Speaker 1: Do you want to be an American idiot?
Speaker 2: Scott flown back on seven hundred WLW, something like one
Speaker 2: in five homes now have a video doorbell. It's amazing
Speaker 2: just how big this sector became and exploded after the
Speaker 2: last number of years. Ring Doorbell has made big news
Speaker 2: these past weeks with the Nancy Guthrie case and controversy
Speaker 2: over their Super Bowl ad. There's backlash there that caused
Speaker 2: them to rethink its technology on fears the surveillance society
Speaker 2: and Big Brother just simply going too far on This
Speaker 2: is the CEO of Vigilan Cybersecurity right here in Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: That would be Chris niheis Chris, Welcome back, Hey you Ben.
Speaker 3: Brother, Good morning, Scott. I've been great. How about you.
Speaker 2: I'm doing fine. Thanks. I think you know there's an
Speaker 2: overlaying topic here, but I'm the issue of cameras and
Speaker 2: cameras all over the place. I think it's fascinating and
Speaker 2: watching the Nancy Guthrie case and that we learned that
Speaker 2: you can have an inactive subscription for Ring or Nesta
Speaker 2: or whatever it might be, and the camera still is
Speaker 2: recording in this case evidence that's shocking.
Speaker 3: That is shocking.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the the thing we have to realize
Speaker 4: here is that, you know, the cameras themselves don't have
Speaker 4: much storage on at all, almost nothing. So the only
Speaker 4: way for this video to have been recaptured after two
Speaker 4: weeks would be for it's to be stored somewhere. And
Speaker 4: so I think the thing that we have to really
Speaker 4: start to be aware of or think about is that subscriptions.
Speaker 3: May mean that you don't have access to the video
Speaker 3: or those files, but.
Speaker 4: It doesn't mean someone else doesn't have access to those
Speaker 4: videos or files.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think cash Patel said they retrieved residual
Speaker 2: data located in back end systems. There's two there's only
Speaker 2: one person's conversation. You know what the hell that means,
Speaker 2: and it's you, Chris.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, right, So it could mean and more than
Speaker 4: likely than not, is that they're backing up that video.
Speaker 4: Because video when you when you don't have a subscription,
Speaker 4: what it does is it just streams back to the provider,
Speaker 4: so you can watch it through your app or get
Speaker 4: an immediate alert on your phone. It's not supposed to
Speaker 4: store it. But I think the way around that that
Speaker 4: some companies can do, either intentionally or unintentionally is they
Speaker 4: can do it under the aspect of a backup right
Speaker 4: while we were just backing up the same systems, and
Speaker 4: so that's how that file got there. So it's possible
Speaker 4: that that's how they reached out how they access it.
Speaker 4: Another aspect could be that they actually just store it
Speaker 4: for a certain period of time and then they just
Speaker 4: get rid of it, even though again you don't have
Speaker 4: access to it.
Speaker 3: Gives the subscription that they do.
Speaker 2: Because it's in the cloud, and once it goes in
Speaker 2: the cloud cloud, it's not your property or which makes
Speaker 2: it an interesting case in a critical question on the
Speaker 2: go three cases, we don't know if the FBI obtained
Speaker 2: a warrant for that footage from the doorbell camera. So
Speaker 2: do you know what the legal standards, I mean, what
Speaker 2: should the legal standards would be for law enforcement to
Speaker 2: access that data from smart home cameras? And and how
Speaker 2: often they actually the companies pushing back on these requests.
Speaker 2: I remember when it was came to unlocked locking Apple phone,
Speaker 2: remember the iPhone, and Yeah, there was a big k like, hey,
Speaker 2: we're not going to give you, We're not going to
Speaker 2: lock that. Well, you know, we're trying to get terrorists
Speaker 2: in this country that was years and years ago. But
Speaker 2: this is an extension of the same argument. Are are
Speaker 2: companies pushing back on requests that might be overly broad?
Speaker 3: A lot of them do.
Speaker 4: I mean, look at what Apple did in Europe. You know,
Speaker 4: they said, hey, okay, you know Europe wanted to unencrypt
Speaker 4: or have access to the encrypted that's a mess messages
Speaker 4: because Apple is one of the ones that I would
Speaker 4: say is one of the largest proponents for privacy, you know,
Speaker 4: and their their systems work well. Uh, the encrypture works
Speaker 4: so well that it pisses governments off. And in Europe
Speaker 4: they basically said, hey, we're going to shut you down
Speaker 4: unless you let us abass to And they said, okay, cool,
Speaker 4: we'll just let all of it be open. We won't
Speaker 4: even mess with you, and and and then they pushed
Speaker 4: back and said, okay, don't do that Apple, right. So
Speaker 4: I think where it comes down to is two data
Speaker 4: two aspects. One is where we haven't continued to talk
Speaker 4: about a conversation. Who actually owns data?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 4: If if I have a camera that I pay for
Speaker 4: and that records video or audio of my own or
Speaker 4: even emails or whatever, who owns that data once it
Speaker 4: goes into a different platform. And in the United States,
Speaker 4: you know, you know, outside of the United States, it's
Speaker 4: been legislated, right, you don't own the data.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: That's why I like, you have countries that have some
Speaker 4: of the largest surveillance states. Ever in the United States,
Speaker 4: we've handed that over to private companies in our terms
Speaker 4: and conditions.
Speaker 3: You know, I've talked about this before.
Speaker 4: No one reads their terms and conditions and they get
Speaker 4: surprised when their data is accessed if you hand that
Speaker 4: data over, and the terms the conditions say that that
Speaker 4: provider can do that to a law enforcement agent or anybody. Well,
Speaker 4: they don't need a warrant because you just gave rights
Speaker 4: to that data, right. So it really comes back to
Speaker 4: who owns that data and what's in the terms conditions
Speaker 4: of the things we signed. And in most cases, we're
Speaker 4: handing over our privacy for convenience. And you know, we'll
Speaker 4: talk about the SUPERWL out here in a second, but
Speaker 4: you know it's we do it out of compassion as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh he is Chris and I High, CEO Cincinnati
Speaker 2: based Vision and Cybersecurity. You're talking about the advent of
Speaker 2: video doorbell cams, whether it's nast or Ring, whatever the
Speaker 2: system is that you have, how it plays into the
Speaker 2: gu three case here where the subscription was inactive and
Speaker 2: there was still video because it's all in the cloud,
Speaker 2: and the ceo, I think it was the CEO of
Speaker 2: Ring told in an interview told the media The Guardian
Speaker 2: that there's a very distinct, distinct and marked difference between
Speaker 2: what you have access to and what the company has
Speaker 2: access to.
Speaker 4: What does that mean, right, I mean that's what the
Speaker 4: company is. That is this start was talking before. Is
Speaker 4: this difference between subscription and not when you when you
Speaker 4: sign up for a subscription and the subscription says, hey,
Speaker 4: it's going to record the state of a thirty t
Speaker 4: that's access. You're paying for access to your own data, right,
Speaker 4: You're paying for access to see what happened a week ago.
Speaker 4: Now that that organization can store that data for as
Speaker 4: long as they want to unless it's clear in the
Speaker 4: agreement with you, and in most cases these agreements are
Speaker 4: not clear and in most cases people don't read them
Speaker 4: at all. So at the end of the day, the
Speaker 4: company can store that data for as long as they
Speaker 4: want to, and in reality pretty much becomes there's in
Speaker 4: a lot of cases.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 2: It makes sense. I mean, you know there's there's gonna
Speaker 2: be things that simply the company can hang on. Do
Speaker 2: you just wonder how easy it is for government to
Speaker 2: get access to that information. Now, in this case, it's
Speaker 2: needed because you're trying to find a you a missing
Speaker 2: endangered person in the case of Nancy Guestry, but an
Speaker 2: everyday walk of life it might be an entirely different story.
Speaker 2: So you put these things, I mean I have them,
Speaker 2: and you probably have security cameras as well. I tend
Speaker 2: to err on the side of, hey, I've got the
Speaker 2: information or if I need to know what happened or
Speaker 2: something's occurring, I can be alerted to it. I'm not
Speaker 2: much in my private life that's going to warrant a
Speaker 2: federal investigation. So not thinking about killing anybody or capturing
Speaker 2: anybody anytime soon, So I think I'm covered. Is that
Speaker 2: a false sense of security?
Speaker 1: I think it is.
Speaker 4: It is a false sense of security for a couple
Speaker 4: of reasons. One, you don't have you know these things
Speaker 4: are so set, and forget that you don't really know
Speaker 4: when they're working when they're not.
Speaker 3: The second part about it is is that you know.
Speaker 4: This this would not have flown twenty years ago, right,
Speaker 4: and this has just been something that's over time. People
Speaker 4: have said, Okay, well I want convenience. My life is
Speaker 4: too busy, too fast. Instead of installing my own security
Speaker 4: system that I have that I have access to that
Speaker 4: doesn't have to go to the cloud, you know, people
Speaker 4: are going to these cloud providers and and you know,
Speaker 4: there's there's all these different features and things that pop
Speaker 4: up on these that connects your data to other people's data.
Speaker 4: It gives access to it in different ways that you're
Speaker 4: not you don't necessarily want, you know. I think if
Speaker 4: a lot of us just read what the actual terms
Speaker 4: conditions on some of these things say, you probably would
Speaker 4: think twice about it. But again, most people don't have time.
Speaker 4: They don't do it, they don't even have time to
Speaker 4: do it. So it's it's it's pretty interesting, how you know,
Speaker 4: we just are you know, our generation as a you know,
Speaker 4: click next and as septs and go right because we
Speaker 4: want something to go bad.
Speaker 2: Well, cameras have been. And I think the thing too
Speaker 2: is two things. First of all, the prevalence of the
Speaker 2: Internet of Things, because there's just so many you know,
Speaker 2: you can connect to a WI file, labor enabled toothbrush
Speaker 2: or toaster. I mean, what do I need to a
Speaker 2: toaster that took up the internet for? But it's cool, right,
Speaker 2: And then the other element is, uh, the cameras have
Speaker 2: become ubiquitous. You know, I'm old enough to remember when
Speaker 2: you know videocam quarterers came out. It was a big deal.
Speaker 2: But these were huge machines. And now, hell, there's one
Speaker 2: on your the screen of your monitor, on your computer,
Speaker 2: there's one on your you put one on your refrigerator,
Speaker 2: I've got your doorbell. Kids, it's it's on your phone.
Speaker 2: You use it all the time. So if it's that prevalent,
Speaker 2: you don't see it as a risk. You just see
Speaker 2: it as something that's part of the fabric of modern life.
Speaker 4: Right, Well, we'd be see our modern life, though, has
Speaker 4: become one of this aspect of speed and can speed
Speaker 4: to convenience? Right if I had if you and I
Speaker 4: had this conversation in nineteen ninety five, right, and I said, hey, Scott,
Speaker 4: you know we're going to go ahead and create a
Speaker 4: website so that everybody is going to upload all of
Speaker 4: their photos of extremely important events and even non important ones,
Speaker 4: even the ones where you're emotionally, you know, walking through something,
Speaker 4: whatever it is, we're going to be uploaded to a
Speaker 4: website at that point. We're going to store those forever.
Speaker 4: We're going to put a recording device in your home
Speaker 4: and record literally everything you say, and we're going to
Speaker 4: store that on servers. We're also going to put video
Speaker 4: cameras up around every single home in the United States,
Speaker 4: and we're going to record that as well. And we're
Speaker 4: going to put all three of those things together. And
Speaker 4: in fact, we're actually going to connect those devices together
Speaker 4: so that they can share Internet bandwidth and we can
Speaker 4: track devices as they move from device device. You would
Speaker 4: be like, no way, right orbit, but now, but that's
Speaker 4: exactly what I just described. You know, like we have
Speaker 4: you know, all of your your your cameras now right,
Speaker 4: there's just you know, people came up the sidewalk. It
Speaker 4: was actually on by default, you know when it first
Speaker 4: came out, where basically your device, if I have a
Speaker 4: if I have a nest or a ring and my
Speaker 4: neighbor has one.
Speaker 3: Those can connect together on Bluetooth.
Speaker 4: So what that does is it allows for people They
Speaker 4: called it sidewalk, so people on your sidewalk could access
Speaker 4: a very small bit of your network bandwidth. Well that
Speaker 4: sounds cool, right, Oh man, I'm sharing with my neighbors
Speaker 4: they're walking past. But when you look at how those
Speaker 4: things work. You know, your your dog, right, good of
Speaker 4: an RFID on it or or a device and and
Speaker 4: yet right and as it's walking through, as you're walking
Speaker 4: through the neighborhood, or your phone or whatever, all of
Speaker 4: these devices connect to blouses right as you drive through,
Speaker 4: so it can map where you go look at during COVID.
Speaker 4: You know, we opened up who we interacted with right,
Speaker 4: Like our devices, we could turn it on to see
Speaker 4: who we had contact with during COVID, so that that
Speaker 4: way it would map all those relationships, right and notify
Speaker 4: people immediately if someone was in touch with someone ouse
Speaker 4: at of COVID. And so it just goes back to
Speaker 4: is that in the United States we choose surveillances, right,
Speaker 4: whereas outside of the United States it's legislated. And I
Speaker 4: think that should be something we really think about, right,
Speaker 4: like why does it have to be legislated outside the
Speaker 4: United States, and why is it chosen fire people in.
Speaker 3: The United States?
Speaker 2: A great question as a jumping off point here, Chris
Speaker 2: and I heis's CEO of Cincinnati based Vigilant Cybersecurity, talking
Speaker 2: about the Nancy Guthrie case with a ring doorbell that
Speaker 2: was disconnected and they still able to get data. Ring
Speaker 2: to a Super Bowl ad the showcase what they called
Speaker 2: search Party. We're kind of what we're talking about with
Speaker 2: Apple Tech. Even though our Apple tag works basically it
Speaker 2: does share if you're an Apple enabled household, for example,
Speaker 2: that little tag that you put on your dog or luggage,
Speaker 2: you need to be near Wi Fi for that to work.
Speaker 2: And so if the dog's lost the neighborhood, somebody's going
Speaker 2: to have part of that network. As part of Apple's network,
Speaker 2: it's going to show, hey, the dog's over by this house,
Speaker 2: which is really cool but also frightening as far as
Speaker 2: tracking goes. Now Ring is taking us a step further
Speaker 2: with Search Party. So you may have seen the adder
Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl where it shows a dog that's
Speaker 2: lost in the neighborhood. And now they're using facial recognition,
Speaker 2: so you don't flock as the company that does the
Speaker 2: automated license plate reader's police agency to using for a
Speaker 2: long time, and now they do that with facial recognition,
Speaker 2: and so now hey, it's the shape. This looks like
Speaker 2: your dog, it looks like a Golden Retriever. It's its
Speaker 2: facial features. It was seen a couple blocks away on
Speaker 2: this Spring camera. They tie the network back in Are
Speaker 2: you happy to see the backlash? It came from that
Speaker 2: because people watching the Super Bowl ineborated drunk and eating
Speaker 2: piles of Wacamolean wings and ribs. Watch that one. Whoa, wha, whoa.
Speaker 2: If you can do without a dog, you can do
Speaker 2: it at a person. And the backlash was so huge
Speaker 2: that Ring has pulled their deal with Flock for that,
Speaker 2: right right.
