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Speaker 1: All right, welcome in Day two Cake Show Edition, Bumper

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Speaker 1: to Bumper guardsy in for Dan today. Dan, We'll be

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Speaker 1: back tomorrow. A bunch of guests today, just like yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Brett Blake Moore is here as well. It's Wednesday, so

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Speaker 1: Pat Kessler will be rolling in right around five o'clock.

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Speaker 1: We also have my buddy Ryan Burns from Gopher Illustrated

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Speaker 1: dot Com coming a little bit later about three forty five,

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Speaker 1: and Jace Frederick from the Pioneer Press will join to talk.

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Speaker 1: What else Brett blakemore Minnesota Timberwolves basketball. Course, they're back

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Speaker 1: in action tonight against the Memphis Grizzlies. But we are

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Speaker 1: obligated to start with the Minnesota Wild. We are obligated

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Speaker 1: to start with hockey. I'm gonna ask you this question.

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Speaker 1: It's the Central Division, right, and then is this the

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Speaker 1: Pacific Division?

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Speaker 2: Yes, the one out west.

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Speaker 1: Who's the best team in the Pacific Division or who

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Speaker 1: would you anticipate? You don't have to google it. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna tell you who it's gonna be. It's gonna be Vegas. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna go in reaction. Let's just start with Vegas.

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Speaker 1: So I was at the Wild game last night. Oh,

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Speaker 1: good for me. Wow, And I got tickets before we

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Speaker 1: became Quinnesota. This has been on the calendar for a while,

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Speaker 1: so good luck for myself, good luck for gray Man,

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Speaker 1: my nine year old, my mite who I took yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Here's all I'm going to say.

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Speaker 1: After the game last night, it's the Wild and Golden

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Speaker 1: Knights in the Western Conference Finals, and you are on

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Speaker 1: your own after that.

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Speaker 3: I was telling Tenna in the transition of power, I'm

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Speaker 3: not sure the skate Treots are a good enough name.

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Speaker 3: We might think of something better than the Skate Trees.

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Speaker 3: I know it's that good. It's disgusting how good it is. Yes,

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Speaker 3: it's sick, how good it is.

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Speaker 1: And I'm I texted Abbot at seven thirty this morning

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Speaker 1: and I said, who's with me today? Because, as you know,

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Speaker 1: especially this time of year, we have no idea who's

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Speaker 2: Us at any given point.

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Speaker 1: When you turn on the fan in December, especially mid

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Speaker 1: to late December, it's a crapshoot. Wait till next week, right,

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Speaker 1: we have no until tomorrow, and we have no idea

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Speaker 1: who's going to be on.

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Speaker 2: At any given point.

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Speaker 1: And he said Brett, And I said perfect, because we

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Speaker 1: need to talk Wild, and you were very like you

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Speaker 1: were having a tough time processing everything on Saturday and

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Speaker 1: Saturday it seemed like, so, I'm glad you're here because

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Speaker 1: we are going to intermittently talk Wild.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, we can call them the skate Triots.

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Speaker 1: We can say it's the Golden Knights and Wild in

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Speaker 1: the Western Conference Finals. You're on your own after that.

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Speaker 1: They're a wagon. They're a wagon. That's all I can say.

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Speaker 1: And what do you want? Do you want the numbers

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Speaker 1: to prove the point? We can give you the numbers.

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Speaker 1: Great homestand four and oh nineteen goals four six against

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Speaker 1: another shutout last night. No one's even talking about Gus Bus,

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Speaker 1: who was brilliant in the first period when Washington was

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Speaker 1: having their way a little bit early.

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Speaker 2: I think early shots were eleven to five.

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Speaker 1: Wild might have been up one zero, even though because

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Speaker 1: Tara Sinkle, all of a sudden, is twenty five years old.

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Speaker 2: Again out of nowhere.

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Speaker 1: The Quinnesota effect, the home points streak thirteen games, ties

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Speaker 1: of franchise record, the record eleven oh and two. How

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Speaker 1: about their last twenty two go back to the first

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Speaker 2: If you're a numbers person.

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Speaker 1: Every number right now feels good, every analytic looks good.

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Speaker 1: You can make a case about for about five players,

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Speaker 1: and they only have about five players right now that

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Speaker 2: I couldn't name half the guys on the ice. Last night.

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Speaker 1: My son's asking me who they are. I said, I

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Speaker 1: ninety seven. Oh, by the way, Ovechkin's over there. He

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Speaker 1: did not believe me that Alex Ovechkin has scored more

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Speaker 2: Midway through the second period, he said, are you sure

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Speaker 1: And I said, I know, I'm not a hockey guy,

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Speaker 1: I watched Wayne Gretzky follow him around last year for

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Speaker 1: Father time is undefeated. But it's not even about the numbers.

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Speaker 1: The numbers, as I mentioned, arek exquisite. It's the feel

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Speaker 1: you know exactly what I'm talking about. The first it

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Speaker 1: I remember just watching him and just saying, this feels different.

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Speaker 1: that might strike fear. And again we know we don't

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Speaker 1: need to litigate it. It didn't end up like we

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Speaker 1: that and maybe more. I mean, he's pure electricity. I'll

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Speaker 1: Vancouver Canucks hockey when I'm playing, you know, the NHL

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Speaker 1: else when this deal happened on Friday night. I know

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Speaker 1: the name, I know he's good, but I'm looking for

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Speaker 1: the NFL or basketball comp to speak, speak my language,

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Speaker 2: Everybody's excited. Why the crowd.

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Speaker 1: Is waiting and watching on his every move, every move,

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Speaker 1: They're watching this guy, and as I'm watching him. And

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Speaker 1: that's what was funny to me, is I used to

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Speaker 1: And no surprise, he scored last night. He's now tied

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Speaker 2: Idiot. I mean that tells you.

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Speaker 1: I mean there's a reason why we're running out of

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Speaker 2: Twenty fifth. Well, if you look at the games played too,

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Speaker 1: And the bit on Koivu was he never shot and

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Speaker 1: the hockey community. But it's like with Hughesy. It's like

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Speaker 1: Where he gets the ball, he brings it up, he

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Speaker 1: Everything is quick, everything is on target. Everything moves fluidly.

