Speaker 1: Scott flowing back on seven hundred w WELW show. You're streaming,
Speaker 1: you're on your phone, you.
Speaker 2: Got devices in the background. Things are going all. Everything's good.
Speaker 2: You're using all this data. And then one day one
Speaker 2: of those platforms you're on, or maybe all of them
Speaker 2: slow down. You get that spinning wheel of frustration. Well,
Speaker 2: what's going on? This thing sucks? It's broken. No, that's
Speaker 2: the AI boom. Okay, so we're all on our phone,
Speaker 2: we're all using stuff. AI comes along puts even more
Speaker 2: stress on the system. You may not think you're using AI.
Speaker 2: You're using AI as we speak. So people in Mount
Speaker 2: orb in Maysville and Butler County and Wilmington for that matter,
Speaker 2: taking a hard look if they want them in their towns.
Speaker 2: So the City of Cincinnati is getting very proactive on this,
Speaker 2: putting a temporary moratorium on new data centers while they
Speaker 2: do a zoning stead of review. It's not a band,
Speaker 2: it's just a pause. And she is part of the
Speaker 2: Housing and Growth Committee, and that would be council Member
Speaker 2: Mika d Owens and the D stands for data Meka,
Speaker 2: good morning, how are you.
Speaker 3: That's the same. Well, that's a good one. That sounds great. Yes,
Speaker 3: I am doing well. Thank you so much for having
Speaker 3: me this morning. Very excited to be here.
Speaker 2: Okay, so obviously major corporations need them, we get pg
Speaker 2: Kroger fifth or they require data infrastructure we have more demand.
Speaker 2: People in the city would often talk about the urban
Speaker 2: areas being a desert for connectivity when it comes to
Speaker 2: high speed that would help with this thing. So starting
Speaker 2: with the basics here, city doesn't even have a zoning
Speaker 2: definition for data centers right now. So has there been
Speaker 2: any interest from the outside the facilities up to this
Speaker 2: point and what triggered this need for moratorium in the
Speaker 2: point where literally you want to vote on this today.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, first of all, I think it's important that
Speaker 3: we recognize we are in an AI zone similar to
Speaker 3: I think the Internet, and so what that means that
Speaker 3: this technology is here, It's on your iPhone, it's everywhere,
Speaker 3: as you indicated, and so you know, this is not
Speaker 3: a question of whether or not just going to grow.
Speaker 3: It's how organizations, companies and cities jurisdictions get ready for
Speaker 3: this type of technology, revitalization or resolution, whatever you want
Speaker 3: to call it. And so what this step is is
Speaker 3: really a pactive step that will help us to one
Speaker 3: define what data centers are and you know data center
Speaker 3: centers in terms of being able to run AI. It's all.
Speaker 3: Also the concern is the industry consumption that it is
Speaker 3: required to do that. So the first step is, let's
Speaker 3: pop to define this. Let's look at areas of the
Speaker 3: city where this might occur. So we're looking at twenty
Speaker 3: two thousand parcels and what that will do is really
Speaker 3: healthy administration to get in to one get more educational
Speaker 3: understanding and create a framework around if somebody actually wants
Speaker 3: to come to the city and create one.
Speaker 2: Okay, and that is probably sooner rather than later. Again,
Speaker 2: a pause, not a ban. But so let's say P
Speaker 2: and G or Kroger they're working on something. You know
Speaker 2: that they're always expanding, and you have a new CEO.
Speaker 2: Obviously Kroger, you've got there's a need to expand. If
Speaker 2: they need to expand their data infrastructure during this temporary period,
Speaker 2: this this moratorium, are they grandfather? Then what do you
Speaker 2: what do you tell the biggest employers and some of
Speaker 2: the biggest companies in the world you can't have it.
Speaker 3: Well, that's going to be a part of the engagement
Speaker 3: that the administration is going to have to do while
Speaker 3: they are getting all of the pieces on the administrative
Speaker 3: side by way of zoning and definition and the totity
Speaker 3: Court nation. They're going to do that over the next
Speaker 3: couple of months and hopefully we get to a point
Speaker 3: of better understanding so that we actually know what to
Speaker 3: do in a situation like that. We also know that
Speaker 3: there are different types of data centers. You know, most
Speaker 3: people probably think of them as some large warehouse off
Speaker 3: of the side of the interstate, but they could also
Speaker 3: be a small room with with with servers. So we
Speaker 3: want to recognize with the landscape is. And so that's
Speaker 3: the work that's going to happen over the next couple
Speaker 3: of months. And if we don't have and that also
Speaker 3: insos public engagement and so the pieces that are needed
Speaker 3: with you know, we don't have those in the next
Speaker 3: couple of months, they can also extend so that the
Speaker 3: work can continue until we get to a firmer place
Speaker 3: of having answers to these question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I think that makes sense in
Speaker 2: the Central Business District obviously, no go. But there's land
Speaker 2: all over the place in Cincinnati and also in Hambling
Speaker 2: County for that matter where you look at it, going, hey,
Speaker 2: there's what they need is they need they need electricity.
Speaker 2: We'll get to that in a second to power these things,
Speaker 2: but they also need water to cool everything off.
Speaker 1: In the data centers.
Speaker 2: We've got the Ohio River right there, you know, worried
Speaker 2: about in some of these counties, you know, like folks
Speaker 2: in Adams County or Butler County, masl Kentucky and elsewhere
Speaker 2: more of Wilmington, they're worried about taking all the groundwater
Speaker 2: out and that's a huge problem for those communities. You
Speaker 2: really don't have that with the plentiful water in the
Speaker 2: Ohio River that gets pumped back in anyway. It's you know,
Speaker 2: in that you're also in proxi many of the big companies,
Speaker 2: but also the people and Cincinnati needs needs that infrastructure
Speaker 2: when it comes to data and when comes to the
Speaker 2: ability to get more products online and get people connected.
Speaker 2: And so it's a it's a beautiful fit I think
Speaker 2: for some of these cities. And you've got the you
Speaker 2: got the space, and you're not saying no, but I
Speaker 2: think just being near the Ohio River is a bonus here.
Speaker 3: Oh well, absolutely, that is the attraction to the Midwest
Speaker 3: and specifically you know, Cincinnati and other jurisdictions, and so
Speaker 3: it is. It is all a part of the changing
Speaker 3: pollution in our environment and changing climates and changing temperature.
Speaker 3: The Midwest is going to be so attractive because we
Speaker 3: see the erosion that is happening on the coast right
Speaker 3: the West Coast Coast fire was all of those things.
Speaker 3: So just by that, you know, we have got to
Speaker 3: get ready for folks who are coming to this network region. Yes,
Speaker 3: our natural water water source is a benefit, but it's
Speaker 3: also something that we need to protect. Again as we
Speaker 3: will look at data usage and energy consumption, and yes,
Speaker 3: water is a part of that. So these are all
Speaker 3: the important elements, which is why the city is taking
Speaker 3: a step to say, hey, let's uncover all of this,
Speaker 3: because we are seeing this evolve over the news and
Speaker 3: around the world, and Cincinnati is no different than any
Speaker 3: other city in this country trying to innswer these questions.
Speaker 3: I think we're putting ourselves in a really great position
Speaker 3: by saying, hey, let's go ahead and do and overlay
Speaker 3: on a certain area of the city so that we
Speaker 3: can actually get ready. Because the last thing we would
Speaker 3: want to do is to have one data centers just
Speaker 3: popping up all over the place, and then they're you know,
Speaker 3: taking a lot of good demands off of the bridge.
Speaker 3: And so because right everyone spects to come home and
Speaker 3: power their home and with on the lights and all
Speaker 3: of those things, and those that are using solo panels,
Speaker 3: you know, that's also quite exciting. And so it becomes
Speaker 3: a moment where we can think about, one, how do
Speaker 3: we actually mitigate interview consumption by way of all of
Speaker 3: these things that could be incentives to help reduce demands. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, solar panels and.
Speaker 4: All of the abolt.
Speaker 2: Well, now's the time to look at this, and I'm
Speaker 2: glad you are, Mika Owens. You know, I was just
Speaker 2: thinking top of my head the Queen's Gate area, lower
Speaker 2: Price Hill, that area is in need of development, and
Speaker 2: the question is what to do after the New Brunch
Speaker 2: bench Bridge corridor projects done. Hell, we haven't started digging
Speaker 2: the holes yet, that that'd be a good time maybe
Speaker 2: to put the pipe in the like in at that
Speaker 2: point to get the water into the intake and outflow
Speaker 2: from the Ohio River. I mean, just now's the time
Speaker 2: to be thinking about, Hey, where could we put one
Speaker 2: of these big plants in Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. I mean Queens Queen's Gate, aliso A Mountains, the
Speaker 3: West End is a place that has so much promise
Speaker 3: considering what happened and what devastated that community. I seventy
Speaker 3: five and you know you had it was a plus
Speaker 3: storing place for black people in this city. You end
Speaker 3: up migrating in other spaces. We think about the Western
Speaker 3: it definitely has to include housing and you know, amenities
Speaker 3: and syntheist as well. And so you know, somebody an
Speaker 3: exciting conversation to think about what that mix of things
Speaker 3: look like for the Western right.
Speaker 2: Mika Owen's council person on the Scotsland Show on seven
Speaker 2: hundred WLWD city trying to fast track a temporary moratorium
Speaker 2: just a pause data centers coming to the City of
Speaker 2: Cincinnati and trying to get some policy together.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I look at Columbus and
Speaker 2: Columbus is rolling out the red carpet for Meta and
Speaker 2: Amazon and Google Data. Why are we pumping the brakes
Speaker 2: If Columbus is moving forward, are we going to get
Speaker 2: left behind?
Speaker 3: Well? And that's what we don't want, right and so
Speaker 3: I think what we need to do right now is
Speaker 3: define what data centers are, and maybe Columbus look ahead
Speaker 3: of us and doing that. We're currently in our code
Speaker 3: are learning, so we have no definition. So it's important
Speaker 3: for us to stop recognize what a data center might be,
Speaker 3: put that define to it so that the underlying zoning
Speaker 3: is appropriate. So at the end of the day, and
Speaker 3: we're talking about character in a particular community and maintaining
Speaker 3: that esthetic and quality, all of those pieces have to
Speaker 3: be built in at the base level. So you know, again,
Speaker 3: maybe Coumbus zoning UH is exponentially you know, moving moving
Speaker 3: quicker than ours, but we certainly want to to your point,
Speaker 3: this is a moment of revolution where we cannot be
Speaker 3: left behind, not only by way of policy and how
Speaker 3: we use this in the at the city, but also
Speaker 3: by way of attracting new businesses to the signal to
Speaker 3: the region.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, gotcha? Mika Owens on the show, where are you
Speaker 2: at Kroger? What's going on?
Speaker 1: You checking out?
Speaker 6: What's going on?
Speaker 3: Gosh? I started, I sent so funny. I am at
Speaker 3: a coffee shop in college tail. You know, a girl
Speaker 3: got many things to do in the morning. We could
Speaker 3: do model tacting, but I do want to say Scott
Speaker 3: just one thing about the small your as fictions and
Speaker 3: the county at large. This is where you know, commissioners
Speaker 3: will have to tackle with this issue because when we
Speaker 3: think about land availability and we think about smollogiers, fictions
Speaker 3: that are not even set up with departments like planning
Speaker 3: and dealing with zoning reform, these are the questions that
Speaker 3: certainly we will have to wrestle with and be prepared for.
Speaker 2: Has the city had or scheduled talks with Duke Energy
Speaker 2: to see if they are great our infrastructure locally can
Speaker 2: handle this or is that too.
Speaker 3: Far out that that's the part of what what will
Speaker 3: happen over the next three months while you know, the
Speaker 3: administration is doing this work, so we're talking about the
Speaker 3: deep uh nitty gritty detail information that will be needed
Speaker 3: to to to make this viable, right and so uh,
Speaker 3: you know, engaging with with Duke is at the top
Speaker 3: of the list.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: And then you know, as it relates to how do
Speaker 3: we really coordinate energy and utility usage if someone wants
Speaker 3: to come here and open a data center, is the.
