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Speaker 1: Six eleven in the Queens City of Cincinnati, Chick Ludwig

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Speaker 1: seven hundred w l W.

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Speaker 2: This is Sports Talk.

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Speaker 3: Joe Waddell is tonight's producer, and we are coming out

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Speaker 3: of the gates strong with my favorite Bengals partner talking

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Speaker 3: Bengals football legendary wide receiver, the one and only Tim McGee.

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Speaker 2: Tim, how are you tonight?

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Speaker 4: I am going good, excellent, just sitting here chilling. What's

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Speaker 4: you up to?

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Speaker 2: Oh wow?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, a great night of sports talk at seven

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Speaker 3: hundred WLW and Tim. The Bengals have three games remaining.

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Speaker 3: They play tomorrow in Miami Gardens against the Dolphins. How

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Speaker 3: difficult is it right out of the gate here to

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Speaker 3: go from what zero degrees minus with the wind chill,

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Speaker 3: going to nearly eighty degrees and trying to play a

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Speaker 3: sixty minute NFL game?

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Speaker 4: Well, I'd say one thing, it's tough because I'm down

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Speaker 4: here and it's an eighty plus degree so it is

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Speaker 4: extremely tough. People talk about playing Denver, and trust me,

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Speaker 4: in Denver, Colorado, it's with the altitude there is probably

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Speaker 4: the toughest, Don't get me wrong. However, it is totally

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Speaker 4: underrated when you go from frigid temperatures in the Midwest

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Speaker 4: or east or wherever it may be, and then you

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Speaker 4: come down South and you play. Your lungs are just

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Speaker 4: not ready for it. So you know, you got to

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Speaker 4: stay hydrated. You got to have a sub you know,

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Speaker 4: you got to play smart, and you got to play

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Speaker 4: composed and all the things that you hear about. Trust me,

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Speaker 4: it takes a toll on your body.

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Speaker 3: If you wait for hydration. You are too late, aren't you.

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Speaker 4: Oh, there's no question about the hydration has to start

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Speaker 4: the night before and obviously the day of the game early.

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Speaker 4: But it's going to happen. I mean, there's no such

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Speaker 4: thing as being hydrated for a football game. You're you're

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Speaker 4: gonna see players no matter whatether. You know, people go,

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Speaker 4: oh my god, the guy's cramping up. Why didn't he

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Speaker 4: you know, why didn't hydrate himself prior to the game

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Speaker 4: or whatever. Yes, he did, but you know, obviously you

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Speaker 4: lose a lot of water weight, You lose a lot

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Speaker 4: of water and you end up doing the course of

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Speaker 4: a hot game like this and your body's just not

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Speaker 4: You just can't adjust. You can't go through a walk

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Speaker 4: my body's adjusted to it. It's not gonna happen.

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Speaker 3: Tim, kind of an umbrella question here, how just how

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Speaker 3: disappointing from an alumni standpoint and really a Bengals fans standpoint,

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Speaker 3: has this season been?

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Speaker 4: You know what it's been.

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Speaker 5: This has been.

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Speaker 4: Probably the weirdest football season that I have been around personally.

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Speaker 2: And here's the.

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Speaker 4: Reason why this team was built exactly the way they've

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Speaker 4: played exactly. There's been zero surprise. Zero. Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 4: I can't believe this particular player, or this particular position,

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Speaker 4: or this particular side of the ball that's not playing well.

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Speaker 4: You knew going.

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Speaker 6: Into this season.

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Speaker 4: They fed you sugar. They gave you t Higgins, they

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Speaker 4: gave you Jamar Chase, they gave you Joe Burrow, and

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Speaker 4: the fans wanted it, and you got it. You got it.

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Speaker 4: Now all your allocation of you of your cap is sitting.

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Speaker 6: On the offensive side. You have an offensive cour a.

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Speaker 4: Pretty much quarterback coach sore to speak, and coordinator in

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Speaker 4: Zach Taylor. He's definitely on the offensive side of the ball.

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Speaker 4: And you have a defense that's you know, was put

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Speaker 4: out on the Island and just doesn't have much talent.

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Speaker 4: We knew that going into the season.

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Speaker 6: What we didn't know is Trey wouldn't play you know, the.

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Speaker 4: Full model games. But nevertheless, when he played, you know,

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Speaker 4: it still wasn't very successful. So this is exactly the

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Speaker 4: way they were built to outscore teams, and they just

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Speaker 4: could not outscore them. And unfortunately, you know what seems

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Speaker 4: to be a year yearly occurrence. You're Joe Burrow is

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Speaker 4: you know, gets beat up, fits out a couple of games.

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Speaker 4: And you know, obviously Joe Flacco did a wonderful job

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Speaker 4: it's been extremely disappointing, chick, but not surprising. This is

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Speaker 4: kind of what I mean, I kind of expected.

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Speaker 3: There's three games remaining. What do you look for tomorrow?