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Speaker 1: our power play last night, the first power play they had.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if they scored on this one. They

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Speaker 1: texting with somebody last night. It's like the Russians in

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Speaker 1: It's hughes Capri soft Boldy, Eric Sinek and there was

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but just look at that leak. Was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's unbelievable and I will not be slowing down

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Speaker 1: in December with everything going on, that's pretty cool. And

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Speaker 1: it's the Parisian Suitor thing. That was a franchise changing moment.

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Speaker 1: It changed the entire energy, and it obviously has to

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Speaker 2: But this is another one of those moments.

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Speaker 1: And I know I'm probably late to the party and

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Speaker 1: And you're just thinking about where this could potentially go

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Speaker 3: They but they I'm struggling to keep up with all

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was and you can tell that there's clearly

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Speaker 2: Ten minutes ago.

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Speaker 1: Wait till we played for six weeks, Wait till I

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Speaker 1: actually know what the hell's going on. Yeah, we're about

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Speaker 1: to have some dinners with these guys and actually understand

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Speaker 1: how they want to play. We're just we're just noon

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Speaker 3: I will speak for the state of hockey where there

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Speaker 3: is no bitterness for me, because if the Wild get

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Speaker 3: coverage on the Cake Show edition of Bumper to Bumper,

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Speaker 3: I say, we're happy and let's just take it.

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Speaker 2: So I think good on you for that. I think

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Speaker 2: it's twofold.

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Speaker 3: The energy comes from a he's a superstar, and when

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Speaker 3: a superstar comes to town, that's buzz.

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Speaker 2: But then I think it's also double that Bill Garren

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Speaker 2: took a shot. Oh bit damn. Yeah. So now we're

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Speaker 3: We're we think this team is good enough, and you know,

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Speaker 3: the talk is that they want to add one more.

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Speaker 2: Who will that be or will that happen?

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Speaker 3: We don't know, but the fact that we're in big

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Speaker 3: game hunting mode and brought in a legit superstar. How

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Speaker 3: many teams in the league there's two other ones that

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Speaker 3: happened to be in the Central Division. Yeah, that can

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Speaker 3: just throw down a royal flush of a power play

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Speaker 3: as there is no stopping this because we are so good,

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Speaker 3: we have so much skill, and we have that here.

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Speaker 3: For years growing up, it was who are wild play tonight?

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Speaker 3: I want to see someone exciting. Is Crosby in town?

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Speaker 3: You know, is McDavid intown? And we have that team

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Speaker 2: I can't wait for tomorrow night against Columbus and then

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Speaker 3: How good is it? We're going to be doing schedule checks.

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Speaker 3: This is unbelievable. This is special times. This is the

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Speaker 1: We'll see if he has Quinn Hughes fever. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: He's going to join about thirty minutes from now, and

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Speaker 1: You're looking around you? You're making me nervous. What's going on?

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Speaker 1: Ann, Bradshaw and Bryant. Text line is six four six

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Speaker 1: eight six. Questions for our next guest, Jays Frederick, you

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Speaker 1: since I've talked to him. Jase, thank you as always

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Speaker 1: for joining. My first question this isn't from the text line.

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Speaker 1: What is Tim Conley's move to combat and contradict the

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Speaker 4: I don't know, because we're the Wild responding to what

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Speaker 1: I say it's it's yeah. The ball is back in

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Speaker 1: In all seriousness, we haven't talked in a while. We

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Speaker 1: I look at the fact, you know they're seventeen and nine.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think the seventeen and nine and

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Speaker 2: Dante's obviously the starter.

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Speaker 1: Now we know what Conley's role is kind of now

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Speaker 1: we're in the bones Highland era of Timberwolves basketball. After

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Speaker 1: twenty four to twenty five games, Finchy makes that move.

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Speaker 1: So do you think that this is going to be

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Speaker 1: a deadline thing or do you think if they find

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Speaker 1: something that they like and are comfortable with there, they

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Speaker 1: will shake it up here in the next four to

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Speaker 1: six weeks.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think some Connelly's never really shown

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Speaker 4: an apprehension for making a mover, wanting to wait it

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Speaker 4: out or wanting to see how it looks. I think

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Speaker 4: they have a pretty good idea of what they have

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Speaker 4: right now, and so whatever they think is the fix

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Speaker 4: to that. If the price comes in on somebody who

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Speaker 4: they think will solve the issues sooner than later than

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Speaker 4: they would probably pull the trigger on that because you know,

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Speaker 4: if you think that's going to help you win now,

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Speaker 4: then you don't want to wait too long in this

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Speaker 4: West because if you do wait too long and you

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Speaker 4: are right, but you waited too long, now you're looking

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Speaker 4: and maybe like the six of the five and obviously

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Speaker 4: last year they showed you can still go from that

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Speaker 4: to the West finals. But usually one or two things

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Speaker 4: has to go your way. So I definitely think that

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Speaker 4: it's one of those things where, hey, if they think

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Speaker 4: a scoring point guard who can space the floor, push

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Speaker 4: pace all this stuff and maybe release tension from ants

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Speaker 4: on the ball, handling front, play making front, if they

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Speaker 4: think that is the ultimate fix, and they find that

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Speaker 4: guy who they think can kind of solve those answers.

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Speaker 4: I don't think they would dis intentionally wait so, but

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Speaker 4: you know, obviously results between now and whenever that presents

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Speaker 4: itselfle matter too. If Phone Titland plays great and sets

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Speaker 4: in and they're like, oh, I don't know how much

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Speaker 4: of an improvement Player X would be Overbones, then maybe

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Speaker 4: that's something that would calluse you to push the pause

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Speaker 4: button for a bit. But as of right now, I

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Speaker 4: think if something presented itself can kindly wouldn't hesitate.

