rookie

1057
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 23: was just like me going up to him and being like,

1058
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 23: can I get the ball or something like that, and

1059
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 23: then maybe like my thirty eight, eventually I started to

1060
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 23: be like, can we run this, you know, can we

1061
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 23: get this play in? Can we throw this?

1062
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 10: You know?

1063
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 23: And over time he started to you know, let it happen.

1064
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 18: How much of the difference do you think that makes,

1065
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 18: Like having a receiver like yourself who can make suggestions

1066
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 18: like that and can have that dialogue with the play calling.

1067
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 23: I mean, he believes in what I see. You know,

1068
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 23: that's the biggest thing. I got to go out there

1069
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 23: and leave my eyes at the end of the day

1070
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 23: and don't matter if they're disguising it, just messing with

1071
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 23: me in general. You know, I gotta come back there

1072
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 23: sometimes I come back to the sideline, just look at

1073
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 23: the iPad and just try to see how they blamed me.

1074
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 24: To Jamar, it was it was really more pointed towards

1075
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 24: the Brown's organization.

1076
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 10: But did you hear what.

1077
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 17: Mike Tomlin said about you guys acquiring Joe in season?

1078
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 3: And yes, do you care?

1079
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 23: Uh what he said?

1080
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 10: Yeah?

1081
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 23: Really, I mean it's not it's not negative or out at.

1082
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 2: The end of the day, What did you think when

1083
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 2: you saw it?

1084
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 23: I kept scrolling where you where.

1085
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 20: You shot when you found out at the bank was

1086
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 20: completely trade with the Browns. Were You're just surprise from that?

1087
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 14: Uh?

1088
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 23: Yeah, I was a little I was a little in

1089
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 23: the awe at that moment. He brung it to me,

1090
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 23: so I didn't I didn't know if it was really not,

1091
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 23: especially with brun business. I don't know what t you

1092
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 23: messing with me, saying so, I ain't know if it

1093
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 23: was true.

1094
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 20: He's not that he's going pleasure.

1095
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 23: Yeah, he messes with me all the time. What's the

1096
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 23: best we did? I can't say that out loud. He

1097
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 23: got me thought, yeah, you got. I can't say that.

1098
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 23: I would you describe as a player very veteran, like

1099
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 23: you can tell you. You can tell you watches a lot

1100
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 23: of films just by how he plays. But he's a good, good,

1101
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 23: good overall defender. You know, he's very versatile, does everything.

1102
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 23: So that's never somebody they wanted the team.

1103
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 2: Good stuff there from Bengals wide receiver Jamar Chase, most

1104
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 2: notably just about the football IQ and the impact that

1105
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 2: he has. And also I do think if if we

1106
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 2: want to be positive, if we want to say something

1107
00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 2: good about Zach Taylor and about the culture that he's established.

1108
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 2: First of all, we'll talk a little bit later on

1109
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 2: about the Logan Wilson Barrett Carter thing, and I think

1110
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 2: that's indicative of the culture. But also Jamar and being

1111
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 2: very open and honest about Yes, if I need to

1112
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 2: talk to Zach, I'll talk to Zach, and Zach listens

1113
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 2: to me. And Joe listens to me, and sometimes we

1114
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 2: agree and sometimes we don't. Sometimes it happens and sometimes

1115
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 2: it don't. Grown men having a conversation. One of the

1116
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 2: most important things in life is communicating. Can you adequately

1117
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 2: communicate with others? Can you have difficult conversations, especially when

1118
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 2: you're working together towards a common goal. I think when

1119
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 2: you've been around each other for a long time, when

1120
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 2: you understand each other, that becomes a lot easier to

1121
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 2: have some of those quote unquote difficult conversations. But I

1122
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 2: think Zach deserves some credit for that. And also in

1123
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 2: this stretch, despite the fact that they haven't necessarily performed well,

1124
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 2: the offense is still being built around Jamar Chase and

1125
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 2: it's hey, give him the football. He gives us our

1126
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 2: best chance. It's not like he's building game plans around

1127
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:15,919
Speaker 2: Noah Fant and andre Josivash. Now andre Josevash maybe doesn't

1128
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 2: deserve as many targets after last last week's game, but

1129
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 2: it's not like he's continually doing that. It's at least

1130
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 2: let's build the offense around Jamar Chase. Let's get him

1131
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 2: involved constantly. Let's use t when Jamar is being doubled

1132
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 2: and they're throwing stuff at him and so on and

1133
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 2: so forth. I think that's a good thing. I think

1134
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 2: that's a positive Talkback's coming up next, but first, got

1135
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 2: time for another phone call. Five one, three, seven, four, nine,

1136
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. Let's go to DJ in Union. What's up, DJ?

1137
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 23: Hey?

1138
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 12: Atti, Uh doing a great job, Bud, he got a lot.

1139
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 12: I let's see if I can communicate from what you

1140
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 12: said my thoughts so okay, my feeling, my feeling last

1141
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 12: coming out of last season was the team was constructed

1142
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 12: all wrong. So we Joe had in an out unbelievable season,

1143
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:06,959
Speaker 12: they still couldn't get there. So I feel like they

1144
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 12: had the team built all wrong. They needed to fix

1145
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 12: the defense, They needed to fix the offensive line. They

1146
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 12: didn't need to sign Higgins, they did need to sign

1147
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 12: the sickie and set the team up such that when

1148
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 12: Joe's not there, the team can be competitive and even

1149
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 12: contend for playoff spot. But when he is there, they're

1150
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,439
Speaker 12: championship level. And you can see how much, and you've

1151
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 12: talked about this, how much him being there masked all

1152
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 12: of the deficiencies. And I just feel like, you know,

1153
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 12: hopefully this lesson teaches them that guys Joe's This isn't

1154
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 12: probably going to be the last time Joe's hurt.

1155
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 9: I hope it is.

1156
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 12: But when Joe's not there, we can't just fold up

1157
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 12: the tent and go away. Now, when Joe is here,

1158
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 12: I think he can raise the level of the skilled players,

1159
01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 12: and I would say Chase is otherworldly, there's no question,

1160
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 12: but the rest of those guys. Burrow at his best

1161
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 12: can raise the level of those if somebody blocks form.

1162
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 12: So hopefully they learn a lesson coming out of the

1163
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 12: season that they've got to fix the offensive line and

1164
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 12: fix the defense and then let Joe not have to

1165
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 12: carry the whole team.

1166
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 2: So basically, your big thing was t Higgins Mike GASICKI.

1167
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 2: Those signings hindered them from being able to build the

1168
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 2: team correctly this year. Am I getting that correctly?

1169
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 12: I think I think that had some impact. I think

1170
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 12: they could have used those dollars. My only issue is

1171
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 12: though I'm not sure they know what to do when

1172
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:46,439
Speaker 12: they signed creations and when they draft. But theoretically, yes,

1173
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 12: I didn't think they needed more skill players. Those skilled players,

1174
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 12: I think other guys can fill the second receiver role

1175
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 12: and the tight end. You can you know, that's my fault.

1176
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 12: I know Joe wanted them, but that wasn't what was

1177
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 12: best for Joe and best for the team, all.

1178
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 2: Right, fair enough, DJ, thank you for the phone call.

1179
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 2: I appreciate it, all right, but thanks.

1180
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1181
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if I necessarily agree with that.

1182
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 2: I think a lot of Bengals fans would tell you

1183
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 2: they trust Joe Burrow more than they do. Zach Taylor

1184
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 2: and Duke Tobin. Zach Taylor and Duke Tobin drafted Jermaine Burton.

1185
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 2: What's he doing? Terrible? Andre Josavas loved the guy, fan favorite,

1186
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 2: awesome dude, had some big drops last week. Hasn't really

1187
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 2: ascended the way we all expected him to. That's another

1188
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 2: late round pick. Charlie Jones, another likable dude, versatile special teamer,

1189
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 2: no impact whatsoever in the past game. Mitchell Tinsley. They

1190
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 2: took a flyer on off of waivers from Washington. He

1191
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 2: seems to be developing. Well, that's cool, But if t

1192
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 2: Higgins isn't here and Mike Kasicki's not here, it's Noah

1193
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 2: Fense and Drew and Tanner Hudson and Mitch Tinsley and

1194
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 2: Andre Joseavash and Jermaine Burton. You want to talk about

1195
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 2: making life hell for Jamar Chase and for any quarterback really,

1196
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 2: And also that contract. I think we kind of nip

1197
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 2: this narrative in the bud that the t Higgins contract

1198
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 2: really hurt the Bengals. It didn't. It's a Bengals friendly

1199
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 2: contract and there's plenty of room cap spase moving forward

1200
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 2: for this team to build it adequately. I wish they

1201
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 2: would have made different choices in the draft. I wish

1202
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 2: they would have been more aggressive, and I wish the

1203
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 2: whole Trey Hendrickson thing wouldn't have been drawn out. And

1204
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 2: I've been very open about my belief on that that, yeah,

1205
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 2: Trey's worth it this year, after that, probably not. And

1206
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 2: I agree with the way the Bengals handled things. But

1207
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 2: the problem is they believe that they can't do anything

1208
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 2: else until after those contracts are finished up, and it

1209
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 2: puts them behind the eight ball and it has them

1210
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 2: playing catchup and it has them scraping the bargain bin.

1211
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 2: The philosophy in player acquisition and development needs to be improved.

1212
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 2: I almost I actually kind of trust them with free agents.

1213
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 2: We've seen them hit on free agents in the past.

1214
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 2: At least over the last few years more than they've missed.

1215
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 2: There's been some misses, no doubt, but there's also been

1216
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 2: a lot of hits. And you're about to enter this

1217
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 2: window where, yes, Joe and Jamar and Ti are going

1218
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 2: to be paid a lot, but you're still going to

1219
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 2: have the space to be able to supplement the rest

1220
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 2: of the roster, which is why you need draft picks.

1221
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 2: And if this thing unravels, you should be trading Trey

1222
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 2: Hendrickson and Logan Wilson and anyone else. I do I'm

1223
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 2: not ready for the trade t Higgins thing. I don't

1224
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:47,919
Speaker 2: think it's a realistic possibility, but you should be doing

1225
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 2: that and try to acquire as many picks as you can.

1226
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 2: You should be open to trading back and acquiring more picks,

1227
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:57,919
Speaker 2: and you should supplement those picks with free agent acquisitions.

1228
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 2: But he's right our color DJ there. The team should

1229
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 2: be able to, at the bare minimum operate in the

1230
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 2: absence of Joe Burrow to keep themselves competitive. And when

1231
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 2: Joe is on the field, they are elite championship contenders.

1232
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 2: And right now it's without Joe, they're just trying to

1233
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 2: stay above water. They're just there trying to survive and

1234
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 2: with Joe they're pretty good, but maybe not the elite

1235
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 2: championship contender we all want them to be. Take a

1236
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 2: break for talkbacks next on ESPN fifteen thirty.

1237
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1243
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1244
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1245
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1258
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Speaker 2: We'll see all right, let's get to the talkbacks.

1259
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 26: So Cam Heywards Collins, tomorrown Ip Icy Hot Bowl. I

1260
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 26: thought that'd be pretty funny. I think some call it

1261
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 26: the Uncle Bowl. I think it should be sponsored by

1262
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:54,919
Speaker 26: Tri State Mental. Oh, maybe do a giveaway. First ten

1263
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 26: thousand male fans forty at older get a free test

1264
01:07:58,800 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 26: those What about that.

1265
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 3: Kid from the left shout out to you.

1266
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 26: I heard you on the Moleager show yesterday.

1267
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 27: Take care of our body and whoday?

1268
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 2: What's going on? Ken's cheating on me? Ken's over there

1269
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 2: talking to mo Now. Uh no, that's funny though. Yeah,

1270
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 2: I've heard it called the unk Bowl, the Unction, the

1271
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 2: Icy Hot Bowl. I mean, I'm sure they won't talk

1272
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:20,920
Speaker 2: about it at all.

1273
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 28: This week's nursery rhyme. If you're fuck awing, you know

1274
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 28: it beats the Steelers. Hey, if you're fuck awing, you

1275
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 28: know it, beat the Steelers. If you're fuck.

1276
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 29: Going, you know it.

1277
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 28: Jim over and T will surely catch it. If you're

1278
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 28: flunk away, you know it, beat the Steelers. Do day

1279
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 28: rule the jungle, beat the.

1280
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 2: Steelers, please, nicely done. Thank you.

1281
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 3: Hey, Austin and Steve.

1282
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 30: Down here in Parkland, Florida, we want to make a

1283
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,800
Speaker 30: quick observation about the Green Bay game and about our

1284
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:54,600
Speaker 30: offensive line, probably the coaching and the effort. But I

1285
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 30: noticed during the Green Bay game day, every time they're

1286
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 30: running back, they're running back got in a scrum put

1287
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 30: for an extra two to three yards or whatever extra yard.

1288
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 30: Their offensive line jumped in behind them and pushed them,

1289
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 30: and sometimes they got an extra five to six yards.

1290
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 30: I only saw that happen once with one player from

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01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 30: the Bengals offensive line to push them forward.

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Speaker 3: Late.

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01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's happened a few times. It doesn't happen as

1294
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 2: much as it should. But again, the Bengals offensive line

1295
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 2: is soft and slow.

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Speaker 3: We know that.

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01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 31: It's not the front offices.

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01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:31,599
Speaker 3: Not Zach Taylor. Is Joe Burrow trying to.

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Speaker 10: Beat his em.

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01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 2: Oh, here we go.

1301
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 31: The Bengals to sign t Higgins and mar Chase and

1302
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 31: Trey Anderson and all these big giant contracts, and now

1303
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 31: they don't have the luxury of going.

1304
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 3: Out and signing the.

1305
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 31: Other people that they need to make that defense better.

1306
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 31: I think the young players were good, but they just

1307
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 31: can't get that other key piece of free agency.

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01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 2: Well, this is where you're wrong. First and foremost, the

1309
01:09:57,320 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 2: Bengals next year have sixty four million dollars in cap space.

1310
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 2: Sixty four million, that's that's plenty. That's a lot. The

1311
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 2: Bengals screwed up by not getting those deals done sooner,

1312
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,760
Speaker 2: and so they ended up having to pay more or

1313
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 2: else they'd probably have eighty million dollars in cap space.

1314
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 2: And Joe Burrow shouldn't have to push them to want

1315
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 2: to sign their best players and keep them around. That's

1316
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 2: a big issue. It's not Joe's fault.

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01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 32: Morny naughty, Steve Washington State for Native k twenty one years, Cincinnati,

1318
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 32: both Reds championships in the seventies, already in Marrimore and

1319
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 32: ninety Mom flies me home. I get to go to

1320
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 32: a couple of games against Pittsburgh, you know, Bengals, Reds,

1321
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 32: Bearcats twenty years, San Diego, Tony Gwin all of his years,

1322
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 32: twenty years up here in Seattle. Navy moved us up here.

1323
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 32: Hey go Mariners, Red's number one, Mariners number two. Baby

1324
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 32: moose is loose.

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01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, Steve.

1326
01:10:57,680 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 3: Quick follow up moral of the story.

1327
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:04,599
Speaker 32: Only my team's in Cincinnati have moved my blood pressure.

1328
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 32: I always cheer for the Padres, but that's kind of

1329
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:09,040
Speaker 32: Wayne because I've been up here. We've been up here

1330
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 32: twenty one years now. Nady retired US in Washington State.

1331
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 32: So I've been trying to pick up the Mariners for

1332
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:17,760
Speaker 32: a year. It's never stuck. I always wait until the

1333
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 32: Reds are dead. Unfortunately, go down the spring train a lot.

1334
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:25,439
Speaker 32: But hey, Mariner's got a good club. Look for the car,

1335
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 32: my brother.

1336
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 2: Later, All right, thank you.

1337
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 9: Man.

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01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 33: This immobile quarterback stuff's getting kind of old.

1339
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:32,800
Speaker 3: Dude.

1340
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 33: I'm forty years old myself. I can get out there

1341
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 33: and run a little bit. Granted, I've torn both hamstrings,

1342
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 33: I got five her NEI needed disc in my back

1343
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 33: and shattered and elbow once. But dude, Flack, I can run.

