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Speaker 1: You mean.

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Speaker 2: Nacho ben Lever is back with us for his regular

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Speaker 2: Monday late afternoon early evening appearance, brought to you by

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Speaker 2: Sierra Nevada Brewing Company. I don't know who credited you

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Speaker 2: with this, but somebody wrote this online. I think that

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Speaker 2: you had run into Mark Craig, or Mark Craig had

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Speaker 2: run into you before the game, and you just said,

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Speaker 2: the Vikings will win the game if we do not

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Speaker 2: turn the ball over. To my knowledge, we didn't turn

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Speaker 2: the ball over, and to my knowledge, I do believe

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Speaker 2: the Vikings won the ball game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, he and I were walking in the

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Speaker 3: state about the same time, and you know, we did

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Speaker 3: have that conversation. It's like, hey, Mark, what do you think, man? Like,

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Speaker 3: what do you think is gonna happen today? We're just

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Speaker 3: kind of like shooting the breeze. And and I said, well,

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Speaker 3: let's be honest here. I mean, we have a good team.

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Speaker 3: If we just don't turn the ball over, then we're

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Speaker 3: gonna have a great chance to win this game. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I hate to break it down to be that simple,

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Speaker 3: but if McCarthy can play clean and make clean decisions,

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Speaker 3: then we know are the way our defense has been

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Speaker 3: playing the last couple weeks, but we should we should

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Speaker 3: win this game. And it kind of did come down

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Speaker 3: to that.

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Speaker 2: Did they did the head coach make it easier for

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Speaker 2: him to play clean with what he called in the

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Speaker 2: approach he took?

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Speaker 3: Well, well, it seemed like that for sure. Natchall I

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Speaker 3: lost it.

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Speaker 1: I lost it for a second.

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Speaker 2: So sorry, you're figured as one of those either phones

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Speaker 2: like connecting or disconnecting to the car.

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Speaker 1: That kind of a bit, that kind of a thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they're back on you know, you're you're you're

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Speaker 4: Well, I've been in that spot from so, you know,

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Speaker 4: it's it's kind of hard to know, you know, if

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Speaker 4: they really you know what the scheme wise, like they cut.

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Speaker 3: Down some routes. Did they you know, not attack some

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Speaker 3: of these coverages the way they normally do. Did they

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Speaker 3: take the plays from fifty down to twenty? Not really sure.

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Speaker 3: All I know is we ran the ball with commitment

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Speaker 3: and efficiency the way that we were all hoping that

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Speaker 3: we'd see throughout the whole season. We didn't just abandon

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Speaker 3: the run game after a couple of failed attempts, because

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Speaker 3: there were you know, there was you look back at

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Speaker 3: the run chart. There were some runs there that were zero, one, one,

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Speaker 3: a negative play early in this game, and then we

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Speaker 3: kind of would pop one for six or seven. So

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Speaker 3: I think that was a major, major contribute factor. And

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Speaker 3: then next thing you know, we're in second and manageable

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Speaker 3: and third manageable. So with all that being said, even

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Speaker 3: if you don't cut down the said playbook and simplify things,

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Speaker 3: it's a lot easier to convert those first downs when

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Speaker 3: you're more successful on first So, however, they got the

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Speaker 3: message across. However, they changed this scheme. It worked, and

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Speaker 3: I think that should be the formula for the rest

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I would agree that that's the question.

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Speaker 2: Can can he? Can he stick? Can the head coach

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Speaker 2: stick with that? Defensively, I want to talk a little

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Speaker 2: bit about the defense too. This looked to me very

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Speaker 2: much like a game in which Washington looked very poorly

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Speaker 2: prepared for or unable to react to the B flow

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Speaker 2: you know, pressure approach. I mean there were there were

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Speaker 2: this was before Daniels got hurt or left the game,

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Speaker 2: where he didn't really have much of it, and there

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Speaker 2: are people coming, you know, unblocked, and I don't know

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Speaker 2: how much responsibility is supposed to be on the quarterback

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Speaker 2: there to shift assignments, but it it didn't even to me,

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Speaker 2: it looked like they had no idea what to do

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Speaker 3: Well, it's fascinating that I feel like this is the

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Speaker 3: way it's been the last let's say three weeks. And

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Speaker 3: you know, we go back to that Seattle game, you know,

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Speaker 3: last week, and I was kind of shocked about how

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Speaker 3: you know, miscounts, And I'm like, are you guys, is

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Speaker 3: these offensive coordinators that have a whole week to prepare.

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Speaker 3: And then I think, what you're kind of alluding to

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Speaker 3: is the end of the first half Harrison Smith. It

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Speaker 3: was virtually unblocked. Yes, three of the four blitzing coming

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Speaker 3: He was at the line of scrimmage. You know, he

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Speaker 3: know that you're blitzing. We're gonna go ahead and just

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Speaker 3: But the choices that Jaden was making was like, well,

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Speaker 3: that's not even an outlet, that's not even that. It

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Speaker 3: seems like a hot throw. It seemed like, yeah, we're

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Speaker 3: gonna we're gonna intentionally leave you uncounted, but then we're

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Speaker 3: gonna throw at you. Like I didn't understand the logic.

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Speaker 3: I didn't understand the confusion, but obviously I liked the confusion,

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Speaker 3: and I like what we're doing on defense.

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Speaker 2: I it it appeared to me that the commanders did

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Speaker 2: not look that interested. You know, as the game went on,

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Speaker 2: they looked about as checked out as I've seen. They

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Speaker 2: then he decided to throw three straight times from the

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Speaker 2: two I'll of the old KOC. But I as the

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Speaker 2: game was going on there and then I think as

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Speaker 2: they they did not look to me like they were

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Speaker 3: You know, I really didn't get that feeling I heard.

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Speaker 3: I heard some people on social media saying like, well,

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Speaker 3: we shouldn't be so happy with ourselves. That was a

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Speaker 3: team very clearly they didn't want to be here and

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Speaker 3: they've given up on a season. And you know, I

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Speaker 3: have to say that in my experience, you know, unfortunately

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Speaker 3: being in that situation a few times, or you're not

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Speaker 3: that's not the time when you start shutting things down.

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Speaker 3: You know, they brought back their quarterback that's been often

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Speaker 3: the team. Their head coach took over defensive play calling

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Speaker 3: great of a play caller Dan Quinn is. This is

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Speaker 3: I think it was to me like they had stuff

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Speaker 3: We don't want to get hurt. I did not get

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Speaker 3: that impression and all the things that I just mentioned

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Speaker 3: like that gives me the reason why they should go

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Speaker 3: And I think they did. I just think that we

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Speaker 3: handled our business. And then once we got late in

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Speaker 3: and especially after Daniels got hurt again, I think that's

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Speaker 3: really when the the win came out of their sales.

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Speaker 1: This is from six to one to two.

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Speaker 2: Guy liber made a comment this morning on the powertrait

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Speaker 2: by Koc not giving the game ball to Oliver, who

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Speaker 2: caught two tds.

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Speaker 1: Instead of giving it to j J. Do you think

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Speaker 1: it's because.

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Speaker 2: Koc is trying to cover his bases, elevate his QB

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Speaker 2: and create some buy in.

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Speaker 3: No, No, I don't think so. I don't think they were.

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Speaker 3: I think I mean, I'm not even sure it was,

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Speaker 3: say it was like a mistake or whatever. Watching that video,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm like, oh, well, you know, if JJ

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Speaker 3: for you know, making a splashy play. I'm like, well,

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Speaker 3: there's a guy on the opfensive side of all that

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Speaker 3: had two touchdowns on two catches, Like he should at

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Speaker 3: least get a game ball, right, So I don't know,

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Speaker 3: maybe they gave him a game ball on team meeting today.

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Speaker 2: Are you going to get him the hop splash Player

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Speaker 2: of the Game award? Is that maybe your way of

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Speaker 2: handling this situation internal, I'm actually not.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to give it to I'm going to give

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Speaker 3: it to the guy, one of the guys I just mentioned,

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Speaker 3: Andrew Van Ginkel. I'm going to give the award to him,

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Speaker 3: and again it is you know, it's partly for just

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Speaker 3: being a smart football player and making a great play,

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Speaker 3: a play that he continues to make every you know,

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Speaker 3: it seems like every five or six games. I know

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Speaker 3: that's an exaggeration, but it seems like he's making them

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Speaker 3: play all the time time. But so much goes into

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Speaker 3: his game that people don't realize, like that that smart, sharp,

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Speaker 3: cerebral game awareness that he has on that particular play.

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Speaker 3: When you watch him play, he he plays like that

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Speaker 3: if it is or it isn't, But like there's always

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Speaker 3: an awareness every single play he's thinking about how can

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Speaker 3: counter that, whether it's the run game taken on polars,

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Speaker 3: he wasn't expecting. I just I just really appreciate, you know,

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Speaker 3: the the headiness of what he plays and he makes.

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Speaker 3: He makes a lot of plays and makes life easier

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Speaker 3: for defense because he does study tape and he is

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Speaker 3: situationally aware. So that's the reason, you know, I want

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Speaker 3: to give him this award this week.

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Speaker 2: So again, the ball did not go much to Justin Jefferson.

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Speaker 2: He said all the right things. I'm interested in is winning.

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Speaker 2: What did you see, I mean, did you see coverages

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Speaker 2: as usual maybe even more so, centering on him on

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Speaker 2: Jefferson so much that there really weren't that many opportunities

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Speaker 2: to get to him. And if that's the case, what's

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Speaker 2: the answer here, because obviously he's not the first great

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Speaker 2: receiver to get extra attention, and you have to eventually.