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Speaker 3: How important is this game for a Joe Burrow to

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Speaker 4: Man. I wish I could tell you something inside of

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Speaker 4: the lock inside of the locker room that you know,

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Speaker 4: you get motivated for games like this, you know it.

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Speaker 4: Now you're starting to see the preseason mentality kick back in. Yes,

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Speaker 4: I want to play well, but the most important element

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Speaker 4: or the next the remaining games of the season is

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Speaker 4: not to get hurt. That's and you're not playing not

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Speaker 4: to get hurt. You're just cognitively aware that this is

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Speaker 4: not something since it's a meaningless game, so to speak.

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Speaker 4: But obviously I'm getting paid a lot of money to

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Speaker 4: show up, the fans are showing up. I still need

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Speaker 4: to perform. However, my number one priority is not to

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Speaker 4: to carry over to the next year, so I you know,

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Speaker 4: and and on the defensive side, I think a lot

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Speaker 4: it individually, they're playing for their jobs. You know. The

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Speaker 4: So I don't think there's a if any players that

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Speaker 4: into next year, I think they have to look at

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Speaker 4: every position to see where they can upgrade.

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Speaker 2: Tim McGee is with US.

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Speaker 3: He played for the Bengals from nineteen eighty six to

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Speaker 3: ninety two, then one year with the then Washington Redskins,

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Speaker 3: and he came back to the Bengals in nineteen ninety

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Speaker 3: four and ninety five, a great ten year career. Tim

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Speaker 3: The word bengalized gets tossed around a lot, and I

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Speaker 3: define it as when all the life and joy of

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Speaker 3: playing football for the Bengals gets sucked out of you.

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Speaker 3: Is Joe Burrow bengalized?

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Speaker 4: I think he's headed in that direction. I think he's

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Speaker 4: about to walk into that vacuum. Unfortunately, it's very tough.

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Speaker 4: You got to understand Joe Burrow's fight and how his

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Speaker 4: to the point where he is expecting nothing but championships.

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Speaker 4: This is a guy that you know, he went from

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Speaker 4: trophystead his resume, it just says it breeds success. Then

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Speaker 4: you're early in his career, boom, you go to the

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Speaker 4: Super Bowl. You figured, just like I did and all

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Speaker 4: getting worse and worse and worse. And that's the when

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Speaker 4: you say bingalives. I think that's where it is, where

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Speaker 4: it just kind of sucks the football life out of you.

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Speaker 4: And I know all the listeners are going to serve,

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Speaker 4: but you're getting paid a lot of money. Well, you know,

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Speaker 4: everybody's being paid every bread. That doesn't necessarily mean you're

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Speaker 4: not human. And I think he is falling into that

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Speaker 4: tough to put up forty thirty five forty five forty

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Speaker 3: And tim a lot of discussion. Also, Hey, a lot

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Speaker 3: of fans wanting to sit out these final three games

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Speaker 3: so he avoid injury. I look at it, you know,

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Speaker 3: the best players. Should Joe Burrow play if he's healthy

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Speaker 4: That's a tough you know, when you think about that,

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Speaker 4: you look at the load management in an NBA. But

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Speaker 4: that's you know, that's kind of where I can understand

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Speaker 4: both sides, and I think fans, particularly the last game

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Speaker 4: or two, we'll look at it as in every single

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Speaker 4: time he takes a hit, they're going to be like,

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Speaker 4: get him out of there, get him out, get him out.

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Speaker 4: We need him for next year because this year is meaningless,

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Speaker 4: and if he does get hurt, oh my gosh. You know,

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Speaker 4: Zach Taylor, you know, I mean you got to catch the.

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Speaker 6: Next next bus on out of there because you know

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Speaker 6: people are not going to.

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Speaker 4: Be very happy with you. But let's just say this, chick,

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Speaker 4: there's only one person that controls Joe Burrow, and that's

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Speaker 4: Joe Burrow. No other person, no other person all the

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Speaker 4: way from Mike Brown all the way down to the janitor.

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Speaker 4: It's just not going to happen. Joe Burrow is going

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Speaker 4: to make the decision for himself, and I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 4: the Bengals organization will support whatever he decides to do.

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Speaker 3: Tim mcgeeze with us for a few more minutes, and Tim,

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Speaker 3: looking at your career with the Bengals, You've been on

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Speaker 3: three and thirteen, that went four and eleven during a

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Speaker 3: you know, it's really incredible. So are the Bengals that

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Speaker 3: far away? Even though they've missed the playoffs here three

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Speaker 3: straight years. I don't think you're ever too far away

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm sorry, I don't see it, and I

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Speaker 4: want to see it, trust me, my heart wants to

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Speaker 4: think the defense is so I don't think they're a

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Speaker 4: I don't see it. They have some young talent, but

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Speaker 4: be on the pessimistic side, and I think things are

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Speaker 4: trending in the other direction. I think they're getting worse

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Speaker 6: Is going to early next year, the first three.