1344
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 33: He's only forty. Man, he's used chasing around them kids

1345
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 33: at home and stuff. I mean, Granny's got a big

1346
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 33: old linebacker breeding down his neck. But dude, I got

1347
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:54,400
Speaker 33: credit card deck breeding down my back. Bro I brother,

1348
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:56,719
Speaker 33: I have a big ol'klill mack than a twenty nine percent

1349
01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 33: interest rate.

1350
01:11:57,439 --> 01:11:58,639
Speaker 3: Dude, he's got it.

1351
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 2: Okay, sorry about your credit card debt.

1352
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:10,639
Speaker 34: Hey, Austin, Josh and hebron nonsports related question, But I'm

1353
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 34: pretty ignorant on how this whole thing works, and I

1354
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 34: was just really curious, do you have an idea about

1355
01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:19,720
Speaker 34: how many people are listening to you while you're on?

1356
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 34: You know, you hear about Netflix subscribers and box office

1357
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 34: numbers and views of a video and stuff like that,

1358
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 34: and I was just curious if you had an idea

1359
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 34: about how many people are listening to you while you're on.

1360
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:36,640
Speaker 2: No, I have no idea. There might be those metrics somewhere,

1361
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:38,640
Speaker 2: but I'd never get to see you.

1362
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 19: Hey, YAUTI, I wasn't able to talk on talkbacks last week,

1363
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:45,439
Speaker 19: but I just wanted to. First of all, I'm very

1364
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 19: sad that Tony had to go, but I'm not necessarily

1365
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:52,880
Speaker 19: comparing you to Marty and Joe, but that's time. I

1366
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 19: kind of like how you and Tony were. You know,

1367
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 19: you complimented one another, like he was the player, the funny,

1368
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:02,879
Speaker 19: humorous and you're the cerebral.

1369
01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 4: Calm guy.

1370
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 19: You were a pair, a team, and I wish you

1371
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:08,840
Speaker 19: both the best.

1372
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:10,599
Speaker 2: Thank you appreciate it.

1373
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:16,599
Speaker 21: Austin Ray from Please Up question. Do you think the

1374
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:20,639
Speaker 21: issue is really all related back to who Duke Tobin

1375
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 21: is giving the coaches to work with or do you

1376
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 21: think maybe our coaches just start up the snuff or

1377
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 21: as good as other coaches in the league. I'm just

1378
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:33,720
Speaker 21: kind of curious as to which one it is. If

1379
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 21: our coaches are that good, shouldn't they be able to

1380
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 21: work with what they've got unless what they've got to

1381
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 21: work which is really bad.

1382
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 2: I know it's a boring answer, Ray, but the truth

1383
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:45,719
Speaker 2: is probably somewhere in the middle. The coaches are probably

1384
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:49,559
Speaker 2: not elite coaches, the talent is probably not elite talent,

1385
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:53,440
Speaker 2: and sometimes when you mix the two you get suboptimal,

1386
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:56,760
Speaker 2: mediocre results. I think the Bengals have a couple of

1387
01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:01,720
Speaker 2: really good coaches. I think that Justin Riscott and Dan

1388
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 2: Pitcher are really good coaches. I think Troy Walters is

1389
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 2: an excellent coach. I don't know about Jerry Montgomery. I

1390
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 2: don't know about Scott Peters. I'm not a big fan

1391
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 2: of Charles Burke's or Darren Simmons, guys that I'm not

1392
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:20,200
Speaker 2: necessarily believers in. And on top of that, you know,

1393
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 2: there's been some talent, there's been some athleticism, it doesn't

1394
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 2: feel like they've maximized those. Then there's been development. There's

1395
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 2: been guys like Yoshi vash There's been guys like Mitchell Tinsley. There's,

1396
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 2: you know, been some young players that have come up

1397
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 2: and been productive. I just it's inconsistent, to say the least.

1398
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:43,679
Speaker 29: It's the lord. I gotta start bench cut that's uber

1399
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 29: competitive on the college slate today and the venue that

1400
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 29: used to be known as Paul Brown Stadium.

1401
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, don't care.

1402
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 35: See health traffic center where Mamba grams save lives. Someone

1403
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:08,720
Speaker 35: needs to save the offense from the booth calling the

1404
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:12,880
Speaker 35: plays of the Bengals. Expect major beckups heading into the

1405
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 35: end zone as the high powered offense goes twenty miles

1406
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:20,679
Speaker 35: per hour and constantly stalls out driving in the fast lane.

1407
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 35: Oh no, expect long device and seek alternate routes to

1408
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:27,400
Speaker 35: Santa Clara. I'm at ezellig with traffic.

1409
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:30,639
Speaker 2: Alternate routes to Santa Clara. Thank you, Eddie.

1410
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 35: If you head at the pay Court Stadium tomorrow night,

1411
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 35: expect stormy conditions from the fans if the offense can't

1412
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 35: get going. Booth were rained down from the crowd, and

1413
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:43,479
Speaker 35: Zach Taylor will receive a chili reception heading into the

1414
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 35: locker room from Tombak first morning.

1415
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 2: Whether I'm kJ Jacob, Thanks kJ.

1416
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:57,480
Speaker 29: Hey Austin Marcus from the Grove, What up, Marcus?

1417
01:15:57,760 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 10: I heard a.

1418
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:01,679
Speaker 36: Rumbling that tomorrow night game might start at six point

1419
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 36: thirty because of the old folks.

1420
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 33: Home oh curfew that yeah, Laco and Rogers E d.

1421
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 27: Beck at a certain time.

1422
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:12,559
Speaker 29: Not really sure if that's legit or not.

1423
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 36: But on a random note college football, kind of interesting

1424
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 36: reports are circulating that Penn State is going to strongly

1425
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 36: pursue Freeman.

1426
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:28,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is interesting considering, like, was it James Franklin's

1427
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 2: like only big win was against Notre Dame? Is that right?

1428
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 2: Penn State is not a better job than Notre Dame.

1429
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:38,800
Speaker 2: Penn State is not that good of a job altogether.

1430
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 2: So I mean I hope that they just kind of

1431
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 2: sneak back into futility forever. Yeah. I wonder when the

1432
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:50,640
Speaker 2: last time Aaron Rodgers and Joe Flacco both stayed up

1433
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 2: to watch the entirety of a primetime game.

1434
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:57,719
Speaker 8: Hey Austin Paul from Cleaves here eight great analogy earlier

1435
01:16:57,760 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 8: about the Bengals in her free agents spot on.

1436
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 3: You nailed it.

1437
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 8: My biggest thing is is their scouting department. I mean,

1438
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:08,680
Speaker 8: I understand you want to try to develop within. But

1439
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 8: the problem is you don't have enough scouts out there

1440
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 8: or enough people in that department that understand what's going on.

1441
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:18,720
Speaker 8: They're either not watching enough game tape or they're not

1442
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 8: seeing the backstory of these guys, and that's what's really

1443
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:22,959
Speaker 8: hindering our scouting department.

1444
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 4: Yep, we've had the Freezer Bowl. Now we have the

1445
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 4: Geezer Bowl.

1446
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 2: Who day the Geezer Bowl. I like that one a lot.

1447
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:36,639
Speaker 2: That's really good, Thank you, Nick.

1448
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 37: You know how fans will donate like a body partner

1449
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:45,480
Speaker 37: limb to their favorite athlete if they get hurt honestly figuratively,

1450
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 37: like Joe Burrow, I donate a toe for him. Yeah, well,

1451
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:53,599
Speaker 37: this is Jason from the West Side, west Side Walker.

1452
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:57,879
Speaker 37: I would donate my name as an alias to Tony

1453
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:00,960
Speaker 37: if he ever needs to call in Walker from the

1454
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:01,559
Speaker 37: West Side.

1455
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:03,040
Speaker 3: You have my permission. Tone.

1456
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 2: I think it would be pretty easy to figure out

1457
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:09,640
Speaker 2: his voice. But yeah, I mean, I think back to

1458
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 2: this always.

1459
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:12,599
Speaker 33: I asked myself, would you give your life for Joe

1460
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:15,519
Speaker 33: Burrow because he gave his life for you?

1461
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 2: Cincy three to sixty legend Richard the Eddie Zellick guy?

1462
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 3: Is that right?

1463
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 27: Eddie Zelick, Yeah, Stan Zelick, Mary Zelick. He's the funniest

1464
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:30,400
Speaker 27: guy on here right now. No, Eddie Zellick is fantastic.

1465
01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:33,559
Speaker 27: He's in very talented, both the real one and the

1466
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 27: talkback one. And I appreciate the talkback. Talkback's brought to

1467
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 27: you by Cincy three sixty or by Cincy Shirts. Here

1468
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 27: on Cincy three to sixty, as is all of our

1469
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:44,680
Speaker 27: number two. We'll take a break, we'll come back. We

1470
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:47,160
Speaker 27: got some football in the Nattie to get to. Then,

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01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:50,679
Speaker 27: twenty minutes from right now, Jeff Carr from the Locked

1472
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 27: On Reds and Locked On Bearcats podcast is gonna join

1473
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:58,720
Speaker 27: us talk a little bit about the Red Legs in

1474
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 27: our number three as well. This is since e three

1475
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:04,360
Speaker 27: to sixty home of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty.

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01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 4: Unkeys backs.

1477
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:08,720
Speaker 5: Since this is football in the NATI, brought to you

1478
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 5: by Bud Light on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home

1479
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 5: of the Cincinnati Bengal.

1480
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, it is our two here on ESPN fifteen

1481
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:22,600
Speaker 2: thirty on Austin Elmore. Let's do a little college football.

1482
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:26,040
Speaker 2: We've talked extensively about the Bengals. I mentioned that we're

1483
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 2: going to talk to Jeff Carr about the Bearcats. If

1484
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 2: you're wondering about the line for UC on Saturday night,

1485
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 2: they are at Oklahoma State. It is an eight pm

1486
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 2: kickoff for the number twenty four ranked Bearcats, who are

1487
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:41,480
Speaker 2: five and one up against the one in five Oklahoma

1488
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:46,759
Speaker 2: State Cowboys. Twenty one and a half is the line.

1489
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:51,720
Speaker 2: Cincinnati favored by three and a half touchdowns over I

1490
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 2: guess three point five, you get it, twenty one and

1491
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:58,880
Speaker 2: a half over Oklahoma State. For that game, weather looks

1492
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:01,280
Speaker 2: like it's gonna be good seventy two degrees in cloudy.

1493
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 2: Tickets available for fifty seven dollars. If you want to

1494
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:08,679
Speaker 2: go out to Oklahoma State and watch the Bearcats play,

1495
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:12,600
Speaker 2: and should be a walk into park for the Bearcats.

1496
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:15,320
Speaker 2: You can't get you can't get to the top twenty

1497
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 2: five and then lay an egg on the road against

1498
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 2: Oklahoma State. Other top twenty five matchups this weekend, Louisville

1499
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 2: is at number two Miami. That's a Friday night game

1500
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 2: at seven pm. Nebraska is at Minnesota. That's also a

1501
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:32,559
Speaker 2: Friday night game. Number one Ohio State is at Luke

1502
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 2: fickele In. The Wisconsin Badgers Ohio State favored by twenty

1503
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 2: five and a half. What about Brian Kelly and LSU.

1504
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:44,639
Speaker 2: They are at Vanderbilt and Vanderbilt is favored number ten

1505
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:48,680
Speaker 2: LSU number seventeen Vandy. Vandy favored by two and a

1506
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 2: half points. Indiana number three team in the country. They

1507
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:56,439
Speaker 2: host Michigan State. Somehow, Indiana is only twenty seven and

1508
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:59,080
Speaker 2: a half point favorites. You should probably take that to

1509
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:02,840
Speaker 2: thirty seven and a half. Michigan State stinks. How about

1510
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 2: another top ten matchup Number five Ole Miss at number

1511
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:09,639
Speaker 2: nine Georgia and the Dogs are seven and a half

1512
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 2: point favorites over Lane Kiffen in that game. Number eight

1513
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 2: Oregon is at Rutgers. Number twenty one Texas comes to

1514
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 2: Kentucky to take on the Wildcats. Texas twelve and a

1515
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 2: half point favorites in that one, good old good one.

1516
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:27,720
Speaker 2: Tennessee number eleven in the country at number six Alabama,

1517
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 2: the Crimson Tide seven and a half point favorites in

1518
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:34,000
Speaker 2: that one classic rivalry game. Here between USC and Notre Dame.

1519
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:36,799
Speaker 2: The Trojans are the twentieth ranked team in the country

1520
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:41,759
Speaker 2: up against number thirteen Notre Dame. Seven thirty pm kickoff

1521
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:46,439
Speaker 2: Saturday from South Bend Notre Dame nine and a half

1522
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:49,920
Speaker 2: point favorites in that one, and then Big Big twelve

1523
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 2: action on Saturday night, same time as Cincinnati and Oklahoma State.

1524
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:58,760
Speaker 2: It'll be number twenty three Utah at number fifteen BYU.

1525
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:02,599
Speaker 2: Right now the Utes our three and a half point

1526
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 2: favorites on the road. So a great slate of college

1527
01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:10,800
Speaker 2: football action coming to you this weekend. And it's good

1528
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 2: to see the little number twenty four right next to

1529
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 2: the Bearcats again. It's good to see that Bearcats are

1530
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:19,720
Speaker 2: at Oklahoma State this week. They come back home to

1531
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:23,880
Speaker 2: Nippert Stadium for homecoming on the twenty fifth of October.

1532
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:27,200
Speaker 2: Kickoff in that game is at four pm at home

1533
01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:30,719
Speaker 2: against Baylor. Than they are right back out to Utah

1534
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:34,759
Speaker 2: home against Arizona, home against BYU, and finished the season

1535
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 2: at TCU to finish things off. Bearcats five and one

1536
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 2: and in first place, tied for first place in the

1537
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:47,639
Speaker 2: Big Twelve. Take a break, we'll come back. This has

1538
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 2: been Football in the Natty right here on ESPN fifteen thirty.

1539
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:55,599
Speaker 5: You've been listening to Football in the Natty on ESPN

1540
01:22:55,760 --> 01:23:04,440
Speaker 5: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati bengalsise Cincinnati.

1541
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:09,599
Speaker 1: He sixty continues on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's sports station.

1542
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 2: You know, we've talked a lot about football, and we're

1543
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:18,759
Speaker 2: gonna switch the conversation to a little bit of Reds,

1544
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:21,360
Speaker 2: a little bit of Bearcats. When we talked to Jeff

1545
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:24,760
Speaker 2: Carr in about ten minutes, but I saw something that's

1546
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:30,800
Speaker 2: kind of been bothering me about the Brewers and the Dodgers.

1547
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:35,200
Speaker 2: The Brewer manager Pat Murphy, who has beloved in Milwaukee

1548
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:38,639
Speaker 2: and really beloved throughout baseball as one of these guys

1549
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 2: that you know, it's kind of a no nonsense, great guy,

1550
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 2: great teammate, great leader of men, type of dude. And

1551
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 2: he he kept kind of making the the comparison of

1552
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:57,519
Speaker 2: the Brewers against the Dodgers to David versus Goliath. Nobody

1553
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 2: believes in us, they're counting us out, blah blah blah

1554
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 2: blah to I think that's so tone deaf to a

1555
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 2: lot of people outside Milwaukee. Number One, nobody cares about

1556
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:12,840
Speaker 2: the Brewers. If you're not in Milwaukee, we might have

1557
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 2: a little bit more interest because we're used to them

1558
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 2: and we see them all the time. But also, you

1559
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:21,559
Speaker 2: won ninety seven games, you have home field advantage throughout

1560
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:25,960
Speaker 2: the playoffs. You have a former MVP in Christian Yelich.