Speaker 2: Three months moratorium a hard deadline? Because you know, personally
Speaker 2: I think it should be because too often in government
Speaker 2: and you've seen this Meka Owens where it's like, hey,
Speaker 2: give us three months, Well we need another three months. Well,
Speaker 2: next thing, you know, it's a year and no one's
Speaker 2: talking to anybody, and now the fruit is just withering
Speaker 2: on the vine and we're getting passed by. I mean, absolutely,
Speaker 2: do the due diligence. I you know, you know the
Speaker 2: residents and other areas that are undergoing this.
Speaker 1: You know, you should be.
Speaker 2: Involved in your community and decide what's going on. There's
Speaker 2: no question about it in this case. I just wonder
Speaker 2: sometimes you go okay, and then we're onto the next thing,
Speaker 2: and next thing, you know, it's like P and G
Speaker 2: and Kroger are thinking about moving out because they need
Speaker 2: they need more more data and they can't get it
Speaker 2: because you're you're sitting on things.
Speaker 1: So will this wrap up in three months?
Speaker 3: We're hoping so. But I think what's what's key here
Speaker 3: is quality and not necessarily the speed of you know,
Speaker 3: the speed of getting there is really getting the right
Speaker 3: answer to the question. And so while the administration is
Speaker 3: moving towards, you know, being doing this in three months,
Speaker 3: first of all, we still have to pass this today,
Speaker 3: but we are giving some flexibility for an extension if
Speaker 3: we don't uncover all of the things that we need
Speaker 3: to because at the end of the day, you have
Speaker 3: one not only the responsibility of cities to really do
Speaker 3: this and look at this and examine this thoroughly, but
Speaker 3: you also have concerns from citizens who some of us
Speaker 3: don't even know what AI is or what it does.
Speaker 3: And so we're also in an environment where we all
Speaker 3: have to get educated on this revolution because again, it's
Speaker 3: in all of our lives right now and it's here
Speaker 3: to stay. And as I've been in AI conversation just
Speaker 3: with you know, some stakeholders in the city, one of
Speaker 3: the pieces is, yes, let's educate ourselves on how to
Speaker 3: use this as an everyday user as a resident. And
Speaker 3: so there's a lot that I think in the next.
Speaker 2: Three months, no question about mick owens, the more times
Speaker 2: in place. It's going to go on for three months,
Speaker 2: hopefully not much longer than that, and we can't fall behind.
Speaker 1: We know that already.
Speaker 2: But at top of your mind, what are the most
Speaker 2: adverse in facts you're concerned about in your mind?
Speaker 1: Is is it energy costs? Is for the environment? Is
Speaker 1: it noise? Is it traffic or something else?
Speaker 3: The highest concern for me would be energy consumption. So
Speaker 3: if we can figure out the correct balance to that,
Speaker 3: that's going to be priority.
Speaker 7: Again.
Speaker 3: We have done so much work on the groups of
Speaker 3: NATI Plan and continuing to be responsible to our natural
Speaker 3: resources will always be the city highest priority.
Speaker 2: Okay, obviously the city's behind moving forward with a data
Speaker 2: center somewhere, and I know that. I've talked to people
Speaker 2: before and said, well, it's difficult to build up with
Speaker 2: a huge data center. You know, we have some big
Speaker 2: empty buildings. It'd be great for that, but the problem
Speaker 2: is that the batteries waste much. It's about floor loading,
Speaker 2: and you just can't build a floor the cost. It's
Speaker 2: cost prohibited build upward because of the weight of these buildings,
Speaker 2: so it has to be more expensive. Although there's some
Speaker 2: areas in other cities where they're doing smaller data centers
Speaker 2: as well, and maybe a number of smaller data centers
Speaker 2: versus a big one, but then of course there's that
Speaker 2: there's that cost issue for these big companies doing it.
Speaker 2: Whether it's it's good to put it in since.
Speaker 1: Of that or not.
Speaker 2: It'd be nice if you guys go, hey, listen, we're
Speaker 2: going to set aside an area or a district or
Speaker 2: here's here's there's three different sites you can choose from.
Speaker 2: You'll pick one and we'll get you a deal on
Speaker 2: the property because it's being unused and it's going to
Speaker 2: add to the tax space. And so it's an opportunity
Speaker 2: for local government here to be forward thinking and get
Speaker 2: their arms around the problem we're all going to face
Speaker 2: at some point.
Speaker 8: For sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely all of the above, which is why you know,
Speaker 3: creating this overlay district is important. And what we have
Speaker 3: asked the administration to also do is to consider policies
Speaker 3: that would helps supplement what they're going to be uncovering.
Speaker 3: And so by way of yes, are there is their
Speaker 3: need for certain instances, is their need to uh look
Speaker 3: at things like you know cras and uh and other
Speaker 3: you know abatement strategies that will help to be not
Speaker 3: cost prohibited but actually helped to get projects across the
Speaker 3: finish line, right by which you know, we're making sure
Speaker 3: that one we are you know, energy consumption as it's
Speaker 3: popular with and that not being a at first impact.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 2: You look at communities around and I'm sure at some point,
Speaker 2: if you haven't already make it you're going to talk
Speaker 2: to folks in more mount orb for example, where you
Speaker 2: get a small genets packed with people because they're worried
Speaker 2: about the data center coming in and what it's going
Speaker 2: to do to their community and quality of life, which
Speaker 2: are reasonable concerns. Even if you come up with a
Speaker 2: plan for this too, I'd imagine there's gonna be sizeable
Speaker 2: backlash from people in the Cincinnati community that's simply regardless
Speaker 2: of how well thought out it is, simply don't want it.
Speaker 1: How do you address those people?
Speaker 3: Well, we ask the administration and in the you know,
Speaker 3: in this process which early outlines that you have to
Speaker 3: do a public hearing on these things. But I think
Speaker 3: we want to go a buzz and beyond that because
Speaker 3: of the sensitivity of this, uh, this conversation around AI,
Speaker 3: and so what we're thinking is that this will look
Speaker 3: like you know, engagement that is not similar sometimes when
Speaker 3: we're kind of a directing some of these zoning issues
Speaker 3: to that point, so that we can address people's concerns upfront,
Speaker 3: because it's the moment where we're all learning, truly, and
Speaker 3: the administration, uh, you know, acknowledges that, and so they're
Speaker 3: just going to have to take the time to do
Speaker 3: the right work, the quality work, to make sure we
Speaker 3: are moving in the right direction.
Speaker 1: Well, coffee you're going with this morning at the coffee shop?
Speaker 4: There?
Speaker 1: What do you got?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 3: You know, sometimes I'm a lot taker to go grab it,
Speaker 3: but I love vanilla.
Speaker 1: You like you like a grande. You a big one.
Speaker 1: You bring your own mug. What do you got work
Speaker 1: in Armica?
Speaker 3: Oh? Well, you know, I always enjoyed turning out of
Speaker 3: the mud, so hopefully they have. But even if don't,
Speaker 3: you know, it's nice to be in a coffee with
Speaker 3: good people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2: And do you also have to get like a giant
Speaker 2: jug of water for that flower that you wear on
Speaker 2: your lapel?
Speaker 3: Yes, I try to make Marty water me as well.
Speaker 3: I know one of these days, you know, someone might
Speaker 3: come up and try to smell it, and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I'm afraid water is gonna shoot out at
Speaker 2: me though.
Speaker 1: That's the thing I know, that gag.
Speaker 2: Well, that's your hook and it works. It works for
Speaker 2: that thing is. It's awesome and it's good to talk
Speaker 2: to you, Mika. You have a great day. Okay, thanks again,
Speaker 2: all right, she's a council member. Mika Owens on the
Speaker 2: show on seven hunderd WW from easily the loudest coffee
Speaker 2: shop in Cincinnati. It was in CVG or something. I'm
Speaker 2: not quite sure, but Meek always a pleasure to talk to.
Speaker 2: And this is an issue that's gonna hit all of
Speaker 2: us somewhere, no matter where you live. There's going to
Speaker 2: be the issue of bringing in AI data center in
Speaker 2: and it's something we demand. It's it's hard to vilify
Speaker 2: the companies that are doing this because it's me and
Speaker 2: you that are driving it. And that's the whole nimby thing. Anyway,
Speaker 2: News on the Way when a return on the show,
Speaker 2: we'll keep it at Cincinnata. Christy Samod's here from three CDC.
Speaker 2: All right, the convention center's open. They got ten point
Speaker 2: one million for the naming rights. And now what about
Speaker 2: that big hotel? When can we get this whole thing done?
Speaker 2: News first though, on seven hundred WLW Scott's Loan Show,
Speaker 2: seven hundred WLW. So the area around the convention Center
Speaker 2: is it's starting to blow up. It's going to a
Speaker 2: lot different when you go down there for opening day,
Speaker 2: for sure, if you're down that way, it's open. Obviously
Speaker 2: has a new sponsor and name. There's a new outdoor
Speaker 2: events area coming soon, the new hotel, which is a
Speaker 2: big question is how soon and when is that hotel.
Speaker 1: Going to go down?
Speaker 2: And when are we gonna open things up and also
Speaker 2: get the flow of money coming back downtown from the
Speaker 2: convention business. She has all the answers. And it's our
Speaker 2: friend Christy Samod from three CDC. She's the senior vice
Speaker 2: president of Events. Christy, welcome back. Haw's life great?
Speaker 6: Great?
Speaker 9: How's life for you?
Speaker 6: Everything's pretty pretty good.
Speaker 2: I am enjoyed by I'll tell you what. We're running
Speaker 2: around yesterday in our underwear. That's how warm it was outside.
Speaker 2: How about you? Oh my god?
Speaker 9: Same? Please say you know it's bring happiness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, walking around in a T shirt and shorts, shoveling
Speaker 2: the crap off the autumn of the driveway going it's
Speaker 2: like thirty degrees out it feels I'm sorry, it's fifty degrees.
Speaker 1: It feels like it's ninety. It's insane. It's insane.
Speaker 9: Ice yeah, yeah, the last week of the ice DN
Speaker 9: and so it's nice as the blood of people are
Speaker 9: just like skating with their T shirts on. It might
Speaker 9: be a little sloppy, but it's great all right night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the rinks still still going until you shut
Speaker 2: that down. That's even late, I think by your standards
Speaker 2: if I'm mistaken, But again, that's part of the new
Speaker 2: outdoor events area conject right adjacent to the convention center.
Speaker 2: Yesterday the big press conference where they announced the name
Speaker 2: and uh, the it's no longer the Duke Energy Convention Center.
Speaker 2: It is now the Donald J. Trump First Financial Bank
Speaker 2: Convention Center.
Speaker 9: That's right, right?
Speaker 1: Was that an honor? That was an eye roll? This
Speaker 1: is what that one? His name's on everything? What his
Speaker 1: name's on every other building?
Speaker 2: I just no, First Financial paid a lot of money
Speaker 2: to get the naming rights, right the like the next
Speaker 2: fifteen years, where does that money go.
Speaker 9: It's gonna, you know, help with the convention center, and
Speaker 9: it's gonna pay pay down the debt. So you know,
Speaker 9: it's it's crazy. The corporate community in Cincinnati and it
Speaker 9: really makes Cincinnati, you know, vibe. Without our corporate community,
Speaker 9: we wouldn't be able to do all of the great
Speaker 9: things that we've been able to do. And so they
Speaker 9: really were able to make this deal happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, gotcha, And it's awesome because I haven't been in yet,
Speaker 2: didn't get a chance to go to Redsfest, but I'm
Speaker 2: sure in the coming year this was an event I
Speaker 2: wind up going to and being part of, So I
Speaker 2: can't wait to see it. But that aside, I mean
Speaker 2: to look spectacular for sure, and it was much much
Speaker 2: needed to try and get that convention business. But the
Speaker 2: other part of this is we've got to get that
Speaker 2: hotel done, and we're not going to have that for
Speaker 2: what another twenty six months roughly. How do you how
Speaker 2: are you able to compete for convention business now with
Speaker 2: a new center no hotel.