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Speaker 4: Or four games is going to be very pivotal because

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Speaker 4: if they get off to a bad start, man, I

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Speaker 4: just I just couldn't even imagine what Joe Burrow would

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Speaker 4: what would be going through his head. You see, he's

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Speaker 4: slow start next year will probably be it would It

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Speaker 4: would not be good for him.

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Speaker 6: And you know, again, Chick, we.

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Speaker 4: Had talked about it. We've done many shows. Rob They're

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Speaker 4: you know the Bengals would typically be next in the Browns.

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Speaker 4: But you know it's I still don't think they're going

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Speaker 4: to be as talented as Pittsburgh and or Baltimore and Tim.

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Speaker 3: You talked about this being a weird season, Well, how

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Speaker 3: about no Joe Burrow and no Patrick Mahomes in the playoffs?

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Speaker 4: Is this?

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Speaker 2: Could this be Buffalo's year in the AFC with with Denver.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's funny you said that. I was talking

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Speaker 4: Night at a Christmas party and I actually said that

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Speaker 4: that this may be the year Buffalo creeps into the

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Speaker 4: and now you have the their nemesis pretty much out with.

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Speaker 4: You know, obviously Kana, Kansas City is not in and

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Speaker 4: now there, you know, I would pick them to be,

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Speaker 6: And you know it's just a Goofy year.

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Speaker 4: This year, it's just Goofy and Tim.

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Speaker 3: Before I let you go the college football Playoff? Okay,

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Speaker 3: you talk about special teams. Oklahoma just absolutely melted down

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Speaker 2: What do you think of two Lane.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's so funny. I love you to death,

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Speaker 4: tough game. Miami had to play Texas Tech, which is

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Speaker 4: oh miss playing to Lang, like, come on, really that

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Speaker 4: you can't call that a fair battle in a playoff structure.

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Speaker 4: But you know, again, until they get the structure of

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Speaker 3: Tim McGee, always a pleasure, great insight as usual.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Merry Christmas to the family.

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Speaker 6: Thanks Chick, Merry Christmas to you and everyone's just listening.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: This is Sports Talk with Chick Ludwig on seven hundred

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Speaker 3: Chick Ludwig, this is sports Talk. We're going all the

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Speaker 3: January thirtieth is the most important event of the entire

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Speaker 3: And here to talk to us about it is the

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Speaker 2: Joe, how are you tonight?

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Speaker 5: I am doing great, Chick. Thanks for having us on

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Speaker 3: Grad altiora all the way. And Joe, it doesn't shock

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Speaker 2: Was man. He was headed the Elders Dad's Club for

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Speaker 2: for how long.

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Speaker 5: My dad was head of Elder's Dad's club for thirty years.

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Speaker 5: It was a nineteen fifty three brad. He also ran

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Speaker 5: Tuesday night at Dan's club, and they work pancake breakfast

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Speaker 4: So he loved it.

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Speaker 5: He our dad just bled purple absolutely and loved everything

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Speaker 3: And you've been chairman of the Elder Sports Tag for

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Speaker 5: It's fifteen years.

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Speaker 3: Fantastic years. Class of seventy eight grad And what makes

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Speaker 3: what a phenomenal guest. We are talking Gene ster Ataur,

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Speaker 3: But man is going to be a spectacular night with

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Speaker 3: Jean Sterotaur. How in the world did Elder get a

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Speaker 5: Well, you know at Elder and you know this, we

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Speaker 5: who's a football coach at Baldwin Wallace, knew Gene Sterotur

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Speaker 5: I'll tell you a kick. The Stag committee wanted to

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Speaker 5: and we were like, let's do something different. We came

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Speaker 5: So I was tasked with the java trying to find

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Speaker 2: That is fair fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Once again, the CBS we hear we hear his voice

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Speaker 3: He seems to be very personable and uh, he's here

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Speaker 2: So what a great cause it does.

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Speaker 5: It does when it is When the Stag was originally formed,

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Speaker 5: know he's one of seven kids, Italian Catholic. You only

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Speaker 4: But you know he's going to be He's going to

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Speaker 5: He's attracting a very good crowd, instrumental, he's going to

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Speaker 2: Just that.

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Speaker 5: It's a couple of times I've talked to him, I

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Speaker 3: That's beautiful. Hey, Joe Lynn Junior is with us and

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Speaker 2: So Dan is just a phenomenal friend.

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Speaker 3: Uh played football at Elder, played football at the University

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Speaker 3: our ticket's still available for the Stag one hundred bucks there, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's five one three nine two one thirty four eleven.

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Speaker 5: That is correct, and ask for Brian Bill. He is

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Speaker 5: But uh yeah, we still have we still have some

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Speaker 5: January thirty will be a you know, a promise before.

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Speaker 2: We know it, no doubt.

