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Speaker 2: Coming up at three lots of college hoops today, We're

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Speaker 2: gonna talk to James Orpene in the five o'clock hour.

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Speaker 2: Free agency is almost here. We expect the Bengals to

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Speaker 2: be busy. They have to be busy, so we'll kind

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Speaker 2: of get an overview of free agency before it starts

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Speaker 2: in the five o'clock hour with James. There is a

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Speaker 2: ton of ground to cover. We are gonna begin, unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: by talking about Hunter Green. Hunter Green is gonna go

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Speaker 2: see two different doctors because he's got elbow soreness. So

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Speaker 2: yet again we are talking about Hunter Green and an injury.

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Speaker 2: And I don't say that because injury issues are a

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Speaker 2: character flaw. They're not. But this is unfortunately part of

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Speaker 2: the Hunter Green story. Now let's start with the baseball

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Speaker 2: part of this, right, The Reds have a deep starting rotation.

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Speaker 2: When you have the candidates to be the fifth starter

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Speaker 2: that include Chase Burns, Rhet Louder, Brandon Williamson, that's a

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Speaker 2: really good place to be. They are deep. There are

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Speaker 2: a lot of teams who hope to make the postseason

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Speaker 2: who their third, fourth, and fifth starters are going to be.

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Speaker 2: The Reds, there's only been one question that speaks to

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Speaker 2: and we are. I don't think any of us want

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Speaker 2: and fifth spots in the starting rotation. Yes, the red

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Speaker 2: have to go right. They need collectively better health, and

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Speaker 2: you know, maybe Chase Burns ends up having a Rookie

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Speaker 2: it's not as good without Hunter Green. There's also like

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Speaker 2: the uncertain part of this. We're gonna talk with one

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Speaker 2: He was gonna throw today. He's not throwing today. He's

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Speaker 2: It stinks for Hunter Green. Like I'm a big Hunter

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Speaker 2: unfortunately he's often not healthy. We love Hunter Green like

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Speaker 2: But like, we're also talking about the possibility and you

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Speaker 2: all the time that he's missed. With Hunter Green, there's

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Speaker 2: He's been pushing through the pain in September. Did the

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Speaker 2: play tonight with a road game against Oakland. That game

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Speaker 2: is gonna tip off at seven pm. Pre game on

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Speaker 2: yours for life kelseyshev dot Com. The Reds are playing

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Speaker 2: the Cuban team from the World Baseball Classic. I could

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Speaker 2: tell you this, it is too nothing. Cincinnati, as the Reds,

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Speaker 2: who are the road team today, are getting set to

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Speaker 2: the top of the third inning. I am looking for

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Speaker 2: details on this game. Now. It's bad enough that, like

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Speaker 2: most of us have no idea how we can watch

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Speaker 2: Reds games this year, but at the very least, when

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Speaker 2: I go to MLB dot com and I see all

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Speaker 2: the scores, Yankees and Red Sox are playing Cubs, and

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Speaker 2: Brewers are playing Chinese, Taipei is playing Australia in wbcpool play.

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Speaker 2: So I wanted to get a sense of what's going

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Speaker 2: on in the Reds game against Cuba, and I click

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Speaker 2: on Game Day, which typically brings up the box score,

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Speaker 2: and when I click on it, oof, we did not

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Speaker 2: find the page you were looking for. Did you type

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Speaker 2: the link correctly? Like I clicked on it? Off your site? Man,

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Speaker 2: Just imagine what all of this is gonna be like

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Speaker 2: once we have a lockout and the owners pass the

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Speaker 2: savings along to their employees that they fire. It's two nothing.

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Speaker 2: Reds are leading Cuba third inning, no remote idea. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I've been in here doing the show and busy focusing

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Speaker 2: on stuff, but they're winning the game to nothing. While

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Speaker 2: Hunter Green tries to figure out what's up with his elbow.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of injuries. Tough one last night for Trey Carrol.

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Speaker 2: Xavier loses to a Seaton Hall. By the way, that

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Speaker 2: outcome did not help the Bearcats last night, x you

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Speaker 2: losing on a senior night. Meanwhile, NKU getting set to play.

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Speaker 2: Rick Boring will talk about both with US next on

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Speaker 2: This is ESPN fifteen thirty on oeger Rick Browing joins

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Speaker 2: us on Wednesday to talk Xavier and NKU basketball. The

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Speaker 2: Norris are getting said for Horizon League play against Oakland.

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Speaker 2: That game is going to be on Fox Sports thirteen sixty.

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Speaker 2: Rick's website is Musketeer Report dot com all things Xavier basketball,

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Speaker 2: the Muskies losing at home last night to Seaton Hall

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Speaker 2: on Senior Night, night mare by the Trey Carroll injury.

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Speaker 2: It's Ricket's good to have you. What's going on?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 8: Not a lot?

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Speaker 9: Just sitting up here at the Marriotta of Troy, Michigan, though,

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Speaker 9: How are you?

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Speaker 2: How's Troy Michigan?

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Speaker 9: I was just telling Tarry normally I only see it

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Speaker 9: when it's like negative ten degrees and horrible.

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Speaker 10: So forty and Sonny isn't bad?

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Speaker 2: Very good. Well, it'll give you a lot of time

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Speaker 2: up there in Michigan to look at the Horizon League

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Speaker 2: bracket and figure out how this tournament works. And we'll

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Speaker 2: get to that a little bit later on. Is there

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Speaker 2: any sort of update on Trey Carroll after last night?

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Speaker 10: I have not heard any update yet on Trey.

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Speaker 9: But you know, obviously that's that's a situation where it

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Speaker 9: didn't look good what we saw after the game, the

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Speaker 9: way he was moving and the way he was sort

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Speaker 9: of motioning to people and talking about it. So I'm

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Speaker 9: not sure if he's going to be able to play

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Speaker 9: in that last game or not.

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Speaker 2: That's a bummer man. Because he has a season where

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Speaker 2: he goes into it leading the Big easton score. He's

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Speaker 2: etched his name into Musketeer lore with how he played

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Speaker 2: against UC. He has been a bright spot during what

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Speaker 2: has been at times a dismal season for the Musketeers.

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Speaker 2: And in year one of Richard Patino, it's his last

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Speaker 2: game at home in his Xavier uniform. For it to

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Speaker 2: go down the way it did, I don't care who

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Speaker 2: you root for. That's that's a tough bill to swallow,

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Speaker 2: and I'm sure it is for him and his teammates.

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Speaker 10: No question.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I think for a guy who seems to

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Speaker 9: really buy into that type of stuff.

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Speaker 10: And when I say that type of stuff.

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Speaker 9: I mean being a part of the place you're at

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Speaker 9: and just being present where your feet are at the moment.

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Speaker 10: You know, he loved his time at Florida Atlantic.

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Speaker 9: He talked a lot about that that he didn't even

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Speaker 9: want to leave Florida Atlantic. I think the opportunity what

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Speaker 9: he was getting paid to come to Xavier for one

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Speaker 9: year was too good for him to pass up. And

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Speaker 9: in his one year at Xavier, he made this place home,

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Speaker 9: and he made all the fans and the people around

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Speaker 9: the program love him here, and he really appreciated his

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Speaker 9: time here.

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Speaker 10: And obviously he performed at a.

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Speaker 9: Level that I don't think anyone knew he was capable

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Speaker 9: of when Xavier first signed him in the transfer portal

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Speaker 9: last year, because that's what this team needed out of

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Speaker 9: him this year. And obviously they didn't have the season

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Speaker 9: they wanted or the record they wanted, but there's no

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Speaker 9: doubt that his his season, his performance on the offensive

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Speaker 9: end was a bright spot and he definitely made his

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Speaker 9: impact in his short time here. And so it's a

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Speaker 9: bummer that he didn't get to go out and kind

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Speaker 9: of the proper way with the fan base.

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Speaker 2: You know, obviously the question become as well, how do

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Speaker 2: you beat Villanova on the road without him? I'm a

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Speaker 2: little bit more focused on that first game in the

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Speaker 2: Big East Tournament. I don't know that anybody is going

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Speaker 2: to talk themselves into Xavier making a deep run of

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Speaker 2: Medison Square Garden, but it would be cool to win

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Speaker 2: that first game. How much does that compromise without Trey Carroll,

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Speaker 2: assuming if we do for a second that he won't

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Speaker 2: be available.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, if he's not available, it becomes really difficult.

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Speaker 9: I think Xavier too to find enough offense given that

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Speaker 9: they're they're pretty poor defense, and they've really dropped off

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Speaker 9: defensively in the latter part of the season here. They've

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Speaker 9: dropped like fifty spots and Ken Palm's defensive efficiency rankings

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Speaker 9: over the last month and a half two months of

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Speaker 9: the season here, So they're really struggling on that end.

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Speaker 10: And if you lose your top.

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Speaker 9: Score and really your only real playmaker, I mean, I

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Speaker 9: guess we can say Roddy Anderson does some playmaking for

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Speaker 9: them as well, but they don't have much to rely on.

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Speaker 9: So it's gonna really come down to slinging the ball

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Speaker 9: around the perimeter and firing threes from guys like Giovan

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Speaker 9: Malisovich and Malik Messina more.

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Speaker 2: I think has Richard Patino done enough to quiet down

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Speaker 2: sufficiently the rumors of him going to Providence?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I think he did a good job

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Speaker 9: of handling it publicly as best he could on his

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Speaker 9: radio show and everything like that. But I think you

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Speaker 9: and I talked about it last weekend. At the end

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Speaker 9: of the day, I think it was really always a

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Speaker 9: non starter. Because Xavier has him signed to a big buyout,

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Speaker 9: so you know, it's pretty easy for the hard part

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Speaker 9: of it for him is to address the rumors when

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Speaker 9: Kim hasn't been fired yet.

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Speaker 10: That's an awkward position to be in as a head coach.

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Speaker 9: But from Richard Patino's perspective, I think it's pretty easy

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Speaker 9: for him to say, yes, I'm going to be back

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Speaker 9: at Xavier for the next few years at least because

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Speaker 9: he is coming off a huge buy or he has

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Speaker 9: a huge buyout right now after his first season, and

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Speaker 9: so I just don't think there was really any chance

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Speaker 9: of him leaving, whether he wanted to or not. And again,

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Speaker 9: he's said multiple times that he's not interested in leaving.

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Speaker 9: And I think fans are skeptical whenever from coaching at

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Speaker 9: this point because they've seen it happen before, so it

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Speaker 9: could be hard to trust when it comes to that stuff.

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Speaker 9: But I'm not sure it really mattered in this case

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Speaker 9: because I don't think there's really an option for him.

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Speaker 9: I don't think another school could afford to pay that

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Speaker 9: buyout right now.

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Speaker 2: Follow Rick at Rick Brooring Musketeer Report dot Com is

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Speaker 2: the website you'll hear him tonight on Fox Sports thirteen

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Speaker 2: sixty NKU and Oakland Road game for the Norse in

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Speaker 2: the Horizon League Tournament. What do they have to do

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Speaker 2: to pull off the victory and advance to that dump

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Speaker 2: in Indy that the rest of the Horizon League tournament

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Speaker 2: has played.

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 9: The biggest thing with this Oakland game is their point

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Speaker 9: guard Brody Robinson, who's under six foot He's like five ten,

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Speaker 9: one hundred and fifty pounds mo. He has scored sixteen

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Speaker 9: points and twenty one points in the two games against

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Speaker 9: NKU this season without really doing a great job against their.

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Speaker 10: Defense in terms of like making shots or beating them.

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Speaker 9: What he does do a great job of is flailing

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Speaker 9: his arms, jerking his head back, flopping all over the court,

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Speaker 9: and manipulating the officials into making calls and sending him

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Speaker 9: to the free throw line. The last time the two

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Speaker 9: teams played, he shot eleven free throws, and in the

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Speaker 9: first meeting he was a perfect eight for eight at

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Speaker 9: the free throw line. So that's what's really led to

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Speaker 9: his big offensive performances.

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Speaker 10: I think there's two things NK.

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Speaker 9: You need to do a great job of not putting

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Speaker 9: themselves in position to send them to the free throw line,

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Speaker 9: don't foul him as much as they can. And I

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Speaker 9: think you need some help from the officials too in

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Speaker 9: this game. Like the thriving League, officials can't be manipulated,

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Speaker 9: and the way they have been by Brody Robinson a

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Speaker 9: lot of times this year when they're not, Oakland isn't

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Speaker 9: nearly as good. And we saw that down the stretch

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Speaker 9: as they lost a bunch of games, a lot of

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Speaker 9: them where he wasn't shooting a lot of free throws.

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Speaker 10: So I think that's a huge key in the game.

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Speaker 9: But from an NKU perspective, on their end, when they're

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Speaker 9: playing offense, I think you're gonna have to make some

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Speaker 9: outside shots. Oakland plays that laid back zone where they

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Speaker 9: keep it tight and they kind of just dare you

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Speaker 9: to shoot from the perimeter. And in that last game, NK,

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Speaker 9: you did not shoot it well up there at Oakland,

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Speaker 9: So they're going to try their best to do it

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Speaker 9: again here tonight. I think if they're able to knock

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Speaker 9: in a few threes early, that'll not only call them

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Speaker 9: some nerves, but also soften up that Oakland defense a

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Speaker 9: little bit.

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Speaker 2: Right State, obviously, the top seed beat the Norse by

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Speaker 2: a point in the regular season finale, so they're considered

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Speaker 2: the favorite. How wide open, if at all, is the

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Speaker 2: Horizon League Tournament.

