WEBVTT - 2-17-26 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:02.400 Do you want to be an American idiot? 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:06.600 Scott flown back on seven hundred WLW, something like one 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:10.320 in five homes now have a video doorbell. It's amazing 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:13.480 just how big this sector became and exploded after the 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:16.960 last number of years. Ring Doorbell has made big news 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:20.960 these past weeks with the Nancy Guthrie case and controversy 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:23.840 over their Super Bowl ad. There's backlash there that caused 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:28.320 them to rethink its technology on fears the surveillance society 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:30.479 and Big Brother just simply going too far on This 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:34.120 is the CEO of Vigilan Cybersecurity right here in Cincinnati. 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:36.520 That would be Chris niheis Chris, Welcome back, Hey you Ben. 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:39.440 Brother, Good morning, Scott. I've been great. How about you. 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:42.599 I'm doing fine. Thanks. I think you know there's an 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:46.040 overlaying topic here, but I'm the issue of cameras and 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:48.720 cameras all over the place. I think it's fascinating and 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:52.360 watching the Nancy Guthrie case and that we learned that 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:56.080 you can have an inactive subscription for Ring or Nesta 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:59.320 or whatever it might be, and the camera still is 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:03.320 recording in this case evidence that's shocking. 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:05.160 That is shocking. 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:08.600 Yeah, I think the the thing we have to realize 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:11.800 here is that, you know, the cameras themselves don't have 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:14.920 much storage on at all, almost nothing. So the only 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:19.199 way for this video to have been recaptured after two 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:22.520 weeks would be for it's to be stored somewhere. And 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:23.960 so I think the thing that we have to really 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:30.360 start to be aware of or think about is that subscriptions. 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:34.200 May mean that you don't have access to the video 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:35.280 or those files, but. 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:37.759 It doesn't mean someone else doesn't have access to those 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:38.520 videos or files. 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:42.759 Yeah, because I think cash Patel said they retrieved residual 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:46.560 data located in back end systems. There's two there's only 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:48.800 one person's conversation. You know what the hell that means, 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:49.760 and it's you, Chris. 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:54.880 Go ahead, right, So it could mean and more than 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:59.279 likely than not, is that they're backing up that video. 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:02.000 Because video when you when you don't have a subscription, 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:04.600 what it does is it just streams back to the provider, 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:07.360 so you can watch it through your app or get 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:11.400 an immediate alert on your phone. It's not supposed to 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:14.160 store it. But I think the way around that that 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:18.720 some companies can do, either intentionally or unintentionally is they 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:21.959 can do it under the aspect of a backup right 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:24.840 while we were just backing up the same systems, and 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:28.120 so that's how that file got there. So it's possible 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:30.400 that that's how they reached out how they access it. 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:33.760 Another aspect could be that they actually just store it 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:37.359 for a certain period of time and then they just 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:39.800 get rid of it, even though again you don't have 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:40.480 access to it. 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:42.280 Gives the subscription that they do. 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:46.519 Because it's in the cloud, and once it goes in 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:48.959 the cloud cloud, it's not your property or which makes 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:51.360 it an interesting case in a critical question on the 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:53.960 go three cases, we don't know if the FBI obtained 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:56.440 a warrant for that footage from the doorbell camera. So 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:58.720 do you know what the legal standards, I mean, what 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:01.280 should the legal standards would be for law enforcement to 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:04.280 access that data from smart home cameras? And and how 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:06.919 often they actually the companies pushing back on these requests. 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:09.600 I remember when it was came to unlocked locking Apple phone, 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:12.960 remember the iPhone, and Yeah, there was a big k like, hey, 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:14.160 we're not going to give you, We're not going to 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:16.280 lock that. Well, you know, we're trying to get terrorists 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:18.040 in this country that was years and years ago. But 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:21.400 this is an extension of the same argument. Are are 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:23.919 companies pushing back on requests that might be overly broad? 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:25.880 A lot of them do. 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:27.960 I mean, look at what Apple did in Europe. You know, 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:31.239 they said, hey, okay, you know Europe wanted to unencrypt 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:34.040 or have access to the encrypted that's a mess messages 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:36.320 because Apple is one of the ones that I would 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:39.280 say is one of the largest proponents for privacy, you know, 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:42.960 and their their systems work well. Uh, the encrypture works 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:46.560 so well that it pisses governments off. And in Europe 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:49.040 they basically said, hey, we're going to shut you down 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:52.800 unless you let us abass to And they said, okay, cool, 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:54.880 we'll just let all of it be open. We won't 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:57.200 even mess with you, and and and then they pushed 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.640 back and said, okay, don't do that Apple, right. So 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.480 I think where it comes down to is two data 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:06.920 two aspects. One is where we haven't continued to talk 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:10.320 about a conversation. Who actually owns data? 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:10.600 Right? 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:13.040 If if I have a camera that I pay for 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:17.000 and that records video or audio of my own or 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:20.240 even emails or whatever, who owns that data once it 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:23.880 goes into a different platform. And in the United States, 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:26.080 you know, you know, outside of the United States, it's 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:28.600 been legislated, right, you don't own the data. 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:28.880 Right. 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:30.919 That's why I like, you have countries that have some 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:34.040 of the largest surveillance states. Ever in the United States, 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:38.839 we've handed that over to private companies in our terms 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:39.480 and conditions. 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:40.719 You know, I've talked about this before. 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:42.640 No one reads their terms and conditions and they get 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:46.839 surprised when their data is accessed if you hand that 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:50.840 data over, and the terms the conditions say that that 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:55.160 provider can do that to a law enforcement agent or anybody. Well, 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:58.120 they don't need a warrant because you just gave rights 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:00.840 to that data, right. So it really comes back to 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:03.680 who owns that data and what's in the terms conditions 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:07.000 of the things we signed. And in most cases, we're 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:13.320 handing over our privacy for convenience. And you know, we'll 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:15.200 talk about the SUPERWL out here in a second, but 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:18.000 you know it's we do it out of compassion as well. 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:21.040 Yeah. Uh he is Chris and I High, CEO Cincinnati 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:23.880 based Vision and Cybersecurity. You're talking about the advent of 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:26.440 video doorbell cams, whether it's nast or Ring, whatever the 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:29.400 system is that you have, how it plays into the 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:32.400 gu three case here where the subscription was inactive and 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:34.320 there was still video because it's all in the cloud, 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:36.240 and the ceo, I think it was the CEO of 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:39.679 Ring told in an interview told the media The Guardian 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:42.400 that there's a very distinct, distinct and marked difference between 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:44.880 what you have access to and what the company has 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:45.400 access to. 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:49.839 What does that mean, right, I mean that's what the 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:52.560 company is. That is this start was talking before. Is 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:55.839 this difference between subscription and not when you when you 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:58.440 sign up for a subscription and the subscription says, hey, 0:05:58.480 --> 0:05:59.880 it's going to record the state of a thirty t 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:05.680 that's access. You're paying for access to your own data, right, 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:08.400 You're paying for access to see what happened a week ago. 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:12.520 Now that that organization can store that data for as 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:15.599 long as they want to unless it's clear in the 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:19.440 agreement with you, and in most cases these agreements are 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:21.240 not clear and in most cases people don't read them 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:23.640 at all. So at the end of the day, the 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:25.560 company can store that data for as long as they 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:28.320 want to, and in reality pretty much becomes there's in 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:29.240 a lot of cases. 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:29.359 Sure. 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:33.280 It makes sense. I mean, you know there's there's gonna 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:35.240 be things that simply the company can hang on. Do 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:37.599 you just wonder how easy it is for government to 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:39.920 get access to that information. Now, in this case, it's 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:42.760 needed because you're trying to find a you a missing 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:45.160 endangered person in the case of Nancy Guestry, but an 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:48.360 everyday walk of life it might be an entirely different story. 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:50.040 So you put these things, I mean I have them, 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:53.000 and you probably have security cameras as well. I tend 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:54.440 to err on the side of, hey, I've got the 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:56.880 information or if I need to know what happened or 0:06:56.920 --> 0:06:59.839 something's occurring, I can be alerted to it. I'm not 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:01.840 much in my private life that's going to warrant a 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:05.679 federal investigation. So not thinking about killing anybody or capturing 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:08.960 anybody anytime soon, So I think I'm covered. Is that 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:11.920 a false sense of security? 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:12.680 I think it is. 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:15.880 It is a false sense of security for a couple 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:19.440 of reasons. One, you don't have you know these things 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:21.960 are so set, and forget that you don't really know 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:23.640 when they're working when they're not. 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:27.080 The second part about it is is that you know. 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:31.840 This this would not have flown twenty years ago, right, 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:35.320 and this has just been something that's over time. People 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:37.560 have said, Okay, well I want convenience. My life is 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:41.640 too busy, too fast. Instead of installing my own security 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:43.480 system that I have that I have access to that 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:45.720 doesn't have to go to the cloud, you know, people 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:49.000 are going to these cloud providers and and you know, 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:52.080 there's there's all these different features and things that pop 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:56.680 up on these that connects your data to other people's data. 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:58.760 It gives access to it in different ways that you're 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:01.160 not you don't necessarily want, you know. I think if 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:03.960 a lot of us just read what the actual terms 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:07.080 conditions on some of these things say, you probably would 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:10.080 think twice about it. But again, most people don't have time. 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:12.040 They don't do it, they don't even have time to 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:15.720 do it. So it's it's it's pretty interesting, how you know, 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:18.960 we just are you know, our generation as a you know, 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:23.600 click next and as septs and go right because we 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:24.920 want something to go bad. 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:26.800 Well, cameras have been. And I think the thing too 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:28.760 is two things. First of all, the prevalence of the 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:30.560 Internet of Things, because there's just so many you know, 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:33.920 you can connect to a WI file, labor enabled toothbrush 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:35.679 or toaster. I mean, what do I need to a 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.240 toaster that took up the internet for? But it's cool, right, 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:41.120 And then the other element is, uh, the cameras have 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:43.440 become ubiquitous. You know, I'm old enough to remember when 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:45.600 you know videocam quarterers came out. It was a big deal. 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:48.680 But these were huge machines. And now, hell, there's one 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:51.240 on your the screen of your monitor, on your computer, 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:54.319 there's one on your you put one on your refrigerator, 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:56.880 I've got your doorbell. Kids, it's it's on your phone. 0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:59.520 You use it all the time. So if it's that prevalent, 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:01.400 you don't see it as a risk. You just see 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:04.880 it as something that's part of the fabric of modern life. 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:08.000 Right, Well, we'd be see our modern life, though, has 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:11.640 become one of this aspect of speed and can speed 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:14.079 to convenience? Right if I had if you and I 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:18.880 had this conversation in nineteen ninety five, right, and I said, hey, Scott, 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:21.760 you know we're going to go ahead and create a 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:25.360 website so that everybody is going to upload all of 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:29.760 their photos of extremely important events and even non important ones, 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:32.920 even the ones where you're emotionally, you know, walking through something, 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:35.880 whatever it is, we're going to be uploaded to a 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:38.200 website at that point. We're going to store those forever. 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:41.400 We're going to put a recording device in your home 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:45.079 and record literally everything you say, and we're going to 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:47.319 store that on servers. We're also going to put video 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:50.480 cameras up around every single home in the United States, 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:52.480 and we're going to record that as well. And we're 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:54.760 going to put all three of those things together. And 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:57.800 in fact, we're actually going to connect those devices together 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:02.800 so that they can share Internet bandwidth and we can 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:06.160 track devices as they move from device device. You would 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:09.480 be like, no way, right orbit, but now, but that's 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:11.560 exactly what I just described. You know, like we have 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:15.480 you know, all of your your your cameras now right, 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:17.720 there's just you know, people came up the sidewalk. It 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:21.120 was actually on by default, you know when it first 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:24.640 came out, where basically your device, if I have a 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:27.400 if I have a nest or a ring and my 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:28.480 neighbor has one. 