Speaker 3: I think it's part of the audience too, uh you know,
Speaker 3: And you know.
Speaker 4: I think that was probably the worst place for being
Speaker 4: to put that out there first. But you know, the
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, you know, it's you know,
Speaker 4: it's a it just goes back to compassion, right, It's like, well,
Speaker 4: I want my dog to be found. I want my
Speaker 4: neighbor's dog to be found. Uh, you know, I want
Speaker 4: my you know what the next step is, well, what
Speaker 4: about missing kids?
Speaker 3: What about you know?
Speaker 4: And I and I'm you know, you know, I do
Speaker 4: a lot of keeping trashing investigations things like that that
Speaker 4: that's important to me, But I would not say that
Speaker 4: we need to put you know, facial recognition all over
Speaker 4: the place, uh access accessible to everybody at all times
Speaker 4: to be able to see what's happening in a home, right,
Speaker 4: Because there's there's there's good an evil in this world, right,
Speaker 4: And the good part is the compassion part, right. The
Speaker 4: bad part is the people that are going to use
Speaker 4: that in evil ways, right. And I mean just just
Speaker 4: look at what's happening with some of the f steam
Speaker 4: file stuff, right, Like you're starting to see that some
Speaker 4: of the people that ran some of these companies that
Speaker 4: have access to pictures or images allegedly right of children, right,
Speaker 4: and access to their addresses and all those things, and
Speaker 4: then they did these other things right, So it's like, well,
Speaker 4: what did you use what did that what did that
Speaker 4: information get used for? And that's the thing you just
Speaker 4: always have to think about, is that compassion is great, right,
Speaker 4: and we need to have compassion, and we need to
Speaker 4: do the right things to try to have compassion. We
Speaker 4: need to watch out for our team, our neighbors or friends.
Speaker 4: But you can't give up today for something that tomorrow
Speaker 4: could be used in some bad ways. Right With the
Speaker 4: wrong people are there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know there's also you mentioned it earlier briefly,
Speaker 2: but the consent question. So a lot of people bought
Speaker 2: these devices to protect package deliveries. For example, what about
Speaker 2: porch pirates or see, hey listen, somebodys are in my house,
Speaker 2: or did I leave my garage door open and look?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah I did.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: And now these cameras are part of a network and
Speaker 2: be searched by aar access by law enforcement. So did
Speaker 2: did consumers actually consent to that when they click degree
Speaker 2: on the terms of service document that we don't read.
Speaker 3: We'll do they do? Yeah, they do, they do.
Speaker 4: And that's that's with anything you know, you put you know,
Speaker 4: certain routers on your net, on your home wifie, you know,
Speaker 4: or you put certain applications, certain technologies. Now, there's a
Speaker 4: lot of technology out there that says, hey, we're not
Speaker 4: going to surveil you at all and in our terms
Speaker 4: and conditions right right, there's a lot of technology you
Speaker 4: can buy, even for camera, you know, home camera systems
Speaker 4: that don't send things out to the cloud, and if
Speaker 4: they do, it's to a privatized place that only have
Speaker 4: access to and it's encrypted. So it's just more as consumers,
Speaker 4: you have to choose what you want. It just goes
Speaker 4: back to the fact that we're a fast moving society
Speaker 4: and we're not moving fast, you know. I think we're
Speaker 4: moving faster towards convenience and faster towards innovation right now.
Speaker 4: But I think but the other part of that is
Speaker 4: we trade so much because we will go back and say, well,
Speaker 4: I didn't have time to know, and you know, that's
Speaker 4: a that's a that's the scary place for people that
Speaker 4: you know can take advantage of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, final point on this bottom line for our listeners, Chris.
Speaker 2: If someone owns one of these wireless doorbells or give
Speaker 2: video doorbells, what should you do? And if you're considering
Speaker 2: buying one, what what you ask the companies that maybe
Speaker 2: they don't want to answer. How do you find that
Speaker 2: information out what they're doing with this, and how much
Speaker 2: time should you invest in that?
Speaker 4: But I think the first thing is I would I
Speaker 4: would just read the term subsistions first. Make sure you're
Speaker 4: okay with it, because at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: they're not going to change it for you, and you know,
Speaker 4: so you're not gonna be able to call them up
Speaker 4: and have a red line it or modify it, and
Speaker 4: just know what you're giving up and just be okay
Speaker 4: with that. I would also teach your kids this too,
Speaker 4: because some of the apps that are targeting kids snaps,
Speaker 4: things like that. You know, as far as consumers, they
Speaker 4: they are wide open with privacy. And that's one of
Speaker 4: the reasons why a lot of kids are targeted for
Speaker 4: attacks around romance. They're targeted for relationships and things like
Speaker 4: that because their generation is so used to everybody knowing everything,
Speaker 4: even to the point where life three sixty. You know,
Speaker 4: colleges people just share their their location all the time.
Speaker 4: So I would say teach them as well, so that
Speaker 4: they know because they're watching you, and they're watching you
Speaker 4: entertain these privacy matters and they're going, oh, then this
Speaker 4: is okay to not have any privacy, and I think
Speaker 4: that's not a good thing to teach our kids. The
Speaker 4: second thing is, you know, so first read those firms
Speaker 4: conditions to teach your kids about that not everything needs
Speaker 4: to be public. And then third, make sure that you
Speaker 4: know if you if you don't want to have those
Speaker 4: those things in your life, don't feel like you're you're
Speaker 4: blocked in right. A lot of these technologies will say, well,
Speaker 4: this is the only place to get it. Unless you
Speaker 4: accept our terms, then you can't get anywhere else. And
Speaker 4: that may be true, but don't give into that. Right
Speaker 4: you know, if you if don't trade your privacy because
Speaker 4: you're worried about something else, you can go out and
Speaker 4: buy technologies that have in home systems that do exactly
Speaker 4: the same stuff alert you the same way they'll do
Speaker 4: recognition and it stores all the data in your home.
Speaker 4: So I would just say, is pause in your life
Speaker 4: and become a consumer that really makes the decisions that
Speaker 4: you want, not the ones that you feel you have
Speaker 4: to do.
Speaker 3: Got it?
Speaker 2: Chris Nihei, CEO of since Iva based Vigilant Cybersecurity, Thanks again, brother,
Speaker 2: great information is always appreciated.
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Speaker 2: we continue the passing of A. Jesse Jackson at eighty four,
Speaker 2: it's interesting how his hand has shaped civil rights and
Speaker 2: it's not even recognizable today what that movement looks like.
Speaker 2: People say, so right movement that really isn't it changed
Speaker 2: a lot? And he had a hand in that and
Speaker 2: kind of undermined his own his own cause. If you
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Speaker 2: problem with having a business model that is essentially driven
Speaker 2: by attention and also a cause is if you make
Speaker 2: tremendous inroads into solving that problem to the cause, then
Speaker 2: you cease to exist. And this is true in many,
Speaker 2: many organizations, so it's not exclusive to Well. In this case,
Speaker 2: the Rainbow Coalition Jesse Jackson passing away yesterday at the
Speaker 2: age of forty eighty four, life well lived, complicated legacy
Speaker 2: depending on your worldview, for sure. And you know the
Speaker 2: key hope of live rhetoric that he empowered empowered people,
Speaker 2: and you know, you look at the positives. A Rainbow
Speaker 2: Coalition essentially opened this big tent up before it was
Speaker 2: about the black experience and later in the a and
Speaker 2: he's opened that up to include poor whites and Latinos
Speaker 2: and women, LGBTQ individuals and those on the economic margins.
Speaker 2: And so in that regard, it was head of its time. However,
Speaker 2: you know, the idea was that you know, racism is
Speaker 2: alive and well well you know, we saw the coronation
Speaker 2: of a black president. Remember the iconic moment Jesse Jackson's
Speaker 2: crying watching Obama speak and take the oath of office.
Speaker 2: And so if you look at that, it's a lot
Speaker 2: different than when Jesse Jackson was coming up, when you
Speaker 2: had separate drinking fountains, when you had sundown laws, meaning
Speaker 2: and even here in Cincinnati that was true too. There
Speaker 2: are areas of town that you should not be in
Speaker 2: if you were of color because you could be killed
Speaker 2: or at the very least attacked, if not driven out.
Speaker 2: Interracial dating, I mean that seems so long ago, right
Speaker 2: that that was a huge taboo in America all alone,
Speaker 2: the interracial marriages, and now it's very very commonplace. Hell,
Speaker 2: you know, Carde, you have TV shows and people at
Speaker 2: all walks of life, and you know, the back of
Speaker 2: that mantra, it's like, you know, if you're an adult,
Speaker 2: you love who you love.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: And that also extends to people who are LGBTQ. You know,
Speaker 2: had Rosa parks a seat on the back of the bus.
Speaker 2: Today and today the world leans into black culture. I mean,
Speaker 2: if you watch the Olympics, it's it's kind of interesting.
Speaker 2: You see people from all over the world who essentially
Speaker 2: have adopted to some degree hip hop culture. And and
Speaker 2: that was unheard. You know, you could say, well, you know,
Speaker 2: look at you know, black music and Elvis and the
Speaker 2: Blues and all that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but not to
Speaker 2: the level we see it today for sure. And and
Speaker 2: so is that, you know, part of that Jesse Jackson's legacy.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think he had a hand in there,
Speaker 2: for sure. But if you look at and I mentioned
Speaker 2: how if you do something long enough, successful at it,
Speaker 2: you have to find a reason to keep going.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's it's like you know, mother, it'd be like the
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe like Mother's against drunk driving to
Speaker 2: some degree. Is that you know, back in the day,
Speaker 2: people used to drink and drive and the cop would go, okay,
Speaker 2: well i'll follow you home, or you know, hey, you know,
Speaker 2: we'll let you go. It's just a little, you know,
Speaker 2: a little cock eyed, and you know, people started dying,
Speaker 2: and certainly little kids were killed, and it rose this
Speaker 2: whole anti the drinking and driving, the whole culture right
Speaker 2: of designated drivers because of that. Now do people still drive,
Speaker 2: for oh absolutely, But it's not like it used to be.
Speaker 2: I think A better parallel would be smoking. You know,
Speaker 2: we have we won the war on smoking. Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: we have literally so few people smoke today it really
Speaker 2: is not significant compare to us. Hell, even in my lifetime,
Speaker 2: go back to the eighties and nineties for that matter.
Speaker 6: You know we have.
Speaker 2: Vaping now, and vaping is well, you know you shouldn't
Speaker 2: have the same people are against it. We're against public
Speaker 2: smoking because the second hand smoker now after vapors, even
Speaker 2: though it's second hand steam, and it's just it's it's
Speaker 2: the appearance of smoke. It's not really smoke. And so
Speaker 2: in order to remain relevant, keep the funding coming, whether
Speaker 2: it's those groups or Jesse Jackson Rainbow Coalition, you have
Speaker 2: to exacerbated other problems. It's much worse today than it was.
Speaker 2: Why because it's more it's more underground.
Speaker 6: Is it.
Speaker 2: You know you can also say take a victory lap
Speaker 2: and said, you know, I've seen the world change in
Speaker 2: my lifetime for the better in that regard. But if
Speaker 2: you do that, then it undermines your cause, is the problem.
Speaker 2: And if you look at how the civil rights movement
Speaker 2: has changed, you know, the old model is hierarchical. It
Speaker 2: was preacher Centergy at King he had Jackson Ralph Abernethy
Speaker 2: preaching from the pulpit and they were charismatic and they
Speaker 2: spoke about the movement. Today it's it's much much different.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: You look at maybe Black Lives Matter, which is very
Speaker 2: polarized and broken in some ways, in many ways, and
Speaker 2: it's deliberately it's leaderless by design. We saw that with
Speaker 2: what was it, the Occupy Wall Street movement back in
Speaker 2: the two thousands, and no one understood what was going
Speaker 2: on there. It's like we have there's no leadership and
Speaker 2: there's no no head of this. Well, how is that possible?
Speaker 2: And it's by design. It's a strength and a weakness.
Speaker 2: And you know, the Black church was the instigtional backbone
Speaker 2: of the civil rights movement when he was coming up,
Speaker 2: because it was the meeting hall, it was the fundraising,
Speaker 2: the moral authority. In today's it's much more secular because
Speaker 2: we have leaned away from church. Now are all young
Speaker 2: people doing that? No? No, no, we've seen a rise
Speaker 2: and how even the numbers for young people leaning into
Speaker 2: Catholicism an increased. But it's you know, they've got a
Speaker 2: long way to go to get back to the glory days.
Speaker 2: I don't think you're ever going to do that. Younger
Speaker 2: activists have less church and the energy is shifted away
Speaker 2: from the pulpit to social media rather than sanctuaries. That
Speaker 2: that's a huge structural shift are seeing today and have
Speaker 2: seen for a while now with the generation, certainly millennials,
Speaker 2: but especially Gen Zers and so, you know, a movement
Speaker 2: can go from zero to national and literally hours after
Speaker 2: a viral video. We didn't see that in the past.
Speaker 2: It took a while. If you look at the marches
Speaker 2: there's Selma, you know, burming Ham in the South that
Speaker 2: back then in the sixties, it took a lot of
Speaker 2: effort to get that many people together to get a
Speaker 2: motivated to go down there and create those marches. Now
Speaker 2: literally because of the Internet and because of viral videos.
Speaker 2: It because look at how long it took. I mean
Speaker 2: it took literally weeks to organize the movement from the
Speaker 2: north to bring people down in buses for the marches.
Speaker 2: Back in the sixties. That took a tremendous amount of
Speaker 2: effort and resources, time and money to get that all organized.
Speaker 2: You know, we saw the results of it in the marches,
Speaker 2: but you didn't see the work behind the scenes from
Speaker 2: people like Jesse Jackson others that mobilized from those church
Speaker 2: pulpits around the North and the Midwest and elsewhere to
Speaker 2: get people to go down there. Today you have you know,
Speaker 2: George Floyd for example, it literally started, the protesters started
Speaker 2: right or what's happening in Minnesota right now with Ice.
Speaker 2: You saw the protesters and you know, now you've got
Speaker 2: people flying in from all over the country right or wrong
Speaker 2: to take part in that whole thing. That's where that
Speaker 2: is today. So you know, it's not about the church anymore.
Speaker 2: It's more about the Internet, the church of the Internet.
Speaker 2: So you can make something because of viral videos transcend
Speaker 2: a lot faster. It's so volatile right now, you don't
Speaker 2: need to build the infrastructure that he did, and so
Speaker 2: you can flash mobilize millions, now, can you. I guess
Speaker 2: the other part is because of the foundation of this thing,
Speaker 2: because you're not starting with the bricks and building a
Speaker 2: pyramid up. What's happening is, yeah, you can flash mobilize
Speaker 2: millions of people, but does that movement then have any
Speaker 2: staying power because of our attention span. We're on the
Speaker 2: next thing, and you know, today's civil rights conversation is
Speaker 2: perspective of a white guy here, so take it for
Speaker 2: what it is. But today it's more intersectional than Jackson was,
Speaker 2: because now it's not just about race. They've also folded
Speaker 2: in gender and sexual orientation, now immigration and women and
Speaker 2: pretty much anyone with the beef. And that's why if
Speaker 2: you're older like me, you look at it and go, okay,
Speaker 2: you see some sort of rally or you see some
Speaker 2: sort of protest, and there's all these different signs out there.