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Speaker 2: In fact, I would say the rest of this season,

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Speaker 2: you're trying to win, but you're also trying to make

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Speaker 2: sure he gets more involved in what you do because

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Speaker 2: he's so important to the present in the future. So

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Speaker 2: what's the answer there.

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Speaker 3: Well, I do think that part of his route tree

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Speaker 3: in the way that we've used him in the past

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Speaker 3: couple of years is deeper routes. They are coming off

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Speaker 3: off of complimenting routes to suck up a defender, he's

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Speaker 3: like he's one of those players that does make a

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Speaker 3: lot of plays between the hashes and it's deeper down

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Speaker 3: the field, and unfortunately that's just not part of the

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Speaker 3: sneakily is having a great season. I think three of

435
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Speaker 3: their next four games are absolutely winnable. I think they

436
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Speaker 3: might play Denver as well. But other than that, they've

437
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Speaker 3: got a really easy remaining schedule, so they could finish

438
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Speaker 3: with you know, twelve wins this season. I think we

439
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 3: all know that whoever comes out of the AFC North,

440
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Speaker 3: it's not going to be a factor. You know, none

441
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 3: of those teams are very strong. I think it's going

442
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Speaker 3: to come down to a really balanced offense that is Jacksonville,

443
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 3: a great defense in Houston obviously, the way that they're

444
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Speaker 3: playing ball in New England, and let's let's just see

445
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Speaker 3: how the Broncos do. You know, like I said this weekend,

446
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Speaker 3: against the team that we're very familiar with, who is the.

447
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Speaker 1: Best team in the National Football Conference?

448
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Speaker 3: You know, I would hate to say Green Bay. They're

449
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Speaker 3: up there, and you know, I'm I might take them

450
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Speaker 3: right now over anybody. You know, I do love the Rams,

451
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 3: but there's sort of something, something a little more magical

452
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Speaker 3: I think that they have going on in Green Bay.

453
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Speaker 3: I think that they're probably better suited to play in

454
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Speaker 3: the playoffs if they have to play outside now they

455
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Speaker 3: might not have to, if you know, if they don't

456
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Speaker 3: hold that number one seed and you might have to

457
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Speaker 3: go to LA. But if you're looking at like a

458
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Speaker 3: tougher playoff caliber, you know, late December, you know, early

459
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 3: January sort of team, I think the Packers are probably better,

460
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Speaker 3: better suited for that environment.

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Speaker 1: Oh, we appreciate you and we will chat next week.

462
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Speaker 3: Thanks man, all right, thank you man.

463
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Speaker 1: That's Nacho. Ben Lieber probably had more to get to

464
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Speaker 1: with him.

465
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Speaker 2: But we got another guest coming up in fact, member,

466
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Speaker 2: a current member of the Minnesota Vikings, Blake Cashman, is

467
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Speaker 2: scheduled to join us next We've got more Vikings talking

468
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Speaker 2: points to get to. We got some college football controversies

469
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Speaker 2: to discuss, and owe so much more. Stay tuned six

470
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Speaker 2: four six eight six. That is the Bradshawn Brian Caffan

471
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Speaker 2: text line. We expect to call fairly soon, I should say,

472
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Speaker 2: from the Vikings with the Black Blake Cashman scheduled to

473
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Speaker 2: join us.

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Speaker 1: Good. A lot of good texts have come in though.

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Speaker 2: In the last hour or so, which I am trying

476
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Speaker 2: to isolate and say, we have several more Vikings talking

477
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Speaker 2: points to discuss on this program.

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Speaker 1: I didn't ask Liber.

479
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Speaker 2: Somebody asked wanted me to ask Liber what he thought

480
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Speaker 2: of the hit on Ertz, whether it was a clean

481
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Speaker 2: play or any different from the hit that hurt Hockinson

482
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Speaker 2: a few years ago.

483
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Speaker 1: Is there controversy on that play?

484
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Speaker 5: I don't think a little bit I heard Bersage talking

485
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Speaker 5: about it with Pa to day and his response was,

486
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Speaker 5: I mean, what's he supposed to do? Yeah, he's he's

487
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Speaker 5: got to go up and get the guy. Can he

488
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Speaker 5: really hit him higher?

489
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Speaker 1: Don't know?

490
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Speaker 5: So I think I'm sure whenever anybody when it's obvious

491
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Speaker 5: it's a season ender like it was and that was

492
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Speaker 5: tough video, right, or it's just crying on the cards.

493
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Speaker 5: Mariotis over there, it's tough. But Bursus's point was I

494
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Speaker 5: wish people could understand how actually fast all this stuff

495
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Speaker 5: is going, yes, and the decisions you have to make

496
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Speaker 5: and how you go about things.

497
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Speaker 1: And his contention was what was he supposed to do?

498
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Speaker 2: This is an interesting text worthy of discussion. Football is

499
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Speaker 2: a fun game to dissect play calls and game plans,

500
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Speaker 2: but it often comes down to execution. Yesterday, the offense executed.

501
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Speaker 2: It's scaring touchdowns the first two drives. There's a lot

502
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Speaker 2: of the defense be more aggressive and allowed the offense

503
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Speaker 2: to dictate and run and pass when they wanted to.

504
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 2: We call it in the business complimentary football. Too often

505
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Speaker 2: this year they haven't executed, have fallen behind, and everything

506
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 2: gets more differentficult success breeds success failure breeds failure. Taking

507
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 2: the ball after winning the coin to us, something I'm

508
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 2: usually against, turned out to be a good move. There's

509
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 2: some merit to this in that we do tend to

510
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 2: get hung up in the well. Is he running too much?

511
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 2: Is he passing too much? Is he simplifying it enough?

512
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 2: Is he oversimplifying it? Is he making it too complicated?

513
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Speaker 2: And all those things are fair game, But a lot

514
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Speaker 2: of it is simply did you make the play? Did

515
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Speaker 2: the players who were ordered to make certain plays or

516
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 2: you know, certain moves on this given play?

517
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Speaker 1: Did they do what they were supposed to do?

518
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Speaker 2: And sometimes they do, and sometimes they don't, And sometimes

519
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Speaker 2: when they don't in spectacular fashion, it makes the play

520
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Speaker 2: itself look dumber than it really is.

521
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Speaker 1: There is some truth to that, I mean to.

522
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Speaker 2: An extent that goes back to McCarthy's his accuracy issues.

523
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Speaker 2: As I've talked about for weeks. I might want the

524
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Speaker 2: head coach to run more, But if the quarterback is

525
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Speaker 2: going to be as an accurate as he is in wild

526
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 2: as he has been, it renders a lot of the

527
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 2: stuff about run versus pass almost moot. Yesterday he was accurate.

528
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Speaker 2: Now you could say they they ordered him to make

529
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 2: easier throws. Are they called for easier throws? And that

530
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 2: is how this all works together. That's how coaching and execution.

531
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Speaker 2: Coaching can help give you a better chance to execute

532
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 2: on that basis. But I think there was only one

533
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Speaker 2: pass I remember that was well over the head of

534
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Speaker 2: a receiver.

535
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Speaker 1: As to the right side, I can't remember who it

536
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: was over Sadison is that when hit That's true.

537
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Speaker 2: Which the funniest thing too from Breeze, you know, being

538
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 2: mister competitive, He's saying in the fourth quarter, well, you know,

539
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 2: the Washington's gonna have to They're gonna have to open

540
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 2: it up. And really, I mean they're way behind. We're

541
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: gonna have to throw the ball. And I think the

542
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 2: next four plays they ran it, which did which told

543
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Speaker 2: me that they just like I said, they wanted to

544
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Speaker 2: get the hell out of Dodge. They were no longer

545
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 2: really actively participating in the ball game. Anthony Edwards is

546
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Speaker 2: scheduled to play tonight. Originally I guess he was listed

547
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Speaker 2: as questionable. Got some illness going. He's I don't know

548
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 2: what it is, but he is going to go. And

549
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 2: I think Shannon also originally Listen is questionable. Is but upgraded.

550
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 2: He's going to play correct. Yes, that's what I think.

551
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 2: I saw her rotation.

552
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: I don't even know. There's not any consistency with him

553
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: in the rotation right now, is there not? Really doesn't

554
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 1: seem like it.

555
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 2: I don't think we're playing him as as often as

556
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 2: we thought we would be at this point, which doesn't

557
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 2: mean he can't end up being in the rotation, but

558
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Speaker 2: I don't.

559
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Speaker 1: And he's had some injury, some injuries, that's true too,

560
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Speaker 1: which was part of it. They sat him down for

561
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: a little while. That's very, very true.

562
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Speaker 5: Davy Cashman will be calling momentarily the updates, so feel

563
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 5: free to keep going with what happened.

564
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Speaker 2: If we talked about the fact that our entire offense

565
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Speaker 2: was healthy, I'm not playing that card. I'm not playing

566
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 2: that game. I heard it again about Washington if this

567
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 2: is accurate during the TV broadcast, they've largely been going

568
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: without their two best cover corners two not one, two best,

569
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: and their two best edge rushers. So you know the

570
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 2: idea that then you got an easy alibi for now.

571
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 2: It's good because we're healthier. I put it more on

572
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 2: we are healthier, but we're also I think executing better,

573
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,239
Speaker 2: it works together, and I just don't I don't want

574
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 2: to go too far down the sympathy card in that

575
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 2: regard because every team I look at, they're talking about

576
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 2: the Bears defense. They haven't even hit this entire season

577
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 2: been I think they've on average had five regulars four

578
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 2: to five regulars out every week, different different players, different weeks.