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:30.360 Those can connect together on Bluetooth. 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:34.280 So what that does is it allows for people They 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:38.080 called it sidewalk, so people on your sidewalk could access 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:41.760 a very small bit of your network bandwidth. Well that 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:44.480 sounds cool, right, Oh man, I'm sharing with my neighbors 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:46.440 they're walking past. But when you look at how those 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:49.719 things work. You know, your your dog, right, good of 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:53.360 an RFID on it or or a device and and 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:56.200 yet right and as it's walking through, as you're walking 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:59.000 through the neighborhood, or your phone or whatever, all of 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:02.200 these devices connect to blouses right as you drive through, 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:05.120 so it can map where you go look at during COVID. 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:09.480 You know, we opened up who we interacted with right, 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:12.280 Like our devices, we could turn it on to see 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:16.040 who we had contact with during COVID, so that that 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:19.480 way it would map all those relationships, right and notify 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:23.199 people immediately if someone was in touch with someone ouse 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:25.760 at of COVID. And so it just goes back to 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:31.280 is that in the United States we choose surveillances, right, 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:34.079 whereas outside of the United States it's legislated. And I 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:37.120 think that should be something we really think about, right, 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:40.120 like why does it have to be legislated outside the 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:43.760 United States, and why is it chosen fire people in. 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:44.280 The United States? 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:46.600 A great question as a jumping off point here, Chris 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:49.640 and I heis's CEO of Cincinnati based Vigilant Cybersecurity, talking 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:52.360 about the Nancy Guthrie case with a ring doorbell that 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:55.120 was disconnected and they still able to get data. Ring 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:57.760 to a Super Bowl ad the showcase what they called 0:11:57.760 --> 0:11:59.520 search Party. We're kind of what we're talking about with 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:01.480 Apple Tech. Even though our Apple tag works basically it 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:05.000 does share if you're an Apple enabled household, for example, 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:07.320 that little tag that you put on your dog or luggage, 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:09.560 you need to be near Wi Fi for that to work. 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:11.800 And so if the dog's lost the neighborhood, somebody's going 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:15.520 to have part of that network. As part of Apple's network, 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:17.720 it's going to show, hey, the dog's over by this house, 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:20.160 which is really cool but also frightening as far as 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:22.960 tracking goes. Now Ring is taking us a step further 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:25.360 with Search Party. So you may have seen the adder 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:27.600 in the Super Bowl where it shows a dog that's 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:31.400 lost in the neighborhood. And now they're using facial recognition, 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:33.400 so you don't flock as the company that does the 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:36.240 automated license plate reader's police agency to using for a 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:39.760 long time, and now they do that with facial recognition, 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:42.560 and so now hey, it's the shape. This looks like 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:44.880 your dog, it looks like a Golden Retriever. It's its 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:48.080 facial features. It was seen a couple blocks away on 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:52.040 this Spring camera. They tie the network back in Are 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:54.080 you happy to see the backlash? It came from that 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:57.240 because people watching the Super Bowl ineborated drunk and eating 0:12:57.320 --> 0:13:01.400 piles of Wacamolean wings and ribs. Watch that one. Whoa, wha, whoa. 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:02.840 If you can do without a dog, you can do 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:05.720 it at a person. And the backlash was so huge 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:08.280 that Ring has pulled their deal with Flock for that, 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:10.040 right right. 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:12.440 I think it's part of the audience too, uh you know, 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:13.360 And you know. 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:15.440 I think that was probably the worst place for being 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:18.599 to put that out there first. But you know, the 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:21.679 at the end of the day, you know, it's you know, 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:26.960 it's a it just goes back to compassion, right, It's like, well, 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:29.240 I want my dog to be found. I want my 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:32.719 neighbor's dog to be found. Uh, you know, I want 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:36.280 my you know what the next step is, well, what 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:37.240 about missing kids? 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:38.120 What about you know? 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:40.520 And I and I'm you know, you know, I do 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:43.160 a lot of keeping trashing investigations things like that that 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:46.000 that's important to me, But I would not say that 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:49.280 we need to put you know, facial recognition all over 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:53.000 the place, uh access accessible to everybody at all times 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:56.199 to be able to see what's happening in a home, right, 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:59.319 Because there's there's there's good an evil in this world, right, 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:03.160 And the good part is the compassion part, right. The 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:05.960 bad part is the people that are going to use 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:08.640 that in evil ways, right. And I mean just just 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:11.520 look at what's happening with some of the f steam 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:14.800 file stuff, right, Like you're starting to see that some 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:17.080 of the people that ran some of these companies that 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:23.600 have access to pictures or images allegedly right of children, right, 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:28.800 and access to their addresses and all those things, and 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:30.680 then they did these other things right, So it's like, well, 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:32.680 what did you use what did that what did that 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:35.760 information get used for? And that's the thing you just 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:40.200 always have to think about, is that compassion is great, right, 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:42.200 and we need to have compassion, and we need to 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:44.960 do the right things to try to have compassion. We 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:47.920 need to watch out for our team, our neighbors or friends. 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:54.560 But you can't give up today for something that tomorrow 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:57.960 could be used in some bad ways. Right With the 0:14:58.000 --> 0:14:58.880 wrong people are there? 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:02.360 Yeah, and you know there's also you mentioned it earlier briefly, 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:05.320 but the consent question. So a lot of people bought 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:08.080 these devices to protect package deliveries. For example, what about 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:11.000 porch pirates or see, hey listen, somebodys are in my house, 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:13.600 or did I leave my garage door open and look? 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:14.240 Oh yeah I did. 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:14.960 Uh. 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:16.840 And now these cameras are part of a network and 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:20.000 be searched by aar access by law enforcement. So did 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:22.440 did consumers actually consent to that when they click degree 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:24.720 on the terms of service document that we don't read. 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:28.200 We'll do they do? Yeah, they do, they do. 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:31.680 And that's that's with anything you know, you put you know, 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:34.400 certain routers on your net, on your home wifie, you know, 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:38.160 or you put certain applications, certain technologies. Now, there's a 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:40.200 lot of technology out there that says, hey, we're not 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:41.960 going to surveil you at all and in our terms 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:45.240 and conditions right right, there's a lot of technology you 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:47.760 can buy, even for camera, you know, home camera systems 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:50.080 that don't send things out to the cloud, and if 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:52.440 they do, it's to a privatized place that only have 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:56.440 access to and it's encrypted. So it's just more as consumers, 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:59.560 you have to choose what you want. It just goes 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:01.840 back to the fact that we're a fast moving society 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:04.240 and we're not moving fast, you know. I think we're 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:08.360 moving faster towards convenience and faster towards innovation right now. 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:11.240 But I think but the other part of that is 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:14.840 we trade so much because we will go back and say, well, 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:18.560 I didn't have time to know, and you know, that's 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:21.160 a that's a that's the scary place for people that 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:23.440 you know can take advantage of that. 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:27.600 Yeah, final point on this bottom line for our listeners, Chris. 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:30.720 If someone owns one of these wireless doorbells or give 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:33.640 video doorbells, what should you do? And if you're considering 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:36.640 buying one, what what you ask the companies that maybe 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:38.000 they don't want to answer. How do you find that 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:40.080 information out what they're doing with this, and how much 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:41.200 time should you invest in that? 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:43.360 But I think the first thing is I would I 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:45.560 would just read the term subsistions first. Make sure you're 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:47.080 okay with it, because at the end of the day, 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:49.600 they're not going to change it for you, and you know, 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:50.840 so you're not gonna be able to call them up 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:53.200 and have a red line it or modify it, and 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:55.600 just know what you're giving up and just be okay 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:58.600 with that. I would also teach your kids this too, 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:02.200 because some of the apps that are targeting kids snaps, 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:06.919 things like that. You know, as far as consumers, they 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:10.280 they are wide open with privacy. And that's one of 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:13.840 the reasons why a lot of kids are targeted for 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:19.240 attacks around romance. They're targeted for relationships and things like 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:24.520 that because their generation is so used to everybody knowing everything, 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:27.199 even to the point where life three sixty. You know, 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:31.240 colleges people just share their their location all the time. 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:33.600 So I would say teach them as well, so that 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:36.560 they know because they're watching you, and they're watching you 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:39.840 entertain these privacy matters and they're going, oh, then this 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:42.280 is okay to not have any privacy, and I think 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:44.480 that's not a good thing to teach our kids. The 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:47.520 second thing is, you know, so first read those firms 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:51.640 conditions to teach your kids about that not everything needs 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:55.359 to be public. And then third, make sure that you 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:57.760 know if you if you don't want to have those 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:00.200 those things in your life, don't feel like you're you're 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.840 blocked in right. A lot of these technologies will say, well, 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:05.000 this is the only place to get it. Unless you 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:08.000 accept our terms, then you can't get anywhere else. And 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:10.720 that may be true, but don't give into that. Right 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:13.160 you know, if you if don't trade your privacy because 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:15.639 you're worried about something else, you can go out and 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:20.600 buy technologies that have in home systems that do exactly 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:23.600 the same stuff alert you the same way they'll do 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:26.360 recognition and it stores all the data in your home. 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:29.120 So I would just say, is pause in your life 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:33.440 and become a consumer that really makes the decisions that 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:35.960 you want, not the ones that you feel you have 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:36.239 to do. 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:36.720 Got it? 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:41.320 Chris Nihei, CEO of since Iva based Vigilant Cybersecurity, Thanks again, brother, 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:42.920 great information is always appreciated. 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:44.600 You gotta have a good damn well. 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:46.600 Check news at about five minutes here, very late as 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:49.160 that's going on. More fog burning off today and when 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:53.000 we continue the passing of A. Jesse Jackson at eighty four, 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:56.280 it's interesting how his hand has shaped civil rights and 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:59.280 it's not even recognizable today what that movement looks like. 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:01.680 People say, so right movement that really isn't it changed 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:04.600 a lot? And he had a hand in that and 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:07.000 kind of undermined his own his own cause. If you 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:08.919 will make sense of that coming up next more to 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:13.040 follow slowly seven hundred w with it. You know, the 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:18.760 problem with having a business model that is essentially driven 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:22.960 by attention and also a cause is if you make 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:27.720 tremendous inroads into solving that problem to the cause, then 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:30.480 you cease to exist. And this is true in many, 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:34.879 many organizations, so it's not exclusive to Well. In this case, 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:39.320 the Rainbow Coalition Jesse Jackson passing away yesterday at the 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:42.920 age of forty eighty four, life well lived, complicated legacy 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:47.639 depending on your worldview, for sure. And you know the 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:52.280 key hope of live rhetoric that he empowered empowered people, 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:53.960 and you know, you look at the positives. A Rainbow 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:56.879 Coalition essentially opened this big tent up before it was 0:19:56.920 --> 0:20:00.040 about the black experience and later in the a and 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:02.400 he's opened that up to include poor whites and Latinos 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:06.640 and women, LGBTQ individuals and those on the economic margins. 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:10.480 And so in that regard, it was head of its time. However, 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:12.639 you know, the idea was that you know, racism is 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:16.120 alive and well well you know, we saw the coronation 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:19.719 of a black president. Remember the iconic moment Jesse Jackson's 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:23.200 crying watching Obama speak and take the oath of office. 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:26.000 And so if you look at that, it's a lot 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:29.040 different than when Jesse Jackson was coming up, when you 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:33.080 had separate drinking fountains, when you had sundown laws, meaning 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:36.679 and even here in Cincinnati that was true too. There 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:38.840 are areas of town that you should not be in 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:42.520 if you were of color because you could be killed 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:46.800 or at the very least attacked, if not driven out. 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:50.120 Interracial dating, I mean that seems so long ago, right 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:53.080 that that was a huge taboo in America all alone, 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:57.720 the interracial marriages, and now it's very very commonplace. Hell, 0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:00.879 you know, Carde, you have TV shows and people at 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:02.840 all walks of life, and you know, the back of 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:04.440 that mantra, it's like, you know, if you're an adult, 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:05.280 you love who you love. 