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Speaker 9: I think, you know, don't get me wrong, right, State's

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Speaker 9: been really good this year. They deserve to be viewed

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Speaker 9: as the favorite to win it, and I think they'd

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Speaker 9: be a worthy champion. I'm not at all saying that

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Speaker 9: they can't win it, but I do think when you

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Speaker 9: look at their team, they have a lot of young

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Speaker 9: guys that they're relying on, so this is their first

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Speaker 9: opportunity to play in this type of environment, and conference

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Speaker 9: tournaments are always wonky and difficult, and it's you talked

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Speaker 9: about the interesting bracket format, but you have interesting turnarounds.

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Speaker 9: You're playing in that weird environment out of the Indiana

650
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Speaker 9: State Fairgrounds, and there are a bunch of other teams

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Speaker 9: that have played them tough this year and even beaten them.

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Speaker 10: So they're by no.

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Speaker 9: Means heads and shoulders above the rest of the conference.

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Speaker 9: And I think, especially when you look at like the

655
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Speaker 9: Ken Palm rankings, how close some of these teams are.

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Speaker 10: I think there's.

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Speaker 9: Still at least you know, four teams, five teams that

658
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Speaker 9: are all dangerous enough to win it, and I think,

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Speaker 9: you know, NKU probably has a tough claim for that

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Speaker 9: right now, just because they haven't been as consistent throughout

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Speaker 9: the course of the season as those other teams have

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Speaker 9: in the top of the conference, and they had to

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Speaker 9: go on the road here to play their first round game.

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Speaker 9: But when they've played their best, I think we even

665
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Speaker 9: saw that in the first half against Right State in

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Speaker 9: the final regular season game. They had them down by

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Speaker 9: twenty points. You know, like they're such a dangerous team

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Speaker 9: with the way they score in transition that I don't

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Speaker 9: think they're going into go into any game lacking confidence

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Speaker 9: here in the postseason.

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Speaker 2: Have a great call tonight. I hope we're talking to

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Speaker 2: you next week from Indianapolis, and thank you as always,

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Speaker 2: enjoy We'll talk to you.

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Speaker 10: Soon me Tooim out, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Rick Browing, and tonight, sitting next to the great Jim

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Speaker 2: Kelch NKU at Oakland Horizon League Tournament first round tip

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Speaker 2: off at seven on Fox Sports thirteen sixty. We'll talk

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Speaker 2: a little FC Cincinnati with Jake Zivin from Apple TV

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Speaker 2: and doctor Jonathan Slaughter is gonna tell us what we

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Speaker 2: should fear what we should know about Hunter Green's elbow issue. Plus,

682
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Speaker 2: we're gonna chat with the author of the best sports

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Speaker 2: book I have read so far this year in the

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Speaker 2: four o'clock hour on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 1: Thirty at Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: Here we go. It's five minutes after four. This is

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen Moeger, Thank you so much for listening today.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna go and chat with an expert. There's lots

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Speaker 2: of Hunter Green conjecture out there. Let's talk with a

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Speaker 2: doctor about his elbow. We'll do that with our guy,

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Speaker 2: doctor John Slaughter from Orthosincy. In fifteen minutes. FC Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: is coming off a frustrating performance against Minnesota the other night.

693
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Speaker 2: A key mistake leads to a goal on a free kick,

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Speaker 2: A whole bunch of scoring opportunities go by the wayside.

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Speaker 2: The Orange and Blue back at home on Saturday for

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Speaker 2: a tilt against Toronto. A jig Zivin has the call

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Speaker 2: Apple TV and always kind enough to join us whenever

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Speaker 2: we ask. It is awesome to have you, Jake.

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Speaker 8: How are you no doing great?

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Speaker 11: It's nice to be with you for the first time

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Speaker 11: in twenty twenty six. Can't wait to get to Cincinnati

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Speaker 11: this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, it's awesome to have you. As always, we

704
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Speaker 2: love having you. What have you seen from the Orange

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Speaker 2: and Blue. Let's focus on the two MLS Pacific matches.

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Speaker 2: The win at home over Atlanta, the lost of Minnesota,

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Speaker 2: a frustrating night because they had their scoring chances. Your

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Speaker 2: takeaways from the first two games or one?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think the team needs a vander Right to

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Speaker 11: be at its best.

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Speaker 3: That's that's an obvious thing.

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Speaker 11: He's one of the best players in the league. They

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Speaker 11: had chances against Minnesota. Drake Calendar had a good game.

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Speaker 11: But even you know, looking at the kind of the

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Speaker 11: advanced analytics, the expected goals number, which is a staaten

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Speaker 11: in soccer, used to try to describe kind of a

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Speaker 11: quality of chance in the team creates threat a game,

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Speaker 11: it was pretty low. It was just about one expected goal.

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Speaker 11: Minnesota was close to three. That probably watching the game,

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Speaker 11: I was surprised it was that big of a discrepancy.

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Speaker 11: But in the end it probably accurately describes Cincinnati kind

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Speaker 11: of needing a vander out there, needing that magic man

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Speaker 11: to help create to find that moment. And I think

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Speaker 11: this club has been so used to playing games like

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Speaker 11: this over the past several seasons. They're tight games, they

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Speaker 11: keep it close. It's a one goal game, and whether

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Speaker 11: Lucho Acosta several years ago or Vander last year and

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Speaker 11: now eventually into this year when he comes back, they

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Speaker 11: have that match winner and they're the ones who win

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Speaker 11: the game one nil. Without Evander, it felt like that

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Speaker 11: was lacking for Cincinnati. Minnesota found the goal and they lost.

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Speaker 11: I agree with you that you got to look at

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Speaker 11: the MLS games, the CONCACAT Champions Cup, that was an

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Speaker 11: opponent that was just extremely outmatched by Cincinnati. Night score

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Speaker 11: lines good to get confidence, not anything to extrapolate on

736
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Speaker 11: going forward, I think, but right now right that the

737
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Speaker 11: team I think has got to kind of figure out

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Speaker 11: if Evander are just kind of how to do it

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Speaker 11: without Evander. It doesn't sound like the injury is serious,

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Speaker 11: which is great, but there's gonna be times throughout this

741
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Speaker 11: year they're gonna have to play without him and they're gonna

742
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Speaker 11: have to figure out a way to be threatening about

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Speaker 11: one of the best players in the league.

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Speaker 2: Jake Gzibvn is with us some Apple TV. By the way,

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Speaker 2: I may have mentioned before I think I said that

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Speaker 2: the game was going to be on Saturday's actually a

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Speaker 2: Sunday game this week n Cincinnati Sunday Night. Yeah, so

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Speaker 2: Sunday Night, Saturn Night soccer, a little bit of the

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Speaker 2: national spotlight on the Orange Blue as they host Toronto.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned, you know, the other guys, right, the scoring

751
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Speaker 2: without a Vander, and that's that's been a theme throughout

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Speaker 2: the course of the offseason. Obviously you want him, and

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Speaker 2: obviously you know we're all breathing a sigh of relief

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Speaker 2: that it feels like the injury is not that serious.

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Speaker 2: But there have been times, whether it was with Lucho

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Speaker 2: before that went sideways or Evander last year, where it

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Speaker 2: felt like the offensive load was a little bit too

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Speaker 2: dependent on both guys, And so I do think it's

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Speaker 2: an interesting early season test, one that they frankly didn't

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Speaker 2: pass this past week, to see if they can generate

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Speaker 2: more offense just so maybe when Evander comes back, they

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Speaker 2: don't need him to do nearly as much heavy lifting.

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Speaker 2: Would you agree?

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Speaker 8: Absolutely?

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Speaker 11: And I think there, you know, I get to send

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Speaker 11: We were there a lot at the end of last year,

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Speaker 11: and I have to sense there's some frustration in the

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Speaker 11: fan base and the supporter group over you know, maybe

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Speaker 11: this team not taking another step of being this kind

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Speaker 11: of dominant team that can win.

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Speaker 3: Games three nil, four nail.

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Speaker 11: And I was surprised because, look, no team has had

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Speaker 11: more success in the regular season the last three years

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Speaker 11: combined than FC Cincinnati. They won a Supporter Shield, they

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Speaker 11: have been at the top of the Eastern Conference every year. Yes,

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Speaker 11: it's gotten into the playoffs and they haven't quite gotten

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Speaker 11: over that hill. Same thing in the Open Cup in

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Speaker 11: twenty twenty three when they went on a great run.

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Speaker 11: But still it has been a team that has been

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Speaker 11: the most exemplary week to week consistent success as far

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Speaker 11: as winning games of any team.

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Speaker 3: In the league over the past three years.

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Speaker 11: But it still felt like there's kind of this anxiety

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Speaker 11: of taking the next step. And I think what your

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00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,240
Speaker 11: question kind of hits on that, because it does feel

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Speaker 11: like the way that they have gotten wins, that they've

787
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Speaker 11: even gotten goals is through kind of individual moments of

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Speaker 11: brilliance from really special players.

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Speaker 3: In this game, that is frequently the difference.

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Speaker 11: But it also means if you get to the playoffs

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Speaker 11: and your main guy isn't doing it, which we saw

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Speaker 11: last year with Evander in the playoffs, what's the plan?

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Speaker 11: How do you get wins if Evander's not going to

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Speaker 11: create one or two special moments of the game to

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Speaker 11: score goals.

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Speaker 8: So absolutely, I think it's.

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Speaker 11: A big question for Essie Cincinnati and for Pat Noonan.

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Speaker 11: Not being said, you got to assume this team at

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Speaker 11: its best is going to have a Vander on the field, right,

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Speaker 11: And so I think when you're talking about Evander being

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Speaker 11: on the field, it's how do him and Kevin Dank

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Speaker 11: create a connection communially? See it last year, right, they

803
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Speaker 11: east got their goals, but rarely was it Evander two Denke.

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Speaker 11: And that's something Their connection, their ability to play together,

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Speaker 11: I think has got to be kind of priority number

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Speaker 11: one for Esssee Cincinnati throughout this season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's it's interesting because I felt like

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00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 2: last season they're both remarkable individual players, but I felt

809
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 2: like each guy was at times last year. And this

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00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 2: is no knock on either one of them individually, but

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Speaker 2: it fell at times last year like both were on

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Speaker 2: an island.

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Speaker 11: Yes, I agree, I agree, and and look, it's you

814
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Speaker 11: know that can be be hard. It is a game

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Speaker 11: where sometimes two great players don't always mesh in their

816
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 11: skill sets and the way they see the game, in

817
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Speaker 11: the way they.

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Speaker 3: Want to play the game.

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Speaker 8: Sometimes it works great.

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Speaker 11: And players seem to have this kind of uh you know,

821
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 11: kind of telepathic uh connection with each other out of nowhere,

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Speaker 11: and they gel immediately if Anther Kevin, they don't they

823
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 11: didn't have that, right like, they don't have that innately.

824
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Speaker 11: It didn't happen right away, but as something that can

825
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 11: still come with time, and you would think in year

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Speaker 11: two with a full preseason, and they had a full

827
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Speaker 11: preseason last year for the most part as well, you

828
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Speaker 11: know that that Pat Newton and the coaching staff can

829
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 11: can get that out of them, and uh, that's got

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Speaker 11: to be the hope, right And I think that is

831
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Speaker 11: kind of Cincinnati's path to getting over that hill, is

832
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Speaker 11: getting these two guys to really connect better on the field, uh,

833
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 11: and then and they become a team that can really overwhelm

834
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Speaker 11: everybody because I think defensively, there's not a worry even

835
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Speaker 11: with Matt and the Osga still working his way back

836
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Speaker 11: from injury. You know, they meet mattany Osga, I think

837
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Speaker 11: to be at his to be at their best, they

838
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 11: need Matt in the OSGA. But it's still a very

839
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 11: good defensive team even without him, and I think it's

840
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Speaker 11: about figuring out that attack and getting everybody connected and

841
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Speaker 11: on the same page.

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Speaker 2: Very early on. But how do you break down the

843
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Speaker 2: Eastern Conference.

844
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Miami.

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Speaker 11: It's the favorites, right, even though they lost opening week

846
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Speaker 11: in the Coliseum and then they were down two mil

847
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Speaker 11: at halftime in Orlando.

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Speaker 3: We were doing that game last week. It was Sunday

849
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Speaker 3: Night soccer.

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Speaker 11: Last week, they're four goals in the second half at

851
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Speaker 11: their rivals. Messy's celebrating into their supporters section, asking the

852
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Speaker 11: Orlando bench if they want his autographs. I mean, they

853
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,720
Speaker 11: just flipped that switch at halftime, and you're like, yep, okay.

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Speaker 8: This team is the favorites.

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Speaker 11: It's what they thought, It's what everybody thought they would

856
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 11: be with all the talent they have, So for sure

857
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 11: they're going to be the favorites. And then Cincinnati have

858
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 11: to be right there behind them. Philadelphia, last year Supporter

859
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 11: Shield winners, have gotten up to a rough start, so

860
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 11: there's questions to whether.

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Speaker 8: They can do it again.

862
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Speaker 3: Surprise to the East are the New York Red Bulls.

863
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Speaker 11: This young team that have won two games with three

864
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 11: seventeen year olds or younger in the starting eleven, a

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Speaker 11: sixteen year old in the starting eleven. They're scoring goals,

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Speaker 11: they're assisting, they're combining together. It's been incredibly impressive. They're

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Speaker 11: probably the story of the year, but it's Miami is

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Speaker 11: going to be the favorite, or Nashville in there as well.

