1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:00,960 Speaker 1: Micha or Michael. 2 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 2: What in the world is going on around here? 3 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 3: First you Fellas slide across the hallway to the formerly 4 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 3: respectable establishment known as K zero, Hey, thereby putting a 5 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 3: ripple in a time space continuum. And now all of 6 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 3: a sudden, we got a bunch of nerds out in 7 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 3: the desert finding glowing the dark electric penguins. Whatever the 8 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 3: hell that is sounds like an art Bell thing to me. Anyway, 9 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 3: what's next? Six foot chickens and switch blades running them 10 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 3: up in the supermarkets? Avengines, the centuries, the poultry genocide. Maybe, 11 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 3: just maybe I should consider switching to decaf? 12 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 2: What do you think, nod Fellas, Yeah, don't switch to decaf. 13 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 2: If I know that was going to be the talk back, 14 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 2: I would have tried to find me. 15 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 4: Of course. 16 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 2: Then we can put it. Can we put the art 17 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 2: Bell theme song? That wouldn't show up on the podcast either, 18 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 2: would it? No? 19 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: It wouldn't it. 20 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 2: By the way, who are you? 21 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: I have no idea, I'm not here right now. 22 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 2: You're not? Are you still in bed? 23 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: I wish a great dam Broncos win. 24 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 2: For the When did the game fight? When did the 25 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 2: game actually end? 26 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 5: Sometime between ten and thirty and ten thirty. I really 27 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 5: don't know for certain. So were you watching it in 28 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 5: bed or you did you go to bed afterwards. 29 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 1: Watching another big screen on the main floor. 30 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 2: Okay? And then so do the games over? Then you 31 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 2: go upstairs and go to bed and yes, and then 32 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 2: how long did you like roll around back and forth, 33 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 2: back and forth before you finally cracked down? 34 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: At least half an hour? 35 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 5: And I'm sure I'm not the only one because Ross 36 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 5: confirmed this also the in overtime Thank you very much, 37 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 5: Broncos overtime game. They drove down the field, they got 38 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 5: the ball first, they drove down the field, scored a touchdown. 39 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 5: I'm like, thank goodness, games over. No, they changed the 40 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 5: overtime rules. Now both teams get a position to possession 41 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 5: no matter what. 42 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 2: Well. I was confused by the news reports this morning 43 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 2: showing the plays, so I had to go on to 44 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 2: the NFL's website and look up the overtime rules. I 45 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 2: didn't know. I thought it was, you know, they flip 46 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 2: visiting captain, you know, calls the toss and so they 47 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 2: get the ball and whoever scores first wins. That's it. 48 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 5: That's what used to be long long long time ago. 49 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 5: But then they changed it ten fifteen years ago, give 50 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 5: or take to where if you scored a touchdown on 51 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 5: your first drive, the game's over. If you scored a 52 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 5: field goal, then the other team got a chance to 53 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 5: start the field goal or a touchdown to win the game. 54 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 2: Okay, so is this supposed to make the game? 55 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 5: It gives both teams a chance to touch the ball, 56 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 5: laddie boy, So. 57 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 2: Let me interpret that for you. It gives the advertisers 58 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 2: and the NFL more time to sell space, you know, 59 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 2: for a commercial, to sell you more beer or whatever 60 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: they're trying to sell. Sure, yeah, that's what that's so, Yes, 61 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 2: that that's I'm sure the genesis of that particular a 62 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 2: change in the overtime rules. Well, I can tell you're 63 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 2: in a good mood. I can tell you're happy, and 64 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 2: I'm happy for you, and I'm. 65 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: Just yeah whatever, ten and two take it, man. 66 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: I know, I know, and I and I take it 67 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 2: that it was really just because they were able to 68 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 2: tip the pass that saved the day. 69 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 5: Well, I mean, the commanders would have to have caught 70 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 5: the past too, so they well, true, true. 71 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 2: But they can't catch the pass if you dip the 72 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 2: pass true. Technically they I mean technically they could somebody 73 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: else could have caught it, you know, if they've been 74 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 2: in the right position. 