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Speaker 1: Three sixty about Cincinnati. From Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back our number three of Cincy three to sixty.

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Speaker 1: On this Friday afternoon. Major League Baseball has stolen the

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Speaker 1: show and the Reds were part of a three team deal.

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Speaker 1: Last night, Big Night in Major League Baseball. Kyle Tucker

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Speaker 1: signs a deal with the Los Angeles Dodgers. Today Bo

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Speaker 1: Bishett has signed a deal with the New York Mets.

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Speaker 1: There's just a lot to sift through. And on top

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Speaker 1: of all of it, it's Reds Fest tonight tomorrow at

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Speaker 1: the Convention Center. Reds Fest is happening. So we've got

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Speaker 1: to get our baseball fix and we're going to do so.

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Speaker 1: To kick off the hour here from the Lockdown Reds Podcast,

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Speaker 1: our good friend joining us right now, Jeff Carr. What's up,

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Speaker 1: Jeff Oni.

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Speaker 3: It's one of the best weekends of the year. Tell

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Speaker 3: you what I do want to respond you guys had

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Speaker 3: a really interesting topic earlier on and I just wanted

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Speaker 3: to let you know that, like when it comes to

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Speaker 3: the bugs, I really feel like if you were to

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Speaker 3: ask Duke Tobin about the bugs and the windshields, he

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Speaker 3: say well, the bugs have been here before.

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Speaker 4: They're gonna be bad.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna be very well said, damn it? What uh?

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Speaker 1: Where do you stay when it comes to food as well? Jeff?

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Speaker 1: But it's it's been three two days of food talk. Now,

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Speaker 1: how would you describe your palette when it comes to food?

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Speaker 3: Give me the spicy stuff, love the spicy stuff, kind

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Speaker 3: of kind of punt sweet a little bit. I'm not

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Speaker 3: gonna lie. I'm not a huge dessert guy. I'm more salty, spicy, tight.

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Speaker 3: But especially I mean all the meats. You know, those

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Speaker 4: They really get to me. Jeff.

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Speaker 2: If your life dependent on it, who would you trust more?

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Speaker 2: Duke Tobin or Nick Krawl?

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Speaker 4: Oh? I gotta go with Nick Krawl.

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Speaker 3: And he's been getting a lot of flat this offseason,

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Speaker 3: but I still believe that he's operating perfectly within the

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Speaker 3: brute the blueprint that he has been given from those

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Speaker 4: They're giving him a budget and he's just doing what

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Speaker 1: I want to get your thoughts on the Reds. Let

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Speaker 1: me talk major League Baseball standpoint real quick, your opinion

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Speaker 1: because so many people when the news broke about Kyle Tucker,

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Speaker 1: it's all the Dodgers. I hate the Dodgers. My stance

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Speaker 1: is I plead and I beg that the organization I

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Speaker 1: criticize an organization for inside that can find the rule

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Speaker 1: book to spend money. I'm not going to blame the Dodgers. Now,

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Speaker 1: it might be a major League Baseball point of problem.

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Speaker 1: But when you hear that narrative of all the Dodgers

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Speaker 1: are ruining baseball or this and that, how do you

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Speaker 1: view that when you see what happened last night with

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Speaker 1: Kyle Tucker.

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Speaker 4: No, I don't think the Dodgers are ruining baseball. I

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't say twenty nine other teams or you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's a total league problem.

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Speaker 4: But there's definitely fifteen teams.

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Speaker 3: That are doing far more to ruin baseball than the

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Speaker 3: Dodgers are. The Dodgers are taking advantage of an inequity,

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Speaker 4: To completely punt on.

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Speaker 3: Because if we heard a report tomorrow, but yeah, the

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Speaker 3: And so you've got to figure out a way. And

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Speaker 3: I don't think that a salary cap or salary floor

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Speaker 1: Let's go to the Reds, because as the news broke

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Speaker 1: He had the fifth most at bats of any red

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Speaker 1: we undervaluing that at all in your opinion?