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Speaker 3: And Brian Bill's a director of alumni and public relations

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Speaker 3: I mean to recap the fall here, unbelievable football season

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Speaker 3: A tough loss in the what the state semifinals to

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Speaker 5: It was a great season and a great run and

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Speaker 5: uh you know it fits well to everything Elder is

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Speaker 3: The And if I may say so, Joe, when I

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Speaker 2: That was a big time feather in my cap.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, two a day's coach Callahan and I would

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Speaker 2: But how great it is for today's players.

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Speaker 5: You know, something ticket is Uh. They go out and

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Speaker 3: And a big time shout out here to head football

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Speaker 5: Oh he gets it gets big time. It gets big

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Speaker 5: bless him. He goes to the whole film and he'll

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Speaker 5: ask your questions and explain every play and say who

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Speaker 2: Well, the pit is a very special place.

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Speaker 3: And also how about Elder basketball coach Joe Schoenfeld.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, he's a Hall of Famer period.

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Speaker 5: He sure is. And he just was nominated for Teacher

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Speaker 5: He's the seventy seven grad. I'm a seventy eight grad.

437
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Speaker 5: So we drove to school together for a few years.

438
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Speaker 5: Both Saint Treis are grads Saint Tries and Bruins.

439
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and what five hundred wins plus for Joe Schoenfeld, right, Well,

440
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 2: he had one heck of a career, he really has.

441
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Speaker 3: And I also was student manager for the immortal Paul

442
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Speaker 3: hans Fry. And some of my greatest memories at Elder

443
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 3: High School on the sidelines for football and being at

444
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 3: the basketball games in the They called it the new

445
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 3: gym back then, but it's the old gym now it's

446
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 3: the wrestling gym in the volleyball gym, right right, chick.

447
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Speaker 5: And when you come to the stack, because I understand

448
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 5: you're coming to the Stag this year.

449
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Speaker 2: Yes, sir, we got to give you a really.

450
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Speaker 5: Nice detailed tour of all the new things that are

451
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Speaker 5: going on at Elder. Wait till you see that volleyball

452
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 5: wrestling gym. And if you talk to Kurt Ruffing, who's

453
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 5: the principal at Elder, he says, it's the wrestling volleyball

454
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 5: Jim because he was a wrestler for four years ago.

455
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 3: Beautiful well and when I was there the last time

456
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Speaker 3: a couple of years ago. What they've done at the

457
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Speaker 3: Shaper Center, which used to be what pharmacy was that

458
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Speaker 3: right there on Glen Way, Oh my god, super X

459
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 3: and the Shaper Center is incredible. And what Elder has

460
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 3: done uh for journalism, radio, TV and the social media

461
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 3: is just phenomenal. I'm I'm listening to games on the

462
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Speaker 3: online and it's uh, it's just awesome.

463
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Speaker 4: Yep, it is.

464
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Speaker 5: And I mean thanks to Bill Hemmer for doing that

465
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Speaker 5: and the n N room And I'm telling you, chick,

466
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Speaker 5: wait till you see that when you come up, and

467
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Speaker 5: we'll get you interviewed, you know, and and and talk

468
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Speaker 5: a little bit to Jee's there for You're gonna love it.

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Speaker 5: You're gonna have a fantastic time.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be a spectacular night.

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Speaker 3: And once again, if fans, tickets are still available and

472
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Speaker 3: uh limited number here, so so get on the horn

473
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Speaker 3: five one, three, nine, thirty four, eleven and if you

474
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Speaker 3: want to mention, hey, you want to sit with a

475
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Speaker 3: couple of your buddies. Even though there's tables for eight,

476
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 3: nine and ten, they squeeze in hopefully with a couple

477
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Speaker 3: of your friends that night.

478
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Speaker 5: We'll get you in with with your friends and it's

479
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 5: good food, good drinks, and of course a lot of

480
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Speaker 5: fun with your elder friends and other friends you know

481
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Speaker 5: that that you'd like to spend time with. I'm telling

482
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Speaker 5: you it's a class a event. I have to say.

483
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Speaker 5: We put on a we put on a good deal

484
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Speaker 5: and it's twelve worth of money.

485
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Speaker 3: And before I let you go, Joe Lynn Junior, you've

486
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Speaker 3: been great with your time here, chairman of the Elder

487
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Speaker 3: Sports Stag class of seventy eight. Your baseball career, do

488
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 3: you have a state title on your resume?

489
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Speaker 4: I do? I do?

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Speaker 5: We want to stay title and eighteen seventy eight played

491
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Speaker 5: for Jerry Federally.

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Speaker 2: The one and only he.

493
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Speaker 3: He was one of my English teachers at Elder and

494
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Speaker 3: I treasure the memories of the late Feds.

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Speaker 2: Awesome. O.

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Speaker 5: Hey, great guy, Great guy.

497
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Speaker 2: Joe.