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Speaker 1: Who are the names you're vetting? Because I you know

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Speaker 1: you're vetting who are the guard names you're paying attention to?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Well, frankly, just from my own perspective, I don't think

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Speaker 4: there's a lot of fixes. I really don't. I don't

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Speaker 4: like point guard so much of this as scoring. Like

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Speaker 4: you know, you talk about like a Kobe White, and

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Speaker 4: it's like, yeah, you know, the people around like, oh yeah,

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Speaker 4: Kobe like like a Kobe White. But there are so

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Speaker 4: many guys like that where I'm like, this team I

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Speaker 4: think needs to get better defensively, So I don't know

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Speaker 4: how many fixers are out there. Kobe would make you

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Speaker 4: worse defensively he certainly would add some shooting and playmaking,

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Speaker 4: but also you know, like that ball in my mind

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Speaker 4: is still aways going to be more so in Ant

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Speaker 4: hands than anybody else's. So I'm kind of in the

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Speaker 4: boat of like you think or swim with Ant making

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Speaker 4: these progressions or not. Ye, so that like, I definitely

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Speaker 4: think they are going to make pushes on that front,

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Speaker 4: but there aren't a lot of guys available and everybody

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Speaker 4: who is, whether it be is guys who maybe like

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Speaker 4: a Kobe White who could be on the market now

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Speaker 4: you know, like you could talk about guys like wa

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Speaker 4: Mellow Ball where it's like, oh, maybe Charlotte does go

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Speaker 4: in that direction. Guys even that you could get maybe

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Speaker 4: a discount. This is what you think you could get

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Speaker 4: from them in the past. And I think, is that

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Speaker 4: somebody who's actually going to address the wolf's biggest needs

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Speaker 4: or are you trying to patch one hole and creating

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Speaker 4: another week? And that's just something I think they're going

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Speaker 4: to have to wrestle with.

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Speaker 2: This is Jase Frederick from The Pioneer Press. If you

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Speaker 2: listen to the Cake Show edition of Bumper to Bumper,

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Speaker 2: it's a voice very familiar to you. We are talking Timberwolves.

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Speaker 1: Ryan Burns from golfer Illustrated dot Com about twenty minutes

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Speaker 1: from now, Pat Kesseler will make his weekly.

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Speaker 2: Appearance right around five point fifteen. We've talked a lot

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Speaker 2: about Jaden McDaniels over the years.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen enough in this stretch to be convinced

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Speaker 1: that this is the new floor, This is the new

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Speaker 1: Jaden McDaniels. And I'm talking about the offense where I

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Speaker 1: never think he's missing now when he takes a shot.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so. I think especially if they can

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Speaker 4: play the way that is most conducive to his success.

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Speaker 4: And I think that is when you're pushing out in transition,

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Speaker 4: when you're getting good ball movement, when James confident that

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Speaker 4: the ball is going to see his hands and he's

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Speaker 4: going to touch it more frequently. I think he played

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Speaker 4: some really good basketball. It's when it never gets to

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Speaker 4: him and now of a sudden, that one shot doesn't

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Speaker 4: go and you can see his head hanging was like

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Speaker 4: it might be the last, and I touch up for

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Speaker 4: the next two minutes. That's when I think you see

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Speaker 4: Jaden maybe get more frustrated or in his head more.

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Speaker 4: Because even himself, teammates, especially have said, like it's a

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Speaker 4: confidence thing for Jayden, and I think when the ball

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Speaker 4: is frequently getting to him, very confident in what he

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Speaker 4: can do in his abilities. And the thing I like

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Speaker 4: about Jaden is like, yes he's scoring a lot, Yes

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Speaker 4: he's getting into a spot, he's capitalizing, But when I

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Speaker 4: watch the games or when I watch back to the games,

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Speaker 4: it's like Jadan's the best cutter, Jaden's the best relocator

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Speaker 4: on the perimeter. Like he just does so many They've

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Speaker 4: lost so many like higher IQ guys on this team,

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Speaker 4: and my thoughts all he's been where's it going to

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Speaker 4: come back to? Like, who's going to kind of regenerate

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Speaker 4: that ability, especially as Mike kind of ages out. I

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Speaker 4: think Jayden is a pretty big one of Yes, he

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Speaker 4: might make those like that emotional play, that emotional foul

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Speaker 4: that leaves you scratching your head when he's frustrated or whatever,

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Speaker 4: but it's just on a play to play basis. I

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Speaker 4: think I see some of the more high IQ stuff

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Speaker 4: coming from Jayden. So when he mixed that on top

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Speaker 4: of his ability to get his shot off over anybody

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Speaker 4: and get to his thoughts pretty efficiently, I think he

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Speaker 4: does have a higher offensive ceiling then maybe even I

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Speaker 4: thought in the past just because I was like, Hey,

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Speaker 4: he can do a B and C, but I don't

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Speaker 4: think he's ever going to get you a deep bag

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Speaker 4: quote unquote or whatever. But I don't even know if

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Speaker 4: he needs it. The way the efficient way that he plays,

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Speaker 4: and part of his efficiency is because I think he's

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Speaker 4: a pretty smart basketball player.

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Speaker 1: I listened to your most recent appearance on the Day

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Speaker 1: Moore podcast, I think it dropped yesterday, and it was

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Speaker 1: interesting to hear you guys talking about the way that

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Speaker 1: the Wolves have been playing in Ant's absence here, especially

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Speaker 1: the last couple of games, and how I think you

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Speaker 1: just kind of alluded to it that plays into Jaden's strengths,

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Speaker 1: that plays into so many other players' strengths, and how

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Speaker 1: the ball kind of gets up the floor. It's in

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Speaker 1: transition and it's being shared, and it's an interesting thing

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Speaker 1: that they've got to figure out when Anthony Edwards comes back.

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Speaker 1: Is what it seemed like you were hinting at that

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Speaker 1: they're playing a really fun style of basketball right now,

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Speaker 1: and when Ant comes back, he's going to get.

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Speaker 2: The ball a lot, which I think we all agree with.

