1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Boston's bulldozer never sleeps. The Kooner Report weekend edition on 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: the Voice of Boston WRKO. 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 2: Joining me now as she always does at this time, 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 2: Doctor Grace, putting liberals in their place, Grace Voto full disclosure. Yes, 5 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 2: you better believe it. I'm married up. She's my wonderful wife, Grace. 6 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 2: I know you feel so passionate about the Epstein files. 7 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 2: In a way, this is almost like a personal vindication 8 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 2: for you. You've been on a personal jihad to get 9 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 2: justice for these victims. The House passed it yesterday four 10 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 2: hundred and twenty seven to one, the Senate by unanimous consent. 11 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 2: The bill is now going to Trump's desk. He will 12 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 2: sign it later today, forcing Pam Bondi and the DOJ 13 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 2: to release the Epstein files. What's your reaction, Jeff. 14 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 3: Honestly, when I heard the news that the Senate then 15 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 3: passed it by unanimous consent, I was in the car 16 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 3: driving Ashton around to one of his sports events. I 17 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 3: was in tears. I was overjoyed. I am delighted for 18 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 3: those girls. I think this is a very simple case. 19 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 3: We have to stand with the victims, and I want 20 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 3: to see our president stand with the victims. And one 21 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 3: of the things that we have all noticed and we've 22 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 3: been shocked, is why has it been so hard for 23 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 3: President Trump to do what all of us feel instinctively 24 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 3: he should do. He should be the champion of these girls, 25 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 3: and instead he hasn't been. And the question we have 26 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 3: all pondered is why. And because we've asked that question, 27 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 3: the left is going crazy thinking, oh, it must mean 28 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 3: it's because he did old girls too, and that's false. 29 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 3: We know that that's false because the girls have said 30 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 3: he didn't do that. But something is still wrong, and 31 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 3: I want to shed light on what that possibly is. 32 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 3: Think about what Donald Trump's life was while he was 33 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 3: friends with Epstein. He was married to Marla Maples in 34 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 3: those years that he was friends with Epstein until nineteen 35 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 3: ninety seven. He divorced her in nineteen ninety nine officially, 36 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 3: but they were separated in nineteen ninety seven. So in 37 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 3: those years that he was partying with Epstein, he was 38 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 3: a married man for a portion of it, and he 39 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 3: was obviously misbehaving as a married man. Then in nineteen 40 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 3: ninety eight he married. He met Milania in nineteen ninety eight, 41 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 3: and he courted her until he married her in two 42 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 3: thousand and five. So during the height of his courtship 43 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 3: with Milania until the moment that he married her in 44 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 3: two thousand and five, what I think he doesn't want 45 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 3: to come out is that he was unfaithful. I think 46 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 3: that this is what he's hiding. He is now a 47 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 3: person who has remade his public image as a family 48 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 3: man and as somebody who later on in life found Christianity. 49 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 3: And what I think he doesn't want to come out 50 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 3: he doesn't want American school children and teenagers and the 51 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 3: history books to just record over and over again how 52 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 3: unfaithful he was. And I also think he wants to 53 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 3: spare Millennia the pain and humiliation. But during those years 54 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 3: that he was courting her, that she might have the 55 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 3: most beautiful memories of the courtship, of the engagement, of 56 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 3: the days leading up to their marriage, that he was 57 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,399 Speaker 3: a playbol even then, that his whole relationship with Milania 58 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 3: has been a big lie. 59 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 2: Well, Greg, I don't mean to cut you off, but 60 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 2: I've got a I mean, of course I'm being tongue 61 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 2: in cheek here, but have you been talking to Bill 62 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 2: and Sudbury. I mean, this is pure speculation. I mean, 63 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 2: what I'm saying is like, you know, I think this. 64 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 2: I think that I think, you know, he fears what 65 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 2: you know. First of all, there's no evidence that he 66 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 2: cheated on Marlin Maples. There's no evidence that he cheated 67 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 2: on Milania. I mean, yeah, there were rumors, but there's 68 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 2: no evidence. So that that's number one number two. So 69 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 2: I think, honestly, you're kind of you're maligning the man. 70 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you. You're maligning him, and I 71 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 2: don't think it's fair. You know, that's number one number two. 72 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 2: There's no evidence whatsoever that there's you know, a videotape 73 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 2: of him or pictures of him, or you know, having 74 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 2: sex with other women above age I mean, above the 75 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 2: age of consent. There's no evidence of any of this. 76 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 2: So this is all literally pure speculation. What we do 77 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 2: know for a fact is that he never touched an 78 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:37,799 Speaker 2: underage girl and he wasn't involved in sex trafficking. Those 79 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 2: are the two most damning things against Epstein and against 80 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 2: the people that he surrounded himself with, with these powerful, 81 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:50,559 Speaker 2: wealthy people. Now, if Trump cheated or didn't cheat, look, 82 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 2: Millennia's a big girl. You know, she knows who Trump 83 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 2: is that's between her and Trump. I don't think to 84 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 2: be honest. After there everything Trump has been through, Stormy Daniels, 85 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 2: devicious press attacks against him as a philanderer, that suddenly 86 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 2: now in twenty twenty five, Donald Trump is worried that, ooh, 87 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 2: Millania may think I cheated on her while we were married. 