75 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 4: Uh. 76 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 2: The story that I want to start out with this 77 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:32,399 Speaker 2: morning is not necessarily by the by the way, text line, 78 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: if you want to send me a text message, keyword 79 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 2: Mike or Michael three three one zero three, three three 80 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 2: one zero three, if you use the other number, which 81 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 2: I honestly don't know what the other number is, but 82 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 2: if you want me, if you send it the other number, 83 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 2: I'm not going to see it. Three three one zero three. 84 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 2: The first three I want to talk about today is 85 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 2: probably not going to make many of you happy, and 86 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not doing this just you know, this 87 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 2: Monday after the holiday, and I'm just out here to 88 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 2: piss people off. No, that's not it at all. But 89 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 2: I've been bothered by something happened back in septe It happened. 90 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 2: It was a US military operation on September two, twenty 91 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 2: twenty five. You know the speedboats, the cigarette boats, whenever 92 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: you call them. You know those those fancy boats that 93 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: you know go cruising across the water. They're coming out 94 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 2: of Caracas or somewhere in Venezuela and then taking drugs 95 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 2: to Trinidad or someplace and eventually making them to Pueblo 96 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 2: that on into Denver. No, I guess that's not that Trinidad. 97 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 2: It must be a Trinidad dad in the Is it 98 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 2: the Caribbean or the Caribbean? Yes, okay, they were targeting 99 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 2: one of those suspected narcotics speedboats in the Caribbean. It 100 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 2: was off the coast of Trinidad. Now, according to multiple sources, 101 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 2: and I've read the story from CNN, the Washington Post, 102 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 2: and I have read what the congressional oversight bodies so 103 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 2: far have said about it. The initial strike on this 104 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 2: boat was done by the infam not infamous, the famous 105 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 2: Seal Team six. It disabled the vessel, it killed most 106 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 2: on board, but left two survivors clinging, clinging to the wreckage. 107 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 2: So then, and I'm I'm kind of a little I'm 108 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 2: not gonna be very specific here because the timeline is 109 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 2: not very clear yet, which is what investigators are looking at. 110 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 2: But sometime after Seal Team six originally disabled the vessel 111 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 2: killed almost everybody, blew up the boat. You know, you've 112 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 2: seen the black and white, black and white videos. They 113 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: blow up the boat, but two people survive and they're 114 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 2: clinging to wreckage of the boat. At some point, somehow, 115 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 2: a second strike was then authorized, killing the two survivors. Now, 116 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 2: all of these operations are part of Trump's campaign against 117 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 2: the drug cartels, and it is in my these are 118 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 2: legitimate campaigns. I'm trying to make sure you understand that 119 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 2: what I'm about to tell you is not because I'm 120 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 2: opposed to stopping these terrorists, these narco terrorists, from bringing 121 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 2: drugs into the country. I actually support these operations. But 122 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 2: I think we did something wrong. I think we did 123 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 2: something very wrong. Now, since this occurred, the death Secretary 124 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 2: Pete Hegsath has reportedly issued orders to quote leave no survivors, 125 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 2: though it's unclear if he was aware of the specific 126 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 2: survivors at the time of the second strike. Now, the 127 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 2: administration maintains compliance with the law of armed conflict, but 128 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 2: that's now sparked by partisan investigations by the House Armed 129 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 2: Services Committee and of course Legal act w It's all 130 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 2: across the country are chiming in. I say, by partisan 131 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 2: you know you know I don't. I'm not a big 132 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 2: fan of bypartisanship. I think if you honestly believe in something, 133 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 2: you ought to stick to your guns on principles. There 134 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 2: are times when you can compromise and not compromise your principles. 135 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 2: And if you need to do that to get a 136 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 2: particular thing passed, a piece of legislation passed, then I'm 137 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 2: okay with that if it still complies with your principles. 