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:05.919 Uh. 0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:11.800 And that also extends to people who are LGBTQ. You know, 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:13.920 had Rosa parks a seat on the back of the bus. 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:17.159 Today and today the world leans into black culture. I mean, 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:19.680 if you watch the Olympics, it's it's kind of interesting. 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:23.960 You see people from all over the world who essentially 0:21:23.960 --> 0:21:28.440 have adopted to some degree hip hop culture. And and 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:30.879 that was unheard. You know, you could say, well, you know, 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:34.320 look at you know, black music and Elvis and the 0:21:34.359 --> 0:21:36.159 Blues and all that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but not to 0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:39.800 the level we see it today for sure. And and 0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:43.119 so is that, you know, part of that Jesse Jackson's legacy. 0:21:43.119 --> 0:21:44.440 I mean, I think he had a hand in there, 0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:47.320 for sure. But if you look at and I mentioned 0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:50.760 how if you do something long enough, successful at it, 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:52.639 you have to find a reason to keep going. 0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:53.800 You know. 0:21:54.040 --> 0:21:56.560 It's it's like you know, mother, it'd be like the 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:01.560 I don't know, maybe like Mother's against drunk driving to 0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:03.960 some degree. Is that you know, back in the day, 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:06.160 people used to drink and drive and the cop would go, okay, 0:22:06.200 --> 0:22:09.359 well i'll follow you home, or you know, hey, you know, 0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:11.320 we'll let you go. It's just a little, you know, 0:22:11.400 --> 0:22:14.200 a little cock eyed, and you know, people started dying, 0:22:14.240 --> 0:22:18.040 and certainly little kids were killed, and it rose this 0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:21.119 whole anti the drinking and driving, the whole culture right 0:22:21.240 --> 0:22:24.560 of designated drivers because of that. Now do people still drive, 0:22:24.600 --> 0:22:26.560 for oh absolutely, But it's not like it used to be. 0:22:26.600 --> 0:22:30.520 I think A better parallel would be smoking. You know, 0:22:30.560 --> 0:22:33.240 we have we won the war on smoking. Yes, yes, 0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:38.440 we have literally so few people smoke today it really 0:22:38.480 --> 0:22:41.680 is not significant compare to us. Hell, even in my lifetime, 0:22:41.920 --> 0:22:43.879 go back to the eighties and nineties for that matter. 0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:44.640 You know we have. 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:47.520 Vaping now, and vaping is well, you know you shouldn't 0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:49.800 have the same people are against it. We're against public 0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:52.240 smoking because the second hand smoker now after vapors, even 0:22:52.280 --> 0:22:56.040 though it's second hand steam, and it's just it's it's 0:22:56.080 --> 0:22:58.399 the appearance of smoke. It's not really smoke. And so 0:22:58.640 --> 0:23:01.879 in order to remain relevant, keep the funding coming, whether 0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:04.760 it's those groups or Jesse Jackson Rainbow Coalition, you have 0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:08.000 to exacerbated other problems. It's much worse today than it was. 0:23:08.000 --> 0:23:10.560 Why because it's more it's more underground. 0:23:10.400 --> 0:23:10.680 Is it. 0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:14.680 You know you can also say take a victory lap 0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:17.840 and said, you know, I've seen the world change in 0:23:17.880 --> 0:23:20.840 my lifetime for the better in that regard. But if 0:23:20.840 --> 0:23:23.280 you do that, then it undermines your cause, is the problem. 0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:26.920 And if you look at how the civil rights movement 0:23:26.960 --> 0:23:29.199 has changed, you know, the old model is hierarchical. It 0:23:29.240 --> 0:23:32.280 was preacher Centergy at King he had Jackson Ralph Abernethy 0:23:32.600 --> 0:23:36.399 preaching from the pulpit and they were charismatic and they 0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:39.080 spoke about the movement. Today it's it's much much different. 0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:40.040 You know. 0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:42.199 You look at maybe Black Lives Matter, which is very 0:23:42.200 --> 0:23:47.080 polarized and broken in some ways, in many ways, and 0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:50.040 it's deliberately it's leaderless by design. We saw that with 0:23:50.280 --> 0:23:53.440 what was it, the Occupy Wall Street movement back in 0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:56.240 the two thousands, and no one understood what was going 0:23:56.240 --> 0:23:58.000 on there. It's like we have there's no leadership and 0:23:58.040 --> 0:24:00.680 there's no no head of this. Well, how is that possible? 0:24:00.720 --> 0:24:04.160 And it's by design. It's a strength and a weakness. 0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:08.720 And you know, the Black church was the instigtional backbone 0:24:08.760 --> 0:24:10.600 of the civil rights movement when he was coming up, 0:24:11.359 --> 0:24:13.959 because it was the meeting hall, it was the fundraising, 0:24:14.000 --> 0:24:16.840 the moral authority. In today's it's much more secular because 0:24:16.840 --> 0:24:19.480 we have leaned away from church. Now are all young 0:24:19.520 --> 0:24:21.560 people doing that? No? No, no, we've seen a rise 0:24:21.640 --> 0:24:24.680 and how even the numbers for young people leaning into 0:24:24.680 --> 0:24:27.080 Catholicism an increased. But it's you know, they've got a 0:24:27.080 --> 0:24:28.760 long way to go to get back to the glory days. 0:24:28.760 --> 0:24:30.840 I don't think you're ever going to do that. Younger 0:24:30.880 --> 0:24:34.920 activists have less church and the energy is shifted away 0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:37.920 from the pulpit to social media rather than sanctuaries. That 0:24:38.080 --> 0:24:40.800 that's a huge structural shift are seeing today and have 0:24:40.920 --> 0:24:44.480 seen for a while now with the generation, certainly millennials, 0:24:44.520 --> 0:24:48.440 but especially Gen Zers and so, you know, a movement 0:24:48.480 --> 0:24:52.840 can go from zero to national and literally hours after 0:24:52.880 --> 0:24:56.040 a viral video. We didn't see that in the past. 0:24:56.040 --> 0:24:57.880 It took a while. If you look at the marches 0:24:57.920 --> 0:25:01.960 there's Selma, you know, burming Ham in the South that 0:25:02.160 --> 0:25:04.600 back then in the sixties, it took a lot of 0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:06.439 effort to get that many people together to get a 0:25:06.480 --> 0:25:09.080 motivated to go down there and create those marches. Now 0:25:09.160 --> 0:25:12.760 literally because of the Internet and because of viral videos. 0:25:13.080 --> 0:25:15.439 It because look at how long it took. I mean 0:25:15.440 --> 0:25:18.719 it took literally weeks to organize the movement from the 0:25:18.760 --> 0:25:21.960 north to bring people down in buses for the marches. 0:25:22.280 --> 0:25:24.840 Back in the sixties. That took a tremendous amount of 0:25:24.840 --> 0:25:27.840 effort and resources, time and money to get that all organized. 0:25:28.119 --> 0:25:30.560 You know, we saw the results of it in the marches, 0:25:30.640 --> 0:25:32.680 but you didn't see the work behind the scenes from 0:25:32.680 --> 0:25:36.120 people like Jesse Jackson others that mobilized from those church 0:25:36.160 --> 0:25:39.720 pulpits around the North and the Midwest and elsewhere to 0:25:39.720 --> 0:25:42.800 get people to go down there. Today you have you know, 0:25:42.840 --> 0:25:47.000 George Floyd for example, it literally started, the protesters started 0:25:47.040 --> 0:25:48.960 right or what's happening in Minnesota right now with Ice. 0:25:49.119 --> 0:25:51.560 You saw the protesters and you know, now you've got 0:25:51.600 --> 0:25:54.240 people flying in from all over the country right or wrong 0:25:54.280 --> 0:25:56.760 to take part in that whole thing. That's where that 0:25:56.920 --> 0:26:00.480 is today. So you know, it's not about the church anymore. 0:26:00.520 --> 0:26:03.440 It's more about the Internet, the church of the Internet. 0:26:03.960 --> 0:26:08.800 So you can make something because of viral videos transcend 0:26:08.840 --> 0:26:11.920 a lot faster. It's so volatile right now, you don't 0:26:11.960 --> 0:26:13.960 need to build the infrastructure that he did, and so 0:26:14.480 --> 0:26:18.359 you can flash mobilize millions, now, can you. I guess 0:26:18.359 --> 0:26:20.680 the other part is because of the foundation of this thing, 0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:23.720 because you're not starting with the bricks and building a 0:26:23.720 --> 0:26:27.360 pyramid up. What's happening is, yeah, you can flash mobilize 0:26:27.359 --> 0:26:31.200 millions of people, but does that movement then have any 0:26:31.240 --> 0:26:33.760 staying power because of our attention span. We're on the 0:26:33.760 --> 0:26:38.359 next thing, and you know, today's civil rights conversation is 0:26:38.520 --> 0:26:40.720 perspective of a white guy here, so take it for 0:26:40.800 --> 0:26:46.680 what it is. But today it's more intersectional than Jackson was, 0:26:46.720 --> 0:26:49.719 because now it's not just about race. They've also folded 0:26:49.720 --> 0:26:53.040 in gender and sexual orientation, now immigration and women and 0:26:53.280 --> 0:26:54.959 pretty much anyone with the beef. And that's why if 0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:56.879 you're older like me, you look at it and go, okay, 0:26:57.480 --> 0:26:59.239 you see some sort of rally or you see some 0:26:59.280 --> 0:27:02.520 sort of protest, and there's all these different signs out there. 0:27:04.080 --> 0:27:07.159 What are you protesting? This isn't about the core of 0:27:07.160 --> 0:27:08.879 it with civil rights, but you knew it was with 0:27:08.880 --> 0:27:11.680 the black experience, and it was about Jim Crow laws, 0:27:11.720 --> 0:27:13.560 and it was about all of these things I mentioned 0:27:14.240 --> 0:27:18.600 in trying to treat an individual under the Constitution like 0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:22.280 anyone else regards to their skin color. Right, that's the 0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:25.240 central theme of his speeches of king speeches anyway, and 0:27:25.520 --> 0:27:29.240 Jesse Jackson today and now today it's much much different. 0:27:29.320 --> 0:27:31.200 Like it's confusing if you're older to look at it, 0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:34.080 go okay, Well, you've got you've got people of collar, 0:27:34.160 --> 0:27:37.440 you've got latinos, you've got LATINX whatever that is that 0:27:37.760 --> 0:27:41.280 you have LGBTQ, plus you have all these agrieved parties 0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:43.680 and it looks like it's his mishmash of just people 0:27:43.680 --> 0:27:45.840 are pissed off of the world. But that's the thing is, 0:27:46.320 --> 0:27:49.159 you know, today it's my group. Tomorrow I'll be there 0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:51.119 supporting your group, kind of like a union. You know, 0:27:51.520 --> 0:27:53.320 one goes on stright, they I'll go on strike. It's 0:27:53.359 --> 0:27:56.880 it's kind of the same feel where it is now 0:27:56.960 --> 0:28:00.320 the power of all those micro groups out that are 0:28:00.400 --> 0:28:02.320 leaning in together, which is why it looks, you know, 0:28:02.520 --> 0:28:04.200 the problem is like why all these people out there, 0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:07.679 whether it's you know, Black Lives Matter, or what's happening 0:28:07.760 --> 0:28:10.399 with ice the outfield, or I don't know, it has 0:28:10.440 --> 0:28:12.679 to do with you know, gay and lesbian issues for 0:28:12.720 --> 0:28:16.919 that matter. And after twenty twenty, after George Floyd, that 0:28:17.000 --> 0:28:19.240 was a turning point too for DEI, and of course 0:28:19.240 --> 0:28:21.960 everyone leaned into that. And now, as always, the pendulum 0:28:22.000 --> 0:28:23.399 swings back the other way, going, hey, you know, we 0:28:23.440 --> 0:28:25.679 went too far with this stuff, and rightly so, and 0:28:25.720 --> 0:28:27.520 we probably will swing back the other way at some 0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:29.760 point as well. That's just how America is. We're kind 0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:32.080 of fickle in that regard. So you know, at the 0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:33.920 time and back in the day when he was coming 0:28:34.000 --> 0:28:36.240 up and he witnessed I mean, he was there for 0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:38.720 the assassination of Martin Luther King Junior. He was on 0:28:38.760 --> 0:28:42.200 the balcony at the Lorraine Hotel. And that is much 0:28:42.280 --> 0:28:44.720 different that we're seeing today. You know, he was just 0:28:45.160 --> 0:28:48.000 fighting for access to voting and jobs and education. Today 0:28:48.040 --> 0:28:50.120 it's not just about inclusion. It's not just about to 0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:54.160 see the table. It's about you know, defunding police, abolishing 0:28:54.160 --> 0:28:57.760 police reparations and all of these radical clauses and things 0:28:57.760 --> 0:29:00.440 that a number of groups are leaning in too. But 0:29:00.560 --> 0:29:02.960 I think that's a confusing part as younger people get 0:29:02.960 --> 0:29:04.600 that if you're older, you just don't. And that's the 0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:08.560 way the world works for sure. And I think voting 0:29:08.640 --> 0:29:11.440 rights it's critically I'll look at what we're doing with 0:29:11.480 --> 0:29:15.320 the say of America Act, right, that is still a 0:29:15.360 --> 0:29:17.800 central line through all this stuff. So I don't know, 0:29:17.800 --> 0:29:20.000 you can say what you will about that. People will 0:29:20.000 --> 0:29:22.040 still be complaining and protesting. And that's the way the 0:29:22.080 --> 0:29:23.760 world works here in America anyway, because we have that 0:29:23.840 --> 0:29:26.800 right to do it. But you know, Jesse Jackson, again, 0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:28.920 I think at the end of life, probably you know, 0:29:29.080 --> 0:29:31.160 trying to keep trying to keep his movement going, but 0:29:31.200 --> 0:29:33.560 it's been surpassed by what I just described here, and 0:29:33.600 --> 0:29:36.719 so you have become neutered or irrelevant I suppose compared 0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:38.760 to It doesn't mean, you know, you can't look back 0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:40.560 and these groups can't go back and go, Okay, well 0:29:40.560 --> 0:29:43.280 he got us to this point. Uh, and we have 0:29:43.360 --> 0:29:45.760 now taken that movement over. But you know that that's 0:29:46.040 --> 0:29:49.880 yesterday's news, so to speak. So like any organization, uh, 0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:54.120 if you're successful, you really can't admit it. And at 0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:56.160 the same time, you know you have to continue to 0:29:56.240 --> 0:29:59.560 exist because of the infrastructure that's in place today. It's 0:29:59.640 --> 0:30:02.920 much it's all online giving and you know, go fundmes 0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:05.200 and everything else in it, but it doesn't have the 0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:07.840 I guess it just doesn't have the infrastructure that a 0:30:07.880 --> 0:30:11.280 group like a Rainbow Push ad where it literally started 0:30:11.280 --> 0:30:14.080 as a grassroots effort. Today's grassroots are much different. It's 0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:15.560 all driven by the Internet, and then you're out of 0:30:15.600 --> 0:30:17.400 the next thing. And it's not good or bad. It's 0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:20.240 not a judgment. It's just the way things are because 0:30:20.280 --> 0:30:22.560 back then you had this legitimate infrastry and you've got 0:30:22.600 --> 0:30:24.160 to feed that system. You know, the money's got to 0:30:24.200 --> 0:30:25.360 trickle back down to the bottom. 0:30:25.360 --> 0:30:25.640 Today. 0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:27.760 It's you know, you can just pay someone directly or 0:30:27.760 --> 0:30:30.080 pay a cause directly, and so it goes, so it goes. 0:30:30.120 --> 0:30:33.120 So anyway, Jesse Jackson passing at the age eighty four, 0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:37.000 and I think he'd been sick for a while. If 0:30:37.040 --> 0:30:42.080 I'm not mistaken, I believe so. Yeah, So we have 0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:45.520 the searcher in Nancy Guthrie entering its third week. We're 0:30:45.520 --> 0:30:47.920 in a week three of this thing right now, and she, 0:30:48.040 --> 0:30:51.280 of course disappeared from her home sixteen days ago. FBI 0:30:51.400 --> 0:30:54.160 has doubled the reward to one hundred thousand dollars. I said, 0:30:54.200 --> 0:30:57.640 did you see the video of Savannah Guthrie? She ristled 0:30:57.680 --> 0:30:59.720 a no video this weekend. I think she's like doing 0:30:59.720 --> 0:31:01.800 one week maybe, and it was a two week mark 0:31:01.840 --> 0:31:05.160 since her mother's disappearance. And I want to circle back 0:31:05.200 --> 0:31:07.920 on that thing, because you could there's an express if 0:31:08.800 --> 0:31:10.640 maybe if you you know, if you are heavily into 0:31:10.680 --> 0:31:13.720 social media or you know, in my case, you know 0:31:13.760 --> 0:31:15.880 you're in media and you follow these things in news 0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:19.320 cycles and things like that. It's it's really interesting what 0:31:19.680 --> 0:31:22.320 her eyes and her body language was saying in that 0:31:22.400 --> 0:31:24.800 video that her mouth wasn't. I'll circle back on that 0:31:24.840 --> 0:31:27.120 in just a second. But the latest is they found 0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:29.200 this glove with the DNA profile. I'm really not that new, 0:31:29.240 --> 0:31:32.000 but there are trace evidence of DNA in that thing, 0:31:32.560 --> 0:31:36.000 and it looks like the pair that was worn by 0:31:36.120 --> 0:31:39.760 the individual and surveillance video on that camera outside Nanty 0:31:39.840 --> 0:31:42.320 Guthrie's home when she disappeared, and the timeline works with 0:31:42.360 --> 0:31:45.440 this thing. Although a lot of experts say, well, it 0:31:45.440 --> 0:31:46.840 was a mile and a half away. I sawn on 0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:49.120 the side of the road. There's a lot of trash 0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:52.280 on roadsides. Does it mean that that glove even though 0:31:52.280 --> 0:31:53.880 it looked like it was the one that guy was wearing. 0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:56.640 There's blackbird rubber goes you probably you know it's probably 0:31:56.640 --> 0:31:58.480 one of those hidden plane side things. Is you don't 0:31:58.520 --> 0:32:02.240 notice it until you see one that probably all over 0:32:02.280 --> 0:32:04.520 you just never notice them because they're e in food 0:32:04.560 --> 0:32:08.440 services and pretty much everything else. They're aubiquitous. Whether or 0:32:08.440 --> 0:32:11.360 not that DNA is tied to the individual we saw 0:32:11.360 --> 0:32:14.320 in the video or those responsible disappearance yet to be determined. 0:32:14.360 --> 0:32:16.680 And how usable is that DNA that's the other question. 0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:21.160 The sheriff yesterday, Chris Nanos came out and said the 0:32:21.160 --> 0:32:24.720 Guthrie family, including siblings, spouses, extended, failed me. Everyone has 0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:27.920 been cleared as possible suspects, and they've been nothing but 0:32:28.120 --> 0:32:30.760 cooperative and graciously said that they are the true victims 0:32:30.760 --> 0:32:33.640 in this case. And sometimes we forget we're human. We 0:32:33.760 --> 0:32:36.440 hurt and kindness matters, and we got to stand up 0:32:36.440 --> 0:32:38.000 and be the voice for our victims. If I'm not 0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:40.160 going to sit in silence when others are attacking the innocent. 0:32:40.240 --> 0:32:44.680 Isn't that what the badge represents? Well, said sir not 0:32:44.760 --> 0:32:47.320 on is it wrong? It's cruel, But we also have 0:32:47.400 --> 0:32:49.760 human nature and I'll bring this back real quick too. 0:32:50.960 --> 0:32:52.880 When the when the when we had the big mac 0:32:52.920 --> 0:32:56.280 bridge fire and we caught a lot of heat. I 0:32:56.360 --> 0:32:58.400 caught a lot of heat from people saying, well, why 0:32:58.400 --> 0:33:00.360 are you throwing homeless people under the bus. It wasn't 0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:02.360 throw homeless people of the bus. How do you solve 0:33:02.400 --> 0:33:04.760 an investment? How you start an investigation? It starts with 0:33:04.800 --> 0:33:09.280 the people closest to where the crime occurred. You know, 0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:12.080 if if the if the bridge is on fire, bridge 0:33:12.080 --> 0:33:13.960 burns away saw the video like, okay, who do you 0:33:14.040 --> 0:33:16.680 talk to? Do you talk to people in Blue Ash. 0:33:16.720 --> 0:33:19.120 Do you talk to people in the central business district? 