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Speaker 1: Is that something they still have to iron out like

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Speaker 1: the best way for this team to play with Also,

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Speaker 1: maybe one of the best six or seven players in

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Speaker 1: the NBA needs the ball a lot.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I just think we've seen the best

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Speaker 4: versions of Jaden and Nas come out when they're playing

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Speaker 4: this brand of basketball, which isn't executed as frequently when

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Speaker 4: Ant's out there, and when Ant and Julius are out there,

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Speaker 4: which I think Ant and Julius almost make each other

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Speaker 4: more violation players because they do it just does get

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Speaker 4: a little bit more into like ugo, I go and

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Speaker 4: like confusion of Okay, I got the pass from you.

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Speaker 4: Now I guess it's my turn to drive. Here, they

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Speaker 4: just it doesn't feel it's flowing, and they don't play

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Speaker 4: as much pace, and those two don't have as much

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Speaker 4: movement off the ball even when there are actions in

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Speaker 4: the other direction. So nothing works as well and within

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Speaker 4: this brand. But you can just tell that like the

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Speaker 4: James and Nass of the world, wants to play that

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Speaker 4: get up and down share the ball basketball, and that

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Speaker 4: is I think one of the things where they play

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Speaker 4: their best. So I think the challenge for Ant is, Hey,

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Speaker 4: what what's like the main thing that superstars in the

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Speaker 4: NBA have to do. You can say the score. I

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Speaker 4: think it make everybody else around you better. And I

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Speaker 4: think if Aunt wants to make everybody else around him

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Speaker 4: better and make their lives easier when he's on the court,

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Speaker 4: which is how it should be in the game, sure,

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Speaker 4: that's going to have to be being conducive to Okay,

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Speaker 4: how do I make sure we're playing at the pace daylight?

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Speaker 4: How do I make sure that, Yes, well, there are

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Speaker 4: certainly times where I'm gonna have to stay on That's

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Speaker 4: just part of being an NBA superstar. How do I

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Speaker 4: make it on a night's to night basis that we're

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Speaker 4: playing a brand that they are were maximizing everybody else

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Speaker 4: around me, and I'm raising their floors because that is

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Speaker 4: your ultimate job. I think, as you know the face

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Speaker 4: of the franchise.

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Speaker 1: One of the things I've noticed you often tweet out

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Speaker 1: the Wolves Net ratings after a certain number of games,

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Speaker 1: and Dante DiVincenzo continues to be on top there, and

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Speaker 1: I feel like you feel like you have to explain

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Speaker 1: your work or explain yourself about Dante where it's no

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Speaker 1: he really is you guys might not think it, and

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Speaker 1: maybe you have some baggage from how he played last year,

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Speaker 1: But am I reading those tea leaves right? Because he

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Speaker 1: obviously has played very well. You hit the most important

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Speaker 1: shot against Golden State the other night. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if it was the smartest shot in the world, the

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Speaker 1: greatest shot in the world. It was a quicken the

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Speaker 1: shot clock. But he was wide open because if it

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Speaker 1: doesn't go in. I feel like Steph Curry is hitting

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Speaker 1: a fifty photo the other way and we're talking about

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Speaker 1: another meltdown. But do you feel the need to have

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Speaker 1: to like show your work even though the work's been

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Speaker 1: done that Dante has been pretty damn good for this

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Speaker 1: team this year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think I felt that a little bit.

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Speaker 4: But honestly, that's one where even the numbers maybe changed

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Speaker 4: the way I feel about it sometimes. Sure, it is

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Speaker 4: very easy when Dante is tasked with things that maybe

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Speaker 4: aren't the most natural to him, like, hey, bring the

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Speaker 4: ball up, and yeah, it's a pressure defense, and yeah,

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Speaker 4: we're not going to do that much to help you

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Speaker 4: and you might just might not be setting you for

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Speaker 4: success here, and then he turns the ball over and

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Speaker 4: those things are loud, right, I think those are things

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Speaker 4: that leave a bad taste in the amount of like

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Speaker 4: how good is this guy? Whatever, Get somebody else in

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Speaker 4: who can better handle these responsibilities that really shouldn't be

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Speaker 4: like on the forefront of his role, but you do see,

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Speaker 4: like especially again where he kind of can drive pace

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Speaker 4: for them. He makes some of these risks on defense

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Speaker 4: that I think sometimes can hurt them but can also

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Speaker 4: lead to like the plays that spark things that I

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Speaker 4: just think kind of bring out some of the best

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Speaker 4: of the Wolves when they're getting up and down and

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Speaker 4: turning defense into offense, and he kind of ten when

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Speaker 4: things are rolling, like he can be a big part

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Speaker 4: of that. I think we saw it even against the Kings,

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Speaker 4: like NAS's the three to get it back up to

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Speaker 4: nine and Dante's one who pressure is steel lay up

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Speaker 4: the other way to kind of put the game away.

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Speaker 4: Like he makes a lot more of those players than

651
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 4: we realize, and when they're playing the way they like

652
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 4: to play, he's benefiting from it too. So I think

653
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 4: it's not really a mistake that his netwrating is the

654
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 4: highest because when they're rolling, he's helping generate it and

655
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 4: he's one benefiting from it from kind of their best basketball.

656
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 4: So I definitely have those times where I'm like, I

657
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 4: think Dante's struggling tonight and maybe there are better options

658
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 4: than blah blah blah. But the numbers do kind of

659
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 4: confirm that, no, this guy's really helpful to this team.

660
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 4: And so that's why when you're like, oh, you know,

661
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 4: get rid of this guy so you can upgrade gear,

662
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 4: I think it is like the numbers shurovide a little

663
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 4: bit of the context of is that really an upgrade

664
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Speaker 4: or are you just trying to kind of reimagine what

665
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 4: you think is that it's best for this team, even

666
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 4: if the data suggests otherwise.

667
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: Last one on the walls before we talk about a

668
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: couple of league wide things with Jase Frederick from the

669
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Speaker 1: Pioneer Press. Obviously, Rob Dillingham is taking his seat back

670
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: on the bench more or less. He'll obviously get some

671
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 1: minutes and he'll get some run in different games. I'm curious.