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, I mean I think you know, if you
Speaker 9: look at the proximity of how many hotels are surrounding
Speaker 9: our convention center, we we have that we have the rooms,
Speaker 9: we start to get creative, and I think it's how
Speaker 9: we sell the convention, how we pitch it to different cities,
Speaker 9: on what the our conventions that are bring that other
Speaker 9: cities don't. And I think it's you know, when you
Speaker 9: walk out that door, the amount of you know, restaurants
Speaker 9: that you see that are all locally owned the right
Speaker 9: outside that doorstep, you know, you're embraced with you know,
Speaker 9: umcry Clasa that ice drink. Now it'll be a new
Speaker 9: event space. You've got Fifth Streets that's connecting the Fountain Square,
Speaker 9: so there's a ton of different amenities that you know,
Speaker 9: along with connecting all of these other hotels. I think
Speaker 9: we're totally fine to your point. You know, it'll be
Speaker 9: construction will be complete, you know in Q three and
Speaker 9: twenty twenty eight approximately, but we're selling conventions, you know,
Speaker 9: up until twenty thirty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And what's a response been from people in conventions
Speaker 2: that you try to a book for them and they're
Speaker 2: aware it's a new convention center, they're excited to come
Speaker 2: to Cincineta, have been there in the past.
Speaker 1: Just what's that relationship like, they're really excited.
Speaker 9: And you know, our friends at Visissippi and Legends Global
Speaker 9: or are going to a ton of different trade shows.
Speaker 9: They're getting in front of all of these people, they're
Speaker 9: inviting them to see the space, and there's a lot
Speaker 9: of excitement. And I think that even you know, the
Speaker 9: amenities within the convention center are you know, incredibly upgraded now,
Speaker 9: but even the exterior when you're walking down Fistreet, when
Speaker 9: you're looking at you know, I was walking the Salvo
Speaker 9: the Salzar the other night and the boat show is
Speaker 9: loading in and you could see everything happening within those walls, and.
Speaker 4: Just the excitement, you know.
Speaker 9: I mean last week we had Fear Fact and just
Speaker 9: all of the different things, all the activity that is
Speaker 9: bringing back to that neighborhood.
Speaker 6: It's it's awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And this may be outside you because you're you're more events.
Speaker 1: I know that, Christy.
Speaker 2: But first, financial span, like ten point one million over
Speaker 2: fifteen years, is some of that money or you mentioned
Speaker 2: going to pay down the debt. If the hotel performs
Speaker 2: better than projected and doesn't need get capital fund support,
Speaker 2: does that money go back into the general fund?
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 9: For the hotel that I don't know.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, that's fine because I was learning, like, well,
Speaker 2: you know people, I was like, well, what happens to
Speaker 2: the hotel doesn't fill up? It sounds like we're going
Speaker 2: to have a pretty long waiting list. I mean, just
Speaker 2: I can tell sense the excitement in your voice about
Speaker 2: how many new people or how many bodies and conventions
Speaker 2: are going to come to Cincinnati just for this, And
Speaker 2: I would if that's the case, you're probably going to
Speaker 2: be good for the next ten years or so I'll
Speaker 2: be able to pay that debt down sizably. So I
Speaker 2: had not with this project, I'm not worried about it. Well,
Speaker 2: what if it underperforms the economy hits I mean that
Speaker 2: could happen, but an effect everywhere generally. I think when
Speaker 2: you're in the convention business, if you build something new
Speaker 2: and shiny and bright, a lot of people are going
Speaker 2: to want to come check it out.
Speaker 1: Is that true?
Speaker 4: That is?
Speaker 9: And also I mean they've done a really good job
Speaker 9: on the capital stack of diversifying the different funds, so
Speaker 9: it's not just one source that needs to be you know,
Speaker 9: it's not just the performance of the hotel. There's a
Speaker 9: lot of different areas that need to succeed, and I
Speaker 9: think that that's helped spread the risk.
Speaker 2: Out right, Christy samadrid on the next step downtown, and
Speaker 2: that is a brand new show piece hotel next to
Speaker 2: the convention center that's not going to be ready for
Speaker 2: another twenty six months roughly before we can start getting
Speaker 2: that connection together. It's not stopping, of course, the people
Speaker 2: booking events at the convention center, but moving forward, it's
Speaker 2: going to be a little while before we can get
Speaker 2: that going. I know, Portman Holdings is behind this. They're
Speaker 2: the developer with the hotels. Do they have a what
Speaker 2: is their track convention hotels? And I'm sure you're expecting
Speaker 2: them to deliver by the second quarter of twenty twenty eight,
Speaker 2: and there's clauses and everything else to get the work done.
Speaker 1: But have they done other convention projects?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 9: Well, and I think that as you know, with our
Speaker 9: partnership with Portman, you know, we will be working hand
Speaker 9: in hand, as you know, managing that project with them,
Speaker 9: and so I think that we have a great track
Speaker 9: record on getting projects some time conventions that are being
Speaker 9: one of them, and so we feel really strong that
Speaker 9: it will be complete on time and it'll be at
Speaker 9: the US the hotel, Yeah, and it's a Marriotte property,
Speaker 9: so that's that's great, world class.
Speaker 2: And Portman said they're gonna they're gonna buy another downtown
Speaker 2: hotel not yet named, not to be named. Why the
Speaker 2: secrecy behind that and and what's the strategy there if
Speaker 2: you can kind of take us by the curtain.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean I think.
Speaker 9: It's just you know, working on the financing, making sure
Speaker 9: that everything all the doctor in the role will row
Speaker 9: before we announce that, I think And make sure that
Speaker 9: everything's you know, tied up with a bow, and we
Speaker 9: can announce that a strategic plan forward.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because we've got top of my head.
Speaker 2: They've got the ac you've got the moxie, I think
Speaker 2: is their brand as well, the Renaissance. All of those
Speaker 2: are Marriot brands and you're adding another one. Are you
Speaker 2: worried about putting all your aids in one basket there
Speaker 2: or are you just afterwards let the market kind of.
Speaker 1: Figure out itself.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 9: I think that, you know, Mary has a really strong brand,
Speaker 9: and so I think in a lot of cities you
Speaker 9: see that, and so we feel really strong about moving
Speaker 9: towards this way.
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk at Christy's AMoD a little bit
Speaker 2: about competition. Louisville just open there a new omni hotel
Speaker 2: connected to their convention center, and how big I guess
Speaker 2: the competition there. You don't want to say that, but
Speaker 2: there's competition. How do you pitch, like meeting planners who
Speaker 2: can lock in Louisville versus waiting on Cincinnati and the
Speaker 2: hotel in twenty twenty eight, how hard is that to
Speaker 2: book shows here?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 9: I mean again, like I said, I think that that
Speaker 9: our city has a lot to offer on you know
Speaker 9: what else the district has. I mean, there's been a
Speaker 9: ton of vestiment, there's a lot of movement. I think
Speaker 9: that while we don't have a conventions that are a
Speaker 9: proper hotel, that there's a lot of other Belgian whistles.
Speaker 9: There's a lot of other hotels that can compile. We
Speaker 9: can work together, you know, visit since he has a
Speaker 9: great service team, that they can be the confires for that,
Speaker 9: you know, the client, to make sure that it's a
Speaker 9: seamless approach. And so I think that there's some competitive
Speaker 9: advantage there.
Speaker 2: All right, so your spend how much does this spend
Speaker 2: on the WEX garage? It's like twenty eight million? Did
Speaker 2: I see that?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, which is about what ten percent of the total
Speaker 2: costs of convention center. Why is it parking garage so expensive?
Speaker 9: I mean, to do it right, I mean I think
Speaker 9: that you know, a lot of people say me myself, you.
Speaker 4: Know, we're going into garages.
Speaker 9: A lot of them are dark and dreary. I think
Speaker 9: that we want to do it right. We want to
Speaker 9: make sure that we renovate this where people want to park.
Speaker 5: This will have a.
Speaker 9: Skybridge to the convention Center, and so it will be
Speaker 9: a conduit to that for parking, and so really wanting
Speaker 9: to make sure that that's done done right.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna it sounds like me, Chris, you're saying
Speaker 2: you're going to build a bougie ass parking garage is
Speaker 2: what we're.
Speaker 6: Going to do.
Speaker 2: That's pretty cool because normally you're right, they're kind of
Speaker 2: dark and dury and it seems like a I don't know,
Speaker 2: sometimes you're walking at night and I don't care what
Speaker 2: state it is and where it is, but it feels
Speaker 2: like you're looking over your shoulder. You're waiting for an
Speaker 2: assassin behind there, maybe the guy that you know, deep
Speaker 2: threat from the from watergates. So you're going to meet
Speaker 2: to have a colessed meeting, a car is going to
Speaker 2: come through and whack somebody.
Speaker 1: Generally, parking garage are pretty dreary.
Speaker 9: They are, and you know that was that garage Specifically.
Speaker 9: We're not building a new one, right, we're renovating money, but.
Speaker 4: There's always work costs.
Speaker 9: To that, and so as we're doing improvements to that,
Speaker 9: you know there will be valet from the Commntion Center
Speaker 9: hotel that will go in that. You know, we are looking.
Speaker 4: We're being really.
Speaker 9: Mindful of the entry that you know, how do you
Speaker 9: enter an exit to make sure that is you know,
Speaker 9: user friendly experience and looking all through all of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 2: So each parking spot is going to have its own
Speaker 2: Starbucks and there's probably gonna be like a beer garden
Speaker 2: because I know millennials, they can't do anything out of
Speaker 2: beer garden, I know exactly.
Speaker 9: And not to mention this, just to say, because I
Speaker 9: you're parking is a big, big thing, you know it is.
Speaker 9: We are keeping it open during construction as well, and
Speaker 9: so we wanted to make sure that there's still ample parking.
Speaker 9: And so as we're doing this construction project, you know,
Speaker 9: we're shifting as needed. And then you know, targeting to
Speaker 9: be complete by April twenty six.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to feel like Christy some odd The
Speaker 2: construction's going on for quite some time around there, and
Speaker 2: it's it's functioning right now, but it's hard because you know,
Speaker 2: you're putting a hotel in, you just finish a convention center.
Speaker 1: It's ongoing projects for years.
Speaker 2: So you got the outdoor terrace overlooking Fifth Street the
Speaker 2: convention center of the Wex Garage project twenty twenty eight,
Speaker 2: twenty third, twenty nine. You're in you're looking at this thing.
Speaker 2: What does that street level experience? What's First Street look
Speaker 2: like in the in those years?
Speaker 9: Yeah, you know it's gonna look extremely different, especially when
Speaker 9: you are coming off that highway. You know, on your
Speaker 9: left you see this beautiful new thought, like the new
Speaker 9: conventions that are on your right. You're going to have
Speaker 9: the convention that a hotel.
Speaker 4: It's going to be popping, you know.
Speaker 9: I mean, there's going to be a bar that overlooks
Speaker 9: this street. There's going to be full service restaurant. There's
Speaker 9: gonna be a lot of event space. So even if
Speaker 9: it's not just convintions that are users, there's going to
Speaker 9: be other events that are there, so it will be
Speaker 9: incredibly populated. And then you've got this amazing new crush
Speaker 9: that it is going to be so boogy that.
Speaker 4: It'll be great.
Speaker 9: And then you come on Elk Street Plaza and that's
Speaker 9: a whole nother area where you know, it's where the
Speaker 9: Money hotel was and now it's a two acre two
Speaker 9: and a half acre space that will be activated four conventions.
Speaker 9: But if it's not activated by the convention user, we'll
Speaker 9: use it as a programming aspect to again just add
Speaker 9: some life to it and get people something to do
Speaker 9: while they're you know, ask convention and they're coming out
Speaker 9: of it. And then you come and you know, the
Speaker 9: new pay s are just out there, reven cutting yesterday
Speaker 9: with paychecks. And on the ground floor you've got Slight Club,
Speaker 9: which is an often new entertainment concept.