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Speaker 3: Can't thank you enough for joining us tonight to talk

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Speaker 3: about the Elder Stag with special guest Jean Staratur, CBS

500
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 3: sports rules analyst and former NFL and NCAA Division One

501
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 3: basketball official.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you, Joe, all.

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Speaker 5: Right, chick, thank you for having me on and appreciate it,

504
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 5: and I look forward to seeing you that night.

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Speaker 2: Okay, take care, Thank you so much, Joe, all right,

506
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 2: you bet you? All right?

507
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 3: This is Sports Talk And when we come back, man,

508
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 3: we're going to talk some Xavier basketball because they played

509
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 3: Georgetown tonight. And I'll be here afterwards to take you

510
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,959
Speaker 3: all the way to midnight on seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 2: ME seven eight in the Queen City of Cincinnati, chick

512
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Speaker 2: Ladwig seven w l W. This is Sports Talk.

513
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 3: Joe Waddell is tonight's producer, and we are getting you

514
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Speaker 3: ready for Xavior basketball against the Georgetown Hoyas. And I

515
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 3: like to say, I've got my coffee, I've got my computer.

516
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 3: So glad to have you in. I'm so glad to

517
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Speaker 3: have our next guest man. And what a weekend he's

518
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Speaker 3: got coming. Our good friend from the Musketeer Report and

519
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 3: the color Basketball analyst for the NKU Norse, the one

520
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 3: and only Rick Browing. Rick, How are you tonight?

521
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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 4: Stud?

523
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 2: Oh man? Now you got me fired up? Ready to

524
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 2: run through a wall with snot bubbles? Man much goal?

525
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 4: I love to hear it. Check.

526
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Speaker 2: Oh fantastic, doing well.

527
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Speaker 3: Merry Christmas to you and your family, and this is

528
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Speaker 3: a big game tonight here for the Musketeers and if

529
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Speaker 3: we could just look back, if we could what to

530
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Speaker 3: Wednesday night man the big East opener for the Musketeers

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Speaker 3: at home. Wow, A ninety eight to fifty seven lost

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Speaker 3: to the Creton Blue Jays. And what shocked me so

533
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 3: much not just the final score forty three bench points

534
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Speaker 3: for the Blue Jay That was rough.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think part of you know, the bench points

536
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Speaker 7: thing is Creighton has recently benched three of their starters

537
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Speaker 7: and changed around their line because they weren't playing well

538
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Speaker 7: and they were trying to get going. I think coach

539
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 7: McDermott has sent a message with his group. He also

540
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 7: said he felt like he needed to be more positive

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Speaker 7: with his team and get them to play a little

542
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Speaker 7: freer and looser on both ends of the floor, and

543
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Speaker 7: they did that. Finally, I think they had a breakthrough performance.

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Speaker 7: They obviously shot the ball incredibly well at the Centa Center,

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Speaker 7: which you took your cap to them for that, because

546
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Speaker 7: even if they were wide open, you still got to

547
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Speaker 7: make those three point shots and to make the amount

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Speaker 7: that they did is impressive. But Xavier's defense was a

549
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Speaker 7: total mess in this game. The thing that made Xavier

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Speaker 7: good during their resurgence that turn around where you know,

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Speaker 7: they picked up a handful of wins, and the two

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Speaker 7: main ones were West Virginia and Cincinnati, was they went

553
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Speaker 7: to a small ball lineup. They moved Yovan Malichevich off

554
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Speaker 7: of the bench and into the starting center position where

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Speaker 7: he stretch forward, playing the center spot and basically playing

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Speaker 7: a five out offense. But he didn't play well in

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Speaker 7: this game against Creyton. He didn't give them anything offensively,

558
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Speaker 7: and he's not a good defender, and Creyton really exploited

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Speaker 7: him on that end of the floor. Trey Carroll also

560
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Speaker 7: wasn't able to get it going against Creighton after that

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Speaker 7: masterful performance that he pulled off in the Crosstown shootout.

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Speaker 4: You know, as good as he was in that game,

563
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Speaker 4: I don't know that he's going to be a consistent go.

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Speaker 7: To option on the offensive end night in and night out.

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Speaker 7: And I think you saw that against Creighton. Without Zager

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Speaker 7: being able to get their front court going in that game,

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Speaker 7: they really didn't.

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Speaker 4: Have anything offensively.

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Speaker 7: And then, like I mentioned, on the other end of

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Speaker 7: the court, they were a bit of a mess in

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Speaker 7: part because they're playing Yovan Malichevich at the center spot,

572
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Speaker 7: and he just really struggles defensively.