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Speaker 11: That they added Chris Espinos in the offseason, so they

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Speaker 11: got even better.

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Speaker 3: A team that was good last year, but it's going.

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Speaker 11: To be that Miami homp and looks Cincinnati knows all

873
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Speaker 11: about that, right, I mean that team that knocked them

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Speaker 11: out of the playoffs last year at home in pretty

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Speaker 11: emphatic fashion. It's a team that knocked them out of

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Speaker 11: the US Open Cup at home in twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 11: and it's a team that everybody is gunning for.

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Speaker 3: They're the defending.

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Speaker 11: Champs, and they have the best player in the world,

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Speaker 11: and that you know they're they're at as the favorite

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Speaker 11: in the conference is not changing anytime soon.

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Speaker 2: No question about that. Jake Sivens Sunday Night Soccer on

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Speaker 2: Apple TV. So you'll be here all weekend. Enjoy your

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Speaker 2: stay in the Queen City, and we will talk to

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Speaker 2: you again. To man thanks so much.

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Speaker 3: Can't wait any time.

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Speaker 8: Mom cares, You're the best.

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Speaker 2: Jakeziven Apple TV seven o'clock Sunday Night, FC Cincinnati and Toronto.

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Speaker 2: Hunter Green is going to be meeting with doctors about

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Speaker 2: his elbow stiffness. We're going to talk with a doctor

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Speaker 2: about Hunter Green's elbow stiffness next on ESPN fifteen.

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Speaker 5: Thirty, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 6: Ronald Reagan Highway right now a ten minute delay. I'm

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Speaker 6: at ezelic with traffic. This report is let's talk to.

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Speaker 2: A medical expert about Hunter Green. We do this on

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Speaker 2: a regular basis, chatting with the experts from Ortho Sincy

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Speaker 2: Orthopedics in sports medicine. The great thing about Ortho Sincy

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Speaker 2: is they have specialists, locations and services all over the

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Speaker 2: tri State. This includes walk in orthopedic urgent care at

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Speaker 2: five locations with extended evening and weekend hours in Edgewood

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Speaker 2: and Anderson. Learn more at orthosinc dot com. That's ortho

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Speaker 2: ci Ncy dot com. Doctor Jonathan Slaughter from Orthosincy is

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Speaker 2: with us. We're talking about Hunter Green and elbow stiffness.

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Speaker 2: What comes to mind when I say elbow stiffness.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, elbow stiffness, especially an overhead thrower, especially this day

912
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Speaker 12: and age, when we're getting so much talk with Tommy

913
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Speaker 12: John and the honor clateral ligament or the UCL that's

914
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Speaker 12: always your first thought, Oh great, elbow soreness and a thrower,

915
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Speaker 12: especially something that's already had a Tommy John, that's your

916
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Speaker 12: first concern is UCL ok. But there's so many things

917
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Speaker 12: in the elbow being a complex joint, especially with the

918
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Speaker 12: forces it sees with throwing, that can cause pain, swelling, stiffness.

919
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Speaker 12: So you start thinking, like you said, bone spurs, where

920
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Speaker 12: you can get extension, valgus, extension, overload, where you get

921
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Speaker 12: abnormal stress, where you get bone spurs that build that

922
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Speaker 12: can pre event stiffness, pain, pinching, ulner collateral ligament. You

923
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Speaker 12: can get the golfer's elbow or the common flexor tendon

924
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Speaker 12: that attaches over the older collateral ligament can get strained.

925
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Speaker 12: You can get tennis elbow, which is your wrist and

926
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Speaker 12: finger extensors, the common extensor tendon. So there's many things

927
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Speaker 12: that you can look in that can cause pain, swelling, stiffness.

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Speaker 2: He says the UCL is okay, the scans are clean,

929
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Speaker 2: yet he's going to go see a couple of different doctors.

930
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Speaker 2: Could could a scan really be clean and which would

931
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Speaker 2: suggest things are going to be okay, there's nothing really

932
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Speaker 2: structurally wrong here, but he's still dealing with discomfort. How

933
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Speaker 2: do those two things.

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Speaker 12: Mesh Yeah, So when he says the UCL is okay,

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Speaker 12: I am assuming he's referring to as prior MRI that

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Speaker 12: he had, because I've not heard he had us had

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Speaker 12: an MRI yet after this recent announcement of stiffness. So

938
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Speaker 12: I would imagine when he was having the pain at

939
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Speaker 12: the end of last season they got the MRI then,

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Speaker 12: and the ligament was intact. It wasn't showing any tear,

941
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Speaker 12: it wasn't showing fluid signal changes within the ligament. It

942
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Speaker 12: wasn't showing fluid getting underneath the ligament where it attaches

943
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Speaker 12: to the bone. So I'm guessing that scan the ligament

944
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Speaker 12: looked fine, intact, and you can still get There are

945
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Speaker 12: people we see all the time with pain swelling that

946
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Speaker 12: of any joint we can get and the MRI doesn't

947
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Speaker 12: show anything specific, but a lot of times you will

948
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Speaker 12: see inflammation or other changes elsewhere.

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Speaker 2: Opening Day is three weeks from Thursday. Should I assume

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Speaker 2: that Hunter Green will not be on the mound for

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Speaker 2: that game?

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Speaker 12: My assumption, again, all this is assumption without knowing exactly

953
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Speaker 12: where his pain is and seeing things. My assumption is

954
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Speaker 12: I'd be surprised if he's active for opening Day, just

955
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Speaker 12: because he had this similar pain and stiffness at then

956
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Speaker 12: the last season. I think it was going to be

957
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Speaker 12: a little bit after Opening day before he hit the active.

958
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Speaker 2: He said he had an injection right before spring training.

959
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Speaker 2: What may have that.

960
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Speaker 8: Involved depends on what they were targeting.

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Speaker 12: If they were targeting something like extension or valgus extension,

962
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Speaker 12: overload or impingement with the bone spurs, it could have

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Speaker 12: been an intra articular steroid injection or as steroids into

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Speaker 12: the joint to try to calm the inflammation.

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Speaker 3: Down.

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Speaker 12: If it was maybe some inflammation and one of the tendons,

967
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Speaker 12: not the UCL, but one of the tendons. It could

968
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Speaker 12: have been a PRP or plasma rich protein to try

969
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Speaker 12: to get.

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Speaker 8: That to heal.

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Speaker 2: When you hear that he talks about you know, last year,

972
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Speaker 2: I felt discomfort, but I pushed through. From a pure

973
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Speaker 2: baseball perspective, great, right, they were trying to make the postseason.

974
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Speaker 2: But from a medical perspective, what things come to mind

975
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Speaker 2: when you hear him refer to pain that he pitched

976
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Speaker 2: through late last.

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Speaker 12: Season, especially an overhead thrower. If it's pain on the

978
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Speaker 12: inside of the elbow where the UCL is, you're always worried. Well, great,

979
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Speaker 12: if you're just having some light sprain, just very partial tearing,

980
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:41,439
Speaker 12: but the ligaments okay, well it's weakend. If you're pushing through,

981
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,280
Speaker 12: could you then turn that into something that more severe

982
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 12: and more significant tear? So from a medical perspective, you're

983
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 12: always really thinking could you make it worse?

984
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 8: But I'm sure they were on top of them.

985
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Speaker 12: Got scans, UCL looked okay, everything looked okay. It's likely

986
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 12: some impingement or something like that. You can push through

987
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 12: without causing more damage.

988
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 2: Should I fear the worst case, and what is the

989
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 2: worst case here?

990
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 12: Worst case would be the ucl AS torn right now,

991
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Speaker 12: I would be optimistic and hopeful.

992
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 8: It's not worth getting well.

993
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,240
Speaker 12: As my mother in law always tells me, don't trouble trouble,

994
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 12: in other words, until it's here, don't don't fret about it.

995
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 12: And so the worst to me would be it would

996
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 12: be a second you Tommy John required if it's a

997
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 12: ucl and outcomes of those are much more guarded. I mean,

998
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 12: he could come back, but that would be the worst

999
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 12: case scenario. But in the words of Jill and Pelsary,

1000
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 12: don't trouble, trouble very nice.

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00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 2: Sorry, Jill gets a shout out. Worst case is often

1002
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,919
Speaker 2: not the most likely case. So I'm going to try

1003
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 2: to take your advice. I'm gonna try to take your

1004
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 2: mother in law's advice. It's not gonna work because I'm

1005
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 2: gonna fret over this, and I think most Reds fans are,

1006
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 2: But we'll be paying attention. He is going to have

1007
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 2: two consultations with doctors. Put yourself in the exam room,

1008
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 2: give me an idea of the things you're looking at.

1009
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 2: Looking for.

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00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 12: One where the pain is, especially with his motion when

1011
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 12: he's getting the pain and his motion, and then certain

1012
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 12: test maneuvers where we're really stressing that honor collateral ligament.

1013
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 8: Is that lighting it up?

1014
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 12: Then I would we would throw an ultrasound on it

1015
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 12: and measure how much his joint is giving way to stress.

1016
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 12: Every joint gives some, but as he lacks, is he

1017
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 12: giving too much? That's what would be really focused in

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Speaker 12: and on.

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00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 2: Awesome insight. Making a bit of a house call, answering

1020
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Speaker 2: our call last second. Appreciate the time, doctor Slaughter, thanks

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00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 2: so much. Always mo that guy's the best doctor. Jonathan

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Speaker 2: Slaughter from Ortho Sincy. I say this every single week

1023
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Speaker 2: because it's true. The great thing about Ortho Sinsey is

1024
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Speaker 2: they have specialists on locations all over the Tri State,

1025
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Speaker 2: including walk in orthopedic urgent care weekdays from nine am

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Speaker 2: to nine pm and on Saturdays from nine am to

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Speaker 2: one pm at both Edgewood and Anderson. It's easy because

1028
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Speaker 2: you do not need an appointment and it's definitely cheaper

1029
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Speaker 2: than going to an er. Whenever you have an urgent

1030
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Speaker 2: orthopedic injury. Good orthosinc dot com. That's Ortho ci Ncy

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Speaker 2: dot com. What a difference two years makes.

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Speaker 5: Next Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty traffic.

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Speaker 6: From the UC Health Traffic Center at the UC Gardner

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Speaker 6: Neuroscience Institute. The Multiple Sclerosis Experts deliver personalized treatments, groundbreaking research,

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Speaker 6: Northbound seventy one seventy five, the left two lanes are

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Speaker 6: blocked from an accident between Buttermilk Pike and Dixie Highway

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Speaker 6: with a thirty minute delay back from two seventy five

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Speaker 6: in Erlanger. Also an injury accident Glendale Milford Road at

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Speaker 6: Wayne Avenue. I'm at ezelic with traffic.

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Speaker 2: This report A couple of quick programming notes got the

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Speaker 2: Mark Pope radio show tonight at six o'clock on ESPN

1043
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. The Kentucky Wildcats last night. I'm not sure

1044
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 2: that lost did anything to hurt their tournament chances. It

1045
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 2: probably had some impact on their seating, I guess, But

1046
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 2: I think what last night was was a reminder of

1047
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 2: just how wholly unreliable Mark Pope's team is. NKU basketball.

1048
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 2: Tonight in the Horizon League Tournament, the Norris take on

1049
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 2: Oakland as the seven seed. That game tips off at

1050
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 2: seven o'clock, you'll hear it live on Fox Sports thirteen

1051
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 2: to sixty. Pregame is gonna be at six thirty. If

1052
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 2: you're a UC fan. There's lots of games to pay

1053
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 2: attention to tonight. Now, the Bearcats win, which is great,

1054
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 2: but it wasn't night last night where a lot of

1055
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 2: bubble teams helped their chances. And I think there were

1056
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 2: more than anything teams that at least to this point

1057
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 2: put themselves in the tournament. Maybe didn't make themselves locks,

1058
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 2: but like UCLA winning last night, A and M's went

1059
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 2: over Kentucky, TCU's road win against Texas Tech, I felt

1060
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 2: like TCU was in anyway. I feel like they're now

1061
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 2: safely in VCU winning, Virginia Tech winning. There are some

1062
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 2: games worth paying attention to tonight. Ohio State and Penn State.

1063
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 2: Buck guys took a major step toward the tournament with

1064
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 2: that home win over Purdue. On Sunday, they're on the

1065
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 2: road against the Nitney Lions. New Mexico is worth paying

1066
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 2: attention to. One of those bubble teams. And I'm not

1067
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Speaker 2: I'm not using any one bracketologists first four out, next

1068
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Speaker 2: four out. I'm just these are teams that are generally

1069
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Speaker 2: assumed to be vying for those remaining spots. By the way,

1070
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Speaker 2: first time I think I've ever used the word vying

1071
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 2: on this show. New Mexico takes on Colorado State tonight. Indiana.

1072
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Speaker 2: Indiana cannot afford a loss to Minnesota tonight. Go Golden Gophers.

1073
00:56:54,680 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 2: Sorry Hoosiers fans. USC has lost five consecutive games. They've

1074
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 2: got to stop their slide. They take on Washington tonight.