1561
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 2: You've got one of the base one of baseball's top

1562
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 2: prospects in Jackson Curio. Like, you've got legit dudes. You

1563
01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 2: went out and spent money in free agency and made

1564
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 2: trades and have some good Like you have one of

1565
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 2: the Jacob Mizerowski who starred in the All Star Game

1566
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 2: after five starts appearances in the big leagues, And you

1567
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:48,680
Speaker 2: want to talk about the whole David Wirth Versus Goliath thing, Like,

1568
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:52,599
Speaker 2: there's no way Pat Murphy goes into his clubhouse full

1569
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:56,519
Speaker 2: of dudes that just won ninety seven games and says,

1570
01:24:57,160 --> 01:25:01,040
Speaker 2: nobody believes in us, and it's it's it's we're David

1571
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 2: and that's Goliath and we gotta beat them. Blah blah

1572
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 2: blah blah. There's no way that's the mentality of the

1573
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:09,719
Speaker 2: actual clubhouse. Now, if you're a fan of the Brewers,

1574
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:12,479
Speaker 2: that's probably how you feel. You probably feel like, oh,

1575
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:15,799
Speaker 2: these dudes are spending a billion dollars on players, nobody

1576
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:17,720
Speaker 2: does believe in us, and we're twenty second in the

1577
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:20,280
Speaker 2: big league's in payroll, Like there's no chance we're gonna

1578
01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 2: be able to compete with these guys. Oh, first of all,

1579
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:26,920
Speaker 2: if my team won ninety seven games, and I haven't

1580
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:29,559
Speaker 2: really gotten to experience this, but if my team won

1581
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 2: ninety seven games, I would like their odds against anybody,

1582
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 2: doesn't matter if it's Shoheo Tani or Babe Ruth or

1583
01:25:37,240 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 2: Barry Bonds or Sammy Sosa or Rafael Paul Meyrow or

1584
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 2: any other random player from the early nineties that I

1585
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:50,320
Speaker 2: can name, nineties and two thousands that I can name, Like,

1586
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:53,600
Speaker 2: I think, yes, if you're a Brewers fan, you probably

1587
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 2: feel that way. It is David versus Goliath. And I

1588
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:59,400
Speaker 2: also think that's a cheap trope to just take a

1589
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:02,400
Speaker 2: shot at the because they spend a lot of money.

1590
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 2: The Dodgers are in a massive market where they generate

1591
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:09,599
Speaker 2: massive money, and they play in a league where nobody

1592
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:13,719
Speaker 2: does anything to balance it whatsoever outside of the luxury tax.

1593
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:16,000
Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, the Brewers benefit from the

1594
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:20,479
Speaker 2: luxury tax because everybody else gets that money. I just

1595
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:23,519
Speaker 2: think that's silly, the whole David versus Goliath thing. And

1596
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 2: then you look at what's happened over the first two games.

1597
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:29,160
Speaker 2: Maybe he's right on with the Brewers down two games

1598
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:31,920
Speaker 2: to nothing, getting ready to go to LA for Game three,

1599
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:38,160
Speaker 2: and I don't know. That just kind of bothered me

1600
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 2: a little bit because I know that's not the message

1601
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 2: to your clubhouse. I know if I was a player,

1602
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be feeling that way outside of maybe the

1603
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:51,000
Speaker 2: fans feeling that way. That's about it, and more than anything,

1604
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:52,439
Speaker 2: I think it's just a chance to take a shot

1605
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 2: at the Dodgers. Payrolls don't mean that much anymore, right Like,

1606
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:01,320
Speaker 2: we saw what the Mets did, we saw what the

1607
01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:05,120
Speaker 2: Yankees did, we saw what the Phillies did. I mean, yeah,

1608
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 2: the Mariners have spent money, but they've also created a

1609
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:11,280
Speaker 2: pitching lab and got a great, all time great season,

1610
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:14,559
Speaker 2: the best ever by a catcher from cal Rawley. They

1611
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 2: were ultra aggressive at the trade deadline. They held off

1612
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 2: their division rivals Toronto. They spent a lot of money

1613
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 2: for sure, and signed Vladdie to a long term contract.

1614
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:31,320
Speaker 2: But you know, still there's a lot of really good

1615
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 2: teams that aren't paying billions of dollars like the Dodgers.

1616
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:42,200
Speaker 2: And the Dodgers, despite the payroll that they had, still

1617
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 2: struggled at times this year, struggled to figure out pitching

1618
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 2: and their I mean, the Dodgers were down so bad

1619
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:51,519
Speaker 2: at one point that they traded for Alexis d As.

1620
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:54,839
Speaker 2: Think about that. You know how much of a struggle

1621
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 2: that's got to be. If you're trading for Alexus d As.

1622
01:27:58,479 --> 01:28:03,160
Speaker 2: That's not fun for anybody, by the way, some Reds notes.

1623
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 2: Earlier today, it was announced Spencer Steer is a finalist

1624
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:09,760
Speaker 2: for the National League Gold Glove at first base and

1625
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:13,559
Speaker 2: key Brian Hayes hey finalists for the National League Gold

1626
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:17,280
Speaker 2: Glove at third base. I think Hayes is the favorite

1627
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 2: to win without a doubt. I believe Matt Olsen is

1628
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:24,320
Speaker 2: the favorite to win in the first Base Gold Glove.

1629
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:27,280
Speaker 2: To my knowledge, no other Reds were nominated for any

1630
01:28:27,320 --> 01:28:30,759
Speaker 2: other awards any other baseball news outside of the fact

1631
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:34,720
Speaker 2: that the Dodgers are up to nothing. Alex Bregman he

1632
01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:39,160
Speaker 2: opted out of his contract with the Boston Red Sox.

1633
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:41,000
Speaker 2: I think the belief is that he is going to

1634
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 2: re sign, just not under that current deal. So I

1635
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:48,320
Speaker 2: think most people believe Bregman will return to the Boston

1636
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:53,599
Speaker 2: Red Sox and Game three of the ALCS with the

1637
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:56,759
Speaker 2: Mariners up two games to nothing over the Blue Jays.

1638
01:28:56,920 --> 01:29:00,880
Speaker 2: Is tonight. First pitch is at eighth eight right now.

1639
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:07,040
Speaker 2: Seattle favored minus one thirty. In that game, it's gonna

1640
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:10,839
Speaker 2: be George Kirby pitching for Seattle up against Shane Bieber

1641
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:15,439
Speaker 2: pitching for Toronto UH In the postseason, Kirby has a

1642
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:18,519
Speaker 2: two point seven to zero earned run average in ten innings.

1643
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:22,240
Speaker 2: He's allowed nine hits and struck out fourteen. Meanwhile, Shane

1644
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 2: Bieber not so good, a six point seven to five

1645
01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:28,000
Speaker 2: ERA and two and two thirds innings. He's allowed five hits,

1646
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:34,440
Speaker 2: struck out two, and walked one in those limited postseason innings.

1647
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:36,840
Speaker 2: All right, that does it for Hour number two, brought

1648
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 2: to you by our friends at Cincy Shirts. We'll start

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01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:42,000
Speaker 2: Hour number three with a conversation about the Old Red

1650
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:44,280
Speaker 2: Legs with Jeff Carr. We'll also talk to him about

1651
01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:48,240
Speaker 2: his new Bearcats Project podcast that he's working on. That's

1652
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:51,320
Speaker 2: all next. This is Sincy three to sixty on the

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01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:54,839
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Speaker 2: Hi, Hello, welcome in. Our number three is Sincy three

1661
01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:23,639
Speaker 2: sixty here on ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm Austin Elmore. We've

1662
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:26,800
Speaker 2: talked a lot of football over the first couple hours

1663
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 2: of the show. I want to split it up. I

1664
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:30,200
Speaker 2: want to talk a little bit of Bearcat football. I

1665
01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:31,640
Speaker 2: want to talk a little bit of baseball, and I

1666
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:33,120
Speaker 2: want to talk about it with a guy who can

1667
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:35,800
Speaker 2: now do both. I guess he could always do both.

1668
01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:39,360
Speaker 2: But his name's Jeff Carr from the Locked On Reds podcast,

1669
01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:41,479
Speaker 2: and he joins us. Now, Hi, Jeff, how are you.

1670
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:45,600
Speaker 3: Austin. I'm doing awesome. We got a chance to be

1671
01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:49,760
Speaker 3: Bowl eligible in October for the Bearcat This is looking.

1672
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:52,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, tell me about this. All of a sudden, I'm

1673
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:55,720
Speaker 2: scrolling through Twitter and I see Jeff Carr hosting the

1674
01:30:55,880 --> 01:31:00,360
Speaker 2: Locked On Bearcats podcast. How did this happen? And what

1675
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:02,759
Speaker 2: can people expect if they listen and follow along?

1676
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:07,080
Speaker 3: Yeah? It's been something I've talked about a little bit

1677
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:09,439
Speaker 3: for the last on and off for the last year

1678
01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:12,600
Speaker 3: with our college channel manager at locked On, and I

1679
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:15,719
Speaker 3: just decided to take advantage of the opportunity definitely talking

1680
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:18,600
Speaker 3: all things Bearcats athletics. Of course, right now football is

1681
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 3: dominating the talk, but also getting excited for the basketball

1682
01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:25,240
Speaker 3: season with a couple of scrimmages coming up, and we'll

1683
01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:27,040
Speaker 3: talk you know, a little bit of baseball here and

1684
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:29,200
Speaker 3: there when baseball gets going later on in the year,

1685
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:32,640
Speaker 3: and it's going to be all about UC athletics, you know,

1686
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:35,559
Speaker 3: five days a week. I mean, the same deal as

1687
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:38,440
Speaker 3: Locked On Reds, just you know, talking Bearcats athletics.

1688
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:42,080
Speaker 2: Now, if I'm not mistaken, you're a Bearcat football season

1689
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:45,080
Speaker 2: ticket holder and have been for a while, am I am?

1690
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:45,760
Speaker 2: I right on that?

1691
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:51,559
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, seven, This is my seventh year doing it now,

1692
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:54,759
Speaker 3: so I've been around a bunch. And then also because

1693
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:58,880
Speaker 3: I go every Saturday home game with my father in

1694
01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:02,280
Speaker 3: law and he's even longer, going back to the beginning

1695
01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:04,960
Speaker 3: of the Timmy tepperbler. So you know, we've seen it all.

1696
01:32:05,200 --> 01:32:08,800
Speaker 2: You've seen a few things, to say the least with

1697
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:14,839
Speaker 2: this particular team what excites you the most about the Bearcats, It's.

1698
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:17,200
Speaker 3: Got to be the offense, And honestly, it's at the

1699
01:32:17,200 --> 01:32:19,720
Speaker 3: core of the offense. It's the offensive line. I mean,

1700
01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:24,479
Speaker 3: having watched enough Bengals games and then also going Bearcats wise, like,

1701
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:28,120
Speaker 3: it's so refreshing to watch a good unit up front

1702
01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:31,240
Speaker 3: really blocking for both the running game and the passing game.

1703
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:33,439
Speaker 3: Like I mean, Brendan Soorz's only been sacked one time

1704
01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:36,920
Speaker 3: this year and it's all because of that group up front. Now,

1705
01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:39,760
Speaker 3: they got exposed a little bit against UCF, but that's

1706
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:43,000
Speaker 3: why I expect them to just absolutely dominate Oklahoma State

1707
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:44,720
Speaker 3: this weekend. I'm very excited to see that.

1708
01:32:45,080 --> 01:32:47,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, what does that do for the fan base? You

1709
01:32:47,320 --> 01:32:50,400
Speaker 2: think to as you mentioned at the start, be Bowl

1710
01:32:50,439 --> 01:32:55,200
Speaker 2: eligible in the middle of October with still five games

1711
01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:58,600
Speaker 2: to go, Like, how much does that help Scott Sadderfield?

1712
01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:01,639
Speaker 2: How much does that help the brand of UC football

1713
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:04,240
Speaker 2: as a whole after kind of stumbling the last couple

1714
01:33:04,240 --> 01:33:05,760
Speaker 2: of years, Well, he.

1715
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:08,679
Speaker 3: Came into this year not really knowing what to expect

1716
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:11,760
Speaker 3: from Scott's Saderfield and some of us, including myself, I mean,

1717
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:14,200
Speaker 3: my first episode that I did on Lockdown Bearcats. Was

1718
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:18,000
Speaker 3: it's time for Scott Saderfield to stand up and show

1719
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:20,640
Speaker 3: us who he is this season, because I get it.

1720
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:22,240
Speaker 3: You know, first couple of years in the Big twelve,

1721
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:24,799
Speaker 3: you got to be like, all right, you know, new system,

1722
01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:27,200
Speaker 3: new team, new roster, all this other stuff. It's kind

1723
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:30,120
Speaker 3: of get put into place. But now you're three got

1724
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:32,479
Speaker 3: to figure out what's going on. And I think it's

1725
01:33:32,479 --> 01:33:35,240
Speaker 3: been so huge that obviously the win of Kansas and

1726
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:37,760
Speaker 3: the win at Homing and Siawa State that really kind

1727
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:41,000
Speaker 3: of cooled that seat off quite a bit. I mean,

1728
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:43,120
Speaker 3: if you beat Oklahoma State here and you get your

1729
01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:46,679
Speaker 3: sixth wind in October, folks are gonna not even think

1730
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:48,840
Speaker 3: about that type of a deal because we were just

1731
01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:52,360
Speaker 3: hoping for Bowl eligibility. Now we're looking at can the

1732
01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:57,120
Speaker 3: Bearcats contend with Texas Tech and Arizona State and you

1733
01:33:57,160 --> 01:33:58,320
Speaker 3: know those teams at the top.

1734
01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:02,280
Speaker 2: My favorite stat I saw is that the Bearcats are

1735
01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:06,200
Speaker 2: one of four teams who have not recorded an interception

1736
01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:11,400
Speaker 2: this season, but they've faced a ton more passing attempts

1737
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:15,400
Speaker 2: than the other three teams that haven't recorded an interception. Like,

1738
01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:20,599
Speaker 2: it's not just the offense. The defense is effective as well.

1739
01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:23,839
Speaker 3: It's effective and like the most frustrating way to watch,

1740
01:34:24,120 --> 01:34:26,800
Speaker 3: to be honest with you, man, Like I mean this

1741
01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:29,920
Speaker 3: three three five, that it's got such a cushion where

1742
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:34,240
Speaker 3: that those first five to eight yards they're just giving

1743
01:34:34,479 --> 01:34:36,800
Speaker 3: to the defense or to the opposing offense, and they're

1744
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:39,320
Speaker 3: just like, hey, you know, take it. It's there for you.

1745
01:34:39,800 --> 01:34:42,080
Speaker 3: But we know that at some point you're gonna mess up.

1746
01:34:42,280 --> 01:34:43,800
Speaker 3: And they haven't messed up to the tune to turn

1747
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:45,200
Speaker 3: the ball over like you mentioned. I mean, there was

1748
01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:47,600
Speaker 3: the one play against Iowa State that was clearly a

1749
01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:51,719
Speaker 3: pick and clearly not a defensive pass interference, and yet

1750
01:34:51,800 --> 01:34:55,639
Speaker 3: that's exactly what they called. But other than that, there

1751
01:34:55,680 --> 01:34:58,920
Speaker 3: hasn't been a pick, and there's definitely been some dropped opportunities.

1752
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:01,679
Speaker 3: I think that's gonna change this week. I think you're

1753
01:35:01,680 --> 01:35:03,639
Speaker 3: going to see somebody get their hands on the ball

1754
01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:08,040
Speaker 3: because you've got a couple of quarterbacks in Oklahoma State.

1755
01:35:08,120 --> 01:35:10,120
Speaker 3: One of them started the year as a wide receiver,

1756
01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:13,759
Speaker 3: although he played some quarterback early on in his college career,

1757
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:16,920
Speaker 3: but he was transferred to Oklahoma State as a receiver.

1758
01:35:17,560 --> 01:35:19,599
Speaker 3: That's going to be Sam Jackson, the guy that's starting

1759
01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:21,200
Speaker 3: and then the guy that's backing them up that the

1760
01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:23,519
Speaker 3: Bearcats will probably see a little bit as well. Noah

1761
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:27,080
Speaker 3: Walters was playing flag football at uc F last year,

1762
01:35:27,720 --> 01:35:30,600
Speaker 3: so there's going to be an opportunity to create a

1763
01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:31,840
Speaker 3: few turnovers in this game.