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Speaker 3: Rick Brooring is with us from Musketeer Report, and man,

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Speaker 3: they just shoot. The Blue Jays certainly shot well sixty

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Speaker 3: percent from the floor thirty eight of sixty three, including

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Speaker 3: sixteen of thirty three threes for forty eight percent. Only

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Speaker 3: six of ten at the line for sixty percent. But man,

578
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Speaker 3: they were absolutely red hot. And now turning to tonight, man,

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Speaker 3: you know, having a five game winning streak snap like

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Speaker 3: they did, and they had won six out of seven games,

581
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Speaker 3: how important is tonight against the hoyas.

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 7: I think it was a sobering reality for a lot

584
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Speaker 7: of Zavier fans who felt like, you know, maybe this

585
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 7: team isn't as lacking in talent, and I was going

586
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Speaker 7: to struggle as much as everyone thought that they would

587
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Speaker 7: when the season started and they lost by nineteen to

588
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Speaker 7: Santa Clara, and they lost by nineteen at Iowa. After

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Speaker 7: they had turned it around and they played well against

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Speaker 7: West Virginia, they played well against Cincinnati, or.

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Speaker 4: At least played well enough to win those games.

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Speaker 7: I think people were kind of feeling some momento and

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00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 7: some positive vibes around this team, and then you see

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Speaker 7: that forty one point loss, and it's like, oh wow,

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Speaker 7: that's right.

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Speaker 4: This this team is not as.

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Speaker 7: Talented as what we're used to seeing at Xavier, and

598
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Speaker 7: so this Georgetown game represents an opportunity to wipe away

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Speaker 7: some of that taste, some of that taste out of

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Speaker 7: Xavier fans mouths and remind him that, Okay, maybe it's

601
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Speaker 7: going to be an up and down year and it's

602
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Speaker 7: not going to be as bad as it looked on

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Speaker 7: Wednesday night. So I think that's probably what.

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Speaker 2: Fans are looking for as just some glimmer of hope.

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Speaker 7: That this isn't going to be a really dark season

606
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 7: ahead and it wasn't just the Crosstown shootout win was

607
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Speaker 7: the last bit of fun that they had for the season.

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Speaker 7: I think that's what everyone's kind of looking for tonight,

609
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Speaker 7: is get back on track and maybe it's going to

610
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Speaker 7: be an up and down year. This is clearly going

611
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Speaker 7: to be a team that can be inconsistent at times,

612
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 7: but can you at least give us enough good nights

613
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Speaker 7: that you can have a fun rest of the season.

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Speaker 3: Rick Brooring is with us from the Musketeer Report, and

615
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Speaker 3: head coach Richard Patino kind of warned us at the

616
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Speaker 3: beginning of the season that you know it was going

617
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Speaker 3: to be a work in progress, and that five game

618
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 3: win streak really got everybody's hopes up. Like you mentioned

619
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Speaker 3: sobering reality here so and you mentioned the perfect word,

620
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Speaker 3: an opportunity tonight here against Georgetown, and you sure would

621
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Speaker 3: be nice to have them bounce back. I still like

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Speaker 3: the job Richard Patino's doing. It is very first year

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Speaker 3: here with the Musketeers.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I think the issue Zavier has right

625
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 7: now is a roster issue. They just don't have enough

626
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Speaker 7: talent for what you're used to seeing that Aavier used

627
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Speaker 7: to see in the Big East, and I think you're

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Speaker 7: seeing that across the board in the Big East.

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Speaker 4: It's a down year.

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Speaker 7: There are clear and obvious reasons for that, with the

631
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Speaker 7: way the rules change in college basketball last spring and

632
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 7: summer and how it affected the transfer portal. It's too

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00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 7: complex and too complicated to get into it during this segment.

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Speaker 7: We've done it a twenty five different times since last

635
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Speaker 7: spring on various shows, But basically a lot of the

636
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 7: schools that weren't the big football schools this year were

637
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 7: handicapped in last year's transfer Portal, and so you're seeing

638
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 7: that across the Big East. It's looking like a conference

639
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,479
Speaker 7: that might only get two or three teams Indian Zilla

640
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 7: Tournament this year if it continues the way it's going

641
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 7: right now. And so so I think that's the biggest

642
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 7: struggle to Davier's head as a lack.

643
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 4: Of talent on their roster.

644
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 7: Now, from the standpoint of being able to coach in

645
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 7: games and make adjustments within your roster and from game

646
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 7: to game, changing things up and giving your chance to

647
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 7: giving your team a chance to win games, I think

648
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 7: Richard Patino and his staff have done just about everything.

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Speaker 2: You could ask of them.

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Speaker 7: Now would you You don't want to see forty one

651
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 7: point blowout losses. You don't want to see the record

652
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 7: setting losses on your home floor the way they did

653
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,959
Speaker 7: against Creton. That obviously wasn't a positive sign. But there's

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00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 7: been a ton of things that they have done well.

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Speaker 7: From a coaching perspective, there's no question about that.

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Speaker 4: But in this day and age, Chick as you know.

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Speaker 7: I mean, a lot of this is going to come

658
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Speaker 7: down to being able to put together a roster. There.