672
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: I asked this to Dan the other day because I'm

673
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: not as down on Dillingham as everybody is. And I

674
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: know when when you trade up like they did, and

675
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: you take a big swing like you did, like it's

676
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: going to be noticed, right, It's for the same reason

677
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy scrutinized and even Dallas Turner. But I'm curious

678
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Speaker 1: take us back to draft night then or the you know,

679
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: his rookie season, like what was Is it fair to

680
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: say he has been a disappointment or is it maybe

681
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Speaker 1: we this wasn't the right spot for him given what

682
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Speaker 1: they need, or is he on the same timeline he

683
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: was always supposed to be on being a one and

684
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: done player in college and clearly a guy.

685
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Speaker 2: Who's going to need some season.

686
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Speaker 1: And I guess what I'm asking is kind of evaluate

687
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Speaker 1: the whole Dillingham saga.

688
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Speaker 4: Yeah, So what's interesting about that was when they made

689
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 4: that trade on draft night, Tim connolly said at Chris

690
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 4: Finch said it shortly thereafter, like, we're committed to playing

691
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 4: and I really do think that they thought. They watched

692
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 4: the Western Conference finals against Dallas, so I think and

693
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 4: was a little war down and yes, Thouols are really

694
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 4: good defensively, but there's only so much you can do

695
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 4: against Luca Dongeon. So they thought, at the end of

696
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 4: the day, we need another creator. We're even a little

697
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Speaker 4: bit more oftensive firepower if we're going to take the

698
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Speaker 4: next steps to the NBA Finals. And I think they

699
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 4: even throughout the process of watching the you know, the

700
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 4: draft and looking at guys, they thought Rob Dillingham because

701
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Speaker 4: be one of those creators who could help them right now.

702
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 4: I mean, I think they knew that they were losing

703
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 4: Kyle Anderson, and they thought, Okay, we'll punch this guy

704
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 4: in kind of as that back up points guard and

705
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 4: give us that real scoring punch. And then I think

706
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 4: throughout summer league, you know, and whennot in the offseason,

707
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 4: and Okay, I don't know how ready he is. I

708
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 4: think that played some role even in just that cat

709
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 4: trade that obviously brought back Dante as well. So I

710
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 4: just don't think from day one when they made the

711
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 4: move to when they saw the instant results, he was

712
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 4: quite as ready as they thought. And now I think

713
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 4: we're seeing here this year you kind of see why.

714
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 4: Like it's just a little inconsistent. There are certainly moments

715
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 4: there run there are a little stretches of like maybe

716
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 4: a first half stint where you're like, Okay, that was

717
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 4: pretty good from Robin. Then the second half isn't or

718
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 4: and I don't know if it's confidence or whatever, And

719
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 4: I don't know if he's just maybe not just quite ready,

720
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Speaker 4: but I don't think as far as like contributing to

721
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Speaker 4: a championship team on the team that still would like

722
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 4: to pride itself more on the defensive end, wants to

723
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 4: play a certain way offensively. It's one of those things

724
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Speaker 4: where I bet if he was in Washington and getting

725
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 4: extended run and playing with a lot of confidence, you

726
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 4: would look at him and say, Okay, yeah, I could

727
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 4: see that guy being something. But when you look at

728
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 4: a team that is constantly trying to contend at the

729
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 4: highest level and win games and playing for the postseason,

730
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 4: you kind of wonder how would he fit into all

731
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 4: of this when you get to where you want to go.

732
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Speaker 4: So it's a tough thing there. We did see, like

733
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 4: Reed Sheppard last year also set the bench for Houston,

734
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 4: so like it can happen there too. But Shepard has

735
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 4: kind of worked his way into a role and he's

736
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 4: done it playing pretty consistently well. We haven't seen those

737
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 4: consistent successes from dealing him yet. I think if we did,

738
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 4: he would see more of like a Shepherd role right now,

739
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 4: but that just hasn't happened.

740
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Speaker 1: I feel like guys like playing with him. I feel

741
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: like guys like him, just watching the body language when

742
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: he's out there. Part a lot of it is I

743
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: think he'll get him the ball, which is what everybody wants.

744
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 2: So I'm not giving up on him.

745
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: I know everybody else is, because I do think and

746
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: obviously he's small, there's things that you're gonna have to

747
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: fight against your whole time, but you're also asking him

748
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: to be, you know, probably more of a distributor than

749
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: he's ever been in the past, in a different way

750
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: than what I'm talking about. I just I don't know

751
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: that I'm not giving up on him. I guess I

752
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: still see the upside, and I still see the talent.

753
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 4: And there's plenty of time. And one thing that I

754
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 4: do think is kind of a fallacy is that you

755
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 4: can't develop if you're not playing. And I think we

756
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 4: see plenty of guys. Oh yeah, like Bolon Thailand does

757
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 4: not play basketball. He fell out of favor after his

758
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 4: rookie year in Denver, went to the Clippers, played a

759
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 4: little bit and up buried on their bench and just

760
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 4: basically gets let go and signed here and so basically

761
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,959
Speaker 4: didn't play NBA minutes. And he comes back and he's

762
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 4: played really well and probably a little better than he was,

763
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 4: you know, prior to not all that time not playing,

764
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 4: like you can develop just within a system, within reps

765
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 4: and practice, within your own personal development and just learning

766
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,719
Speaker 4: the game and maturing as a person. You can develop

767
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 4: in that way. So I really don't think you have

768
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 4: to play twenty minutes to night in the NBA, even

769
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 4: if a young player takes strides forward. I just think

770
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 4: it can kind of come down to personal development, and

771
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 4: everybody does that, you know, at their own pace, and

772
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 4: Rob's young enough for there's plenty of time to do that.

773
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 4: I know, like Timberl's fans would like to help now

774
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 4: because they could use it. But I think you're ready

775
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 4: even if Rob does go to the bench and doesn't

776
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 4: seem many minutes now, like I think his story even

777
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 4: here can be far from over. And so he's a

778
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 4: young guy and there was a little bit of risk

779
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 4: and trading up to that pick, but I still think

780
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 4: it can turn out Minnesota's favor.

781
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 2: Lastly, does any of this matter?