579
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Speaker 1: But nobody cares.

580
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 2: It's not like that's going to be you know, it's

581
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: not going to be a loss against Green Bay. They

582
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 2: still lost the game to Green Bay, and in fact,

583
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 2: their best cover guy is at Jalen Johnson. He I

584
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 2: think he started the game and got hurt again. Another

585
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 2: one of their defensive backs got hurt in practice in pregame,

586
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 2: So you know, the line of than we wanted do.

587
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 2: We're obsessed with the injuries here because this is a

588
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: team we follow. So if we spend as much time

589
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: obsessing over the injuries on other teams, we'd find out, Well,

590
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 2: they all have their you know, their their crosses to bear.

591
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 2: It's it's all in fact, Well, our next guest missed

592
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 2: a month, didn't he with a hammy? Yeah, which is

593
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 2: not helpful to the club either.

594
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty cool.

595
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: How much of a tackle machine that he can be

596
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 2: so well, well, I'm sure maybe we'll talk about some

597
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 2: of that with him. I just you know, I just

598
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 2: don't think. Yeah, is it help help to be healthy? Yes,

599
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 2: But the game of football, professional football is a game

600
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 2: of attrition, and quite frankly, every year it's not about

601
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 2: who's healthiest. It's often about which team that has had

602
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 2: injuries copes with those injuries better than others.

603
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: That's to me a large part of it.

604
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: Now, if it's your quarterback and you've missed, you're starting

605
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 2: quarterbacks out for.

606
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: The entire season or ten games? Yeah, I get that.

607
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 2: Then because of the position, the importance of the position,

608
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: that's very, very different.

609
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: Where were we here? Let me see if I can

610
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: get a couple more quick ones in.

611
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Speaker 5: Oh well, while we're waiting, if there's a talking point

612
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 5: you could get to that, yeah, we could do that too.

613
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 2: But in the meantime, there's a lot of talk about

614
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 2: whether Notre Name got screwed and because they the fighting

615
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 2: arshoul doc get named to the post to the postseason tournament.

616
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 2: I think the team that's bugging me more than Notre

617
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 2: Dame one way or the other is Alabama. I again,

618
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 2: I guess I can't say the argum about how can

619
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 2: you can't leave them out? But they had three losses, Yeah,

620
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 2: their third their their third loss. They weren't even competitive

621
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 2: in the conference title game.

622
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Speaker 1: And what also.

623
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Speaker 2: Bugs me is that they've paid it appears week to

624
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: week almost no penalty in getting killed by not even

625
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 2: competitive in the SEC championship game. So I'm actually, you know,

626
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 2: that's the team. I wish there was more heat on Alabama.

627
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 2: And the conspiracy theory is, well, there's too many people

628
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 2: on the committee with SEC you know, biases. I don't

629
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 2: know what the makeup of the committee is, but to me,

630
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: I think Alabama should have been a little bit more

631
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 2: vulnerable than they were, or at least by at least

632
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: having them moved out a bit.

633
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 6: Yeah.

634
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 5: The problem is there's a million problems. First of all,

635
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 5: I think when you're arguing over you know, the last

636
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 5: team or two to get in in twelve, we do

637
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 5: this every year.

638
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: Sixteen, well, which they're going to have, you know.

639
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 5: They're going to have four probably twenty four and then

640
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 5: forty eight and then every game is going to be

641
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 5: a playoff game. We're just going to start in August

642
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 5: and everybody's going to play. I think by and large,

643
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 5: I think this thing has worked out pretty well through

644
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 5: two years. Yes, and when you have a factor in,

645
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 5: you've got some of the non group of five schools,

646
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 5: a group of four schools, you know, like JMU and

647
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 5: like Tulane, Like you're going to leave out a blue

648
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 5: blood one way or the other at some point. Right,

649
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 5: there's a million different problems because the argument for Alabama's

650
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 5: third loss is how can you pay them for making

651
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 5: the SEC championship and having to play? But it looks

652
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 5: like they did do that with BYU because YU got crushed.

653
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 5: So whichever side of the argument you want to go on,

654
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 5: there's an easy counterplay.

655
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: I think that's the problem.

656
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 5: That's the whole problem is it's an imperfect situation that's

657
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 5: probably closer to a true champion than we've ever had.

658
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 5: Remember it used to be when you were covering the

659
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 5: Bulldogs in nineteen eighty. I think you just voted right

660
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 5: because everybody just plays all it's a mythical child. Then yeah, so,

661
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 5: and then they did two, and then they did four,

662
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 5: and now obviously they're up to twelve, and it looks

663
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 5: like there's a lot of momentum for sixteen and if

664
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 5: the if the SEC and Big Ten had their way

665
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 5: to be thirty five, and we'd be having wild Card

666
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 5: weekend right now with Iowa playing Michigan. You have to

667
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 5: get into the Big Ten. So I feel like they

668
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 5: are going to expand it. I think at some point

669
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 5: they're going to get rid of conference championship games, and

670
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 5: they probably are. There's there's too many moving parts with that,

671
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 5: with do you penalize them do you not? How can

672
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 5: a team that didn't play, how can their seeding be

673
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 5: impacted at all? It's complicated, so I never really feel

674
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 5: badly for anybody.

675
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 2: By the way, speaking of nineteen eighty when Georgia played

676
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 2: Notre Dame then the mythical national championship game, which I

677
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 2: covered at the Sugar Bowl, I'm going through some old stuff,

678
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 2: old clips. I find the game story I write right

679
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 2: off of that game, and I guess I'd forgotten this.

680
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 2: Georgia completed one pass in that game and won.

681
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: It just shows you what a different world we're living in.

682
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 2: University of Georgia when the so called national championship game

683
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 2: with their quarterback Buck Blue, who's been a guest on

684
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 2: this show, completing one pass, I think for seven yards

685
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: and they still won the game. They were completely outgained

686
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 2: in that game, by the way. Yeah it was the

687
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: old outplayed. But then the Notre Dame made a couple

688
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 2: of mistakes, but one complain. I mean that again, that's

689
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty, so that's a long time ago. But that

690
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 2: seems to strain credulity. Is it fair to say nobody

691
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 2: is going to win a national championship this year if

692
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 2: they don't like only able to complete one pass? Yeah,

693
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 2: that's what I thought, all right, phone, I think it's ringing.

694
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 2: So I think we're gonna get Blake Cashman here in

695
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 2: a minute, and then we'll get to maybe even more

696
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: reaction regarding who's in and who's out, and whether my

697
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: Indiana Hoosier's got a good draw or not as the

698
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 2: alleged number one overall seed for sure. So the Brancheawn

699
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 2: Bryant KFE and text line is available to each and

700
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 2: every one of you at six four six eight six.

701
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 2: They punished BYU this year for playing the championship game.

702
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 2: I think that's exactly the point that Guardsy was just making.

703
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 2: Blake Cashman, in fact, has indeed checked in via the

704
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 2: Connectico Water Systems hotline. Blake, thank you very much for

705
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 2: the time. We appreciate you giving us a minute or two.

706
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,479
Speaker 2: Let me get the most important stuff off the top,

707
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 2: because we were just talking about the college football playoff.

708
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: Did Notre Dame get screwed? I think so?

709
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 7: I mean, I haven't been keeping as close as an

710
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 7: eye as I normally do on college football this year

711
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 7: and how the playoff picture was shaking out. But you know,

712
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 7: you're talking about a program that because they started off

713
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 7: if I believe zero and two, and they've won ten straight,

714
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 7: they're a very hot team right now, a team with

715
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 7: you know, obviously a lot of winning in tradition. So

716
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 7: you would think that would be a team that the

717
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 7: committee would want to see in the playoffs.

718
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 2: Do you I mean, do you like the whole playoff system?

719
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 2: Do you like would you like to see a tweak?

720
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 2: Do we need to need more teams? And you know,

721
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 2: how far can you go with this thing?

722
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 7: Oh, that's a tough question, you know.

723
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 3: I do like the playoffs picture.

724
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 7: I think it gives, you know, other schools an opportunity

725
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 7: to compete for the title that normally won. So I

726
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 7: really love that aspect of it. But you know, I've

727
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 7: already heard rumors or talks about, you know, should they

728
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 7: continue to keep expand? And I think where it's at

729
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 7: right now is you know good enough?

730
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: Yes me, Yeah, I'm with you on that.

731
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: Although I think it's inevitable, it's probably gonna get a

732
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 2: little bit better. It's just too much money in it.

733
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: I think that's a big, very very big part of it.

734
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: Let's talk about your your club yesterday and you're well,

735
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 2: let's back up a little bit. Let's talk about even

736
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 2: the feel going into yesterday's game, because the week before,

737
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 2: or they certainly the game before, it could not have

738
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 2: been very much fun. I don't think from you you're

739
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,919
Speaker 2: used to winning. This program is used to winning, and

740
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: you find yourself what going into that game yesterday, twelve

741
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 2: games in in a position of being a four and eight.

742
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 2: So give me a sense of how, as a competitive player,

743
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 2: obviously on a competitive team.

744
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,720
Speaker 1: How you process that, how you get to that place.

745
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 2: Where you're not feeling sorry for yourself or or you're

746
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 2: not saying God, this season has kind of gotten away

747
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: from us.