1764
01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:35,639
Speaker 2: Let's switch to basketball quick before I get to the Reds.

1765
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:40,000
Speaker 2: Bad news yesterday Jalen Hayes out indefinitely a big man

1766
01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:44,120
Speaker 2: with a lower body injury. But I did see Joe

1767
01:35:44,240 --> 01:35:48,360
Speaker 2: Linardi in his very early bracketology that he does early

1768
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:51,640
Speaker 2: every October. As you see as a nine seed in

1769
01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:55,599
Speaker 2: the West Region, what is a fair expectation you think

1770
01:35:55,640 --> 01:35:59,960
Speaker 2: for West Miller and the basketball team this year the.

1771
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:03,400
Speaker 3: Tournament, whether it's a nine seed on eleven seed, whatever,

1772
01:36:03,439 --> 01:36:06,880
Speaker 3: the seed, just be a seed. Get in like that.

1773
01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:09,920
Speaker 3: There's been so long now, and I love Wes Miller.

1774
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:11,960
Speaker 3: I think he's an easy to root for coach. He's

1775
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:14,920
Speaker 3: just really personable when he's talking about the game, and

1776
01:36:15,200 --> 01:36:18,080
Speaker 3: obviously a really good bringer of talent. It's just the

1777
01:36:18,160 --> 01:36:21,800
Speaker 3: development side and the in game strategy side that we

1778
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:24,960
Speaker 3: haven't seen enough of. And this kind of feels like

1779
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:27,640
Speaker 3: the year like you gotta get to the dance and

1780
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:29,160
Speaker 3: if you don't get to the dance. There's gonna be

1781
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:31,920
Speaker 3: some tough questions being asked, and you know, losing Jalen

1782
01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:34,320
Speaker 3: Haynes is gonna be tough on the offensive side. But

1783
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:38,519
Speaker 3: even kim Pom likes their defensive you know, potential, and

1784
01:36:38,600 --> 01:36:40,599
Speaker 3: it feels like their defense is going to keep them

1785
01:36:40,640 --> 01:36:43,320
Speaker 3: in most games. I did see the kim Pom's got

1786
01:36:43,320 --> 01:36:46,519
Speaker 3: them projected for twenty wins, which for me, I mean

1787
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:49,720
Speaker 3: that's why Joe Len already's talking about them being in

1788
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:53,439
Speaker 3: at least on the preseason expectation side of things, and

1789
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:55,719
Speaker 3: I think as long as that continues and we see

1790
01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:58,240
Speaker 3: some of the unknowns, because there's definitely some guys on

1791
01:36:58,280 --> 01:37:00,920
Speaker 3: this team that you could outflow a coin and heads

1792
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:02,479
Speaker 3: or tails, it's going to be one or the other,

1793
01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:05,240
Speaker 3: and I think I would agree with you. So if

1794
01:37:05,640 --> 01:37:07,800
Speaker 3: we see more heads than tails, I think we're going

1795
01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:10,519
Speaker 3: to see a team that maybe even pushes for a

1796
01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:11,920
Speaker 3: higher seed in this tournament.

1797
01:37:12,439 --> 01:37:16,360
Speaker 2: Talking to Jeff Carr, Locked on Bearcats and one half

1798
01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:21,040
Speaker 2: of the Locked On Reds podcast alongside Steve Offenbaker, we've

1799
01:37:21,080 --> 01:37:23,919
Speaker 2: gotten into the off season now we're still in obviously

1800
01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:29,080
Speaker 2: the LCS. What is the biggest what stands out to

1801
01:37:29,120 --> 01:37:31,640
Speaker 2: you as the number one thing that has to be

1802
01:37:31,760 --> 01:37:34,440
Speaker 2: done in the Reds off season checklist.

1803
01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:37,920
Speaker 3: They have got to bring the power. And I think

1804
01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:41,960
Speaker 3: it's so ironic that that is the the graphic that

1805
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:44,320
Speaker 3: they use on the scoreboard whenever they bring in a closer,

1806
01:37:45,120 --> 01:37:46,880
Speaker 3: you know, bring the power. It's just like, yeah, no,

1807
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:50,799
Speaker 3: that's that's good. But what about the lineup power the bats?

1808
01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:53,960
Speaker 3: We need to see that because there's statistics going all

1809
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:56,679
Speaker 3: over the place. I mean, Sarah Langs is talking about

1810
01:37:56,840 --> 01:38:00,960
Speaker 3: how teams that are so much more like to win

1811
01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:03,559
Speaker 3: a playoff game and the teams that don't hit home runs,

1812
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:06,200
Speaker 3: and then you look at the Mariners. The Mariners are

1813
01:38:06,240 --> 01:38:08,720
Speaker 3: built the way that the Reds want to be, and

1814
01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:11,360
Speaker 3: that they have an elite pitching staff, but they also

1815
01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:14,760
Speaker 3: have that long ball capability. It just never felt like

1816
01:38:14,840 --> 01:38:18,360
Speaker 3: the Reds had a consistent dude that you looked at

1817
01:38:18,439 --> 01:38:20,240
Speaker 3: and he said that dude's gonna go. We are like,

1818
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:22,559
Speaker 3: I know that Ellie can hit the water, but I

1819
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:26,599
Speaker 3: also don't know that he understands who he is as

1820
01:38:26,640 --> 01:38:29,200
Speaker 3: a hitter, because it kind of feels like he goes

1821
01:38:29,240 --> 01:38:31,400
Speaker 3: from one guy or the other where it's like, I'm

1822
01:38:31,439 --> 01:38:33,920
Speaker 3: an on base guy, I'm a power guy. Like he's

1823
01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:36,400
Speaker 3: just got to figure out what his identity is as

1824
01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:39,080
Speaker 3: a hitter, and so you need that dude. Like, I'm

1825
01:38:39,120 --> 01:38:41,320
Speaker 3: looking at a guy and if he doesn't stay in Seattle,

1826
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:44,839
Speaker 3: go get Josh Naylor, bring him in, be a dh

1827
01:38:45,160 --> 01:38:46,960
Speaker 3: put him in the fourth spot in this lineup, and

1828
01:38:47,040 --> 01:38:49,000
Speaker 3: let's move forward. Cause it feels like that's the one

1829
01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:51,679
Speaker 3: thing that is holding them back is that they don't

1830
01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:53,639
Speaker 3: have that power threat in the middle.

1831
01:38:54,200 --> 01:38:58,120
Speaker 2: Obviously, everybody wants Kyle Schwarber, myself included. We would all

1832
01:38:58,160 --> 01:39:02,960
Speaker 2: love to have Kyle Schwarber. I think that's realistic. Where

1833
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:05,479
Speaker 2: do you stand on that? And if so, a guy

1834
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:07,760
Speaker 2: like Naylor, who are some other names that could be

1835
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:09,200
Speaker 2: realistic targets for the Reds.

1836
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:13,880
Speaker 3: I would love to have kylege Swarber. I just know

1837
01:39:14,280 --> 01:39:18,519
Speaker 3: this team and I know how they operate financially. It's

1838
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:21,360
Speaker 3: not to say that they're punting on the off season.

1839
01:39:21,439 --> 01:39:24,559
Speaker 3: It's that you know, Nick Crawl has a budget number,

1840
01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:27,559
Speaker 3: and it's not as if that number is going to

1841
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:31,160
Speaker 3: compete with the Mets, or the Phillies or even the Cubs,

1842
01:39:31,320 --> 01:39:34,080
Speaker 3: who albeit they have a higher number than the Reds,

1843
01:39:34,120 --> 01:39:35,919
Speaker 3: but they seem to want to stay under the luxury

1844
01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:40,200
Speaker 3: tax for their own reasons. But I think that there

1845
01:39:40,200 --> 01:39:41,800
Speaker 3: are a number of teams that are going to step

1846
01:39:41,880 --> 01:39:45,080
Speaker 3: up and offer Kyle Schwarber much more than the Reds will,

1847
01:39:45,200 --> 01:39:48,120
Speaker 3: and more years as well, and they just seem very

1848
01:39:48,160 --> 01:39:51,559
Speaker 3: reticent to give out very long term contracts at the moment.

1849
01:39:52,160 --> 01:39:55,960
Speaker 3: So I'm thinking that he's out of this equation. Although

1850
01:39:56,360 --> 01:39:59,559
Speaker 3: I'd be really really happy if he weren't. I just

1851
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:02,680
Speaker 3: don't it at all. But yeah, Josh Nayler is one

1852
01:40:02,720 --> 01:40:04,800
Speaker 3: of the key guys that I'm looking at. I'm also

1853
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:07,120
Speaker 3: looking at a dude, and he's had some injury concerns

1854
01:40:07,120 --> 01:40:09,519
Speaker 3: here recently, but I think that he could be a

1855
01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:13,360
Speaker 3: very interesting bi low candidate in Reese Hoskins. We've seen

1856
01:40:13,439 --> 01:40:16,040
Speaker 3: him a little bit with Milwaukee. You know, there's some

1857
01:40:16,360 --> 01:40:19,920
Speaker 3: websites that try to give expectations as far as free

1858
01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:23,400
Speaker 3: agent's value goes, and they have him under ten million

1859
01:40:23,400 --> 01:40:26,200
Speaker 3: dollars a year. That's going to be perfectly palatable for

1860
01:40:26,320 --> 01:40:29,040
Speaker 3: Nick Crawl. Put him at the DH spot. Maybe he

1861
01:40:29,080 --> 01:40:30,760
Speaker 3: plays a little bit of first base if you need

1862
01:40:30,840 --> 01:40:32,960
Speaker 3: him to, But he's going to hit some dingers because

1863
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:37,400
Speaker 3: Baseball Reference has his career trajectory at a guy who

1864
01:40:37,439 --> 01:40:39,320
Speaker 3: would hit thirty four home runs if he played one

1865
01:40:39,400 --> 01:40:42,400
Speaker 3: hundred and sixty two games, So you just average that

1866
01:40:42,439 --> 01:40:44,719
Speaker 3: out to what he plays and then also a factor

1867
01:40:44,720 --> 01:40:46,800
Speaker 3: in Grean American Ballpark, a place that he hasn't played

1868
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:48,800
Speaker 3: a whole lot in his career, and I think that

1869
01:40:48,840 --> 01:40:51,120
Speaker 3: we can see a guy that really fits into that

1870
01:40:51,160 --> 01:40:52,360
Speaker 3: middle of the order potential.

1871
01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:56,920
Speaker 2: One of the other issues is getting the bullpen back together.

1872
01:40:57,040 --> 01:41:01,000
Speaker 2: Because of the expiring contracts and just the way it's

1873
01:41:01,080 --> 01:41:03,960
Speaker 2: been built, they have some guys that they have to replace.

1874
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:07,479
Speaker 2: They have to supplement that bullpen. Are they able to

1875
01:41:07,560 --> 01:41:13,440
Speaker 2: do both? Can they put together a competitive and sustainable,

1876
01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:17,160
Speaker 2: dependable bullpen and get power in the same offseason?

1877
01:41:18,240 --> 01:41:20,559
Speaker 3: I think so. I think it starts with picking up

1878
01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:23,280
Speaker 3: the option on Scott Barlow. They have a club option

1879
01:41:23,400 --> 01:41:25,120
Speaker 3: for I think six and a half million on him.

1880
01:41:25,520 --> 01:41:27,639
Speaker 3: Pick it up right now, Just do it, because dude

1881
01:41:27,680 --> 01:41:32,360
Speaker 3: is durable, Dude is reliable. He's not the most exciting

1882
01:41:32,400 --> 01:41:34,880
Speaker 3: relief pitcher, but he is exactly what you need. And

1883
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:39,160
Speaker 3: then yeas exactly we know who he is and I

1884
01:41:39,160 --> 01:41:42,280
Speaker 3: think that there's some other guys too that could fill roles.

1885
01:41:42,320 --> 01:41:45,120
Speaker 3: We don't necessarily know for sure, but there's a lot

1886
01:41:45,120 --> 01:41:47,920
Speaker 3: of hype and a lot of excitement around a guy

1887
01:41:47,960 --> 01:41:50,800
Speaker 3: like Connor Phillips. I think that at the very least

1888
01:41:50,840 --> 01:41:53,400
Speaker 3: he could be your setup guy. If he continues his

1889
01:41:53,960 --> 01:41:57,360
Speaker 3: wonderful control with the elite stuff that he has, he

1890
01:41:57,360 --> 01:42:00,680
Speaker 3: could be your closer easily. But I don't know that

1891
01:42:00,720 --> 01:42:02,760
Speaker 3: I give him that role on opening Day. I think

1892
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:05,800
Speaker 3: opening day your closers Tony Santion, and I'm okay hand

1893
01:42:05,800 --> 01:42:08,000
Speaker 3: in that too, sure, because I think that he's he's

1894
01:42:08,040 --> 01:42:12,160
Speaker 3: shown that he has the trustworthiness and he's got the stuff.

1895
01:42:12,200 --> 01:42:14,559
Speaker 3: I think he's going to rest up this offseason, be okay.

1896
01:42:15,200 --> 01:42:17,240
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily think that the Reds will be in

1897
01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:19,720
Speaker 3: the market for emeliopa guy, because I think that he

1898
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:23,679
Speaker 3: will have earned a contract that the Reds just don't

1899
01:42:23,720 --> 01:42:27,600
Speaker 3: give to relief pitchers. I think he's gonna make, you know,

1900
01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:31,160
Speaker 3: something above ten million a year probably, and that's more

1901
01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:33,320
Speaker 3: than what they're going to pay for a closer. And

1902
01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:34,800
Speaker 3: then on the other side of that, like I think,

1903
01:42:34,840 --> 01:42:37,439
Speaker 3: if you just bring in one more veteran guy, to

1904
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:40,040
Speaker 3: either be a setup guy or to be a middle

1905
01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:42,840
Speaker 3: relief option. You can feel a lot better about some

1906
01:42:42,920 --> 01:42:47,080
Speaker 3: of the younger, more coin flip guys in this this bullpen.

1907
01:42:47,120 --> 01:42:49,680
Speaker 3: I don't think they're going to rebuild their bullpen in

1908
01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:52,640
Speaker 3: the same manner that you would expect a team that

1909
01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:56,960
Speaker 3: just saw its bullpen absolutely get destroyed by how much

1910
01:42:57,000 --> 01:43:00,240
Speaker 3: they were used, not necessarily destroyed by like how how

1911
01:43:00,240 --> 01:43:02,519
Speaker 3: bad they were hit. But I think that they have

1912
01:43:02,600 --> 01:43:05,760
Speaker 3: found a couple of key guys in house that they

1913
01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:08,040
Speaker 3: can rely on, and then there might even be one

1914
01:43:08,120 --> 01:43:10,800
Speaker 3: or two dudes who miss out on the rotation on

1915
01:43:10,880 --> 01:43:13,280
Speaker 3: opening Day that they decide they could put into the

1916
01:43:13,280 --> 01:43:16,520
Speaker 3: bullpen and and have as like a spot starter slash,

1917
01:43:16,640 --> 01:43:19,280
Speaker 3: you know, key arm in the middle that could give

1918
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Speaker 3: you a little bit of length.

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Speaker 2: It's been floated out there, the idea of the Reds

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Speaker 2: potentially trading Hunter Green this offseason. I don't necessarily agree

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Speaker 2: with that, but I don't know that I'd be all

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Speaker 2: that surprised if it actually happens. Where do you stand

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Speaker 2: on that, and is that a realistic possibility in your mind?

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Speaker 3: I would be surprised if it happens. I know that

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Speaker 3: I know that Nick Crawl was, you know, his trademark

1926
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Speaker 3: non committal self whenever he was asked about it, and

1927
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Speaker 3: people take that to mean like, oh, they'd be okay

1928
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Speaker 3: with it, But I really don't think they will do that.