0:33:19.400 --> 0:33:23.600 Do you start canvassing northside? Do who's around the middle 0:33:23.640 --> 0:33:27.120 of the night under bridges? Homeless people? You start the 0:33:27.160 --> 0:33:31.560 investigation there and it could very well be someone who 0:33:31.680 --> 0:33:35.160 was homeless, or if you're homeless and you're around there 0:33:35.160 --> 0:33:37.360 and maybe you saw something so of course that it's 0:33:37.360 --> 0:33:40.000 not beating, it's not punching down, and it's you know, 0:33:40.160 --> 0:33:43.840 speaking of the interwebs, you know, the activist revolution out there. No, 0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:47.040 that's where you would start an investigation, naturally, the bridge people, 0:33:47.400 --> 0:33:50.120 you know. I guess if something like this happened on 0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:54.120 rail lines, you'd probably talk to people who work along 0:33:54.120 --> 0:33:56.680 the rails. You talk to conductors and engineers. I don't 0:33:56.680 --> 0:33:58.640 know if there's still hobos, if that's a thing or not, 0:33:58.760 --> 0:34:02.720 but maybe that would be a good place to start, right, 0:34:03.640 --> 0:34:06.760 same thing here with the Nancy Guthrie disappearance. You start 0:34:06.800 --> 0:34:09.280 with the family. Usually ninety nine times of one hundreds 0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:12.160 of people closest to them, you start with family, friends, 0:34:12.160 --> 0:34:14.399 known associate. It's the last person they made contact with. 0:34:14.480 --> 0:34:16.799 Those are always the first people that they would talk 0:34:16.840 --> 0:34:19.480 to and either rule and rule out his subs of suspects, 0:34:19.480 --> 0:34:21.440 and so that makes sense. But I'm glad he came 0:34:21.480 --> 0:34:24.759 out and said, okay, enough of the armchair. You know, 0:34:24.840 --> 0:34:27.920 podcasters trying to figure out who done it when you 0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:30.120 don't have the information and evidence that we have we 0:34:30.160 --> 0:34:32.360 haven't released yet. Is also part of the problem, is 0:34:32.440 --> 0:34:34.799 we just don't have the information the FBI and local 0:34:34.840 --> 0:34:37.520 authorities have. It's just saying, okay, enough already, we've ruled 0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:41.120 them out. It's not any of the family members. Quit 0:34:41.160 --> 0:34:44.040 beating these people up. I mentioned Savannah Guthrie as part 0:34:44.040 --> 0:34:46.160 of that as well, at she has suspect in this well, 0:34:46.160 --> 0:34:49.160 of course not, but her eyes, in her body language 0:34:49.160 --> 0:34:51.279 it told me something because she is a journalist and 0:34:51.320 --> 0:34:55.000 she understands a news cycle. And what I saw in 0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:58.680 her mannerisms, in her eyes, not her words, told me 0:34:58.719 --> 0:35:00.399 a lot. It's like she put, this is the last 0:35:00.480 --> 0:35:03.120 videot on Sunday, knowing that this may be it in 0:35:03.160 --> 0:35:06.640 a sense, is that we're going to lose interest this week, 0:35:06.960 --> 0:35:10.160 and then Nancy Guthrie case barring. You know, nothing happening 0:35:10.160 --> 0:35:13.279 news wise, but the news cycle always produces something that's 0:35:13.320 --> 0:35:17.200 more gripping and relevant and interesting, and it's sad but 0:35:17.239 --> 0:35:20.120 it's true. We can only focus on one issue at 0:35:20.120 --> 0:35:22.560 a time, one atrocity at a time, and if something 0:35:22.600 --> 0:35:26.400 pops this week, that'll push this off the front page. 0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:28.360 You know, you're coming trying to come with new angles. 0:35:28.400 --> 0:35:31.279 There's really nothing there. We'll be interested with something else 0:35:31.280 --> 0:35:33.640 which hurts them, because you need the public engage in 0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:35.759 order to solve this thing. And I think I think 0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:38.359 you know, certainly Savannah knew that and watched his video 0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:41.799 go she kind of knows, like, we've got to get 0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:43.600 this thing done in the next couple hours here, a 0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:46.319 couple of days, because the public interests can start to 0:35:46.320 --> 0:35:48.080 find in the media is going to move on and 0:35:48.239 --> 0:35:49.799 social media is going to move on for that matter. 0:35:50.120 --> 0:35:50.839 That's just how it works. 0:35:50.880 --> 0:35:51.120 Anyway. 0:35:51.120 --> 0:35:54.160 I got to get a news update in and coming up. 0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:57.719 At ten oh six this morning. Greg Lawson's here Buckeye Institute. 0:35:57.800 --> 0:36:01.360 He was testifying in front of the legislator about improving 0:36:01.360 --> 0:36:04.560 our energy pause we debate AI and data centers and 0:36:04.600 --> 0:36:08.440 all this stuff and advanced manufacturing. The load on our 0:36:08.800 --> 0:36:10.719 power bill for just me and you, it's going through 0:36:10.719 --> 0:36:12.480 the roof and it's not going to stop anytime soon. 0:36:12.840 --> 0:36:15.200 How much can Columbus help us in that regard. He's 0:36:15.239 --> 0:36:16.799 next on the show on the Home of the Red 0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:18.520 seven hundred WWD Cincinnati. 0:36:18.640 --> 0:36:20.920 I don't want to be an American idiot. 0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:24.560 Got flowing back on seven hundred w welw so E. 0:36:24.560 --> 0:36:27.400 Electricity demand. We cannot talk enough about it on the 0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:30.640 show simply because we are getting We're gonna get squeez 0:36:30.680 --> 0:36:31.480 We're getting squeezed. 0:36:31.480 --> 0:36:31.680 Now. 0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:34.400 You know, your electric rates are going up, and that 0:36:34.520 --> 0:36:37.880 is because of just an incredible amount of demand, and 0:36:37.920 --> 0:36:39.960 that is going to get worse because of the rise 0:36:40.000 --> 0:36:42.160 of data centers. So you got AI, you got EV's, 0:36:42.160 --> 0:36:44.280 you got Crypto, you got all these things. And Ohio 0:36:44.400 --> 0:36:46.880 right now is we're top five in the country. We 0:36:46.920 --> 0:36:50.520 want to be number one and well positioned to have 0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:54.640 a huge role as being an energy energy contributor. And 0:36:54.680 --> 0:36:57.279 we've had legislative reforms that have helped with as well. 0:36:57.280 --> 0:37:00.120 But there's also the local battles across the state on 0:37:00.160 --> 0:37:01.919 how to live with these giant facilities matter of factor 0:37:01.920 --> 0:37:03.920 tomorrow and have somebody down from Adams County who's who's 0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:07.560 fighting the data centers out there? But every area has 0:37:07.640 --> 0:37:11.080 a battle over data centers. We Cincinnati put a moratorium 0:37:11.080 --> 0:37:13.919 on him, just because it's so new and it's coming 0:37:13.960 --> 0:37:15.839 at us so fast. We need to kind of pump 0:37:15.880 --> 0:37:18.799 the brakes and say, okay, what are the guidelines here. 0:37:18.800 --> 0:37:22.080 We need to have some bumpers on the edges, if 0:37:22.120 --> 0:37:24.600 you will, kind of like you know, bowling for little kids. 0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:27.560 You got to put some bumpers up because we don't 0:37:27.600 --> 0:37:29.600 know where this is going. We do know what's a huge, 0:37:29.760 --> 0:37:34.319 huge energy suck which drives prices up so on. That 0:37:34.440 --> 0:37:37.480 is Greg Lawson, our buddy from Buckeye Institute in Columbus, 0:37:37.480 --> 0:37:40.359 who recently testified in front of the state legislature on this. Greg, 0:37:40.400 --> 0:37:40.799 welcome back. 0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:43.560 Are you doing great? Wonderful to be on. 0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:45.479 Yeah, I don't think I can, and I have talked 0:37:45.480 --> 0:37:47.359 a lot of that talk about this enough because this 0:37:47.440 --> 0:37:51.080 affects every person listening, and this is the future of 0:37:51.120 --> 0:37:54.239 what energy consumption and demand is going to look like 0:37:54.239 --> 0:37:55.640 here in the state. We've got to get it right 0:37:55.680 --> 0:37:56.280 from the jump. 0:37:57.560 --> 0:37:59.880 We absolutely do. It's one of the most important issues 0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:02.760 we face, the data center issue. There's a lot of 0:38:02.960 --> 0:38:05.120 you know, there's a lot of different aspects that including 0:38:05.160 --> 0:38:08.479 all the local issues and concerns. I also point out 0:38:08.800 --> 0:38:11.440 as I, as I testified actually to the State Senate 0:38:11.840 --> 0:38:15.600 Committee last week. You know, AI and data centers isn't 0:38:15.640 --> 0:38:18.480 just about jobs and economic development, although that is certainly 0:38:18.600 --> 0:38:21.920 a portion of it. It's now a national security issue. 0:38:21.960 --> 0:38:24.160 I mean, we're kind of talking, you could be a 0:38:24.160 --> 0:38:26.560 little high fallute with the rhetoric, but basically this is 0:38:26.640 --> 0:38:29.160 kind of like a Sputnik moment because we've got competition 0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:32.799 with China. So there is literally national security implications that 0:38:32.840 --> 0:38:36.320 are very much interpligned with this that cannot be ignored, 0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:38.279 and I think we need to kind of keep that 0:38:38.400 --> 0:38:40.920 uppermost in my mind where we're talking about, you know, 0:38:41.000 --> 0:38:43.480 some of the how we apply bumpers and things like 0:38:43.520 --> 0:38:46.600 that right as well. But energy lies at the core 0:38:46.680 --> 0:38:50.720 of that too, because as of right now, data centers 0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:56.360 are ravenous. They consume electricity as much as some smaller 0:38:56.480 --> 0:39:00.960 cities do. And the amount of increase that this is 0:39:01.000 --> 0:39:03.840 putting in, the stress it's putting on the overall electric 0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:07.759 grid is very real, and it is costing consumers obviously, 0:39:07.960 --> 0:39:10.400 and that's one of the things that contributes to so 0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:12.760 much of the backlash. So we need to get generation 0:39:13.000 --> 0:39:15.520 up and running, We need to get more of it built. 0:39:16.160 --> 0:39:18.120 We're going to need to work on transmission as well, 0:39:18.160 --> 0:39:19.719 which is the second piece of the puzzle when it 0:39:19.800 --> 0:39:23.480 comes to energy. But Ohio has done some good stuff. 0:39:23.520 --> 0:39:26.600 They passed two big bills last year that the governor 0:39:26.640 --> 0:39:29.680 assigned that is going to I think, really help and 0:39:29.719 --> 0:39:33.640 you're already seeing capital investment in energy happening as a 0:39:33.640 --> 0:39:37.120 result of that. But we need to be smarter about it. 0:39:37.120 --> 0:39:39.120 That's what I was satisfying about with the Senate Energy 0:39:39.120 --> 0:39:42.520 Committee last week. We need to make sure that as 0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:47.319 we're citing new sources of electricity generation that we're really 0:39:47.320 --> 0:39:50.759 looking at a number of different factories. But critically, we 0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:53.800 need cheap energy because there's going to be so much demand, 0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:57.279 and we need reliable energy, and I think that's something 0:39:57.280 --> 0:39:59.280 that a lot of times people don't think enough about. 0:40:00.480 --> 0:40:02.480 You need it to run all the time. You need 0:40:02.520 --> 0:40:05.720 what they call baseload generation that can't doesn't go off. 0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:09.160 And this is where some of the concerns. You renewables 0:40:09.239 --> 0:40:12.120 have a role to play, but there is some concern 0:40:12.160 --> 0:40:14.840 about how they operate in terms of being able to 0:40:14.880 --> 0:40:17.960 always be on and work in that way. So we 0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:20.719 need to make sure that when we're citing stuff. We're 0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:26.480 being sure that the state policy is it's cheap, it's reliable. 0:40:26.800 --> 0:40:29.200 Oh and by the way, hopefully you don't have within 0:40:29.200 --> 0:40:31.879 your supply chain a bunch of stuff from foreign adversary nation. 0:40:32.480 --> 0:40:34.919 Well that's the thing is China's pushing AI super hard. 0:40:34.960 --> 0:40:37.080 As we know in Edward a battle, a spot Nick battle, 0:40:37.080 --> 0:40:39.400 if youel Moon mission type of battle as Kennedy did 0:40:39.480 --> 0:40:44.080 nine nineteen sixties. During your testimony, Greg Lawson from Buckeye Institute, 0:40:44.120 --> 0:40:47.480 you said data centers will consume ten percent of US 0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:50.560 electricity by twenty thirty, So in four years it's going 0:40:50.600 --> 0:40:52.319 to be about ten percent of the pie. That number 0:40:52.400 --> 0:40:55.120 is going to continue to grow year over year. And 0:40:55.160 --> 0:40:57.439 so what are the implications if we just don't meet 0:40:57.440 --> 0:40:59.640 that demand here in Ohio? I throw you know, your 0:40:59.680 --> 0:41:01.959 bucket and stupid. I feel Kentucky and Indiana there as well. 0:41:02.080 --> 0:41:06.680 If we don't meet that demand, which competitors could capture 0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:07.840 that economic opportunity? 0:41:07.880 --> 0:41:07.920 This? 0:41:08.040 --> 0:41:09.880 Where would it go? Somebody's going to pick. 0:41:09.760 --> 0:41:12.440 Up on it? Well, I think so. I think you're 0:41:12.480 --> 0:41:15.640 going to see other states obviously trying to take advantage 0:41:15.640 --> 0:41:17.719 of it. I think Ohio is well positioned for a 0:41:17.719 --> 0:41:21.040 lot of reasons to really take advantage of the data 0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:25.320 center world. You know, we have a uniquely qualified workforce, 0:41:25.440 --> 0:41:29.120 I think, both in terms of the trades and things 0:41:29.120 --> 0:41:31.880 like that that are used to build these things, but 0:41:32.000 --> 0:41:35.759 also some of the tech workforce and the myriad of 0:41:35.840 --> 0:41:38.880 both universities and in particular community colleges that do a 0:41:38.920 --> 0:41:41.239 lot of workforce training. So I think Ohio is very 0:41:41.239 --> 0:41:43.480 well positioned. So it would be kind of unfortunate to 0:41:43.480 --> 0:41:45.920 see that going to other states. But one thing that 0:41:45.960 --> 0:41:48.600 worries me is if we don't get energy policy right 0:41:49.400 --> 0:41:53.239 in Ohio for sure, but broadly speaking, you know, we 0:41:53.280 --> 0:41:55.880 could see a lot of hurdles continue to get erected 0:41:55.920 --> 0:41:58.680 to these things, and if that were to happen, that 0:41:58.760 --> 0:42:01.520 again ties back into this overall competition we were talking 0:42:01.560 --> 0:42:05.160 about China. We're not you know, America is not preordained 0:42:05.200 --> 0:42:08.120 to win this competition. Just because we won the last 0:42:08.160 --> 0:42:11.680 Cold War doesn't inherently mean that you're preordained to win 0:42:11.719 --> 0:42:13.960 this one. You got to work for it, and that's 0:42:13.960 --> 0:42:16.040 something that we really need to do. So I think 0:42:16.080 --> 0:42:18.880 that Ohio has a unique role to play because of 0:42:18.920 --> 0:42:20.880 how much demand there is right now and how many 0:42:20.960 --> 0:42:24.320 data centers are coming into Ohio. But we need to 0:42:24.360 --> 0:42:26.279 be a leader, a leader that other states can look 0:42:26.320 --> 0:42:28.640 at as well, because there's going to be frankly more 0:42:28.640 --> 0:42:31.360 than enough to go around for many states. Okay, we 0:42:31.400 --> 0:42:33.520 get this wrong, it's going to be a real problem. 0:42:33.520 --> 0:42:35.680 And I think as we don't understand, I don't understand 0:42:35.920 --> 0:42:39.200 the China comparison. Can you elaborate on how China's current 0:42:39.280 --> 0:42:42.840 energy production capacities stacks up against us here in Ohio, 0:42:43.320 --> 0:42:46.440 in the Midwest and the United States, and specifically how 0:42:46.480 --> 0:42:49.800 their approach to powering AI development differs from ours. 0:42:50.600 --> 0:42:53.320 Sure, basically they have it all of the above approach. 0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:55.879 You hear a lot of folks. They're one of the lead. 0:42:55.920 --> 0:42:58.560 They are the world's leader in renewables, that's true. They're 0:42:58.560 --> 0:43:01.120 also the world leader in coal, and they're building nuclear 0:43:01.160 --> 0:43:04.360 power plants on a regular basis too. Their energy production 0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:08.439 is vastly outstrips right now what the United States is doing. 0:43:09.280 --> 0:43:11.600 And I think part of that is because you know, 0:43:11.600 --> 0:43:14.799 they're a command to control economy. They don't have some 0:43:14.880 --> 0:43:17.920 of the local constraints, some of the regulatory constraints that 0:43:17.960 --> 0:43:20.960 their regime says now shall go build, they go They 0:43:21.000 --> 0:43:23.879 do it. They don't have environmental impact statements that could 0:43:23.880 --> 0:43:26.520 take years, you know, to work through. They don't have 0:43:26.560 --> 0:43:29.560 the same kind of litigiousness in terms of legal issues 0:43:29.560 --> 0:43:33.200 that can sometimes steiny projects and stuff like that. So 0:43:33.239 --> 0:43:37.000 they are really just pedal to the metal. And you know, 0:43:37.040 --> 0:43:38.920 I don't think America has to go and do all 0:43:38.960 --> 0:43:40.880 of that, but we do need to cut through some 0:43:40.960 --> 0:43:43.960 of the red tape and things that do create delays, 0:43:44.239 --> 0:43:46.480 and we need to get a lot better again with 0:43:46.600 --> 0:43:49.000 the energy production. The problem that America kind of faces 0:43:49.120 --> 0:43:51.960 is up until recently, with the rise of data centers, 0:43:52.680 --> 0:43:55.720 we had fairly flat demand. It was very limited growth 0:43:56.040 --> 0:43:59.080 in terms of the generation. We were actually doing really 0:43:59.080 --> 0:44:02.760 well even in reducing greenhouse gas emissions, you know, because 0:44:02.880 --> 0:44:05.200 that we were seeing natural gas come online, which was 0:44:05.200 --> 0:44:08.080 somewhat cleaner than coal. Coal still had some role. Nuclear 0:44:08.120 --> 0:44:11.040 is still a big poor portion of the portfolio, and 0:44:11.080 --> 0:44:13.040 we were seeing that, but we weren't necessarily building as 0:44:13.120 --> 0:44:15.760 much because the demand wasn't there. Now, all of a sudden, 0:44:15.960 --> 0:44:18.880 we're seeing this dramatic spike in a very short period 0:44:18.880 --> 0:44:21.680 of time, and I think that's what's really making everybody 0:44:21.719 --> 0:44:24.040 kind of run around. Not a policy standpoint and say 0:44:24.360 --> 0:44:26.200 we got to act, we got to act now. And 0:44:26.239 --> 0:44:28.719 then they look across the ocean there and they look 0:44:28.719 --> 0:44:31.279 at what China's doing and they realize we're behind the 0:44:31.280 --> 0:44:31.680 eight ball. 0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:32.000 Yep. 0:44:32.640 --> 0:44:32.839 Yeah. 0:44:32.880 --> 0:44:34.759 And in China they can just seize property. You know, 0:44:34.840 --> 0:44:37.560 we have eminent domain, we have court systems to fight there. 0:44:37.600 --> 0:44:41.200 It takes a much longer. The regulatory hurdles here are extreme, 0:44:42.160 --> 0:44:43.840 and I think that comes into play too. You mentioned 0:44:43.880 --> 0:44:46.640 nuclear power. Now we do have two nuclear plants in Ohio, 0:44:46.719 --> 0:44:50.160 but how has the impact of the first energy scandal 0:44:51.560 --> 0:44:54.279 destroyed that? You know, the public trust in nuclear but 0:44:54.400 --> 0:44:56.680 in the public Utuluise Commission in a sense is that 0:44:57.040 --> 0:44:59.480 you know, sixty million dollars has funneled through this five 0:44:59.560 --> 0:45:02.600 oz one CE and Larry Householder, we know that whole story. 0:45:02.800 --> 0:45:04.320 But the plants are in trouble in the first place 0:45:04.400 --> 0:45:07.000 because they weren't profitable, and now we rely more on 0:45:07.080 --> 0:45:11.359 natural gas the nuclear that seems to be more regulatory 0:45:11.480 --> 0:45:13.719 in layers of bureaucracy, and that's why it cost so 0:45:13.800 --> 0:45:17.399 much to put new nuclear plants online and use nuclear energy, 0:45:17.440 --> 0:45:20.600 which is much much much cleaner. Will we ever get 0:45:20.640 --> 0:45:23.640 over that hurdle, especially in light of that scandal. 0:45:24.760 --> 0:45:27.120 Well, I definitely think the scandal hurt. But the one 0:45:27.160 --> 0:45:29.480 thing that I'll say that it's very positive is there 0:45:29.520 --> 0:45:33.520 are some different models coming online for nuclear power plants. 0:45:33.960 --> 0:45:35.960 I'm not sure that the future of nuclear is going 0:45:36.000 --> 0:45:38.239 to be things like the two plants or at the 0:45:38.239 --> 0:45:41.799 heart of that scandal. Now that said, interestingly enough, of course, 0:45:41.800 --> 0:45:45.040 those plants have been sold off now and you have 0:45:45.400 --> 0:45:49.800 major tech companies purchasing energy that's coming from those plants 0:45:49.880 --> 0:45:53.080 through a private arrangement, which is the way it should 0:45:53.080 --> 0:45:56.440 have worked all along, without all the subsidies and public 0:45:56.440 --> 0:45:58.839 interference and corruption that was involved with the House Built 0:45:58.840 --> 0:46:01.640 six scandal. But the things that I think we really 0:46:01.640 --> 0:46:03.840 are looking for are these what they call it small 0:46:03.920 --> 0:46:08.880 modular reactors. Now there's actually one that's supposed to be 0:46:08.920 --> 0:46:12.360 going into the old piping plant down in southern Ohio. 0:46:13.400 --> 0:46:15.920 It still needs to get federal approval. Again, there's a 0:46:15.960 --> 0:46:17.880 lot of reguatory hurdles, and when are dealing with du clear, 0:46:18.320 --> 0:46:21.319 I think everybody is rightfully concerned. Everybody kind of thinks 0:46:21.320 --> 0:46:23.919 the turnable or three mile island and things like that. Now, 0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:28.200 the new designs are very very different, much safer, but 0:46:28.320 --> 0:46:31.879 we also haven't constructed those historically, so there's a lot 0:46:31.880 --> 0:46:34.520 of work in Washington to try to kind of get 0:46:34.520 --> 0:46:37.439 at what they call turnty approach. Some designs that they 0:46:37.480 --> 0:46:41.560 have looked at. They've managed it from a safety standpoint 0:46:41.920 --> 0:46:44.160 so that if you basically go with certain kinds of 0:46:44.200 --> 0:46:47.160 pre approved designs, you can get fast or permitting. I 0:46:47.160 --> 0:46:48.919 think that is something we're going to see, but that's 0:46:48.920 --> 0:46:51.560 not right around the corner. It's coming, and I actually 0:46:51.560 --> 0:46:53.960 think it's likely to be the future. Indeed, one of 0:46:53.960 --> 0:46:55.759 the things you'll probably see with some of these data 0:46:55.800 --> 0:46:58.960 centers is a lot of on site generation where they 0:46:59.000 --> 0:47:01.719 may not even tie back into the grid overall. They 0:47:01.719 --> 0:47:04.640 may PLoP a small modular reactor or a couple of 0:47:04.680 --> 0:47:09.720 gas turbines natural gas turbines on site that just produces 0:47:09.760 --> 0:47:12.799 electricity just for that particular data center, right. I think 0:47:12.840 --> 0:47:15.520 you will see that happen more, and that would. 0:47:15.280 --> 0:47:15.759 Be a good thing. 0:47:15.800 --> 0:47:18.759 But I think SMRs, the small mods, they're going to 0:47:18.760 --> 0:47:21.440 be something that is going to come online here in 0:47:21.480 --> 0:47:24.520 the not too distant future, and I think that will 0:47:24.560 --> 0:47:27.200 be a good thing, and I think the public will 0:47:27.280 --> 0:47:30.759 understand that these are very different again from the things 0:47:30.760 --> 0:47:31.360 that have caused. 