748
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 7: Well, easy quick answer would be a lot of self talk,

749
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:11,439
Speaker 7: but for real, just continuing to you know, plug away

750
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 7: and show up and put your best foot forward and

751
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 7: go to work.

752
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 2: Uh.

753
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,479
Speaker 7: You know, I think we have great coaches, great locker room,

754
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,919
Speaker 7: great staff. So you just continue to you know, lean

755
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 7: on the people that you know, you trust, and you

756
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 7: know we're all in it together, and you know that's

757
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 7: how you you keep a focused mindset. But you know it,

758
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 7: it is frustrating. Uh, you know, it's obviously we see

759
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 7: the frustration, you know, for our fans and and whatnot,

760
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 7: But nobody's more frustrated than us, you know when we're

761
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 7: sitting at where we're at. But uh, at the end

762
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 7: of the day, we're professionals. We have a job to do,

763
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 7: and uh, you have to go out every week with

764
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 7: a high level of preparation and focus with the goal

765
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 7: to win. And that's why we worked so hard. It's

766
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 7: why we put the time that we do into this game,

767
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 7: and that's why we're compensated the way we're compensated.

768
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,959
Speaker 2: Well, you guys certainly did follow through yesterday, I think,

769
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 2: both offensively and defensively. And I was talking with Ben

770
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 2: Lieber earlier about this to me being one of those

771
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 2: games where it looked to me as if, look, your

772
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 2: whole game is a pressure game. Defensively, obviously that's the

773
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 2: B flow game and selectively using those pressures at the

774
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: right time. And I felt this looked like one of

775
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 2: those games where Washington was not prepared for it, or

776
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 2: if they were, they didn't know what the hell to

777
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 2: do about it.

778
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: I mean, people are going through lining up with.

779
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 2: The line of scrimmage and they're not being taken care of.

780
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 2: There's no adjustment being made. It looked like from the pattern,

781
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 2: so it appeared to me that it was a combo

782
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,919
Speaker 2: platter of great scheme in this case, right calls being

783
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 2: made and then you guys executing what did you see?

784
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 7: Well, you said it perfectly. You know, it definitely helps

785
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 7: when we start getting like a two score lead because

786
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 7: we can really lay it on our opponents and continue

787
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 7: to cause that, you know, stress and frustration because of

788
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 7: all the different looks and you know pressure looks that

789
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 7: will give teams. But you know that's that's how you

790
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 7: get to those positions, is playing complimentary football, getting you know,

791
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 7: the ball to your offense. And our offense did a

792
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 7: great job at you know, capitalizing off takeaways off you know,

793
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 7: a short field. You know, they they started fast. So

794
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 7: when all those things come together like that, you know,

795
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 7: it's just a recipe for success. But you know, we

796
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 7: do a really good job at you know, showing the

797
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 7: same look, but then you know, bringing pressure, throwing in

798
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 7: a tricky two coverage, throwing in a tricky three coverage,

799
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 7: bringing outside pressure, bringing into.

800
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 3: Your pressure, all based off.

801
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 7: The same look.

802
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 3: And we call that.

803
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 7: You know, our presentations, you know, every week flow our

804
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 7: other defensive coaches they're talking about our presentations have to

805
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 7: be good on early down and on you know, second,

806
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 7: long and third down situation because you want to continue

807
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 7: to play that game of cat and mouse with your

808
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 7: opponent and you know, whoever's under center.

809
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 2: You know what's weird to me is the game you

810
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: can lose sight of some aspects of the game, just

811
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: in the basis of a final score. The Seattle game,

812
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 2: you guys lose twenty six to Oho, and you could say,

813
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 2: well give it. You know, yielding twenty six points isn't

814
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 2: necessarily a great day defensively, But that was also a

815
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 2: game where there were a lot of interceptions, and that

816
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 2: enters into it. And I felt like the defense in

817
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 2: that game had Donald you're a guy you guys know,

818
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 2: well obviously Darnald on his feels a little bit as well,

819
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 2: and that it speaks to your point, it looks different

820
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 2: or plays differently because you're not getting anything going offensively

821
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 2: where you can maybe even be more aggressive. But I

822
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: thought you guys certainly played a representative game defensively against Seattle.

823
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: How did you feel about that?

824
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 7: Yeah? I think we did too. You know, really, I

825
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 7: think majority of the season, give or take a couple

826
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 7: of games, for majority of those football games, we've played

827
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 7: pretty good defense, and I think even the stats and

828
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 7: data would back that up. But the one thing, you know,

829
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 7: if you just want to focus on the deep other

830
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 7: side of the ball, that's been missing this year, yeah,

831
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 7: has been the takeaways. And we are very disruptive, disruptive

832
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 7: and getting takeaways last year. We haven't been able to

833
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 7: attain those goals this year. And you know, when we

834
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 7: were not taking the ball away, uh, you know, that's

835
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 7: just giving the offense, uh, your offensive opponent more opportunities,

836
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 7: and it's it's keeping your own offense on the sideline.

837
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 7: So against Washington, you know, we were able to take

838
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 7: the ball away and and it was a beautiful thing

839
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 7: where offense was able to capitalize when we did. And

840
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 7: that's why we were able to you know, run away

841
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 7: with that game.

842
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: No question about that. You know you missed was it?

843
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 1: Was it a month or a month in change?

844
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 7: Right?

845
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 2: With with the with the muscle pull hammy? I believe

846
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 2: games the four games? Okay, So how tell me look

847
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 2: looking back on that? What's that whole process? Like you're

848
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 2: I like most players are all players. I guess you

849
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 2: want to play and it's but it's I feel like

850
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 2: it's the kind of injury you can't rush or you

851
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 2: could end up making things worse. What's that whole process?

852
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 2: And how separated from the team does any player feel

853
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 2: when they're out for that that amount of time.

854
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,760
Speaker 7: You know, when you go on IR, you're on somewhat

855
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 7: of a different schedule as the rest of the team

856
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 7: because your main focus is to get healthy, get your

857
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,479
Speaker 7: body and be ready to go. You know right away

858
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 7: when you come off IR to you know, help your

859
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 7: football team win games. But you know, as somebody, that's

860
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 7: when I am on the field the green dot and

861
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 7: and being a linebacker, I'm still in meetings as much

862
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 7: as I can be in and you know, studying the

863
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 7: game plan because you know, just because I'm not playing,

864
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 7: I can you know help the guys that are having

865
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 7: to take on a new role or a bigger role.

866
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 7: So you know, you want to, like you said earlier,

867
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:47,720
Speaker 7: continue to be a professional and you know, add value

868
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 7: where you can to the football team. But you know,

869
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 7: missing games is very frustrated. As players. We put in

870
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 7: a lot of time and effort, and we always say,

871
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 7: you know, they pay us to practice, not play, because

872
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 7: we love game day. That's where that that inner spirit

873
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 7: of when you're you know, a child playing this game

874
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 7: and where you first got to love you You start

875
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 7: feeling those feelings every Sunday because of the love and

876
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 7: passion we have for it. But you're right with with

877
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 7: any soft tissue injury, you have to be very diligent

878
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 7: about your recovery and rehab process because if you're not careful,

879
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 7: those are the type of injuries that can linger and

880
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 7: uh easy to reaggravate as the season goes on, and

881
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 7: that's not good for you, that's not good for the

882
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 7: football team.

883
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: Play Cashman kind of to join us.

884
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 2: There's a couple more things with him. Harrison Smith gets

885
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 2: another interception yesterday, and what struck me was the conversations

886
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 2: he had with the reporters in the locker room, very emotional,

887
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 2: and he's he's gotten I feel like more that way,

888
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 2: it's almost as if he knows he's closer to the

889
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: end than the beginning, and and that that's sort of

890
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 2: sort of setting in with him, that's kind of hitting him.

891
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: What are your observations on Obviously, at all time, Viking

892
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 2: is great and the way he sorts sort of is

893
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 2: sort of dealing with things these days.

894
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 7: You know, I think he you know, handles or at

895
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 7: least in my two years now playing with him, he's

896
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 7: he handles everything as you would expect a future Hall

897
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 7: of Famer to handle things, whether it be a lot

898
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 7: of success or failures. But you know, he's a guy

899
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 7: that he's a face and leader of this football team,

900
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 7: a guy with a lot of experience and knowledge of

901
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 7: the game. And so especially when times get tough, you know,

902
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 7: a lot of players in our locker room, even coaches

903
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 7: you know, lean on him and want to get his opinion,

904
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 7: his two cents on things, because he is such an

905
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 7: important piece of his football team. And I think you know,

906
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 7: with it with you know his like you said, you

907
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 7: know the possibility of you know, his playing day is

908
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 7: coming to an end. You know, he's trying to, you know,

909
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 7: not take a moment for granted, because as football players,

910
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:12,720
Speaker 7: we can always talk about you know that that bond,

911
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 7: the camaraderie you have, you know in the locker room.

912
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 7: You can never replicate that anywhere else. And you know,

913
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 7: those are the moments you're gonna you know, look back

914
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 7: on and and miss the most. So you know, he's

915
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 7: he just continues to embrace every moment, to enjoy his

916
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 7: time with with us and the coaches, and continues to

917
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 7: put his best foot forward no matter what our win

918
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 7: lost columns look like.

919
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,240
Speaker 2: I think you're twenty nine years old. I assume that's

920
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 2: still too young to think about your football mortality or

921
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 2: is it?

922
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 6: Uh?