1075
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 2: Cal coming off a bad loss to a very shaky

1076
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh team, has a game against Georgia Tech tonight. So

1077
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 2: some games worth paying attention to. Above and beyond Cincinnati's

1078
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 2: win last night. I thought last night was really cool

1079
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 2: for Dayda Thomas. And it was cool for Dayda Thomas

1080
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 2: because a guy who's at anyone school for three years

1081
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 2: that feels like forever, and so relative to a lot

1082
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 2: of his teammates, it feels like Dayda Thomas has been

1083
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 2: here since Mick Cronin was the coach. But if you

1084
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 2: go back two years ago and be honest with me, okay,

1085
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 2: it was Dayda Thomas and Gizsel James, and frankly, for

1086
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 2: a lot of us, it was Dayda Thomas or Gizzl James,

1087
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 2: and you would hear audible groans Da Day's first season

1088
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 2: when Wes would put him in the game and replace

1089
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 2: Gisel James or audible groans when you know people talked

1090
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 2: about day Day starting and Gizsel coming off the bench.

1091
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 2: I'm not sure there's a lot of folks who really

1092
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 2: wanted Wes to keep Dayda A Thomas after that first season,

1093
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 2: and last night fans were chanting his name. He's now

1094
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:17,439
Speaker 2: an indispensable member of this team. He's been a great

1095
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 2: Bearcat and like not an all time great Bearcat, but

1096
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 2: Wes Miller has said a lot of really good things

1097
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 2: about Dayda A Thomas, And say what you want about

1098
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 2: the way the last three years have unfolded. Can you

1099
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:30,919
Speaker 2: imagine where U see basketball would be right now without

1100
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 2: Dayda A Thomas. So I just if you go back

1101
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 2: two years ago, like you would hear it, man like

1102
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,959
Speaker 2: DA's in day Day's replacing Gisel? What are we doing here?

1103
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 2: Good for Dayda A Thomas?

1104
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 3: Last night?

1105
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 2: Coming up in the next hour, Jeff Carr locked on

1106
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 2: Reds on Hunter Green and a few spring training storylines.

1107
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 2: Now that we're midway through and a Bengals free agency

1108
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 2: overview with James Rapine. Both of those coming up in

1109
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 2: the five o'clock hour. We're gonna talk with the guy

1110
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 2: who has written my favorite sports book of the year.

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00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 2: Next on esp IN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

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Speaker 6: twenty nine accident at Hampshire Drive. I'm at exelic with

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Speaker 6: traffic this reep.

1122
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Speaker 2: We'll talk Honnor Green's injury and its impact on the

1123
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Speaker 2: red starting rotation with our guy Jeff Carr. Coming up

1124
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 2: at five oho five and a little bit later on

1125
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 2: a Bengals free agency overview with our man James R.

1126
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 3: Peen.

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00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 2: All that coming up in the five o'clock hour. I

1128
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 2: am not necessarily a Larry Bird fan. As a Knicks fan,

1129
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 2: I kind of can't be. And I'm not an Indiana

1130
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 2: State basketball fan, and I'm not old enough to remember

1131
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 2: the nineteen seventy nine NCAA Tournament title game between Indiana

1132
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 2: State and Michigan State. And yet the best sports book

1133
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 2: I have read so far this year is about those

1134
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 2: two things. It's written by Keith O'Brien, who we've had

1135
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 2: in the show before because he wrote a book about

1136
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 2: Pete Rose called Charlie Hustle, which I think is the

1137
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 2: best Pete Rose book ever written. Keith's latest project is

1138
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 2: called Heartland, A Forgotten Place and Impossible Dream and the

1139
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 2: Miracle of Larry Bird. Keith is going to be in

1140
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 2: town for two different events coming up this weekend, so

1141
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 2: he's going to be discussing the book, signing the book,

1142
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 2: and a great chance to meet one of the best

1143
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 2: sports book authors. We have Friday at the Fort Thomas

1144
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 2: Branch of the Campbell County Public Library. That's going to

1145
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 2: be at seven o'clock, and then on Saturday at Joseph

1146
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 2: Beth Booksellers five pm. Keithob dot com to get more information.

1147
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 2: Keith O'Brien is with us Keith, I love this book.

1148
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 2: Thanks for the time. How are you.

1149
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 3: I'm great, Thanks for having me back again.

1150
01:00:59,120 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 8: Great to be with you.

1151
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 2: It's great to be great to have you. Why this

1152
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 2: project right? Because there are a few sports figures who

1153
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 2: have been written about and talked about as much as

1154
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 2: Larry Bird, And so my first takeaway when I found

1155
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 2: out about the project was, all right, Keith has written

1156
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 2: a book about Larry Bird, and he's obviously the central figure,

1157
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 2: but it goes beyond that. Why this project, Well.

1158
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 13: I just felt like we've been telling the Larry Birds

1159
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 13: story the wrong way all these years.

1160
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 3: You know, every time someone comes to this story.

1161
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 13: They always end up doing the Bird Magic thing, the

1162
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 13: Larry Bird Magic Johnson story.

1163
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 3: And you know, I get it.

1164
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,439
Speaker 13: I understand why you would tell the story that way.

1165
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 13: Of course, Bird and Magic are going to play against

1166
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 13: each other in March nineteen seventy nine in that most

1167
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 13: watched television basketball game you just mentioned, and then they're

1168
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 13: going to go on to define and save the NBA

1169
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 13: in the nineteen eighties.

1170
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 3: So I do get it. But when you tell the

1171
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 3: story that way, you.

1172
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 13: End up diluting one of the great underdog stories of

1173
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 13: all time, and that is the story of the rise

1174
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 13: of Larry Bird rural Indiana in the nineteen seventies, and

1175
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 13: this enduring miracle of his nineteen seventy nine Indiana State team.

1176
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 13: And so what I wanted to do here is really

1177
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 13: just almost tilt the camera in a different direction, you know,

1178
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 13: come at this story from a different perspective, really focus

1179
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 13: on Indiana in the nineteen seventies, and when you do that,

1180
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 13: what you really have is an entirely different story.

1181
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 2: I think what I enjoyed more than anything were the

1182
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 2: conversations you had with sports information directors and Larry's former

1183
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 2: Indiana State teammates. Who do who do enjoy? Who did

1184
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:37,919
Speaker 2: you enjoy talking with most?

1185
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 9: Oh?

1186
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 3: My gosh, I mean, you know so many people.

1187
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 13: I mean you get it as a man who works

1188
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 13: in broadcasts and the interviews people. I mean, you've interviewed

1189
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 13: so many people.

1190
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 8: You love them all.

1191
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 13: You know, there are incredible characters around Larry in the

1192
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:00,919
Speaker 13: nineteen seventies. Some of these people shape him, create him,

1193
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 13: others of them frankly save him. You know, I do

1194
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 13: think the story of his head coach in nineteen seventy

1195
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 13: nine is an untold story, and he's an unsung hero.

1196
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 13: I know, Bill Hodges, now in his eighties, still alive,

1197
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 13: you know, really saves Larry Bird in nineteen seventy five,

1198
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 13: and a moment when Larry is about to disappear forever

1199
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 13: where people have completely forgotten about him, it is Bill Hodges,

1200
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 13: down on his luck, assistant coach at Indiana State, on

1201
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 13: his third job in three years, you know, goes down

1202
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 13: to French Lick in search of Larry Bird. And these,

1203
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 13: you know, two men are very similar.

1204
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 11: You know.

1205
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 13: Bill Hodges is from rural Indiana. He's from another small.

1206
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 11: Town, Zionsville, Indiana.

1207
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 13: He knows what it's like to be poor and overlooked,

1208
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 13: just like Larry Bird.

1209
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 3: They really do connect. And it's it's.

1210
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 13: Bill Hodges who coaxes Larry to come back to college,

1211
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 13: pools him back from the brink. And I do think

1212
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 13: mo in some alternative universe, you know, were it not

1213
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 13: for Bill Hodges, we would never have known Larry Bird's name.

1214
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 2: How much of this story, the recruitment of Larry Bird,

1215
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 2: his decision to originally attend to Indiana, the story of

1216
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 2: those Indiana State teams and how they were built, how

1217
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 2: close they came to the NCAA, tournament in the years

1218
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 2: prior to nineteen seventy nine, how much of all of

1219
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 2: this is completely unrecognizable compared to what we see when

1220
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 2: we watch college basketball in twenty twenty six, I mean

1221
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 2: almost all of it.

1222
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 3: I mean, let's start with the basics.

1223
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 13: You know, in twenty twenty six, can a great talent

1224
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 13: like Larry Bird slip through the cracks and end up

1225
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 13: at a smaller program. Yes, of course that can still happen,

1226
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 13: but we're that to happen today. You know, it would

1227
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 13: be everything would be different afterwards. You know, Larry Bird

1228
01:04:58,200 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 13: gets the Indiana.

1229
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 11: State and it proves right away that he.

1230
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 3: Is a legitimate star.

1231
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 13: You know, in that first season he plays there, he

1232
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 13: averages thirty points a game. Well, I mean in today's game,

1233
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 13: Larry Bird's not sticking around at Indiana State anymore because

1234
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 13: you know, Indiana State today has an nil budget of

1235
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 13: about three hundred thousand dollars. To put that in perspective

1236
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 13: for listeners, you know, Cooper Flag last year was reportedly

1237
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 13: paid roughly four point five million dollars. So Bird in

1238
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 13: today's game, after one year at Indiana State would have

1239
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:35,479
Speaker 13: moved on to Indiana or Ohio State. Or Notre Dame

1240
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 13: or duke and gotten paid three four million dollars a year.

1241
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 3: You know, that's just.

1242
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 13: The reality of the world we're living in. And of

1243
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 13: course it was different back then, and I want to

1244
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 13: be clear, like I believe personally that the system we

1245
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 13: had before was wrong. You know, at the NCAA and

1246
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 13: major college programs profited for years, for decades off the

1247
01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 13: backs of amateur college athletes, you know, churning them up,

1248
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 13: eating them up alive.

1249
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 3: You know often, you.

1250
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 13: Know, many of these guys and women won't go on

1251
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 13: to professional careers.

1252
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 3: But the system we have today is also flawed, and you.

1253
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 11: Know we see it, you know when we turn on

1254
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 11: the television.

1255
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 2: Keith O'Brien is with us. By the way, he will

1256
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 2: be at the Campbell County Public Library, the Fort Thomas

1257
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 2: Branch on Friday at seven o'clock and then at Joseph

1258
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 2: Beth right there in Hyde Park five o'clock on Saturday.

1259
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 2: You can learn more at keithob dot com. The name

1260
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 2: of the book is Heartland, A Forgotten Place and Impossible

1261
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 2: Dream and the Miracle of Larry Bird. Another few minutes

1262
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 2: with Keith O'Brien, what sort of things about Larry specifically,

1263
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 2: were you looking forward to finding out when you dove

1264
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 2: into this project. You know, I really wanted to delve

1265
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 2: into his early life, you know, his life in French Lick,

1266
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 2: growing up there.

1267
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 13: You know, French Lick is in Orange County, Indiana. In

1268
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 13: the nineteen seventies, Orange County was the second poorest county

1269
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 13: in the state, in a state that was one of

1270
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:12,960
Speaker 13: our poorest in the country. So you know, he is

1271
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 13: facing adversity after adversity there. And you know, because of

1272
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 13: those adversities. You know, in those early years, Larry Bird,

1273
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 13: a young Larry Bird, wasn't dreaming of playing college basketball,

1274
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 13: wasn't dreaming of playing professional basketball. Those were impossible dreams.

1275
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 13: There was no sense in having such dreams. His only

1276
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 13: dream in the nineteen seventies is that maybe he might

1277
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 13: be as good as his older brother Mark, who you know,

1278
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 13: at that time was considered the gust shooter in Orange

1279
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:52,000
Speaker 13: County fifteen feet and in and was able to play

1280
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 13: on the varsity basketball team at Springs Valley High School.

1281
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 13: And that's really all that.

1282
01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 3: Larry Bird wanted.

1283
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 13: And you know, it was a meager dream, but it

1284
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 13: was an obtainable dream.

1285
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 3: And I just found like that.

1286
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 13: Those kind of things just so fascinating and enlightening about

1287
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:15,439
Speaker 13: this this character that we think, we know it's.

1288
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 2: An American icon who is now more of a recluse,

1289
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 2: like you don't see you right about this. Towards the

1290
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 2: end of the book. He doesn't make a ton of

1291
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 2: public appearances. He's hard to get how, I don't know,

1292
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:29,639
Speaker 2: can you dive into sort of how onto his own

1293
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 2: how reclusive Larry Bird is these days.

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Speaker 13: You know a big part of my narrative in the

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Speaker 13: nineteen seventies is how much Larry Bird wanted to escape

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Speaker 13: the spotlight in seventy seven, seventy eight, seventy nine, when

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Speaker 13: the national media finally caught on to what was happening

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Speaker 13: in Tahute, Indiana.

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Speaker 3: You know, Larry.

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01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 13: Recoiled from that spotlight, you know, like a spider trying

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01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 13: to find refuge in the shadows, and as a result,

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01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 13: you know, was really at war with the national media,

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01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 13: you know, in the in the final years of his

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Speaker 13: college career.

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Speaker 11: In a lot of ways.

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Speaker 13: Now in twenty twenty six, Larry has finally done what

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Speaker 13: he said he wanted to do fifty years ago.

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Speaker 3: He has disappeared.

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Speaker 13: You know, Larry gave his last interview at the veiling

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Speaker 13: of the Larry Bird Museum in Tarahoode, Indiana, about two

1311
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 13: years ago, and at that unveiling that day he said

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01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 13: out loud, I think this is going to be the

1313
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 13: last interview I ever give. And you know, one thing

1314
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 13: I've learned about Larry Bird in the reporting for this

1315
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 13: book is that, you know, for better or for worse,

1316
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 13: Larry Bird.