0:47:31.200 --> 0:47:33.319 So much being I think, I think, you know, absolutely right. 0:47:33.320 --> 0:47:36.000 I'm fascinated by this whole thing. And you'll see these 0:47:36.040 --> 0:47:40.160 these localized specialized power generation stations for each one of 0:47:40.200 --> 0:47:42.959 these AI facilities, and you know, the surplus they could 0:47:42.960 --> 0:47:45.480 sell back and put it a pipeline back through the grid, 0:47:45.560 --> 0:47:47.399 kind of like you do if you have solar or 0:47:47.960 --> 0:47:50.600 I don't know, wind turbine in your yard. Right, the 0:47:50.800 --> 0:47:52.640 shurplus energy you don't use, you can sell back to 0:47:52.840 --> 0:47:55.799 the provider. By law, they have to buy back. You 0:47:55.800 --> 0:47:57.439 could do that or and you know we talk about 0:47:57.440 --> 0:48:00.279 infrastructure and transmission is the key here in stringing more 0:48:00.320 --> 0:48:02.480 power lines all over. No one wants them in their backyard. 0:48:02.560 --> 0:48:04.040 They want to go over ahead. Remember the big scare 0:48:04.080 --> 0:48:07.560 but EMF frequencies causing cancer which turned out to be nothing. 0:48:07.600 --> 0:48:09.520 But people don't want those things around, so not in 0:48:09.520 --> 0:48:12.720 my backyard syndrome, much like we're fighting against AI data center. 0:48:12.840 --> 0:48:17.160 So I think the future are smaller nuclear reactors for 0:48:17.280 --> 0:48:20.319 subdivisions for I don't know, small communities. Hell, you might 0:48:20.360 --> 0:48:23.480 have one replacing your furnace, I don't know. But then 0:48:23.520 --> 0:48:26.279 that eliminates the need for transmission lines, which is a 0:48:26.280 --> 0:48:28.600 tough fertle to cross. That's the problem. China can do 0:48:28.640 --> 0:48:30.400 it because they just take the land over. It's you know, 0:48:31.360 --> 0:48:34.120 the way their governments design their way life is designed over. 0:48:34.160 --> 0:48:36.720 Their government just controls everything. Here we have, as I mentioned, 0:48:36.719 --> 0:48:40.960 courts and eminent domain fights and everything else, environmental issues 0:48:40.960 --> 0:48:43.800 and alike. If you just did it locally as opposed 0:48:43.840 --> 0:48:46.440 to regionally, that's probably what's going to happen. 0:48:47.920 --> 0:48:49.279 I think there's going to be a lot of that 0:48:49.280 --> 0:48:52.960 that absolutely does happen. And you know, again there's actually 0:48:53.000 --> 0:48:54.640 even with some of the existing lines that we have, 0:48:54.760 --> 0:48:58.040 there's some things that you can do to actually improve 0:48:58.400 --> 0:49:00.919 how much energy is going through lines and how much 0:49:00.960 --> 0:49:03.560 doesn't get lost, because that's actually kind of an issue. 0:49:03.600 --> 0:49:05.640 You know, that snapping sound you here Sometimes if you 0:49:05.719 --> 0:49:10.200 happen to be walking underneath some lines, that's basically electricity 0:49:10.320 --> 0:49:12.839 that you're losing. That's electrons that aren't going to make 0:49:12.880 --> 0:49:15.880 it to whoever is needing to use that energy. So 0:49:15.920 --> 0:49:17.759 we need to make sure we're improving some of our 0:49:18.640 --> 0:49:20.880 capacity that way as well. And you can actually do 0:49:20.960 --> 0:49:24.600 some things with existing lines now that gets complicated because 0:49:24.600 --> 0:49:27.120 then you've got to find ways to pay the utility companies. 0:49:27.719 --> 0:49:31.680 They are monopoly and things like that. So it's still 0:49:31.800 --> 0:49:33.400 some challenges, but I think that's going to be a 0:49:33.400 --> 0:49:35.560 piece of puzzle. The whole new lines is going to 0:49:35.600 --> 0:49:37.840 be a piece of the puzzle. Again, I think some 0:49:37.920 --> 0:49:39.880 of the behind the meter stuff is puzzle. We have 0:49:39.960 --> 0:49:41.920 to do a lot more and this is something Ohio 0:49:41.960 --> 0:49:43.560 a loan can't do. This is something all the states 0:49:43.560 --> 0:49:45.480 are going to have to do, is work within the 0:49:46.080 --> 0:49:49.080 grid system. We were actually part of a multi state 0:49:49.719 --> 0:49:52.520 grid that's run by a nonprofit, A kind of a 0:49:52.520 --> 0:49:55.360 complicated story for folks who aren't familiar with all the 0:49:55.440 --> 0:50:00.319 energy infrastructure. But there's a lot of backlogs in terms 0:50:00.320 --> 0:50:03.640 of connecting new generation to the overall grid, and that's 0:50:03.640 --> 0:50:06.279 actually delay. So that's another pig latory delay that we 0:50:06.360 --> 0:50:09.000 need to work on. You know, I'm a big believer 0:50:09.200 --> 0:50:13.919 eventually that will facilitate that process and make it easier 0:50:13.920 --> 0:50:15.279 because I think that will be good because I'll allow 0:50:15.320 --> 0:50:16.960 you to do what you were just describing, which is 0:50:17.400 --> 0:50:19.640 if you can produce surplus, you can sell it back, 0:50:20.160 --> 0:50:21.759 and that's something that we should really be trying to 0:50:21.800 --> 0:50:23.000 aspire to in the long run. 0:50:23.080 --> 0:50:25.000 Yeah, I think you know, it's an environmental thing and 0:50:25.200 --> 0:50:27.799 also a safety thing. You think of California, the wildfires 0:50:27.840 --> 0:50:30.160 are there, not all of them melatomum sparked by with 0:50:30.239 --> 0:50:32.279 the tremendous wins and the power lines going down like 0:50:32.320 --> 0:50:35.880 the campfire for example, that that that doesn't eliminate that. 0:50:35.960 --> 0:50:37.800 But you know, if you if you're using less power 0:50:37.840 --> 0:50:41.480 lines because the substations or these generating stations are closer 0:50:41.480 --> 0:50:43.239 to where people use, I mean you have fewer lines 0:50:43.239 --> 0:50:46.560 strong and less opportunity for a natural disaster, a man 0:50:46.600 --> 0:50:48.480 made disaster like this. I guess it would be Greg 0:50:48.520 --> 0:50:52.040 Lawson from Buckeye on the show, and he testified last 0:50:52.040 --> 0:50:56.239 week before the legislature in Columbus regarding our energy policy here. 0:50:56.320 --> 0:50:58.319 And we want to be and we are a major 0:50:58.320 --> 0:51:00.000 player right now. We're top five. I think we're number 0:51:00.040 --> 0:51:02.680 out of the country for data center growth. We want 0:51:02.719 --> 0:51:05.160 to be number one because that is the future of Ohio. 0:51:05.200 --> 0:51:08.200 But of course we have municipalities all over the state 0:51:08.239 --> 0:51:10.680 that are fighting in and say maybe not fighting against 0:51:10.680 --> 0:51:13.200 them per se greg but I think it's in and 0:51:13.320 --> 0:51:14.839 you know, we've learned in the past like, oh yeah, 0:51:14.880 --> 0:51:16.960 come in and do the building. These big and it's 0:51:16.960 --> 0:51:19.440 not just one building. These campuses are there, they're a 0:51:19.560 --> 0:51:22.799 number of buildings are massive in their size. They don't 0:51:22.800 --> 0:51:25.000 employ all that many people. So I don't know about 0:51:25.000 --> 0:51:27.920 the you know, the local economic impact. And I think 0:51:27.960 --> 0:51:30.799 but I think residents are right to question what's in 0:51:30.840 --> 0:51:31.520 their backyard. 0:51:32.880 --> 0:51:34.440 Well, I think that this is going to be one 0:51:34.480 --> 0:51:38.439 of the hot topics too that that's going on, is 0:51:38.560 --> 0:51:40.879 there are some legitimate concerns about these And you're right, 0:51:41.200 --> 0:51:43.719 the jobs, I mean, there's some temporary jobs obviously when 0:51:43.719 --> 0:51:44.080 you do the. 0:51:44.000 --> 0:51:46.759 Construction constructions great, yeah, yeah. 0:51:46.200 --> 0:51:50.680 But the long term jaws typically aren't as high. Now, 0:51:51.120 --> 0:51:52.800 you know we in fact, someone we're looking at the 0:51:52.800 --> 0:51:55.120 buck Gysto right now is looking at there's a lot 0:51:55.120 --> 0:51:58.880 of knockoff effects because thinking about what these data centers 0:51:58.880 --> 0:52:01.040 do and the cloud and all the data that you use, 0:52:01.640 --> 0:52:06.879 health records, financial records, how you do purchasing online, all 0:52:06.880 --> 0:52:09.480 of the very and certainly the gaming thing for entertainment 0:52:09.560 --> 0:52:12.440 and streaming and all the things that we've become so 0:52:12.520 --> 0:52:16.880 accustomed to. All of that needs that kind of the 0:52:16.960 --> 0:52:20.160 data centers is the backbone. So there's if you don't 0:52:20.200 --> 0:52:22.399 build any of those, you don't have any of those things. 0:52:22.880 --> 0:52:26.400 So there's obviously some long term negative consequences to that. 0:52:26.520 --> 0:52:29.480 I think we have to explain that to folks now 0:52:29.480 --> 0:52:31.000 that still is going to there a lot of people 0:52:31.000 --> 0:52:32.920 are still going to say I don't want this, you know, 0:52:33.000 --> 0:52:36.319 home in my backyard kind of situation. I think that's 0:52:36.360 --> 0:52:37.560 it again why we have to kind of go back 0:52:37.600 --> 0:52:40.279 and say, look, you know, there may be some things 0:52:40.280 --> 0:52:42.000 we need to do, but we can't just have Nimby 0:52:42.719 --> 0:52:45.840 take off everywhere because if we do that here in 0:52:45.880 --> 0:52:50.280 Ohio again, it'll spread that message spread to other states. 0:52:50.440 --> 0:52:54.000 It's going to happen elsewhere, and I think that would 0:52:54.040 --> 0:52:57.080 put us at a competitive disadvantage, not just economically, but 0:52:57.160 --> 0:52:59.600 even from that security standpoint we were talking about before. 0:53:00.320 --> 0:53:03.080 And you know, that is something I think people don't 0:53:03.120 --> 0:53:06.360 necessarily think as much about that particular component of this, 0:53:06.760 --> 0:53:09.960 but it's actually really important piece of this. I think 0:53:09.960 --> 0:53:12.160 that message does need to get out there so that 0:53:12.200 --> 0:53:15.040 people can kind of understand that and factor that into 0:53:15.080 --> 0:53:17.000 their sort of decision making. 0:53:17.120 --> 0:53:20.359 Yeah, it's getting you know, certainly we're getting strained here. 0:53:20.400 --> 0:53:22.360 Power bills are going up people are looking at it 0:53:22.400 --> 0:53:23.840 going why am I paying so much money? We have 0:53:23.920 --> 0:53:26.759 a and let's not forget advanced manufacturing. We just built 0:53:26.760 --> 0:53:29.200 a thirty one million dollar facility in Hamilton with Miami 0:53:29.280 --> 0:53:33.920 University to train the next generation of that workforce. And 0:53:34.000 --> 0:53:36.480 that's going to grow in Ohio as well. The manufacturing 0:53:36.600 --> 0:53:39.839 of the future is more lab based, in computer based 0:53:39.840 --> 0:53:41.719 than it was a couple of generations ago. Or it's 0:53:41.760 --> 0:53:43.920 like a big factory floor. So that's taking root here 0:53:43.920 --> 0:53:45.600 in Ohio as well. And it all means more power 0:53:45.600 --> 0:53:47.759 you use. Each just means higher bills, and we've got 0:53:47.800 --> 0:53:49.840 to find a way to produce and then transmit that 0:53:49.960 --> 0:53:51.880 energy to where it's needed. Greg Lost in the Buckeye 0:53:51.960 --> 0:53:55.439 Institute testifying before the legislature last week on this very issue. 0:53:55.440 --> 0:53:56.279 Thanks again for jumping on. 0:53:56.320 --> 0:53:58.040 I appreciate you, Thank you very much. 0:53:58.320 --> 0:54:01.080 Take care news in about five though, iHeartMedia and seven 0:54:01.160 --> 0:54:04.160 hundred WW salute Cincinnati's own Procter and Gamble. If you've 0:54:04.160 --> 0:54:06.319 got someone there you'd like for us to recognize on 0:54:06.320 --> 0:54:09.040 the air, Just Texas their name to fifty one eight 0:54:09.120 --> 0:54:14.400 eight one and be listening. Hi Scott's Loan Show. Seven 0:54:14.480 --> 0:54:19.880 hundred WLW. Welcome to Tuesday, not just any Tuesday, my 0:54:19.960 --> 0:54:22.480 friend's Fat Tuesday. I'll be the King of Marty Gros 0:54:22.560 --> 0:54:25.560 once again this year at the Northern Kentucky Convention Center. 0:54:26.400 --> 0:54:28.440 We still have a few tickets left. I believe a few. 0:54:28.800 --> 0:54:31.000 Marti Grout twenty twenty six dot org. Or you can 0:54:31.040 --> 0:54:34.400 swing by Mercedes Benz of Fort Mitchell seeing Don Paparella 0:54:34.440 --> 0:54:37.319 and his team. That can hook you up there and 0:54:37.360 --> 0:54:40.120 of course it all benefits are three wonderful organizations in 0:54:40.160 --> 0:54:42.560 Cincinnati for kids in need, Bethany House, Brighton Center and 0:54:42.600 --> 0:54:46.520 Welcome House, and the proceeds tonight, all of it will benefit. 0:54:46.560 --> 0:54:49.799 All the money goes to feeding all kids, all kids 0:54:49.800 --> 0:54:52.560 in those organizations, like one hundred and fifty thousand meals 0:54:53.080 --> 0:54:56.520 for twenty twenty six, which is an incredible, incredible thing 0:54:56.560 --> 0:54:58.640 if you think about it. So I'll be there. I 0:54:58.680 --> 0:55:01.399 mentioned Shila Gray who was on show yesterday. She's gonna 0:55:01.440 --> 0:55:03.239 jump on. She be my queen once again this year. 0:55:03.960 --> 0:55:06.080 John John is our gesture, which is perfect because he 0:55:06.120 --> 0:55:08.919 can dress up in tights. Sarah Release will be there, 0:55:09.000 --> 0:55:12.719 and our own Tom Brenneman making his first appearance as 0:55:12.719 --> 0:55:15.920 an MC tonight at the Northern Kentucky Convention Center VIP 0:55:16.040 --> 0:55:19.239 tickets at five thirty six thirty. I think general and 0:55:19.480 --> 0:55:21.120 it's all on my ten And it's more food than 0:55:21.120 --> 0:55:22.919 you can eat and more drink than you can drink 0:55:22.920 --> 0:55:24.719 on a Tuesday night, for sure. But it's a great cause. 0:55:24.760 --> 0:55:26.680 So if you missed out on Valentine's Day and you're 0:55:26.719 --> 0:55:29.120 like God to do something or you're just looking to 0:55:29.120 --> 0:55:30.760 get out, man, it's and it's for a great cause. 0:55:30.800 --> 0:55:33.360 So at is Martin grat twenty twenty six dot or 0:55:33.400 --> 0:55:38.240 hoop to see you out there tonight tonight tonight. Lawyers 0:55:38.280 --> 0:55:41.160 do kind of ruin everything, don't they, And that as 0:55:41.200 --> 0:55:43.839 part of the maybe the frustration of life is each 0:55:43.840 --> 0:55:45.520 and every day we all get a little bit older, 0:55:47.040 --> 0:55:49.359 and you know, they're just the simple things in life 0:55:49.440 --> 0:55:52.200 you enjoy, like Foo. Food never lets you do, never 0:55:52.280 --> 0:55:55.520 lets you down. The war on food continues. Costco is 0:55:55.560 --> 0:56:01.680 facing a class action lawsuit over their chicken. They're Kirkland 0:56:01.840 --> 0:56:07.200 Signature seasoned rotisserie chicken. Are you a fan of Costco chicken? 0:56:07.280 --> 0:56:09.480 I know you're a fan of the pizza slice at 0:56:09.480 --> 0:56:12.719 the deli. You know they have the food court. Well 0:56:12.760 --> 0:56:14.600 not even a food court there. It's basically what it is. 0:56:14.640 --> 0:56:16.640 You know, get they got the cheese, they got a pepperoni, 0:56:16.680 --> 0:56:20.000 you can get. I think they've got like a turkey 0:56:20.080 --> 0:56:22.200 sandar tok, a bunch of stuff, and it's it's interestedly cheap. 0:56:22.200 --> 0:56:25.840 They're known for their dollar fifty quarter pound hot dog 0:56:26.040 --> 0:56:29.400 and pop for a buck fifty. And I think the 0:56:29.520 --> 0:56:32.440 rotests chicken, I believe it is like five bucks. It's unreal. 0:56:32.600 --> 0:56:35.520 It's a giant chicken and you get for a five 0:56:35.600 --> 0:56:38.360 or six bucks. It's insane. You just grab one and 0:56:38.360 --> 0:56:41.480 you bring it home. It's delicious, delicious. Why are they 0:56:41.480 --> 0:56:46.840 getting sued? The Costco rotisserie chicken probably one of the 0:56:46.880 --> 0:56:49.680 most purchased food items in the United States. For that matter, 0:56:49.719 --> 0:56:52.720 they sell more chickens than anyone in the United States 0:56:52.920 --> 0:56:55.680 because of that. And the fight is over whether or 0:56:55.760 --> 0:56:58.600 not the label on the outside says there's no preserves 0:56:58.600 --> 0:57:02.040 in it, but the plaintips call it actually contains preservatives. 0:57:04.120 --> 0:57:09.319 The preservatives are sodium phosphate and carried genin carried gene 0:57:09.320 --> 0:57:14.000 and I believe is seaweed, and of course sodium phosphate. 0:57:14.040 --> 0:57:20.040 It's salt liquid salt, and so the hinge. The Crux 0:57:20.160 --> 0:57:23.040 lawsuit is the nut impression, Meaning even if a Costco 0:57:23.120 --> 0:57:27.080 technicalist ingredients somewhere, the dominant marketing message on the label 0:57:27.160 --> 0:57:29.320 is no preserved. On the bag it says no preservatives. 0:57:30.880 --> 0:57:32.640 So what do you perceive? What do you rely on? 0:57:32.680 --> 0:57:36.720 What information? So what you're saying is we're suing Costco 0:57:37.200 --> 0:57:41.800 over seasoning. See this is how lawyers a ruined stuff. 0:57:42.040 --> 0:57:43.760 Now they maintaine the label. I don't know what the 0:57:43.800 --> 0:57:45.720 remedy is here. I'll probably get in a few months 0:57:45.720 --> 0:57:48.520 a card from some settlement in the mail that says 0:57:48.520 --> 0:57:50.480 you are part of your Costco member, you are so 0:57:50.600 --> 0:57:54.000 part of this class action lawsuit for against Big Chicken 0:57:55.600 --> 0:57:59.120 against mislabeled products. And you send the card in and 0:57:59.120 --> 0:58:02.480 you get out a check for forty cents. A lawyer 0:58:02.520 --> 0:58:04.400 makes all the money. You get forty cents for that 0:58:04.480 --> 0:58:07.120 chicken doesn't even buy me. Doesn't mean by the tip 0:58:07.160 --> 0:58:09.160 of the wing, nobody eats man forty cents? Come on, 0:58:09.440 --> 0:58:11.840 what are we doing over here? But the problem is, like, 0:58:12.360 --> 0:58:14.120 you know what's gonna do. It's just gonna drive the 0:58:14.160 --> 0:58:16.840 cost of the Chicken's gonna go up to pay for 0:58:16.920 --> 0:58:21.680 the furlos lawsuit, and this is a thing in lawsuits 0:58:21.680 --> 0:58:25.080 involving food litigation. It's basically it's called front of package 0:58:25.360 --> 0:58:29.040 versus a back of label arguments. And the logic is 0:58:29.080 --> 0:58:33.800 that courts are generally recognized that technically accurate fine print 0:58:33.800 --> 0:58:38.280 disclosures don't automatically neutralize the advertising claim, and so it's 0:58:38.280 --> 0:58:41.640 called net impression. The net impression doctrine meaning doesn't matter 0:58:41.640 --> 0:58:43.720 if the truth is technically somewhere on the package, if 0:58:43.720 --> 0:58:45.920 the experience of buying product creates a false belief. So 0:58:45.960 --> 0:58:47.920 that is what the FTC the Federal Trade Commission is 0:58:47.960 --> 0:58:50.040 centered around. At the same time as like, come on, man, 0:58:50.360 --> 0:58:52.680 you don't expect chicken to have some some salt in it? 0:58:54.080 --> 0:58:57.600 And I guess I don't know what the kerriagenin does. 0:58:57.640 --> 0:59:01.640 I think it is basically makes an and may probably 0:59:01.720 --> 0:59:03.880 just continue to make it juicy. But it's it's seaweed. 0:59:03.880 --> 0:59:07.120 It's not like it's chemicals. I mean, technically sodium phosphate is. 0:59:07.160 --> 0:59:09.880 But you still put salt on your chicken, at least 0:59:09.920 --> 0:59:11.520 I hope you would, because it's going to be nasty 0:59:11.560 --> 0:59:14.080 if it doesn't have that stuff in it. And some 0:59:14.120 --> 0:59:16.600 seaweed seems perfectly natural. I mean, it's not like they're 0:59:16.640 --> 0:59:18.520 pumping it full of steroids and things like that be 0:59:18.560 --> 0:59:20.280 a different story. So for me, I don't know. 0:59:20.320 --> 0:59:20.720 I just. 0:59:22.160 --> 0:59:24.040 There are very few things in life as you get 0:59:24.080 --> 0:59:26.760 older that bring you so much joy, and rotisserie chicken 0:59:26.840 --> 0:59:29.040 definitely brings. I felt I should I feel I should 0:59:29.080 --> 0:59:32.640 bring Segin is like our seven hundred w he's like that. 0:59:32.680 --> 0:59:36.640 He's our Chicken Report's senior poultry correspondent, Bill sag Dennison 0:59:36.680 --> 0:59:39.400 to talk about Costco chicken. I don't know if he's 0:59:39.400 --> 0:59:42.720 ever had Costco chicken, but he's our seven hundred chicken expert. 0:59:42.760 --> 0:59:45.840 I'm gonna save that topic for maybe an upcoming Stooge Report. 0:59:46.160 --> 0:59:48.840 Maybe maybe later day you'll hear that the dispute over. 0:59:49.000 --> 0:59:51.520 It's like, come on, man, are you gonna go after pepper. 0:59:52.080 --> 0:59:54.240 It's like it's supposed to be seasoned. I get it. 0:59:54.280 --> 0:59:56.200 If you know all natural chicken and you go to 0:59:56.240 --> 0:59:59.880 some fast food place and it's not okay, I get that. Yeah, 1:00:00.080 --> 1:00:02.640 Donald's coffee is supposed to be hot, got it, But 1:00:02.720 --> 1:00:05.520 it's too hot and that's why now it's luke warm. 1:00:05.880 --> 1:00:07.800 You've ruined it. I hope they don't ruin the Costco 1:00:07.920 --> 1:00:09.560 chick and damn well, I'll tell you what you want 1:00:09.560 --> 1:00:11.160 to start a you want to start a civil war 1:00:11.200 --> 1:00:12.840 in this country. It's not gonna be over politics. It's 1:00:12.840 --> 1:00:15.880 not gonna be over racial issues, gender orientations. It's going 1:00:15.960 --> 1:00:18.440 to be over the dollar fifty hot dog at Costco. 1:00:18.560 --> 1:00:22.640 You start going after that, after the pizza slice. It's 1:00:22.680 --> 1:00:27.800 on because Costco army. We run deep. A lot of 1:00:27.840 --> 1:00:31.200 people love them. Some Costco will fight to the death. 