782
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: I look at Oklahoma City and they're obviously Oklahoma City,

783
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: But now Jace, I'm looking at Wemby saying, oh, you

784
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: thought this was going to take a minute, Like no,

785
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: we're good, We're ready. And by the way, the twenty

786
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: twenty eight Olympics, France is winning in Los Angeles, so

787
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: good luck. This is not going to get any easier

788
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: the next handful of years. I just look at those

789
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: two teams in particular, not to mention Denver, and there's

790
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: still a guy named Luca in Los Angeles. But it's

791
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: those two teams we know about, okay, see. But the

792
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: Wemby thing, we all knew he was going to be good.

793
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: That wasn't breaking any news. I remember having our buddy

794
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: Sam Gordon on from the Vegas Summer League when his

795
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: team came over to play because there was Wemby hype,

796
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: you know, two julys ago. Pretty scary when you see

797
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: what San Antonio is doing right now and Wemby wants

798
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: all the smoke. You can tell he wants all of it,

799
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: which I love.

800
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I would be surprised if they are

801
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 4: like winning the title this year, but if they made

802
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 4: it to the West finals, that surprised me.

803
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: No.

804
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 4: And the thing about their roster is it's still guard heavy,

805
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 4: but those are really good guards and like still an

806
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 4: Arper's probably better than Castle and Fox and he's a young,

807
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 4: young player. His ceiling is certainly higher than those guys,

808
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 4: and you think he will be when Wenby's true long

809
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 4: term running mate. And so they all the flexibility that

810
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 4: want to move from that kind of I don't know,

811
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 4: stockpile of guards they have and get better on the

812
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 4: wing or whatever. They'll have the ability to do all

813
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 4: of those things and then picks to do it. Hey,

814
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 4: they got that first from the Wolves. Let's then the

815
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 4: future asset for them to work with. So they they

816
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 4: definitely like it's Oklahoma City, it's San Antonio, that's in

817
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 4: the future. But it is one of those things where

818
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 4: it's like, oh, why does it matter, Like their period

819
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 4: is all the time like this, right, Like there was

820
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 4: the same thought with the Warriors at the end of

821
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 4: that decade, and sure, and maybe that's true, maybe you

822
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 4: can't win, but the Raptors won the year when you

823
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 4: would have pegged the Warriors for another one because injuries

824
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 4: happened and things turn. But you can't just kind of

825
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 4: constantly keep waiting in my mind like, hey, you have

826
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 4: to keep trying for it, and yeah, it's just gonna

827
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 4: get harder and harder, and maybe maybe the time to

828
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 4: do was two years ago. That probably was you're gonna

829
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 4: be honest, the best chance to go get it right,

830
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 4: and they didn't do it. But that doesn't mean, you know,

831
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 4: you got to keep pushing and when the next opportunity

832
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 4: presents itself a better cash.

833
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 2: Well, and Ant's going to have a say in it.

834
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: And you just look at his progression and how he's

835
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: played and what he's at it. Of course I say

836
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: it tongue in cheek, but it's going to be. You know,

837
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: when we grew up in this era too, right, we

838
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: with Kevin Garnett, like when you had all those teams

839
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: in the Western Conference. That's just kind of how it is,

840
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: and you gotta do some special stuff to break through.

841
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: Thank you, man, I always appreciate it. Have a great holiday.

842
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: We will see you at Target Center soon.

843
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 4: Looking forward to regards.

844
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 2: You think Sam that is our guy.

845
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: Jase Frederick covers the Wolves and like everything else for

846
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: the Pioneer Press. Like all the Pioneer Press guys, they

847
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: cover everything. That's what I love about all of them. Dane, Andy, Jase,

848
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 1: the whole bit. We appreciate his time. Tonight I read

849
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: his stuff from Wolves Memphis, a game you can hear

850
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: right here on the fan. A little bit later this evening,

851
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: Pat Kessler will join in the five o'clock hour. He's

852
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 1: the one Wednesday regular. I expect my buddy Ryan Burns

853
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: from Gopher Illustrated dot com to join. We'll talk college

854
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 1: football with him, not just Gophers, but Michigan stuff and

855
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: a lot of college stuff as well.

856
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 2: With Burnsey. We expect him in studio when we come back.

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Speaker 1: Rolls along on the fanguards again for Barrero today. Dan

865
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Speaker 1: will be back tomorrow. Appreciate my buddy from Gopher Illustrated,

866
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Speaker 1: Ryan Burns coming in studio to chat with me for

867
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Speaker 1: a little while.

868
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Speaker 2: What's up Burns?

869
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 5: Ey, It's weird to turn on this program and actually

870
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 5: hear hockey talk.

871
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: What do you mean the hockey Ambassador, Dan Barrero, as

872
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: anointed by Craig Leopold ten years ago. I can speak

873
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: for Dan. He would have led the show off today

874
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: with hockey talk. He absolutely would have.

875
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 5: Well, now that you actually go over to Saint Paul

876
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 5: and able to behold that hockey team, look at you?

877
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 2: Are you here to talk? You're in a lead hockey mind.

878
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 2: Many people say that about you. I grew up any dinahs,

879
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: so it's in even did you. This is the first

880
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 2: I've heard of it. Even though I can't skate, it's

881
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 2: in my blood. You know, I can't skate at all. Literally, Okay,

882
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 2: Mason West, we should do yeah, exactly, we should do

883
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 2: a bit where I go skating at Braemar.

884
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: It would be terrible. I'd probably hurt myself. And I'm

885
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: a hockey dad now, so I feel like I'm in

886
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: the community. And it was I felt bad for my

887
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: son though, when a couple of weeks ago we had

888
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: a little mite tournament and the dads on the other

889
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: team were Zach Parizi, Ryan Suitor, Devin dub Nick, Alex Goligowski,

890
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: Keith Ballard and like four other guys that played Division

891
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: one hockey and then my son's out there with a

892
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: father who can't skate. I'm just super proud of him

893
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: that he's on the same ice as those guys doing it.

894
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 2: You're doing it, buddy, you're doing it. Other than that,

895
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 2: just broke over here.

896
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: I can't regulate you look over and to go, okay,

897
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: all right, those that team okay, all right, good luck guys.