923
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 7: You know I like to think I'm I age, Like fine,

924
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 7: why but yeah, you know the reality of it though,

925
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 7: is uh you know, I probably got less football ahead

926
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 7: than I do. Yeah behind me, you know, but you know,

927
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 7: I just take every every week and every season as

928
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 7: a blessing and uh, it's appreciative I get to still

929
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 7: play this this game and have this job at my age,

930
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 7: and you know, you just you can't you can't lose

931
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 7: sight of that. And that's something that you know, guys

932
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 7: like myself. Are you have to keep doing that self

933
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 7: talk when things get tough, because you know, at the

934
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 7: end of the day, Yeah, it's it sucks where we

935
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 7: expected to be, you know, in the in the playoff

936
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 7: picture right now. But you know, I still get to

937
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 7: wake up every day and go play football for a job,

938
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 7: and uh, that's what I've always wanted, That's what I

939
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 7: want to continue to do. So I just have a

940
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 7: lot of great appreciation for it.

941
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: Very well said.

942
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 2: We appreciate the time and good luck the rest of

943
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 2: the season. Thanks again, Blake.

944
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 7: Thank you really appreciate Blake.

945
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 2: Cashman, Vikings linebacker, kind enough to join us on a

946
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 2: Monday afternoon Bratchew Brian Kafan text line is.

947
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, it's going pretty steadily right now.

948
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 2: A lot of good stuff, some of it related to

949
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 2: college football and the playoffs and who's in and who's not.

950
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 2: Some reacting to the Vikings victory the Monday night game tonight,

951
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 2: I believe is Eagles Chargers. Correct, Yeah, we picked that

952
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 2: one on Friday, didn't we. I think we just part

953
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 2: of the pick. I believe he is. I believe he well,

954
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's been officially announced, but when

955
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 2: I've been watching him on the field. It certainly looks

956
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:38,919
Speaker 2: like he's given it a go, but who knows.

957
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: I can't miss him. Well, if there's yeah, a fun

958
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: that's true.

959
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 2: A final reading on that, I'm not exactly sure it's

960
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,879
Speaker 2: a game I'm assuming we won't have on the fan

961
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 2: because we got wild hockey.

962
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 5: We will until about eight forty five. Oh okay, then

963
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 5: we switch off. And you saw me in the score

964
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 5: a little bit earlier. I was cutting a liner, as

965
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,959
Speaker 5: we say in the business, to tell people that thank

966
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 5: you for listening to Monday and Football right here on

967
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,479
Speaker 5: the fan. You can follow it on kfaan plus ninety

968
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 5: six points seven. Now here's Kevin Faulness. It's wild cracking.

969
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 5: Even better, short pregame show again for Falmas. I assume

970
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 5: like the.

971
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,919
Speaker 1: Team minutes probably fifteen there.

972
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,399
Speaker 2: My favorite was nineteen sixty six, Michigan State of Notre

973
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 2: Dame were co champions after their two ten ten tie.

974
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with the tie.

975
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 2: Sometimes well, I don't think they ended up being co

976
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 2: champions because I believe later that season, and again that

977
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 2: was all ratings back in those days. I believe that season,

978
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 2: at least one of the ratings services I've always ap

979
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 2: or the coaches picked Notre Dame because they finished the season,

980
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 2: I want to say, crushing USC, like fifty one to nothing.

981
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 2: And this was when USC was good, and I think

982
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 2: one of them ended up picking Notre Dame.

983
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: Am I wrong?

984
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 5: The final coaches poll, Yeah, had Notre Dame, right, Okay,

985
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 5: that's it. Yeah, Michigan State number ten two and then

986
00:50:58,160 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 5: I don't know about the other one.

987
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 2: Maybe the other one did, but I I that that

988
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 2: not only is a game we've talked about before. We've

989
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 2: had a guest in studio who played in that game.

990
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 2: The great Alan Page participated in ten to ten and

991
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,720
Speaker 2: still one of the craziest stories. Yeah, I'm still angrier

992
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 2: with the tie and his coach settling for a tie.

993
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 5: He is, that's what's crazy about But that's why he's

994
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 5: allan Paige, we're not and we're not, that's exactly or bothered.

995
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 5: And he said, well, that's what the coach wanted to do,

996
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 5: and yeah, there was a we were fine with it.

997
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 2: There was a gamble to not doing it that way,

998
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 2: and we're you know what if we'd have lost thirteen

999
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 2: to ten, Dan, by the way, Notre Dame did not

1000
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 2: participate in bowl games from nineteen twenty five through nineteen

1001
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 2: sixty eight.

1002
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 5: According to this Wikipedia, I'm assuming it was academics. Remember

1003
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 5: that's yeah, remembering Ohio State turned down a Rose Bowl

1004
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 5: one time because the professor is the school said no,

1005
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 5: we're not doing that.

1006
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,439
Speaker 1: Goodbye. But think about it now, think goodbye. Right, that's

1007
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: how it used to be.

1008
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 5: So what they're doing now basically taking their ball and

1009
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 5: saying we're not playing in the the pop tart ball,

1010
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 5: which was the ball they were going to go toes.

1011
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 5: Did you see did you see that ad on dan

1012
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 5: Patrick Todell? Whatzele tweet it because it's such a great

1013
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 5: Wetzel line, But it's a direct quote from the ad

1014
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 5: nothing against pop tarts?

1015
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:11,720
Speaker 1: How stupid?

1016
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 5: College football is nothing against pop tarts, But we're not

1017
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 5: doing the game.

1018
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 2: You know what was on Turner Classic Movies just within

1019
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 2: the last three or four days, Kanute Rockney, Oh yeah,

1020
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 2: all American, the famous film black and white film and

1021
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 2: going going back a century probably and it it did

1022
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 2: indicate a very different time in college football back in

1023
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 2: the I think he coached in the twenties and thirties,

1024
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 2: didn't he Canute sounds right and he wasn't Newt, at

1025
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 2: least to his friends or his associates, a notre name.

1026
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: He was Canut. I never knew that.

1027
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 2: I don't know what the you know what he how

1028
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 2: he pronounced it, and you also know that he died

1029
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 2: in a plane crash. I do think I knew that

1030
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 2: Rockney All American is a great movie. I get bored

1031
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 2: featuring a young up and coming actor named Ronald Ray.

1032
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: Didn't that craziest of you know? All right, let's get

1033
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: caught up.

1034
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 2: We got some more Vikings talking points to discuss, and

1035
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 2: we'll get back to the college football controversy on who's

1036
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 2: in who's out in the post scenes.

1037
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:12,720
Speaker 1: There's nothing like live hockey.

1038
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,000
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1039
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1040
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1041
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1042
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 2: Dan Minnesota's retweeted a piece of film from nineteen sixty six,

1043
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 2: and it's it's being shown now because it matches. Apparently

1044
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 2: Vikings Cowboys as a nineteen sixty six loss at the

1045
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 2: Cotton Bowl.

1046
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: But the video is remarkable in that.

1047
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 2: It does, as it says via the account Vike Fans,

1048
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,479
Speaker 2: we show people who are too young to have seen

1049
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 2: him what scrambling from fran Targanton look like a remarkable

1050
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 2: seventeen point two five seconds before.

1051
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 1: He completed the pass.

1052
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 2: And it is astonishing because he literally goes from one

1053
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 2: side of the backfield to the other side of the backfield,

1054
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 2: back to the other side of the backfield, and in fact,

1055
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 2: what he's rolling to the right, he cocks his arm

1056
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 2: like he's gonna throw it, then brings the ball back

1057
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 2: to his body, goes all the way back across the

1058
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 2: field before he actually throws the pass, and it's a

1059
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 2: completion at the risk of making the PST. You know

1060
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 2: the quarterback right now who reminds me the most of

1061
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 2: Targenton regarding his capability, and it's Caleb Williams. I see

1062
00:54:56,719 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 2: a little of Caleb Williams in him in and he

1063
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,280
Speaker 2: showed some of that in the Green Bay game where

1064
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 2: he even by modern you know, running quarterback standards, it

1065
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,320
Speaker 2: was just absurd how he was getting out of sacks

1066
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 2: and targeted was a master at doing exactly that. Now

1067
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 2: we talked about Sir Francis Sunday because did you hear

1068
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 2: about his comments during a w f AN interview. No, so,

1069
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 2: I don't know if he was hawking something because this

1070
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 2: was in studio. I think it was with Boomer.

1071
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 5: Okay, and somehow he probably was the that's what he does,

1072
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 5: which is fine, that's fair.

1073
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:34,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's absolutely fine. Yeah.

1074
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 2: But what's interesting was he was musing about he was

1075
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 2: a quarterback for three of the four Viking Super Bowl losses,

1076
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 2: and he was musing that one of the regrets he

1077
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:53,359
Speaker 2: has is that Bud did not believe in any practicing

1078
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 2: in that dead week in between, you know, the two

1079
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 2: week stretch between many super end of the playoffs in

1080
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. Interesting week one, fran Is claiming Bud never practiced,

1081
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 2: the team never practiced, and he's trying to hold out

1082
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 2: of that as maybe a partial explanation for how badly

1083
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 2: the Vikings played in those Super Bowls. Now, what was

1084
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 2: really interesting was he also said that he was responsible,

1085
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 2: he was responsible for putting in the offense most weeks,

1086
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 2: but that he didn't put in the offense for any

1087
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 2: of those Super Bowl weeks because he was in Atlanta

1088
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 2: because the team was off.

1089
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: Now there's a lot of questions that follow up.