138 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 2: I emphasize that it's by partisanship in this situation because 139 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 2: both Republicans and what people that I would consider to 140 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 2: be extraordinarily conservative Republicans and Democrats, which obviously are not conservative, 141 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 2: are all questioning this second strike. Now, under a US 142 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 2: federal law, war crimes. Don't don't don't don't. Don't get 143 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 2: all too excited about the word war crimes. But war 144 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 2: crimes are codified in the War Crimes Act of nineteen 145 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 2: ninety six. If you want to read the War Crimes 146 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 2: Act in nineteen ninety six, that is codified in Title eighteen. Gosh, 147 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 2: we seem to be talking an awful about Title eighteen 148 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 2: on this program recently, because that's the Criminal Code. It's 149 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 2: Title eighteen, Section two four four one, twenty four to 150 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 2: forty one. Now that section criminalizes grave breaches of the 151 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 2: Geneva Conventions ends particular violations of the Hague Conventions. The 152 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 2: penalties include fines, imprisonment up to life, or death if 153 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 2: death results. The Act applies extra territorially if the perpetrator 154 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 2: or the victim is a US national, or if the offender, 155 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 2: the one who violates the War Crimes Act is present 156 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 2: in the United States, which is a kind of critical 157 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 2: fact question because the fact question here is who is 158 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 2: the offender? Is the offender the President? Is it? The 159 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 2: Secretary of Defense? Is it the commander of Southcom is 160 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 2: it the leader of Seal Team six? Is it the 161 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 2: person that was sitting And I'm not sure where this 162 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 2: strike originated, but where the drones launched on one of 163 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 2: the aircraft carriers? But was the drone being operated by 164 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 2: somebody in a monitoring room outside Las Vegas somewhere. I 165 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 2: don't know the answers of those questions. But what are 166 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 2: grave breaches? Grave breaches under Title eighteen include the wilful 167 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 2: killing of persons that are protected under the Geneva Convention Convention, 168 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 2: So obviously we have the factual question here of who 169 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 2: is was there a wilful killing? And was there a 170 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 2: person that was protected under the Geneva Convention Convention now 171 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 2: common Article three violations type are found at twenty four 172 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 2: to forty one sub paragrap in non international arm conflicts, 173 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 2: which is what this operation would be classified as. It 174 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 2: prohibits violence. Our criminal code prohibits violence to life in person, 175 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 2: including the murder of all kinds, against persons taking no 176 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 2: part in no active part in hostilities well, such as 177 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 2: those who are the French phrase or to combat out 178 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 2: of combat. Now, the Department of Defense Law of War Manual, 179 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 2: which was updated two years ago. It was published in 180 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, updated in twenty twenty three, explicitly incorporates these 181 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 2: grave breaches, and it incorporates the Article three conventions from 182 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 2: the Geneva Convention and the Hay Convention, so those are 183 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: all part of our statute. It states that persons incapacitated 184 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:05,719 Speaker 2: by shipwreck are in a helpless state and may not 185 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 2: be the object, may not be made the object of attack. Now, 186 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 2: prosecution requires intent, In other words, you have to have 187 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 2: knowledge of the protected status of the individuals involved. So 188 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 2: they would have to have known that there were two 189 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 2: survivors of the initial strike that were clinging to life, 190 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 2: hanging on to either parts of the boat, debree, life jackets, whatever. 191 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,959 Speaker 2: But they were still in the water near where the 192 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 2: boat was blown up. So I think they are probably 193 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 2: that they're obviously helpless. They can't do anything. They're clinging 194 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 2: for their lives on parts of the boat that are 195 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 2: still afloat. So they are clearly in a helpless state, 196 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 2: and they are or to combat. They are out of combat, 197 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,319 Speaker 2: and the prosecution of anybody and we don't know who 198 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 2: that would be yet, but prosecution would require intent. In 199 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 2: other words, you would have to know the protected status 200 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 2: of those individuals, and superior orders are not a defense 201 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 2: if the act was unlawful and the individual knew or 202 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 2: should have known. This. This is called the Nuremberg principle. 