659
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Speaker 7: They were putting an impossible situation last year getting here

660
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Speaker 7: when they got here, going through the portal with the

661
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Speaker 7: lack of resource, they did in comparison to the bigger

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Speaker 7: football schools.

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Speaker 4: So that is what it is.

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Speaker 7: But going forward, they'll have to prove they can put

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Speaker 7: together a good roster along with the coaching moves that

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Speaker 7: they they've already proven they can make throughout the course

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Speaker 7: of the season already.

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Speaker 3: And you mentioned Rick the Big East, and yeah, Saint

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Speaker 3: John's took one on the chin today at Rupperna against

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Speaker 3: the University of Kentucky seventy eight to sixty six, and

671
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Speaker 3: Saint John's ranked twenty second in the nation, So I'm

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Speaker 3: sure Rick Pattino is looking for answers there also. And hey,

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Speaker 3: I'd like to just shift here for a minute and

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Speaker 3: talk about the Northern Kentucky Norse Monster game tomorrow with

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Speaker 3: the College of Charleston coming in with Chris Mack noon game.

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Speaker 2: You can hear it right here.

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Speaker 3: iHeartMedia, Cincinnati, Fox Sports thirteen sixty at the Truest Arena

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Speaker 3: in Highland Heights.

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Speaker 2: This is a great opportunity here for the Norse well

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Speaker 2: it is.

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Speaker 7: It's a great opportunity too if you're a local college

682
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Speaker 7: basketball fan to come see two good mid major teams

683
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Speaker 7: go at it at noon on a Sunday, just an

684
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Speaker 7: easy time to get to you know, I know Sanna

685
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Speaker 7: is going to be there doing pictures with the kids.

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Speaker 7: So fun opportunity for good mid major basketball viewing.

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Speaker 4: Opportunity at noon on a Sunday.

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Speaker 7: With the Bengals out of it, you know, it's a

689
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Speaker 7: good time to maybe look at that option. But when

690
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Speaker 7: you talk about NKU right now, check, I think this

691
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 7: game with Charleston is another great measuring stick for them

692
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Speaker 7: to see where they're at, what their improvement on the

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Speaker 7: defensive end.

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Speaker 4: They've been able to score the ball.

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Speaker 2: They had that six.

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Speaker 7: Game winning streak that they had, the rough loss at

697
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Speaker 7: Prue Fort Wayne where they led by fifteen at halftime

698
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Speaker 7: and then watched it slip away, and then they lost

699
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Speaker 7: a close one in conference at home to Oakland the

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Speaker 7: other night. But the issues that they've had have come

701
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Speaker 7: with not being consistent enough defensively, especially down the stretch

702
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Speaker 7: of some of these conference games. And Charleston isn't a

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Speaker 7: conference game, so it's not going to count towards towards

704
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Speaker 7: the seeding in the Horizon League Tournament. But last I checked,

705
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Speaker 7: this was yesterday on pen Pom, these two teams NK

706
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 7: and Charleston were ranked exactly one spot apart, so they

707
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Speaker 7: are two teams that are evenly mad by all the metrics.

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Speaker 7: Chris Mack and that Charleston program always have great resources

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Speaker 7: in the transfer portal, so it really is a good

710
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Speaker 7: chance to measure up and kind of see how you're

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Speaker 7: improving against the team that's very similar to you.

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Speaker 3: The Norse have one eight out of ten of their

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Speaker 3: last games here and they're nine and four overall, seven

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Speaker 3: and one at home.

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Speaker 2: Charleston is six and six.

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Speaker 3: But man, it all happens tomorrow Truest Arena, Highland Heights,

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Speaker 3: Kentucky at noon, and.

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Speaker 2: How do you see this game going.

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Speaker 3: What's going to be important here for the Norse getting

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Speaker 3: off to a good start and man, just being consistent throughout.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think really for them, they've been pretty good

722
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Speaker 7: in the first half of these games.

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Speaker 4: They've they've gotten off.

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Speaker 7: To pretty good starts of late, but it's been more

725
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Speaker 7: finishing in the second half of these games. You got

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Speaker 7: to put two good halfs together, and a lot of

727
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Speaker 7: it comes down to the defensive side. You know, it's

728
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Speaker 7: easy to play well on both ends and play hard

729
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 7: and have energy when you're making shots and the three

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Speaker 7: balls going in. The issue in Kushead at times is

731
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Speaker 7: guys let the way they're playing on the offensive end,

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Speaker 7: or whether they're scoring or not, affects their overall energy

733
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Speaker 7: and effort level on both ends of the floor. And

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Speaker 7: that's where I think, you know, coach Horn and his

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Speaker 7: staff have tried to get them to mature a little bit,

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Speaker 7: grow up and be more unselfish of like, hey, it

737
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Speaker 7: doesn't matter how it's going for you, it matters how

738
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Speaker 7: it's going for the team overall. And as long as

739
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 7: you play defensive play with great effort, we can still

740
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Speaker 7: get a lot of value out of you and win games.