1090
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 2: To ask him, I would say, including, well, you didn't

1091
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 2: have to leave I mean United State. And secondly, how

1092
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 2: does the late great Jerry Burns feel about it? He

1093
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 2: is he turning over in his grave saying, wait a minute,

1094
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 2: I did have a lot to do with that offense too,

1095
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 2: so I don't know it. You know, targeted had very

1096
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 2: poor numbers postseason in the in the super Bowl, one

1097
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 2: of those he has allegedly hurt his arm was was

1098
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 2: not in good shape, but he did not have very

1099
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 2: good numbers. I think for the three games combined, he's

1100
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 2: like one touchdown, six picks, and his quarterback rating was

1101
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy like to be honest with you before yesterday,

1102
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 2: before yes before it all turned But you know, I

1103
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 2: do think it's it's a little weird to not practice

1104
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 2: at all. I will say that although that was a

1105
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 2: long time ago, even though we know the Bud philosophy

1106
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 2: was less is more, But I also think that might

1107
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:37,959
Speaker 2: be moved too simple an explanation all these decades later

1108
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 2: for explaining the team's difficulties in those games.

1109
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 5: He has talked, he talked with you about the offense

1110
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 5: that he and Burnsy put together together. I do remember

1111
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 5: that vividly that he at least tried to take partial

1112
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 5: credit at that point with Burnsey for what they did

1113
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 5: offensively and how they came up with it and how

1114
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 5: they developed it and how they nurtured it.

1115
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 2: So that you know, that's one of the mistakes I made.

1116
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I ever asked Burns see that question.

1117
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:03,439
Speaker 2: How much did Fran have to do?

1118
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: I wonder. I don't think I ever. I bet you

1119
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: I never had.

1120
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 5: Last time we had burnsy on was around the time

1121
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 5: that we had Fran on, so it may have come up.

1122
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not.

1123
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 2: Even sure it ever came up with Bud on how

1124
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 2: I know we talked about Fran, but I don't know

1125
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 2: that we ever talked about Fran in context of what

1126
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 2: it was the offense.

1127
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: Those I think about, you know, what a what a

1128
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: you know regret.

1129
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 2: I have that because I would have loved to hear hurt,

1130
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 2: to have heard both of their answers.

1131
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 5: Yes, Buds and Burns. I can envision both of them

1132
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 5: in my head. Yes, having a different version. Yes, I

1133
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 5: think you're probably Fran. The non practicing thing is interesting

1134
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 5: because now the whole cliche now is and That's what

1135
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 5: I love about just sports and sports media is that

1136
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 5: as time goes on, like right now, I'm gonna say

1137
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 5: this tomorrow on pairing to Spare. One of my favorite

1138
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 5: things about being a Heisman voter is this week you

1139
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 5: have to say it's a requirement, you have to say

1140
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 5: our vote. We're due on Monday. We're not allowed to

1141
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 5: say who we voted for until it's you'll hear that

1142
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 5: fifty times this week and more than that, if you

1143
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 5: listen to any college football stuff, we can't tell you

1144
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 5: who we voted for, okay until it's out. Once it's out,

1145
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 5: and we can tell you like anybody cares like it's

1146
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 5: just my favorite little side thing. I can't tell you

1147
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 5: who I voted for. But super Bowl, the super Bowl covers.

1148
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 5: Now it's well, the team is going to get most

1149
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 5: of their practicing done on site in the in the

1150
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 5: open week, because once you get to the super Bowl

1151
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 5: practicing you can do. It's madness, it's chaos, worried about

1152
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 5: family ticket. You got to make sure you get your

1153
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 5: family right. But that's that's why the what Franz said

1154
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 5: to me is interesting. Then that they had the off

1155
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 5: week and that they first of all. I just I

1156
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 5: it does sound like Bud that they you know, he

1157
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 5: probably wanted to go ice fishing. That does sound right,

1158
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,439
Speaker 5: But why would the players leave for an extended period

1159
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 5: of time.

1160
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1161
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 2: That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Check a

1162
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 2: couple of you said we ought to check with Chuck Foreman,

1163
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 2: and we could. That's very true, it's not, but you

1164
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 2: haven't had Chuck on it.

1165
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 1: Right now.

1166
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 5: I'm thinking I'm laughing about it all of that. I'm

1167
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 5: hearing all of their responses to all of this because

1168
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 5: we've had them on so long.

1169
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 2: It's true, that might be, it might be kind of fun.

1170
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 2: We do have a little more. We got some more

1171
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 2: vikings talking points to get to our final half hour.

1172
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 2: The program will also let you know what's coming up

1173
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 2: later tonight on the fan. It's kind of a busy

1174
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 2: sports night, both locally for our local teams and nationally

1175
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 2: in the National Football League as well, so we'll keep

1176
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 2: you abreast there. When we were Oh, I thought maybe

1177
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 2: you had something. I'll just let those those fifty little announcements.

1178
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, once you hit the mic line, though, I let's

1179
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 5: see your MIC's on. I usually lay out, okay, I

1180
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:55,959
Speaker 5: could tell you that you could experience world class hockey

1181
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 5: in Minnesota. I don't see why not the twenty twenty

1182
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 5: six IIHF World Junior Showcase, the future stars of the

1183
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 5: game and an unforgettable tournament. And you can secure your

1184
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 5: seats now at mnsportsanevents dot org and be part of

1185
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 5: hockey history.

1186
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 2: Justin Herbert is cleared and is scheduled to start for

1187
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 2: the Los Angeles Chargers of San Diego tonight Monday night

1188
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 2: football in Los Angeles, right next to the Fabulous Forum

1189
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 2: in Inglewood against the Philadelphia Eagles. There you have it, Chargers,

1190
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 2: a team I can't really get a handle on, and

1191
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 2: Eagles and they sometimes they're both champions. Yeah, that's it

1192
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 2: might seem a little bit strange real quick before we

1193
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 2: get to another talking point or two. Did my Hoosiers

1194
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 2: receive a good draw? I think they have to play

1195
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 2: the winner of Alabama Oklahoma?

1196
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 1: Correct?

1197
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 2: I think that's who IU plays it Indiana gets a bye,

1198
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 2: and then I believe that's.

1199
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 1: Who they would they would play in their.

1200
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 2: First game, second round of the tournament, with their first

1201
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 2: game in the Rose Bowl. Yeah, by the way, you

1202
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 2: got to go to that. It's too much work. I

1203
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 2: think it's working all. I love being in the Barker.

1204
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 2: You know me, Alabama, what do we do? I mean,

1205
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 2: Alabama doesn't scare me. I don't think. But Bozich told

1206
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 2: me Oklahoma. Oklahoma's defense is outstanding. Yeah, yeah, I mean,

1207
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 2: if I'm looking.

1208
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 5: Seeing who else, I'd probably prefer the winner of Old

1209
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 5: Miss and Tulane, which is who Georgia gets.

1210
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 1: Is that true? Yeah, that's annoying. How'd that hall? That's

1211
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 1: because of the way the ranks just work.

1212
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, and if you recall part of the reason why

1213
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 5: they changed it this year with the non power for

1214
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 5: conference champions. Remember last year like Boise State gotta buy,

1215
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 5: I think Arizona State gotta buy. They got rid of

1216
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 5: that because Oregon at the Rose Bowl had to play

1217
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 5: like eight seed Ohio State first round after being the

1218
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 5: number one overall team. So I would kind of say, no,

1219
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 5: they didn't get a great draw given. Yeah, it's Miami,

1220
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 5: Texas A and m that will play Ohio State.

1221
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 2: I think that one's going to be in Dallas. But

1222
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 2: you gotta do what you gotta do. I guess either

1223
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 2: either you're good enough to handle it or not. That's

1224
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 2: true at some point. There's some truth to that too,

1225
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 2: although I might be scanting a different story they if

1226
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 2: they end up losing, but that parts one hundred percent true.

1227
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 2: We got more vikings talking points to discuss, including this

1228
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 2: one we like to call channeling.

1229
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 1: KOC. That'll be a gain of two yards.

1230
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 8: That'll make it second and goal from the two for

1231
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 8: the Washington Commanders.

1232
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 9: But you mentioned the success that the Commanders have had

1233
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 9: in the red zone, and that's just because of the

1234
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 9: running game right third in the league going into this

1235
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 9: game six on a per play basis, Rodriguez averaging ten

1236
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 9: yards of carry on this opening drive. It's no mystery.

1237
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 9: What makes you better as a red zone offense when

1238
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 9: your run threat is true. They have an extra offensive

1239
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 9: lineman checked in at tight end, so probably another.

1240
01:03:57,760 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 1: Run right here.

1241
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 8: That's Brandon Coleman to the left to left tackle Laramie

1242
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 8: Tunsls second in goal offset I right play action. Daniels

1243
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 8: floats out to the left. Now he's gonna loop it

1244
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 8: and throw it into the tunnel out of the end zone.

1245
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 1: Third down.

1246
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 9: Now, when you're averaging eight yards of carry as Rodriguez,

1247
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 9: to go ahead and throw the football, I mean they

1248
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 9: tried to trick us. A great job by Byron Murphy Junior,

1249
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 9: just snipping that thing out in the past.

1250
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 8: The Brandon Coleman went in complete third and goal for

1251
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 8: Washington from the one. Jadan Daniels out of the shotgun

1252
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 8: Rodriguez to his left. Daniels takes the snap on third down.

1253
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 8: He'll roll out to the right eyes in the end zone.