203 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 2: It's also qualified in US military law in the Manual 204 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 2: for Courts Martial. So when you think about we are 205 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 2: a party to the four nineteen forty nine Geneva Conventions 206 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 2: and that forms the core of the international humanitarian law 207 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 2: and are directly implemented in US law via the War 208 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 2: Crimes Act, this scenario that I've outlined implicates protections for 209 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:38,239 Speaker 2: those or to combat out of combat individuals a stagger, 210 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 2: a status that triggers immunity from attack. This really bugs 211 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 2: me because it appears that under both US federal law 212 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 2: and Geneva conventions, I think this strike may I'm not 213 00:12:55,960 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 2: saying it is, but it troubles me because one, I 214 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 2: have the greatest respect for Seal Team six I've met. 215 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 2: I mean, Seal Team six has people that move in 216 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 2: and out all the time, but I have met people 217 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 2: who have been a part of Seal Team six during 218 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 2: my tenures the innder Secretary of Home Mandsecurity, and I've 219 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 2: got great respect for them, and I can't imagine them. 220 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 2: I mean, if they go in to kill, trust me, 221 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 2: they go in to kill. Have you ever watched the 222 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 2: video what's been released about the raid on the Osama 223 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 2: Bin Laden compound in Pakistan? Amazing stuff. You really ought 224 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 2: to go watch it. I'm concerned about this because one 225 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 2: involves Seal Team six and the video, some snippets of 226 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 2: the video that you can find online show these non combatants, 227 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 2: these or to combat out of combat, two individuals clinging 228 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 2: to their lives. So they're clearly not a threat to 229 00:13:54,800 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 2: anybody to no one who ordered the second strike, whoever 230 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,719 Speaker 2: ordered the second strike, did they know that those two 231 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 2: individuals were there? Did any member of Sealed Team six 232 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 2: don't know that those two individuals were there? And if so, 233 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 2: if so, notice I'm trying to emphasize all of this 234 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 2: because we don't know, but if so, probably a violation 235 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 2: of the War Crimes Act, and that's not good for us. 236 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 2: And who do I mean by us? The United States 237 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 2: of America, Sealed Team six, the Defense Secretary, the commander 238 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 2: of the Southern Command, anybody, anybody at all in that 239 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 2: chain and command that you know went up and down 240 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 2: the chain about you know, And why would you Why 241 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 2: would you even question or even ask for a second 242 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 2: strike unless you knew there were survivors. I mean, there 243 00:14:55,320 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 2: may be other reasons, but I can't think of any. 244 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 1: So. 245 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 2: The Trump administration's non international are in conflict framing, which 246 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 2: I think is legitimate, still does not exempt the country 247 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 2: or the individuals involved from prosecution of the War Crimes Act. 248 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 2: Common Article three applies and offers equivalent protections our rules 249 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 2: of engagement and training, emphasizing refusing unlawful orders. Oh, we 250 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 2: talked about that last week, and we've got ongoing congressional 251 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 2: probes which could lead to charges. Though I know there 252 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 2: will be a bazillion political factors that could influence those outcomes. 253 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 2: But whatever, just we conclude with this. Whatever you're hearing 254 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 2: about the strike on this boat back in September, I 255 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 2: forget when I think in my notes, I've got September five, No, 256 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 2: September two, September two, twenty twenty five. Whatever you're hearing, 257 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 2: the question remains, and I think a legitimate question remains, 258 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 2: why the second strike? Who ordered the second strike? Were 259 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 2: they aware of the two individuals that were cleaning to 260 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 2: their lives. Look, I understand their dirt bags, but their 261 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 2: dirt bags that if they were there, then we should 262 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 2: have sent, you know, somebody, and Seal Team six could 263 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 2: have done it. Anybody could have done it to rescue 264 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 2: them and then take them to get MO, take them 265 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 2: to Guantanamo Bay, take them to you know, imprison them 266 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 2: or whatever, and absent any of that there indeed may 267 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 2: have been may have been a violation of the War 268 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 2: Crimes Act. Wow, We've got to be careful when we're 269 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 2: doing these kinds of things, because the entire world is watching. 270 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: Michael. 271 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 4: If that was two dirt bags hanged to life at 272 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 4: the taxpayer relief shot, because now we don't have to 273 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 4: put up with the GEMO, all the fees and all 274 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 4: that stuff to support human life, and they're done and 275 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 4: we don't. 276 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: It's it's good for America. 277 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 2: Well, this is where we may have a disagreement. And 278 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 2: I knew this would be. And I'm not trying to 279 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 2: be controversial. I'm just as I for those of you 280 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 2: who are nuwe listening to me now, I know that 281 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 2: you that we just have to talk aback. I know 282 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 2: you're you're a good regular listener. And I hope your 283 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 2: check cleared this this month if it didn't speak to 284 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 2: mister Redbeard, he's the chief financial officer. That's program. 