Speaker 2: What are you protesting? This isn't about the core of
Speaker 2: it with civil rights, but you knew it was with
Speaker 2: the black experience, and it was about Jim Crow laws,
Speaker 2: and it was about all of these things I mentioned
Speaker 2: in trying to treat an individual under the Constitution like
Speaker 2: anyone else regards to their skin color. Right, that's the
Speaker 2: central theme of his speeches of king speeches anyway, and
Speaker 2: Jesse Jackson today and now today it's much much different.
Speaker 2: Like it's confusing if you're older to look at it,
Speaker 2: go okay, Well, you've got you've got people of collar,
Speaker 2: you've got latinos, you've got LATINX whatever that is that
Speaker 2: you have LGBTQ, plus you have all these agrieved parties
Speaker 2: and it looks like it's his mishmash of just people
Speaker 2: are pissed off of the world. But that's the thing is,
Speaker 2: you know, today it's my group. Tomorrow I'll be there
Speaker 2: supporting your group, kind of like a union. You know,
Speaker 2: one goes on stright, they I'll go on strike. It's
Speaker 2: it's kind of the same feel where it is now
Speaker 2: the power of all those micro groups out that are
Speaker 2: leaning in together, which is why it looks, you know,
Speaker 2: the problem is like why all these people out there,
Speaker 2: whether it's you know, Black Lives Matter, or what's happening
Speaker 2: with ice the outfield, or I don't know, it has
Speaker 2: to do with you know, gay and lesbian issues for
Speaker 2: that matter. And after twenty twenty, after George Floyd, that
Speaker 2: was a turning point too for DEI, and of course
Speaker 2: everyone leaned into that. And now, as always, the pendulum
Speaker 2: swings back the other way, going, hey, you know, we
Speaker 2: went too far with this stuff, and rightly so, and
Speaker 2: we probably will swing back the other way at some
Speaker 2: point as well. That's just how America is. We're kind
Speaker 2: of fickle in that regard. So you know, at the
Speaker 2: time and back in the day when he was coming
Speaker 2: up and he witnessed I mean, he was there for
Speaker 2: the assassination of Martin Luther King Junior. He was on
Speaker 2: the balcony at the Lorraine Hotel. And that is much
Speaker 2: different that we're seeing today. You know, he was just
Speaker 2: fighting for access to voting and jobs and education. Today
Speaker 2: it's not just about inclusion. It's not just about to
Speaker 2: see the table. It's about you know, defunding police, abolishing
Speaker 2: police reparations and all of these radical clauses and things
Speaker 2: that a number of groups are leaning in too. But
Speaker 2: I think that's a confusing part as younger people get
Speaker 2: that if you're older, you just don't. And that's the
Speaker 2: way the world works for sure. And I think voting
Speaker 2: rights it's critically I'll look at what we're doing with
Speaker 2: the say of America Act, right, that is still a
Speaker 2: central line through all this stuff. So I don't know,
Speaker 2: you can say what you will about that. People will
Speaker 2: still be complaining and protesting. And that's the way the
Speaker 2: world works here in America anyway, because we have that
Speaker 2: right to do it. But you know, Jesse Jackson, again,
Speaker 2: I think at the end of life, probably you know,
Speaker 2: trying to keep trying to keep his movement going, but
Speaker 2: it's been surpassed by what I just described here, and
Speaker 2: so you have become neutered or irrelevant I suppose compared
Speaker 2: to It doesn't mean, you know, you can't look back
Speaker 2: and these groups can't go back and go, Okay, well
Speaker 2: he got us to this point. Uh, and we have
Speaker 2: now taken that movement over. But you know that that's
Speaker 2: yesterday's news, so to speak. So like any organization, uh,
Speaker 2: if you're successful, you really can't admit it. And at
Speaker 2: the same time, you know you have to continue to
Speaker 2: exist because of the infrastructure that's in place today. It's
Speaker 2: much it's all online giving and you know, go fundmes
Speaker 2: and everything else in it, but it doesn't have the
Speaker 2: I guess it just doesn't have the infrastructure that a
Speaker 2: group like a Rainbow Push ad where it literally started
Speaker 2: as a grassroots effort. Today's grassroots are much different. It's
Speaker 2: all driven by the Internet, and then you're out of
Speaker 2: the next thing. And it's not good or bad. It's
Speaker 2: not a judgment. It's just the way things are because
Speaker 2: back then you had this legitimate infrastry and you've got
Speaker 2: to feed that system. You know, the money's got to
Speaker 2: trickle back down to the bottom.
Speaker 6: Today.
Speaker 2: It's you know, you can just pay someone directly or
Speaker 2: pay a cause directly, and so it goes, so it goes.
Speaker 2: So anyway, Jesse Jackson passing at the age eighty four,
Speaker 2: and I think he'd been sick for a while. If
Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken, I believe so. Yeah, So we have
Speaker 2: the searcher in Nancy Guthrie entering its third week. We're
Speaker 2: in a week three of this thing right now, and she,
Speaker 2: of course disappeared from her home sixteen days ago. FBI
Speaker 2: has doubled the reward to one hundred thousand dollars. I said,
Speaker 2: did you see the video of Savannah Guthrie? She ristled
Speaker 2: a no video this weekend. I think she's like doing
Speaker 2: one week maybe, and it was a two week mark
Speaker 2: since her mother's disappearance. And I want to circle back
Speaker 2: on that thing, because you could there's an express if
Speaker 2: maybe if you you know, if you are heavily into
Speaker 2: social media or you know, in my case, you know
Speaker 2: you're in media and you follow these things in news
Speaker 2: cycles and things like that. It's it's really interesting what
Speaker 2: her eyes and her body language was saying in that
Speaker 2: video that her mouth wasn't. I'll circle back on that
Speaker 2: in just a second. But the latest is they found
Speaker 2: this glove with the DNA profile. I'm really not that new,
Speaker 2: but there are trace evidence of DNA in that thing,
Speaker 2: and it looks like the pair that was worn by
Speaker 2: the individual and surveillance video on that camera outside Nanty
Speaker 2: Guthrie's home when she disappeared, and the timeline works with
Speaker 2: this thing. Although a lot of experts say, well, it
Speaker 2: was a mile and a half away. I sawn on
Speaker 2: the side of the road. There's a lot of trash
Speaker 2: on roadsides. Does it mean that that glove even though
Speaker 2: it looked like it was the one that guy was wearing.
Speaker 2: There's blackbird rubber goes you probably you know it's probably
Speaker 2: one of those hidden plane side things. Is you don't
Speaker 2: notice it until you see one that probably all over
Speaker 2: you just never notice them because they're e in food
Speaker 2: services and pretty much everything else. They're aubiquitous. Whether or
Speaker 2: not that DNA is tied to the individual we saw
Speaker 2: in the video or those responsible disappearance yet to be determined.
Speaker 2: And how usable is that DNA that's the other question.
Speaker 2: The sheriff yesterday, Chris Nanos came out and said the
Speaker 2: Guthrie family, including siblings, spouses, extended, failed me. Everyone has
Speaker 2: been cleared as possible suspects, and they've been nothing but
Speaker 2: cooperative and graciously said that they are the true victims
Speaker 2: in this case. And sometimes we forget we're human. We
Speaker 2: hurt and kindness matters, and we got to stand up
Speaker 2: and be the voice for our victims. If I'm not
Speaker 2: going to sit in silence when others are attacking the innocent.
Speaker 2: Isn't that what the badge represents? Well, said sir not
Speaker 2: on is it wrong? It's cruel, But we also have
Speaker 2: human nature and I'll bring this back real quick too.
Speaker 2: When the when the when we had the big mac
Speaker 2: bridge fire and we caught a lot of heat. I
Speaker 2: caught a lot of heat from people saying, well, why
Speaker 2: are you throwing homeless people under the bus. It wasn't
Speaker 2: throw homeless people of the bus. How do you solve
Speaker 2: an investment? How you start an investigation? It starts with
Speaker 2: the people closest to where the crime occurred. You know,
Speaker 2: if if the if the bridge is on fire, bridge
Speaker 2: burns away saw the video like, okay, who do you
Speaker 2: talk to? Do you talk to people in Blue Ash.
Speaker 2: Do you talk to people in the central business district?
Speaker 2: Do you start canvassing northside? Do who's around the middle
Speaker 2: of the night under bridges? Homeless people? You start the
Speaker 2: investigation there and it could very well be someone who
Speaker 2: was homeless, or if you're homeless and you're around there
Speaker 2: and maybe you saw something so of course that it's
Speaker 2: not beating, it's not punching down, and it's you know,
Speaker 2: speaking of the interwebs, you know, the activist revolution out there. No,
Speaker 2: that's where you would start an investigation, naturally, the bridge people,
Speaker 2: you know. I guess if something like this happened on
Speaker 2: rail lines, you'd probably talk to people who work along
Speaker 2: the rails. You talk to conductors and engineers. I don't
Speaker 2: know if there's still hobos, if that's a thing or not,
Speaker 2: but maybe that would be a good place to start, right,
Speaker 2: same thing here with the Nancy Guthrie disappearance. You start
Speaker 2: with the family. Usually ninety nine times of one hundreds
Speaker 2: of people closest to them, you start with family, friends,
Speaker 2: known associate. It's the last person they made contact with.
Speaker 2: Those are always the first people that they would talk
Speaker 2: to and either rule and rule out his subs of suspects,
Speaker 2: and so that makes sense. But I'm glad he came
Speaker 2: out and said, okay, enough of the armchair. You know,
Speaker 2: podcasters trying to figure out who done it when you
Speaker 2: don't have the information and evidence that we have we
Speaker 2: haven't released yet. Is also part of the problem, is
Speaker 2: we just don't have the information the FBI and local
Speaker 2: authorities have. It's just saying, okay, enough already, we've ruled
Speaker 2: them out. It's not any of the family members. Quit
Speaker 2: beating these people up. I mentioned Savannah Guthrie as part
Speaker 2: of that as well, at she has suspect in this well,
Speaker 2: of course not, but her eyes, in her body language
Speaker 2: it told me something because she is a journalist and
Speaker 2: she understands a news cycle. And what I saw in
Speaker 2: her mannerisms, in her eyes, not her words, told me
Speaker 2: a lot. It's like she put, this is the last
Speaker 2: videot on Sunday, knowing that this may be it in
Speaker 2: a sense, is that we're going to lose interest this week,
Speaker 2: and then Nancy Guthrie case barring. You know, nothing happening
Speaker 2: news wise, but the news cycle always produces something that's
Speaker 2: more gripping and relevant and interesting, and it's sad but
Speaker 2: it's true. We can only focus on one issue at
Speaker 2: a time, one atrocity at a time, and if something
Speaker 2: pops this week, that'll push this off the front page.
Speaker 2: You know, you're coming trying to come with new angles.
Speaker 2: There's really nothing there. We'll be interested with something else
Speaker 2: which hurts them, because you need the public engage in
Speaker 2: order to solve this thing. And I think I think
Speaker 2: you know, certainly Savannah knew that and watched his video
Speaker 2: go she kind of knows, like, we've got to get
Speaker 2: this thing done in the next couple hours here, a
Speaker 2: couple of days, because the public interests can start to
Speaker 2: find in the media is going to move on and
Speaker 2: social media is going to move on for that matter.
Speaker 2: That's just how it works.
Speaker 3: Anyway.
Speaker 2: I got to get a news update in and coming up.
Speaker 2: At ten oh six this morning. Greg Lawson's here Buckeye Institute.
Speaker 2: He was testifying in front of the legislator about improving
Speaker 2: our energy pause we debate AI and data centers and
Speaker 2: all this stuff and advanced manufacturing. The load on our
Speaker 2: power bill for just me and you, it's going through
Speaker 2: the roof and it's not going to stop anytime soon.
Speaker 2: How much can Columbus help us in that regard. He's
Speaker 2: next on the show on the Home of the Red
Speaker 2: seven hundred WWD Cincinnati.
Speaker 5: I don't want to be an American idiot.
Speaker 2: Got flowing back on seven hundred w welw so E.
Speaker 2: Electricity demand. We cannot talk enough about it on the
Speaker 2: show simply because we are getting We're gonna get squeez
Speaker 2: We're getting squeezed.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 2: You know, your electric rates are going up, and that
Speaker 2: is because of just an incredible amount of demand, and
Speaker 2: that is going to get worse because of the rise
Speaker 2: of data centers. So you got AI, you got EV's,
Speaker 2: you got Crypto, you got all these things. And Ohio
Speaker 2: right now is we're top five in the country. We
Speaker 2: want to be number one and well positioned to have
Speaker 2: a huge role as being an energy energy contributor. And
Speaker 2: we've had legislative reforms that have helped with as well.
Speaker 2: But there's also the local battles across the state on
Speaker 2: how to live with these giant facilities matter of factor
Speaker 2: tomorrow and have somebody down from Adams County who's who's
Speaker 2: fighting the data centers out there? But every area has
Speaker 2: a battle over data centers. We Cincinnati put a moratorium
Speaker 2: on him, just because it's so new and it's coming
Speaker 2: at us so fast. We need to kind of pump
Speaker 2: the brakes and say, okay, what are the guidelines here.
Speaker 2: We need to have some bumpers on the edges, if
Speaker 2: you will, kind of like you know, bowling for little kids.
Speaker 2: You got to put some bumpers up because we don't
Speaker 2: know where this is going. We do know what's a huge,
Speaker 2: huge energy suck which drives prices up so on. That
Speaker 2: is Greg Lawson, our buddy from Buckeye Institute in Columbus,
Speaker 2: who recently testified in front of the state legislature on this. Greg,
Speaker 2: welcome back.
Speaker 5: Are you doing great? Wonderful to be on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think I can, and I have talked
Speaker 2: a lot of that talk about this enough because this
Speaker 2: affects every person listening, and this is the future of
Speaker 2: what energy consumption and demand is going to look like
Speaker 2: here in the state. We've got to get it right
Speaker 2: from the jump.
Speaker 5: We absolutely do. It's one of the most important issues
Speaker 5: we face, the data center issue. There's a lot of
Speaker 5: you know, there's a lot of different aspects that including
Speaker 5: all the local issues and concerns. I also point out
Speaker 5: as I, as I testified actually to the State Senate
Speaker 5: Committee last week. You know, AI and data centers isn't
Speaker 5: just about jobs and economic development, although that is certainly
Speaker 5: a portion of it. It's now a national security issue.
Speaker 5: I mean, we're kind of talking, you could be a
Speaker 5: little high fallute with the rhetoric, but basically this is
Speaker 5: kind of like a Sputnik moment because we've got competition
Speaker 5: with China. So there is literally national security implications that
Speaker 5: are very much interpligned with this that cannot be ignored,
Speaker 5: and I think we need to kind of keep that
Speaker 5: uppermost in my mind where we're talking about, you know,
Speaker 5: some of the how we apply bumpers and things like
Speaker 5: that right as well. But energy lies at the core
Speaker 5: of that too, because as of right now, data centers
Speaker 5: are ravenous. They consume electricity as much as some smaller
Speaker 5: cities do. And the amount of increase that this is
Speaker 5: putting in, the stress it's putting on the overall electric
Speaker 5: grid is very real, and it is costing consumers obviously,
Speaker 5: and that's one of the things that contributes to so
Speaker 5: much of the backlash. So we need to get generation
Speaker 5: up and running, We need to get more of it built.