1:00:34.320 --> 1:00:36.480 You can. You can fight me on this whole thing 1:00:36.520 --> 1:00:40.960 all you want. You can take that chicken drumstick out 1:00:40.960 --> 1:00:43.560 of my cold dead hand. How's that sound? You think 1:00:43.600 --> 1:00:45.720 you got problems? Think Costco's got problems here somebody else 1:00:45.760 --> 1:00:48.760 having problems. They'll love. We like to punch down to 1:00:48.800 --> 1:00:50.880 the French. I don't just think it's the thing at 1:00:50.880 --> 1:00:53.400 this point. So we had that big heist last summer, 1:00:53.400 --> 1:00:57.080 remember that of the inside job. So just a couple 1:00:57.160 --> 1:00:59.800 days of a water pipe burst that damage a nineteenth 1:00:59.800 --> 1:01:03.360 century ceiling, and the ceiling was just the ceiling was 1:01:03.360 --> 1:01:07.280 actually a work of art. And then a water leak 1:01:07.400 --> 1:01:10.320 in November damaged several hundred works in the Library of 1:01:10.360 --> 1:01:13.240 Egyptian antiquities, which is a big, big deal. So you're 1:01:13.240 --> 1:01:15.600 starting to wonder like, should we be trusting the lou 1:01:15.640 --> 1:01:18.240 Should we trusting the French to keep all of these 1:01:18.280 --> 1:01:20.880 antiquities and all this because they don't be doing that 1:01:20.920 --> 1:01:23.440 good job. You know, we're stealing stuff. We've got water leaks, 1:01:24.760 --> 1:01:27.400 we got pipes bursting. What's going on over You've got 1:01:27.400 --> 1:01:28.960 the they had to shut down because they don't have 1:01:29.040 --> 1:01:32.720 people working. But what are we doing here France? And 1:01:32.800 --> 1:01:35.200 we want to be more like the French? Right, they're 1:01:35.200 --> 1:01:42.360 now investigating a twelve million dollar fraud scheme and I'm 1:01:42.400 --> 1:01:45.560 still trying to figure this out. So here's the fraud 1:01:45.680 --> 1:01:50.560 scheme that detained nine people and two museum employees and 1:01:50.600 --> 1:01:53.840 some tour guides. So there were two Chinese tour guides, 1:01:53.920 --> 1:01:57.400 two to two guides. And how it works if you've 1:01:57.400 --> 1:01:59.439 never been abroad New Europe anywhere else for that matter, 1:01:59.440 --> 1:02:01.440 you know, if you're part to big group, and we 1:02:01.520 --> 1:02:03.640 did used to do this with YMT vacations back in 1:02:03.680 --> 1:02:05.160 the day. Probably with a group, you know, you have 1:02:05.200 --> 1:02:08.400 a somebody who leads the pack around, you know, the 1:02:08.440 --> 1:02:11.400 den mother, and this person will get you to the 1:02:11.400 --> 1:02:13.200 head of the line for group tours and things because 1:02:13.320 --> 1:02:15.200 errel juiced and they buy, they get you around and 1:02:16.240 --> 1:02:18.480 they speak the language. They're you know, they're they're you're 1:02:18.760 --> 1:02:20.960 you're hiring a fixers, which are but they'll they'll show 1:02:21.000 --> 1:02:22.520 you the sites and they get you like the groups 1:02:22.520 --> 1:02:23.560 of the front of the line, so you don't have 1:02:23.600 --> 1:02:25.720 to wait with everybody else because you know, they give 1:02:25.760 --> 1:02:27.240 you priority if you're in a tour group. That's what 1:02:27.280 --> 1:02:30.400 they pay for. That's what you pay for. Anyway, the Chinese, 1:02:30.440 --> 1:02:33.800 two Chinese tour guides dealing I guess with just Chinese 1:02:33.840 --> 1:02:40.800 citizens were suspective reusing tickets to bring Chinese tourists into 1:02:40.840 --> 1:02:43.600 the museum. So they had surveillance that they had wired 1:02:43.640 --> 1:02:47.320 debs and it confirmed that some guys were reusing tickets 1:02:48.080 --> 1:02:51.840 and splitting tour groups to avoid fees. And the network 1:02:51.920 --> 1:02:54.640 is suspected of bringing in up to twenty tour groups 1:02:54.680 --> 1:02:57.560 a day over the past ten years and then taking 1:02:57.600 --> 1:03:00.520 the profits and using it to buy real state in 1:03:00.600 --> 1:03:05.040 France and also Dubai. And this may have also happened 1:03:05.040 --> 1:03:06.920 at the Palace of over Side. They're still investigating that. 1:03:07.000 --> 1:03:13.160 I'm like, okay, help me out here. Twenty groups a day, 1:03:13.360 --> 1:03:15.880 bringing in twenty groups a day, and then they took 1:03:15.880 --> 1:03:19.240 the profit to invest in real estate. But they're using tickets, 1:03:19.240 --> 1:03:21.320 saying seems to me like I'm looking at that going 1:03:21.520 --> 1:03:24.360 this doesn't seem like a high level crime. But they 1:03:24.480 --> 1:03:27.040 just continue to get more bad press over there. At 1:03:27.040 --> 1:03:29.120 some point you go, why are we trusting all of 1:03:29.160 --> 1:03:31.360 these wonderful things to you get you guys can't handle this, 1:03:32.520 --> 1:03:34.280 And the cry was, you know, we need to expand 1:03:34.320 --> 1:03:36.160 and we need to modernize, we need to hire people. 1:03:36.200 --> 1:03:38.680 Will when you go there, you pay a lot of 1:03:38.720 --> 1:03:42.760 money as a tourist to go see these sites. There's 1:03:42.800 --> 1:03:45.120 fees involved in this. How are you not taking that 1:03:45.200 --> 1:03:50.280 money and spending it on weald security and plumbing leaves 1:03:50.320 --> 1:03:51.919 to scratch your I go, well, where's the money going? 1:03:51.960 --> 1:03:54.800 So you could go on strike and take another day off. 1:03:54.840 --> 1:03:58.360 A whole problem with the model over there, It is 1:03:58.440 --> 1:04:01.960 definitely for sure broken. As long as this doesn't flop 1:04:02.000 --> 1:04:04.640 over to the Costco Chicken, I think I think we're okay. 1:04:04.960 --> 1:04:06.920 Quick time out. We've got news in about twelve here 1:04:06.960 --> 1:04:09.240 coming up at eleven oh seven. He is the president 1:04:09.680 --> 1:04:12.560 of the Queens City Lodge of the Fraternal Order of Police. 1:04:12.560 --> 1:04:15.440 That would be ken Kober. We've had a spade of 1:04:15.520 --> 1:04:19.040 shootings here recently, and and I want to drum up 1:04:19.040 --> 1:04:21.720 the old tired narrative about how dangerous it is in Cincinnati. 1:04:21.760 --> 1:04:28.439 Really that's relative, but certainly it's a concerning trend. We've 1:04:28.480 --> 1:04:32.800 had now shootings on Valentine's Day on a party bus 1:04:33.080 --> 1:04:34.880 could happen. Right on a party bus, You're going to 1:04:34.920 --> 1:04:38.160 get shot. That's not good. We had the North Side shooting, 1:04:38.200 --> 1:04:40.520 two people dead, two injured, and that was more concerning 1:04:40.560 --> 1:04:42.400 because you know, there are a lot more people around 1:04:42.440 --> 1:04:44.160 and on all of that, if you looked at some 1:04:44.240 --> 1:04:47.000 of the coverage of this thing, you saw literally bullet 1:04:47.040 --> 1:04:51.000 holes in buildings, in storefronts, and now people are going, 1:04:51.000 --> 1:04:52.640 I don't know if on new business in North Side, 1:04:52.640 --> 1:04:54.720 this is not the first time it's happened. And at 1:04:54.840 --> 1:04:57.040 least one individual there said I want to move my business. 1:04:57.440 --> 1:04:59.560 Whether that happens or not yet to be seen. And 1:04:59.600 --> 1:05:03.200 then last night, a the body of a female this 1:05:03.320 --> 1:05:06.440 seed and someone who was shot was found at Lynn 1:05:06.520 --> 1:05:11.360 and Poplar Streets. So consecutive days of homicides here in Cincinnati. 1:05:11.560 --> 1:05:14.120 The numbers going right now statistically speaking, it's forty percent, 1:05:14.160 --> 1:05:16.560 but it's like I think we had I think we 1:05:16.640 --> 1:05:18.920 went from eight to ten or something like that, So 1:05:19.400 --> 1:05:23.800 you know how many is it? But I'll ask Ken Cober, 1:05:23.840 --> 1:05:26.120 this whole situation is like, Okay, well, I know it's 1:05:26.200 --> 1:05:28.160 we're only halfway through February and we only it's a 1:05:28.240 --> 1:05:31.040 very very small sample, you know, a month and a 1:05:31.040 --> 1:05:34.000 half in, but we're seeing crime rise. You're over your 1:05:34.080 --> 1:05:36.080 last month and now this month we're ahead on pace. 1:05:36.120 --> 1:05:39.360 And it's a legitimate question is this a sign? Can 1:05:39.360 --> 1:05:41.720 you see a trend here if this continues through February 1:05:41.760 --> 1:05:46.720 and then March. Considering we've had incredibly cold temperatures for 1:05:46.800 --> 1:05:49.800 this year and we haven't seen we finally above the 1:05:49.840 --> 1:05:52.080 freezing mark. But all of these crimes happened when it 1:05:52.080 --> 1:05:55.000 was pretty damn cold outside. So if we're seeing those 1:05:55.000 --> 1:05:57.840 homicides occur when it's cold and typically people are out 1:05:57.960 --> 1:06:01.040 congregating and doing stuff, what does this mean when we 1:06:01.120 --> 1:06:03.560 hit festival season? What does this mean from opening day 1:06:03.600 --> 1:06:05.920 on forward? And can you look at this and be 1:06:06.320 --> 1:06:09.080 at least concerned that it is a trend and that's 1:06:09.240 --> 1:06:10.800 not a trend with a month and a half for sure. 1:06:10.880 --> 1:06:13.600 I would say to me, three months probably makes a trend. 1:06:14.400 --> 1:06:16.840 But we're two of those three months in already. If 1:06:16.840 --> 1:06:19.760 that's the case, should we be concerned? Legitimate question? And 1:06:19.800 --> 1:06:22.880 also what's really changing when it comes to stopping crime. 1:06:22.880 --> 1:06:25.240 We've heard a lot about cameras, We've heard a lot 1:06:25.280 --> 1:06:28.360 about judges, and I'm curious. I'll ask Ken this are 1:06:28.360 --> 1:06:30.360 we seeing movement there are judges now maybe going you 1:06:30.360 --> 1:06:33.680 know what, maybe we really need to take the fact 1:06:33.680 --> 1:06:36.360 that when people break or take off or ignore their 1:06:36.400 --> 1:06:39.640 ankle monitors, that we have to get them immediately and 1:06:39.800 --> 1:06:42.200 elevate that to a serious felony, which I think it 1:06:42.280 --> 1:06:45.280 is because if you are taking off your ankle monitor, 1:06:46.680 --> 1:06:49.760 or if you're simply you know, you're outside of your 1:06:50.000 --> 1:06:54.000 confines of the ankle monitor, of your restriction, it's probably 1:06:54.000 --> 1:06:56.920 not because you know, you just decided, Hey, I'm out 1:06:56.960 --> 1:06:58.880 of food, I need to go to Kroger, I need 1:06:58.920 --> 1:07:02.400 to go to the store. I got bills to pay. No, 1:07:02.520 --> 1:07:06.200 it's probably you're going to do something bad. So to me, 1:07:06.280 --> 1:07:08.280 it's like we've got someone who got a monitor on them. 1:07:08.280 --> 1:07:10.360 We should know where they are. Let's go get them. 1:07:10.600 --> 1:07:13.200 We took that more seriously, I think that people who 1:07:13.240 --> 1:07:16.040 are on that restriction would, But if you don't, then 1:07:16.160 --> 1:07:20.000 you won't. That's how it is kind of like, you know, 1:07:20.920 --> 1:07:22.680 the cameras. To some degree, we talked about, hey, we 1:07:22.720 --> 1:07:25.600 got to put cameras and cameras go okay, someone a 1:07:25.680 --> 1:07:27.840 kid died two years ago, we put cameras in a park, 1:07:28.720 --> 1:07:31.920 except we didn't, and so rightly. So now today it's like, well, 1:07:31.960 --> 1:07:33.360 you told us you're doing this stuff, and you're not 1:07:33.400 --> 1:07:36.320 doing it. It's is that what's fueling the whole problem. 1:07:36.320 --> 1:07:38.360 I don't know. Cannill have perspective on that coming up. 1:07:38.360 --> 1:07:39.960 And of course I should point out two that day 1:07:40.040 --> 1:07:43.080 yesterday in the Indianapolis area, which is just actually outside 1:07:43.080 --> 1:07:46.200 of Indy, a two officers shot, one fatally on the job. 1:07:46.240 --> 1:07:49.439 And that always, I always said that always literally hits 1:07:49.480 --> 1:07:51.440 for police officers too, because that is in the back 1:07:51.440 --> 1:07:53.360 of your mind all the time, and when it happens 1:07:53.400 --> 1:07:55.680 to someone as close away, whether it's Indy or Cleveland 1:07:55.800 --> 1:07:58.440 or Columbus or Louisville or it doesn't matter, but an 1:07:58.440 --> 1:08:02.640 officer down is pauster concern for local law enforcement. So 1:08:02.680 --> 1:08:05.400 we'll talk to Ken Kober about that today. Coming up 1:08:05.400 --> 1:08:07.400 on the show on seven hundred w W then eleven 1:08:07.440 --> 1:08:10.960 thirty five, it's Andy Schaeffer simply Money, our weekly money 1:08:11.040 --> 1:08:13.800 check up. AI making news once again today. Earlier in 1:08:13.800 --> 1:08:18.080 the show, I had some been talking about the AI 1:08:18.200 --> 1:08:21.439 revolution here and what that actually is going to mean 1:08:21.600 --> 1:08:24.040 for the state of Ohio because we're trying to grow 1:08:24.080 --> 1:08:27.599 this stuff out. But AI stock's taking a hit for sure, 1:08:27.680 --> 1:08:29.760 what the long term consequences of that are and more. 1:08:29.760 --> 1:08:31.439 It's coming up in just a few minutes here on 1:08:31.439 --> 1:08:35.720 the Scottsland Show on seven hundred WLW. Final point here too. 1:08:35.720 --> 1:08:40.600 We have the Olympics going on, and there's always controversy 1:08:40.640 --> 1:08:42.280 in the Olympics. You know, we had the quad God 1:08:42.920 --> 1:08:47.080 and also we had when you have when you invest 1:08:47.080 --> 1:08:49.160 all your marketing and like a couple athletes going, this 1:08:49.200 --> 1:08:50.840 is gonna be the greatest thing ever. And like the 1:08:50.920 --> 1:08:53.040 quad God, he's going to do a couple of quadruple 1:08:53.080 --> 1:08:55.479 no one's ever done this before, and he missed them both. 1:08:56.240 --> 1:08:58.400 You know, look at the guy going just tapping your thumbs, 1:08:58.439 --> 1:09:01.000 stapping your fingers, going, yeah, that was your thing and 1:09:01.680 --> 1:09:05.080 now it's not. And you feel badly for him because 1:09:05.120 --> 1:09:08.720 now there's all the pressure and the NonStop questioning over 1:09:08.760 --> 1:09:11.320 his routine certainly going to cost some mental health issues 1:09:11.320 --> 1:09:13.960 for sure. Maybe we'll talk to Julie Hattershare about that 1:09:13.960 --> 1:09:16.360 on Monday. I think it's a good topic. And of course, 1:09:16.760 --> 1:09:18.840 you know, we have had skiers going down, Lindsay Vaughn 1:09:18.880 --> 1:09:20.920 who's blown her leg out like three times. I don't 1:09:20.920 --> 1:09:22.400 know if she's gonna come back from this one, but 1:09:22.840 --> 1:09:24.760 that was sad to see for sure. We also have 1:09:24.800 --> 1:09:27.719 this controversy going on in Canada, and I think it's awesome. 1:09:28.960 --> 1:09:30.759 The curling team. You know, watch a lot of curling. 1:09:30.920 --> 1:09:33.120 Curling's on those sports where you would not watch it, 1:09:33.160 --> 1:09:35.920 probably when it wasn't in the Olympics. So every four 1:09:36.000 --> 1:09:39.240 years like, oh yeah, curling. Now where I grew up in, 1:09:39.720 --> 1:09:42.479 you know, up in New York State, we'd get Canadian 1:09:42.560 --> 1:09:44.320 TV state back in the day when you had broadcast 1:09:44.400 --> 1:09:47.760 come over, we had three two, you know, and we're 1:09:47.840 --> 1:09:49.760 lucky too because normally, you know, back they had four 1:09:49.800 --> 1:09:51.800 TV hits channels. I think we had eight because of 1:09:51.800 --> 1:09:54.160 the Canadian ones. But the Crappies stuff would be on 1:09:54.280 --> 1:09:56.320 like you'd wake up Saturday morning as a kid and 1:09:56.360 --> 1:09:58.880 flip around looking for cartoons and it'd be you know, 1:09:59.200 --> 1:10:03.040 religious programs, I mean in loveless yoga and you and 1:10:03.160 --> 1:10:06.240 the Canadian TV had have curling on like this, this sucks, 1:10:06.800 --> 1:10:08.680 but curling I'm kind of exposed to it back in 1:10:08.720 --> 1:10:12.680 the day, which is like Canada's version of cornhole. So 1:10:12.840 --> 1:10:15.439 the curling team is accused of cheating. On Friday, Sweden 1:10:15.560 --> 1:10:17.280 was all up in their face and literally look like 1:10:17.320 --> 1:10:20.280 they're gonna start hitting each other with the brooms. They're 1:10:20.320 --> 1:10:22.639 swearing at each other, calling to dropping the F bob. 1:10:22.720 --> 1:10:24.439 I mean, this is curling. It seems like a gentile 1:10:24.520 --> 1:10:29.720 sport right all because one of the I guess the curlers, 1:10:30.400 --> 1:10:32.840 once you let go of the handle, you're not allowed 1:10:32.880 --> 1:10:34.599 to touch it, but it looked like he was putting 1:10:34.600 --> 1:10:37.320 his finger, just touching it with his index finger and 1:10:37.400 --> 1:10:40.200 kind of guiding as it left his hand, and the 1:10:40.240 --> 1:10:42.960 Swedes were calling him out on that one. But there 1:10:42.960 --> 1:10:45.599 was no formal complaint in that thing and no one 1:10:45.680 --> 1:10:48.400 was sanctioned and Canada went on. So it was kind 1:10:48.400 --> 1:10:50.679 of funny to watch all the sports things don't really 1:10:50.680 --> 1:10:54.519 take like, you know, all athletes are competitive and I 1:10:54.560 --> 1:10:57.000 see hot you know, hockey SPI watch hockey players scrap 1:10:57.040 --> 1:10:59.040 all the time, you know, facewash, guys punching each other 1:10:59.080 --> 1:11:01.439 with my fight might brain out. But curly just seems 1:11:01.439 --> 1:11:03.360 like a sport where we wouldn't have that. Oh you 1:11:03.400 --> 1:11:07.000 know what, when you're competitive, doesn't matter the sport. People 1:11:07.040 --> 1:11:09.880 are still willing to throw down, still willing to throw down. 1:11:10.080 --> 1:11:12.000 We'll do a news update as I mentioned, Ken Coober's 1:11:12.040 --> 1:11:14.680 next on the show at seven hundred WLW. Do you 1:11:14.760 --> 1:11:18.519 want to be in a man Stott Flung show? On 1:11:18.560 --> 1:11:21.559 seven hundred w LW. As we cut through, it's on 1:11:21.560 --> 1:11:25.000 this Tuesday, getting ready for some Marty Gray action tonight. 1:11:25.040 --> 1:11:28.880 More on that later. We had let's see a shooting 1:11:28.920 --> 1:11:31.160 on a party of us on Valentine's Day we in 1:11:31.200 --> 1:11:35.000 that left one dead, one injured. Sunday we had about 1:11:35.080 --> 1:11:37.720 one forty am two people killed, two more injury to 1:11:37.720 --> 1:11:40.559 shooting at a club on Hamilton Avenue in North Side. 1:11:40.640 --> 1:11:43.599 Of course, overnight we have a body that was found 1:11:44.160 --> 1:11:48.439 one at Lynn and Poplar, I believe. So they're kind 1:11:48.479 --> 1:11:51.160 of a steady drumbeat of homicides and the numbers are 1:11:51.280 --> 1:11:54.160 up a little bit year over year, which is causing 1:11:54.160 --> 1:11:56.240 concern joining the show this morning as the president of 1:11:56.280 --> 1:11:59.720 the Cincinnati Lodge Quincy Lodge FOP at be Ken cober Ken. 1:11:59.720 --> 1:12:02.680 Welcome you been, hey, good morning, Thanks for having me. 1:12:02.680 --> 1:12:03.120 I'm doing well. 1:12:03.200 --> 1:12:03.439 Yeah. 1:12:03.479 --> 1:12:06.160 First I did want to give condolences because anytime an 1:12:06.160 --> 1:12:09.200 officer goes down to matter where it has costs for 1:12:09.240 --> 1:12:11.759 reflection and concerned. And we just had two officers shut 1:12:12.120 --> 1:12:17.120 outside Indianapolis yesterday won fatally for that matter, So condolences. 1:12:17.120 --> 1:12:20.479 Appreciate it. It's terrible. Actually, I was just an Indianapolis over 1:12:20.520 --> 1:12:23.200 the weekend and it's just terrible, terrible that things like 1:12:23.200 --> 1:12:23.639 this happen. 1:12:23.920 --> 1:12:26.000 Yeah, it does, well, we'll see. I know that they 1:12:26.040 --> 1:12:28.680 caught the guy responsible or the subject anyway, so that's 1:12:28.880 --> 1:12:30.880 get him off the street anyway and behind bars if 1:12:30.960 --> 1:12:33.880 not worse. But so we had a reduction after the 1:12:33.960 --> 1:12:36.519 last for well the first two months of this year. 1:12:36.520 --> 1:12:39.200 I guess we're seeing your rise after reduction last year. 1:12:39.240 --> 1:12:41.920 So crime was down, but two high I said, mentioned 1:12:41.920 --> 1:12:44.600 the high profile shootings and the fatal last night at 1:12:44.640 --> 1:12:46.479 popular Land. Crime numbers this year and it's again it's 1:12:46.479 --> 1:12:50.519 a very small sample. We're halfway through February, but a 1:12:50.600 --> 1:12:53.120 year of a year were up like forty percent. In 1:12:53.240 --> 1:12:56.360 considering the fact that it has been bloody cold ever 1:12:56.400 --> 1:12:59.720 since Christmas. That takes a lot of doing to get 1:12:59.720 --> 1:13:01.680 people out on the streets shooting people or in this 1:13:01.720 --> 1:13:04.880 case clubs. Maybe is that a concern and is that 1:13:04.920 --> 1:13:06.639 a concern of the hot summer to come? 1:13:07.840 --> 1:13:10.560 Sure, it absolutely is. I mean we did see a 1:13:10.640 --> 1:13:12.719 little bit of spike in a little bit warmer weather, 1:13:12.760 --> 1:13:16.200 which I'm sure it probably contributed to more people being 1:13:16.240 --> 1:13:19.080 out and of course had alcohol and guns at at 1:13:19.120 --> 1:13:21.959 a nightclub and you know that's is a recipe for disaster. 1:13:22.640 --> 1:13:24.519 But yeah, it is very concerning that it's still this 1:13:24.720 --> 1:13:27.320 cold and you know we're seeing you know, I mean, 1:13:27.360 --> 1:13:30.679 we're up to ten homicides already this year. That's certainly concerning. 1:13:31.200 --> 1:13:33.000 Yeah, how do we compare it to other cities like like, 1:13:33.040 --> 1:13:34.920 for example, Cleveland or maybe Columbus. 1:13:35.960 --> 1:13:38.880 You know, it's ironic. I was reading an article and 1:13:39.240 --> 1:13:42.240 talked to the Columbus e FIP president who's a friend 1:13:42.240 --> 1:13:45.160 of mine, and Columbus so far this year, which is 1:13:45.200 --> 1:13:48.360 almost twice the size of Cincinnati and typically is much 1:13:48.400 --> 1:13:51.839 more violent, and they're actually they have a big reduction 1:13:51.880 --> 1:13:54.280 in homicides already. I mean they have six, we're at ten. 1:13:54.800 --> 1:13:59.240 That is certainly a troubling trend. I'm not sure what 1:13:59.280 --> 1:14:01.920 to attribute it to, but it is certainly concerning that 1:14:02.720 --> 1:14:05.280 city half the size of Columbus is almost doubling them 1:14:05.280 --> 1:14:06.519 in homicides already this year. 1:14:06.600 --> 1:14:09.679 Yeah, they're metro areas that were huge. Our birds are bigger, 1:14:09.680 --> 1:14:12.320 but the sides of the city itself is massive, and 1:14:12.360 --> 1:14:16.120 they've had ten. Yeah, I look at it, go wow, 1:14:16.560 --> 1:14:18.479 what's causing this? Because you really have to work hard 1:14:18.479 --> 1:14:20.519 to get out in this cold weather. Generally the cold 1:14:20.560 --> 1:14:25.040 scarce street crime away naturally, but you have a fear 1:14:25.080 --> 1:14:26.640 once it starts to warm up and we get into 1:14:26.680 --> 1:14:29.479 the summer celebration season that we might see a very 1:14:29.520 --> 1:14:31.560 bloody summer. It doesn't mean that that's not going to 1:14:31.600 --> 1:14:33.760 reverse course, but it certainly is something we should be 1:14:33.760 --> 1:14:34.200 looking at. 1:14:35.320 --> 1:14:35.400 Well. 1:14:35.479 --> 1:14:38.280 Yeah, you know, and it's I talked about this at 1:14:38.360 --> 1:14:41.160 nauseum now and how the court system is not doing 1:14:41.200 --> 1:14:44.400 anything to protect the community. I just had an officer 1:14:44.479 --> 1:14:48.559 call me this past week. It was just furious. He 1:14:48.640 --> 1:14:53.320 had a court case where a young man driving drunk 1:14:54.120 --> 1:14:58.120 hits and kills somebody aggravated vehicular homicide literally kills somebody 1:14:58.200 --> 1:15:02.479 driving a car. He ends up getting six months at 1:15:02.560 --> 1:15:06.680 River City in a three years of probation. I mean 1:15:06.720 --> 1:15:08.800 literally a slap on the rift. You know, I spent 1:15:09.240 --> 1:15:11.640 a couple of years in our traffic unit back in 1:15:11.640 --> 1:15:14.679 the early two thousands, where if you got a conviction 1:15:14.760 --> 1:15:17.400 for an aggravated vikio homicide, you took somebody's life because 1:15:17.439 --> 1:15:20.280 you were drunk, you were high, whatever else, you were 1:15:20.280 --> 1:15:22.840 looking at minimum five six years in prison. 1:15:23.040 --> 1:15:24.440 Yeah, and now. 1:15:24.600 --> 1:15:27.559 Six months, six months, and this person's going to be 1:15:27.560 --> 1:15:29.920 back running around on the streets. You know, when there 1:15:29.920 --> 1:15:33.800 are no consequences for your actions. This is exactly what 1:15:33.840 --> 1:15:35.599 we're seeing. I mean, people are just going to continue 1:15:35.640 --> 1:15:37.720 to shoot each other because they're not fearing any kind 1:15:37.720 --> 1:15:38.360 of consequence. 1:15:38.439 --> 1:15:41.400 Well, no question, we saw the His name was Robert Shall. 