1317
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Speaker 8: Is a man of his word.

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01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 3: If he says he's going to do something, he does it.

1319
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 13: If he says he's not going to do something, he

1320
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 13: doesn't do it. And so I think Larry Bird is

1321
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:56,639
Speaker 13: simply living the life that he wants to live.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's more more of those details in the book. Enough, Keith,

1323
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 2: have a great stay in town this weekend. Fort Thomas

1324
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Speaker 2: Branch of the Campbell County Public Library on Friday at

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01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 2: seven o'clock and then josepheth Booksellers on Saturday at five.

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Speaker 2: Get more information on those events and the book keithob

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Speaker 2: dot com. Can you imagine a world where fifty million

1328
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 2: people watch the NCAA Tournament title game? Indiana State and

1329
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 2: Michigan State had that audience in nineteen seventy nine. Our

1330
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 2: audience is gonna hear Jeff Carr on red Spring training

1331
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:32,120
Speaker 2: and Hunter Green and what the Reds are probably gonna

1332
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 2: have to do without him. Coming up next on ESPN

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:44,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, Jacm ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's Sports Station, Cincinnati's sports station.

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Speaker 2: Today. Good afternoon, Ulegger, ESPN fifteen thirty. Thank you so

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01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 2: much for joining us. We have a lot to get

1337
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 2: to later on this hour, a Bengals free agency overview

1338
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 2: with our guy James Rapeene from Bengals Talk dot com.

1339
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 2: In just a second, Jeff Carr is going to join

1340
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 2: us locked on Reds podcast on Hunter Green and spring

1341
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:07,680
Speaker 2: training at the midway point, great college basketball night last night.

1342
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,600
Speaker 2: As a UC fan, I could take last night and

1343
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 2: put it in a bottle, just a really fun night

1344
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 2: to have that kind of atmosphere and that kind of

1345
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:19,640
Speaker 2: performance on senior Night, and then we could start to

1346
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:23,080
Speaker 2: extend the conversation to the NCAA tournament. I think the

1347
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 2: Bearcats have squarely played themselves onto the bubble. Now they

1348
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 2: have a ton of work to do, and let's face it,

1349
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:34,680
Speaker 2: the odds mathematically are not in their favor. But if

1350
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 2: you make this about the basketball part. What has there

1351
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 2: been to not like about this team over the last

1352
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 2: three and a half weeks. They're not just winning games,

1353
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 2: they're dominating opponents. That game last night was never really close,

1354
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 2: was never really in doubt. Cincinnati has won six out

1355
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 2: of seven. They're winning games by an average of nineteen

1356
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:56,559
Speaker 2: points per They have to go to TCU and win

1357
01:11:56,600 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 2: on Saturday. They will need to win games plural in

1358
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 2: Kansas City. The way this team is playing right now,

1359
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 2: I'll take my chances. Congratulations to the Miami RedHawks. I

1360
01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 2: know the larger conversation is about do they get in

1361
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 2: if they lose. They nearly lost last night. But to

1362
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:18,759
Speaker 2: win a college basketball regular season conference championship is awesome,

1363
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:21,280
Speaker 2: and it's hard, and you have to survive the dog

1364
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 2: days and road environments, and in Miami's case in the

1365
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:27,760
Speaker 2: MAC taking other team's best shot, which they did last

1366
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 2: night again against Toledo. You gotta win games in a

1367
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:33,639
Speaker 2: lot of different ways, and by the way, to hold

1368
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 2: off an acarant team that's really, really, really good. Tremendous accomplishment.

1369
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:41,720
Speaker 2: First MAC title in the regular season for Miami in

1370
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 2: twenty one years. Congratulations to Travis Steele and his team.

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Speaker 2: The atmosphere in Athens on Friday should be unbelievable. Not

1372
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 2: such a great night for the Xavier Musketeers last night.

1373
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 2: The Trey Carroll injury is really unfortunate, and Kentucky laid

1374
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 2: an egg last night. Not sure that does anything for

1375
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 2: diminishing their NCAA tournament hopes, but it is a reminder

1376
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 2: I think of how hot and cold and unpredictable that

1377
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 2: team can be. As a conference tournament gets closer and

1378
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:17,519
Speaker 2: the NCAA tournament draws closer as well. NKU has a

1379
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:20,600
Speaker 2: chance tonight to advance to the next round of the

1380
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:24,639
Speaker 2: Horizon League Tournament. The Norse in Oakland, Michigan to take

1381
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 2: on Oakland tonight. You'll hear that game on ESPN fifteen thirty.

1382
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Speaker 2: Big news of the day involves Hunter Green, who is

1383
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:33,799
Speaker 2: going to be examined here in Cincinnati and then again

1384
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 2: in LA because he is dealing with what the team

1385
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 2: is calling right elbow stiffness. Jeff Carr locked on Reds podcast.

1386
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 2: I had reached out to Jeff yesterday because I'm like, look,

1387
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 2: let's do sort of a spring training at the midway

1388
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:51,639
Speaker 2: point thing. This was not even thinking about Hunter Green

1389
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 2: and unfortunately, Hunter because of an injury situation is the

1390
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 2: lead story today. Jeff is with us Locked on Reds

1391
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 2: podcast Emergency Hunter Green episode out earlier today. Go check

1392
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:05,720
Speaker 2: that out. I guess the main question I have is

1393
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 2: what every Reds fan is asking, which is why can't

1394
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:10,679
Speaker 2: we have nice things?

1395
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 10: Well?

1396
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 14: And you were talking about storylines, It's like, first one

1397
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 14: and foremost for spring training, can I say health? Yes,

1398
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 14: That's the annoying part about all of this is that,

1399
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 14: you know, we see hard hit baseballs, we see South

1400
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 14: Stewart hitting a ball over the batter's eye, and we're like,

1401
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 14: holy crap, that's awesome. But the main thing is can

1402
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 14: everyone get through it healthy?

1403
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:37,719
Speaker 8: And of course the one.

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01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 14: Guy who doesn't is the one guy who has all

1405
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 14: of those questions surrounding him to begin with.

1406
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing, right, Like, the main question for

1407
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 2: this team is can they stay healthy? And if so,

1408
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:51,679
Speaker 2: they got a shot with Hunter Green. We love everything

1409
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 2: about Hunter Green, everything, staph ace, cost control, He's gotten better,

1410
01:14:57,479 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 2: he's developed a variety of pitches. The one thing he

1411
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 2: he hasn't done is get through a full big league

1412
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 2: season uninterrupted. And look what's happened today. What we found

1413
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 2: out today. Maybe doesn't preclude him from starting the season

1414
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:11,679
Speaker 2: on the opening day roster, but at the very, very

1415
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 2: very least, it is a reminder of that last hurdle

1416
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 2: that so far he has yet to clear.

1417
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:21,840
Speaker 14: MO I love to be optimistic with most things surrounding

1418
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 14: the Cincinnati Reds, of course, but it's really hard for

1419
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 14: me to be optimistic with the words elbow discomfort.

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01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:28,160
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1421
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 14: I just I just know how that goes Like, this

1422
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 14: isn't a well, you know, maybe possibly might be. He's

1423
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 14: already got two opinions scheduled over the next week. He's

1424
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:42,280
Speaker 14: already talking about, well, this is something I dealt with

1425
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:45,960
Speaker 14: since last year and breezed past this offseason.

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01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 8: I just this is.

1427
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 14: The one thing that really gets me with Hunter Green

1428
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 14: is that, you know, we were talking about can he

1429
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:56,559
Speaker 14: make a good amount of starts in twenty twenty six,

1430
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 14: And even if this feels like it could be the

1431
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 14: most optimistic diagnoses possible, I still don't expect him to

1432
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:07,760
Speaker 14: see him till at least May, if not June. And

1433
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:09,720
Speaker 14: so with that, he's not going to make a good

1434
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 14: amount of starts. He's not gonna be in the cy

1435
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 14: Young race. And I mean I love the Reds pitching depth,

1436
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 14: but I really didn't want to test it on opening day.

1437
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:18,760
Speaker 2: Didn't want to test on an opening day, and you

1438
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:20,719
Speaker 2: didn't want to start from the top. And like nothing

1439
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:24,599
Speaker 2: against Andrew Abbot, Nicolodolo, Chase Burns, Upside, any of those guys,

1440
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:28,120
Speaker 2: but like it starts with Hunter Green, Like if the

1441
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:30,599
Speaker 2: Reds are going to win the National League Central, and

1442
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:33,600
Speaker 2: that that may sound far fetched without Hunter Green, but

1443
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:35,760
Speaker 2: if they're going to win the National League Central, it's

1444
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 2: gonna happen on the strength mainly of the starting staff. Now,

1445
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:41,600
Speaker 2: the bullpen may be better, and I expect it to be,

1446
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 2: and they may score more runs and hit more home runs,

1447
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:47,679
Speaker 2: and that's that's that's that's a fair assumption as well.

1448
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:51,799
Speaker 2: But this, this doesn't happen to the extent that it must.

1449
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 2: If if there's suddenly a whole bunch of injuries with

1450
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 2: the starting staff, and if you bake in like, all right,

1451
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:00,799
Speaker 2: not everybody is going to make thirty to third three starts.

1452
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 2: There's there's gonna be guys who miss starts. There's gonna

1453
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:06,640
Speaker 2: be a stint on the injury list. Fine, I'll accept that,

1454
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 2: but it's a really bad sign when we haven't gotten

1455
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:11,400
Speaker 2: through two and a half weeks worth of Cactus League games,

1456
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 2: and already the staff A's has a major injury question

1457
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 2: and we're openly wondering if he's going to miss the

1458
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:22,200
Speaker 2: first two months. That doesn't suggest that that what we

1459
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:24,519
Speaker 2: want for this staff and what has to happen for

1460
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 2: this staff will happen.

1461
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:29,680
Speaker 14: Last year, the top four, because we talk about the

1462
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 14: top four of the red starting rotation being elite and

1463
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 14: can go toe to toe with any team in Major

1464
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 14: League Baseball. Last year, the top four made one hundred

1465
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:42,639
Speaker 14: and eight starts and the Reds won sixty three percent

1466
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 14: of those games. So we were like, can they make

1467
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 14: one hundred and twenty between the four of them? Because

1468
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 14: even if you know, one hundred and twenty, even if

1469
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:53,000
Speaker 14: hunder Green were to make twenty five starts, it's still

1470
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 14: doable for the rest of the guys to make up

1471
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 14: that gap, because that's not a huge ask for guys

1472
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:00,719
Speaker 14: like Nicolodelo and Andrew Abbot to just make a couple

1473
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 14: more starts in their season. But now you take him

1474
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 14: out of the equation, and so you're hoping that Chase

1475
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:10,600
Speaker 14: Burns is who everybody says he is you're hoping that

1476
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:14,360
Speaker 14: Rhetlouder is who we hope he can be, and maybe

1477
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:17,759
Speaker 14: even Brandon Williamson's going to get I was thinking somewhere

1478
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:20,880
Speaker 14: around ten starts before this century. Now it looks like

1479
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:24,759
Speaker 14: Brandon Williamson is probably getting somewhere between fifteen and twenty starts,

1480
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 14: maybe even more than that. So is he as good

1481
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 14: as his renaissance version of himself has been presented in Goodyear?

1482
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:36,640
Speaker 14: That's where all of the starting staff goes through. Is

1483
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 14: how good is the depth? Because the depth look nice

1484
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:41,560
Speaker 14: without having to use it, but now it's going to

1485
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:42,240
Speaker 14: have to be used.

1486
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 2: I think the other frustrating with Hunter specifically, And like

1487
01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:49,160
Speaker 2: I'm a huge fan. If I'm if I'm not too

1488
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:52,679
Speaker 2: old to have a favorite red it's Hunter Green. Yeah,

1489
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:55,280
Speaker 2: But like there are guys who get hurt. There are

1490
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:57,080
Speaker 2: guys who get hurt a lot, and then there are

1491
01:18:57,120 --> 01:19:00,640
Speaker 2: guys who when they get hurt, there's weirdness. This just

1492
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:02,640
Speaker 2: feels like that. This feels like an example of that,

1493
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:05,599
Speaker 2: And that's that's no indictment on Hunter Green's character at all,

1494
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 2: but like it's he dealt with the discomfort all off season.

1495
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 2: There's a scan it's not really showing anything, but there's

1496
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 2: there's something jangling around there, like is maybe it's a

1497
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 2: Reds thing. I don't know. It just it feels like

1498
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:21,120
Speaker 2: we are always talking about with the Reds or maybe

1499
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:24,280
Speaker 2: just with Hunter I don't know, like injuries and just

1500
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 2: something sort of janky surrounding the injury. Do you feel

1501
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:27,760
Speaker 2: the same way?

1502
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:32,679
Speaker 14: And I'm gonna ask and I'm gonna ask this question

1503
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 14: here later on today when we have John Sadak on

1504
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:38,800
Speaker 14: with me and Steve and we're going to talk about

1505
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 14: this because I feel like it needs to be said,

1506
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:41,800
Speaker 14: Like I'm with you.

1507
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 8: I love Hunter Green to death.

1508
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 14: But we heard that interview that he gave to UH

1509
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:50,559
Speaker 14: to the local station here where he very very very

1510
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 14: professionally and very very courteously said.

1511
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 8: Yeah, I would have went out back had I've been

1512
01:19:56,439 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 8: doing anything else.