285 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: It's safe for elections, it's safe for your check. 286 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 2: Well you put it out here in our mail box 287 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 2: for that way mail, right, Yeah, maybe I'll just go 288 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 2: pick it up and cash it myself then, because I 289 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 2: know it's still there. I just tell you what I 290 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 2: really think. I don't make up crap. I don't try 291 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 2: to play to the audience. I just say what I 292 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 2: really believe. And you it's just it's meant to put 293 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 2: it out there so that it gives you something to 294 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 2: think about. And clearly looking at the text line, Wow, 295 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 2: gubernerber ninety five zero four, Michael, I do not advocate 296 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 2: gratuitous killing. But does the second strike run amok of 297 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 2: the War Crimes Act if these people are declared terrorists. Yes, 298 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 2: this is my point. It doesn't make any difference whether 299 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 2: they're terrorists or their combatants or their non combatants, their 300 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 2: their their uniformed state enemies from you know, somewhere that's 301 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 2: attacking us, doesn't make any difference. Let me give you 302 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 2: an example, and I think the best example because it 303 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 2: also involves Seal Team six is the rate on the 304 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 2: Osama bin Laden compound in Pakistan. Now they killed. Now, 305 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 2: for all you conspiracy theorists out there, Oslama been Laden 306 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 2: still alive. I don't believe that. But they they go in, 307 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 2: they raid the house, they start working their way all 308 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 2: through the house. They're they're taking fire as they raid 309 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 2: the compound. They're taking fire as they get into the 310 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 2: house inside the compound, and then they finally make their 311 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 2: way up and I forget whether it was the second 312 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 2: or third floor or even higher, but at some point 313 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 2: they finally find that that debris screwn office that Ubl 314 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 2: had where he had his little computer and all his papers, 315 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 2: everything all stacked up and he was armed, and he 316 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 2: fired at them, and they took him out completely justified. 317 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 2: Now they're taking fire. They make their way up in 318 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 2: the house, inside the bin laden compound. They get to 319 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 2: where he is in his office, and he's playing Solitaire 320 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 2: on his computer, or he's watching the security cameras, or 321 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 2: he's busy trying to you know, shred documents, or he's 322 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 2: taking a whiz, he's doing whatever he's doing, whatever's that. 323 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 2: He's not a threat to them at that point. If 324 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 2: they had killed him Sealed Team six, even though that 325 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 2: is a terrorist, would have been a War Crimes Act. 326 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 2: So the moniker or the labeling as someone as a 327 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 2: terrorist or a non terrorist is immaterial under Title eighteen 328 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 2: then twenty one to fifty nine, Mike, we are not 329 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 2: at war. Therefore is a War Crimes Act in effect, Yes, 330 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 2: don't don't misuse the term war, because we are engaged. 331 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 2: The War Crimes Act applies to military operations, whether those 332 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 2: are under a declaration of war or those are under 333 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 2: the powers of the executive to protect the national security 334 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 2: of the United States. Take them to get MO. Let 335 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 2: me finish the message. Take them to get Mo. No, 336 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 2: just more fodder for the Democrats to manipulate must think 337 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 2: taxpayer relief shots. We just can't house everyone that won't 338 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 2: comply with Geneva rules written mostly by the people that 339 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 2: hate Americans. Well, then if that is one I disagree, 340 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 2: because two, that's not It's not just the Geneva Conventions. 341 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 2: Remember I've cited Title eighteen Congress, and if you don't 342 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 2: like this, it's fine, they'll get me wrong. You can 343 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 2: choose like it or not like it. But Congress has 344 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 2: codified the Geneva and Hay Conventions into the Criminal Code 345 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 2: of the United States of America. It's just simply a crime. 