1:15:41.479 --> 1:15:43.519 He was charged with murdering the drive by shooting that 1:15:43.720 --> 1:15:46.880 killed Justin Johnson when Thursday Night football was in town 1:15:46.920 --> 1:15:48.360 last year. It was the Bengals name. But you're right 1:15:48.360 --> 1:15:50.200 in front of the end between tavern. This guy's weren't 1:15:50.200 --> 1:15:53.400 an ankle monitor for charges considering a concealed weapon of 1:15:53.479 --> 1:15:56.360 legal gun possession a gun under disability. He got a 1:15:56.400 --> 1:15:58.400 twenty thousand dollars bond, paid ten percent of that in 1:15:58.479 --> 1:16:01.719 electronic monitoring. Back in interview, you know he's around shooting 1:16:01.720 --> 1:16:04.639 people with an ankle monitor on. We also recall the 1:16:04.760 --> 1:16:08.680 pivotal moment at Fountain Square where Shaquille Ferguson said it 1:16:08.720 --> 1:16:10.600 was dell self defense. The people he shot through the 1:16:10.600 --> 1:16:12.840 window of City Bird Chicken were actually armed and pointing 1:16:12.840 --> 1:16:15.280 a gun at him. And that's you know, where people 1:16:15.280 --> 1:16:18.160 are around on Fountain Square. He was put on probation 1:16:18.400 --> 1:16:20.960 a month before for a violent crime. Is this whole 1:16:21.040 --> 1:16:25.919 narrative with judges being two lax and also the enforcement 1:16:25.960 --> 1:16:28.160 and getting people off the streets who are in violation 1:16:28.720 --> 1:16:31.880 of breaking or wearing their ankle monitor outside the alerts 1:16:31.880 --> 1:16:33.599 go off. Have we got any better about that since 1:16:33.640 --> 1:16:34.120 the summer? 1:16:35.360 --> 1:16:35.400 No? 1:16:36.920 --> 1:16:39.880 I think you look at Cincinnati wanted to be a 1:16:39.880 --> 1:16:43.320 sanctuary city. Apparently the Hamilton County Courthouse he's become a 1:16:43.360 --> 1:16:48.080 sanctuary for criminals. There's just no accountability. And as long 1:16:48.120 --> 1:16:50.360 as we continue to see that no accountability, you know, 1:16:50.840 --> 1:16:53.080 if there's no consequences, people are going to go out 1:16:53.080 --> 1:16:54.800 and do whatever they want. They're going to commit violent crime, 1:16:54.880 --> 1:16:57.400 knowing that they're going to be right back out. And 1:16:57.439 --> 1:16:58.559 that's exactly what we're seeing. 1:16:58.760 --> 1:17:00.759 Why do you think judges aren't listening to this outcraft 1:17:00.760 --> 1:17:01.320 from the public. 1:17:03.840 --> 1:17:06.640 I think some of these judges they ran on this, 1:17:06.760 --> 1:17:09.960 they ran on bail reform, they ran on making sure 1:17:10.000 --> 1:17:12.960 that you know, there's this social justice, all of these things, 1:17:12.960 --> 1:17:15.439 so they're not being shy about it. And it's what 1:17:15.479 --> 1:17:18.480 the county's voting for. You know, we had some fantastic 1:17:18.560 --> 1:17:22.320 judges that have recently been you know, kicked out of 1:17:22.320 --> 1:17:26.000 office in exchange for judges who have said, no, we 1:17:26.080 --> 1:17:29.000 want lower no bail, or we're doing cashlest bill, We're 1:17:29.040 --> 1:17:30.960 doing all these things. So it's exactly what they're saying 1:17:31.000 --> 1:17:33.599 they want to do, and for whatever reason, the people 1:17:33.640 --> 1:17:35.960 in the county are going for this, and it's just 1:17:36.000 --> 1:17:38.360 it's making this county much more dangerous and it's going 1:17:38.439 --> 1:17:39.040 to continue to. 1:17:39.520 --> 1:17:41.559 Well, I mean, you know, the county can cover continues 1:17:41.600 --> 1:17:43.280 to vote and look look at it, you know, despite 1:17:43.360 --> 1:17:45.240 the problems with Terry Thigi and we'll get into that 1:17:45.280 --> 1:17:47.160 in just a second. Ball these things and at the 1:17:47.240 --> 1:17:49.120 end of the day, we just elected all the people 1:17:49.240 --> 1:17:51.280 that had a hand on this to begin with, it's 1:17:51.320 --> 1:17:53.560 not a concern for the resident Cincinnati, why should it 1:17:53.600 --> 1:17:54.240 be concerned for you? 1:17:54.280 --> 1:17:57.559 Then one might ask, well, and that's that's the hard 1:17:57.560 --> 1:17:59.920 part is because you know, every police officer, like much 1:18:00.040 --> 1:18:03.800 self Swort, took an oath to protect the communities we serve, right, 1:18:04.000 --> 1:18:06.960 and it's extremely frustrating when you have officers that are 1:18:06.960 --> 1:18:09.320 going out doing great work getting guns off the street. 1:18:09.600 --> 1:18:11.800 You're getting violent offenders off the street, only to be 1:18:11.880 --> 1:18:15.120 let out. Yeah, you know, I'm quite honestly, I am 1:18:15.200 --> 1:18:18.559 surprised that the doors in the courthouse haven't come off 1:18:18.600 --> 1:18:21.439 the tracks because the door is revolving so quickly. Yeah, 1:18:22.600 --> 1:18:26.080 it's just it's it's ridiculous and it's frustrating to see 1:18:26.080 --> 1:18:29.679 that it's going on, and it makes cops feel helpless 1:18:29.680 --> 1:18:30.320 a lot of times. 1:18:30.640 --> 1:18:30.840 Yeah. 1:18:30.920 --> 1:18:33.680 Ken Cober, president of the Queen City Lodge FOP, on 1:18:33.680 --> 1:18:37.759 the show this morning on seven hundred WLW, and talking 1:18:37.760 --> 1:18:39.880 about the shooting last night. We have a steady stated 1:18:39.880 --> 1:18:42.360 of shootings here on North Side and you look at 1:18:42.360 --> 1:18:44.840 that one in particular, Ken, that's troubling because there's a 1:18:44.880 --> 1:18:46.880 business owner. I was watching the news last night. I 1:18:46.920 --> 1:18:49.679 think it was five and this guy owns an appliance 1:18:49.720 --> 1:18:52.160 place and it's in front of his building shot up. 1:18:52.200 --> 1:18:54.360 He said, yeah, it's not the first time he goes. 1:18:54.560 --> 1:18:56.800 I'm thinking about moving off the main strip out of 1:18:56.800 --> 1:18:59.040 the way. You know, here's a community like Norris Side. 1:18:59.080 --> 1:19:02.400 Generally there's crime there, but it's not like the areas 1:19:02.400 --> 1:19:04.880 that typically we see when it's started. When bullets start 1:19:04.880 --> 1:19:07.240 flying around there and people going, hey, listen, I'm out, 1:19:07.840 --> 1:19:10.080 that should be a wake up call to those leading 1:19:10.120 --> 1:19:11.439 our city. 1:19:11.720 --> 1:19:13.719 You would think you would think the elected leaders would 1:19:13.720 --> 1:19:16.759 look at this and see that businesses are frustrated, citizens 1:19:16.760 --> 1:19:19.280 are frustrated, the police are frustrated. Maybe we should change 1:19:19.280 --> 1:19:23.200 our ideology. But then again, you continue to get re elected. 1:19:23.240 --> 1:19:25.760 So apparently, you know, the people that are speaking out 1:19:25.760 --> 1:19:28.200 about crime, the people that are speaking out against the violence, 1:19:28.560 --> 1:19:30.439 or maybe the minority of their voters. 1:19:30.720 --> 1:19:31.120 I don't know. 1:19:31.160 --> 1:19:31.720 I don't get it. 1:19:32.520 --> 1:19:34.200 Yeah, I don't either. I mean, I get it. We 1:19:34.600 --> 1:19:36.479 have to look at you know, we're locking people up 1:19:36.479 --> 1:19:39.040 from marijuana possession and stuff like that, and clearly that 1:19:39.200 --> 1:19:42.640 was wrongheaded. And now we're talking about expunging records and 1:19:42.680 --> 1:19:44.640 banning the box. I have no problem with that. But 1:19:44.720 --> 1:19:47.360 when someone picks up the gun and commission of a 1:19:47.360 --> 1:19:50.759 crime of a violent felony and then they get released 1:19:50.760 --> 1:19:53.519 on their own recognizance to go out and do it again, 1:19:53.880 --> 1:19:56.040 they completely thumb their nose at the system. I mean, 1:19:56.080 --> 1:19:58.840 you're past the point of reform. I would think at 1:19:58.840 --> 1:20:00.360 that case, if you didn't learn your leus in the 1:20:00.439 --> 1:20:02.880 first time, why are we giving you a second chance. 1:20:02.920 --> 1:20:05.160 I think that's fair. I think most people in Cincinnati's 1:20:05.240 --> 1:20:07.040 voters look at that and go, yeah, that that seems 1:20:07.040 --> 1:20:08.880 about right. If you're going to be a predator with 1:20:08.960 --> 1:20:11.479 a weapon, uh, and you don't get the message the 1:20:11.479 --> 1:20:14.240 first time and you do it literally, why you're well, 1:20:14.280 --> 1:20:16.160 you just got to you walked out. Of course, someone 1:20:16.240 --> 1:20:19.240 just right coun walked out of court basically and reviolated 1:20:19.520 --> 1:20:21.959 after promising they'd get a job and be on community 1:20:21.960 --> 1:20:24.360 controlling all these wonderful things they promised. A judge, I'm 1:20:24.360 --> 1:20:26.439 sorry when you break it. I don't think there should 1:20:26.439 --> 1:20:27.160 be a third chance. 1:20:28.400 --> 1:20:31.880 No, I completely agree. I absolutely agree with you. And 1:20:31.960 --> 1:20:34.800 unfortunately that is not the ideology of many of these 1:20:34.880 --> 1:20:37.560 judges in Hamilton County, and there is going to be 1:20:37.560 --> 1:20:40.760 a direct correlation between a bloody summer and you know, 1:20:40.800 --> 1:20:43.160 these criminals not being held accountable. We're going to see 1:20:43.160 --> 1:20:45.120 a time and time again. I'm mean, look at you know, 1:20:45.240 --> 1:20:48.320 just just from the city aspect. You know, they just 1:20:48.400 --> 1:20:51.680 re elected all the city council, you know, the mayor. Yeah, 1:20:51.760 --> 1:20:54.280 and it was said, look, we're this is we're all 1:20:54.320 --> 1:20:58.040 for cashless bail, we're all for our bonds, and they 1:20:58.080 --> 1:21:01.240 vote them. So it's clearly this is what they want. Yeah, 1:21:01.280 --> 1:21:02.400 So this is what they're gonna get. 1:21:02.600 --> 1:21:04.200 This is the effect of that too. And it's certainly 1:21:04.280 --> 1:21:07.360 not everyone, but it's enough towards a steady drum beat. 1:21:07.360 --> 1:21:09.599 And the crime numbers are going back up again a 1:21:09.760 --> 1:21:11.800 very very small sample, and you're talking in different fan 1:21:11.920 --> 1:21:14.120 like seven last year and ten this year. But still 1:21:14.439 --> 1:21:16.599 it's not the right trajectory and it's not a good 1:21:16.600 --> 1:21:19.920 look for these folks. I'll also ask too that you know, 1:21:20.000 --> 1:21:22.640 if if all of this stuff about getting rid of 1:21:22.680 --> 1:21:26.360 Terry Thiji was driven by the rise and crime, the 1:21:26.360 --> 1:21:29.120 problem if the numbers are going back up again, is 1:21:29.160 --> 1:21:31.479 this all on Terry Thigi And not only that, the 1:21:31.479 --> 1:21:33.200 fact of the matters. I think the Inquirer just did 1:21:33.200 --> 1:21:35.080 a piece on this. The other day, going what what 1:21:35.200 --> 1:21:37.960 is good? The contract's going to expire with the local 1:21:38.040 --> 1:21:42.120 law firm with' taft in literally just a week or so. 1:21:42.160 --> 1:21:43.920 That said, hey, we got to get this thing wrapped up. 1:21:43.960 --> 1:21:47.479 And there's still nothing coming out about She's still the 1:21:47.560 --> 1:21:50.640 chief technically, and Henny is still the interim chief. That 1:21:50.680 --> 1:21:52.559 doesn't look like it's changed anytime soon. I meant, how 1:21:52.640 --> 1:21:54.599 much longer do you have to investigate to find out 1:21:54.640 --> 1:21:56.120 why you fired her in the first place. 1:21:58.439 --> 1:22:00.720 It's funny. Trying to blame it in the chief of 1:22:00.720 --> 1:22:04.799 police for crime is like blaming McDonald's for somebody being obese. 1:22:06.280 --> 1:22:09.040 It's it's nonsense. You know, there's only so many things 1:22:09.040 --> 1:22:10.760 the police chief can do. There's only so much that 1:22:10.800 --> 1:22:12.960 the police can do here. We're one hundred and forty 1:22:13.040 --> 1:22:15.040 hundred and fifty officers short. Can't be everywhere. At the 1:22:15.080 --> 1:22:17.600 same time, you know, at some point there's going to 1:22:17.680 --> 1:22:20.400 have to be a culture shift within the city of 1:22:20.400 --> 1:22:22.880 Cincinnati to say, you know what, we're going to find 1:22:22.920 --> 1:22:25.120 a way to resolve our differences instead of picking up 1:22:25.120 --> 1:22:29.120 a gun because we're upset with somebody. And until that changes, 1:22:29.800 --> 1:22:31.840 you know, we're going to see kind of the same thing, 1:22:31.880 --> 1:22:34.519 and then until judges decide, you know what, if you're 1:22:34.560 --> 1:22:36.559 carrying a gun and you're committing a violent crime, you're 1:22:36.560 --> 1:22:37.880 going to go to prison and you're going to go 1:22:37.960 --> 1:22:40.519 there for a long time. Until those things change and 1:22:40.600 --> 1:22:43.960 it's actually publicized. Yeah, I'd love to see the headlines of, 1:22:44.320 --> 1:22:48.320 you know, the latest homicide suspect, you know is going 1:22:48.360 --> 1:22:51.200 to spend the next thirty years in prison for taking 1:22:51.240 --> 1:22:55.200 somebody's life. Now, that might actually get somebody's attention. But 1:22:55.320 --> 1:22:57.960 until then, all of these headlines of you know, four 1:22:57.960 --> 1:23:01.320 people shot here, two people shot here, it's almost become 1:23:01.439 --> 1:23:04.840 just like background noise. I think people are so desensitized 1:23:05.280 --> 1:23:06.760 to all they're like tall. They wake up and see 1:23:06.760 --> 1:23:09.520 there is oh, oh, big surprise, there's another shooting in Cincinnati, 1:23:09.840 --> 1:23:14.400 and somehow it's become acceptable. And until that changes, until 1:23:14.439 --> 1:23:17.559 that mindset changes of look, we actually value human life 1:23:17.880 --> 1:23:20.599 and we're not going to tolerate this nonsense. And it 1:23:20.640 --> 1:23:23.200 starts with elective officials, it starts with these judges. Until 1:23:23.200 --> 1:23:25.840 those things change, you're going to continue to see the 1:23:25.960 --> 1:23:27.200 same thing over and over. 1:23:27.520 --> 1:23:31.479 Well, relative to the Chief Fiji investigation, that she's still 1:23:31.479 --> 1:23:34.080 hanging and twisting in the wind because she is technically 1:23:34.160 --> 1:23:36.400 not fired, well not fired at all, because we've got 1:23:36.439 --> 1:23:38.519 to find an investigation as to why we fired in 1:23:38.560 --> 1:23:41.640 the first place. I think does that hamstring things for 1:23:41.720 --> 1:23:44.519 you in a sense that you know, we've got well, 1:23:44.600 --> 1:23:46.280 we've got to do more research to find out why 1:23:46.320 --> 1:23:48.040 we fired in the first place. That's not a good 1:23:48.240 --> 1:23:49.840 I don't think that sits well. And maybe they just 1:23:49.840 --> 1:23:51.840 hope we forget about it. But the other element of 1:23:51.880 --> 1:23:55.400 this is is Adam Henny, who through all in accounts 1:23:55.439 --> 1:23:57.160 that I here is a good guy. He just how 1:23:57.240 --> 1:23:59.439 much juice could he have if he's still the interim chief. 1:24:00.400 --> 1:24:03.839 You're absolutely correct, you know, it's it's doing a disservice 1:24:03.880 --> 1:24:06.080 to him. It's doing a disservice to all the other 1:24:06.120 --> 1:24:08.360 men and women that were in this uniform that we're 1:24:08.360 --> 1:24:09.920 all We're all just kind of in limbo right now. 1:24:09.920 --> 1:24:12.000 It's like, okay, well, you know, he's the interim chief, 1:24:12.479 --> 1:24:15.719 so there's some changes that he can make, but any 1:24:15.800 --> 1:24:20.200 any change of any real, real, uh substance isn't going 1:24:20.280 --> 1:24:22.680 to happen until we have a permanent chief. And I 1:24:22.800 --> 1:24:24.679 understand that, but we're just going to keep on dragging 1:24:24.680 --> 1:24:26.800 this along. You know, who knows what's going to happen 1:24:26.840 --> 1:24:28.680 at the end of this month, and then you know 1:24:28.800 --> 1:24:31.240 where do we go from there? Are they gonna are 1:24:31.240 --> 1:24:32.559 they going to bring her back or are they going 1:24:32.640 --> 1:24:34.719 to say, okay, well you know Adams now the chief 1:24:34.840 --> 1:24:37.280 who knows well. But this this just keeps on dragging. 1:24:37.400 --> 1:24:40.000 It's also not unlike the you know, the the what 1:24:40.160 --> 1:24:42.959 happened over the summer too, with the big fight downtown 1:24:43.080 --> 1:24:45.559 after the music festival, and like that case just simply 1:24:45.600 --> 1:24:48.639 no one's talking about. It's just simply evaporated. We're waiting 1:24:48.680 --> 1:24:50.960 for Yeah, the testament it came out from the prosecute 1:24:50.960 --> 1:24:53.479 off was like, well, it wasn't the racial beatdown that 1:24:53.520 --> 1:24:56.240 we thought it was. Actually the white guy was a victim. 1:24:56.320 --> 1:24:58.639 And ever since then, the people who have called for, 1:24:58.920 --> 1:25:00.720 you know, the heads of white peop people essentially we've 1:25:00.720 --> 1:25:02.720 got to prosecute this guy like everybody else turns out 1:25:02.760 --> 1:25:04.760 there now no one's talking about. It's just still like 1:25:04.760 --> 1:25:06.680 simply f I've never seen a case that big go 1:25:06.760 --> 1:25:11.240 away and literally in the corners of hush conversations around 1:25:11.240 --> 1:25:13.040 the city, that's all you hear. But no one's talking 1:25:13.080 --> 1:25:15.440 about that either it's I wouldn't call it a conspiracy 1:25:15.479 --> 1:25:17.320 or cover up because you can't do that. But I 1:25:17.560 --> 1:25:21.080 think the THEIJI case in this are remarkably similar is that, yeah, 1:25:21.080 --> 1:25:24.040 it doesn't fit the narrative and kind of made it 1:25:24.040 --> 1:25:24.400 go away. 1:25:25.720 --> 1:25:27.360 Well, sure, you know, they put they put the cart 1:25:27.400 --> 1:25:29.519 before the horse, and then all of a sudden, now 1:25:29.520 --> 1:25:31.160 they're trying to backtrack and figure out, Okay, what do 1:25:31.160 --> 1:25:34.400 we do now? We put ourselves in a bad, bad predicament, 1:25:34.880 --> 1:25:36.160 and what do we do now? 1:25:36.320 --> 1:25:39.640 Yeah? Yeah, Also with the cameras, right, we had to 1:25:39.760 --> 1:25:42.200 for the first shooting at the Laurel Playground a couple 1:25:42.240 --> 1:25:44.400 of years ago. Uh, the cry was, hey, we're gonna 1:25:44.400 --> 1:25:46.160 put cameras all over. Well we didn't do that, and 1:25:46.200 --> 1:25:49.120 another eleven year old died in New Year's Day and 1:25:49.400 --> 1:25:52.440 still there was no you know, it's confusing, it's contradictory. 1:25:52.520 --> 1:25:54.960 We're getting, you know, double speak, and I don't know 1:25:54.960 --> 1:25:57.000 are the cameras going out but I thought I saw 1:25:57.040 --> 1:25:58.040 they were, but I don't know. 1:25:59.479 --> 1:26:04.640 Yeah. Ironically enough, Chief Henny put together a group of 1:26:05.000 --> 1:26:07.880 police officers that this isn't really their job to be 1:26:07.920 --> 1:26:10.960 doing these things, but most of them have a really 1:26:11.720 --> 1:26:14.719 substantial it background and know how to do these things 1:26:15.400 --> 1:26:18.559 that they've actually taken from their assignments, put them in 1:26:18.600 --> 1:26:22.879 a group together and have been going out and installing cameras. 1:26:23.479 --> 1:26:26.280 This has typically not been the job of sworn officers, 1:26:27.280 --> 1:26:30.000 but they're they're making it work, and I know a 1:26:30.000 --> 1:26:32.240 lot of it has been done very quickly. They've worked 1:26:32.240 --> 1:26:34.639 a lot of hours to try to get all these 1:26:34.680 --> 1:26:36.960 cameras functioning and to take the new cameras that they 1:26:37.000 --> 1:26:40.120 have and get them up. But while that's being done, 1:26:40.240 --> 1:26:43.720 then their normal job is suffering, just because you know, 1:26:43.760 --> 1:26:46.439 they can't obviously can't be two places at the same time. 1:26:46.560 --> 1:26:49.720 So I mean, they're they're just trying to make make 1:26:49.760 --> 1:26:51.800 it work with what the resources that they have, which 1:26:51.840 --> 1:26:54.000 it is certainly admirable that they're getting it done. 1:26:54.080 --> 1:26:56.240 All right, Well, we'll leave it there. Way to shooting 1:26:56.240 --> 1:26:59.200 on Valentine's Day and a party bus, one dead, one wounded. 1:26:59.280 --> 1:27:02.600 Sunday morning, one north side gun play breaks out for 1:27:02.800 --> 1:27:06.320 a club, Bullets flying over the street. Some of the 1:27:06.360 --> 1:27:09.720 buildings themselves and storefronts are hit with you can just 1:27:09.800 --> 1:27:14.360 see the broken glass and the remains of the shooting itself. 1:27:14.400 --> 1:27:17.599 To what two people killed, two injured there, and then 1:27:17.680 --> 1:27:20.160 last night they found a body of a female dumped 1:27:20.160 --> 1:27:23.479 at Lynn and Poplar Street. So the bloody cold weather, 1:27:23.520 --> 1:27:25.840 it doesn't really make a lot of sense, but we're 1:27:25.880 --> 1:27:28.000 starting to see a spike in these violent crimes and 1:27:28.080 --> 1:27:31.040 murders despite the fact we've had an extremely cold struck. 1:27:31.120 --> 1:27:32.880 Normally it doesn't happen. It makes and I think it's 1:27:32.880 --> 1:27:35.000 fair to ask, well, crap, if it's this cold and 1:27:35.000 --> 1:27:38.080 the weather's is bad and there's still we're still seeing 1:27:38.160 --> 1:27:41.040 a rate of homicides increasing over the first two months 1:27:41.040 --> 1:27:43.439 of the year, that begs the question, well, what about 1:27:43.479 --> 1:27:45.639 when it gets warmer? Are we in for a bloody summer? 1:27:45.640 --> 1:27:48.519 We hope not, and hopefully we'll find a way through this. 1:27:48.640 --> 1:27:51.080 Ken Kober, president of the Queen City's Lodge the FOP, 1:27:51.160 --> 1:27:53.200 thanks again for jumping on this morning. Brother appreciates you 1:27:53.240 --> 1:27:56.640 be well, sure appreciate take care. We got to get 1:27:56.640 --> 1:27:59.679 a news update in the very latest with the weather situation. 1:28:00.040 --> 1:28:01.680 Warm it up now. It feels great outside, but we 1:28:01.760 --> 1:28:03.320 got a lot of fog again this morning. And of 1:28:03.320 --> 1:28:06.559 course the passing of Jesse Jackson making news today dead 1:28:06.560 --> 1:28:08.400 at the age of eighty four, Scott's Loan Show. This 1:28:08.439 --> 1:28:11.320 is seven hundred w time to talk. 1:28:11.120 --> 1:28:13.920 About money, how to make it, how to keep it, 1:28:14.160 --> 1:28:21.080 and how to keep others off your stash. This is 1:28:21.160 --> 1:28:24.519 all Worth Advice with Andy Schaeffer. Andy Shaffer's here on 1:28:24.560 --> 1:28:25.840 this Tuesday morning. Welcome buddy. 1:28:25.880 --> 1:28:27.080 How are you great, Scott? 1:28:27.120 --> 1:28:27.360 How are you? 1:28:27.640 --> 1:28:29.920 I'm doing fine. Let's talk a little cash money here. 1:28:29.960 --> 1:28:31.680 Earlier in the show ten oh seven, if you missed it, 1:28:31.720 --> 1:28:34.479 Greg Lastin's here again from the Buckeye Institute and he 1:28:34.560 --> 1:28:38.120 has been testifying a lot in front of the state legislature. 1:28:38.880 --> 1:28:41.759 We have another bill, I think the third as many 1:28:42.040 --> 1:28:44.760 bills that are out there to try and figure out 1:28:44.800 --> 1:28:47.400 what AI looks like in Ohio. Bottom line is we 1:28:47.479 --> 1:28:51.559 have data centers, we have AI, as I mentioned, electric vehicles, 1:28:51.600 --> 1:28:54.880 we have crypto heck, we have advanced manufacturing we've talked 1:28:54.880 --> 1:28:57.920 about which is the future of Ohio and getting and 1:28:58.000 --> 1:29:00.720 keeping jobs here. We're in the top in the US 1:29:00.800 --> 1:29:02.720 right now for data centers and we want to be 1:29:02.800 --> 1:29:06.720 number one. That also means the awkward dealing with communities, 1:29:06.760 --> 1:29:08.360 not that that's a bad thing. We should have a 1:29:08.479 --> 1:29:11.639 say in what's in our backyard. And there's concerns over 1:29:11.680 --> 1:29:13.200 how fast it's growing. We going to make sure we 1:29:13.200 --> 1:29:14.800 get it right because you only have one bite at 1:29:14.800 --> 1:29:17.920 the apple that in particular, but we also look at 1:29:17.960 --> 1:29:20.200 our energy bills and you go, holy crap. You know, 1:29:20.240 --> 1:29:22.439 the Duke bill comes in, You're like, good, what it's 1:29:22.439 --> 1:29:24.479 like a mortgage. It's like a card payment right now. 1:29:24.640 --> 1:29:29.400 And Greg said earlier data centers alone are projected to 1:29:29.439 --> 1:29:32.360 consume nearly ten percent of US electricity by twenty thirty. 