1513
01:19:57,640 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 14: Yeah, and when I heard all these comments about myself,

1514
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 14: we would have hashed this out in a very different way.

1515
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 8: Why did he say that if he knew his elbow

1516
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 8: was the way it was, Why Why did we? Why

1517
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:11,639
Speaker 8: did we go there? Why did we?

1518
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:15,840
Speaker 14: It just felt like Hunter Green was saying, watch me

1519
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 14: this year, I'm going to go off.

1520
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:19,720
Speaker 8: But as we find out.

1521
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:22,160
Speaker 14: A couple of weeks later, he got an injection during

1522
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:24,640
Speaker 14: the off season to deal with some elbow issue that

1523
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 14: he felt discomfort for all throughout the end of last season.

1524
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:32,519
Speaker 14: I don't understand why those two things exist in the

1525
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:33,200
Speaker 14: same universe.

1526
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:36,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, said Jeff Carr locked on Reds podcast. So

1527
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:40,639
Speaker 2: my original intent was to get you on, and I

1528
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 2: wasn't even really going to talk about Hunter Green. You know,

1529
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:46,240
Speaker 2: I was going to discard his start from Saturday and go, sure,

1530
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 2: know what, no big deal. He's still trying to get

1531
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:51,680
Speaker 2: used to the ABS system. I guess it happens. And

1532
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:54,200
Speaker 2: yet here we are. Let's let's pivot to some other stuff.

1533
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:57,760
Speaker 2: As you've watched the Cactus League unfold, give me one

1534
01:20:57,840 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 2: or two things that have stood out to you.

1535
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:03,880
Speaker 14: I have really liked the quality of contact that we've

1536
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 14: seen from everybody in the lineup. I mean, you even

1537
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:08,559
Speaker 14: go down to Dane Myers, who when he is in,

1538
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:11,320
Speaker 14: he looks very impressive at the bat, he looks impressive

1539
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 14: on the base path, looks impressive in the outfield. I

1540
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 14: think that overall, we always try to take everything with

1541
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 14: a grain of salt in spring training because you're like

1542
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 14: you could be facing a double a pitcher that's never

1543
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 14: made it to the major leagues, but even still, I

1544
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:26,800
Speaker 14: want those guys to succeed in those situations. We're seeing

1545
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:29,439
Speaker 14: a ton of hard hit contact, whether it be a

1546
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:31,800
Speaker 14: base hit or a home run over the batter's eye,

1547
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:34,920
Speaker 14: like south Stewart hit the other day against the Cubs.

1548
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 14: We've seen so much about this lineup that at least

1549
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:41,240
Speaker 14: makes you feel good early on. I'm not going to

1550
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:43,640
Speaker 14: say that this is all going to translate to one

1551
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:46,639
Speaker 14: hundred and sixty two games of nothing but one hundred

1552
01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 14: mile an hour hits, but I think that we've seen

1553
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:52,400
Speaker 14: a lot of good stuff from this lineup. And really,

1554
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:57,719
Speaker 14: my most impressive thing so far is that fifth rotation spot,

1555
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 14: which now looks like a fourth and fifth and maybe

1556
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 14: even more yeah, is the.

1557
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 8: Fact that nobody has lost it.

1558
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 2: It's a battles point.

1559
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, There's there's not been a point where

1560
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:11,520
Speaker 14: I'm like, well, obviously Brandon Williamson isn't ready, or obviously

1561
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 14: Red Louder isn't right. They all look like they are

1562
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 14: just absolutely champlain at the bed to get on that

1563
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:19,880
Speaker 14: mound and throw at least six to seven innings every

1564
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 14: single time.

1565
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:20,599
Speaker 9: Out.

1566
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 14: I'm excited for how the position battles have gone thus

1567
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 14: far in spring training because I don't think anybody's lost them.

1568
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:29,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, you and I talked about this

1569
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 2: weeks ago. They went in a spring training and it

1570
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:36,400
Speaker 2: was relatively easy, I think, to kind of figure out

1571
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:39,360
Speaker 2: what the roster was going to look like and injuries

1572
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:41,679
Speaker 2: were going to impact that. Maybe now with Hunter Green,

1573
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:45,680
Speaker 2: injuries will impact that. But at the very least, I

1574
01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 2: think you could still say that, And maybe that means

1575
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:50,680
Speaker 2: that nobody has come from nowhere to you know, make

1576
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:52,800
Speaker 2: us question whether or not that guy should get a

1577
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:55,559
Speaker 2: roster spot. But more than anything, I'm not sure that

1578
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:57,240
Speaker 2: a hole has opened up. I'm not sure that you've

1579
01:22:57,240 --> 01:22:59,760
Speaker 2: seen anybody who you're like, uh, oh, you know what

1580
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 2: they should have done more? Now they get to scramble

1581
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 2: and go find somebody like. It's been up until today,

1582
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 2: a relatively serene spring And I think if you're Tito,

1583
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 2: that was your goal at the outset nearly a month ago.

1584
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1585
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:16,439
Speaker 14: And a question that I have, and it's a good question,

1586
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 14: but a question that I have about spring training so

1587
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 14: far is why on earth was Nathaniel low so available? Yeah,

1588
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:25,640
Speaker 14: because he's looking pretty good. I feel good about the

1589
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 14: depth of the lineup. At the very least, He's going

1590
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 14: to be a guy that you can put on the

1591
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 14: bench and in key situations against right handers late in

1592
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 14: the game, you can bring this dude off the bench

1593
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:38,280
Speaker 14: who can give you a good at bat that who knows,

1594
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 14: it could be a home run, it could be a

1595
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:44,320
Speaker 14: multi base hit. I feel like Nick Crawl, and it's

1596
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:45,800
Speaker 14: one of them things right where you're like.

1597
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 8: Do you give credit to a guy for signing a

1598
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 8: guy to a minor league deal?

1599
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:51,160
Speaker 11: But I kind of like give credit that we were

1600
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 11: able to get.

1601
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:53,880
Speaker 8: In the thing below on this roster.

1602
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:57,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if he's on the team, who cares, right,

1603
01:23:57,680 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 2: and he's on the team and he's on the roster.

1604
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 2: But I also think, like, you know, the idea was

1605
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 2: for Sal Stewart to do enough to make the team.

1606
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:06,400
Speaker 2: We all felt like he was probably gonna happen anyway.

1607
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:08,960
Speaker 2: But it feels like he's done enough to make the team.

1608
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:11,719
Speaker 2: And you're looking for signs for Matt McLain. Matt McLain,

1609
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 2: this is such a huge year for him. You're looking

1610
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:16,160
Speaker 2: for signs that would suggest that last year is an

1611
01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:18,240
Speaker 2: aberration last year is not what he's going to be

1612
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:22,720
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six. So far, so good. Like you

1613
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:26,719
Speaker 2: take every spring training result, every game, every yet bat,

1614
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 2: everything with a grain of salt, but you're looking for

1615
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 2: encouraging signs, and with a lot of guys that you

1616
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 2: were focusing it on, I think we've seen it. Would

1617
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:34,759
Speaker 2: you agree?

1618
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 14: One and the comments that were made on the first

1619
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:43,360
Speaker 14: Reds TV broadcast where they were talking to to use

1620
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:47,599
Speaker 14: to use your name for him, Tito the Magnificent, as

1621
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:52,320
Speaker 14: he was talking about Matt McClain, he literally made it

1622
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:56,479
Speaker 14: sound as though Matt McClain needs to lose the job

1623
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:58,920
Speaker 14: as far as the number two hitter is concerned. I

1624
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:01,760
Speaker 14: think that if he pencils him into the number two

1625
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:04,959
Speaker 14: spot on the lineup on opening day and somebody is surprised,

1626
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:07,240
Speaker 14: that's just because they didn't hear Tito talk about it,

1627
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:09,800
Speaker 14: because it sounds as though the top four of the

1628
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:11,760
Speaker 14: lineup is set for opening day.

1629
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:15,760
Speaker 2: Certainly feels that way. Jeff Carr the Locked on Reds podcast,

1630
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:19,240
Speaker 2: The emergency pod about Hunter Green's injury situation is available.

1631
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:21,040
Speaker 2: Go check that out and you guys will have John

1632
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:22,120
Speaker 2: Sadak later today.

1633
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:24,439
Speaker 8: Yes, sir, very good.

1634
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:26,760
Speaker 2: Our guy Jeff Carr will do it against you man.

1635
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:30,040
Speaker 2: Thanks so much well. I appreciate you all. Reds the

1636
01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:32,720
Speaker 2: absolute best. Jeff Carr at the Locked On Reds podcast,

1637
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:36,760
Speaker 2: Emergency Hunter, Green Injury Podcast. Go get that where you

1638
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:40,000
Speaker 2: get your podcast. We'll switch gears something maybe a little

1639
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:43,680
Speaker 2: bit more optimistic. Bengals Free Agency and overview with our

1640
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:48,520
Speaker 2: guy James Rapine. Next on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports.

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Speaker 2: Out the rest of this week after today, as we

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Speaker 2: come back them out Monday as well. By the time

1653
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:35,640
Speaker 2: Tuesday gets here. There's going to be a lot to

1654
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:38,600
Speaker 2: talk about, and maybe some stuff that's really good to

1655
01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 2: talk about, maybe some stuff that's really not so good

1656
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:43,760
Speaker 2: to talk about. But look, man, we've been talking about

1657
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:45,959
Speaker 2: the players the Bengals need to go get in free agency,

1658
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:47,720
Speaker 2: or at least the fact that the Bengals need to

1659
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:50,360
Speaker 2: go get players in free agency since well before last

1660
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:53,599
Speaker 2: season ended. Free agency is almost here. So let's get

1661
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:57,760
Speaker 2: an overview from our friend and yours, James Rapine from

1662
01:26:58,160 --> 01:27:01,760
Speaker 2: Bengals Talk dot com, Enter the Junk and Locked on

1663
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:04,280
Speaker 2: Bengals podcast, Always good to have you. Before we talk

1664
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:07,519
Speaker 2: about players the Bengals may go get. Let's talk about

1665
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:10,080
Speaker 2: a player the Bengals have said goodbye. To give me

1666
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:13,200
Speaker 2: some of your thoughts on the way things ultimately unfolded

1667
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:14,559
Speaker 2: at the end with Trey Andrickson.

1668
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:19,000
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think it was the expected outcome. I think

1669
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:22,679
Speaker 11: it was the outcome that it was inevitable, quite frankly

1670
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:26,720
Speaker 11: and admittedly when I made the push, and believe you me,

1671
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:29,639
Speaker 11: I was pushing for them to tag him and trade

1672
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:33,160
Speaker 11: him and get an asset. I knew where the relationship was,

1673
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:35,759
Speaker 11: Like you knew where the relationship was. It was broken

1674
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 11: and there's a lesson to be learned in that, certainly

1675
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:43,320
Speaker 11: from the Bengals perspective, and we'll see if they learn it.

1676
01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 11: But no, I was not shocked, even though I was

1677
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:50,040
Speaker 11: the one. I think there were three tag tray questions.

1678
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 11: My guy Jay Morrison had one, and it wasn't about

1679
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:54,880
Speaker 11: tagging tray. It was just about his future, which was

1680
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 11: the highlight of the combine, Jay leading things off, Yes,

1681
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:01,439
Speaker 11: and then two to Duke Tobin with me asking about Trey.

1682
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 11: So I tried, but I also knew that this was

1683
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:07,240
Speaker 11: inevitable and he's going to be even richer a week

1684
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:07,599
Speaker 11: from now.

1685
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:10,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, game effort by you, and I concur it was great, too,

1686
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:13,720
Speaker 2: great to read stuff from Jay and Andy you were

1687
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:17,599
Speaker 2: at the combine. Did you have any overarching takeaways that

1688
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:20,840
Speaker 2: maybe you didn't think you'd have about free agency going

1689
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:21,559
Speaker 2: into last week?

1690
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:29,840
Speaker 11: I think, and I guess you could say that we

1691
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 11: knew they were going to add, but I think they're

1692
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:37,160
Speaker 11: really going to add. I think they know that this

1693
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:42,200
Speaker 11: needs to be a multiple starter on defense type of offseason.

1694
01:28:42,240 --> 01:28:43,920
Speaker 11: And I say that and people are going to roll

1695
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:46,559
Speaker 11: their eyes. But a year ago they added t J. Slayton,

1696
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:49,440
Speaker 11: and Rang Burkes, you know, and it was so underwhelming.

1697
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:53,080
Speaker 11: I think they know that can't happen again. I think

1698
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:56,600
Speaker 11: they know that Joe Burrow is very much aware of

1699
01:28:56,640 --> 01:29:00,840
Speaker 11: the talent issues that they've had, that they believe in

1700
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:03,320
Speaker 11: the Al Goldens of the world and the Zach Taylor's

1701
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:04,760
Speaker 11: of the world, and that's why they stuck by this

1702
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:09,439
Speaker 11: coaching staff. And so the only way to fix it

1703
01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:11,679
Speaker 11: and give them a real shot is by adding talent.

1704
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 11: And I know there are people.

1705
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:15,160
Speaker 8: In the building that believe that this.

1706
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:20,160
Speaker 11: Offseason and certainly this free agent period could define the

1707
01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:24,839
Speaker 11: next four years five years of Bengals football, the Bengals organization,

1708
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:27,559
Speaker 11: and so if people in the organization believe that, I

1709
01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:31,320
Speaker 11: have to believe that they're going to add significant talent.