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Speaker 3: I don't think so, because I think he was miscast

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Speaker 3: but I don't think his game fits for what the

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Speaker 3: So then you're talking about, all right, well he's probably

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Speaker 3: So I kind of feel like as he was played

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Speaker 1: I watched your today on on X and you are

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Speaker 3: I think it's more so dollars and cents than it

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Speaker 3: but the make believe budget that has exist than to

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Speaker 3: when you add that all together, it would seem to believe.

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Speaker 3: It would make me believe that they are not just

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Speaker 3: because we already heard that Nikkral said that he wasn't

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Speaker 3: then when they looked at that again, they like south

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Speaker 3: So I feel like, knowing that they're taking Gavin Lucks

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Speaker 2: What do you make of the Tyler Stevenson situation. Obviously

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Speaker 2: He's no longer appearing at Redsfest. Don't know if those

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Speaker 4: Whenever he was.

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Speaker 3: Initially appreciate, he didn't even provide them with a counter offer.

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Speaker 3: I expect a good year from him. I expect him

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Speaker 3: when he does that, he's going to get a bigger

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Speaker 1: In free agents, you mentioned, you know, going and getting

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Speaker 1: a bat that the plan here. I'm curious what type

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Speaker 1: this worked out great. But if we're talking about the

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Speaker 1: then that really doesn't to me make the team better

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Speaker 4: Now? I agree with that.

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Speaker 3: I have seen some folks talking about Austin Hayes, and

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Speaker 4: Think we kind of know who he is.

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Speaker 3: I would doubt that he would come in and have

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Speaker 3: a much better season than what we saw. Albeit he

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Speaker 3: about his counting stats raising a little bit. I don't

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Speaker 3: rather than look at a guy like Reese Hoskins, a

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Speaker 1: And could not say it any better ourselves. Jeff, you

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Speaker 4: It's just the people that I meet.

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Speaker 2: And of course you know Brett Tomko was in the

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Speaker 3: And and and the last autograph I got Dan Straley,

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Speaker 4: I meet people when it comes in.

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Speaker 2: Jeff, Jeff is the first domino to fall.

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Speaker 1: Jeff's gonna be He's gonna be at the bar tonight

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Speaker 2: If you if you see Jeff talking to Nicolo.

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Speaker 4: On the move. But I don't get any more autographs anymore.

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Speaker 1: Jeff, Thanks so much for making time for us today.

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Speaker 1: How can how can listeners follow along with everything going

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Speaker 4: Appreciate you guys.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna be all over the Reds the rest of

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Speaker 3: the way, every single day over at Lockdown Reds. You

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Speaker 3: You can also follow me on social media at Jeff

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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 2: Say hi to Steve for us as well.

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Speaker 3: Yes, well when you can yourselves, if you come on

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Speaker 1: I love it, Jeff, thanks so much for your time.

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Speaker 4: Man A right, we'll see you guys.

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Speaker 1: He is that is Jeff Carr. Do we feel better now?

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Speaker 1: We feel good where the reds are?

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Speaker 1: Nosy, No, No, I can't say that. I do.

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Speaker 4: Know I was. I was.

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad that that worked out, because, uh, you would.

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Speaker 2: You had texted me this morning about getting Jeff on

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Speaker 4: Me to do it?

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Speaker 2: And your text back really wasn't specific. You just said

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Speaker 4: Yeah I had.

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Speaker 1: I was in a big conversation here at work.

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Speaker 2: And then thankfully on thankfully I double checked with him

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Speaker 2: and hey, did Pike reach out to you? He said, nope,

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Speaker 1: B love it.

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Speaker 2: The thing, he's like Spencer Steer man. You can put

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Speaker 2: Steer is to be Chris Bryant from ten years ago.

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Speaker 2: You know we're doing the whole twenty sixteen trend. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen Chris Bryant played left field, right field, first base,

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Speaker 1: Go right up there with your Matt McLean bet from

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Speaker 2: So I'm just a big Spencer Steer guy. Why don't

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Speaker 2: you go make that worried about him? And when we

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Speaker 2: come back, we'll get Bob Manngen on the phone and

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