Speaker 5: We're going to need to work on transmission as well,
Speaker 5: which is the second piece of the puzzle when it
Speaker 5: comes to energy. But Ohio has done some good stuff.
Speaker 5: They passed two big bills last year that the governor
Speaker 5: assigned that is going to I think, really help and
Speaker 5: you're already seeing capital investment in energy happening as a
Speaker 5: result of that. But we need to be smarter about it.
Speaker 5: That's what I was satisfying about with the Senate Energy
Speaker 5: Committee last week. We need to make sure that as
Speaker 5: we're citing new sources of electricity generation that we're really
Speaker 5: looking at a number of different factories. But critically, we
Speaker 5: need cheap energy because there's going to be so much demand,
Speaker 5: and we need reliable energy, and I think that's something
Speaker 5: that a lot of times people don't think enough about.
Speaker 5: You need it to run all the time. You need
Speaker 5: what they call baseload generation that can't doesn't go off.
Speaker 5: And this is where some of the concerns. You renewables
Speaker 5: have a role to play, but there is some concern
Speaker 5: about how they operate in terms of being able to
Speaker 5: always be on and work in that way. So we
Speaker 5: need to make sure that when we're citing stuff. We're
Speaker 5: being sure that the state policy is it's cheap, it's reliable.
Speaker 5: Oh and by the way, hopefully you don't have within
Speaker 5: your supply chain a bunch of stuff from foreign adversary nation.
Speaker 2: Well that's the thing is China's pushing AI super hard.
Speaker 2: As we know in Edward a battle, a spot Nick battle,
Speaker 2: if youel Moon mission type of battle as Kennedy did
Speaker 2: nine nineteen sixties. During your testimony, Greg Lawson from Buckeye Institute,
Speaker 2: you said data centers will consume ten percent of US
Speaker 2: electricity by twenty thirty, So in four years it's going
Speaker 2: to be about ten percent of the pie. That number
Speaker 2: is going to continue to grow year over year. And
Speaker 2: so what are the implications if we just don't meet
Speaker 2: that demand here in Ohio? I throw you know, your
Speaker 2: bucket and stupid. I feel Kentucky and Indiana there as well.
Speaker 2: If we don't meet that demand, which competitors could capture
Speaker 2: that economic opportunity?
Speaker 5: This?
Speaker 2: Where would it go? Somebody's going to pick.
Speaker 5: Up on it? Well, I think so. I think you're
Speaker 5: going to see other states obviously trying to take advantage
Speaker 5: of it. I think Ohio is well positioned for a
Speaker 5: lot of reasons to really take advantage of the data
Speaker 5: center world. You know, we have a uniquely qualified workforce,
Speaker 5: I think, both in terms of the trades and things
Speaker 5: like that that are used to build these things, but
Speaker 5: also some of the tech workforce and the myriad of
Speaker 5: both universities and in particular community colleges that do a
Speaker 5: lot of workforce training. So I think Ohio is very
Speaker 5: well positioned. So it would be kind of unfortunate to
Speaker 5: see that going to other states. But one thing that
Speaker 5: worries me is if we don't get energy policy right
Speaker 5: in Ohio for sure, but broadly speaking, you know, we
Speaker 5: could see a lot of hurdles continue to get erected
Speaker 5: to these things, and if that were to happen, that
Speaker 5: again ties back into this overall competition we were talking
Speaker 5: about China. We're not you know, America is not preordained
Speaker 5: to win this competition. Just because we won the last
Speaker 5: Cold War doesn't inherently mean that you're preordained to win
Speaker 5: this one. You got to work for it, and that's
Speaker 5: something that we really need to do. So I think
Speaker 5: that Ohio has a unique role to play because of
Speaker 5: how much demand there is right now and how many
Speaker 5: data centers are coming into Ohio. But we need to
Speaker 5: be a leader, a leader that other states can look
Speaker 5: at as well, because there's going to be frankly more
Speaker 5: than enough to go around for many states. Okay, we
Speaker 5: get this wrong, it's going to be a real problem.
Speaker 2: And I think as we don't understand, I don't understand
Speaker 2: the China comparison. Can you elaborate on how China's current
Speaker 2: energy production capacities stacks up against us here in Ohio,
Speaker 2: in the Midwest and the United States, and specifically how
Speaker 2: their approach to powering AI development differs from ours.
Speaker 5: Sure, basically they have it all of the above approach.
Speaker 5: You hear a lot of folks. They're one of the lead.
Speaker 5: They are the world's leader in renewables, that's true. They're
Speaker 5: also the world leader in coal, and they're building nuclear
Speaker 5: power plants on a regular basis too. Their energy production
Speaker 5: is vastly outstrips right now what the United States is doing.
Speaker 5: And I think part of that is because you know,
Speaker 5: they're a command to control economy. They don't have some
Speaker 5: of the local constraints, some of the regulatory constraints that
Speaker 5: their regime says now shall go build, they go They
Speaker 5: do it. They don't have environmental impact statements that could
Speaker 5: take years, you know, to work through. They don't have
Speaker 5: the same kind of litigiousness in terms of legal issues
Speaker 5: that can sometimes steiny projects and stuff like that. So
Speaker 5: they are really just pedal to the metal. And you know,
Speaker 5: I don't think America has to go and do all
Speaker 5: of that, but we do need to cut through some
Speaker 5: of the red tape and things that do create delays,
Speaker 5: and we need to get a lot better again with
Speaker 5: the energy production. The problem that America kind of faces
Speaker 5: is up until recently, with the rise of data centers,
Speaker 5: we had fairly flat demand. It was very limited growth
Speaker 5: in terms of the generation. We were actually doing really
Speaker 5: well even in reducing greenhouse gas emissions, you know, because
Speaker 5: that we were seeing natural gas come online, which was
Speaker 5: somewhat cleaner than coal. Coal still had some role. Nuclear
Speaker 5: is still a big poor portion of the portfolio, and
Speaker 5: we were seeing that, but we weren't necessarily building as
Speaker 5: much because the demand wasn't there. Now, all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: we're seeing this dramatic spike in a very short period
Speaker 5: of time, and I think that's what's really making everybody
Speaker 5: kind of run around. Not a policy standpoint and say
Speaker 5: we got to act, we got to act now. And
Speaker 5: then they look across the ocean there and they look
Speaker 5: at what China's doing and they realize we're behind the
Speaker 5: eight ball.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And in China they can just seize property. You know,
Speaker 2: we have eminent domain, we have court systems to fight there.
Speaker 2: It takes a much longer. The regulatory hurdles here are extreme,
Speaker 2: and I think that comes into play too. You mentioned
Speaker 2: nuclear power. Now we do have two nuclear plants in Ohio,
Speaker 2: but how has the impact of the first energy scandal
Speaker 2: destroyed that? You know, the public trust in nuclear but
Speaker 2: in the public Utuluise Commission in a sense is that
Speaker 2: you know, sixty million dollars has funneled through this five
Speaker 2: oz one CE and Larry Householder, we know that whole story.
Speaker 2: But the plants are in trouble in the first place
Speaker 2: because they weren't profitable, and now we rely more on
Speaker 2: natural gas the nuclear that seems to be more regulatory
Speaker 2: in layers of bureaucracy, and that's why it cost so
Speaker 2: much to put new nuclear plants online and use nuclear energy,
Speaker 2: which is much much much cleaner. Will we ever get
Speaker 2: over that hurdle, especially in light of that scandal.
Speaker 5: Well, I definitely think the scandal hurt. But the one
Speaker 5: thing that I'll say that it's very positive is there
Speaker 5: are some different models coming online for nuclear power plants.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure that the future of nuclear is going
Speaker 5: to be things like the two plants or at the
Speaker 5: heart of that scandal. Now that said, interestingly enough, of course,
Speaker 5: those plants have been sold off now and you have
Speaker 5: major tech companies purchasing energy that's coming from those plants
Speaker 5: through a private arrangement, which is the way it should
Speaker 5: have worked all along, without all the subsidies and public
Speaker 5: interference and corruption that was involved with the House Built
Speaker 5: six scandal. But the things that I think we really
Speaker 5: are looking for are these what they call it small
Speaker 5: modular reactors. Now there's actually one that's supposed to be
Speaker 5: going into the old piping plant down in southern Ohio.
Speaker 5: It still needs to get federal approval. Again, there's a
Speaker 5: lot of reguatory hurdles, and when are dealing with du clear,
Speaker 5: I think everybody is rightfully concerned. Everybody kind of thinks
Speaker 5: the turnable or three mile island and things like that. Now,
Speaker 5: the new designs are very very different, much safer, but
Speaker 5: we also haven't constructed those historically, so there's a lot
Speaker 5: of work in Washington to try to kind of get
Speaker 5: at what they call turnty approach. Some designs that they
Speaker 5: have looked at. They've managed it from a safety standpoint
Speaker 5: so that if you basically go with certain kinds of
Speaker 5: pre approved designs, you can get fast or permitting. I
Speaker 5: think that is something we're going to see, but that's
Speaker 5: not right around the corner. It's coming, and I actually
Speaker 5: think it's likely to be the future. Indeed, one of
Speaker 5: the things you'll probably see with some of these data
Speaker 5: centers is a lot of on site generation where they
Speaker 5: may not even tie back into the grid overall. They
Speaker 5: may PLoP a small modular reactor or a couple of
Speaker 5: gas turbines natural gas turbines on site that just produces
Speaker 5: electricity just for that particular data center, right. I think
Speaker 5: you will see that happen more, and that would.
Speaker 3: Be a good thing.
Speaker 5: But I think SMRs, the small mods, they're going to
Speaker 5: be something that is going to come online here in
Speaker 5: the not too distant future, and I think that will
Speaker 5: be a good thing, and I think the public will
Speaker 5: understand that these are very different again from the things
Speaker 5: that have caused.
Speaker 2: So much being I think, I think, you know, absolutely right.
Speaker 2: I'm fascinated by this whole thing. And you'll see these
Speaker 2: these localized specialized power generation stations for each one of
Speaker 2: these AI facilities, and you know, the surplus they could
Speaker 2: sell back and put it a pipeline back through the grid,
Speaker 2: kind of like you do if you have solar or
Speaker 2: I don't know, wind turbine in your yard. Right, the
Speaker 2: shurplus energy you don't use, you can sell back to
Speaker 2: the provider. By law, they have to buy back. You
Speaker 2: could do that or and you know we talk about
Speaker 2: infrastructure and transmission is the key here in stringing more
Speaker 2: power lines all over. No one wants them in their backyard.
Speaker 2: They want to go over ahead. Remember the big scare
Speaker 2: but EMF frequencies causing cancer which turned out to be nothing.
Speaker 2: But people don't want those things around, so not in
Speaker 2: my backyard syndrome, much like we're fighting against AI data center.
Speaker 2: So I think the future are smaller nuclear reactors for
Speaker 2: subdivisions for I don't know, small communities. Hell, you might
Speaker 2: have one replacing your furnace, I don't know. But then
Speaker 2: that eliminates the need for transmission lines, which is a
Speaker 2: tough fertle to cross. That's the problem. China can do
Speaker 2: it because they just take the land over. It's you know,
Speaker 2: the way their governments design their way life is designed over.
Speaker 2: Their government just controls everything. Here we have, as I mentioned,
Speaker 2: courts and eminent domain fights and everything else, environmental issues
Speaker 2: and alike. If you just did it locally as opposed
Speaker 2: to regionally, that's probably what's going to happen.
Speaker 5: I think there's going to be a lot of that
Speaker 5: that absolutely does happen. And you know, again there's actually
Speaker 5: even with some of the existing lines that we have,
Speaker 5: there's some things that you can do to actually improve
Speaker 5: how much energy is going through lines and how much
Speaker 5: doesn't get lost, because that's actually kind of an issue.
Speaker 5: You know, that snapping sound you here Sometimes if you
Speaker 5: happen to be walking underneath some lines, that's basically electricity
Speaker 5: that you're losing. That's electrons that aren't going to make
Speaker 5: it to whoever is needing to use that energy. So
Speaker 5: we need to make sure we're improving some of our
Speaker 5: capacity that way as well. And you can actually do
Speaker 5: some things with existing lines now that gets complicated because
Speaker 5: then you've got to find ways to pay the utility companies.
Speaker 5: They are monopoly and things like that. So it's still
Speaker 5: some challenges, but I think that's going to be a
Speaker 5: piece of puzzle. The whole new lines is going to
Speaker 5: be a piece of the puzzle. Again, I think some
Speaker 5: of the behind the meter stuff is puzzle. We have
Speaker 5: to do a lot more and this is something Ohio
Speaker 5: a loan can't do. This is something all the states
Speaker 5: are going to have to do, is work within the
Speaker 5: grid system. We were actually part of a multi state
Speaker 5: grid that's run by a nonprofit, A kind of a
Speaker 5: complicated story for folks who aren't familiar with all the
Speaker 5: energy infrastructure. But there's a lot of backlogs in terms
Speaker 5: of connecting new generation to the overall grid, and that's
Speaker 5: actually delay. So that's another pig latory delay that we
Speaker 5: need to work on. You know, I'm a big believer
Speaker 5: eventually that will facilitate that process and make it easier
Speaker 5: because I think that will be good because I'll allow
Speaker 5: you to do what you were just describing, which is
Speaker 5: if you can produce surplus, you can sell it back,
Speaker 5: and that's something that we should really be trying to
Speaker 5: aspire to in the long run.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you know, it's an environmental thing and
Speaker 2: also a safety thing. You think of California, the wildfires
Speaker 2: are there, not all of them melatomum sparked by with
Speaker 2: the tremendous wins and the power lines going down like
Speaker 2: the campfire for example, that that that doesn't eliminate that.
Speaker 2: But you know, if you if you're using less power
Speaker 2: lines because the substations or these generating stations are closer
Speaker 2: to where people use, I mean you have fewer lines
Speaker 2: strong and less opportunity for a natural disaster, a man
Speaker 2: made disaster like this. I guess it would be Greg
Speaker 2: Lawson from Buckeye on the show, and he testified last
Speaker 2: week before the legislature in Columbus regarding our energy policy here.
Speaker 2: And we want to be and we are a major
Speaker 2: player right now. We're top five. I think we're number
Speaker 2: out of the country for data center growth. We want
Speaker 2: to be number one because that is the future of Ohio.
Speaker 2: But of course we have municipalities all over the state
Speaker 2: that are fighting in and say maybe not fighting against
Speaker 2: them per se greg but I think it's in and
Speaker 2: you know, we've learned in the past like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: come in and do the building. These big and it's
Speaker 2: not just one building. These campuses are there, they're a
Speaker 2: number of buildings are massive in their size. They don't
Speaker 2: employ all that many people. So I don't know about
Speaker 2: the you know, the local economic impact. And I think
Speaker 2: but I think residents are right to question what's in
Speaker 2: their backyard.
Speaker 5: Well, I think that this is going to be one
Speaker 5: of the hot topics too that that's going on, is
Speaker 5: there are some legitimate concerns about these And you're right,
Speaker 5: the jobs, I mean, there's some temporary jobs obviously when
Speaker 5: you do the.