1710
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:35,680
Speaker 11: And so that was it is more confirming what you expected,

1711
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:38,799
Speaker 11: slash hoped, and so I think they're in a position

1712
01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:42,960
Speaker 11: to make significant additions. Will it be as much as

1713
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:46,040
Speaker 11: I want them to do, We'll see, But I certainly

1714
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:48,080
Speaker 11: hope they push the envelope a lot next week and

1715
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 11: add some significant starters on defense.

1716
01:29:50,360 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 2: I have framed it this way, if the Bengals are

1717
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:54,080
Speaker 2: going to win a title while Joe's the quarterback. This

1718
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:56,040
Speaker 2: off season is going to be a huge reason why

1719
01:29:56,120 --> 01:29:58,519
Speaker 2: and if they don't, this off season's going to be

1720
01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:01,320
Speaker 2: a huge reason why. We do this Every year we

1721
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:04,439
Speaker 2: talk about boy huge offseason, important offseason for this team.

1722
01:30:04,439 --> 01:30:08,160
Speaker 2: This year worth where they are right now, you can't

1723
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:11,960
Speaker 2: oversell that. So I agree, I agree wholeheartedly. If they're

1724
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:16,320
Speaker 2: going to splurge in one area and maybe outspend what

1725
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:19,160
Speaker 2: most of us would expect them to spend on one

1726
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:22,400
Speaker 2: player in free agency, where is that likely to come from?

1727
01:30:24,200 --> 01:30:27,280
Speaker 11: I would spend an edge, and I would spend an

1728
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:31,920
Speaker 11: edge because I think one if Joseph Osiley's you need

1729
01:30:31,960 --> 01:30:36,040
Speaker 11: a minimum of two veteran edges, Like it's just it.

1730
01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:38,680
Speaker 11: You can't bank on Reuben Bain being there, bank on

1731
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:41,240
Speaker 11: this guy or that guy in the draft. And so

1732
01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:44,800
Speaker 11: if you spend significant money at edge, but you could

1733
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:47,840
Speaker 11: get two really good edges and you know, is it

1734
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:48,879
Speaker 11: going to be Trey Anderson?

1735
01:30:49,160 --> 01:30:49,320
Speaker 2: No?

1736
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:52,280
Speaker 11: Is it ironic that we're talking about edge and you're

1737
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:54,240
Speaker 11: letting the top free agent arguably leave?

1738
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:56,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's the.

1739
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:56,960
Speaker 8: Reality they're facing.

1740
01:30:57,040 --> 01:31:00,840
Speaker 11: So can you go get an adafe Oa, who I

1741
01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:04,320
Speaker 11: would certainly be in on Jalen Phillips injury issues, but man,

1742
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:06,120
Speaker 11: when he's out there, he can really rush the passer.

1743
01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:07,280
Speaker 3: I'd be in on him.

1744
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 11: Boye Mafe is another one, Like if you can get

1745
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 11: one of those first two dudes, well then you know

1746
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:15,599
Speaker 11: what you could do. And this is one a couple

1747
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:17,840
Speaker 11: of names I'll mention, and it's something else that the

1748
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:20,160
Speaker 11: Bengals need to be open to. They need to be

1749
01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:22,400
Speaker 11: open to guys that are around my age or older

1750
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:25,920
Speaker 11: because it's going to help them at edge and they can.

1751
01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:28,000
Speaker 11: Let's say they go after adape Oa and you cost

1752
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:30,960
Speaker 11: twenty million what once Todavi and Clowney gonna cost because

1753
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:34,240
Speaker 11: I know that he's been a pretty good player for

1754
01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:36,360
Speaker 11: a long time and was good for the Cowboys last year.

1755
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:38,360
Speaker 11: Like if you do that kind of tandem, that kind

1756
01:31:38,360 --> 01:31:42,360
Speaker 11: of combo where it's Oa and Clowney or a guy

1757
01:31:42,439 --> 01:31:45,760
Speaker 11: like Phillips and Clowney or Phillips and Khalil Mack, why

1758
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:47,960
Speaker 11: can get on board with that? And that isn't going

1759
01:31:48,040 --> 01:31:50,799
Speaker 11: to block Samar Stewart, that isn't gonna block Miles Murphy

1760
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:54,280
Speaker 11: And suddenly you have that rotation that you're looking for

1761
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:56,519
Speaker 11: with your first four edge spots. And by the way,

1762
01:31:56,680 --> 01:31:59,400
Speaker 11: if Ruben Bain is there, you can take him because

1763
01:31:59,439 --> 01:32:01,760
Speaker 11: Cedric John right now would be your fifth defensive end.

1764
01:32:01,920 --> 01:32:04,400
Speaker 11: And now you suddenly feel really good about your edge group.

1765
01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 11: So that's the area I would splurge on. And part

1766
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:10,559
Speaker 11: of that mode has to do with the talent that's

1767
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:13,439
Speaker 11: available versus another spotlight defensive tackle.

1768
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:16,400
Speaker 2: So you talk about edge, right, And this is maybe

1769
01:32:16,439 --> 01:32:20,360
Speaker 2: a stupid question. If Joseph Osai played for another team,

1770
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:23,720
Speaker 2: I kind of wonder, like, might he make sense? Why

1771
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:25,600
Speaker 2: is it a foregone conclusion that they're not going to

1772
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:26,200
Speaker 2: bring him back?

1773
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:30,320
Speaker 11: I I think it is. I don't think it is.

1774
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:35,760
Speaker 11: I think that it's very much a we'll see if

1775
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:39,519
Speaker 11: he's going to get more, then we're willing to pay

1776
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:42,000
Speaker 11: him on the market. And what does that look like?

1777
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:42,479
Speaker 8: You know?

1778
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:42,840
Speaker 9: It?

1779
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:44,720
Speaker 3: Just that's it.

1780
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:47,519
Speaker 11: And obviously we know his agent well, we know how

1781
01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:54,360
Speaker 11: how it's been negotiating with David Mullagetta. They also got

1782
01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:56,479
Speaker 11: that one year done with Osai. But here's the other thing,

1783
01:32:56,520 --> 01:33:00,479
Speaker 11: and this is why I come back to potentially moving on,

1784
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:03,760
Speaker 11: is do you want to run it back with what

1785
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:05,200
Speaker 11: you had at the end of the year and just

1786
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:09,040
Speaker 11: add one piece like do you feel good about osikaking

1787
01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:12,160
Speaker 11: a leap because you already want Tamar to take a

1788
01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:14,960
Speaker 11: major leap and Miles Murphy to take another step forward

1789
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:18,479
Speaker 11: after finishing the year strong, Like is Osai in that again?

1790
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:20,120
Speaker 8: Are we running it back for year.

1791
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:22,800
Speaker 11: Six of that? I don't know if he showed enough

1792
01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:26,759
Speaker 11: to be that guy now. So I think it depends

1793
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:29,960
Speaker 11: on what he commands in the free agent market. I

1794
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:31,640
Speaker 11: would be leery of it. I'm open to it. It

1795
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:33,720
Speaker 11: just depends on what he's going to get. And if

1796
01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:37,040
Speaker 11: it's three years thirty three or three years thirty nine million,

1797
01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:38,879
Speaker 11: I'm probably using those resources elsewhere.

1798
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I would agree with that. I think that's

1799
01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:44,400
Speaker 2: I think that's well put. What did what did the

1800
01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:48,920
Speaker 2: ringing endorsement last week from Al Golden for Jordan Battle

1801
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:52,720
Speaker 2: say about what their plan is going to be specifically

1802
01:33:52,720 --> 01:33:54,080
Speaker 2: in free agency at safety?

1803
01:33:55,640 --> 01:34:02,719
Speaker 11: It makes really no sense to endorse Jordan Battle unless

1804
01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:06,679
Speaker 11: there's something going like to that extent, unless there's something

1805
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:09,400
Speaker 11: going on that I don't know about, Like was he

1806
01:34:09,479 --> 01:34:12,080
Speaker 11: silo last year? He was okay at times and made

1807
01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:15,160
Speaker 11: some splash plays or is really impactful? There were also

1808
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:19,439
Speaker 11: some awful awful plays, and so do I think he

1809
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:22,759
Speaker 11: as of now should be a starter. Sure, But should

1810
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:25,360
Speaker 11: you be in the Brian Cook market absolutely, Should you

1811
01:34:25,439 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 11: be in the market for one of these safeties that

1812
01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:31,120
Speaker 11: could change things, Nick Cross or someone like that, Yeah,

1813
01:34:31,240 --> 01:34:34,439
Speaker 11: I think so. And this is the end that.

1814
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:35,320
Speaker 8: That is important.

1815
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:38,200
Speaker 11: That shouldn't take you out of the Caleb Downs sweep

1816
01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:41,960
Speaker 11: steaks or the Dylan dineman sweep steaks, or the McNeil

1817
01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:45,280
Speaker 11: Warren out of Toledo sweep steaks or whoever, the hae

1818
01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:48,599
Speaker 11: Aj Halsey from LSU, like all these guys on day

1819
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:51,960
Speaker 11: one or day two at safety should be in play.

1820
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:55,920
Speaker 11: And so my tick on Jordan's pretty simple. I wouldn't

1821
01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:59,400
Speaker 11: extend him this offseason, certainly not before the draft, because

1822
01:34:59,680 --> 01:35:02,400
Speaker 11: in an ideal world, you would get an awesome safety

1823
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:06,000
Speaker 11: prospect and sign an awesome safety in free agency to

1824
01:35:06,120 --> 01:35:09,080
Speaker 11: give yourself some stability at that spot, a spot that,

1825
01:35:09,160 --> 01:35:11,559
Speaker 11: let's be honest, has been a weakness now for three

1826
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:12,280
Speaker 11: straight seasons.

1827
01:35:12,360 --> 01:35:15,040
Speaker 2: Right, Like, you want Jordan battle on the team, great,

1828
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:17,360
Speaker 2: Let him be on the team, let him compete, you know,

1829
01:35:17,479 --> 01:35:19,000
Speaker 2: let him let him be a part of your defense.

1830
01:35:19,040 --> 01:35:21,519
Speaker 2: I just it. It really struck me as the way

1831
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:23,559
Speaker 2: that Al Golden talked about him, he made it sound

1832
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:25,240
Speaker 2: like that's going to be a cornerstone. And if he's

1833
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:29,479
Speaker 2: a cornerstone, then if it's go go get a really

1834
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:33,200
Speaker 2: good safety and draft Caleb Downs. That feels like it

1835
01:35:33,200 --> 01:35:34,840
Speaker 2: it could be off the table, and it should be.

1836
01:35:36,280 --> 01:35:37,000
Speaker 8: No, it shouldn't be.

1837
01:35:37,080 --> 01:35:40,920
Speaker 11: It shouldn't be because you want like a safety room

1838
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:43,840
Speaker 11: of I'm gonna keep using Brian Cook because that's who

1839
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:46,880
Speaker 11: I would target. Of Brian Cook, Caleb Downs and Jordan

1840
01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:49,280
Speaker 11: Battle might be the best in the NFL. Like, that's

1841
01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:50,160
Speaker 11: a heck of a one for the.

1842
01:35:50,240 --> 01:35:52,000
Speaker 8: Three that feels really good.

1843
01:35:53,560 --> 01:35:57,200
Speaker 11: Yeah, you kid, and you can play all three guys.

1844
01:35:57,240 --> 01:36:00,120
Speaker 11: That's the other thing that that like very realistically you

1845
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:03,519
Speaker 11: can do that. So yeah, I look at it, and

1846
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:07,000
Speaker 11: Battle good enough where you don't have to reach on

1847
01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:09,720
Speaker 11: a safety if you sign one a free agency, absolutely,

1848
01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:11,960
Speaker 11: and that's my goal with free agency if I'm the Bengals,

1849
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:13,639
Speaker 11: make sure I don't have to reach in the draft,

1850
01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:15,960
Speaker 11: make sure I can draft freely and look at the

1851
01:36:15,960 --> 01:36:18,720
Speaker 11: board and follow it and take the best guy. And

1852
01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:21,280
Speaker 11: so that's fine. I'm fine with that. But this idea

1853
01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:25,040
Speaker 11: that He's like this breakout, Like, no, your breakout stars

1854
01:36:25,080 --> 01:36:28,040
Speaker 11: on defense where DJ Turner and Dax Hill.

1855
01:36:28,280 --> 01:36:30,320
Speaker 8: Maybe Miles Murphy.

1856
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:33,479
Speaker 11: We'll see and maybe, and it's a big maybe for

1857
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:36,920
Speaker 11: Jordan Battle, because let's be honest here, everyone remembers the

1858
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:38,559
Speaker 11: end of the Bear's game and there were plenty of

1859
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:39,240
Speaker 11: moments like that.

1860
01:36:41,720 --> 01:36:43,120
Speaker 2: Who's the linebacker I want?

1861
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:48,519
Speaker 11: I think Leo Chanal is really intriguing and I wasn't

1862
01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:52,559
Speaker 11: as high on him until last week when Al Golden's like, yeah,

1863
01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:55,080
Speaker 11: I want a guy who can do this, and Duke

1864
01:36:55,120 --> 01:36:58,200
Speaker 11: Tobin told us the same thing, and so they are

1865
01:36:58,240 --> 01:37:00,479
Speaker 11: certainly on the same page. They want to lie that

1866
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:02,840
Speaker 11: can drop back in the coverage or play on the

1867
01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:05,320
Speaker 11: line of scrimmage as a pass rusher and be that

1868
01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:08,240
Speaker 11: that combo linebacker that gives them that versatility that frees

1869
01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:11,400
Speaker 11: up Demetrius Knight and puts Demetrius in a position to succeed.