346 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 2: If what occurred occurred under the facts as I described them, 347 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 2: then it would be a war crime. And it's it's 348 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 2: not because I disagree with trying to intercede and blow 349 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 2: up these drug boats. I'm actually in favor of that. 350 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 2: So I think we need to to just recognize there's 351 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 2: one more I want to get to. This is Gouver 352 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 2: number seventy two sixty seven. You raise a great point 353 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 2: that I disagree with questioning the second strike. Well, I'm 354 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 2: not on one side of the world. Putin sends missiles 355 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 2: into apartment buildings, killing women and children. The media give 356 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 2: this a whole hum. We maybe kill two surviving Narco 357 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 2: terrorists and the media is all over it. Do the 358 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 2: media think that the two survivors should have been rescued 359 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 2: and given paid for attorneys to sue us? I don't 360 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 2: give a rats ask what the media thinks. I'm dealing 361 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 2: in the real world, and I don't judge what we 362 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 2: should or should not do based on what some thug 363 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 2: in Moscow makes a decision to do or not do. 364 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 2: That's the kind of what about ism that I think 365 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 2: is wrong. Now. I think sometimes what about ism is 366 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 2: absolutely appropriate, and I think what about ism used very 367 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 2: stringently is actually a good thing. It's it's just comparing 368 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 2: apples to apples. Oh you when to talking about what is? 369 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 2: And what about this? And what about that? I think 370 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 2: that's legitimate. But to say because Putin's doing something bad 371 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 2: that then we shouldn't care about the War Crimes Act. 372 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 2: We're better than that, and it has nothing to do 373 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 2: with the media. I don't give a rat sass what 374 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 2: the media thinks. What I care about is that we 375 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 2: adhere to the rule of law. And if you don't 376 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 2: like the War Powers Act, and if you don't like now, 377 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 2: first of all, my interpretation is subject to dispute. People 378 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 2: can argue both sides of this. I happen to fall 379 00:23:55,560 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 2: on the side that just like ubl IF Seal Team 380 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 2: six inside the compound had gotten to the third or 381 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 2: fourth floor, whichever one it was, I just don't remember, 382 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 2: and had found Osama bin Laden sitting there and he 383 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 2: was not immediately a threat. They had to take him 384 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 2: in to custody. They had to take him back to 385 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 2: the aircraft carrier, and then he would have ended up 386 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 2: in Gitmo. He would not have ended up in a 387 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 2: federal court. In fact, we may have sent him to 388 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 2: a black opsite in you know, some country where he 389 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 2: had never been heard from again. So don't don't conflate 390 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:49,679 Speaker 2: the word terrorists with this. Now. Text line is blowing up. 391 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 2: I think this is this is great. Eight ninety four 392 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 2: nine war crimes. Then riddled me this when Sheriff Judd 393 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 2: Grady Judd was asked why they shot the purp was 394 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 2: shot sixty eight times, as the response was because that's 395 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 2: all the ammunition we had, or we would have shot 396 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 2: him more. Uh. First, let let's think about tax payer 397 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 2: relief shots. If a cop shoots someone and it's not 398 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 2: justified the cop. And we have we have cases in 399 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 2: Colorado where a cop has killed an individual it is 400 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 2: determined by a jury of their peers that he did 401 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 2: not have justification for to do so, and he's held 402 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 2: he's been held criminally liable, and they've been put in jail. 403 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,199 Speaker 2: So you're you're, you're conflating all these different things and 404 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 2: you really need to separate them. This is not a 405 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 2: taxpayer relief shot. When when Sheriff Grady says we shot 406 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 2: him sixty eight times, we ran out of AMMO and 407 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 2: we was shot him more, that starts with the presumption 408 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 2: that it was a lawful shooting by the popo. That's 409 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 2: why we play that particular sound vibe because one, I 410 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 2: think it's kind of hilarious. Let's see there was four 411 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 2: oh one. Good question, but I'll have to see you, 412 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 2: but I'll do it after the break, Michael. 413 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 6: If the Europeans try to prosecute Seal Team six under 414 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 6: a War Crimes Act, the United States needs to immediately 415 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 6: withdraw from NATRO in all alliances with European countries. 416 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 2: That this is not a NATO or a Hague prosecution. 