Speaker 4: You got cells Are which is.
Speaker 9: A great new dinting experience, and then you've got I
Speaker 9: Do Headquarters it's above them with more office workers that
Speaker 9: are going to be there five days a week, with
Speaker 9: you know, plenty of office than in the Foundry. And
Speaker 9: then you follow to Fountain Square. So there's so much
Speaker 9: going on in this district corridor, the Fountain districts, and
Speaker 9: again like as we talk about competitive advantage, how are
Speaker 9: we selling this? This is this is that, this is excitement.
Speaker 9: This is the pace that you've seen and you're like, dang,
Speaker 9: I want to come.
Speaker 5: Back to the street.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, because from Fountain Square was like like an island,
Speaker 2: and now you're expanding, right you mentioned the Founder but
Speaker 2: also the Sacks building has been rebrided that that's going
Speaker 2: to be huge, and then it spills over to the
Speaker 2: convention Center. It's kind of growing out that way as well.
Speaker 2: All in, and let's say we start the new decade,
Speaker 2: Christy Samad twenty thirty coming up quick, quicker, sooner rather
Speaker 2: than later. On the back half of this one, you
Speaker 2: start twenty thirty, everything's up and running right for quite
Speaker 2: some time. What are those revenue projections look like? I'm
Speaker 2: gonna talk about jobs and tax spase.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I think that it's a huge opportunity
Speaker 9: for sins Anti. I think that, you know, as we
Speaker 9: look at then, we have all of this dempity. We've
Speaker 9: got more traffic, we have more people falling through. We're
Speaker 9: going to see more people moving downtown. We're going to
Speaker 9: see more people wanting to move their businesses downtown. So
Speaker 9: it's going to increase significantly.
Speaker 2: Okay, I hope so, because I mean, let's face it,
Speaker 2: and I'll be critical for a second here, the banks
Speaker 2: were supposed to be transformative to the riverfront, and that's
Speaker 2: dragged on forever, and it looks like this thing right
Speaker 2: now is on track to get done far sooner than that,
Speaker 2: and we need something to get go through. Fruition be
Speaker 2: completed so you can move on to the next thing.
Speaker 9: Exactly, and I think that you know, it's through.
Speaker 5: To the mission.
Speaker 4: You know, we want to make sure that you.
Speaker 9: Know, under our leadership we've been pretty quick to finish projects.
Speaker 9: We want to make sure that we're being thorough, we
Speaker 9: want to be mindful, we want to be strategic. But
Speaker 9: I think you know, as long as meeting to hit
Speaker 9: those deadlines and continue to think that what's the next step.
Speaker 9: And so you know, do you say, was all the
Speaker 9: convention Center and Sound District is booming, what's next? You know,
Speaker 9: it's looking at how do we continue to connect and
Speaker 9: while the banks will be getting finished, but like let's
Speaker 9: look north, how do we can continue to connect to
Speaker 9: over the Rhine things that you know, from Seventh Street
Speaker 9: to Central Parkway one of those opportunities that again you
Speaker 9: can continue to enhance, build on and bring more vibrancy.
Speaker 3: To the urban core.
Speaker 2: Well not only that, but also let's face it, we're starting,
Speaker 2: we have begun the Branch Spence Bridge Corridor project right now,
Speaker 2: and that is going to transform seventy five along that
Speaker 2: whole area of West End, kirk Queen's Gate and then
Speaker 2: back over again. And I'm sure you guys are looking
Speaker 2: at Hey, we're growing that way. Let's just keep pushing.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I mean it gives us a lot of opportunity.
Speaker 9: There's a lot of exciting things.
Speaker 4: And I think that at a.
Speaker 9: Time where when you look at other cities and you know,
Speaker 9: maybe the momentum is not there and there is more
Speaker 9: of an urban spraad. There's things happening we are not.
Speaker 9: We are continuing to invest again. It's that corporate community
Speaker 9: aspect and you know the city that all of our
Speaker 9: different partners that are really thing. There's a lot of excitement.
Speaker 6: That's happening now.
Speaker 2: Christy Samad, she's VP of Events, she knows it all.
Speaker 2: Senior vice pro. I'm sorry you got promoted a senior
Speaker 2: vice president.
Speaker 1: Chris, Christy.
Speaker 2: Thanks for coming on the show there, Christy Samad and
Speaker 2: all the best. Thanks for answering some questions this morning.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, got it.
Speaker 2: So we need some good news, right, and yeah, progress
Speaker 2: is good news. I think it's it's it's nice to
Speaker 2: have something shiny. It's all been nicer to bring people
Speaker 2: in from out of town show off our town, right,
Speaker 2: and then they leave their money here and we get
Speaker 2: to spend it. So good, so good and they just
Speaker 2: got the naming rights done. It's the first financial bank convention.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry the Donald J. Trump First Financial. Sure, Donald J.
Speaker 2: Trump First Financial said we're just gonna put her name
Speaker 2: on everything.
Speaker 1: Anyway.
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Speaker 2: What isn't going on these there is? And you know,
Speaker 2: I was often said criminals are stupid, and I think
Speaker 2: that the we'll get to the Nancy Guthrie abduction a second,
Speaker 2: because right now, whoever's doing that looks like they're may
Speaker 2: be smarter than the average bear. But again, what we
Speaker 2: know publicly and what the FBI and authorities know are
Speaker 2: two different things. UH could be enacting in arrest as
Speaker 2: we speak. Who knows born that. In just a second,
Speaker 2: I will point out though that here in Cincinnati, we
Speaker 2: had a I don't think there's a substantial haul, almost
Speaker 2: two hundred and twenty two thousand dollars stolen from a
Speaker 2: Brinks armored car that was servicing a Kroger on Harrison Avenue.
Speaker 2: So the Brinks truck is there, and basically that Brinks
Speaker 2: truck is you know, we've seen enough movies, and that
Speaker 2: Brinks truck is a safe on wheels with armed guys
Speaker 2: like in the in the truck itself. So two mass suspects,
Speaker 2: one of them of the gun, gets in, They grab
Speaker 2: the employees's holstered pistol. Partner takes the cassettes, which are
Speaker 2: the big boxes that go into the ATMs. They don't
Speaker 2: just sit there and load the cash in. It's taken
Speaker 2: somewhere else in the boxes. The cassettes as they were,
Speaker 2: are loaded into the ATMs. And so they get away
Speaker 2: with it. I mean literally, you had two hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty two thousand dollars in your hands, which probably would
Speaker 2: have lasted these two knuckleheads easily four or five days.
Speaker 2: The box get away. So they get the getaway car
Speaker 2: and a black hooptee. It dies like they're pulling out
Speaker 2: of the parking lot with the money in the car
Speaker 2: and the car dies. You can't make this up, you know,
Speaker 2: if you're planning something like this, and I can't imagine
Speaker 2: that you're looking at a brink truck going why don't
Speaker 2: we rob that truck right now?
Speaker 1: Now there has to be some thought in it. I
Speaker 1: would think, maybe not. I don't know.
Speaker 2: You gotta at least make sure your car works. Car
Speaker 2: dies in the parking lot like you forgot to get gas.
Speaker 2: So then they take the money to a second vehicle,
Speaker 2: which is a white four F one to fifty pickup truck.
Speaker 2: Now there's a lot of I have an F two
Speaker 2: to fifty, so it wasn't me but a white F
Speaker 2: one fifty.
Speaker 1: Lots of them out there.
Speaker 2: But they spotted the truck at North Bend police did
Speaker 2: they started to chase, they lost visual on it.
Speaker 1: That truck gets a flat tire. They find it in Westwood,
Speaker 1: So now.
Speaker 2: They bring the canines up and the canine tracks are
Speaker 2: sent from the abandoned truck. They find a plastic box
Speaker 2: and some cash along the route, saying well, people generally
Speaker 2: leave one hundred dollars bills laying around, and so they
Speaker 2: wind up finding the four empty money cassettes and inside
Speaker 2: the cassettes were the fingerprints of Cavin Newbolt. Calvin Nubolt,
Speaker 2: thirty six years old to bond Hill, was subsequently arrested
Speaker 2: by US Marshalls got a cell phone left that in
Speaker 2: the disabled vehicle as well, charged with aggravated robbery and
Speaker 2: felony stupidity. I believe it's the formal charge. Felony dumb
Speaker 2: asid rate is what Calvin is charged with. Like, I mean,
Speaker 2: they think it was that close to think about that.
Speaker 2: You got two or twenty one granted on the Brink truck,
Speaker 2: and I think that'd be the hardest part of the job,
Speaker 2: right is getting into the truck, getting the guards because
Speaker 2: they're trained and they you know they're they're armed as well,
Speaker 2: and you're able to overpower the two guards and take
Speaker 2: two hundred and twenty one thousand dollars. You'd think at
Speaker 2: that point, I that's pretty good. And you had had
Speaker 2: a second vehicle ready to go. I don't know if
Speaker 2: that second vehicle was an accomplice or maybe the car jacket.
Speaker 2: It seems to me, based on the story, is that
Speaker 2: it was a second car. So maybe there's a friend
Speaker 2: in the area of some idol. But these two nuckles
Speaker 2: I mean literally it was. It was almost Bengal like
Speaker 2: in the way that this was the most Bengals criminal
Speaker 2: enterprise of all time. You had it won and then
Speaker 2: you lost it. You literally grasped the feet from the
Speaker 2: jaws of victory. Well good, More dummies off the street,
Speaker 2: More dummies off the street. We also have the Savannah
Speaker 2: Guthrie cases I mentioned. Welly, now I should say now
Speaker 2: I keep saying Savannah's is her mom Nancy. We know
Speaker 2: that with you know, ties to local ties here. So
Speaker 2: the very latest on that's just want to update, I
Speaker 2: don't have anything. Wow, a little bit of new stuff here.
Speaker 2: So they found I get and this is after her
Speaker 2: latest video she's playing for the family that they want
Speaker 2: to give him money. And I guess there's maybe some
Speaker 2: light activity in that bitcoin account that they had set up.
Speaker 2: But authorities raided a home yesterday just outside of Tucson,
Speaker 2: and they thought, okay, well, maybe this is the guy.
Speaker 2: A person of interest in the case is what they
Speaker 2: call him. It's a person of interest and they subsely
Speaker 2: have released this individual. It's about sixty miles away south
Speaker 2: of Tucon in a town called Rio Rico, and the
Speaker 2: man is only identified as Carlos. He told the man, well,
Speaker 2: I hope they get the suspect, because I'm not it.
Speaker 2: He told that to the I believe the New York
Speaker 2: Times got a hold of this guy, said yeah, well
Speaker 2: what happens.
Speaker 1: Apparently he was a he's a delivery driver.
Speaker 2: And I think with the case is somebody or maybe
Speaker 2: video spotted him in the vicinity and they tracked him
Speaker 2: down to this house and said, well, yeah, good job
Speaker 2: checking it out. And they obviously went and searched his
Speaker 2: home at or warrant and came away with nothing and
Speaker 2: empty handed and released the guy.
Speaker 1: So they got you know.
Speaker 2: And I think the other thing too, is we've seen
Speaker 2: this in the past. Remember the Atlanta Park bomb in
Speaker 2: case in the ninety six Olympics, and it made a
Speaker 2: really great movie about this, and the security guard that
Speaker 2: you know, was falsely accused and it turns out that
Speaker 2: he was false skin and by then his reputation was ruined.