741
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Speaker 7: And so I think that's what they're moving towards, and

742
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Speaker 7: that's where they're still trying to get better. But the

743
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Speaker 7: most exciting thing for MKU fans is this team has

744
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Speaker 7: proven to be able to score the ball at a

745
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Speaker 7: level that we really haven't seen in Highland Heights and

746
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Speaker 7: Darren Horn's tenure yet he's had some really good individuals

747
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Speaker 7: like Mark wez Warwick who can score by themselves, but

748
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Speaker 7: those teams were oftentimes squeaking out sixty two to fifty

749
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Speaker 7: eight wins. And you know, this team is able to

750
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Speaker 7: play in the eighties and nineties pretty easily on the

751
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Speaker 7: offensive end. So if they can fix the defensive side

752
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 7: of the ball and be more consistent there, they've shown

753
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 7: flashes for sure, but they can be more consistent, have

754
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Speaker 7: a chance to be pretty special this year, I think.

755
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Speaker 7: But really, the entire top half of the Horizon League

756
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Speaker 7: is looking pretty strong, chick. I mean, there are four

757
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Speaker 7: or five teams that you could you could tell me

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Speaker 7: any of the five are going to be at the

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Speaker 7: top of the league here in a couple of weeks,

760
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Speaker 7: and it would not surprise me one bit.

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Speaker 3: And that's what you love, Rick brooring about the Horizon League. Gosh,

762
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Speaker 3: the uh it's it's anybody's league. We we see the

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Speaker 3: Oakland Golden Grizzlies, UH with a six to seven overall record,

764
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Speaker 3: but two to zero in the conference.

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Speaker 2: So UH.

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Speaker 3: To that, yes, yes, so UH love the league mid

767
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Speaker 3: majors and man, uh you know seedings important here for

768
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Speaker 3: the for the conference tournament, but year in and year out,

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Speaker 3: it's just so balanced and on any night anything can happen.

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Speaker 3: And UH love love Northern Kentucky and the closeness with

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Speaker 3: UH with the right State Raiders up in the Dayton area.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt.

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Speaker 7: I mean, as you talked about out State's good this year,

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Speaker 7: MKU is looking like they're going to be in competition

775
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Speaker 7: for a Horizon League championship. Youngstown State is really good,

776
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Speaker 7: Robert Morris is really good, Oakland's really good. I mean,

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Speaker 7: any of those five teams are legit contenders to win

778
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Speaker 7: it all. And I've been asked multiple times this weekend,

779
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Speaker 7: even who do you think is the best team in Willie.

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Speaker 4: You think's going to win it?

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Speaker 7: And I'm like, I don't know. I don't have a favorite.

782
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Speaker 7: There is no clear favorite right now in the Horizon League.

783
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Speaker 7: And that's what makes it so fun going into this year.

784
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Speaker 7: And also you have so many different styles of play

785
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Speaker 7: within the league. When you talk about you know, Oakland

786
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 7: plays a funky matchup zone that Morris and MKU plays

787
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 7: a matchup zone, and IU Indy is trying to play

788
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 7: the fastest pace in all of college basketball with a

789
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Speaker 7: very unique style, and Youngstown State's very analytical, takes away threes,

790
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 7: shoots a lot of threes, all of these types of things.

791
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 7: I mean, there's lots of different styles of play. You've

792
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 7: got Doug Gottlieb at Green Bay and he's quitting his

793
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 7: radio show now to focus on his team. So so

794
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 7: many storylines within the league as well.

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Speaker 3: And what I love about the league these are big

796
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 3: cities that you go into, you know, Detroit, Yeah, you know,

797
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 3: even a Green Bay you know that loves their football.

798
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 3: But gosh, Indianapolis, Cleveland, and Chicago and Youngstown and gosh,

799
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Speaker 3: Purdue Fort Wayne and they play in a great old

800
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Speaker 3: arena that's been refurbished. Does do the Milwaukee Panthers still

801
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 3: play in the old Mecca that Martell played in.

802
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Speaker 2: That is a historic old place. I love that place.

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Speaker 7: Great spot, chick. You know. The great thing about there

804
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Speaker 7: is old spot like that classic arena. They've got the

805
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 7: long John's in the bathroom still it's like you're peeing

806
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Speaker 7: on the floor.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing, man, oh man, incredible. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And that's where gosh, the old Marquette Warriors outlawed because

809
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 3: their uniforms were too cool. They had to chase the

810
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Speaker 3: uniforms for Al McGuire. Oh, great stuff. Hey, Rick, where

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Speaker 3: Rick browing Man really appreciate your time tonight, and I

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Speaker 3: want to wish you and your family a very merry

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Speaker 7: Thanks Jack, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: And before we go to break, just want to say

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