1254
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 8: He's encountered and he throws it away and now trailing

1255
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 8: seven zero with two forty six pe goal in the

1256
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 8: first quarter. The Commanders have a fourth and goal from

1257
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 8: the one. Two receivers left Daniel's empty backfield, three receivers

1258
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 8: right now takes the snap on fourth down, bounces around,

1259
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 8: fires to the end zone an deepo Samuel back center

1260
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 8: of the end zone, putting hold onto it. Josh a

1261
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 8: woman tell us with excellent coverage kind of vikings have

1262
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 8: turned over the Commanders on downs.

1263
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 1: It's amazing.

1264
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 2: It really is uncanny how often these these geniuses can

1265
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 2: outsmart themselves. And you heard it from versus, basically foreshadowing

1266
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 2: the whole thing. Eight yards of carry. They got an

1267
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 2: extra tight end coming in. Run the ball. Look again,

1268
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 2: you don't have to run it on every down, but

1269
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 2: don't you have to run it on one of those,

1270
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 2: if not two or three of those, and maybe it

1271
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 2: wouldn't have mattered because they really were not very competitive

1272
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 2: from that point forward.

1273
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 1: But any chance they had to be in the ball game,

1274
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 1: that was it. I mean, that was it. It's seven.

1275
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 8: You know.

1276
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 2: Even Blake Cashman said when you get up fourteen to nothing,

1277
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 2: we can play with our toys even more, and that

1278
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 2: we can throw stuff around and we can be even

1279
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 2: more aggressive, and we can, you know, be a little

1280
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 2: bit more daring try those things. There's I think there's

1281
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 2: a lot of truth to that, especially with the way

1282
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 2: Beflow wants to play defense. So we'll never know if

1283
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 2: it would have changed at seven to seven. It was

1284
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 2: just it was uncanny to me that soliloquy that Burst's

1285
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 2: just had. I kept it all in there because I

1286
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 2: don't remember which game it was. He had the exact

1287
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 2: same soliloquy about Kevin O'Connell about the Vikings.

1288
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 1: At some point this season.

1289
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 5: It was one of the one of the weeks where

1290
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 5: run the ball was a talking point. It could have

1291
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 5: been three or four of them. I remember doing that

1292
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 5: a lot, but it was the same thing, like, yeah,

1293
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 5: we're running the ball. Let's get right up here. This

1294
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 5: is a running situation, got another tight end, let's go

1295
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 5: and then Pa says McCarthy back to pass. It's just

1296
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Speaker 5: you can't make it. That's the whole thing up. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: and Bersich obviously sees the game clearly, so I'm sure

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Speaker 5: he's pleasantly stunned when Washington does that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 2: It really did look like Koc the the old Koc was.

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01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:53,439
Speaker 2: Was was almost like, Okay, well, if I can't call

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Speaker 2: the game for my team the way I want to,

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01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 2: let me at least call it for the other team

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Speaker 2: the way I want to, and then I, you know,

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01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 2: might enjoy myself a little bit more. So we'll, uh,

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01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 2: we'll agree that that even as it was happening, yep,

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01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 2: not after the fact, even though it was happening, You're going, really,

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01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 2: who is the big guys the Rodriguez I think that

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01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 2: was his name. They had a big lummocks of a

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01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 2: running back who looked like a battering ram for God's sake, yep.

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01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 2: And again, over the course of the game, he didn't

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01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 2: stay as effective as he was early. But it's just

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01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 2: it's just a very bad look for Washington.

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Speaker 5: You know why, though. You know why they're doing it.

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Speaker 5: Their offensive coordinator forty six year old, Yes, great BMI.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Clift Kingsbury. You're right. The BMI boys can help them.

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01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 5: He's the old Texas tech you know, air raids, sling

1318
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 5: it all around quarterback former head coach Cardinals correct, like

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01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 5: they can't help themselves.

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Speaker 1: The BMI boys love to sling it. There's a hundred

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01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 1: that's one hundred percent true.

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Speaker 2: We were talking with the Cashman about Hitman who got

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Speaker 2: an interception. Read the play perfectly bad trow but a

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Speaker 2: great re as well.

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Speaker 8: It is second and nine for Washington Mariota going out

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Speaker 8: of the shotgun. Deebo Samuel in the backfield flexes out

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01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 8: to the left Mariota, He's going to throw to the left.

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Speaker 6: In intercepting by Harrison Smith had a hit Man.

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01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 8: Turns it up to the forty and he's taken down

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Speaker 8: at the thirty six yard line. That is the thirty

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01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 8: eighth interception in Harrison Smith's story career, meaning he has

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01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:30,839
Speaker 8: passed Joey Browner her sole possession of fourth all time

1333
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Speaker 8: in the annals of Minnesota Vikings history.

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01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 2: My sources say the place was not full and it

1335
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 2: was clear on the basis of even watching from the

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01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 2: barka that the folks were kind of tired and bored

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01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 2: and disinterested early.

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01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:55,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it almost was we're waiting to shower.

1339
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 2: Booze down upon you, and then they were like disappointed

1340
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 2: that they couldn't because the team was dominating. We're playing well,

1341
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 2: or yeah, we're actually in good shape, we're running the balls.

1342
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:08,080
Speaker 2: It didn't look like the atmosphere that we associate with

1343
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:10,679
Speaker 2: Minnesota Vikings football, and that makes sense.

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01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 1: It does make sense.

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01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 5: It's not about the atmosphere was appropriate for how the

1346
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 5: last month has gone.

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01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 1: Searing can be hard, just like in the predictions.

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01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't imagine being super on fire to be

1349
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 5: at the game when you've got four and eight versus

1350
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 5: three and nine. Right, that's not what you signed up for.

1351
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 5: That's not what anybody signed up for. It that it's

1352
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 5: tough on everybody. So that makes a ton of sense.

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01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:34,719
Speaker 5: Can you get the breaking news sounder?

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01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:37,800
Speaker 2: By the way, that's too good if it's true and

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01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 2: it's espian so it.

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01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 1: Must be Oh my gosh, Yeah, I just saw a

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01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 1: tweet about this.

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01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:47,720
Speaker 2: The Indianapolis Colts will work out Philip Rivers tomorrow in

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01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 2: the Lake Rivers news that your guy Daniel Jones is

1360
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 2: out with an achilles another achilles?

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01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:53,759
Speaker 1: Philip?

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01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 2: How old is Philip Rivers? How long has he been

1363
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:57,760
Speaker 2: out of the game? Was he just out last year?

1364
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 2: Was that the was that the only season? Has it

1365
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 2: been out two years?

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01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 8: Are?

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01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:03,720
Speaker 5: I feel like it's two? How many people do you

1368
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 5: think are googling Philip Rivers right.

1369
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:09,879
Speaker 2: Now after this very last played in twenty twenty, according

1370
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 2: to ESPN, last played in the NFL five years ago?

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01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 2: This is this is like a Jeff George kind of story,

1372
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,599
Speaker 2: isn't it It is? He's only forty four, he still

1373
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:23,599
Speaker 2: got you know, he's got an arm. Oh yeah, it's

1374
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 2: never been the issue with Phil Rivers. No, God, it's

1375
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 2: hard not to root for that story, isn't is it?

1376
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 2: I mean, that'd be great, even if it ends up

1377
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 2: being a disaster. It would add a little curiosity to

1378
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 2: the Colts, who seem to be a little bit in

1379
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 2: free fault.

1380
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 1: At this point, we've got a.

1381
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:47,759
Speaker 2: One more Vikings talking point to discuss, and one Texter

1382
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 2: who says that I got it all wrong yet again,

1383
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 2: regarding the number of people in the seats and the

1384
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 2: crowd enthusiasm. So we'll address all of that and that

1385
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 2: last point when we returned.

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Speaker 5: Show rap presented by American Pressure commercial grade Pressure washers

1387
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 5: since nineteen seventy five.

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01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 1: It's the bumper to bumper show wrap.

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01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:15,719
Speaker 2: This is an interesting theory being offered up by someone

1390
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 2: who said he was there a pretty full definitely n

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01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 2: one hundred percentful. Part of the reason the crowd, or

1392
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 2: at least I wasn't into it early, was because McCarthy

1393
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 2: wasn't very good from the get go. Terrible throw to

1394
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:30,640
Speaker 2: Addison right before the first TD. Then the TD was

1395
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 2: late and behind him, making it harder than it needed

1396
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 2: to be. So yeah, it was great to get a

1397
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 2: TD and drive one, but it's becoming increasingly concerning for

1398
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,720
Speaker 2: JJ as a as a fan, more concerned about next

1399
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 2: year than this year.

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01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:43,720
Speaker 1: They call me negative. Yeah, I don't know what to

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01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 1: tell you.

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01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 2: I thought he looked especially compared to how he had looked,

1403
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 2: relatively sharp, precise. Like I said earlier, I would call

1404
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 2: it more of an adult quarterback performance, even if it

1405
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:58,759
Speaker 2: wasn't particularly flashy and not perfect.

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01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 1: But I mean, what do I know? I do we

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01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 1: have time for what that last talking point, Yeah, we've

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01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 1: got about six seven minutes here.

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01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 2: It's under that classification of turnovers and takeaways which we

1410
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 2: talked about with Blake Cashman, who acknowledged, though we've one

1411
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 2: thing we haven't done enough of defensively this year is

1412
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 2: is taking the ball away, and certainly the offense has

1413
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 2: given it away too much.

1414
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 1: And then the Commanders came to town.