Speaker 2: And in this day and age where reputations get ruined
Speaker 2: and people get docked quite literally, and Julie Balks can
Speaker 2: actually be talking about that coming up as we talk
Speaker 2: careers and jobs and stuff. Just how quickly someone can
Speaker 2: get the wrong name and just double down on stupid
Speaker 2: and ruin your life. That that could have happened in
Speaker 2: this case, I mean, it still happened at this case,
Speaker 2: but apparently they released him and said, yeah, he's not
Speaker 2: the guy, or just fall up on leads and as
Speaker 2: far as we know right now, there's no movement here. Now,
Speaker 2: you know, the other element of this thing, too is
Speaker 2: what we know could literally fill a thimble. What the
Speaker 2: FBI knows is an entirely different thing, because I mean,
Speaker 2: think about it. You've got there was a camera on
Speaker 2: the outside of the house that they found. You wonder
Speaker 2: if that goes anywhere the obviously the ring doorbell and
Speaker 2: the account was deactivated, but it goes to show you
Speaker 2: in this digital age and this could should show be
Speaker 2: sober up a little bit. Is okay, your accounts de activated,
Speaker 2: but it's still recording video and so they're able to
Speaker 2: go to ring I guess, and get some of this
Speaker 2: video that they weren't able to get earlier simply because
Speaker 2: it was they called it artifacts or something like that.
Speaker 2: But goes to show you, I mean, the camera's always recording.
Speaker 2: Just because you don't have your subscription paid up doesn't
Speaker 2: mean it's not working, and what do they do with
Speaker 2: that data? Where does all that stuff go? That's pretty sobering,
Speaker 2: I think for all of us. And there's actually new
Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw.
Speaker 1: This or not.
Speaker 2: It kind of ties in. There's a Super Bowl commercial
Speaker 2: ring doorable. I have a ring doorbll maybe you do too,
Speaker 2: And there's a new technology that if your dog is lost, okay,
Speaker 2: it uses facial recognition basically, or maybe body recognition or
Speaker 2: dog breath recognition to identify the dog and hey, you
Speaker 2: upload images I guess maybe a front side profile view,
Speaker 2: aerial view, underview of the dog, and you put it
Speaker 2: into the algorithm and it will connect. It'll go and
Speaker 2: search other ring doorbells in your neighborhood with an a
Speaker 2: radius and is actively looking for your dog. If your
Speaker 2: dog walks in front of your neighbor's door, maybe a
Speaker 2: few blocks away or whatever street over, the camera is networked.
Speaker 2: It recognizes the dog and says, hey, this looks like
Speaker 2: you know your dog. It's over here in this particular neighborhood,
Speaker 2: which is like, wow, that's pretty cool. My dog gets loose.
Speaker 2: But if it could do with a dog, right, it
Speaker 2: should be able to do with people as well. And
Speaker 2: now we have facial recognition technology available for the home user,
Speaker 2: and we've had that for a while. I've got actually
Speaker 2: a garage door open a thing that you can have
Speaker 2: a setting on it that will recognize the person, let
Speaker 2: you know who's at the you know, at the door
Speaker 2: or whatever, which is pretty cool but also frightening at
Speaker 2: the same time. So if that technoloy is out there
Speaker 2: that previously has only been available to those in law enforcement,
Speaker 2: one may ask, maybe it makes it easier to get
Speaker 2: this captive. At the same time, it also makes if
Speaker 2: you're a you know, if you're not a fan of
Speaker 2: the Big Brother TV show, and even less of a
Speaker 2: fan of Big Brother and government this has cost for
Speaker 2: concern because that's in the private sector obviously, and you
Speaker 2: just wonder the FBI has access to all of the
Speaker 2: stuff and even more, how much information they really have
Speaker 2: on what they're releasing are two different things. So you know,
Speaker 2: you want to feel like, oh my god, it's been
Speaker 2: what eleven twelve days now, this poor woman and you know,
Speaker 2: what's the state of her.
Speaker 1: Breaking news.
Speaker 2: By the way, TMZ has apparently received a note on
Speaker 2: the whereabouts of Nancy Guthrie again, this is unsubstantiated too,
Speaker 2: because they've got to confirm. We've seen hoaxes in the past.
Speaker 2: Someone is arrested because they falsely sent out a ransom
Speaker 2: notes and they had nothing to do with this. But
Speaker 2: that person's going to prison for a long time. And
Speaker 2: so TMZ gets a note on Nancy Guthrie and maybe
Speaker 2: her whereabouts and hopefully she can prove oc to her family.
Speaker 2: But the story now gripping the nation. That's the very
Speaker 2: latest we note about this in the bitcoin account. You know,
Speaker 2: there's one in the ransom note. Apparently there's a little
Speaker 2: activity on as well, and certainly law enforcement is working
Speaker 2: diligently to bring her back home safely and repatriate her.
Speaker 2: But I can't imagine the family and what they've been
Speaker 2: going through for well over a week right now. So
Speaker 2: hopefully the FBI is figuring this stuff better than I think.
Speaker 2: We talk about government agencies. Hopefully the f beyondr. Keshptel
Speaker 2: is doing a much much better job than the FAA
Speaker 2: under Sean Duffy. I don't know if you called this
Speaker 2: or not. It was kind of a brief story. This
Speaker 2: is the shoot first, asked question later part of our
Speaker 2: government here. Uh So the FAA earlier this morning, I'm
Speaker 2: just about to come in at nine o'clock and they
Speaker 2: announced that airspace around El Paso, Texas.
Speaker 1: Now you know, you know, you've heard of l Paso.
Speaker 1: I know it's on the border.
Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure exactly where it, but al pass
Speaker 2: it's a big Their sauce is pretty good. L Passo,
Speaker 2: old l Passo. Uh, it's going to be close to
Speaker 2: the next ten days.
Speaker 6: Wait what.
Speaker 2: L pass is not that big a city, but big
Speaker 2: enough to know what al Passo is. And that's going
Speaker 2: to be close for the next ten days because of
Speaker 2: what they called special security reasons. So all flights to
Speaker 2: and from El Paso, which is an international airport by
Speaker 2: the way, is shut down for the first time since
Speaker 2: nine eleven for ten days. And just the announcement comes
Speaker 2: out just out of the blue from the FAA, and
Speaker 2: everyone in the aviation sectors going what the you saw?
Speaker 2: You know, Airline stock starts to blip a little bit.
Speaker 2: So all flights to and from l Passa are grounded,
Speaker 2: commercial cargo, general aviation. The whole airport, the whole field
Speaker 2: is shut down. Now I know that there is an
Speaker 2: army base there it's called Fort Bliss is in proximity
Speaker 2: of Al Paso. It's right there. So about an hour later,
Speaker 2: the FAA goes all clear, Wait what they said, there's
Speaker 2: no threat to commercial aviation. Everything's back to normal. Now
Speaker 2: you shut it down for ten days, and then an
Speaker 2: hour later go that you know, we figured it out,
Speaker 2: We're good. It's like a fourteen year old kid, apparently
Speaker 2: he's in charge of the fa Like, I get their
Speaker 2: security threats and you want to err on the side
Speaker 2: of caution for sure, one hundred percent. But again it
Speaker 2: goes to show for those people have their political ideologies
Speaker 2: set in stone that my side's always right, the other
Speaker 2: side's always wrong, and anti America regardless to what side
Speaker 2: you stand on. And this is simply it's patently felt. The
Speaker 2: problem is, hold on a second. You just shut down,
Speaker 2: You announce to the world that you're shutting an airport
Speaker 2: down for ten days, and then an hour later you go,
Speaker 2: never mind my bed. So what really happened, Well, apparently
Speaker 2: and Mexican cartel drones breached the US airspace because it's
Speaker 2: on the border, and so they temporarily closed the airspace
Speaker 2: overall Passo and the Defense Department because well, four plusses
Speaker 2: right there put their anti drones and anti drone systems up.
Speaker 2: They're able to disable the drones. And at the same time,
Speaker 2: I guess they were also that the army was testing
Speaker 2: their anti drone technology. So we're not sure if the
Speaker 2: brief airport closure is related to the presence of drones
Speaker 2: or if it was the technology or what it was,
Speaker 2: but it's pretty clearly a jump to go, hey, maybe
Speaker 2: you know, maybe you want to talk to another branch
Speaker 2: of government to figure out what they're doing. If you
Speaker 2: shut this down because they're testing anti drone technology, which
Speaker 2: is good, especially along the border, which is even better,
Speaker 2: maybe you didn't want to jump out and go I
Speaker 2: was shutting it down for ten days because you're freaking
Speaker 2: people out for no reason in a day and age
Speaker 2: where everyone's freaked out all the time. And the fact
Speaker 2: of the matter is, and I saw this tweet from a
Speaker 2: congressman went from El Paso and said, well, I didn't
Speaker 2: know what was going on, and you know, to act
Speaker 2: like that there's an incursion. A drone incursion is nothing new.
Speaker 2: There have been incursions from Mexico going back to as
Speaker 2: long as drones as existed. So was this something was
Speaker 2: this something unusual or part of the pattern here? So
Speaker 2: there's nothing extraordinary about it, is what she said. Now,
Speaker 2: at the same time, I look at those comments and go, well,
Speaker 2: you know, if we got Mexican cartel drones over the
Speaker 2: United States, rather than going, ah, what happens all the time,
Speaker 2: no big deal, maybe you want to make it a
Speaker 2: big deal. So the other side of this is, you know,
Speaker 2: because the administration's doing it, you people going it's no
Speaker 2: big deal, happens all the time. Well, why would you
Speaker 2: be complacent about drones from Mexican cartels flying over airspaces
Speaker 2: and Fort Bliss for them that matter? I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: I am concerned. I don't know about you, but I
Speaker 2: am concerned about that, you know, putting the political nonsense
Speaker 2: aside and just using some common dash cut just the dash,
Speaker 2: just the dash of common sense. Here you look in
Speaker 2: and go, well, okay, well we got Mexican cartel drones here,
Speaker 2: Well we can't have that. I mean, how that's more
Speaker 2: dangerous to me than illegals coming over the border. Most
Speaker 2: of the people crossing the border here just for a
Speaker 2: better life and trying to save their lives in the
Speaker 2: leves of their family make money. You know, there's probably
Speaker 2: some criminal swept up there for sure, but I think
Speaker 2: that's you know, is it overblong. We need to know
Speaker 2: what's coming across the border, for sure. But to me,
Speaker 2: the Mexican cartels find drones over airports and military bases,
Speaker 2: that escalates way above all that other stuff. Would you agree,
Speaker 2: because that is a clear and present danger. They're being
Speaker 2: run by Mexican drug cartels, like legitimately the worst people
Speaker 2: on the face of the world. So good, we have
Speaker 2: the technology knock these things down, but the comms was
Speaker 2: really bad on this, Like why would you just come
Speaker 2: out and blurt out we're shutting down the airspace rots
Speaker 2: an hour later go yeah, you know, never mind, we
Speaker 2: got it like that just and that's part of the
Speaker 2: problem here, is that, you know, there's just so quick,
Speaker 2: shoot from the hip kind of attitude it is. I
Speaker 2: think that's why collectively as Americans were exhausted because every
Speaker 2: day something like this comes out, you go, it's the
Speaker 2: worst thing in the world, and it's like, go on,
Speaker 2: never mind, And we've got three or four five of
Speaker 2: those plates spinning just like that every single day in
Speaker 2: this country. And it gets it's so exhausting. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying we should not deal with you don't misunderstand me.
Speaker 2: The drones bad thing. I don't accept the fact that
Speaker 2: it's normal to have Mexican drones across our border. That's
Speaker 2: our airspace, especially when you're talking about sensitive targets commercial
Speaker 2: and military aviation. You got to deal with that. But
Speaker 2: just jumping out and going ten days and I go,
Speaker 2: I never mind. It just it exhausts you, and then
Speaker 2: it also makes you distrustful of our leadership at this time.
Speaker 2: For sure, I'll get a news update and Julie Bouki
Speaker 2: is here. We talk career related stuff, and speaking of
Speaker 2: getting docs, there's a great story involving that, and really
Speaker 2: it's it's kind of hopeless if you're a business, if
Speaker 2: you wind up on the receiving end of the stuff.
Speaker 1: Any We'll get to that just ahead.
Speaker 2: Right after news update, Scott's Loan Show continues on seven
Speaker 2: hundred w WELWD.