1:29:32.439 --> 1:29:34.840 So we're seeing this growth and it's just it's got 1:29:34.840 --> 1:29:37.280 a hockey stick up. That means the price of energy 1:29:37.320 --> 1:29:39.519 for all of us are going up, and that's a 1:29:39.640 --> 1:29:41.559 major concern as we plan for our future. 1:29:42.040 --> 1:29:44.080 Yeah, and I think that it's important for us to 1:29:44.200 --> 1:29:47.040 understand what kind of infrastructure is going to be necessary. 1:29:47.280 --> 1:29:49.799 I know that data centers right now are a hot topic. 1:29:49.960 --> 1:29:54.080 They are necessary for moving forward and continuing to advance 1:29:54.160 --> 1:29:56.600 our own economy and our society. You know, with the 1:29:57.200 --> 1:29:59.720 emergence of AI, they're going to be particularly important. So 1:29:59.760 --> 1:30:02.799 I think, from you know, a point of view in Washington, 1:30:03.040 --> 1:30:05.120 you know, the most important thing is figuring out the 1:30:05.160 --> 1:30:06.680 best way to get out in front of this, to 1:30:06.680 --> 1:30:08.800 make sure that we do have energy that's available for 1:30:08.840 --> 1:30:12.000 everybody that's at a decent costs, so that we can 1:30:12.040 --> 1:30:14.200 all thrive. You know, AI in general is a hot 1:30:14.240 --> 1:30:17.280 topic right now. People are really concerned about, you know, 1:30:17.280 --> 1:30:19.040 what does it mean, What does it mean for my job? 1:30:19.360 --> 1:30:20.920 How is it going to be implemented? You know, what 1:30:21.040 --> 1:30:23.639 is the cost you know to supply this type of 1:30:24.280 --> 1:30:26.400 technology to everybody? And data centers are going to be 1:30:26.439 --> 1:30:28.360 a big part of that. You know, we did see 1:30:28.439 --> 1:30:31.360 last week that stocks, particularly tech, had a rough week. 1:30:31.439 --> 1:30:33.839 The S and P and Nasdaq both were down sharply, 1:30:34.760 --> 1:30:36.439 and a lot of it has to do to tech 1:30:36.479 --> 1:30:39.479 and AI warnings. You know, there's weak guidance, there's sector rotation. 1:30:39.960 --> 1:30:41.519 You know that hurt a lot of the sentiment. But 1:30:41.880 --> 1:30:43.719 you know, it's going to be interesting to see moving forward. 1:30:43.840 --> 1:30:46.960 You know, and from a social perspective, these data centers 1:30:47.000 --> 1:30:49.000 are enormous and I know that there is a little 1:30:49.000 --> 1:30:51.880 bit of pushback from different communities that don't want these 1:30:51.920 --> 1:30:54.599 around in their area, but we all need them and 1:30:54.680 --> 1:30:56.600 so hopefully we have a lot of smart people that 1:30:56.640 --> 1:30:58.479 are trying to figure out the solution to the problem. 1:30:58.640 --> 1:31:03.519 Yeah, from money standpoint here, I'm sure that people wanted 1:31:03.560 --> 1:31:05.840 to put their money and forward growing and you know, 1:31:06.080 --> 1:31:08.160 the boom and energy. We just don't know where to 1:31:08.200 --> 1:31:10.200 do it right. It's we want to find the next Tesla, 1:31:10.240 --> 1:31:12.880 we find the next Apple, and it seems to be 1:31:12.920 --> 1:31:15.760 in the generation, but in particular the transmission business. 1:31:16.200 --> 1:31:18.240 Yeah, and I think, you know, with the transmission business, 1:31:18.240 --> 1:31:20.360 that could be a big area as well. But fortunately, 1:31:20.400 --> 1:31:23.639 I think most people are probably invested in a lot 1:31:23.680 --> 1:31:26.960 of these different energy sectors and might not even realize it. 1:31:27.200 --> 1:31:29.240 If you have a pretty well diversified four one K, 1:31:30.040 --> 1:31:31.960 it's likely within a lot of those funds you have 1:31:32.040 --> 1:31:37.799 significant exposure to technology, infrastructure, energy, those types of things. 1:31:38.240 --> 1:31:40.160 You know, you probably look under the hood and see 1:31:40.160 --> 1:31:42.679 what you actually own, whether it's mutual funds or exchange 1:31:42.720 --> 1:31:44.519 rate of funds, and see where you're at. You know, 1:31:44.560 --> 1:31:47.040 to me, I think you know, the market is responding 1:31:47.080 --> 1:31:50.880 a lot to the uncertainty within technology. There was a 1:31:51.560 --> 1:31:54.559 post written by a tech entrepreneur, his name is Matt 1:31:54.560 --> 1:31:57.679 Schumer that went viral. It was titled something Big is Happening, 1:31:58.120 --> 1:32:01.839 and what that had to do with was his idea 1:32:01.960 --> 1:32:04.800 that AI is going to be the death of the 1:32:04.840 --> 1:32:08.120 American job particularly in the white collar industry, and it 1:32:08.200 --> 1:32:11.680 got over eighty million views. That had a little bit 1:32:11.720 --> 1:32:14.679 to do with the downturn in tech last week. Now, 1:32:15.160 --> 1:32:18.719 I don't think there is any objective information that suggests 1:32:18.760 --> 1:32:22.559 that that could actually happen. This was more antidotal than 1:32:22.600 --> 1:32:25.240 anything else, and more of an opinion. You know, when 1:32:25.240 --> 1:32:28.160 we look at these selloffs that we've had over the 1:32:28.280 --> 1:32:30.479 last year, and even over the last month, we had 1:32:30.760 --> 1:32:33.439 you know, you know, a downturn in April. We also 1:32:33.520 --> 1:32:37.040 had some uncertainty with Oracle, and some of these things 1:32:37.080 --> 1:32:40.000 have already continued to come back, and so I think 1:32:40.040 --> 1:32:43.640 we don't want to overreact and panic just because that 1:32:43.680 --> 1:32:47.880 we have opinion pieces where somebody is you know, overall 1:32:48.120 --> 1:32:49.920 you know, predicting doom and gloom. 1:32:50.040 --> 1:32:52.120 Yeah, okay, and so you see this, you go, we 1:32:52.120 --> 1:32:54.240 had a little setback with tech, you know, the S 1:32:54.280 --> 1:32:56.880 and p NASDAC both down sharply last week, and the 1:32:56.960 --> 1:33:00.640 question would be why, And it's all AI driven. So 1:33:00.760 --> 1:33:03.760 take me through. Maybe it's a case where people look 1:33:03.800 --> 1:33:05.280 at and go, Okay, this is all great and it's 1:33:05.320 --> 1:33:07.639 the future, but when can I make money when lets 1:33:07.680 --> 1:33:08.840 started making a profit here? 1:33:09.160 --> 1:33:11.080 Well, I think that people have. 1:33:11.720 --> 1:33:13.280 You know, when you look at your four to one 1:33:13.360 --> 1:33:16.479 K over the last three years, you know we've had 1:33:16.600 --> 1:33:19.240 tremendous returns from an S and P standpoint, Well, the 1:33:19.320 --> 1:33:25.080 driver of that growth has been AI, Nvidian, particular, Microsoft, 1:33:25.439 --> 1:33:28.280 a lot of these tech companies were the reason that 1:33:28.320 --> 1:33:30.559 we've had significant gains in the markets over the last 1:33:30.560 --> 1:33:33.040 three years. So you know, if you're invested, we've all 1:33:33.080 --> 1:33:35.040 been benefiting from it over the last three years. And 1:33:35.120 --> 1:33:36.639 as long as you stayed in the market, you've been 1:33:36.720 --> 1:33:39.280 reaping these benefits. So when we look at kind of 1:33:39.280 --> 1:33:41.040 the metrics of AI, you know, where do we go 1:33:41.120 --> 1:33:44.240 from here? Is it something that we think that the 1:33:44.320 --> 1:33:47.520 prices continue to rise and the companies continue to be profitable, 1:33:47.640 --> 1:33:50.320 or do we feel like, hey, this might take my job. 1:33:50.520 --> 1:33:53.080 There's even talks of you know, white collar jobs being 1:33:53.120 --> 1:33:56.680 taken because you can instantly access this information and it 1:33:56.720 --> 1:33:59.280 will just regurgitate, you know, whatever you need to know 1:33:59.320 --> 1:34:01.439 from a financial standpoint of things that you need to do. 1:34:01.640 --> 1:34:01.880 Well. 1:34:02.320 --> 1:34:03.920 You know, I push back on that a little bit. 1:34:04.600 --> 1:34:06.880 You know, there's a lot of skepticism around whether it's 1:34:06.880 --> 1:34:10.200 going to take white collar jobs or you know, in 1:34:10.240 --> 1:34:12.040 any of the industries. And the reason is is that 1:34:12.080 --> 1:34:14.760 we don't have any information that suggested that. Going back 1:34:14.760 --> 1:34:16.880 into two thousand when we had the internet boom, there 1:34:16.960 --> 1:34:19.439 was you know, a big fear there as well. And 1:34:19.520 --> 1:34:21.919 I think with a lot of these white collar businesses, 1:34:21.920 --> 1:34:25.519 which you don't take into account is the subjectivity of 1:34:25.560 --> 1:34:27.680 the work that they do, right. You know, I can 1:34:27.720 --> 1:34:31.519 certainly tell somebody the math into making good decisions from 1:34:31.600 --> 1:34:34.400 an investment standpoint, or whether it makes more sense to 1:34:34.920 --> 1:34:37.240 buy a car with cash or finance it, right, but 1:34:37.640 --> 1:34:38.840 there's subjectivity there. 1:34:38.880 --> 1:34:40.840 What makes you feel good? You know, how much money 1:34:40.880 --> 1:34:41.320 do you have? 1:34:41.520 --> 1:34:43.680 If you don't like to have that, even though the 1:34:43.720 --> 1:34:46.000 math says that you should probably finance it, maybe it 1:34:46.000 --> 1:34:46.880 does make sense for you. 1:34:46.840 --> 1:34:47.840 To pay it off with cash. 1:34:48.040 --> 1:34:50.080 So those are the types of things that AI is 1:34:50.080 --> 1:34:53.200 not able to generate. Is the emotional support and the 1:34:53.240 --> 1:34:55.840 subjective advice a lot of white collar people give to 1:34:56.280 --> 1:34:57.200 the everyday citizen. 1:34:57.240 --> 1:34:59.360 Hey, let's face it, we've heard this time and time 1:34:59.400 --> 1:35:01.639 and time again. With new technology, that's all my god, 1:35:01.640 --> 1:35:02.960 all these jobs are going to go away, and it 1:35:03.320 --> 1:35:05.479 just creates jobs that we haven't invented yet. 1:35:05.600 --> 1:35:06.080 That's right. 1:35:06.280 --> 1:35:08.439 Yeah, And you know, just like any industry. We've seen 1:35:08.439 --> 1:35:10.559 this in the Industrial Revolution with you know, when we 1:35:10.600 --> 1:35:13.719 started having you know a lot of mechanics that people 1:35:13.760 --> 1:35:16.080 thought were going to take their jobs and ultimately it 1:35:16.200 --> 1:35:18.960 just created other jobs. And I think from a consumer 1:35:19.000 --> 1:35:23.080 standpoint and from a citizen standpoint, most workers just need 1:35:23.120 --> 1:35:25.439 to be able to adapt now, and this isn't something 1:35:25.479 --> 1:35:28.160 that's going to happen overnight. You know, there's no data 1:35:28.200 --> 1:35:30.599 out there that suggests that we're going to have AI 1:35:30.760 --> 1:35:32.600 start to cut a lot of jobs. There's been a 1:35:32.640 --> 1:35:37.800 lot of surveys done with executives and major industries that say, yeah, 1:35:37.800 --> 1:35:39.479 and we might not be hiring a little bit more, 1:35:39.520 --> 1:35:41.840 but we're not really cutting jobs due to AI. You know, 1:35:41.880 --> 1:35:45.720 there might be two percent cuts broadly across you know, 1:35:45.800 --> 1:35:48.680 all different companies and sectors, but we don't see any 1:35:48.760 --> 1:35:50.920 data that would suggest that. So I think for the consumer, 1:35:50.960 --> 1:35:54.280 it's about hey, over the next ten fifteen years, I 1:35:54.360 --> 1:35:57.000 might have to adapt to learn new skills and be 1:35:57.080 --> 1:35:59.720 able to adjust, but I don't foresee this being the 1:35:59.800 --> 1:36:00.639 end of. 1:36:01.080 --> 1:36:02.599 Modern employment, right right. 1:36:02.640 --> 1:36:05.800 Andy Schaeffer from all Worth Financial simply money tonight at 1:36:05.840 --> 1:36:08.800 six and fifty five KRC just a little weekly tune 1:36:08.880 --> 1:36:11.639 up here from AI and the boom here in Ohio 1:36:11.720 --> 1:36:14.360 that we're seeing with building anyway that you'd read benefits. 1:36:14.960 --> 1:36:18.519 Let's get into the January inflation report, and we had 1:36:18.640 --> 1:36:20.640 kind of soft landing. Did we stick the landing to 1:36:20.640 --> 1:36:21.920 steal Olympic brains? 1:36:22.360 --> 1:36:22.599 Yeah? 1:36:22.600 --> 1:36:23.920 I mean we're getting there. 1:36:24.000 --> 1:36:24.160 You know. 1:36:24.240 --> 1:36:28.439 I wasn't very thrilled with Jerome Pou in the FED 1:36:28.920 --> 1:36:30.840 coming out of the pandemic. I thought we were a 1:36:30.880 --> 1:36:33.559 little bit too slow to start raising interest rates. And 1:36:33.960 --> 1:36:36.200 you know the effect of that was twenty twenty two 1:36:36.280 --> 1:36:39.640 was very hard for markets. Not only were stocks down significantly, 1:36:39.680 --> 1:36:42.120 but bonds were down too. So really the only thing 1:36:42.160 --> 1:36:44.720 that performed well in twenty two was cash. And so 1:36:45.040 --> 1:36:47.200 let's push that a little bit forward. You know, the 1:36:47.240 --> 1:36:50.200 soft landing that we've seen over the last year, year 1:36:50.200 --> 1:36:53.000 and a half, two years, I think has been very effective. 1:36:53.080 --> 1:36:55.479 We were in a delicate dance of, you know, how 1:36:55.560 --> 1:36:58.320 quickly do we start cutting rates? You know, if we 1:36:58.360 --> 1:37:00.880 cut too fast, that could reignite it inflation. We certainly 1:37:00.920 --> 1:37:02.800 didn't want to do that, but you know, we had 1:37:02.880 --> 1:37:05.600 annual inflation coming at two point four percent, you know, 1:37:05.640 --> 1:37:08.200 and that was better than what economists expected. And that's 1:37:08.200 --> 1:37:10.800 the smallest year of year rise and core prices since 1:37:11.320 --> 1:37:14.640 you know, we saw the surge in twenty twenty one. Furthermore, 1:37:14.720 --> 1:37:16.519 you know, we're going to get some housing data this week, 1:37:16.560 --> 1:37:19.120 and the housing data has been the stickiest part of 1:37:19.120 --> 1:37:24.000 inflation overall. And come Friday, I'm sorry, come tomorrow, Actually 1:37:24.000 --> 1:37:26.000 it's going to be Wednesday. You know, We're going to 1:37:26.080 --> 1:37:27.240 get a lot of that data and I'm going to 1:37:27.240 --> 1:37:29.160 be really curious to see what it shows, and it 1:37:29.240 --> 1:37:31.479 might suggest that inflation is still coming down. 1:37:32.240 --> 1:37:34.960 Okay, So what was the biggest cost in when you 1:37:34.960 --> 1:37:37.240 look at the consumer price indexed at that big increase, 1:37:37.720 --> 1:37:40.320 we saw that at one point two percent rise. What 1:37:40.520 --> 1:37:41.000 was driving that? 1:37:41.760 --> 1:37:44.439 Well, we had prices of used vehicles, beef and veal 1:37:44.439 --> 1:37:47.000 and eggs that showed you know, some of that as well. 1:37:47.040 --> 1:37:48.800 But really it's housing that's driving it. 1:37:48.880 --> 1:37:53.200 Not only building starts and permits, but also rents as well. 1:37:53.640 --> 1:37:57.280 And so hopefully this will give a lot of Americans 1:37:57.320 --> 1:38:00.240 a little bit of ease. I know that, you know, 1:38:00.320 --> 1:38:04.320 my wife worked in the rental business as far as 1:38:04.360 --> 1:38:06.880 property management, and it has been hard on a lot 1:38:06.920 --> 1:38:08.920 of people that are renting when they continue to see 1:38:09.080 --> 1:38:12.519 their cost increase, But the owners of these organizations, they're 1:38:12.560 --> 1:38:15.519 having their cost increase as well. So inflation coming down 1:38:15.600 --> 1:38:18.120 is not only going to benefit business owners, but it's 1:38:18.120 --> 1:38:20.519 going to benefit the common citizen as well. 1:38:20.800 --> 1:38:23.160 Did you say that one of the drivers outside of 1:38:23.240 --> 1:38:25.759 used vehicles? Now, what do you say eggs is veal? 1:38:26.200 --> 1:38:27.679 Who the hell is buying veal? 1:38:28.080 --> 1:38:28.280 Where? 1:38:28.320 --> 1:38:28.800 Well? You can? 1:38:28.840 --> 1:38:30.720 You can you even get you know, I'm Italian, I 1:38:30.800 --> 1:38:32.040 love veal. We can't find veal? 1:38:32.520 --> 1:38:34.559 Well, you can if you lay out in the country. 1:38:34.760 --> 1:38:39.320 I mean I have I have some farmers up the hill. 1:38:39.160 --> 1:38:42.240 Here and I have to get a veal connection from 1:38:42.280 --> 1:38:45.800 you are a man of many, many connections. He's he's 1:38:45.800 --> 1:38:46.440 a facilitic. 1:38:46.600 --> 1:38:47.080 I have a guy. 1:38:47.280 --> 1:38:48.840 You got, I got a guy. I got a veal guy. 1:38:50.120 --> 1:38:52.720 I saw this headline about social security. Now could run 1:38:52.720 --> 1:38:55.679 out about moneyance Now it was like ten and fifteen 1:38:55.720 --> 1:38:57.840 years Now are like like six minutes from now, we 1:38:57.840 --> 1:38:58.799 could run out of money. 1:38:59.000 --> 1:39:02.040 Yeah, when we start talking about this, probably seven or 1:39:02.080 --> 1:39:05.439 eight years ago that the date was about twenty thirty five. 1:39:05.520 --> 1:39:08.160 Well then it went to thirty four and then thirty three, 1:39:08.200 --> 1:39:10.280 and now you know we're kind of looking at maybe 1:39:10.320 --> 1:39:13.080 twenty thirty two, and I think people start to get 1:39:13.120 --> 1:39:15.920 really concerned about it. Now when we talk about Social 1:39:15.920 --> 1:39:18.080 Security running out of money, that doesn't mean there's not 1:39:18.120 --> 1:39:19.960 going to be money paid into it, obviously, but the 1:39:20.040 --> 1:39:23.599 endowment at that point will become depleted, and people say, well, 1:39:23.600 --> 1:39:25.840 what's going to happen to my benefit? I think there's 1:39:25.880 --> 1:39:28.920 going to be three major things that might happen. Number one, 1:39:29.920 --> 1:39:33.320 for retirement age will likely be increased, so that's one 1:39:33.320 --> 1:39:34.880 thing that the government can do. The other thing is 1:39:34.880 --> 1:39:37.240 that they will likely have some government workers begin to 1:39:37.280 --> 1:39:40.439 pay into Social Security. But I think the biggest threat 1:39:40.960 --> 1:39:43.759 to the average American would be what they call means testing. 1:39:43.840 --> 1:39:46.479 And what's going to happen is is that they'll probably 1:39:46.520 --> 1:39:49.120 if you have a certain amount of income, you might 1:39:49.160 --> 1:39:52.040 have a decrease in your overall so Security benefit. Now, 1:39:52.520 --> 1:39:54.960 I suspect that that will be a pretty high number. 1:39:55.280 --> 1:39:57.640 The history of Congress suggests that they will position it 1:39:57.680 --> 1:39:59.680 as a tax on the rich, like they did in 1:39:59.760 --> 1:40:02.920 Night ten eighty three with a fifty percent provisional tax 1:40:02.960 --> 1:40:05.599 on Social Security, and also in ninety three when they 1:40:05.600 --> 1:40:08.719 implemented the eighty five percent provisional tax on social security. 1:40:08.760 --> 1:40:10.640 So to me, I think it's going to be a 1:40:10.680 --> 1:40:14.000 number upwards of over two hundred thousand dollars where you 1:40:14.080 --> 1:40:15.880 might start to see a trigger of a decrease in 1:40:15.920 --> 1:40:18.720 social security. So if you're retired and you have a 1:40:18.720 --> 1:40:21.240 financial plan in place, and you have a number of 1:40:21.280 --> 1:40:24.759 different types of accounts and registrations with different pots of money, 1:40:25.040 --> 1:40:27.880 you can massage those distributions to make sure you stay 1:40:27.960 --> 1:40:31.200 underneath certain income limits, you know, depending on what we're 1:40:31.200 --> 1:40:33.400 going to see. So I think it's smart to prepare 1:40:33.439 --> 1:40:37.400 now for the inevitability that we'll probably see some types 1:40:37.400 --> 1:40:37.920 of mean tests. 1:40:38.040 --> 1:40:41.920 Wow, and at twenty percent reduction and benefits of lawmakers 1:40:41.960 --> 1:40:45.160 don't step in. They're not stupid enough to let down, right. 1:40:45.320 --> 1:40:47.479 No, I don't think so, because you know, especially with 1:40:47.560 --> 1:40:51.800 the social security conversation. Yeah, that's a that's a nail 1:40:51.840 --> 1:40:54.120 on the coffin for politicians. They don't want to touch it. 1:40:54.160 --> 1:40:57.760 I remember when George W. Bush years ago suggested that, hey, 1:40:57.760 --> 1:40:59.960 we probably need to tackle social security. 1:41:00.040 --> 1:41:01.320 Well he got crushed, but he. 1:41:01.320 --> 1:41:03.920 Did, and he didn't speak a word of it after that, 1:41:04.000 --> 1:41:06.439 and since then, no politician has really touched it. And 1:41:06.439 --> 1:41:08.599 I don't suspect that we will touch it in probably 1:41:08.680 --> 1:41:11.680 till the eleventh hour because nobody really wants to address it. 1:41:11.840 --> 1:41:12.040 Yeah. 1:41:12.080 --> 1:41:13.439 Well, I mean you can't even get them to show 1:41:13.520 --> 1:41:15.040 up to do their jobs for crying out low. They 1:41:15.120 --> 1:41:17.320 keep shutting it down. And then they've got another vacation 1:41:17.439 --> 1:41:19.800 built in. So what's the rush here? In six years 1:41:19.800 --> 1:41:22.040 we've got you know, that's two more election cycles for 1:41:22.080 --> 1:41:23.280 crying Well, well, a lot. 1:41:23.200 --> 1:41:25.040 Of them figure they're probably not going to be there anyway, 1:41:25.080 --> 1:41:26.320 so it's not their problem, you know. 1:41:26.400 --> 1:41:28.160 But I mean, if you're elected to the Senate today, 1:41:28.240 --> 1:41:30.760 six years from now, your terms up, I means that's 1:41:31.000 --> 1:41:32.439 the issues right here, right now. 1:41:32.800 --> 1:41:34.400 Yeah yeah, and if you want to get re elected, 1:41:34.439 --> 1:41:36.280 it's going to have to be addressed. And again I think, 1:41:36.720 --> 1:41:38.640 you know, Congress has shown that the way that they 1:41:38.680 --> 1:41:40.439 position this stuff is a tax on the rich, and 1:41:40.439 --> 1:41:43.000 most Americans usually go for it. And there are solutions, 1:41:43.520 --> 1:41:45.040 but we'll see, you know, the kind of the action 1:41:45.120 --> 1:41:45.680 that they do take. 1:41:45.720 --> 1:41:47.800 Gotcha hey real quick here, I know we always take Hey, well, 1:41:47.840 --> 1:41:49.280 what's what's coming up in the next week. I think 1:41:49.280 --> 1:41:51.120 the big thing is whether or not the Supreme Courts 1:41:51.160 --> 1:41:52.360 can rule on tariffs. 1:41:53.160 --> 1:41:55.400 Yeah, that's coming up February twentieth. 1:41:55.960 --> 1:41:59.040 You know, the FED members are going to basically testify 1:41:59.080 --> 1:42:02.519 and give their opinions to the judicial branch and basically say, hey, 1:42:02.520 --> 1:42:04.280 here's what we think. And it will be interesting to 1:42:04.320 --> 1:42:07.360 see because you know, if we have to unwind this, 1:42:07.520 --> 1:42:10.160 I don't understand how it's going to be all unwine. 1:42:10.439 --> 1:42:12.200 Do we give them money back? You know, how is 1:42:12.200 --> 1:42:14.760 that going to affect the economy. I don't think that 1:42:15.240 --> 1:42:17.519 tariffs are going to be rescinded or they they are 1:42:17.560 --> 1:42:20.080 going to consider it unlawful, and I think most Americans 1:42:20.120 --> 1:42:22.639 don't believe that's going to happen either. Otherwise we would 1:42:22.640 --> 1:42:25.840 probably see the markets already respond in a less favorable way, 1:42:25.920 --> 1:42:27.280 and I just haven't seen that yet. 1:42:27.360 --> 1:42:30.519 Okay, Good Andy Shaffer all Worth Financial Simply Money is 1:42:30.520 --> 1:42:32.960 the show and airs week nights at six. I'm fifty 1:42:33.000 --> 1:42:35.760 five k RC for the full version of that. This 1:42:35.880 --> 1:42:37.720 is kind of the abbreviated version, but you get a 1:42:37.720 --> 1:42:40.639 snapshot of your money as we head into this week 1:42:40.680 --> 1:42:42.920 as well. So Andy, all the beast. We'll talk again 1:42:43.080 --> 1:42:45.600 next Tuesday. Appreciate you, thanks again, Okay, Scott, thank you 1:42:45.640 --> 1:42:47.240 all right. With that, we've got news on the way 1:42:47.240 --> 1:42:49.400 in just minutes. The Bill Cunningham Show at twelve oh 1:42:49.439 --> 1:42:51.679 seven this morning here on the Home of the Red 1:42:51.720 --> 1:42:53.320 seven hundred WWT, Cincinnati,