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Speaker 3: There's he's not even going to be the paid player

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Speaker 3: on the team this next season. Based on some arbitration projections,

1931
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Speaker 3: that would be Brady's singer, and I think for me,

1932
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Speaker 3: that's gonna be the first guy that they look to

1933
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Speaker 3: move if they're looking to trade somebody out of their

1934
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Speaker 3: starting rotation, because they're not lose I mean, they lose

1935
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Speaker 3: Zach Ltel, but I think Zach Lytel was brought in

1936
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Speaker 3: because of the injuries to Rhet Louder and because of

1937
01:44:21,200 --> 01:44:23,400
Speaker 3: the fact that you weren't willing to throw Chase Burns

1938
01:44:23,400 --> 01:44:25,840
Speaker 3: for one hundred and fifty innings this past year, which

1939
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:28,080
Speaker 3: I could see them getting close to that number next

1940
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Speaker 3: year with him, And then as long as Rhet Louder

1941
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Speaker 3: is healthy, rtt Louder is gonna throw at least one

1942
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Speaker 3: hundred and twenty innings for them next year as well.

1943
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Speaker 3: So then you add that in and with Julian Agiar

1944
01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:39,880
Speaker 3: Brandon Williamson, you're gonna be able to fill in a

1945
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:43,720
Speaker 3: lot of gaps that people are perceiving there could be

1946
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Speaker 3: in that starting rotation. And then if you look at

1947
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Speaker 3: the top three, obviously we know who those guys are

1948
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Speaker 3: in Green, Lidolo, and Abbot, and those guys are going

1949
01:44:51,320 --> 01:44:53,280
Speaker 3: to be ready to go for as much as they

1950
01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:56,720
Speaker 3: could possibly stand. I think that you could stomach the

1951
01:44:56,800 --> 01:45:00,599
Speaker 3: loss of Brady Singer where you can sell his the ability,

1952
01:45:00,720 --> 01:45:03,320
Speaker 3: you can sell his performance, and you can get yourself

1953
01:45:03,320 --> 01:45:05,800
Speaker 3: an outfielder because I think that there's a couple of

1954
01:45:05,880 --> 01:45:08,240
Speaker 3: teams out there that are looking for that starting rotation

1955
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Speaker 3: help and have outfield depth to trade from, and you

1956
01:45:12,320 --> 01:45:14,800
Speaker 3: don't necessarily have to reach back and give him Hunter

1957
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Speaker 3: Green in order to do it.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned the outfield. We know that there are some

1959
01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:25,519
Speaker 2: prospects within the system, and somebody that I keep hearing

1960
01:45:25,560 --> 01:45:29,680
Speaker 2: about is Hector Rodriguez, who can play the outfield. He

1961
01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:32,840
Speaker 2: figures to be part of the plans going into twenty

1962
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:37,599
Speaker 2: twenty five, maybe not right away. Give fans a scouting

1963
01:45:37,640 --> 01:45:40,840
Speaker 2: report on Hector Rodriguez and what you expect the Reds

1964
01:45:40,840 --> 01:45:42,679
Speaker 2: to do with him going into twenty twenty six.

1965
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Speaker 3: I would say we probably see him around May, maybe June.

1966
01:45:48,840 --> 01:45:52,799
Speaker 3: And the biggest thing with him is the swinging miss problem.

1967
01:45:53,120 --> 01:45:55,240
Speaker 3: He swings a lot and he misses a lot, but

1968
01:45:55,280 --> 01:45:57,200
Speaker 3: when he hits it, he hits it a long way.

1969
01:45:57,680 --> 01:45:59,280
Speaker 3: A little bit of re signs in him when it

1970
01:45:59,320 --> 01:46:01,960
Speaker 3: comes to scout report, where you know, the power is

1971
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Speaker 3: good and there could be a lot of extra base potential,

1972
01:46:05,439 --> 01:46:07,599
Speaker 3: but there is a lot of strikeouts in there as well.

1973
01:46:08,120 --> 01:46:09,960
Speaker 3: So he kind of fits the mold of what we've

1974
01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:12,720
Speaker 3: seen here recently of guys that you know are a

1975
01:46:12,720 --> 01:46:14,960
Speaker 3: little bit all or nothing at the plate, and I

1976
01:46:15,000 --> 01:46:18,040
Speaker 3: think for that it kind of makes me, It makes

1977
01:46:18,080 --> 01:46:22,880
Speaker 3: it hard for me to really completely trust his capability

1978
01:46:22,920 --> 01:46:26,160
Speaker 3: to hold down an everyday position in the outfield for

1979
01:46:26,240 --> 01:46:29,320
Speaker 3: this team. I think I'd have to be I'd have

1980
01:46:29,439 --> 01:46:35,000
Speaker 3: to be proven wrong on my sort of ambivalence toward

1981
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Speaker 3: Hector Rodriguez.

1982
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Speaker 2: His name is excuse me, good use of the cough

1983
01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:43,960
Speaker 2: button there. His name is Jeff Carr from the Locked

1984
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Speaker 2: On Reds podcast alongside Steve Offfenbaker, now Locked on Bearcats

1985
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Speaker 2: as well. Jeff, thanks for spending some time with me today.

1986
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Speaker 2: Where can people follow along to all that you have

1987
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Speaker 2: going on? Austin appreciates your man.

1988
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Speaker 3: You can follow Lockdown Reds and Lockdown Bearcats everywhere you

1989
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Speaker 3: get your podcasts. Can also watch us on YouTube, and

1990
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Speaker 3: you can follow me on Twitter at Jeff Carr with

1991
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Speaker 3: three f's. I'm also on TikTok at that username.

1992
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Speaker 2: Whoa, you're a tiktokerkick kicktoker.

1993
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Speaker 3: I just talk, though, I don't really tick.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's great. Uh, Jeff, thank you so much. Man,

1995
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Speaker 2: good one. That's Jeff Carr. Love that guy.

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Speaker 33: Man.

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Speaker 2: Uh, I just talk. I don't really tick.

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Speaker 3: I like that.

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2001
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Speaker 2: I'm Austin Elmore. Anything you missed from the show yesterday

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2013
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2019
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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. Let's go to Florida and talk to JACKO.

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Speaker 3: Is it?

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01:48:46,400 --> 01:48:48,360
Speaker 2: What's up? JACKO?

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Speaker 38: Hey, So I guess Tony got caught up in that.

2023
01:48:53,560 --> 01:48:59,600
Speaker 38: iHeart acting. Yeah, really bad to hear that, because I

2024
01:48:59,680 --> 01:49:01,559
Speaker 38: enjoyed want to mount my car listening to the both

2025
01:49:01,600 --> 01:49:05,200
Speaker 38: of you. So I was listening to callbacks. I love

2026
01:49:05,600 --> 01:49:08,760
Speaker 38: that Thursday's the Geezer Bowl, and I said something to it.

2027
01:49:08,800 --> 01:49:11,160
Speaker 38: I just ran into a guy in at supermarket down

2028
01:49:11,160 --> 01:49:13,439
Speaker 38: here in Bradenton and has had a Steeler shirt on,

2029
01:49:14,040 --> 01:49:16,120
Speaker 38: and I said, are you watching this Geezer Bowl?

2030
01:49:16,120 --> 01:49:16,800
Speaker 9: And he said, yeah.

2031
01:49:16,840 --> 01:49:17,479
Speaker 3: Do you know that?

2032
01:49:17,840 --> 01:49:21,200
Speaker 38: The fact he said Flacco has never lost on Thursday,

2033
01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:24,719
Speaker 38: Rogers has never won on Thursday. I have no idea

2034
01:49:24,760 --> 01:49:27,240
Speaker 38: if that's true. But if that's true, that's hilarious.

2035
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:33,519
Speaker 2: That's definitely not true. But you know, it's a Steelers fan,

2036
01:49:33,600 --> 01:49:35,439
Speaker 2: so I wouldn't expect him to be really in touch

2037
01:49:35,479 --> 01:49:36,120
Speaker 2: with reality.

2038
01:49:36,160 --> 01:49:36,360
Speaker 39: You know.

2039
01:49:39,320 --> 01:49:41,519
Speaker 38: Yeah, he's not listening to this. I can't see you.

2040
01:49:42,640 --> 01:49:45,320
Speaker 2: Just I looked it up here real quick. Aaron Rodgers

2041
01:49:45,400 --> 01:49:51,120
Speaker 2: is thirteen and six on Thursdays and Joe Flacco is

2042
01:49:51,200 --> 01:49:55,120
Speaker 2: eight and five on Thursdays.

2043
01:49:54,640 --> 01:49:57,280
Speaker 38: That's not anywhere close to what he said. You're right,

2044
01:49:57,320 --> 01:49:58,560
Speaker 38: he's from Pittsburgh.

2045
01:49:58,920 --> 01:49:59,800
Speaker 10: He's clueless.

2046
01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:01,599
Speaker 2: Florida heat's getting to him.

2047
01:50:01,680 --> 01:50:06,439
Speaker 38: Jacko, Hey, I think that what they need to do

2048
01:50:06,520 --> 01:50:09,840
Speaker 38: is they need to abandon what they try to do

2049
01:50:10,360 --> 01:50:12,320
Speaker 38: a burrow and they need to go heavy with an

2050
01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:14,599
Speaker 38: extra lineman and run it down everybody's throat.

2051
01:50:15,200 --> 01:50:18,080
Speaker 3: They got two running, Yeah.

2052
01:50:18,040 --> 01:50:21,160
Speaker 2: I would love that. Unfortunately, the other five offensive linemens

2053
01:50:21,200 --> 01:50:23,000
Speaker 2: suck and they're soft and they're slow, and they're not

2054
01:50:23,120 --> 01:50:25,080
Speaker 2: very good. And Jacko, thank you for the phone call.

2055
01:50:25,120 --> 01:50:30,200
Speaker 2: I mean, they're I don't know any other way to

2056
01:50:30,240 --> 01:50:32,960
Speaker 2: say it. They're not that good. They can't run the football.

2057
01:50:34,040 --> 01:50:35,960
Speaker 2: You can blame the scheme. All you want, and I

2058
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:39,639
Speaker 2: have no problem with that, but also eventually it comes

2059
01:50:39,680 --> 01:50:42,559
Speaker 2: down to can you block the guy in front of you?

2060
01:50:44,080 --> 01:50:46,960
Speaker 2: And the tape does not lie. The Bengals offense is

2061
01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:50,200
Speaker 2: slow off the excuse me. Their offensive line is slow

2062
01:50:50,200 --> 01:50:52,639
Speaker 2: off the line of scrimmage. They play with a high

2063
01:50:52,640 --> 01:50:58,840
Speaker 2: pad level, and they are not physical whatsoever. Part of

2064
01:50:58,840 --> 01:51:02,160
Speaker 2: my issues with Zach Taylor is that there is a

2065
01:51:02,280 --> 01:51:06,960
Speaker 2: lack of physicality, there's lack of killer instinct. There's this

2066
01:51:07,120 --> 01:51:12,479
Speaker 2: lack of aggression in the football team. And I don't

2067
01:51:12,479 --> 01:51:15,800
Speaker 2: think that's Zach's personality and there's nothing wrong with that,

2068
01:51:16,640 --> 01:51:19,160
Speaker 2: but I think it's an issue if you're a football coach.

2069
01:51:19,920 --> 01:51:24,040
Speaker 2: Now they're a guy like Andy Reid, for example, Nobody

2070
01:51:24,040 --> 01:51:30,320
Speaker 2: would describe Andy Reid as this aggressive, physical, loud mouth,

2071
01:51:30,479 --> 01:51:34,200
Speaker 2: tough guy. But his football teams are so buttoned up

2072
01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:37,080
Speaker 2: and they execute at a high level, and they play

2073
01:51:37,120 --> 01:51:39,719
Speaker 2: with the level of physicality. One of the things Andy

2074
01:51:39,760 --> 01:51:43,000
Speaker 2: Reid is known for is a very tough, very physical

2075
01:51:43,439 --> 01:51:48,200
Speaker 2: preseason in training camp. He gets his guys ready to play. Now,

2076
01:51:48,240 --> 01:51:52,840
Speaker 2: his personality maybe doesn't reflect that, but his teams do,

2077
01:51:53,120 --> 01:51:57,960
Speaker 2: so it is possible to establish that mentality to establish

2078
01:51:58,040 --> 01:52:01,840
Speaker 2: that culture, to establish that way of playing in that

2079
01:52:01,920 --> 01:52:06,559
Speaker 2: play style without maybe being that type of personality. Now,

2080
01:52:06,600 --> 01:52:09,120
Speaker 2: the other opposite end of the spectrum is Dan Campbell.

2081
01:52:09,400 --> 01:52:15,479
Speaker 2: He could not be more aggressive and almost abrasive in

2082
01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:19,760
Speaker 2: his desire for physicality and aggression from his team, and

2083
01:52:19,800 --> 01:52:23,880
Speaker 2: they reflect that. Bill Cower is another example the way

2084
01:52:23,880 --> 01:52:27,240
Speaker 2: that those Steelers teams used to play. I think even

2085
01:52:27,280 --> 01:52:31,720
Speaker 2: Bill Parcells would be an example of that. Now, Bill Belichick,

2086
01:52:32,840 --> 01:52:36,120
Speaker 2: he had the most curmudgeon personality of all time, and

2087
01:52:36,240 --> 01:52:39,120
Speaker 2: yet those teams were so smart, so buttoned up, and

2088
01:52:39,160 --> 01:52:41,400
Speaker 2: they were physical to the point of attack. They weren't

2089
01:52:41,400 --> 01:52:44,920
Speaker 2: always great, you know, there were some you know, Patriots

2090
01:52:45,000 --> 01:52:49,920
Speaker 2: teams and offensive lines that made you question, but they

2091
01:52:49,960 --> 01:52:53,760
Speaker 2: at least had the fundamentals down. And now that we're

2092
01:52:53,760 --> 01:52:57,400
Speaker 2: here through three or four offensive line coaches and Zach

2093
01:52:57,439 --> 01:53:00,240
Speaker 2: Taylor still can't find a way to establish that mentality.

2094
01:53:00,320 --> 01:53:03,040
Speaker 2: I have an issue with that. And I think if

2095
01:53:03,040 --> 01:53:05,360
Speaker 2: you want to be successful in the National Football League

2096
01:53:05,360 --> 01:53:09,160
Speaker 2: and specifically in this division in the AFC North, you've

2097
01:53:09,200 --> 01:53:12,799
Speaker 2: got to be able to take it to guys. You know, Cleveland,

2098
01:53:12,840 --> 01:53:15,439
Speaker 2: we always joke about them being a bad matchup. Well,

2099
01:53:15,439 --> 01:53:17,200
Speaker 2: part of the reason they're a bad matchup is because

2100
01:53:17,240 --> 01:53:21,519
Speaker 2: the Bengals are soft. Cleveland they lost by I don't know,

2101
01:53:21,640 --> 01:53:25,120
Speaker 2: thirty five points to Baltimore earlier this year. I don't

2102
01:53:25,120 --> 01:53:27,840
Speaker 2: think that that's really indicative of who the Browns were.

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01:53:28,760 --> 01:53:32,519
Speaker 2: They still physically are a difficult team to deal with.

2104
01:53:32,640 --> 01:53:36,360
Speaker 2: Even in this division. None of these teams have really

2105
01:53:36,400 --> 01:53:40,960
Speaker 2: good offensive lines right now. Cleveland's isn't great, Pittsburgh's is struggling,

2106
01:53:41,040 --> 01:53:46,880
Speaker 2: the Bengals is terrible, Baltimore nothing. And what's the common

2107
01:53:46,920 --> 01:53:50,320
Speaker 2: denominator in this entire league or in this entire division.

2108
01:53:50,439 --> 01:53:55,320
Speaker 2: None of them are very good. Like you have got

2109
01:53:55,360 --> 01:53:58,920
Speaker 2: to that has to be a part of your identity.