88 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 2: I mean that that train has left the station a 89 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 2: long time ago. So I would, all due respect, I 90 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 2: think you're barking up the wrong tree. 91 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 4: What say you listen to me, Jeff, listen to it 92 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 4: just one second. There is evidence during the Stormy Daniels trial, 93 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 4: and one thing I always disagreed with you on. 94 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 3: I thought he didn't do anything illegal, but I thought 95 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 3: he definitely slept with Stormy Daniels. There was a key 96 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 3: moment when Hope Hicks came on the stand, Hope Picks 97 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 3: loves Donald Trump and crying on the stand, she said 98 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 3: that he told her, listen, I don't want Milania to 99 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 3: see the press report about this, Okay, I don't want 100 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 3: her to see this because men think it's cool if 101 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 3: I slept with a prostitute, but women won't think it's cool. 102 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 3: So we do have evidence about some behavior that is 103 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 3: very shady with women. So this is not just your relation, Jeff. 104 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 2: This is a lie. 105 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 3: Let's just listen. You spoke, I'm speaking. Now. Listen. How 106 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 3: did his first marriage break up because he cheated on 107 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 3: the first wife with Marla Maples. This is a fact. 108 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 3: So he's been a cheater. Okay, he's been a cheater, 109 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 3: and I contend he's been a cheater his whole life. 110 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 3: But he's tried to remake his public image as much 111 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 3: more of a family man who found Christianity. But wink 112 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 3: wink with the boys, he kind of says a different 113 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 3: story and that's who this guy is. And we know that. Now, 114 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 3: this is what doesn't make sense to everybody. 115 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, but Grace, I gotta I gotta say he's not 116 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 2: running again, like you know, in terms of you know, 117 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 2: you're saying upholding his image. And the thing is, I 118 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 2: think he's just trying to protect his wife from these 119 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 2: nasty press reports. You know, I think it's not an 120 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 2: admission of guilt. It's you know, I don't want my 121 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 2: wife to read this. This is humiliating to my wife 122 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 2: because people are going to think it's true, or some 123 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 2: people are going to think it's true. But look, we've 124 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 2: got about two minutes left in the interview. I just 125 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 2: got to ask you. We started off with Jeffrey Epstein, 126 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 2: We started off with a pedophile, a globalist sex trafficking network, 127 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: and now we're down to Marla Maples and Stormy Daniels 128 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 2: and Donald Trump maybe or maybe not cheating on Millennia, Like, 129 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 2: how did we get here? I mean, the point is 130 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 2: he's going to sign the bill, so it's all going 131 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 2: to come out. So we're going to know very soon 132 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 2: what's in those files. And my question to you is, 133 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 2: do you think there's any evidence there that Donald Trump 134 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 2: did anything illegal or was involved with Epstein, whether it 135 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 2: be in trafficking young girls or in engaging and inappropriate 136 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 2: behavior with underage girls. 137 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 3: I do not think he did anything illegal, but I 138 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 3: think he conducted himself in an immoral and ungentlemanly manner. 139 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 3: And I think that's why he doesn't seem to be 140 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 3: a champion of these girls, and that's why he's been stalling. 141 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 3: That's why he's involved in a cover up, that's why 142 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 3: we've had to get him to sign this kicking and screaming. 143 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 3: That's why he's accusing Madrie Taylor Green of being a 144 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 3: quote unquote trader. I think it's because he doesn't want 145 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 3: to be embarrassed by his past behavior. But it's not illegal, 146 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 3: just immoral and sleazy. As a man who was telling 147 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 3: women that he was in an amorous relationship with a 148 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 3: different story, he doesn't want all that to come out. 149 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 3: It's embarrassing for his children, for his wife, for his grandchildren. 150 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 3: I think that's what he's hiding that. 151 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 2: M Look, let me let me ask you this. We 152 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 2: got about a minute left once these files are released, 153 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 2: and there's nothing in there about Trump sleeping with other women, 154 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 2: cheating on his wife, having amorous relationships, as you put it, 155 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 2: will you publicly apologize to Trump? Basically, I almost need 156 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 2: a yes or no answer. 157 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 3: Oh. I want him to apologize to me for calling 158 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 3: me stupid, for rappy, for the Epstein file to be released, 159 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 3: and apologize to Montrea Taylor Green for calling her a 160 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 3: trader for defending these girls. 161 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 2: Well, she's calling him a trader, I mean, you know 162 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 2: what I mean. Now, it's she's calling him a trader too, 163 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 2: now so, and she's called a lot of people traders, 164 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: so you know her hands are not clean either. Now, Look, 165 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 2: he shouldn't have said people are dumb and stupid, you know, 166 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 2: for having wanting the Epstein files to be released. That 167 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 2: was a mistake. But you know, I wouldn't take it 168 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 2: so personally, grace honestly, you know. I mean, look, I 169 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 2: wanted the Epstein files released. You know, he's basically he said, 170 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 2: I'm stupid too. Okay, it's politics, it's a tech sport. 171 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 2: The point is he did the right thing and that's 172 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 2: what matters. But thank you for coming on. I appreciate it. 173 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: Jeff doesn't get a day off. This request came from 174 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: his wife. The Kuner Report weekend edition on the Boys 175 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:16,439 Speaker 1: of Boston w RKO