898
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: Go get them. Yeah. Other than that, how was the game, missus? Like?

899
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 2: It was a good game? Yeah, sure, fourteen to one.

900
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 2: No it was not.

901
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not going to go to sports engine

902
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 1: and pull up the score, but it was a nice

903
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: game between the two teams.

904
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:11,919
Speaker 2: It was great.

905
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: It was fun. But that's what he's up against, believe

906
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: it or not. I want to talk Twins with you

907
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: to start out, oh boy, because you are other than Grim,

908
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,720
Speaker 1: the only guy I know that just like still rides

909
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: or dies with baseball all the time. And I'm curious

910
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: if you are moved at all by the breaking news

911
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: from really yesterday the news was broken, and then today

912
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: the Twins made it official that we know who the

913
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: new minority partners are, and one of them, speaking of hockey,

914
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: is Craig Leopold. Wild Owners jumping in to invest some

915
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: of his money, I guess, and we'll see what that means.

916
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: Maybe they partner on some kind of regional TV deal

917
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: that can make everybody rich and all of those things.

918
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 2: And we certainly know Craig Leopold.

919
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 1: Is not afraid to spend money or take big swings,

920
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: so I hope his influence makes it to the corner office.

921
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 2: But we've got a new poll Ad in charge. I

922
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 2: didn't even know there was a Tom Polead.

923
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: We all know about Joe add but apparently Joe is

924
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: taking a back seat and it's Tom Polead as a

925
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:05,479
Speaker 1: Twins roube.

926
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: Are you inspired? Are you moved?

927
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 4: Well?

928
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 5: I even saw that Aaron Gleman asked the new poll

929
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 5: Ad brother here, how are what's the direction of the franchise?

930
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 5: Because they were talking today with the media. Yes, and

931
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 5: it doesn't sound awfully inspiring. But I would have paid

932
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 5: to have been in the room a fly on the

933
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 5: wall for when the pole Ad family looked at Joe

934
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 5: and said, we're going to make someone else the polarizing

935
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 5: figure in this market, because as someone who watches one

936
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 5: hundred and forty plus Twins games, is maybe the only

937
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 5: thirty three year old in the market that cares about

938
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 5: baseball the way that I do.

939
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:39,919
Speaker 2: A thirty three.

940
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just want to see them actually attempt to

941
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 5: feel the competitive team. And I know you want to

942
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 5: go have me go through the Josh Bell splits and

943
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 5: how they've actually got a first basement that's not going

944
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 5: to be Cody Clemens anymore, which on inspiring for that

945
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 5: or even now that they're hypothetically going to hold onto

946
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 5: Joe Ryan, Byron Buxton and these other guys. I just

947
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 5: want to see them payroll that's anything resembling one hundred

948
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 5: and I think even for this market and this cat

949
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 5: for Twins fans, can we see it be anywhere near

950
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 5: one hundred and forty million. And that's not even good,

951
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 5: by the way, that's bottom third of Major League Baseball.

952
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 5: But it is at least interesting to see the local

953
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 5: flavor of the new ownership group and the hope that

954
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 5: being when the Walker Jenkins and the Emmanuel Rodriguez Is

955
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 5: and these younger guys actually can give a fan base

956
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 5: hope that you'll actually throw money into it and not

957
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 5: have the Blue Jays fiasco of twenty twenty three all

958
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 5: over again, which I did hear the new Pole at

959
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 5: say they screwed that up, which, look, they actually took

960
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 5: accountability for something in this market. What a novel concept.

961
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 5: But yeah, it's God you give me.

962
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: I know, I knew it would I knew, well, that's

963
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 1: part of the reason why I wanted to be end too.

964
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: Here's glean and you mentioned it his tweet. I asked

965
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: Tom Pollett about his repeated use of the word relentless

966
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: in regard to winning and how that can square how

967
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: he can square that with dramatically decreased payrolls over the

968
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: past several years and a current payroll around one hundred

969
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: million dollars. Here's the response. I think the one that

970
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: you're talking about, yep. I don't think that as the

971
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: landscape what I see right now that we should put

972
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: a significant investment into the team of fifty or sixty

973
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: million dollars. I think Gleaman rights on top of their

974
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 1: current one hundred million dollar payroll, but I don't think

975
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: we're far off from that. I think the hard work

976
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: in front of us is getting people and fans to

977
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: buy into to believe we are committed to a championship

978
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: caliber investment and team. I would tell you that Rome

979
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: wasn't built in a day. It's not just the players

980
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: on the field that will make us champions, it's the

981
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: organization in its entirety.

982
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 5: I feel like I'm listening to them a bunch of

983
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 5: corporate jargon. Thereafter, we're not going to throw fifty or

984
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 5: sixty million at our one hundred million dollar payroll.

985
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 2: Now, what do you think of this?

986
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 4: Though?

987
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: He calls himself because Gleaman does, then says, I asked

988
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 1: Tom poll Out if he's worried the Twins are taking

989
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: a half measure by keeping star players without supporting them

990
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: by increasing the payroll to add impact talent to the roster.

991
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: Pull That admitted it's a worry and called himself a

992
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: go big or go home guy.

993
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 2: Here's the quote. I worry about it.

994
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: Half measures are not good, and you'll probably get to

995
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,439
Speaker 1: know me over time. I'm not a half measured guy.

996
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: I'm a go big or go home guy. But again,

997
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: to your point, how do we thread the needle here

998
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: and do what's in the best interest of the fan base.

999
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: I think he's already a better talker than Joe. I

1000
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: know that's a low bar. It's like a Ziggi and

1001
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: Mark Wilf's situation but I your mind doesn't seem as open.

1002
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: Have you just been beaten down?

1003
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 5: Here's what I would say in this market. We got

1004
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 5: brettsky Garren, who just took a big swing. Your guy Connolly,

1005
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 5: who all he does is take big swings.

1006
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 4: Yep.

1007
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 5: And I learned at a young age from Oakdale, Minnesota

1008
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 5: here that I hear what you say and I trust

1009
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 5: what you do.

1010
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 2: So I hear these.