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01:53:59,000 --> 01:54:01,080
Speaker 2: And I think the Bengals are struggling to find theirs

2111
01:54:01,200 --> 01:54:04,599
Speaker 2: right now. And I have no other person to blame

2112
01:54:04,680 --> 01:54:08,880
Speaker 2: there except for Zach Taylor. You know, this conversation started

2113
01:54:08,920 --> 01:54:13,880
Speaker 2: by talking about the records of these two quarterbacks on

2114
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:17,320
Speaker 2: Thursday nights. How about these numbers for Aaron Rodgers. This

2115
01:54:17,479 --> 01:54:22,759
Speaker 2: is crazy. Nineteen career games played on a Thursday. Rogers

2116
01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:27,000
Speaker 2: is thirteen and six. He's completing sixty seven and a

2117
01:54:27,040 --> 01:54:30,000
Speaker 2: half percent of his passes. So this is basically a

2118
01:54:30,040 --> 01:54:32,680
Speaker 2: full season, just one game more than a full season,

2119
01:54:33,880 --> 01:54:39,160
Speaker 2: for four eight hundred and seventy seven yards, forty two touchdowns,

2120
01:54:39,360 --> 01:54:45,600
Speaker 2: and five interceptions in those nineteen games. That is crazy

2121
01:54:45,640 --> 01:54:48,720
Speaker 2: good numbers for Aaron Rodgers. For Joe Flacco, it's thirteen

2122
01:54:48,840 --> 01:54:53,400
Speaker 2: games with an eight to five record, completing sixty three

2123
01:54:53,440 --> 01:54:57,120
Speaker 2: point four percent of his passes for three thousand and

2124
01:54:57,200 --> 01:55:02,160
Speaker 2: eleven yards, twenty touchdowns, ten in interceptions for Joe Flacco

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01:55:02,360 --> 01:55:07,040
Speaker 2: in thirteen Thursday games. Let's go back to the phones.

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01:55:07,120 --> 01:55:09,040
Speaker 2: Let's talk to our guy Mike in LA.

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01:55:09,160 --> 01:55:14,520
Speaker 9: What's up, Mikey, Hey, pal, I shouldn't double bit, but

2128
01:55:14,640 --> 01:55:15,520
Speaker 9: I did.

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01:55:15,520 --> 01:55:16,320
Speaker 40: I call her eariler?

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01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:17,560
Speaker 2: No, Wow, he didn't.

2131
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Speaker 3: You didn't.

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Speaker 2: You're good? What's up?

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01:55:21,200 --> 01:55:23,240
Speaker 9: You know when you were talking about this, I think

2134
01:55:23,280 --> 01:55:25,520
Speaker 9: you hit the nail on the head with this lack

2135
01:55:25,640 --> 01:55:28,320
Speaker 9: of fierceness.

2136
01:55:27,840 --> 01:55:28,320
Speaker 4: Lack of.

2137
01:55:30,040 --> 01:55:32,840
Speaker 9: Punching the ball, lack of hurting somebody, you know what

2138
01:55:32,880 --> 01:55:35,720
Speaker 9: I mean. Yeah, and like you were saying about Reed, No,

2139
01:55:36,160 --> 01:55:40,080
Speaker 9: his personality doesn't convey that, but he's probably got the best,

2140
01:55:40,120 --> 01:55:42,840
Speaker 9: one of the best decoordinators that's ever been in the league.

2141
01:55:42,880 --> 01:55:43,760
Speaker 38: Right, it's bag.

2142
01:55:43,960 --> 01:55:46,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good point and uh, and.

2143
01:55:46,280 --> 01:55:48,120
Speaker 9: I don't know who is Do you know who their

2144
01:55:48,200 --> 01:55:49,280
Speaker 9: OC is or.

2145
01:55:49,320 --> 01:55:51,880
Speaker 2: I believe it's I believe it's Matt Maggie, now, the

2146
01:55:51,920 --> 01:55:53,280
Speaker 2: former coach of the Bears.

2147
01:55:53,600 --> 01:55:56,920
Speaker 9: Oh that's right, that's right. It was slipping my brains.

2148
01:55:57,240 --> 01:56:00,480
Speaker 9: And uh, I can't wait for the Mariners game tonight.

2149
01:56:00,560 --> 01:56:03,840
Speaker 9: It's uh, it's fun. I'm really for Seattle. I mean,

2150
01:56:03,880 --> 01:56:06,200
Speaker 9: I got nothing against Toronto. They haven't won anything in

2151
01:56:06,200 --> 01:56:08,480
Speaker 9: a balloon moon either, so either want to be good.

2152
01:56:08,520 --> 01:56:11,080
Speaker 9: But for some reason, part of it might be Luis

2153
01:56:11,200 --> 01:56:16,840
Speaker 9: Castell being on the team next year Andrez too. Yeah,

2154
01:56:16,840 --> 01:56:19,240
Speaker 9: and you know who is watching it? Does Griff Jr.

2155
01:56:19,960 --> 01:56:21,640
Speaker 9: You know he's probably out there right.

2156
01:56:22,000 --> 01:56:24,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm sure he is. And I'm sure if

2157
01:56:24,040 --> 01:56:25,800
Speaker 2: they make it to the World Series, you can be

2158
01:56:25,840 --> 01:56:27,600
Speaker 2: the first one throwing out a first pitch.

2159
01:56:28,520 --> 01:56:30,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, I bet you may be dead on it. There.

2160
01:56:31,480 --> 01:56:33,640
Speaker 9: You that's a very good point. I didn't think of that.

2161
01:56:34,040 --> 01:56:36,120
Speaker 9: I'm feeling a little cueasy, brother. I better go, But

2162
01:56:36,160 --> 01:56:37,360
Speaker 9: thanks for taking my call.

2163
01:56:37,400 --> 01:56:38,560
Speaker 2: Everybody, good to talk to you.

2164
01:56:38,640 --> 01:56:38,960
Speaker 3: Thank you.

2165
01:56:39,040 --> 01:56:41,360
Speaker 2: That is our guy. Mike in La. Let's go from

2166
01:56:41,400 --> 01:56:43,440
Speaker 2: Mike in La to Mike in Independence.

2167
01:56:43,480 --> 01:56:43,800
Speaker 3: What's up?

2168
01:56:43,840 --> 01:56:44,720
Speaker 2: Mike, what's on your mind?

2169
01:56:45,920 --> 01:56:46,520
Speaker 14: It was going on?

2170
01:56:47,240 --> 01:56:48,400
Speaker 3: I just want to touch base.

2171
01:56:49,720 --> 01:56:53,720
Speaker 40: I do think we're gonna bring in Bill Callahan next week. Uh,

2172
01:56:54,160 --> 01:56:56,600
Speaker 40: it makes too much sense. I mean they know each other.

2173
01:56:56,680 --> 01:56:59,920
Speaker 40: I think it's gonna be a good eyes look at

2174
01:57:00,080 --> 01:57:02,800
Speaker 40: offensive line and kind of saying, hey, this is what

2175
01:57:02,960 --> 01:57:06,640
Speaker 40: I think we can do to help approve improve their aggression.

2176
01:57:06,680 --> 01:57:09,000
Speaker 40: I don't know if it's a strike technique or what

2177
01:57:09,000 --> 01:57:12,360
Speaker 40: what's causing them to be kind of passive and receiving

2178
01:57:13,040 --> 01:57:16,640
Speaker 40: the defensive line rather than being aggressive towards them. So

2179
01:57:16,760 --> 01:57:20,960
Speaker 40: hopefully that takes place and can help approve the offensive line.

2180
01:57:21,800 --> 01:57:25,919
Speaker 40: And if anybody's tailgating tomorrow, it will be a lot one.

2181
01:57:26,200 --> 01:57:27,600
Speaker 3: We're having a seafood boil.

2182
01:57:28,280 --> 01:57:30,600
Speaker 2: Come on out and join the seafood boil.

2183
01:57:31,760 --> 01:57:33,480
Speaker 40: Oh yeah, we got the big pot, right, We've got

2184
01:57:33,520 --> 01:57:36,880
Speaker 40: the crab of legs, a shrimp corn, the whole deal.

2185
01:57:37,000 --> 01:57:38,960
Speaker 2: Do you do this every time tailgate?

2186
01:57:40,520 --> 01:57:43,320
Speaker 40: Not every time, but we've done the Tampa before, just

2187
01:57:43,360 --> 01:57:44,160
Speaker 40: different tailgates.

2188
01:57:44,200 --> 01:57:45,160
Speaker 21: So Pitts was a big deal.

2189
01:57:45,200 --> 01:57:46,640
Speaker 6: We had to plan the last month or so.

2190
01:57:46,840 --> 01:57:48,840
Speaker 3: And but the Keith throws.

2191
01:57:48,600 --> 01:57:51,120
Speaker 6: Down and we we're gonna We're gonna get there about

2192
01:57:51,120 --> 01:57:51,600
Speaker 6: four o'clock.

2193
01:57:51,600 --> 01:57:54,080
Speaker 35: We opens up and get things set up and going, oh.

2194
01:57:53,920 --> 01:57:56,640
Speaker 2: My godness, how long does that normally take? Like if

2195
01:57:56,680 --> 01:57:59,720
Speaker 2: you get there at four and you start a seafood

2196
01:57:59,760 --> 01:58:02,480
Speaker 2: bol oil, when are you eating prior to going into

2197
01:58:02,520 --> 01:58:03,200
Speaker 2: the stadium?

2198
01:58:03,760 --> 01:58:06,120
Speaker 40: We were getting around five, fifteen thirty or so.

2199
01:58:06,640 --> 01:58:11,160
Speaker 2: All right, Wow, I mean I figured, I don't know,

2200
01:58:11,200 --> 01:58:14,840
Speaker 2: I just didn't assume it. October Bengals Steelers equals a

2201
01:58:14,920 --> 01:58:17,280
Speaker 2: seafood boil. But I like it. That's a good idea.

2202
01:58:17,400 --> 01:58:20,280
Speaker 40: Mike, Well, I have to Yeah, yeah, I know you're

2203
01:58:20,280 --> 01:58:22,000
Speaker 40: probably good, but can you stop about you?

2204
01:58:23,160 --> 01:58:25,840
Speaker 2: I'll do my best, Mike, Thank you, I appreciate it.

2205
01:58:25,880 --> 01:58:28,400
Speaker 2: How about that little seafood boil for a tailgate?

2206
01:58:29,040 --> 01:58:29,560
Speaker 10: All right?

2207
01:58:29,840 --> 01:58:32,760
Speaker 2: All right, I see you working, Mike and independence we'll

2208
01:58:32,760 --> 01:58:35,520
Speaker 2: take a break. We'll come back. This is ESPN fifteen thirty,

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Speaker 2: so you see.

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Speaker 1: Ky ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station, home.

2211
01:58:46,720 --> 01:58:49,960
Speaker 2: Stretch of since E three p. Sixty on a Wednesday afternoon.

2212
01:58:50,000 --> 01:58:53,879
Speaker 2: I'm Austin Elmore with you. Started the show by talking

2213
01:58:53,960 --> 01:58:57,800
Speaker 2: about the Bengals in this decision to go to a

2214
01:58:57,840 --> 01:59:00,520
Speaker 2: youth movement on defense and there are going to be

2215
01:59:00,560 --> 01:59:04,320
Speaker 2: growing pains. It's also kind of awkward to go away

2216
01:59:04,320 --> 01:59:05,240
Speaker 2: from Logan Wilson.

2217
01:59:05,280 --> 01:59:05,360
Speaker 29: Now.

2218
01:59:05,400 --> 01:59:07,240
Speaker 2: I don't know that Logan Wilson was playing at a

2219
01:59:07,240 --> 01:59:11,160
Speaker 2: Brian Irlacker level, But I don't know that Logan Wilson

2220
01:59:11,240 --> 01:59:15,000
Speaker 2: was playing at a Nick Vigil level either. But he

2221
01:59:15,040 --> 01:59:17,560
Speaker 2: got benched for Barrett Carter on Sunday in Green Bay.

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01:59:18,560 --> 01:59:22,440
Speaker 2: I don't know what to expect tomorrow night against Pittsburgh

2223
01:59:22,960 --> 01:59:26,520
Speaker 2: because Logan Wilson has some experience against a guy like

2224
01:59:26,560 --> 01:59:30,960
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers has experience in those moments, and you feel

2225
01:59:30,960 --> 01:59:33,920
Speaker 2: like against the Pittsburgh Steelers you could draw from that,

2226
01:59:34,960 --> 01:59:38,280
Speaker 2: or you know, is Logan gonna play at all on

2227
01:59:38,440 --> 01:59:40,640
Speaker 2: defense or is it gonna be another game where you're

2228
01:59:40,720 --> 01:59:45,560
Speaker 2: just going at the Steelers with Barrett Carter and allowing

2229
01:59:45,600 --> 01:59:48,280
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers to kind of pick on a rookie quarter

2230
01:59:48,560 --> 01:59:52,880
Speaker 2: on a rookie linebacker, two rookie linebackers. I don't know,

2231
01:59:54,000 --> 01:59:58,000
Speaker 2: but I think it's notable the way that Logan Wilson

2232
01:59:58,080 --> 02:00:03,240
Speaker 2: and Barrett Carter have both handled this benching. Wilson met

2233
02:00:03,240 --> 02:00:06,840
Speaker 2: with reporters in the locker room yesterday. Here's a few

2234
02:00:06,880 --> 02:00:09,839
Speaker 2: seconds of what Logan Wilson had to say about being benched.

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02:00:10,120 --> 02:00:12,440
Speaker 41: I told him that, like on a Wednesday of last week,

2236
02:00:12,440 --> 02:00:14,240
Speaker 41: I found out we found out about this on Monday,

2237
02:00:14,240 --> 02:00:15,880
Speaker 41: and you.

2238
02:00:15,840 --> 02:00:17,320
Speaker 3: Know, I put my put my arm around him.

2239
02:00:17,320 --> 02:00:18,520
Speaker 41: I told him, I said, there's gonna be no hard

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02:00:18,520 --> 02:00:20,760
Speaker 41: feelings between us. Just know that, like, I'm not gonna

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02:00:20,800 --> 02:00:22,400
Speaker 41: change who I am. I still want to help you out.

2242
02:00:22,440 --> 02:00:23,880
Speaker 41: I know I've played a lot of football and there's

2243
02:00:23,880 --> 02:00:26,880
Speaker 41: things I can still pour into you. And I told

2244
02:00:26,920 --> 02:00:28,760
Speaker 41: myself I was not going to change who I am

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02:00:28,800 --> 02:00:31,240
Speaker 41: because of a time of adversity in my life. And

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02:00:31,640 --> 02:00:34,160
Speaker 41: you know, in a whenever my career is done, like

2247
02:00:34,280 --> 02:00:36,960
Speaker 41: look back at this time of adversity and be able

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02:00:37,000 --> 02:00:39,440
Speaker 41: to tell my kids how to how to get through,

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02:00:39,480 --> 02:00:41,920
Speaker 41: how to work through adversity like this, And so that's

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Speaker 41: what I'll be most proud of. By the end of

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02:00:43,280 --> 02:00:44,800
Speaker 41: the day, I'm still going to work to continue to

2252
02:00:44,840 --> 02:00:48,080
Speaker 41: get better and just continue to support him as best

2253
02:00:48,080 --> 02:00:49,960
Speaker 41: as I can, because that's what a good teammate would do.

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02:00:50,040 --> 02:00:52,720
Speaker 22: I probably felt like he did some some two good

2255
02:00:52,720 --> 02:00:53,920
Speaker 22: things against the lines.

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Speaker 3: Like I don't like you fell your plan.

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02:00:55,520 --> 02:00:59,920
Speaker 24: Okay, I felt like I was, but obviously Zach fell out,

2258
02:01:00,360 --> 02:01:06,640
Speaker 24: So that's Logan Wilson beating with reporters yesterday finishes with Obviously,

2259
02:01:06,760 --> 02:01:07,760
Speaker 24: Zach felt otherwise.

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02:01:07,800 --> 02:01:11,400
Speaker 2: So again, this is reflection of Zach Taylor, maybe more

2261
02:01:11,480 --> 02:01:13,680
Speaker 2: than Al Golden. I know a lot of people want

2262
02:01:13,680 --> 02:01:15,920
Speaker 2: to put it on Al Golden and maybe the new

2263
02:01:15,960 --> 02:01:17,800
Speaker 2: linebackers coach Mike Hodges.

2264
02:01:17,480 --> 02:01:17,880
Speaker 3: And all that.

2265
02:01:18,120 --> 02:01:21,480
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, but again it's a Zach Taylor call.