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01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:27,840
Speaker 8: Fourth and three from the Pikings nineteen three receivers left

1416
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:31,559
Speaker 8: and one to the right. Jalen Daniels clapping for the

1417
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:33,040
Speaker 8: ball three on the play clock, gets a.

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01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 3: Drows loop right clip that is.

1419
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 1: Picked up by Andrew can't.

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01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 6: Go and he goes steon into the fifteenth to the forty,

1421
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 6: been sign the thirty and that's where he's taken down.

1422
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 1: The chick is on fire with.

1423
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 8: This first interception this season. Second and nine for Washington,

1424
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 8: Mariota going out with the shotgun. Deebo Samuel in the backfield,

1425
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 8: flexes out to the left. Mariota he's gonna throw to

1426
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 8: the left and.

1427
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 6: Intercept in by Harrison Smith and a hit man turns

1428
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 6: it up to the forty and he's taken down at

1429
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:10,839
Speaker 6: the thirty six yard line.

1430
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 8: That is the thirty eighth interception in Harrison Smith's storied career,

1431
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:20,760
Speaker 8: meaning he has passed Joey Browner her sole possession of

1432
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:25,640
Speaker 8: fourth all time in the annals of Minnesota Vikings history.

1433
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:28,679
Speaker 6: Washington three and nine.

1434
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:30,840
Speaker 8: On third down, Nick Nichols in the game is the

1435
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:34,720
Speaker 8: back with that nice pass protection and Marcus Mariota goes

1436
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 8: out of the shotgun. It's a four man rush. The

1437
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 8: veteran sprints out to the right outside the numbers. He

1438
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 8: pumps and he turns it up at the twenty ball

1439
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:43,719
Speaker 8: popped out.

1440
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 1: But is it a recovered fumble by Javon Harvrave.

1441
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 8: Yes, it is jay Von Harvrave recovered to fumble. The

1442
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 8: Vikings are plus three in the take give and they're

1443
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 8: doing all of that with a thirty one zero lead

1444
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 8: middle of a fourth quarter.

1445
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 1: It's a simpler game, isn't it.

1446
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 2: We all know that when you're up three or three

1447
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 2: to zero in the takeaway turnover department as supposed being

1448
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 2: down oh three. You know, I just happened to notice

1449
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 2: next to the talking Pointsami part Okay, that might have

1450
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 2: been one of my favorite tsunamis of all time was

1451
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:33,840
Speaker 2: that last year.

1452
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 5: It had to have been potatoes back they're still around.

1453
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:38,559
Speaker 5: I had some last week I.

1454
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 2: Think we needed that inspiration to get back in the

1455
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 2: Snownami mode. We missed one already that was at least callable,

1456
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:46,280
Speaker 2: And I think if we're.

1457
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 1: Going to get I guess the questions were they going

1458
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 1: to get enough.

1459
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:52,640
Speaker 2: Snow any of these days that it'll amount to an

1460
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 2: amount that will make it. I guess, you know, justifiable

1461
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:00,599
Speaker 2: to name a snami because we need one, don't.

1462
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 5: We yea, and tonight the snow is less than half

1463
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 5: an inch accumulation possible, same thing tomorrow one to three

1464
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 5: maybe tomorrow all right, and then one to two for

1465
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 5: tomorrow night, So to mostly we could do it.

1466
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:14,479
Speaker 2: It may get yeah, may end up being enough to

1467
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:16,720
Speaker 2: where we can have some fun with that.

1468
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:17,639
Speaker 1: For for sure.

1469
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:22,320
Speaker 2: Hitman looked like he felt bad. He had to intercept that.

1470
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:27,200
Speaker 2: Washington looks so disinterested at that point, it was almost sheepish.

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01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 5: Well, so Drew Brees is trying to explain where Mariota

1472
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 5: was going. Yes, I don't think Drew Brees was correct.

1473
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:36,759
Speaker 5: I don't think he knew. He's like he was looking

1474
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 5: for the deep curl around. There was nobody there.

1475
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 1: There's nobody there that I could see.

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01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:44,040
Speaker 5: There was nobody in the vicinity I don't think that's

1477
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 5: how bad of a throw it was, well, but you

1478
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:49,680
Speaker 5: gotta take him. You got to catch the ones that

1479
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 5: they throw together. That's also true, which we haven't always

1480
01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 5: been very good at doing. I want to thank an

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01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 5: outstanding a ray of guests today that included John Athletic

1482
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 5: at three thirty if you like to podcast the show later,

1483
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:05,400
Speaker 5: Ben Lieber usual time for forty seven, and Blake Cashman,

1484
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:09,639
Speaker 5: Vikings linebacker joined us. Had a nice conversation with him

1485
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 5: at about five fifteen today. Tomorrow is usually a Luigi day,

1486
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 5: but Louie is going to join us this week on Wednesday,

1487
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:21,799
Speaker 5: so tomorrow. Right now we have Kevin Seffert and working

1488
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 5: on a couple of other possibilities as well on the

1489
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 5: Tuesday show. I also want to give you some programming

1490
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:31,639
Speaker 5: reminders for tonight on the Fan when once we wrap

1491
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 5: up in a matter of minutes here, Vikings rewind will

1492
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:38,599
Speaker 5: follow as is usual, and then you'll hear the start

1493
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 5: of Monday Night football on the Flagship, and that is

1494
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:47,640
Speaker 5: Chargers hosting the Philadelphia Eagles. Then there will be an

1495
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 5: abrupt departure for Wild versus Kraken tonight and a.

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01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:56,639
Speaker 1: Fifty you think it's a fifteen minute pregame show. Yes,

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Speaker 1: what times about eight forty five.

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01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:01,960
Speaker 2: And in addition, and don't forget that if you're interested

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01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 2: in the Wolves, tonight they're hosting the Phoenix Suns and

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01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:10,000
Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards is a slated to play somebody, will you

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01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:12,839
Speaker 2: double that might not be enough time yet, that Phoenix

1502
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 2: might be down a player or two.

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01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 1: We'll double check that if we have time.

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01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:19,479
Speaker 5: They are out. Devin Booker. Booker is out. Yeah, Booker

1505
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:21,639
Speaker 5: has a right groin strings rather large.

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01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 2: But of course we've been there before where then we've

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01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:27,160
Speaker 2: relaxed for whatever reason. That game will be available to

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01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 2: you tonight via the Timberwolves channel. That's via the iHeart

1509
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:34,680
Speaker 2: Radio app, so you'll you know, you can listen to

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01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 2: whatever you want. You just have to have the app

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01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 2: and hit the presets and you're gonna be all set

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01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 2: for tonight. We went to the game Saturday, Oh good

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01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 2: for us, And that was the Wally Duck game.

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01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 1: The Wally Duck game. He was there.

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01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:48,600
Speaker 5: He did not appear too interested in throwing out the

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01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:50,640
Speaker 5: T shirts. Oh really, He threw a couple and then

1517
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 5: he was bored with hut. He was there too, Troy

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01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,720
Speaker 5: Hudson he was sitting next to was there. He was there,

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01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:57,599
Speaker 5: but it was Wally's night. He signed autographs a couple

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01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 5: of different times. But we got into our car and

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01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 5: I turned on the fan. Yeah, and it must have

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01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 5: been wild or something. Had a wild game later, and

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01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 5: I said, where's the Wolves game? I thought, because I

1524
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 5: want to hear Horton's post game and I want to

1525
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 5: hear Finchy of course. And I sat there while we

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01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 5: were waiting to get out, and I fired up the

1527
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:16,639
Speaker 5: Timberwolves channel and my Heart radio and the Wolves channels.

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Speaker 1: A preset.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to worry about signal strength any of

1530
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 2: that stuff right there, listen to Horton's three facults. We

1531
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 2: have to have internet, Yeah, you gotta have. You have

1532
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 2: to have, you know, bluetooth for the via your car whatever.

1533
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 2: How are you you get your however you consume, consume

1534
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 2: your content, not consuming.

1535
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 5: I don't know why it's all about content and consuming verticals.

1536
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 5: It sounds better. I prefer the industry is obsessed with it,

1537
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:40,439
Speaker 5: watching or.

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01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 2: Listening or whatever the case be. But I guess that's

1539
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 2: the way it necessarily has to be. Uh So we'll

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01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 2: we I've got I think an outside shot at either

1541
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:52,559
Speaker 2: Mitch Lawrence tomorrow or Sam Mitchell tomorrow. We haven't had

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01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 2: Sam on at all, I think, since the start of

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01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 2: the season, so that would be my goal. We have

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01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 2: had Mitch on I think once before, but if Sam's

1545
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 2: not available, we may go to Mitch and a couple

1546
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 2: of other things up our sleeve as well. Maybe even

1547
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:11,040
Speaker 2: might even put in a request for your guy and

1548
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:15,400
Speaker 2: my guy, lou Regoose, who's lately been offering up some

1549
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 2: interesting videos. We played one of them, there was another

1550
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 2: one today where he's I think, kind of attempting to

1551
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 2: counter clap back media narrative elsewhere via the start to

1552
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:30,679
Speaker 2: view in my former newspaper. So maybe we'll put Regoose

1553
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 2: into the mix as well, if at all possible, based

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01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 2: on his schedule. We appreciate your participation in today's program,

1555
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:39,800
Speaker 2: and we hope that you'll join us again when we

1556
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:42,640
Speaker 2: recommence start the whole thing all over again, beginning at

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Speaker 2: three o'clock. Now. For your kindness, thank you for your vision,

1558
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 2: for your spirituality, for healing me, mostly though, Dan, thank

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01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 2: you for my life