Speaker 10: Giving you a vocational leg up on everyone else. Here's
Speaker 10: our career Julie Balki.
Speaker 2: Julie Bouke is here from places unknown in the beautiful Southwest.
Speaker 1: Good morning, how are you, Jules?
Speaker 5: Good morning?
Speaker 4: Just Dandy.
Speaker 2: Are you on the scene in Tucson as a police
Speaker 2: look for Nancy Guthrie any ideas?
Speaker 4: No, No, I'm in Phoenix. But that is quite an
Speaker 4: odd story.
Speaker 1: Not odd, frightening is what this is.
Speaker 4: Founding.
Speaker 2: It is in the day and age in which we live,
Speaker 2: of course, with AI and you know, now Crypto and
Speaker 2: all these things. You wonder if they're successful in God,
Speaker 2: you hope they're not successful here. But if they are,
Speaker 2: if this just encourages more people to do what they
Speaker 2: did with Nancy Guthrie shuddered to think that that's the case.
Speaker 2: But it's probably true because crime criminals are pretty opportunistic
Speaker 2: if they see an opportunity to do this good, badter
Speaker 2: and different they're going to do in the future.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I just it's it's so and I know we'really,
Speaker 4: I know we're only getting part of the information to lot,
Speaker 4: but it's it's really something. Man to give me a hope.
Speaker 2: They'll get caught. You only criminals are largely stupid. I
Speaker 2: was just talking in a story here about about these guys.
Speaker 2: They Robbie Brinks truck here in Cincinnati. They get away
Speaker 2: with almost two hundred and twenty three thousand dollars. They
Speaker 2: get the cassettes, which, as you know, the money is
Speaker 2: put in a cassette which is a big box that
Speaker 2: then goes into the ATM so you can get your
Speaker 2: money out if your cash money player like you. And
Speaker 2: so they got like four or five cassettes. They steal
Speaker 2: two hundred and twenty three thousand dollars. They get in
Speaker 2: their getaway car, it dies getting out of the parking lot.
Speaker 2: They then get picked up by a four f one
Speaker 2: fifty that then gets a flat tire. They find the
Speaker 2: cassettes near the truck and it's got the guy's fingerprints
Speaker 2: all over. Oh god, Oh and he left his cell
Speaker 2: phone and he left his cell phone in the first.
Speaker 4: Car that's there.
Speaker 2: I want to hope that there's a little bit of
Speaker 2: that guy in the People Who Got Nancy Guthrie, because
Speaker 2: you kind of need the stupidity break here.
Speaker 4: It's like, you know you're watching if you watch a
Speaker 4: dateline and up episode, after a while, you're like, don't
Speaker 4: buy the duct tape and the rope and the garbage
Speaker 4: bags and the shovel all the same.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, you don't do it everything, don't do it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, fingerprints and all that other stuff, and this
Speaker 2: is all has to do a lot of this is
Speaker 2: Nancy Guthri thing technology because of crypto enabling them to
Speaker 2: get money.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: But I also look at you know, AI look at data.
Speaker 2: I look at the fact that we live in a
Speaker 2: society now that's all pissed off over a thirteen minute
Speaker 2: free halftime Super Bowl show.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: In course, everyone's out to get everyone else online. And
Speaker 2: I think I brought this up a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 2: but this guy in Clairemont Connie had to close his
Speaker 2: furniture store because of a case of stake and identity.
Speaker 4: You see this, yes, yes, absolutely yeah. It started out
Speaker 4: of Clarksville, Tennessee, with a store there called the Furniture Connection,
Speaker 4: and this guy, the guy that owns it, his wife
Speaker 4: posted something really ugly, frankly on social media, and so
Speaker 4: the Keyboard Warriors went after her and by extension, went
Speaker 4: after him because they found out that they have a business.
Speaker 4: I don't know how involved she is in the business,
Speaker 4: but it doesn't matter, because the Keyboard Warriors said, we're
Speaker 4: going to take him down, and they did. And then
Speaker 4: we have this poor guy in Claremont County with the
Speaker 4: furniture store by the same name, who gets splashed by
Speaker 4: this because the keyboard Warriors are insane and it ends
Speaker 4: up costing him his business. He had nothing to do
Speaker 4: with the one. The only thing he had in common
Speaker 4: with the one in Tennessee was the name. And the
Speaker 4: guy in Tennessee he went out there and made this
Speaker 4: public sort of this video saying that was my wife,
Speaker 4: that was not me. I do not agree with her.
Speaker 4: Don't know if he does or not, but that's not
Speaker 4: the point. And so what are we doing here? I
Speaker 4: think the the we we call it docsing, but we
Speaker 4: are in this and are we so unhinged that we're
Speaker 4: going to go after We're not even you know, we're
Speaker 4: going to affect somebody several states away. Had nothing to
Speaker 4: do with this, even if we agree with what happened
Speaker 4: in Tennessee. I mean, it's it's over the top, and
Speaker 4: it's both ways. It's both sides. You know, there's no
Speaker 4: there's no innocent ones here, and it's just I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know where it's going to end. And now
Speaker 4: you put AI in there. I watch things on AI
Speaker 4: now and if I look at things online, I can't
Speaker 4: It's like ill look at it and go, is this AI?
Speaker 4: Is it not? When you can make anybody say anything
Speaker 4: you can, and the AA is getting better and better.
Speaker 1: It's hard to trust.
Speaker 2: Go you kind of want to see something, Oh yeah
Speaker 2: it's A and then you think it, well, whatever the's
Speaker 2: AI or not, And that's the images and the like,
Speaker 2: but also any thing. Now, I just you, we don't
Speaker 2: trust anybody anymore, and I think this increases the division
Speaker 2: we have and just adds more fuel to that fire.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, you know, I got it wrong, but
Speaker 2: I don't care because you know, we can't. We can't
Speaker 2: we're wrong anymore. And the real result is this guy
Speaker 2: in Tennessee nothing to do with what's going on in
Speaker 2: Clarmont County.
Speaker 6: He had to have.
Speaker 2: You know, it's furniture stores losing business because of the
Speaker 2: bad online reviews and it's just nasty, hateful comments and
Speaker 2: fake reviews and threats because the person who's doing that
Speaker 2: doesn't even bother to find out if this is indeed
Speaker 2: the same place or not, not even the same state.
Speaker 2: And that is to show you the level of stupidit
Speaker 2: that's out there in society today.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's scary, and I don't know. I don't
Speaker 4: know what is going to stop that or change it.
Speaker 4: I think it's sort of the wild West. I mean,
Speaker 4: even when you see something that's even if it's said, okay,
Speaker 4: you've got to put this is AI generated, you know,
Speaker 4: on everything you put out there, people won't do it.
Speaker 4: We make it. I'll see a thing and they'll think
Speaker 4: it doesn't sound like something So and so would say like, eh,
Speaker 4: you know, and I move on, But not everybody. We
Speaker 4: want to believe what supports our position. We want to
Speaker 4: believe what shores up. Yeah. Yeah, and we all follow it.
Speaker 4: I don't care. I don't care who we are, what
Speaker 4: side we're on. We all follow it. And so, you know,
Speaker 4: I talk all the time about when you've got to
Speaker 4: be so careful anything you comment on. I mean I
Speaker 4: see people commenting on stuff with their real names. You
Speaker 4: go back and look, and people people will then I
Speaker 4: don't like what they said. They go back and look,
Speaker 4: they find their social media is their social media accounts.
Speaker 4: They inform their employer, they inform their spouse, they inform
Speaker 4: their neighbors, they inform their church whatever it is, and
Speaker 4: and most of the time like why would you be
Speaker 4: so stupid? As to post that.
Speaker 2: We also just kind of follow what's what's going on?
Speaker 2: A funny, funny story. My wife, my my my wife's
Speaker 2: parents are in their eighties and you know, they don't
Speaker 2: stay up late enough to watch the super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Don't even care what the super Bowl is, but uh,
Speaker 1: it's talking.
Speaker 2: My wife was talking yesterday and outrage because the super
Speaker 2: Bowl halftime show, and she's, well, did you see it? No,
Speaker 2: but everyone outlie says the worst thing in the history
Speaker 2: of the world, and there should be banned. I'm like,
Speaker 2: now you're complaining about something you didn't even see. And
Speaker 2: I just wonder how many people are like that because
Speaker 2: someone told them or somebody, you know, taking her cue
Speaker 2: from I don't know Republicans for example, outrage about bad Bunny,
Speaker 2: and you know I get emails like well, Ane, The
Speaker 2: first complaint was it wasn't an English we didn't understand.
Speaker 2: The next day it was the follow awords that Bad
Speaker 2: Bunny was saying. Well, if you don't understand, if you
Speaker 2: don't understand the words and your kids don't speak Spanish,
Speaker 2: then you don't know what he said in the first place.
Speaker 1: You can't. But and I get it.
Speaker 2: You know, if bad words are said in Spanish. According
Speaker 2: to the SEC it really doesn't matter. But I'll point
Speaker 2: out that the alternative this was the kid Rock Show,
Speaker 2: and if you see the song he's saying blah blahlah blah.
Speaker 2: If you look at the lyrics of that, they're pretty bad.
Speaker 2: They're pretty offensive lyrics. And also kids should probably shouldn't
Speaker 2: be here about strippers and meth. So, you know, we
Speaker 2: just we feigned this ignorance and we already have our
Speaker 2: views not only made up, but also the people who influence,
Speaker 2: the influencers out there who we look to make their
Speaker 2: minds up when we just spout what they so we
Speaker 2: don't even think for ourselves anymore.
Speaker 4: It's terrible, no, No. And I think too that sometimes
Speaker 4: when we're really frustrated, we're really upset, we're really angry,
Speaker 4: we're really feeling powerless. One of the ways that we
Speaker 4: combat that is by taking on power in ways that
Speaker 4: we feel like we can embrace. And so I might
Speaker 4: feel like my life is out of control, you know,
Speaker 4: it's like my bills are rising, this and this and this.
Speaker 4: I don't nobody listens to me anymore, and so I
Speaker 4: lash out. I mean, just what your kids do? You
Speaker 4: know they'll come home and when they're teenagers, come home
Speaker 4: and complain about something. And I used to say when
Speaker 4: I was in HR, I'd get people coming in and
Speaker 4: complaining about, you know what color the walls were, the
Speaker 4: food and cafeteria, and I think, that's not really what
Speaker 4: you're complaining about. So I think a lot of times
Speaker 4: we direct our anger at things that we that feel safe,
Speaker 4: and when we're behind that screen on that keyboard, we
Speaker 4: feel really anonymous, and we aren't. And so you know,
Speaker 4: I think you've got to just take a pause. Yep,
Speaker 4: do you want to post something? Really think about what's
Speaker 4: the worst thing that can happen after I post this?
Speaker 4: And can I live with this?
Speaker 3: Fair?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 4: Then if you want to post it and post it.
Speaker 2: Speaking of posting stuff, this Pinterest story is just buck wild.
Speaker 2: You want to lay that out real quick. Here is
Speaker 2: really good by the way, Julie Balcaore career shu up
Speaker 2: are talking job related stuff even when it's not on
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 1: So the CEO is Bill Ready.
Speaker 2: Bill is the CEO of Pinterest, and he is going
Speaker 2: after staffers because they tracked. They came up with it
Speaker 2: was an app or a tool to track layoffs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so I.
Speaker 1: Got an easy solution for it.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 4: So this is just, I mean, these of the things
Speaker 4: that make me just say, gosh, I've been around the
Speaker 4: block too many times at this point, because it's it's
Speaker 4: just it's the same problems that keep coming up again.
Speaker 4: So he's mad because his employees came up with an
Speaker 4: app or a tracking tool to track layoffs in the company.
Speaker 4: He found out about it, and he lost his ever
Speaker 4: eleven mind and he called them obstructionist. What you know
Speaker 4: that it's like the who's the guy in Princess Bride.
Speaker 4: I do not think that word means what you think
Speaker 4: it means. It's not that's they're simply tracking what's going on.