2266
02:01:21,520 --> 02:01:25,480
Speaker 2: And Zach has said multiple times we are evaluating everybody.

2267
02:01:26,720 --> 02:01:28,560
Speaker 2: So I thought it was cool the way Logan Wilson

2268
02:01:28,560 --> 02:01:31,960
Speaker 2: handled that. Not an easy situation to be in, not

2269
02:01:32,120 --> 02:01:35,640
Speaker 2: an enviable situation for anybody to be in, but handled

2270
02:01:35,680 --> 02:01:38,680
Speaker 2: it with class, as did Barrett Carter, the guy who

2271
02:01:38,800 --> 02:01:42,240
Speaker 2: is replacing Logan Wilson. Here's what he had to say

2272
02:01:42,360 --> 02:01:43,440
Speaker 2: when he met with the media.

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Speaker 42: He's been great, you know, Logan, he's been That's just

2274
02:01:47,280 --> 02:01:48,960
Speaker 42: a guy I have so much love and respect for.

2275
02:01:49,160 --> 02:01:52,560
Speaker 42: And you know, whatever coach decides to do, you know,

2276
02:01:52,920 --> 02:01:55,920
Speaker 42: we both can live with the results knowing that we

2277
02:01:56,320 --> 02:01:57,800
Speaker 42: just we go to work every single day and we

2278
02:01:58,120 --> 02:02:00,720
Speaker 42: love each other and he's been nothing but help like

2279
02:02:00,800 --> 02:02:03,200
Speaker 42: for me, just I still lean on him every single

2280
02:02:03,280 --> 02:02:05,040
Speaker 42: day and I still will continue to lean on him

2281
02:02:05,040 --> 02:02:07,840
Speaker 42: every single day no matter what the coach decides to do.

2282
02:02:07,920 --> 02:02:09,560
Speaker 42: It's not it's not up to me, it's not up

2283
02:02:09,600 --> 02:02:11,880
Speaker 42: to him. But we both we both love each other.

2284
02:02:11,920 --> 02:02:13,320
Speaker 42: We both go to war with each other.

2285
02:02:13,600 --> 02:02:16,480
Speaker 3: From an operational standpoint. Wearing the green dot, How did

2286
02:02:16,640 --> 02:02:18,720
Speaker 3: you feel that win? I felt great, you know.

2287
02:02:18,800 --> 02:02:20,800
Speaker 42: I mean, I've been it since I've been here, so

2288
02:02:20,800 --> 02:02:24,000
Speaker 42: it wasn't like a new thing for me. But now

2289
02:02:24,040 --> 02:02:25,560
Speaker 42: it was great to just get out there and just

2290
02:02:25,640 --> 02:02:28,000
Speaker 42: communicate with the guys and just you know, make plays

2291
02:02:28,040 --> 02:02:31,040
Speaker 42: and everything. But it was a good experience and just

2292
02:02:31,080 --> 02:02:32,560
Speaker 42: got to just keep building on that and just keep

2293
02:02:32,600 --> 02:02:33,480
Speaker 42: stack in days.

2294
02:02:34,040 --> 02:02:38,200
Speaker 2: Bengals rookie linebacker Barrett Carter impressive young man and oppressive

2295
02:02:38,280 --> 02:02:41,120
Speaker 2: the way that both of those guys are handling that situation,

2296
02:02:41,640 --> 02:02:43,920
Speaker 2: Because again, that's not easy. And if we want to

2297
02:02:43,960 --> 02:02:47,520
Speaker 2: give Zach Taylor a win for something that culture and

2298
02:02:47,640 --> 02:02:50,840
Speaker 2: being able to communicate like that and with each other

2299
02:02:51,480 --> 02:02:54,080
Speaker 2: I think is really important and they deserve credit for that.

2300
02:02:54,720 --> 02:02:58,440
Speaker 2: But can it translate to being effective on the field,

2301
02:02:58,440 --> 02:03:02,280
Speaker 2: because ultimately that's what matters most well. Finish off the

2302
02:03:02,280 --> 02:03:05,480
Speaker 2: phone calls by talking to our guy Rodney. What's up, Rodney?

2303
02:03:06,400 --> 02:03:07,760
Speaker 10: Hey, how you guys doing today?

2304
02:03:07,840 --> 02:03:10,720
Speaker 2: Good Man? What's on your mind?

2305
02:03:10,280 --> 02:03:10,400
Speaker 7: Uh?

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02:03:11,080 --> 02:03:12,240
Speaker 10: Just a love Bengals talk.

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02:03:12,600 --> 02:03:15,240
Speaker 39: I mean, I love the Bengals and everything, but there's

2308
02:03:15,320 --> 02:03:18,600
Speaker 39: no accountability to them guys a football players.

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02:03:18,920 --> 02:03:21,400
Speaker 2: You mean you're talking about Logan Wilson got benched.

2310
02:03:22,560 --> 02:03:25,200
Speaker 39: No, I ain't talking about Logan Wilson. I'm just talking

2311
02:03:25,240 --> 02:03:28,040
Speaker 39: about them as a group of football guys. Like you said,

2312
02:03:28,040 --> 02:03:30,120
Speaker 39: you said to write on the note, the Bengals are

2313
02:03:30,160 --> 02:03:34,240
Speaker 39: not a physical football team at all.

2314
02:03:34,240 --> 02:03:35,840
Speaker 2: What does accountability have to do with that?

2315
02:03:36,920 --> 02:03:41,840
Speaker 39: Accountability? The way they played, It's like, Okay, I made

2316
02:03:41,880 --> 02:03:44,160
Speaker 39: a mistake, I did this, I didn't do this right.

2317
02:03:45,240 --> 02:03:47,400
Speaker 39: You got to make them guys like they did Logan

2318
02:03:47,440 --> 02:03:50,000
Speaker 39: Wilson and take them out. But I don't think that's

2319
02:03:50,000 --> 02:03:53,040
Speaker 39: the problem. Logan Wilson, to me, he was playing solid.

2320
02:03:53,240 --> 02:03:56,320
Speaker 39: We's hurting up on an officer line and the defensive line.

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02:03:56,840 --> 02:04:00,000
Speaker 39: There's no physicalness at all on that football.

2322
02:04:00,400 --> 02:04:02,480
Speaker 2: Well, I agree with you, but I mean I wouldn't

2323
02:04:02,520 --> 02:04:04,320
Speaker 2: say that they haven't done anything about it. I mean

2324
02:04:04,360 --> 02:04:07,640
Speaker 2: Dalton Risener got benched for Jalen Rivers on the offensive line.

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Speaker 39: Yeah, but well we were really really hurting. It's our

2326
02:04:11,960 --> 02:04:12,800
Speaker 39: cornerbacks there.

2327
02:04:13,280 --> 02:04:15,360
Speaker 12: They can't tackle nobody.

2328
02:04:15,480 --> 02:04:17,800
Speaker 2: I agree with you on that. I mean the mistackles

2329
02:04:17,840 --> 02:04:20,160
Speaker 2: against Green Bay I think was the worst of the

2330
02:04:20,240 --> 02:04:22,760
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor era. I think nineteen according to one.

2331
02:04:22,680 --> 02:04:26,320
Speaker 39: Website exactly and the two safety.

2332
02:04:26,400 --> 02:04:30,760
Speaker 2: Oh boy, oh boy. Now you're spot on on that, Rodney.

2333
02:04:30,800 --> 02:04:31,800
Speaker 2: Those guys are not good.

2334
02:04:33,520 --> 02:04:37,720
Speaker 39: No physical nothing about these guys on third down.

2335
02:04:37,960 --> 02:04:38,760
Speaker 9: We're the only.

2336
02:04:38,600 --> 02:04:41,520
Speaker 39: Team I watched and on third down in nineteen we

2337
02:04:41,640 --> 02:04:43,800
Speaker 39: give up twenty.

2338
02:04:44,640 --> 02:04:45,760
Speaker 2: It's a little too common.

2339
02:04:47,320 --> 02:04:47,520
Speaker 40: Yeah.

2340
02:04:48,320 --> 02:04:51,600
Speaker 39: Yes, And like I said, this football to me ain't

2341
02:04:51,600 --> 02:04:53,960
Speaker 39: the same, you know, like everybody said, I told him,

2342
02:04:53,960 --> 02:04:55,320
Speaker 39: the division is not as.

2343
02:04:55,160 --> 02:04:56,800
Speaker 9: Good as everybody thinks.

2344
02:04:57,200 --> 02:04:59,200
Speaker 39: The ANC's off the struggling issues.

2345
02:04:59,280 --> 02:05:00,160
Speaker 28: Yeah, yep.

2346
02:05:01,320 --> 02:05:04,720
Speaker 39: There's nobody that I could see in uh in our

2347
02:05:04,840 --> 02:05:08,440
Speaker 39: division and go for yeah, if they made it to

2348
02:05:08,520 --> 02:05:09,720
Speaker 39: the playoff one and out.

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02:05:10,320 --> 02:05:14,080
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think it's time for I think it's time.

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02:05:14,000 --> 02:05:17,840
Speaker 2: For change though, So you're saying get rid of Zach Taylor, Yes, sir,

2351
02:05:18,080 --> 02:05:20,000
Speaker 2: all right, Rodney, thank you for the phone call.

2352
02:05:21,120 --> 02:05:22,080
Speaker 39: All right, I appreciate you.

2353
02:05:22,280 --> 02:05:23,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know that.

2354
02:05:23,520 --> 02:05:26,600
Speaker 2: Rodney's not alone. A lot of people feel that way

2355
02:05:26,680 --> 02:05:30,720
Speaker 2: when it comes to Zach Taylor. Uh, before we get

2356
02:05:30,800 --> 02:05:33,640
Speaker 2: to Moegger for quick hits and lock or not locks

2357
02:05:33,720 --> 02:05:36,520
Speaker 2: the night, there's another muscle memory thing. I'm gonna get

2358
02:05:36,560 --> 02:05:39,240
Speaker 2: this figured out eventually, and listen, you know, be patient

2359
02:05:39,320 --> 02:05:39,560
Speaker 2: with me.

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02:05:39,760 --> 02:05:40,040
Speaker 3: Okay.

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02:05:40,280 --> 02:05:42,960
Speaker 2: Anyways, take a listen to this from last.

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02:05:42,840 --> 02:05:45,400
Speaker 3: Night, oh and two on bond.

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02:05:45,600 --> 02:05:53,240
Speaker 25: Pitch one eleven coming from Yoshinobu Yamamodo, Strike three swinging,

2364
02:05:54,480 --> 02:06:01,880
Speaker 25: Yoshinobu Yamamoto goes the distance. In Game two, the Dodgers

2365
02:06:02,160 --> 02:06:05,400
Speaker 25: win five to one and take a two nothing series

2366
02:06:05,560 --> 02:06:11,120
Speaker 25: lead in this championship series. Yamamoto's first complete game of

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02:06:11,240 --> 02:06:14,840
Speaker 25: his major league career in the first Dodger complete game

2368
02:06:14,920 --> 02:06:18,800
Speaker 25: in a postseason game since Lima time in two thousand

2369
02:06:18,840 --> 02:06:19,320
Speaker 25: and four.

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02:06:20,200 --> 02:06:22,520
Speaker 2: That was the call last night on the Dodgers Radio

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02:06:22,680 --> 02:06:29,520
Speaker 2: Network in a silent, stunned Milwaukee, Wisconsin as the Dodgers

2372
02:06:30,120 --> 02:06:34,040
Speaker 2: beat the Brewers. And listen when it comes to tailgate parties,

2373
02:06:34,160 --> 02:06:37,760
Speaker 2: like our guy said yesterday or earlier, with the seafood

2374
02:06:37,840 --> 02:06:41,000
Speaker 2: boil they got going on ahead of Bengals Steelers tomorrow night,

2375
02:06:41,800 --> 02:06:45,520
Speaker 2: seafood boil is good, but nothing beats the bold, fresh

2376
02:06:45,600 --> 02:06:49,880
Speaker 2: flavor of wind Schulers Spreadable Cheese. Take it with you

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02:06:50,080 --> 02:06:52,760
Speaker 2: to your tailgate party. Stop by the store now and

2378
02:06:52,880 --> 02:06:56,040
Speaker 2: go get you some win Schuler's cheese spreads ahead of

2379
02:06:56,160 --> 02:06:59,120
Speaker 2: the tailgate party for tomorrow night, and make sure there's

2380
02:06:59,200 --> 02:07:02,400
Speaker 2: plenty on hand when the party kicks off. The Call

2381
02:07:02,440 --> 02:07:06,520
Speaker 2: to Day brought to you by wind Shoolers Fantastic Cheese Spreads.

2382
02:07:06,960 --> 02:07:11,800
Speaker 2: Elevate your taste game when we come back. Moegger joins

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02:07:11,880 --> 02:07:14,720
Speaker 2: for quick hits right here on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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02:07:15,760 --> 02:07:20,840
Speaker 1: From the bron continues on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's sports station.

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02:07:21,960 --> 02:07:25,480
Speaker 1: It's time for Cincy three sixty quick hits on ESPN

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02:07:25,600 --> 02:07:26,840
Speaker 1: fifteen looking for Mo.

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02:07:27,520 --> 02:07:30,040
Speaker 2: We found Mo and uh. I love it when we

2388
02:07:30,160 --> 02:07:33,640
Speaker 2: use the Aaron Rodgers sound bite, especially this week when

2389
02:07:33,680 --> 02:07:35,720
Speaker 2: the Bengals face Aaron Rodgers. What's up, Mo?

2390
02:07:36,040 --> 02:07:37,000
Speaker 3: How are we doing? Audie?

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02:07:37,000 --> 02:07:37,520
Speaker 4: What's going on?

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02:07:37,800 --> 02:07:40,160
Speaker 2: I'm wonderful, I'm looking. I just looked to my left

2393
02:07:40,200 --> 02:07:42,320
Speaker 2: to grab my notebook. There is a stack in here

2394
02:07:42,360 --> 02:07:44,960
Speaker 2: of about seventy five Skyline chili hots.

2395
02:07:45,240 --> 02:07:45,520
Speaker 4: Let's go.

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02:07:46,080 --> 02:07:49,120
Speaker 2: Do you are you hot? Sauce on your your Coney's

2397
02:07:49,160 --> 02:07:49,800
Speaker 2: or your three ways?

2398
02:07:49,840 --> 02:07:50,280
Speaker 3: I'll do that.

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02:07:50,440 --> 02:07:52,600
Speaker 4: I do I do hot sauce. I drizzle it on

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02:07:52,680 --> 02:07:54,720
Speaker 4: the three Way, not the coney. Oh and I really

2401
02:07:54,760 --> 02:07:56,600
Speaker 4: don't know why, but on the three y yes, because

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02:07:56,600 --> 02:07:58,760
Speaker 4: that's what my dad did. Do you ever put crackers

2403
02:07:58,800 --> 02:08:02,480
Speaker 4: on the three Way? I don't. But my my daughter

2404
02:08:02,760 --> 02:08:05,720
Speaker 4: has created what she wants to go on the Skyline menu,

2405
02:08:05,760 --> 02:08:08,800
Speaker 4: which is called the Crosley. She gets a regular hot dog,

2406
02:08:09,480 --> 02:08:12,200
Speaker 4: then she takes crackers and puts crackers on it with

2407
02:08:12,520 --> 02:08:15,720
Speaker 4: ketchup and then cheese and then a noodle, a few

2408
02:08:15,800 --> 02:08:17,720
Speaker 4: noodles at the top. She calls it the Crosley.

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02:08:18,240 --> 02:08:18,880
Speaker 2: I don't hate that.

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02:08:20,200 --> 02:08:21,880
Speaker 4: Next time we go to Skyline, go with us, and

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02:08:21,960 --> 02:08:24,280
Speaker 4: she'll tell you to try to Have you tried it?

2412
02:08:24,320 --> 02:08:28,280
Speaker 4: I've tried the grossly yes delicious? Of course, yes I would.

2413
02:08:28,520 --> 02:08:30,800
Speaker 4: I mean I'd be all over that. I have a conundrum.