Speaker 2: Construction constructions great, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: But the long term jaws typically aren't as high. Now,
Speaker 5: you know we in fact, someone we're looking at the
Speaker 5: buck Gysto right now is looking at there's a lot
Speaker 5: of knockoff effects because thinking about what these data centers
Speaker 5: do and the cloud and all the data that you use,
Speaker 5: health records, financial records, how you do purchasing online, all
Speaker 5: of the very and certainly the gaming thing for entertainment
Speaker 5: and streaming and all the things that we've become so
Speaker 5: accustomed to. All of that needs that kind of the
Speaker 5: data centers is the backbone. So there's if you don't
Speaker 5: build any of those, you don't have any of those things.
Speaker 5: So there's obviously some long term negative consequences to that.
Speaker 5: I think we have to explain that to folks now
Speaker 5: that still is going to there a lot of people
Speaker 5: are still going to say I don't want this, you know,
Speaker 5: home in my backyard kind of situation. I think that's
Speaker 5: it again why we have to kind of go back
Speaker 5: and say, look, you know, there may be some things
Speaker 5: we need to do, but we can't just have Nimby
Speaker 5: take off everywhere because if we do that here in
Speaker 5: Ohio again, it'll spread that message spread to other states.
Speaker 5: It's going to happen elsewhere, and I think that would
Speaker 5: put us at a competitive disadvantage, not just economically, but
Speaker 5: even from that security standpoint we were talking about before.
Speaker 5: And you know, that is something I think people don't
Speaker 5: necessarily think as much about that particular component of this,
Speaker 5: but it's actually really important piece of this. I think
Speaker 5: that message does need to get out there so that
Speaker 5: people can kind of understand that and factor that into
Speaker 5: their sort of decision making.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's getting you know, certainly we're getting strained here.
Speaker 2: Power bills are going up people are looking at it
Speaker 2: going why am I paying so much money? We have
Speaker 2: a and let's not forget advanced manufacturing. We just built
Speaker 2: a thirty one million dollar facility in Hamilton with Miami
Speaker 2: University to train the next generation of that workforce. And
Speaker 2: that's going to grow in Ohio as well. The manufacturing
Speaker 2: of the future is more lab based, in computer based
Speaker 2: than it was a couple of generations ago. Or it's
Speaker 2: like a big factory floor. So that's taking root here
Speaker 2: in Ohio as well. And it all means more power
Speaker 2: you use. Each just means higher bills, and we've got
Speaker 2: to find a way to produce and then transmit that
Speaker 2: energy to where it's needed. Greg Lost in the Buckeye
Speaker 2: Institute testifying before the legislature last week on this very issue.
Speaker 2: Thanks again for jumping on.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you, Thank you very much.
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Speaker 2: hoop to see you out there tonight tonight tonight. Lawyers
Speaker 2: do kind of ruin everything, don't they, And that as
Speaker 2: part of the maybe the frustration of life is each
Speaker 2: and every day we all get a little bit older,
Speaker 2: and you know, they're just the simple things in life
Speaker 2: you enjoy, like Foo. Food never lets you do, never
Speaker 2: lets you down. The war on food continues. Costco is
Speaker 2: facing a class action lawsuit over their chicken. They're Kirkland
Speaker 2: Signature seasoned rotisserie chicken. Are you a fan of Costco chicken?
Speaker 2: I know you're a fan of the pizza slice at
Speaker 2: the deli. You know they have the food court. Well
Speaker 2: not even a food court there. It's basically what it is.
Speaker 2: You know, get they got the cheese, they got a pepperoni,
Speaker 2: you can get. I think they've got like a turkey
Speaker 2: sandar tok, a bunch of stuff, and it's it's interestedly cheap.
Speaker 2: They're known for their dollar fifty quarter pound hot dog
Speaker 2: and pop for a buck fifty. And I think the
Speaker 2: rotests chicken, I believe it is like five bucks. It's unreal.
Speaker 2: It's a giant chicken and you get for a five
Speaker 2: or six bucks. It's insane. You just grab one and
Speaker 2: you bring it home. It's delicious, delicious. Why are they
Speaker 2: getting sued? The Costco rotisserie chicken probably one of the
Speaker 2: most purchased food items in the United States. For that matter,
Speaker 2: they sell more chickens than anyone in the United States
Speaker 2: because of that. And the fight is over whether or
Speaker 2: not the label on the outside says there's no preserves
Speaker 2: in it, but the plaintips call it actually contains preservatives.
Speaker 2: The preservatives are sodium phosphate and carried genin carried gene
Speaker 2: and I believe is seaweed, and of course sodium phosphate.
Speaker 2: It's salt liquid salt, and so the hinge. The Crux
Speaker 2: lawsuit is the nut impression, Meaning even if a Costco
Speaker 2: technicalist ingredients somewhere, the dominant marketing message on the label
Speaker 2: is no preserved. On the bag it says no preservatives.
Speaker 2: So what do you perceive? What do you rely on?
Speaker 2: What information? So what you're saying is we're suing Costco
Speaker 2: over seasoning. See this is how lawyers a ruined stuff.
Speaker 2: Now they maintaine the label. I don't know what the
Speaker 2: remedy is here. I'll probably get in a few months
Speaker 2: a card from some settlement in the mail that says
Speaker 2: you are part of your Costco member, you are so
Speaker 2: part of this class action lawsuit for against Big Chicken
Speaker 2: against mislabeled products. And you send the card in and
Speaker 2: you get out a check for forty cents. A lawyer
Speaker 2: makes all the money. You get forty cents for that
Speaker 2: chicken doesn't even buy me. Doesn't mean by the tip
Speaker 2: of the wing, nobody eats man forty cents? Come on,
Speaker 2: what are we doing over here? But the problem is, like,
Speaker 2: you know what's gonna do. It's just gonna drive the
Speaker 2: cost of the Chicken's gonna go up to pay for
Speaker 2: the furlos lawsuit, and this is a thing in lawsuits
Speaker 2: involving food litigation. It's basically it's called front of package
Speaker 2: versus a back of label arguments. And the logic is
Speaker 2: that courts are generally recognized that technically accurate fine print
Speaker 2: disclosures don't automatically neutralize the advertising claim, and so it's
Speaker 2: called net impression. The net impression doctrine meaning doesn't matter
Speaker 2: if the truth is technically somewhere on the package, if
Speaker 2: the experience of buying product creates a false belief. So
Speaker 2: that is what the FTC the Federal Trade Commission is
Speaker 2: centered around. At the same time as like, come on, man,
Speaker 2: you don't expect chicken to have some some salt in it?
Speaker 2: And I guess I don't know what the kerriagenin does.
Speaker 2: I think it is basically makes an and may probably
Speaker 2: just continue to make it juicy. But it's it's seaweed.
Speaker 2: It's not like it's chemicals. I mean, technically sodium phosphate is.
Speaker 2: But you still put salt on your chicken, at least
Speaker 2: I hope you would, because it's going to be nasty
Speaker 2: if it doesn't have that stuff in it. And some
Speaker 2: seaweed seems perfectly natural. I mean, it's not like they're
Speaker 2: pumping it full of steroids and things like that be
Speaker 2: a different story. So for me, I don't know.
Speaker 6: I just.
Speaker 2: There are very few things in life as you get
Speaker 2: older that bring you so much joy, and rotisserie chicken
Speaker 2: definitely brings. I felt I should I feel I should
Speaker 2: bring Segin is like our seven hundred w he's like that.
Speaker 2: He's our Chicken Report's senior poultry correspondent, Bill sag Dennison
Speaker 2: to talk about Costco chicken. I don't know if he's
Speaker 2: ever had Costco chicken, but he's our seven hundred chicken expert.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna save that topic for maybe an upcoming Stooge Report.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe later day you'll hear that the dispute over.
Speaker 2: It's like, come on, man, are you gonna go after pepper.
Speaker 2: It's like it's supposed to be seasoned. I get it.
Speaker 2: If you know all natural chicken and you go to
Speaker 2: some fast food place and it's not okay, I get that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Donald's coffee is supposed to be hot, got it, But
Speaker 2: it's too hot and that's why now it's luke warm.
Speaker 2: You've ruined it. I hope they don't ruin the Costco
Speaker 2: chick and damn well, I'll tell you what you want
Speaker 2: to start a you want to start a civil war
Speaker 2: in this country. It's not gonna be over politics. It's
Speaker 2: not gonna be over racial issues, gender orientations. It's going
Speaker 2: to be over the dollar fifty hot dog at Costco.
Speaker 2: You start going after that, after the pizza slice. It's
Speaker 2: on because Costco army. We run deep. A lot of
Speaker 2: people love them. Some Costco will fight to the death.
Speaker 2: You can. You can fight me on this whole thing
Speaker 2: all you want. You can take that chicken drumstick out
Speaker 2: of my cold dead hand. How's that sound? You think
Speaker 2: you got problems? Think Costco's got problems here somebody else
Speaker 2: having problems. They'll love. We like to punch down to
Speaker 2: the French. I don't just think it's the thing at
Speaker 2: this point. So we had that big heist last summer,
Speaker 2: remember that of the inside job. So just a couple
Speaker 2: days of a water pipe burst that damage a nineteenth
Speaker 2: century ceiling, and the ceiling was just the ceiling was
Speaker 2: actually a work of art. And then a water leak
Speaker 2: in November damaged several hundred works in the Library of
Speaker 2: Egyptian antiquities, which is a big, big deal. So you're
Speaker 2: starting to wonder like, should we be trusting the lou
Speaker 2: Should we trusting the French to keep all of these
Speaker 2: antiquities and all this because they don't be doing that
Speaker 2: good job. You know, we're stealing stuff. We've got water leaks,
Speaker 2: we got pipes bursting. What's going on over You've got
Speaker 2: the they had to shut down because they don't have
Speaker 2: people working. But what are we doing here France? And
Speaker 2: we want to be more like the French? Right, they're
Speaker 2: now investigating a twelve million dollar fraud scheme and I'm
Speaker 2: still trying to figure this out. So here's the fraud
Speaker 2: scheme that detained nine people and two museum employees and
Speaker 2: some tour guides. So there were two Chinese tour guides,
Speaker 2: two to two guides. And how it works if you've
Speaker 2: never been abroad New Europe anywhere else for that matter,
Speaker 2: you know, if you're part to big group, and we
Speaker 2: did used to do this with YMT vacations back in
Speaker 2: the day. Probably with a group, you know, you have
Speaker 2: a somebody who leads the pack around, you know, the
Speaker 2: den mother, and this person will get you to the
Speaker 2: head of the line for group tours and things because
Speaker 2: errel juiced and they buy, they get you around and
Speaker 2: they speak the language. They're you know, they're they're you're
Speaker 2: you're hiring a fixers, which are but they'll they'll show
Speaker 2: you the sites and they get you like the groups
Speaker 2: of the front of the line, so you don't have
Speaker 2: to wait with everybody else because you know, they give
Speaker 2: you priority if you're in a tour group. That's what
Speaker 2: they pay for. That's what you pay for. Anyway, the Chinese,
Speaker 2: two Chinese tour guides dealing I guess with just Chinese
Speaker 2: citizens were suspective reusing tickets to bring Chinese tourists into
Speaker 2: the museum. So they had surveillance that they had wired
Speaker 2: debs and it confirmed that some guys were reusing tickets
Speaker 2: and splitting tour groups to avoid fees. And the network
Speaker 2: is suspected of bringing in up to twenty tour groups
Speaker 2: a day over the past ten years and then taking
Speaker 2: the profits and using it to buy real state in
Speaker 2: France and also Dubai. And this may have also happened
Speaker 2: at the Palace of over Side. They're still investigating that.
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, help me out here. Twenty groups a day,
Speaker 2: bringing in twenty groups a day, and then they took
Speaker 2: the profit to invest in real estate. But they're using tickets,
Speaker 2: saying seems to me like I'm looking at that going
Speaker 2: this doesn't seem like a high level crime. But they
Speaker 2: just continue to get more bad press over there. At
Speaker 2: some point you go, why are we trusting all of
Speaker 2: these wonderful things to you get you guys can't handle this,
Speaker 2: And the cry was, you know, we need to expand
Speaker 2: and we need to modernize, we need to hire people.
Speaker 2: Will when you go there, you pay a lot of
Speaker 2: money as a tourist to go see these sites. There's
Speaker 2: fees involved in this. How are you not taking that
Speaker 2: money and spending it on weald security and plumbing leaves
Speaker 2: to scratch your I go, well, where's the money going?
Speaker 2: So you could go on strike and take another day off.
Speaker 2: A whole problem with the model over there, It is
Speaker 2: definitely for sure broken. As long as this doesn't flop
Speaker 2: over to the Costco Chicken, I think I think we're okay.
Speaker 2: Quick time out. We've got news in about twelve here
Speaker 2: coming up at eleven oh seven. He is the president
Speaker 2: of the Queens City Lodge of the Fraternal Order of Police.
Speaker 2: That would be ken Kober. We've had a spade of
Speaker 2: shootings here recently, and and I want to drum up
Speaker 2: the old tired narrative about how dangerous it is in Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: Really that's relative, but certainly it's a concerning trend. We've
Speaker 2: had now shootings on Valentine's Day on a party bus
Speaker 2: could happen. Right on a party bus, You're going to
Speaker 2: get shot. That's not good. We had the North Side shooting,
Speaker 2: two people dead, two injured, and that was more concerning
Speaker 2: because you know, there are a lot more people around
Speaker 2: and on all of that, if you looked at some
Speaker 2: of the coverage of this thing, you saw literally bullet
Speaker 2: holes in buildings, in storefronts, and now people are going,
Speaker 2: I don't know if on new business in North Side,
Speaker 2: this is not the first time it's happened. And at
Speaker 2: least one individual there said I want to move my business.
Speaker 2: Whether that happens or not yet to be seen. And
Speaker 2: then last night, a the body of a female this
Speaker 2: seed and someone who was shot was found at Lynn
Speaker 2: and Poplar Streets. So consecutive days of homicides here in Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: The numbers going right now statistically speaking, it's forty percent,
Speaker 2: but it's like I think we had I think we
Speaker 2: went from eight to ten or something like that, So
Speaker 2: you know how many is it? But I'll ask Ken Cober,
Speaker 2: this whole situation is like, Okay, well, I know it's
Speaker 2: we're only halfway through February and we only it's a
Speaker 2: very very small sample, you know, a month and a
Speaker 2: half in, but we're seeing crime rise. You're over your
Speaker 2: last month and now this month we're ahead on pace.
Speaker 2: And it's a legitimate question is this a sign? Can
Speaker 2: you see a trend here if this continues through February
Speaker 2: and then March. Considering we've had incredibly cold temperatures for
Speaker 2: this year and we haven't seen we finally above the
Speaker 2: freezing mark. But all of these crimes happened when it
Speaker 2: was pretty damn cold outside. So if we're seeing those
Speaker 2: homicides occur when it's cold and typically people are out
Speaker 2: congregating and doing stuff, what does this mean when we
Speaker 2: hit festival season? What does this mean from opening day
Speaker 2: on forward? And can you look at this and be
Speaker 2: at least concerned that it is a trend and that's
Speaker 2: not a trend with a month and a half for sure.
Speaker 2: I would say to me, three months probably makes a trend.
Speaker 2: But we're two of those three months in already. If
Speaker 2: that's the case, should we be concerned? Legitimate question? And
Speaker 2: also what's really changing when it comes to stopping crime.