Speaker 4: They're not stopping anything for simply reporting, creating transparency and
Speaker 4: reporting on what's happening in the company. And this is
Speaker 4: that CEO arrogance that says, I'm gonna do whatever I want.
Speaker 4: You clearly see what's happening. And you know, now that
Speaker 4: we have all these tools and all this technology, the
Speaker 4: rank and file employees can create transparency where they couldn't
Speaker 4: in the past. And they're saying, yeah, we're gonna you know,
Speaker 4: let's let's show what's happening here. And I think if
Speaker 4: you if you're afraid of transparency as a leader, and
Speaker 4: obviously you're not going to publish everyone's salaries. There are
Speaker 4: certain things that have privacy issues. But if you're having
Speaker 4: layoffs and you really think that people don't see what's
Speaker 4: going on and aren't talking about it, all they did
Speaker 4: was go one extra step and put it in create
Speaker 4: a tool to tract the layoffs, and that just hurt
Speaker 4: his whittle feeling.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know, companies expand and contract all
Speaker 2: the time. No one's putting a side up there because
Speaker 2: they're hiring. Now when people get let go and get
Speaker 2: got got as a case, when this contraction, you know,
Speaker 2: you got to take the lumps along with that. But
Speaker 2: it's not just pinterest, it's the tech sector is hammer
Speaker 2: good jobs right now. So you know, sometimes your skin
Speaker 2: is just I mean, you got to get thicker skin
Speaker 2: if you're CEO.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. And you know all the layoffs members
Speaker 4: that have crat the layoffs or the highest event since
Speaker 4: January of two than nine right now, and that was
Speaker 4: bad back then, and so yes, it is more bad
Speaker 4: news than good news. But if you're going to leave
Speaker 4: the company. That's part of why you're getting the big
Speaker 4: bucks is to take this lings and arrows and the
Speaker 4: dissatisfaction of your people. That's why you're paid well, that's
Speaker 4: why you get the bonuses. Yes, your job the tenuous,
Speaker 4: but that's why you're paid so well.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 4: So yeah, and you've got to you can't as a CEO.
Speaker 4: You can't establish trust with your people through open communications
Speaker 4: and being willing to answer difficult questions. You know, if
Speaker 4: you're going to hold that role, you have to be
Speaker 4: just as well. Look at these are political representatives to
Speaker 4: go to town halls and they don't like the question,
Speaker 4: so they leave. Oh yeah, that and genders trust. So
Speaker 4: this is a part of that response. It's not just
Speaker 4: the title in the big salery. You have to grow
Speaker 4: a thick skin and you have to look people in
Speaker 4: the eye. They may not always like your answers. You
Speaker 4: make it food, But that's part of holding the top job.
Speaker 4: That's part of what it is. That's part of the
Speaker 4: job description.
Speaker 2: I'll push back a little bit at that CEO or
Speaker 2: the case of what you're talking about. A politician goes
Speaker 2: to a town hall, right and they're elected officials. They
Speaker 2: want no one force them to take this job. They
Speaker 2: campaigned for this job, so it's a different thing. But
Speaker 2: by at the same time, you know, you go to
Speaker 2: town hall and you're like, hey, listen, I know there's
Speaker 2: you've got questions, there's tough questions, and that person's being vilified.
Speaker 2: But you know when people are actively booying you and
Speaker 2: everyone's yelling at the same time and shouting people down,
Speaker 2: I mean I get leaving at that point. It's like, well,
Speaker 2: if you want to have a conversation a dialogue, here,
Speaker 2: I'll talk and then I'll listen to your response and
Speaker 2: maybe we can come to common ground or we'll just disagree.
Speaker 1: But I'm here to answer the questions.
Speaker 2: But if you're gonna behave in a fashion much like
Speaker 2: the doctor of the Claremont County Furniture store, then you're
Speaker 2: wasting my time. So I don't blame somebody for walking
Speaker 2: off the stage at that point. If you're gonna have
Speaker 2: a respectful conversation, you want to know what I'm thinking.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to tell you, but you yelling at me
Speaker 2: and drowning me out with noise makers.
Speaker 1: It's childish.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a way of expressing your dissatisfaction. It is
Speaker 4: and it is. It is not saying it's appropriate, but
Speaker 4: it is. It is frustration of not it's the frustration
Speaker 4: of not being heard and having to get to that
Speaker 4: point where you're taking to the streets where you're yelling.
Speaker 4: I mean, it is an expression of frustration that you
Speaker 4: don't think the normal ways of that you already feel unheard,
Speaker 4: and we see that everywhere, and it's going to get
Speaker 4: worse because the younger generations, unlike us older folks, are
Speaker 4: not afraid, not afraid to express what they think, they believe,
Speaker 4: they have an opinion that needs to be heard.
Speaker 2: And because that's how we raise that's how we raise
Speaker 2: that generation as you were, you know, to not coin
Speaker 2: a term here, but the snowflake thing is true larger
Speaker 2: because it's like, we talked to you. You're special and
Speaker 2: you're different like everybody else, and your what you have,
Speaker 2: you have you have the ability to be heard, and
Speaker 2: you want to be seen, and you have agency and
Speaker 2: all these things. And we lift people up like that.
Speaker 2: It's like, well that's how they're going to act when
Speaker 2: they're at alls.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, for sure. There's a lot of stuff that
Speaker 4: we see with gen Z. I know so many wonderful
Speaker 4: younger people work for but there's for sure there is
Speaker 4: a little bit of the chickens coming home to roost
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Speaker 2: have a hand that dad's our vault, but people don't
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Speaker 2: times where've got to deliver bad news and people are
Speaker 2: going to be hurt, they're gonna be angry, they're going
Speaker 2: to be emotional about it, and you have to deal
Speaker 2: with that. You have to be above the fray and
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Speaker 2: I don't no one likes to lay people off, you know,
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Speaker 1: That's the downside of the job.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's absolutely part of it, that's right. And if
Speaker 4: you aren't built for that, fine, then don't take that job. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: the reason that people get paid so much more at
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Speaker 4: expected to handle conflict, you're expected to deliver the bad news,
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I've worked for people were the
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Speaker 2: the opinion of the organization was outside the facility than
Speaker 2: they were inside. To make well, if you address the
Speaker 2: inside stuff, you don't have to worry about the outside
Speaker 2: stuff as much.
Speaker 4: Right, So true, it's so true.
Speaker 2: Like if that doesn't get out there, well, why don't
Speaker 2: you do something to fix that? And then you know
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Speaker 2: There's a lot more information out there than that they
Speaker 2: have that we don't. I'm talking about the FBI here,
Speaker 2: So hopefully this single'll come to fruition before it goes
Speaker 2: onto two weeks, god forbid. We'll talk about healthcare reform
Speaker 2: with Terry Wilcox. She's a patient advocate, the patient side
Speaker 2: of the battle in Washington. What progress is being done.
Speaker 2: We have Trump our ex out and some our x
Speaker 2: as the website. We'll talk about that and also what's
Speaker 2: really being done in Washington, if anything, to try and
Speaker 2: bring in the costs of healthcare. We're worried about things
Speaker 2: happening outside the continental United States. We fight over Super
Speaker 2: Bowl halftime shows. How about fighting over healthcare and get
Speaker 2: this fixed? What do you say that's next? After news
Speaker 2: on the Home of the Red seven hundred WWT, Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: Scott a film show seven hundred WLW. While we fight
Speaker 2: over halftime shows, bridges to Canada, Iran, Venezuela, whatever. Our
Speaker 2: healthcare system continues to unravel. So we have insurance companies
Speaker 2: that are exploiting ACA subsidies. We have a hospital consolidation
Speaker 2: that drives up cost It decreases access for those in
Speaker 2: rural communities. You have administrative blowed. I could go on
Speaker 2: and on and on, and we need some remedy here.
Speaker 2: Terry Wilcox is the co founder chief mission offer at
Speaker 2: Patients Rising. That's an adovcacy organization for patients, which seemingly
Speaker 2: we don't care about in America.
Speaker 5: Terry, welcome, welcome, Thank you for having me, Scott, I
Speaker 5: appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, prayer right now. I mean the Trump administration
Speaker 2: is moving forward with the Trump our X thing. I
Speaker 2: looked at this and said, oh, there's some some deep
Speaker 2: discounts here. But at the same time, I also have
Speaker 2: a good RX card, which is a free market company
Speaker 2: that goes that basically gets reduced call for over the
Speaker 2: counters or not over the counts, I should say, for
Speaker 2: a prescription medicine, and a lot of the Good RX
Speaker 2: scripts are actually cheaper than Trump RX. It's always good
Speaker 2: to add more into the mix to get a better deal.
Speaker 2: But you know, again, it feels to be like, hey,
Speaker 2: we're going to do something that's already being done and
Speaker 2: take credit for it rather than just fix the system.
Speaker 5: No, someone, I do agree with you on that. I
Speaker 5: think to your point, the more you put out in
Speaker 5: the system and the more options that are available, the
Speaker 5: better look. A lot of those medications on trump rx
Speaker 5: do have generic counterparts. You can find them on Cost
Speaker 5: plus Drugs, mark Cusan's Cost plus Drugs and other places.
Speaker 5: Like you said, good rx you can find a generic version.
Speaker 5: You can also, you know, find the name brand versions.
Speaker 5: And I think that's what trump rx is linking to
Speaker 5: for the most part. And I think it's just one
Speaker 5: other narrative and one other way for us to insert
Speaker 5: something into the system, to show prices, to give patients options.
Speaker 5: Right right, If you want the name brand drug and
Speaker 5: you can't find it anywhere else, you can link here.
Speaker 5: Just going to be side system manufacturers have created for
Speaker 5: their name brand a lot of their name brands that
Speaker 5: like I just said, I already have generic.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: One of the other areas I want to get into
Speaker 2: is a hospital consolidation. I think that is like one
Speaker 2: of the unspoken things who often fight over the ACA
Speaker 2: and subsidies and we're going to kill the ACA and
Speaker 2: people are going to get loft off and not have
Speaker 2: health insurance, but all that money goes to insurance anyway.
Speaker 2: Hospital consolidation to me is a huge river cost right now.
Speaker 2: And so what does that look like on the ground
Speaker 2: for a patient trying to get care in Cincinnati or
Speaker 2: Columbus or Indianapolis or Dayton or Louisville.
Speaker 5: Well, basically, when you have hospital consolidation and a certain
Speaker 5: hospital system owns an entire area or in entire region
Speaker 5: or in some cases and entire states, there is no competition.
Speaker 5: And when there is no competition, there is no way
Speaker 5: for you know, patients just have to go where they're tools.
Speaker 5: So there's no price shopping, there's no looking, Oh i'd
Speaker 5: rather have this doctor that I think this place would
Speaker 5: be better for what I need. Oh, I can save
Speaker 5: more on my copay if I go here, or we
Speaker 5: could save money and pay for it out of our
Speaker 5: AHSA if we go here. There's no there's nothing for
Speaker 5: the patient to be able to think about. They're just
Speaker 5: sort of forced through. They're given, you know, a bill.
Speaker 5: Much later, I just went through this with my point.
Speaker 5: You're given a bill, you have no idea what the
Speaker 5: structure has costs when you go in, and then you're
Speaker 5: given you know what what your portion is, but there's
Speaker 5: no real conversation about what any of that is. And
Speaker 5: I think what we have to look at now is, Yes,
Speaker 5: insurance is made for emergency care, right, I mean it
Speaker 5: should be. I mean that's why you haven't you will
Speaker 5: help you from financial harm, whether it's home insurance, car
Speaker 5: insurance help, that's what it's supposed to do. And die introduce,
Speaker 5: you know. And what we have is this sort of
Speaker 5: healthcare card, right, and it just sort of pushes us
Speaker 5: through a system. And I experienced that here in Northern
Speaker 5: Virginia with the you know, folks that are in our
Speaker 5: network and patients, patients don't have any have any choices
Speaker 5: or options, and they run up against a lot of
Speaker 5: denials if they want something that the insurance company doesn't
Speaker 5: want in the hospitals do control all the pricing, so,
Speaker 5: you know, and they are One of the things that
Speaker 5: I say about the hospital lobby is the hospital lobby
Speaker 5: there is a hospital in every district in America America,
Speaker 5: so every every congressional member of Congress has a hospital
Speaker 5: in their district, right, and so it is a much
Speaker 5: tougher if it's a tough lobby to break, but it's
Speaker 5: one we need to break because it is it is
Speaker 5: monopolizing the system and the prices of the system, and
Speaker 5: they're not transparent and they're not accountable to the prices
Speaker 5: that they're charging.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the statistic is stunning as well. Hospitals are hiring
Speaker 2: ten administrators or every one doctor.