417 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:56,199 Speaker 2: They have nothing to do with this. Everybody's head's exploding 418 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 2: without understanding the nature of what's taking place here. This is, 419 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 2: in my opinion, a violation or could be a violation 420 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 2: of Title eighteen of the United States Criminal Code, which 421 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 2: simply incorporates meaning that Congress looked in nineteen forty nine, 422 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 2: Congress looked at the Geneva Conventions and the Hague Convention 423 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 2: and said we agree with this, and then years later 424 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 2: they adopted those conventions as part of our own US 425 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 2: Criminal Code. Go look it up in Title eighteen. And 426 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 2: so there's no prosecution from some international organization. This would 427 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 2: be a prosecution by either a judge advocate general through 428 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 2: a courts martial, or it could be a prosecution through 429 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 2: federal district court, a criminal caation federal district court. But 430 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 2: I want to make sure, based on the text lines, 431 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 2: that you understand the difference between a tax payer relief 432 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 2: shot and or to combat someone who is out of combat, 433 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 2: because these are combat situations. These are not civilian criminal situations. 434 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 2: In fact, I have a friend who is a judge 435 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 2: advocate general who sent me a note and just said, 436 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 2: I really hope you succeed in defining the difference between 437 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 2: what or to combat and tax payer relief shots. And 438 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 2: we both recognize that this is not something that people 439 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 2: think about all the time. But this JAG also has 440 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 2: a little concern about what seems to have happened and 441 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 2: points out that this is law of armed conflict one 442 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 2: oh one. This is like first year LOS stuff for 443 00:28:54,280 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 2: JAG officers. And I'm trying to lay the groundwork for 444 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 2: you to be prepared when Congress does an investigation and 445 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 2: Republicans and Democrats alike determine that there was a Court 446 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 2: of War Crime Act here, and they refer it to 447 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 2: a US attorney for prosecution, or they refer it back 448 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 2: to DD, or DD itself initiates an investigation and d 449 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 2: D engages in a court martial because I think there's 450 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 2: a very real possibility of this now. Factually, I don't 451 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 2: know the timing or who ordered the second strike, but 452 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:44,239 Speaker 2: the second strike is what bothers me. Let's take a 453 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 2: World War two scene. I know that war is hell. 454 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 2: I'm obviously I've never been in war, but I know, 455 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 2: based on my study that war is hell. But we 456 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 2: have a moral obligation. For example, if if they come 457 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 2: across whether it's World War two, Vietnam and it's a 458 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 2: viet Cong, or it's Korea, or it's in Afghanistan, or 459 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 2: it's in Iraq, I don't care where it is. But 460 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 2: they come across an enemy combatant or an enemy soldier 461 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 2: in uniform or whatever, and they are or to combat, 462 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 2: they are out of combat. It would be a war 463 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 2: crime act for a US soldier to just shoot that soldier, 464 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 2: that non combatant, non combatant or combatant or enemy soldier. 465 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 2: It would be a war crime to just hmm, just 466 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 2: shooting Melie. I hate to bring that up, but because 467 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 2: that's too emotionally laden, does that ring a bell with anybody? 468 00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 2: You see? I think what we're all so sick. I'm 469 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 2: tired of drug dealers everybody else. But in this if 470 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 2: if those drug dealers were on American soil and they 471 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 2: were caught dealing and an FBI agent or a local 472 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 2: yocal cop just saw them dealing, and they they didn't 473 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 2: point a gun at the at the law enforcement officer, 474 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 2: they didn't threaten the law enforcement officer, but the law 475 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 2: enforcement officer said, oh there's a drug dealer, boom and 476 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 2: just takes them out. That would be a bad taxpayer 477 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 2: relief shot. Now you take those that scenario and put 478 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 2: it over here where we have a narco terrorist and 479 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 2: some have been killed, but some of some of us 480 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 2: have survived. They're there or to combat, they are out 481 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 2: of combat, they're not a threat to Seal Team six 482 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 2: at all, and yet somebody up to chain of command 483 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 2: somewhere ordered a second strike to kill them. I think 484 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 2: that's a violation of the US that's a violation that 485 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 2: that's a war crime. Now, that's all factually, that's all 486 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,719 Speaker 2: fact dependent, meaning that I'm just trying to prepare you 487 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 2: for the likelihood that either a congressional investigation, a military investigation, 488 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 2: or a criminal investigation could indeed find that this action 489 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 2: was illegal. I want you to be prepared for that.