Speaker 2: We've heard a lot about cameras, We've heard a lot
Speaker 2: about judges, and I'm curious. I'll ask Ken this are
Speaker 2: we seeing movement there are judges now maybe going you
Speaker 2: know what, maybe we really need to take the fact
Speaker 2: that when people break or take off or ignore their
Speaker 2: ankle monitors, that we have to get them immediately and
Speaker 2: elevate that to a serious felony, which I think it
Speaker 2: is because if you are taking off your ankle monitor,
Speaker 2: or if you're simply you know, you're outside of your
Speaker 2: confines of the ankle monitor, of your restriction, it's probably
Speaker 2: not because you know, you just decided, Hey, I'm out
Speaker 2: of food, I need to go to Kroger, I need
Speaker 2: to go to the store. I got bills to pay. No,
Speaker 2: it's probably you're going to do something bad. So to me,
Speaker 2: it's like we've got someone who got a monitor on them.
Speaker 2: We should know where they are. Let's go get them.
Speaker 2: We took that more seriously, I think that people who
Speaker 2: are on that restriction would, But if you don't, then
Speaker 2: you won't. That's how it is kind of like, you know,
Speaker 2: the cameras. To some degree, we talked about, hey, we
Speaker 2: got to put cameras and cameras go okay, someone a
Speaker 2: kid died two years ago, we put cameras in a park,
Speaker 2: except we didn't, and so rightly. So now today it's like, well,
Speaker 2: you told us you're doing this stuff, and you're not
Speaker 2: doing it. It's is that what's fueling the whole problem.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Cannill have perspective on that coming up.
Speaker 2: And of course I should point out two that day
Speaker 2: yesterday in the Indianapolis area, which is just actually outside
Speaker 2: of Indy, a two officers shot, one fatally on the job.
Speaker 2: And that always, I always said that always literally hits
Speaker 2: for police officers too, because that is in the back
Speaker 2: of your mind all the time, and when it happens
Speaker 2: to someone as close away, whether it's Indy or Cleveland
Speaker 2: or Columbus or Louisville or it doesn't matter, but an
Speaker 2: officer down is pauster concern for local law enforcement. So
Speaker 2: we'll talk to Ken Kober about that today. Coming up
Speaker 2: on the show on seven hundred w W then eleven
Speaker 2: thirty five, it's Andy Schaeffer simply Money, our weekly money
Speaker 2: check up. AI making news once again today. Earlier in
Speaker 2: the show, I had some been talking about the AI
Speaker 2: revolution here and what that actually is going to mean
Speaker 2: for the state of Ohio because we're trying to grow
Speaker 2: this stuff out. But AI stock's taking a hit for sure,
Speaker 2: what the long term consequences of that are and more.
Speaker 2: It's coming up in just a few minutes here on
Speaker 2: the Scottsland Show on seven hundred WLW. Final point here too.
Speaker 2: We have the Olympics going on, and there's always controversy
Speaker 2: in the Olympics. You know, we had the quad God
Speaker 2: and also we had when you have when you invest
Speaker 2: all your marketing and like a couple athletes going, this
Speaker 2: is gonna be the greatest thing ever. And like the
Speaker 2: quad God, he's going to do a couple of quadruple
Speaker 2: no one's ever done this before, and he missed them both.
Speaker 2: You know, look at the guy going just tapping your thumbs,
Speaker 2: stapping your fingers, going, yeah, that was your thing and
Speaker 2: now it's not. And you feel badly for him because
Speaker 2: now there's all the pressure and the NonStop questioning over
Speaker 2: his routine certainly going to cost some mental health issues
Speaker 2: for sure. Maybe we'll talk to Julie Hattershare about that
Speaker 2: on Monday. I think it's a good topic. And of course,
Speaker 2: you know, we have had skiers going down, Lindsay Vaughn
Speaker 2: who's blown her leg out like three times. I don't
Speaker 2: know if she's gonna come back from this one, but
Speaker 2: that was sad to see for sure. We also have
Speaker 2: this controversy going on in Canada, and I think it's awesome.
Speaker 2: The curling team. You know, watch a lot of curling.
Speaker 2: Curling's on those sports where you would not watch it,
Speaker 2: probably when it wasn't in the Olympics. So every four
Speaker 2: years like, oh yeah, curling. Now where I grew up in,
Speaker 2: you know, up in New York State, we'd get Canadian
Speaker 2: TV state back in the day when you had broadcast
Speaker 2: come over, we had three two, you know, and we're
Speaker 2: lucky too because normally, you know, back they had four
Speaker 2: TV hits channels. I think we had eight because of
Speaker 2: the Canadian ones. But the Crappies stuff would be on
Speaker 2: like you'd wake up Saturday morning as a kid and
Speaker 2: flip around looking for cartoons and it'd be you know,
Speaker 2: religious programs, I mean in loveless yoga and you and
Speaker 2: the Canadian TV had have curling on like this, this sucks,
Speaker 2: but curling I'm kind of exposed to it back in
Speaker 2: the day, which is like Canada's version of cornhole. So
Speaker 2: the curling team is accused of cheating. On Friday, Sweden
Speaker 2: was all up in their face and literally look like
Speaker 2: they're gonna start hitting each other with the brooms. They're
Speaker 2: swearing at each other, calling to dropping the F bob.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is curling. It seems like a gentile
Speaker 2: sport right all because one of the I guess the curlers,
Speaker 2: once you let go of the handle, you're not allowed
Speaker 2: to touch it, but it looked like he was putting
Speaker 2: his finger, just touching it with his index finger and
Speaker 2: kind of guiding as it left his hand, and the
Speaker 2: Swedes were calling him out on that one. But there
Speaker 2: was no formal complaint in that thing and no one
Speaker 2: was sanctioned and Canada went on. So it was kind
Speaker 2: of funny to watch all the sports things don't really
Speaker 2: take like, you know, all athletes are competitive and I
Speaker 2: see hot you know, hockey SPI watch hockey players scrap
Speaker 2: all the time, you know, facewash, guys punching each other
Speaker 2: with my fight might brain out. But curly just seems
Speaker 2: like a sport where we wouldn't have that. Oh you
Speaker 2: know what, when you're competitive, doesn't matter the sport. People
Speaker 2: are still willing to throw down, still willing to throw down.
Speaker 2: We'll do a news update as I mentioned, Ken Coober's
Speaker 2: next on the show at seven hundred WLW. Do you
Speaker 2: want to be in a man Stott Flung show? On
Speaker 2: seven hundred w LW. As we cut through, it's on
Speaker 2: this Tuesday, getting ready for some Marty Gray action tonight.
Speaker 2: More on that later. We had let's see a shooting
Speaker 2: on a party of us on Valentine's Day we in
Speaker 2: that left one dead, one injured. Sunday we had about
Speaker 2: one forty am two people killed, two more injury to
Speaker 2: shooting at a club on Hamilton Avenue in North Side.
Speaker 2: Of course, overnight we have a body that was found
Speaker 2: one at Lynn and Poplar, I believe. So they're kind
Speaker 2: of a steady drumbeat of homicides and the numbers are
Speaker 2: up a little bit year over year, which is causing
Speaker 2: concern joining the show this morning as the president of
Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Lodge Quincy Lodge FOP at be Ken cober Ken.
Speaker 1: Welcome you been, hey, good morning, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: I'm doing well.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: First I did want to give condolences because anytime an
Speaker 2: officer goes down to matter where it has costs for
Speaker 2: reflection and concerned. And we just had two officers shut
Speaker 2: outside Indianapolis yesterday won fatally for that matter, So condolences.
Speaker 1: Appreciate it. It's terrible. Actually, I was just an Indianapolis over
Speaker 1: the weekend and it's just terrible, terrible that things like
Speaker 1: this happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does, well, we'll see. I know that they
Speaker 2: caught the guy responsible or the subject anyway, so that's
Speaker 2: get him off the street anyway and behind bars if
Speaker 2: not worse. But so we had a reduction after the
Speaker 2: last for well the first two months of this year.
Speaker 2: I guess we're seeing your rise after reduction last year.
Speaker 2: So crime was down, but two high I said, mentioned
Speaker 2: the high profile shootings and the fatal last night at
Speaker 2: popular Land. Crime numbers this year and it's again it's
Speaker 2: a very small sample. We're halfway through February, but a
Speaker 2: year of a year were up like forty percent. In
Speaker 2: considering the fact that it has been bloody cold ever
Speaker 2: since Christmas. That takes a lot of doing to get
Speaker 2: people out on the streets shooting people or in this
Speaker 2: case clubs. Maybe is that a concern and is that
Speaker 2: a concern of the hot summer to come?
Speaker 1: Sure, it absolutely is. I mean we did see a
Speaker 1: little bit of spike in a little bit warmer weather,
Speaker 1: which I'm sure it probably contributed to more people being
Speaker 1: out and of course had alcohol and guns at at
Speaker 1: a nightclub and you know that's is a recipe for disaster.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it is very concerning that it's still this
Speaker 1: cold and you know we're seeing you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: we're up to ten homicides already this year. That's certainly concerning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how do we compare it to other cities like like,
Speaker 2: for example, Cleveland or maybe Columbus.
Speaker 1: You know, it's ironic. I was reading an article and
Speaker 1: talked to the Columbus e FIP president who's a friend
Speaker 1: of mine, and Columbus so far this year, which is
Speaker 1: almost twice the size of Cincinnati and typically is much
Speaker 1: more violent, and they're actually they have a big reduction
Speaker 1: in homicides already. I mean they have six, we're at ten.
Speaker 1: That is certainly a troubling trend. I'm not sure what
Speaker 1: to attribute it to, but it is certainly concerning that
Speaker 1: city half the size of Columbus is almost doubling them
Speaker 1: in homicides already this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're metro areas that were huge. Our birds are bigger,
Speaker 2: but the sides of the city itself is massive, and
Speaker 2: they've had ten. Yeah, I look at it, go wow,
Speaker 2: what's causing this? Because you really have to work hard
Speaker 2: to get out in this cold weather. Generally the cold
Speaker 2: scarce street crime away naturally, but you have a fear
Speaker 2: once it starts to warm up and we get into
Speaker 2: the summer celebration season that we might see a very
Speaker 2: bloody summer. It doesn't mean that that's not going to
Speaker 2: reverse course, but it certainly is something we should be
Speaker 2: looking at.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and it's I talked about this at
Speaker 1: nauseum now and how the court system is not doing
Speaker 1: anything to protect the community. I just had an officer
Speaker 1: call me this past week. It was just furious. He
Speaker 1: had a court case where a young man driving drunk
Speaker 1: hits and kills somebody aggravated vehicular homicide literally kills somebody
Speaker 1: driving a car. He ends up getting six months at
Speaker 1: River City in a three years of probation. I mean
Speaker 1: literally a slap on the rift. You know, I spent
Speaker 1: a couple of years in our traffic unit back in
Speaker 1: the early two thousands, where if you got a conviction
Speaker 1: for an aggravated vikio homicide, you took somebody's life because
Speaker 1: you were drunk, you were high, whatever else, you were
Speaker 1: looking at minimum five six years in prison.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and now.
Speaker 1: Six months, six months, and this person's going to be
Speaker 1: back running around on the streets. You know, when there
Speaker 1: are no consequences for your actions. This is exactly what
Speaker 1: we're seeing. I mean, people are just going to continue
Speaker 1: to shoot each other because they're not fearing any kind
Speaker 1: of consequence.
Speaker 2: Well, no question, we saw the His name was Robert Shall.
Speaker 2: He was charged with murdering the drive by shooting that
Speaker 2: killed Justin Johnson when Thursday Night football was in town
Speaker 2: last year. It was the Bengals name. But you're right
Speaker 2: in front of the end between tavern. This guy's weren't
Speaker 2: an ankle monitor for charges considering a concealed weapon of
Speaker 2: legal gun possession a gun under disability. He got a
Speaker 2: twenty thousand dollars bond, paid ten percent of that in
Speaker 2: electronic monitoring. Back in interview, you know he's around shooting
Speaker 2: people with an ankle monitor on. We also recall the
Speaker 2: pivotal moment at Fountain Square where Shaquille Ferguson said it
Speaker 2: was dell self defense. The people he shot through the
Speaker 2: window of City Bird Chicken were actually armed and pointing
Speaker 2: a gun at him. And that's you know, where people
Speaker 2: are around on Fountain Square. He was put on probation
Speaker 2: a month before for a violent crime. Is this whole
Speaker 2: narrative with judges being two lax and also the enforcement
Speaker 2: and getting people off the streets who are in violation
Speaker 2: of breaking or wearing their ankle monitor outside the alerts
Speaker 2: go off. Have we got any better about that since
Speaker 2: the summer?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: I think you look at Cincinnati wanted to be a
Speaker 1: sanctuary city. Apparently the Hamilton County Courthouse he's become a
Speaker 1: sanctuary for criminals. There's just no accountability. And as long
Speaker 1: as we continue to see that no accountability, you know,
Speaker 1: if there's no consequences, people are going to go out
Speaker 1: and do whatever they want. They're going to commit violent crime,
Speaker 1: knowing that they're going to be right back out. And
Speaker 1: that's exactly what we're seeing.
Speaker 2: Why do you think judges aren't listening to this outcraft
Speaker 2: from the public.
Speaker 1: I think some of these judges they ran on this,
Speaker 1: they ran on bail reform, they ran on making sure
Speaker 1: that you know, there's this social justice, all of these things,
Speaker 1: so they're not being shy about it. And it's what
Speaker 1: the county's voting for. You know, we had some fantastic
Speaker 1: judges that have recently been you know, kicked out of
Speaker 1: office in exchange for judges who have said, no, we
Speaker 1: want lower no bail, or we're doing cashlest bill, We're
Speaker 1: doing all these things. So it's exactly what they're saying
Speaker 1: they want to do, and for whatever reason, the people
Speaker 1: in the county are going for this, and it's just
Speaker 1: it's making this county much more dangerous and it's going
Speaker 1: to continue to.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know, the county can cover continues
Speaker 2: to vote and look look at it, you know, despite
Speaker 2: the problems with Terry Thigi and we'll get into that
Speaker 2: in just a second. Ball these things and at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, we just elected all the people
Speaker 2: that had a hand on this to begin with, it's
Speaker 2: not a concern for the resident Cincinnati, why should it
Speaker 2: be concerned for you?
Speaker 1: Then one might ask, well, and that's that's the hard
Speaker 1: part is because you know, every police officer, like much
Speaker 1: self Swort, took an oath to protect the communities we serve, right,
Speaker 1: and it's extremely frustrating when you have officers that are
Speaker 1: going out doing great work getting guns off the street.
Speaker 1: You're getting violent offenders off the street, only to be
Speaker 1: let out. Yeah, you know, I'm quite honestly, I am
Speaker 1: surprised that the doors in the courthouse haven't come off
Speaker 1: the tracks because the door is revolving so quickly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's ridiculous and it's frustrating to see
Speaker 1: that it's going on, and it makes cops feel helpless
Speaker 1: a lot of times.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Ken Cober, president of the Queen City Lodge FOP, on
Speaker 2: the show this morning on seven hundred WLW, and talking
Speaker 2: about the shooting last night. We have a steady stated
Speaker 2: of shootings here on North Side and you look at
Speaker 2: that one in particular, Ken, that's troubling because there's a
Speaker 2: business owner. I was watching the news last night. I
Speaker 2: think it was five and this guy owns an appliance
Speaker 2: place and it's in front of his building shot up.