1870
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:15,519
Speaker 11: And so I'm willing to I want to spend big

1871
01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:19,439
Speaker 11: on the edge rusher. I want to add a some

1872
01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:21,880
Speaker 11: pieces in the defensive front. And if you have to

1873
01:37:21,880 --> 01:37:25,519
Speaker 11: spend significant money at safety, fine, but at linebacker, I

1874
01:37:25,600 --> 01:37:29,000
Speaker 11: don't need to go, you know, with Bush from Cleveland,

1875
01:37:29,120 --> 01:37:31,720
Speaker 11: or you don't need to get a guy that's going

1876
01:37:31,760 --> 01:37:34,599
Speaker 11: to be sixteen seventeen million dollars. But I do want

1877
01:37:34,640 --> 01:37:37,479
Speaker 11: a solid starting linebacker that you could go into the

1878
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:41,560
Speaker 11: season with feeling confident. Chanal is entering a second contract.

1879
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:46,360
Speaker 11: He's twenty five today and slightly I think, slightly older

1880
01:37:46,360 --> 01:37:49,200
Speaker 11: than Demetrius slightly younger than Demetrius Knight actually so like

1881
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:51,120
Speaker 11: he's got four years under his belt, He's played in

1882
01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:53,680
Speaker 11: a bunch of big games. That makes sense to me.

1883
01:37:54,360 --> 01:37:57,240
Speaker 11: If not, though, I'm open to the older guy too,

1884
01:37:57,320 --> 01:37:59,960
Speaker 11: on a one year deal, you know, the Mario Davis type,

1885
01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:02,840
Speaker 11: the Bobby Wagner types. If they feel like that's going

1886
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:05,680
Speaker 11: to help them, so they have options, I think you

1887
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:07,879
Speaker 11: can find a linebacker that's going to give you some stability.

1888
01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:10,400
Speaker 11: I would start with a mid twenties guy in Chanel

1889
01:38:10,439 --> 01:38:12,120
Speaker 11: who appears to be a sending and and fists what

1890
01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:12,800
Speaker 11: they're looking for.

1891
01:38:12,920 --> 01:38:14,920
Speaker 2: It's not James of being with us from another minute

1892
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:17,120
Speaker 2: or so. It's not a Bengals off season. If they

1893
01:38:17,120 --> 01:38:19,080
Speaker 2: don't sign a tight end to a one year contract,

1894
01:38:19,240 --> 01:38:20,120
Speaker 2: is that guy out there?

1895
01:38:22,360 --> 01:38:26,280
Speaker 11: Yeah? Well one year is interesting, you know, one year

1896
01:38:27,160 --> 01:38:29,920
Speaker 11: I think there's some guy that in multi years the

1897
01:38:30,360 --> 01:38:33,600
Speaker 11: home run swing and this is the very this is

1898
01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:36,240
Speaker 11: a very me take, But like Dallas Goddard would be

1899
01:38:36,240 --> 01:38:38,479
Speaker 11: so much fun in the soft sense because he can

1900
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:40,960
Speaker 11: you talk about a linebacker who can play in line.

1901
01:38:41,040 --> 01:38:43,679
Speaker 11: Dallas Goddard can play online and block and do those things.

1902
01:38:43,960 --> 01:38:46,320
Speaker 11: But he's obviously a dynamic pass catcher. He's going to

1903
01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:49,200
Speaker 11: cost a lot. He's a real tight end, and he

1904
01:38:49,240 --> 01:38:51,400
Speaker 11: would be the best tight end of the Joe Burrow

1905
01:38:51,439 --> 01:38:54,280
Speaker 11: era by far, certainly the most complete. I don't think

1906
01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:56,600
Speaker 11: they'd go that route. I do think tight end is

1907
01:38:56,600 --> 01:39:00,000
Speaker 11: a sneaky need you look at it and can you

1908
01:39:00,160 --> 01:39:05,360
Speaker 11: find the right piece that is going to fit in

1909
01:39:06,040 --> 01:39:09,320
Speaker 11: and not be that that bust type of player you

1910
01:39:09,320 --> 01:39:12,320
Speaker 11: know there. It depends on how the market is because

1911
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:14,400
Speaker 11: I think they're going to be so focused on defense.

1912
01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:17,599
Speaker 11: I'm pulling up as we talk here the free agent

1913
01:39:17,640 --> 01:39:21,880
Speaker 11: tight ends because I'm just kind of curious who else

1914
01:39:21,880 --> 01:39:23,680
Speaker 11: there is that would make it would make a lot

1915
01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:25,960
Speaker 11: of sense. Like Isaiah likely is gonna cost a lot

1916
01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:29,000
Speaker 11: of money. Dallas Goddard, I mentioned him, and then after that,

1917
01:39:29,160 --> 01:39:32,360
Speaker 11: like if David and Joku wants to come here for

1918
01:39:32,439 --> 01:39:35,719
Speaker 11: a reasonable deal. Charlie Kohlar is probably going to command

1919
01:39:35,720 --> 01:39:38,160
Speaker 11: a multi year deal, but in Djoku would be interesting

1920
01:39:38,200 --> 01:39:40,040
Speaker 11: if he's not going to cash in and wants a

1921
01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:43,519
Speaker 11: chance to win. Knows the division well, I think that

1922
01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:47,200
Speaker 11: could be one. But there's not a guy that's jumping out,

1923
01:39:47,280 --> 01:39:49,920
Speaker 11: and I think maybe they look to the draft for that.

1924
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:52,840
Speaker 11: In the mid rounds as a is a spot that

1925
01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:54,960
Speaker 11: they could address, maybe the kid from Notre Dame. There's

1926
01:39:55,000 --> 01:39:56,880
Speaker 11: some tight ends in the mid rounds I think are interesting.

1927
01:39:56,960 --> 01:39:58,840
Speaker 2: I'll be I'll be bothering you a lot in the

1928
01:39:58,880 --> 01:40:00,640
Speaker 2: week's leading up to the draft. I know you're a

1929
01:40:00,640 --> 01:40:03,240
Speaker 2: busy man. Can't thank you enough. We'll chat soon, Thanks

1930
01:40:03,240 --> 01:40:03,599
Speaker 2: so much.

1931
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Speaker 11: I hope that it's so busy next week that you

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Speaker 11: have to bother me because there's so much going on.

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Speaker 11: That's how it should be, and the pressure's on. Joe

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Speaker 11: Brow's watching watching, let's.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's just let's just book it now. Now we

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Speaker 2: have conference tournaments that might get in the way, but

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Speaker 2: like it's mid to late next week, there's going to

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Speaker 2: be something to talk about and we'll be bothering you

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Speaker 2: and I can't wait.

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Speaker 11: I can't wait.

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Speaker 3: Either, I appreciate you for having me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Jordan Battle thing, like, I don't think anybody

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Speaker 2: has an issue with Jordan Battle being on the Bengals

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Speaker 2: next year. I don't think anybody takes any issue with

1945
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Speaker 2: the suggestion that he can help the team next season.

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Speaker 2: I don't think anybody has any issue with the idea

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Speaker 2: of extending Jordan Battle at some point. But the way

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Speaker 2: Al Golden talked about him last week, I think would

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Speaker 2: suggest that Jordan Battle has performed better that I think

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Speaker 2: you and I think he has know And so what

1951
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Speaker 2: you do wonder is based on how Al Golden talked

1952
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Speaker 2: about Jordan Battle. What does that mean for their planet safety?

1953
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Speaker 2: If you're holding onto the idea that they sign a

1954
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Speaker 2: quality starter and perhaps select Caleb Downs, I cannot imagine

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Speaker 2: there's a world, even taking into consideration with Al Golden

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Speaker 2: said about Jordan Battle, I cannot imagine there's a world

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Speaker 2: where they don't take Caleb Downs because they have Jordan Battle.

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Speaker 2: But the way that Al talked about him last week

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Speaker 2: was interesting. The Bearcats are suddenly interesting. So is Miami.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about both next.

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Speaker 5: Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 1: This report is sponsored by Matt.

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Speaker 2: We have been busy today and we'll make sure we

1973
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Speaker 2: podcast all the stuff we've done today. It's all been

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Speaker 2: really good on the iHeartRadio app Again. Podcast of this

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Speaker 2: show are a service of Long Neck Sports Grow. We've

1976
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Speaker 2: been so busy this hour we've barely touched on the

1977
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Speaker 2: college hoops from last night. I'll begin with Miami. Congratulations

1978
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Speaker 2: to Travis Steele and his team. Look, the larger conversation

1979
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Speaker 2: is about the NCAA tournament. We all understand that it's

1980
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Speaker 2: about whether or not they're going to get in if

1981
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Speaker 2: they lose a game in the MAC tournament. I'm like,

1982
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Speaker 2: I think I'm like the majority. I believe if they

1983
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Speaker 2: went on Friday, and that atmosphere is going to be insane.

1984
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Speaker 2: If they went on Friday, They're going to be in now.

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Speaker 2: If they went on Friday and then lose their first

1986
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Speaker 2: game in Cleveland, Hawks fans are gonna be nervous if

1987
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Speaker 2: you're one of them. But I just I have a

1988
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Speaker 2: hard time believing the committee is gonna keep out a

1989
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Speaker 2: team that went through the entire regular season without losing

1990
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Speaker 2: a game. That said, to win a regular season title

1991
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Speaker 2: in college basketball is significant and not easy to do

1992
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Speaker 2: at all, and Travis Teal's team has done that and

1993
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Speaker 2: was awesome to see the celebration last night after fending

1994
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Speaker 2: off pretty pesky Toledo team last night, U sees NCAA

1995
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Speaker 2: tournament chances are maybe not remote, but they're not great.

1996
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Speaker 2: Call it what it is. They could get some help tonight.

1997
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Speaker 2: We talked last hour about all the games happening tonight

1998
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Speaker 2: involving teams that are also trying to make the dance.

1999
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Speaker 2: But from a pure basketball perspective, what they're doing makes

2000
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Speaker 2: me believe that they can stay in the conversation through

2001
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Speaker 2: their own play. This is night and day a different

2002
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Speaker 2: basketball team than it was a month ago. Certainly than

2003
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Speaker 2: it was back in November. And it's a reminder that

2004
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Speaker 2: I think in this sport, one of the fun things

2005
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Speaker 2: about being on a college basketball fan is watching teams improve.

2006
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Speaker 2: Not every team does, some get worse. Injuries are a factor,

2007
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Speaker 2: I think to a degree. Injuries have you don't want

2008
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Speaker 2: to say they've helped, but the rotation has shortened a

2009
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Speaker 2: little bit, which I think has been advantageous for the Bearcats.

2010
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Speaker 2: But they've developed a really good big man combo. They're

2011
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Speaker 2: certainly running better half court stuff. They've defended well all

2012
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Speaker 2: year long. They're taking good shots. Guys who are playing

2013
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Speaker 2: or playing without injury. Like the way this team is played,

2014
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Speaker 2: and you know it's been recited here a bunch. They've

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Speaker 2: won six out of seven. Five of those wins came

2016
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Speaker 2: by sixteen or more, four by twenty or more. The

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Speaker 2: average margin of victory nineteen. They look the part of

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Speaker 2: a team that can win on the road at TCU

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Speaker 2: on Saturday, which they have to, and win games in

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Speaker 2: Kansas City, which they're gonna have to. Like it's it's

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Speaker 2: not just about the metrics and who else is winning.

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Speaker 2: Where are they on the bubble in relation to some

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Speaker 2: of the other teams like the basketball part of this

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Speaker 2: has gotten so much better. And look, you might still

2025
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Speaker 2: be out on Wes Miller and that's okay. And for you,

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Speaker 2: it may be simple, make the tournament or don't. And

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Speaker 2: if you do, you stay. If you don't, he goes.

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Speaker 2: Time will tell. But if you're going to be fair

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Speaker 2: when teams do improve and when the light bulb does

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Speaker 2: come on, and when teams improve and the light bulb

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Speaker 2: comes on in the face of a lot of adversity,

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Speaker 2: you know, that's a credit to the coach and the

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Speaker 2: way they're playing, I believe is a credit to the

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Speaker 2: talent they have, but also the coaching they're getting. UC

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Speaker 2: and TCU. On Saturday, we got to step aside one

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Speaker 2: Get it anytime anywhere on the iHeartRadio app. By the way,

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Speaker 2: it's March. March means College Houbes College hoops needs Long

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Speaker 2: Necks three locations. I mentioned the new location and Hebron

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Speaker 2: is absolutely awesome. When you and your buddies are like woushal,

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Speaker 2: what games? Where should we go go to? Longnecks. TV's

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Speaker 2: all over the four k TVs all over the place,

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Speaker 2: Awesome beer selection. We love the folks at law. Next

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Speaker 2: awesome stuff from today Jeff carlockt on Red's, James Rapine,

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Speaker 2: Bengals Talk dot com are expert from Orthosinsey, doctor Jonathan Slaughter,

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Speaker 2: Rick Brooring, Keith O'Brien. So much good stuff today. I

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Speaker 2: am done for the rest of the week. Off to

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Speaker 2: Arizona little spring training guys, troops, So back here on Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: right when free agency is as we say, hot and

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Speaker 2: heavy and looking forward to it. Thanks to Tarren Bland

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Speaker 2: for producing, Thanks to you for listening. Have a great

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Speaker 2: rest of the week. The Mark Pope Radio Show is

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