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02:08:31,000 --> 02:08:36,000
Speaker 4: Oh okay, I don't have any white Bengals attire. You're

2415
02:08:36,040 --> 02:08:39,120
Speaker 4: going through this again. But I have white attire that

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02:08:39,200 --> 02:08:41,760
Speaker 4: doesn't say Bengals. What is going to be more important

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02:08:41,760 --> 02:08:44,440
Speaker 4: to the people around me? Because clearly that's why you're

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02:08:44,520 --> 02:08:47,160
Speaker 4: dressing for this, right, You're not dressing for your You're

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02:08:47,200 --> 02:08:50,360
Speaker 4: dressing so the people around you feel like, Okay, that

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02:08:50,520 --> 02:08:51,240
Speaker 4: guy complied.

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02:08:51,280 --> 02:08:52,680
Speaker 2: You're dressing so it looks cool.

2422
02:08:52,840 --> 02:08:56,920
Speaker 4: Is it more important that I wear Bengals branded gear

2423
02:08:57,440 --> 02:09:00,360
Speaker 4: that isn't white or a plain white like I have

2424
02:09:00,440 --> 02:09:01,400
Speaker 4: a plain white.

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02:09:01,280 --> 02:09:01,960
Speaker 2: Like T shirt?

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02:09:02,160 --> 02:09:02,360
Speaker 3: Sure?

2427
02:09:02,960 --> 02:09:03,240
Speaker 1: What is?

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02:09:03,400 --> 02:09:03,440
Speaker 13: What?

2429
02:09:03,800 --> 02:09:06,200
Speaker 4: What should I do? Because if you have time to

2430
02:09:06,280 --> 02:09:08,040
Speaker 4: go buy any white Bengals gear.

2431
02:09:07,920 --> 02:09:10,200
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I have an autographed John Ross

2432
02:09:10,360 --> 02:09:12,080
Speaker 2: jersey that you can wear. Oh, that'd be great.

2433
02:09:12,400 --> 02:09:13,000
Speaker 3: It is white.

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02:09:13,120 --> 02:09:15,000
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, if you want it, I'm good.

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02:09:15,200 --> 02:09:20,600
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm fine.

2436
02:09:20,960 --> 02:09:24,360
Speaker 2: It's still on my chair at my desk. Other mountain

2437
02:09:24,400 --> 02:09:27,160
Speaker 2: of T shirts much appreciating. Uh, no problem, but you

2438
02:09:27,560 --> 02:09:31,240
Speaker 2: we we went through this once before we have you've

2439
02:09:31,440 --> 02:09:33,080
Speaker 2: I know this is one of your favorite topics.

2440
02:09:33,120 --> 02:09:33,960
Speaker 9: It is, it is?

2441
02:09:35,160 --> 02:09:38,120
Speaker 2: What's your excuse for not getting anything Bengals white over

2442
02:09:38,200 --> 02:09:39,760
Speaker 2: the last I don't know forty years.

2443
02:09:39,800 --> 02:09:41,880
Speaker 4: I used to so I used to have a white

2444
02:09:41,920 --> 02:09:44,480
Speaker 4: Bengals shirt that I really liked. It just got I

2445
02:09:44,520 --> 02:09:46,920
Speaker 4: worked to the super Bowl, but it just got like

2446
02:09:47,480 --> 02:09:49,680
Speaker 4: wore out over time and there were staying so it's

2447
02:09:49,800 --> 02:09:50,880
Speaker 4: no longer in rotation.

2448
02:09:51,240 --> 02:09:55,080
Speaker 2: My favorite, maybe my favorite ever Bengals piece of apparel

2449
02:09:55,760 --> 02:09:58,000
Speaker 2: was the white Super Bowl jackets yeah, I.

2450
02:09:58,080 --> 02:10:00,560
Speaker 4: Wanted one of those badly. Yeah, so I don't have

2451
02:10:00,680 --> 02:10:03,760
Speaker 4: one of those. I haven't seen any white Bengals gear

2452
02:10:03,840 --> 02:10:06,960
Speaker 4: that I really like, and so I know, like sometimes

2453
02:10:07,600 --> 02:10:10,400
Speaker 4: if you're like the guy who wears the wrong color,

2454
02:10:10,560 --> 02:10:12,960
Speaker 4: people get really mad. I don't want people to get

2455
02:10:13,040 --> 02:10:15,680
Speaker 4: mad at me, So I'm happy to wear some I have,

2456
02:10:15,800 --> 02:10:18,560
Speaker 4: like some some white UC stuff. Okay, well, but then

2457
02:10:19,240 --> 02:10:22,360
Speaker 4: you're not so what is what is going to get

2458
02:10:22,360 --> 02:10:24,800
Speaker 4: the least amount of people screaming at me in my section?

2459
02:10:25,080 --> 02:10:27,720
Speaker 4: I think what matters is that you wear white. Doesn't

2460
02:10:27,760 --> 02:10:31,400
Speaker 4: matter what's on it, as long as you wear white.

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02:10:31,480 --> 02:10:33,720
Speaker 4: Do you see hoodie it is Yeah, there's nothing wrong

2462
02:10:33,760 --> 02:10:33,960
Speaker 4: with that.

2463
02:10:34,440 --> 02:10:34,760
Speaker 3: Very good.

2464
02:10:35,160 --> 02:10:36,640
Speaker 2: What's coming up on your show today?

2465
02:10:36,800 --> 02:10:39,720
Speaker 4: I like what the Bengals are doing at linebacker. Oh

2466
02:10:40,120 --> 02:10:43,520
Speaker 4: I like what the Bengals are doing in replacing Luke

2467
02:10:43,600 --> 02:10:48,800
Speaker 4: Keikley at Luke Keikley. Oh no, sorry, slogan Will thought

2468
02:10:48,840 --> 02:10:50,640
Speaker 4: for a second it was Luke Kley played like.

2469
02:10:50,720 --> 02:10:53,400
Speaker 2: Luke Keikley at one point for about eight games a

2470
02:10:53,520 --> 02:10:54,000
Speaker 2: rookie years.

2471
02:10:54,040 --> 02:10:54,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty good.

2472
02:10:54,720 --> 02:10:57,600
Speaker 4: So we're going to talk about this. I I think

2473
02:10:57,640 --> 02:11:01,320
Speaker 4: this is good, okay, because this is Unbengal This is good.

2474
02:11:02,200 --> 02:11:05,520
Speaker 4: This is really really good you were talking before. I'm

2475
02:11:05,560 --> 02:11:08,760
Speaker 4: so glad you talk about this because there is no

2476
02:11:09,000 --> 02:11:12,440
Speaker 4: narrative I hate more than the Browns are a bad matchup,

2477
02:11:12,480 --> 02:11:15,000
Speaker 4: and you called them soft. So I watched the Steelers

2478
02:11:15,040 --> 02:11:19,280
Speaker 4: Browns game on Sunday, and those stinky Brown's corners somehow

2479
02:11:19,400 --> 02:11:21,760
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers, who never throws the ball deep, was like,

2480
02:11:21,840 --> 02:11:24,240
Speaker 4: you know what we have dk Metcalf. I'm gonna throw

2481
02:11:24,320 --> 02:11:27,520
Speaker 4: him the ball. There is no mentality I hate more

2482
02:11:27,800 --> 02:11:29,680
Speaker 4: than the ones at the man match how what are

2483
02:11:29,680 --> 02:11:31,720
Speaker 4: you gonna know? And I've been complaining about this for

2484
02:11:31,800 --> 02:11:33,560
Speaker 4: a month and a half now they won that game,

2485
02:11:33,640 --> 02:11:37,240
Speaker 4: by the way, Yeah right, just kind of a man

2486
02:11:37,360 --> 02:11:38,200
Speaker 4: match up. I don't know.

2487
02:11:38,520 --> 02:11:40,040
Speaker 10: So there is that.

2488
02:11:41,040 --> 02:11:43,440
Speaker 4: I love the fact that everybody has glommed onto this,

2489
02:11:43,520 --> 02:11:45,520
Speaker 4: including yourself. It makes me I'm not really gonna talk

2490
02:11:45,520 --> 02:11:47,960
Speaker 4: about this, but that end of the Browns, you know,

2491
02:11:48,120 --> 02:11:51,640
Speaker 4: because everybody lazily went to that narrative after the first game,

2492
02:11:52,000 --> 02:11:54,839
Speaker 4: including a lot of folks who's like opinions I really respect,

2493
02:11:55,280 --> 02:11:57,120
Speaker 4: just shrug your shoulders and I go, well, why are

2494
02:11:57,200 --> 02:11:59,680
Speaker 4: we doing that? Because I've watched everybody else play the

2495
02:11:59,720 --> 02:12:02,880
Speaker 4: brown and everybody else is like, Ea, those quarters are good,

2496
02:12:02,920 --> 02:12:05,120
Speaker 4: but we're still gonna try to get our best dudes

2497
02:12:05,200 --> 02:12:08,280
Speaker 4: the ball. Will the Bengals do that? So that, to

2498
02:12:08,400 --> 02:12:11,040
Speaker 4: me is reflective of a mentality that you have talked

2499
02:12:11,040 --> 02:12:12,640
Speaker 4: about a lot today that needs to change.

2500
02:12:13,200 --> 02:12:14,880
Speaker 2: I wonder if the Bengals threw a bit of a

2501
02:12:14,960 --> 02:12:20,000
Speaker 2: party when the Browns traded Greg Newsom propa play wide receivers,

2502
02:12:20,080 --> 02:12:23,360
Speaker 2: did shots? You know, I had cupcakes waiting for him,

2503
02:12:23,400 --> 02:12:25,760
Speaker 2: had Greg Newsom's left the Cleveland Browns.

2504
02:12:26,840 --> 02:12:31,640
Speaker 4: Bad matchups are over bad matchups, spad matchups. I do

2505
02:12:31,800 --> 02:12:34,360
Speaker 4: feel like we are and I'm painting with a broad

2506
02:12:34,400 --> 02:12:36,879
Speaker 4: brush here. I do feel like we're a ted over confident,

2507
02:12:37,520 --> 02:12:40,760
Speaker 4: Like they played a decent half with Joe Flacco's quarterback

2508
02:12:41,360 --> 02:12:43,200
Speaker 4: and now it's like, you know, they win this one,

2509
02:12:43,280 --> 02:12:44,320
Speaker 4: probably gonna run the table.

2510
02:12:46,080 --> 02:12:49,160
Speaker 2: The biggest overconfidence to me is the idea that they'll

2511
02:12:49,240 --> 02:12:50,800
Speaker 2: just walk over the Jets and the Bears.

2512
02:12:51,400 --> 02:12:53,320
Speaker 4: I agree with that. I do think this game is

2513
02:12:53,400 --> 02:12:56,880
Speaker 4: fascinating because Pittsburgh remade their secondary, and there's a good

2514
02:12:56,880 --> 02:12:59,720
Speaker 4: piece in the Athletic Today about how look they remade

2515
02:12:59,760 --> 02:13:02,200
Speaker 4: their secondary because you got to play the Bengals twice. Now,

2516
02:13:02,240 --> 02:13:04,760
Speaker 4: obviously it's not Burrow and Chase and Higgins, but it's

2517
02:13:04,800 --> 02:13:08,120
Speaker 4: still that remade Pittsburgh secondary, the secondary where Jalen Ramsey

2518
02:13:08,160 --> 02:13:10,880
Speaker 4: has been awesome, had two sacks last week, and so

2519
02:13:11,600 --> 02:13:14,880
Speaker 4: I think that matchup is going to be interesting right now.

2520
02:13:15,480 --> 02:13:17,760
Speaker 4: But what you wonder is is that going to be

2521
02:13:19,440 --> 02:13:25,520
Speaker 4: a bad matchup. Yeah, Jalen's just aggressive. Bad match up

2522
02:13:25,560 --> 02:13:28,360
Speaker 4: on a corner. Bad matchup.

2523
02:13:28,440 --> 02:13:30,160
Speaker 2: Wasn't a bad matchup in the Super Bowl when they

2524
02:13:30,400 --> 02:13:31,000
Speaker 2: torched him.

2525
02:13:31,440 --> 02:13:34,560
Speaker 4: When t Higgins like ripped his helmet off downfield pass

2526
02:13:35,120 --> 02:13:38,440
Speaker 4: a couplays that goes down as one of the five

2527
02:13:38,520 --> 02:13:41,520
Speaker 4: happiest moments in my life. Oh yeah, that is the

2528
02:13:41,640 --> 02:13:43,520
Speaker 4: first time that in that game that I entertained the

2529
02:13:43,560 --> 02:13:44,640
Speaker 4: possibility they may win.

2530
02:13:44,880 --> 02:13:45,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2531
02:13:46,040 --> 02:13:48,640
Speaker 2: How many times have you watched it since that play?

2532
02:13:49,200 --> 02:13:50,040
Speaker 2: The game?

2533
02:13:51,440 --> 02:13:51,600
Speaker 3: Never?

2534
02:13:52,000 --> 02:13:52,280
Speaker 2: Really?

2535
02:13:52,520 --> 02:13:54,160
Speaker 3: No, Oh my gosh.

2536
02:13:54,680 --> 02:13:57,360
Speaker 4: The only thing I've watched is because we had to

2537
02:13:57,440 --> 02:14:02,120
Speaker 4: talk about it was the last play. The last two.

2538
02:14:02,000 --> 02:14:04,560
Speaker 2: Plays I've watched it probably two hundred.

2539
02:14:04,480 --> 02:14:08,160
Speaker 4: And I watched the Logan Wilson penalty because you know,

2540
02:14:08,160 --> 02:14:10,640
Speaker 4: I wanted to talk about that, Like the individual plays,

2541
02:14:10,680 --> 02:14:12,360
Speaker 4: I wanted to talk about the day after the game,

2542
02:14:12,840 --> 02:14:15,120
Speaker 4: watch them. I've never watched the game. I've watched the

2543
02:14:15,160 --> 02:14:18,200
Speaker 4: halftime show. Wow, I've watched the pre games starting lineup,

2544
02:14:18,360 --> 02:14:21,320
Speaker 4: the Rock, watched all that. I don't really have much

2545
02:14:21,320 --> 02:14:24,880
Speaker 4: of an interest in reliving the game itself fascinating, but

2546
02:14:25,000 --> 02:14:27,360
Speaker 4: I do sometimes go back and look at my pictures

2547
02:14:28,080 --> 02:14:32,840
Speaker 4: from my experience broadcasting from Santa Monica next to an

2548
02:14:32,880 --> 02:14:33,560
Speaker 4: ice machine.

2549
02:14:33,640 --> 02:14:37,640
Speaker 2: May we never forget chested? May we never forget mo

2550
02:14:37,880 --> 02:14:39,520
Speaker 2: Thank you. We'll be listening to that matchup.

2551
02:14:39,760 --> 02:14:41,760
Speaker 4: Where's that dude's seafood boil?

2552
02:14:41,800 --> 02:14:42,160
Speaker 3: Where's that?

2553
02:14:42,880 --> 02:14:45,400
Speaker 2: I forget where he said? Can I show up at

2554
02:14:45,400 --> 02:14:47,520
Speaker 2: that too? Yeah, well I'll go back and listen to it.

2555
02:14:47,600 --> 02:14:48,320
Speaker 4: Soun's pretty good.

2556
02:14:48,440 --> 02:14:50,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I didn't know that was a thing,

2557
02:14:50,760 --> 02:14:54,120
Speaker 2: but apparently it is in Cincinnati, Thanks mon Cia.

2558
02:14:54,160 --> 02:14:55,440
Speaker 4: I don't know if it is in Cincinnati.

2559
02:14:55,560 --> 02:14:56,760
Speaker 2: It's that guy's.

2560
02:14:58,000 --> 02:14:58,839
Speaker 3: Tomorrow Tomorrow.

2561
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:00,520
Speaker 12: Here is next?

2562
02:15:00,680 --> 02:15:02,160
Speaker 2: On ESPN fifteen thirty.

2563
02:15:03,880 --> 02:15:07,000
Speaker 15: Wucky Cincinnati, Make us the number one preset on your

2564
02:15:07,040 --> 02:15:10,120
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02:15:10,240 --> 02:15:13,680
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