Speaker 2: He said, yeah, it's not the first time he goes.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about moving off the main strip out of
Speaker 2: the way. You know, here's a community like Norris Side.
Speaker 2: Generally there's crime there, but it's not like the areas
Speaker 2: that typically we see when it's started. When bullets start
Speaker 2: flying around there and people going, hey, listen, I'm out,
Speaker 2: that should be a wake up call to those leading
Speaker 2: our city.
Speaker 1: You would think you would think the elected leaders would
Speaker 1: look at this and see that businesses are frustrated, citizens
Speaker 1: are frustrated, the police are frustrated. Maybe we should change
Speaker 1: our ideology. But then again, you continue to get re elected.
Speaker 1: So apparently, you know, the people that are speaking out
Speaker 1: about crime, the people that are speaking out against the violence,
Speaker 1: or maybe the minority of their voters.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't either. I mean, I get it. We
Speaker 2: have to look at you know, we're locking people up
Speaker 2: from marijuana possession and stuff like that, and clearly that
Speaker 2: was wrongheaded. And now we're talking about expunging records and
Speaker 2: banning the box. I have no problem with that. But
Speaker 2: when someone picks up the gun and commission of a
Speaker 2: crime of a violent felony and then they get released
Speaker 2: on their own recognizance to go out and do it again,
Speaker 2: they completely thumb their nose at the system. I mean,
Speaker 2: you're past the point of reform. I would think at
Speaker 2: that case, if you didn't learn your leus in the
Speaker 2: first time, why are we giving you a second chance.
Speaker 2: I think that's fair. I think most people in Cincinnati's
Speaker 2: voters look at that and go, yeah, that that seems
Speaker 2: about right. If you're going to be a predator with
Speaker 2: a weapon, uh, and you don't get the message the
Speaker 2: first time and you do it literally, why you're well,
Speaker 2: you just got to you walked out. Of course, someone
Speaker 2: just right coun walked out of court basically and reviolated
Speaker 2: after promising they'd get a job and be on community
Speaker 2: controlling all these wonderful things they promised. A judge, I'm
Speaker 2: sorry when you break it. I don't think there should
Speaker 2: be a third chance.
Speaker 1: No, I completely agree. I absolutely agree with you. And
Speaker 1: unfortunately that is not the ideology of many of these
Speaker 1: judges in Hamilton County, and there is going to be
Speaker 1: a direct correlation between a bloody summer and you know,
Speaker 1: these criminals not being held accountable. We're going to see
Speaker 1: a time and time again. I'm mean, look at you know,
Speaker 1: just just from the city aspect. You know, they just
Speaker 1: re elected all the city council, you know, the mayor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was said, look, we're this is we're all
Speaker 1: for cashless bail, we're all for our bonds, and they
Speaker 1: vote them. So it's clearly this is what they want. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So this is what they're gonna get.
Speaker 2: This is the effect of that too. And it's certainly
Speaker 2: not everyone, but it's enough towards a steady drum beat.
Speaker 2: And the crime numbers are going back up again a
Speaker 2: very very small sample, and you're talking in different fan
Speaker 2: like seven last year and ten this year. But still
Speaker 2: it's not the right trajectory and it's not a good
Speaker 2: look for these folks. I'll also ask too that you know,
Speaker 2: if if all of this stuff about getting rid of
Speaker 2: Terry Thiji was driven by the rise and crime, the
Speaker 2: problem if the numbers are going back up again, is
Speaker 2: this all on Terry Thigi And not only that, the
Speaker 2: fact of the matters. I think the Inquirer just did
Speaker 2: a piece on this. The other day, going what what
Speaker 2: is good? The contract's going to expire with the local
Speaker 2: law firm with' taft in literally just a week or so.
Speaker 2: That said, hey, we got to get this thing wrapped up.
Speaker 2: And there's still nothing coming out about She's still the
Speaker 2: chief technically, and Henny is still the interim chief. That
Speaker 2: doesn't look like it's changed anytime soon. I meant, how
Speaker 2: much longer do you have to investigate to find out
Speaker 2: why you fired her in the first place.
Speaker 1: It's funny. Trying to blame it in the chief of
Speaker 1: police for crime is like blaming McDonald's for somebody being obese.
Speaker 1: It's it's nonsense. You know, there's only so many things
Speaker 1: the police chief can do. There's only so much that
Speaker 1: the police can do here. We're one hundred and forty
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty officers short. Can't be everywhere. At the
Speaker 1: same time, you know, at some point there's going to
Speaker 1: have to be a culture shift within the city of
Speaker 1: Cincinnati to say, you know what, we're going to find
Speaker 1: a way to resolve our differences instead of picking up
Speaker 1: a gun because we're upset with somebody. And until that changes,
Speaker 1: you know, we're going to see kind of the same thing,
Speaker 1: and then until judges decide, you know what, if you're
Speaker 1: carrying a gun and you're committing a violent crime, you're
Speaker 1: going to go to prison and you're going to go
Speaker 1: there for a long time. Until those things change and
Speaker 1: it's actually publicized. Yeah, I'd love to see the headlines of,
Speaker 1: you know, the latest homicide suspect, you know is going
Speaker 1: to spend the next thirty years in prison for taking
Speaker 1: somebody's life. Now, that might actually get somebody's attention. But
Speaker 1: until then, all of these headlines of you know, four
Speaker 1: people shot here, two people shot here, it's almost become
Speaker 1: just like background noise. I think people are so desensitized
Speaker 1: to all they're like tall. They wake up and see
Speaker 1: there is oh, oh, big surprise, there's another shooting in Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: and somehow it's become acceptable. And until that changes, until
Speaker 1: that mindset changes of look, we actually value human life
Speaker 1: and we're not going to tolerate this nonsense. And it
Speaker 1: starts with elective officials, it starts with these judges. Until
Speaker 1: those things change, you're going to continue to see the
Speaker 1: same thing over and over.
Speaker 2: Well, relative to the Chief Fiji investigation, that she's still
Speaker 2: hanging and twisting in the wind because she is technically
Speaker 2: not fired, well not fired at all, because we've got
Speaker 2: to find an investigation as to why we fired in
Speaker 2: the first place. I think does that hamstring things for
Speaker 2: you in a sense that you know, we've got well,
Speaker 2: we've got to do more research to find out why
Speaker 2: we fired in the first place. That's not a good
Speaker 2: I don't think that sits well. And maybe they just
Speaker 2: hope we forget about it. But the other element of
Speaker 2: this is is Adam Henny, who through all in accounts
Speaker 2: that I here is a good guy. He just how
Speaker 2: much juice could he have if he's still the interim chief.
Speaker 1: You're absolutely correct, you know, it's it's doing a disservice
Speaker 1: to him. It's doing a disservice to all the other
Speaker 1: men and women that were in this uniform that we're
Speaker 1: all We're all just kind of in limbo right now.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, well, you know, he's the interim chief,
Speaker 1: so there's some changes that he can make, but any
Speaker 1: any change of any real, real, uh substance isn't going
Speaker 1: to happen until we have a permanent chief. And I
Speaker 1: understand that, but we're just going to keep on dragging
Speaker 1: this along. You know, who knows what's going to happen
Speaker 1: at the end of this month, and then you know
Speaker 1: where do we go from there? Are they gonna are
Speaker 1: they going to bring her back or are they going
Speaker 1: to say, okay, well you know Adams now the chief
Speaker 1: who knows well. But this this just keeps on dragging.
Speaker 2: It's also not unlike the you know, the the what
Speaker 2: happened over the summer too, with the big fight downtown
Speaker 2: after the music festival, and like that case just simply
Speaker 2: no one's talking about. It's just simply evaporated. We're waiting
Speaker 2: for Yeah, the testament it came out from the prosecute
Speaker 2: off was like, well, it wasn't the racial beatdown that
Speaker 2: we thought it was. Actually the white guy was a victim.
Speaker 2: And ever since then, the people who have called for,
Speaker 2: you know, the heads of white peop people essentially we've
Speaker 2: got to prosecute this guy like everybody else turns out
Speaker 2: there now no one's talking about. It's just still like
Speaker 2: simply f I've never seen a case that big go
Speaker 2: away and literally in the corners of hush conversations around
Speaker 2: the city, that's all you hear. But no one's talking
Speaker 2: about that either it's I wouldn't call it a conspiracy
Speaker 2: or cover up because you can't do that. But I
Speaker 2: think the THEIJI case in this are remarkably similar is that, yeah,
Speaker 2: it doesn't fit the narrative and kind of made it
Speaker 2: go away.
Speaker 1: Well, sure, you know, they put they put the cart
Speaker 1: before the horse, and then all of a sudden, now
Speaker 1: they're trying to backtrack and figure out, Okay, what do
Speaker 1: we do now? We put ourselves in a bad, bad predicament,
Speaker 1: and what do we do now?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, Also with the cameras, right, we had to
Speaker 2: for the first shooting at the Laurel Playground a couple
Speaker 2: of years ago. Uh, the cry was, hey, we're gonna
Speaker 2: put cameras all over. Well we didn't do that, and
Speaker 2: another eleven year old died in New Year's Day and
Speaker 2: still there was no you know, it's confusing, it's contradictory.
Speaker 2: We're getting, you know, double speak, and I don't know
Speaker 2: are the cameras going out but I thought I saw
Speaker 2: they were, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Ironically enough, Chief Henny put together a group of
Speaker 1: police officers that this isn't really their job to be
Speaker 1: doing these things, but most of them have a really
Speaker 1: substantial it background and know how to do these things
Speaker 1: that they've actually taken from their assignments, put them in
Speaker 1: a group together and have been going out and installing cameras.
Speaker 1: This has typically not been the job of sworn officers,
Speaker 1: but they're they're making it work, and I know a
Speaker 1: lot of it has been done very quickly. They've worked
Speaker 1: a lot of hours to try to get all these
Speaker 1: cameras functioning and to take the new cameras that they
Speaker 1: have and get them up. But while that's being done,
Speaker 1: then their normal job is suffering, just because you know,
Speaker 1: they can't obviously can't be two places at the same time.
Speaker 1: So I mean, they're they're just trying to make make
Speaker 1: it work with what the resources that they have, which
Speaker 1: it is certainly admirable that they're getting it done.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, we'll leave it there. Way to shooting
Speaker 2: on Valentine's Day and a party bus, one dead, one wounded.
Speaker 2: Sunday morning, one north side gun play breaks out for
Speaker 2: a club, Bullets flying over the street. Some of the
Speaker 2: buildings themselves and storefronts are hit with you can just
Speaker 2: see the broken glass and the remains of the shooting itself.
Speaker 2: To what two people killed, two injured there, and then
Speaker 2: last night they found a body of a female dumped
Speaker 2: at Lynn and Poplar Street. So the bloody cold weather,
Speaker 2: it doesn't really make a lot of sense, but we're
Speaker 2: starting to see a spike in these violent crimes and
Speaker 2: murders despite the fact we've had an extremely cold struck.
Speaker 2: Normally it doesn't happen. It makes and I think it's
Speaker 2: fair to ask, well, crap, if it's this cold and
Speaker 2: the weather's is bad and there's still we're still seeing
Speaker 2: a rate of homicides increasing over the first two months
Speaker 2: of the year, that begs the question, well, what about
Speaker 2: when it gets warmer? Are we in for a bloody summer?
Speaker 2: We hope not, and hopefully we'll find a way through this.
Speaker 2: Ken Kober, president of the Queen City's Lodge the FOP,
Speaker 2: thanks again for jumping on this morning. Brother appreciates you
Speaker 2: be well, sure appreciate take care. We got to get
Speaker 2: a news update in the very latest with the weather situation.
Speaker 2: Warm it up now. It feels great outside, but we
Speaker 2: got a lot of fog again this morning. And of
Speaker 2: course the passing of Jesse Jackson making news today dead
Speaker 2: at the age of eighty four, Scott's Loan Show. This
Speaker 2: is seven hundred w time to talk.
Speaker 7: About money, how to make it, how to keep it,
Speaker 7: and how to keep others off your stash. This is
Speaker 7: all Worth Advice with Andy Schaeffer. Andy Shaffer's here on
Speaker 7: this Tuesday morning. Welcome buddy.
Speaker 6: How are you great, Scott?
Speaker 1: How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm doing fine. Let's talk a little cash money here.
Speaker 2: Earlier in the show ten oh seven, if you missed it,
Speaker 2: Greg Lastin's here again from the Buckeye Institute and he
Speaker 2: has been testifying a lot in front of the state legislature.
Speaker 2: We have another bill, I think the third as many
Speaker 2: bills that are out there to try and figure out
Speaker 2: what AI looks like in Ohio. Bottom line is we
Speaker 2: have data centers, we have AI, as I mentioned, electric vehicles,
Speaker 2: we have crypto heck, we have advanced manufacturing we've talked
Speaker 2: about which is the future of Ohio and getting and
Speaker 2: keeping jobs here. We're in the top in the US
Speaker 2: right now for data centers and we want to be
Speaker 2: number one. That also means the awkward dealing with communities,
Speaker 2: not that that's a bad thing. We should have a
Speaker 2: say in what's in our backyard. And there's concerns over
Speaker 2: how fast it's growing. We going to make sure we
Speaker 2: get it right because you only have one bite at
Speaker 2: the apple that in particular, but we also look at
Speaker 2: our energy bills and you go, holy crap. You know,
Speaker 2: the Duke bill comes in, You're like, good, what it's
Speaker 2: like a mortgage. It's like a card payment right now.
Speaker 2: And Greg said earlier data centers alone are projected to
Speaker 2: consume nearly ten percent of US electricity by twenty thirty.
Speaker 2: So we're seeing this growth and it's just it's got
Speaker 2: a hockey stick up. That means the price of energy
Speaker 2: for all of us are going up, and that's a
Speaker 2: major concern as we plan for our future.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and I think that it's important for us to
Speaker 8: understand what kind of infrastructure is going to be necessary.
Speaker 8: I know that data centers right now are a hot topic.
Speaker 8: They are necessary for moving forward and continuing to advance
Speaker 8: our own economy and our society. You know, with the
Speaker 8: emergence of AI, they're going to be particularly important. So
Speaker 8: I think, from you know, a point of view in Washington,
Speaker 8: you know, the most important thing is figuring out the
Speaker 8: best way to get out in front of this, to
Speaker 8: make sure that we do have energy that's available for
Speaker 8: everybody that's at a decent costs, so that we can
Speaker 8: all thrive. You know, AI in general is a hot
Speaker 8: topic right now. People are really concerned about, you know,
Speaker 8: what does it mean, What does it mean for my job?
Speaker 8: How is it going to be implemented? You know, what
Speaker 8: is the cost you know to supply this type of
Speaker 8: technology to everybody? And data centers are going to be
Speaker 8: a big part of that. You know, we did see
Speaker 8: last week that stocks, particularly tech, had a rough week.
Speaker 8: The S and P and Nasdaq both were down sharply,
Speaker 8: and a lot of it has to do to tech
Speaker 8: and AI warnings. You know, there's weak guidance, there's sector rotation.
Speaker 8: You know that hurt a lot of the sentiment. But
Speaker 8: you know, it's going to be interesting to see moving forward.