1011
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 5: Words, but I want to see them actually go out

1012
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 5: and spend ten million dollars on a free agent or

1013
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 5: I don't know, extend Joe Ryan past what he's over

1014
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 5: here for the next couple of years, actually do something

1015
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 5: that would inspire confidence in a fan base that you

1016
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 5: finally win a playoff series for the.

1017
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 2: First time in twenty twenty three. Then what do you do.

1018
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 5: You right size the payroll and then you trade Korea

1019
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,959
Speaker 5: for arguably the worst Major league excuse me, minor league

1020
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 5: player you've ever heard.

1021
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 2: Of in your entire life. Yeah, not a good name,

1022
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 2: just as a slap in the face.

1023
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 5: So it's encouraging words, but let's see the actions here

1024
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 5: in the next twelve eighteen twenty four months.

1025
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: Well, and I was texting with somebody yesterday and I

1026
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: started the show with it that it's good that they

1027
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: have this money, right, this new infusion of cash, and

1028
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: it's essentially going to, you know, wipe out the five

1029
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: hundred million dollar debt. And I believe them that they

1030
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: have that kind of debt, that they've lost that kind

1031
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: of money from COVID and.

1032
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 2: Then just bad baseball. I believe them that they have that.

1033
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: However, the way it was framed yesterday and kind of

1034
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: the stories like I and Paula did say today, Tom

1035
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: now and again, I'm gonna have to get used to

1036
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 1: Tom Polad after Joe forever. Yeah, the uh that they're

1037
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: in it for the long haul, because the skeptic in

1038
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,720
Speaker 1: me says, you're going to run this thing lean until

1039
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 1: the new CBA's figured out and the new TV deals

1040
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: figured out. We're like twenty twenty seven, twenty nine for

1041
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: all that, and you're gonna run a lean and not

1042
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: have a bunch of debt and then have a very

1043
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: clean asset to go sell to somebody else in that time.

1044
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: It is gonna the way you phrase it is perfect.

1045
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: They need a radical shift in action, yes, to get

1046
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: people to buy into them at that point one hundred.

1047
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 5: Percent and that's where when you look at the roster construction,

1048
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 5: you have a bunch of young pitching outside of Pablo Lopez.

1049
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 5: You've got guys under under control for quite a long time.

1050
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 5: Yet like and if you need this this farm system.

1051
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 5: We continue to hear about that. They continue to tout

1052
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 5: that's allegedly top five in baseball with guys like I said,

1053
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 5: Walker Jenkins, Emanuel Rodriguez, can Zebbie Matthews take the next

1054
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 5: step and.

1055
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 2: By then hopefully these guys are.

1056
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 5: Taking those steps. And then if you do have a

1057
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 5: clean books going forward there and the CBA has figured

1058
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 5: out and the TV situation is figured out, then go add.

1059
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 2: Pieces around them.

1060
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 5: But even hearing again the quote he gave Gleaming about, well,

1061
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 5: I hope people realize it. One hundred million dollar payroll

1062
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 5: right now is bottom five in baseball. That is horrendous.

1063
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 5: And like three of them are teams.

1064
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: The three teams below them are either playing in minor

1065
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: league stadiums or have no interest in doing anything exactly.

1066
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: We're talking like thirty, forty fifty sixty million dollars payrolls.

1067
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 5: Which is why what sense does it make to have

1068
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,479
Speaker 5: Pablo Lopez on the roster for twenty million, or even

1069
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 5: why Buston had been hypothetically saying, well, if you're just

1070
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 5: going to tear this whole thing down, I know I

1071
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 5: got the no trade clause, but I don't want to

1072
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 5: be a part of that if we're really going to

1073
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 5: strip this thing down to the studs. So I'm optimistic

1074
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 5: that the new pole ad brother Well and this new

1075
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 5: ownership group can give direction and actual hope to a

1076
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 5: Twins fan base that again, you have the moment that

1077
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 5: you've been waiting for for a long time in twenty

1078
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 5: twenty three where you finally beat the Blue Jays and

1079
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Speaker 5: you win a playoff series.

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Speaker 2: It was electric, it was and then what you decide

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Speaker 2: to do? You did nothing? Yeah, you get me a.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe you did this to me.

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Speaker 1: Why don't you write for Twins Daily on top of

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Speaker 1: your Gofer illustrat I mean, if you and Bonus are tight.

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Speaker 1: Bonus listens to the Parents podcast. We talked about it,

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Speaker 1: so does Gleaming. They always text and talk to us

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Speaker 1: about it all the time. Why are you writing something

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Speaker 1: for Twins Daily during the summer. You should be well.

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Speaker 5: I did run into a Bonus out at the Great

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Speaker 5: Duck Deck and we shared a beverager two.

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Speaker 2: But again it is weird. Weird. Yeah, of all places

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Speaker 2: you found him there. Wow.

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Speaker 5: Again it's optimistically it has the Twins person in me

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Speaker 5: optimistic about them. But even hearing those quotes today, like.

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Speaker 2: Why are we goinging?

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Speaker 5: Like I remember last April, the Twins are playing the

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Speaker 5: White Sox and I looked at my wife and I said,

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Speaker 5: I can sit behind. I literally sat on top of

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Speaker 5: the White Sox dugout first row for twenty bucks off

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Speaker 5: stub up at like a three pm purchase.

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Speaker 2: Well that's on you. Well, that's great, that's on you

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Speaker 2: for having interest in that. But it's just like, I.

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Speaker 5: Want people to care about the Twins again, but I

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Speaker 5: get why no one does. I get it, Trust me,

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Speaker 5: I do.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, I appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: If you want to talk to Twins Daily's Ryan Burns,

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Speaker 1: I hit the bratch on Brian Kfe in text line

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Speaker 1: six four six eighty six. We will talk some go

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Speaker 1: for football with him'll talk some college football with him,

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Speaker 1: and we'll talk to Michigan with him, because we talked

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Speaker 1: a lot about that on pair and of spared this week,

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Speaker 1: and that story obviously has taken a lot of different turns.

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Speaker 1: Burnsey hanging out for the next couple of segments.

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Speaker 2: More with him when we