Speaker 8: You know, and from a social perspective, these data centers
Speaker 8: are enormous and I know that there is a little
Speaker 8: bit of pushback from different communities that don't want these
Speaker 8: around in their area, but we all need them and
Speaker 8: so hopefully we have a lot of smart people that
Speaker 8: are trying to figure out the solution to the problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah, from money standpoint here, I'm sure that people wanted
Speaker 2: to put their money and forward growing and you know,
Speaker 2: the boom and energy. We just don't know where to
Speaker 2: do it right. It's we want to find the next Tesla,
Speaker 2: we find the next Apple, and it seems to be
Speaker 2: in the generation, but in particular the transmission business.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and I think, you know, with the transmission business,
Speaker 8: that could be a big area as well. But fortunately,
Speaker 8: I think most people are probably invested in a lot
Speaker 8: of these different energy sectors and might not even realize it.
Speaker 8: If you have a pretty well diversified four one K,
Speaker 8: it's likely within a lot of those funds you have
Speaker 8: significant exposure to technology, infrastructure, energy, those types of things.
Speaker 8: You know, you probably look under the hood and see
Speaker 8: what you actually own, whether it's mutual funds or exchange
Speaker 8: rate of funds, and see where you're at. You know,
Speaker 8: to me, I think you know, the market is responding
Speaker 8: a lot to the uncertainty within technology. There was a
Speaker 8: post written by a tech entrepreneur, his name is Matt
Speaker 8: Schumer that went viral. It was titled something Big is Happening,
Speaker 8: and what that had to do with was his idea
Speaker 8: that AI is going to be the death of the
Speaker 8: American job particularly in the white collar industry, and it
Speaker 8: got over eighty million views. That had a little bit
Speaker 8: to do with the downturn in tech last week. Now,
Speaker 8: I don't think there is any objective information that suggests
Speaker 8: that that could actually happen. This was more antidotal than
Speaker 8: anything else, and more of an opinion. You know, when
Speaker 8: we look at these selloffs that we've had over the
Speaker 8: last year, and even over the last month, we had
Speaker 8: you know, you know, a downturn in April. We also
Speaker 8: had some uncertainty with Oracle, and some of these things
Speaker 8: have already continued to come back, and so I think
Speaker 8: we don't want to overreact and panic just because that
Speaker 8: we have opinion pieces where somebody is you know, overall
Speaker 8: you know, predicting doom and gloom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, and so you see this, you go, we
Speaker 2: had a little setback with tech, you know, the S
Speaker 2: and p NASDAC both down sharply last week, and the
Speaker 2: question would be why, And it's all AI driven. So
Speaker 2: take me through. Maybe it's a case where people look
Speaker 2: at and go, Okay, this is all great and it's
Speaker 2: the future, but when can I make money when lets
Speaker 2: started making a profit here?
Speaker 6: Well, I think that people have.
Speaker 8: You know, when you look at your four to one
Speaker 8: K over the last three years, you know we've had
Speaker 8: tremendous returns from an S and P standpoint, Well, the
Speaker 8: driver of that growth has been AI, Nvidian, particular, Microsoft,
Speaker 8: a lot of these tech companies were the reason that
Speaker 8: we've had significant gains in the markets over the last
Speaker 8: three years. So you know, if you're invested, we've all
Speaker 8: been benefiting from it over the last three years. And
Speaker 8: as long as you stayed in the market, you've been
Speaker 8: reaping these benefits. So when we look at kind of
Speaker 8: the metrics of AI, you know, where do we go
Speaker 8: from here? Is it something that we think that the
Speaker 8: prices continue to rise and the companies continue to be profitable,
Speaker 8: or do we feel like, hey, this might take my job.
Speaker 8: There's even talks of you know, white collar jobs being
Speaker 8: taken because you can instantly access this information and it
Speaker 8: will just regurgitate, you know, whatever you need to know
Speaker 8: from a financial standpoint of things that you need to do.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 8: You know, I push back on that a little bit.
Speaker 8: You know, there's a lot of skepticism around whether it's
Speaker 8: going to take white collar jobs or you know, in
Speaker 8: any of the industries. And the reason is is that
Speaker 8: we don't have any information that suggested that. Going back
Speaker 8: into two thousand when we had the internet boom, there
Speaker 8: was you know, a big fear there as well. And
Speaker 8: I think with a lot of these white collar businesses,
Speaker 8: which you don't take into account is the subjectivity of
Speaker 8: the work that they do, right. You know, I can
Speaker 8: certainly tell somebody the math into making good decisions from
Speaker 8: an investment standpoint, or whether it makes more sense to
Speaker 8: buy a car with cash or finance it, right, but
Speaker 8: there's subjectivity there.
Speaker 6: What makes you feel good? You know, how much money
Speaker 6: do you have?
Speaker 8: If you don't like to have that, even though the
Speaker 8: math says that you should probably finance it, maybe it
Speaker 8: does make sense for you.
Speaker 6: To pay it off with cash.
Speaker 8: So those are the types of things that AI is
Speaker 8: not able to generate. Is the emotional support and the
Speaker 8: subjective advice a lot of white collar people give to
Speaker 8: the everyday citizen.
Speaker 2: Hey, let's face it, we've heard this time and time
Speaker 2: and time again. With new technology, that's all my god,
Speaker 2: all these jobs are going to go away, and it
Speaker 2: just creates jobs that we haven't invented yet.
Speaker 6: That's right.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And you know, just like any industry. We've seen
Speaker 8: this in the Industrial Revolution with you know, when we
Speaker 8: started having you know a lot of mechanics that people
Speaker 8: thought were going to take their jobs and ultimately it
Speaker 8: just created other jobs. And I think from a consumer
Speaker 8: standpoint and from a citizen standpoint, most workers just need
Speaker 8: to be able to adapt now, and this isn't something
Speaker 8: that's going to happen overnight. You know, there's no data
Speaker 8: out there that suggests that we're going to have AI
Speaker 8: start to cut a lot of jobs. There's been a
Speaker 8: lot of surveys done with executives and major industries that say, yeah,
Speaker 8: and we might not be hiring a little bit more,
Speaker 8: but we're not really cutting jobs due to AI. You know,
Speaker 8: there might be two percent cuts broadly across you know,
Speaker 8: all different companies and sectors, but we don't see any
Speaker 8: data that would suggest that. So I think for the consumer,
Speaker 8: it's about hey, over the next ten fifteen years, I
Speaker 8: might have to adapt to learn new skills and be
Speaker 8: able to adjust, but I don't foresee this being the
Speaker 8: end of.
Speaker 6: Modern employment, right right.
Speaker 2: Andy Schaeffer from all Worth Financial simply money tonight at
Speaker 2: six and fifty five KRC just a little weekly tune
Speaker 2: up here from AI and the boom here in Ohio
Speaker 2: that we're seeing with building anyway that you'd read benefits.
Speaker 2: Let's get into the January inflation report, and we had
Speaker 2: kind of soft landing. Did we stick the landing to
Speaker 2: steal Olympic brains?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I mean we're getting there.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 8: I wasn't very thrilled with Jerome Pou in the FED
Speaker 8: coming out of the pandemic. I thought we were a
Speaker 8: little bit too slow to start raising interest rates. And
Speaker 8: you know the effect of that was twenty twenty two
Speaker 8: was very hard for markets. Not only were stocks down significantly,
Speaker 8: but bonds were down too. So really the only thing
Speaker 8: that performed well in twenty two was cash. And so
Speaker 8: let's push that a little bit forward. You know, the
Speaker 8: soft landing that we've seen over the last year, year
Speaker 8: and a half, two years, I think has been very effective.
Speaker 8: We were in a delicate dance of, you know, how
Speaker 8: quickly do we start cutting rates? You know, if we
Speaker 8: cut too fast, that could reignite it inflation. We certainly
Speaker 8: didn't want to do that, but you know, we had
Speaker 8: annual inflation coming at two point four percent, you know,
Speaker 8: and that was better than what economists expected. And that's
Speaker 8: the smallest year of year rise and core prices since
Speaker 8: you know, we saw the surge in twenty twenty one. Furthermore,
Speaker 8: you know, we're going to get some housing data this week,
Speaker 8: and the housing data has been the stickiest part of
Speaker 8: inflation overall. And come Friday, I'm sorry, come tomorrow, Actually
Speaker 8: it's going to be Wednesday. You know, We're going to
Speaker 8: get a lot of that data and I'm going to
Speaker 8: be really curious to see what it shows, and it
Speaker 8: might suggest that inflation is still coming down.
Speaker 2: Okay, So what was the biggest cost in when you
Speaker 2: look at the consumer price indexed at that big increase,
Speaker 2: we saw that at one point two percent rise. What
Speaker 2: was driving that?
Speaker 8: Well, we had prices of used vehicles, beef and veal
Speaker 8: and eggs that showed you know, some of that as well.
Speaker 6: But really it's housing that's driving it.
Speaker 8: Not only building starts and permits, but also rents as well.
Speaker 8: And so hopefully this will give a lot of Americans
Speaker 8: a little bit of ease. I know that, you know,
Speaker 8: my wife worked in the rental business as far as
Speaker 8: property management, and it has been hard on a lot
Speaker 8: of people that are renting when they continue to see
Speaker 8: their cost increase, But the owners of these organizations, they're
Speaker 8: having their cost increase as well. So inflation coming down
Speaker 8: is not only going to benefit business owners, but it's
Speaker 8: going to benefit the common citizen as well.
Speaker 2: Did you say that one of the drivers outside of
Speaker 2: used vehicles? Now, what do you say eggs is veal?
Speaker 2: Who the hell is buying veal?
Speaker 1: Where?
Speaker 5: Well? You can?
Speaker 2: You can you even get you know, I'm Italian, I
Speaker 2: love veal. We can't find veal?
Speaker 6: Well, you can if you lay out in the country.
Speaker 6: I mean I have I have some farmers up the hill.
Speaker 2: Here and I have to get a veal connection from
Speaker 2: you are a man of many, many connections. He's he's
Speaker 2: a facilitic.
Speaker 6: I have a guy.
Speaker 2: You got, I got a guy. I got a veal guy.
Speaker 2: I saw this headline about social security. Now could run
Speaker 2: out about moneyance Now it was like ten and fifteen
Speaker 2: years Now are like like six minutes from now, we
Speaker 2: could run out of money.
Speaker 8: Yeah, when we start talking about this, probably seven or
Speaker 8: eight years ago that the date was about twenty thirty five.
Speaker 8: Well then it went to thirty four and then thirty three,
Speaker 8: and now you know we're kind of looking at maybe
Speaker 8: twenty thirty two, and I think people start to get
Speaker 8: really concerned about it. Now when we talk about Social
Speaker 8: Security running out of money, that doesn't mean there's not
Speaker 8: going to be money paid into it, obviously, but the
Speaker 8: endowment at that point will become depleted, and people say, well,
Speaker 8: what's going to happen to my benefit? I think there's
Speaker 8: going to be three major things that might happen. Number one,
Speaker 8: for retirement age will likely be increased, so that's one
Speaker 8: thing that the government can do. The other thing is
Speaker 8: that they will likely have some government workers begin to
Speaker 8: pay into Social Security. But I think the biggest threat
Speaker 8: to the average American would be what they call means testing.
Speaker 8: And what's going to happen is is that they'll probably
Speaker 8: if you have a certain amount of income, you might
Speaker 8: have a decrease in your overall so Security benefit. Now,
Speaker 8: I suspect that that will be a pretty high number.
Speaker 8: The history of Congress suggests that they will position it
Speaker 8: as a tax on the rich, like they did in
Speaker 8: Night ten eighty three with a fifty percent provisional tax
Speaker 8: on Social Security, and also in ninety three when they
Speaker 8: implemented the eighty five percent provisional tax on social security.
Speaker 8: So to me, I think it's going to be a
Speaker 8: number upwards of over two hundred thousand dollars where you
Speaker 8: might start to see a trigger of a decrease in
Speaker 8: social security. So if you're retired and you have a
Speaker 8: financial plan in place, and you have a number of
Speaker 8: different types of accounts and registrations with different pots of money,
Speaker 8: you can massage those distributions to make sure you stay
Speaker 8: underneath certain income limits, you know, depending on what we're
Speaker 8: going to see. So I think it's smart to prepare
Speaker 8: now for the inevitability that we'll probably see some types
Speaker 8: of mean tests.
Speaker 2: Wow, and at twenty percent reduction and benefits of lawmakers
Speaker 2: don't step in. They're not stupid enough to let down, right.
Speaker 8: No, I don't think so, because you know, especially with
Speaker 8: the social security conversation. Yeah, that's a that's a nail
Speaker 8: on the coffin for politicians. They don't want to touch it.
Speaker 8: I remember when George W. Bush years ago suggested that, hey,
Speaker 8: we probably need to tackle social security.
Speaker 6: Well he got crushed, but he.
Speaker 8: Did, and he didn't speak a word of it after that,
Speaker 8: and since then, no politician has really touched it. And
Speaker 8: I don't suspect that we will touch it in probably
Speaker 8: till the eleventh hour because nobody really wants to address it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean you can't even get them to show
Speaker 2: up to do their jobs for crying out low. They
Speaker 2: keep shutting it down. And then they've got another vacation
Speaker 2: built in. So what's the rush here? In six years
Speaker 2: we've got you know, that's two more election cycles for
Speaker 2: crying Well, well, a lot.
Speaker 8: Of them figure they're probably not going to be there anyway,
Speaker 8: so it's not their problem, you know.
Speaker 2: But I mean, if you're elected to the Senate today,
Speaker 2: six years from now, your terms up, I means that's
Speaker 2: the issues right here, right now.
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, and if you want to get re elected,
Speaker 8: it's going to have to be addressed. And again I think,
Speaker 8: you know, Congress has shown that the way that they
Speaker 8: position this stuff is a tax on the rich, and
Speaker 8: most Americans usually go for it. And there are solutions,
Speaker 8: but we'll see, you know, the kind of the action
Speaker 8: that they do take.
Speaker 2: Gotcha hey real quick here, I know we always take Hey, well,
Speaker 2: what's what's coming up in the next week. I think
Speaker 2: the big thing is whether or not the Supreme Courts
Speaker 2: can rule on tariffs.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's coming up February twentieth.
Speaker 8: You know, the FED members are going to basically testify
Speaker 8: and give their opinions to the judicial branch and basically say, hey,
Speaker 8: here's what we think. And it will be interesting to
Speaker 8: see because you know, if we have to unwind this,
Speaker 8: I don't understand how it's going to be all unwine.
Speaker 8: Do we give them money back? You know, how is
Speaker 8: that going to affect the economy. I don't think that
Speaker 8: tariffs are going to be rescinded or they they are
Speaker 8: going to consider it unlawful, and I think most Americans
Speaker 8: don't believe that's going to happen either. Otherwise we would
Speaker 8: probably see the markets already respond in a less favorable way,
Speaker 8: and I just haven't seen that yet.
Speaker 2: Okay, Good Andy Shaffer all Worth Financial Simply Money is
Speaker 2: the show and airs week nights at six. I'm fifty
Speaker 2: five k RC for the full version of that. This
Speaker 2: is kind of the abbreviated version, but you get a
Speaker 2: snapshot of your money as we head into this week
Speaker 2: as well. So Andy, all the beast. We'll talk again
Speaker 2: next Tuesday. Appreciate you, thanks again, Okay, Scott, thank you
Speaker 2: all right. With that, we've got news on the way
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