Speaker 1: Is that true?
Speaker 5: It is true from what I'm I mean, I've read
Speaker 5: the same studies you have. I Yeah, it's the administrative
Speaker 5: bloat to the map. And the truth is, we need
Speaker 5: more doctors and we need more healthcare professionals. We don't
Speaker 5: need more people pushing papers. You and I both know
Speaker 5: that we don't. And it's a disservice to access for patients. Yeah,
Speaker 5: facing shortages.
Speaker 1: That seems untembleed. So what's our tist. You're hiring that
Speaker 1: many more administrators, what's the point?
Speaker 5: Well, I you know why they hire that many more administrators.
Speaker 5: I think they created a system with a lot more paperwork, right,
Speaker 5: And that may not just be on the hospitals. I
Speaker 5: think a lot of that has to do.
Speaker 1: With well Medicare and government demand.
Speaker 5: Medicare and government medicare and government's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you go into your typical doctor's office, there's there's
Speaker 2: eight people working there. One of them is a nurse,
Speaker 2: the other seven are like medical coders and uh Medicare specialists.
Speaker 1: That's the problem. Get the get government out of our
Speaker 1: health care.
Speaker 5: It's all in the coding. And that is why, that
Speaker 5: is why many doctors, especially general practitioner or general practice
Speaker 5: doctors are leaving Medicare and Medicaid and all insurance altogether.
Speaker 5: And it's like, look, you can pay me a monthly
Speaker 5: fee and I'll be your doctor. It's called ther ext
Speaker 5: primary care because I can charge you a lot less
Speaker 5: and see you a lot more and give you a
Speaker 5: lot more of my attention if I don't have to
Speaker 5: worry about all the take of work and I'm not
Speaker 5: going yeah, yeah, and there. You know, it's really, you know,
Speaker 5: a fantastic system if you can even find one. My
Speaker 5: husband to find one. And the waiting lists are really long.
Speaker 2: You know, people who use it tend to because the
Speaker 2: the reviews of those who are on the Affordable Care
Speaker 2: Act enjoy enjoy it. It gets very very favable reviews,
Speaker 2: which is gonna be toughly tough to undue because it
Speaker 2: is popular with people who use Obamacare, there's no question
Speaker 2: about it. However, it's the root cause the problem of course,
Speaker 2: it's subsidy is that people are paying for something, and
Speaker 2: a lot more money is being wasted because you are
Speaker 2: basically giving people about your coupon groupon if you well
Speaker 2: for their healthcare. It's not a cost savings may save
Speaker 2: you personally, and you don't care about everybody else obviously,
Speaker 2: because it's your healthcare and it's cheaper, but it's it's subsidies.
Speaker 2: The problem here, how do we eliminate all that. It's
Speaker 2: almost impossible to eliminate subsidy, isn't it.
Speaker 5: Well, I think, well, first of all, we have subsidies
Speaker 5: on top of subsidies. We just didn't approve one round
Speaker 5: of subsidies, which everyone is calling the COVID subsidies, but
Speaker 5: it is still like heavily subsidized. It is still subsized
Speaker 5: for anybody who thinks that the subsidies, that was just
Speaker 5: another layer of subsidies. So I think that you know,
Speaker 5: a lot of people will often say, oh, let's repeal Obamacare,
Speaker 5: and I actually don't think at this point that is
Speaker 5: the answer. I think the answer is to put forth
Speaker 5: other ideas and create more opportunity for patients. And that's
Speaker 5: why I'm a part of a program club Fund the
Speaker 5: Patient and giving those more, giving more opportunities I think
Speaker 5: will open up the options for patients and perhaps Obamacare,
Speaker 5: which Obamasair was created, and I as the founder of
Speaker 5: Patients Rising, we have many patients who need insurance like
Speaker 5: Obamacare that's no pre existing conditions, all of those things,
Speaker 5: and it's you know, they they they love their Obamacare,
Speaker 5: they love their aciation, and they don't want to They
Speaker 5: don't want to have that go away because if there
Speaker 5: was a time in their life when they couldn't qualify
Speaker 5: for insurance, so you completely understand that that they still
Speaker 5: want that. And I do think that there's going to
Speaker 5: come to come a moment when we're going to need
Speaker 5: to really think about how we're going to take care
Speaker 5: of the most vulnerable in our systems, that need medications,
Speaker 5: that need health insurance on a monthly basis, not just
Speaker 5: an annual basis. Right what are what are those high
Speaker 5: risk schools look like? And is that some form of Obamacare?
Speaker 5: I don't know, right, I don't know yet. I think
Speaker 5: we don't have enough options right now. Our options are
Speaker 5: employer spocket plans, which is most people in the country,
Speaker 5: you know, our employer squonsor plants, but even employers are
Speaker 5: getting completed you know, even they're covering less and people
Speaker 5: are paying more out of the patient for their health insurance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no question, And it's hitting. It's all tens, all hard.
Speaker 2: And the problem is it's like there's no impetus for
Speaker 2: Congress to do anything. I mean, I mentioned what we
Speaker 2: focus on, what the national attention is right now, and
Speaker 2: it's all, you know, feel good nonsense. What are you
Speaker 2: doing about healthcare? And I think that people like like
Speaker 2: Green for example, she is upset that we're not focusing
Speaker 2: on the people's opposed to foreign intervention, which makes a
Speaker 2: lot of sense because that's not what Trump campaigned on.
Speaker 2: For sure, a lot of Maggie is starting to look
Speaker 2: at it go a wait, what about us? What about
Speaker 2: making America great again? I hear all this nonsense from
Speaker 2: other countries and it just a lot of it is confusing.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 2: In the core of this whole thing for all of
Speaker 2: us is healthcare. There's a lot of things we can
Speaker 2: focus on with our wallets, but healthcare impacts all of us.
Speaker 2: And you know, certainly Obamacare, as many people like it,
Speaker 2: it doesn't work because it's predicated on young people buying
Speaker 2: insurance that can't afford it. So they're not going to
Speaker 2: buy it because they're not using it, So that weakens
Speaker 2: the system. When we got to subsidize it, it was
Speaker 2: broken from the minute they signed this in the law.
Speaker 2: And now we're also the other end of this thing too,
Speaker 2: when it comes to those in Congress who aren't doing
Speaker 2: anything about this, is the fact that the lobby groups
Speaker 2: are getting to them and paying them off. I mean,
Speaker 2: we could do a widespread direct primary care, which I love.
Speaker 2: Direct pric cameric care means, you know, you cut the
Speaker 2: insurance companies out of it and you just pay your
Speaker 2: doctor directly, and it's much much cheaper because all the
Speaker 2: fat is taken out. So if you know, borring some
Speaker 2: sort of serious critical, debilitating illness, catastrophic illness, you simply
Speaker 2: go to your doctor for I don't know, it's like
Speaker 2: fifty bucks a month, and you get prescriptions. You get
Speaker 2: pretty much care when you want it. Everyone's happened. The
Speaker 2: doctor gets cash, you pay out of pocket. And yet
Speaker 2: that's being blocked, isn't it.
Speaker 5: It's absolutely being blocked. I mean there's people don't want
Speaker 5: patients to have control of these dollars. Look, we spend
Speaker 5: more than any country in the world on healthcare. The
Speaker 5: problem isn't underfunding. It's that money flows through layers of
Speaker 5: institutions and middlemen before it ever gets to the patient,
Speaker 5: and that this is turning that on its head. And
Speaker 5: this was in President Trump's Great American health Care Plan.
Speaker 5: It's what fund the patients cans for. It's like, let's
Speaker 5: get rid of that and let's try something a different way.
Speaker 5: Let's give money directly to patients and let them make
Speaker 5: decisions for their health care, whether it's direct primary care,
Speaker 5: whether it's whatever it is that they want to want
Speaker 5: to do what's best for their family, what's best in
Speaker 5: their region. I always say healthcare is local. It's actually
Speaker 5: not an action. I mean, generally we take care of
Speaker 5: a lot of it, but it's actually a local it's
Speaker 5: your health care practice, in your where you can go
Speaker 5: to receive health care. It's all local. So you know,
Speaker 5: right now, patients are locked out of the system. Healthcare
Speaker 5: is the only major purchase in America where the person
Speaker 5: paying and the person receiving the service often have no
Speaker 5: idea what anything costs. Right now, that's not a market, Scott,
Speaker 5: that's a main right. So we need to patients need
Speaker 5: to become the CEO of their healthcare loof, We've had
Speaker 5: a very passive system for a while. Right, For a
Speaker 5: long time, it was like you remember this, you could
Speaker 5: get your health insurance and you would go to the
Speaker 5: counter at the pharmacy country and be like five bucks
Speaker 5: for generic, twenty five bucks for pre game brand. Well,
Speaker 5: we're not there anymore. First of all, innovation has transformed
Speaker 5: in the types of medications and the degree of medications
Speaker 5: that we you know, the biologics and all the things
Speaker 5: that come on the market. They're much more expensive than
Speaker 5: the you know, main brands of the nineties, right a
Speaker 5: lot of times, so I think we really have to
Speaker 5: put patients back and chalk and that's you know right now,
Speaker 5: we've got consolidation, like we talked about early with possibles
Speaker 5: crushing competition. Yeah, there's a lot to be done, and
Speaker 5: there's a lot of Congress can do just by opening
Speaker 5: up the ability to have choice. She is do anything drastic?
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Yeah, choice reduces price. But as much as
Speaker 2: in this case Republicans scream about it or Democrats with
Speaker 2: the Obamacare, which is a really choice, nothing is getting done.
Speaker 2: So Terry Wilcox with fund the Patient Patient advocacy grew
Speaker 2: up're talking about, obviously, the healthcare crisis that Republicans and
Speaker 2: Democrats don't seem to be addressing. Now, Trump did come
Speaker 2: out and roll out trump a RAX and there's some
Speaker 2: other things. Does that really move the needle all that much?
Speaker 2: I mean, the idea that we're going to use our
Speaker 2: HSA cards going, yeah, we're gonna put money in your
Speaker 2: HSA account and you can go out and shop. But
Speaker 2: does that actually alleviate where we're talking about You're just
Speaker 2: going to wind up because if it's so bloated and inflated,
Speaker 2: you're just going to take the little money you have
Speaker 2: and continue to throw it into companies that have a
Speaker 2: lot of waste, fraud abuse.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's a good question, what you know. I
Speaker 5: think one of the things that we have to think
Speaker 5: about is you can't just then say your only option
Speaker 5: is this one kind of plan. I think one of
Speaker 5: the things that has to be done is not just
Speaker 5: not dismantling Obamacare, in my opinions, but creating other options
Speaker 5: so that there's other types of plans out there that
Speaker 5: there are actually you know, catastrophic plans of yesteryear that
Speaker 5: are beyond a few months right, that people can make
Speaker 5: that choice, that people can, like you said, get direct
Speaker 5: primary care, other types of health care that they deal
Speaker 5: is best for their families and make those decisions. I
Speaker 5: think one patients are in control of their healthcare dollar orders,
Speaker 5: that that will open up more competition. I don't think
Speaker 5: we know the full answer to what that is, and
Speaker 5: I think we have to, you know, step out a
Speaker 5: little bit and trust the people. Even if it's the
Speaker 5: pilot program. We're going to try this. Let's see how
Speaker 5: this moves the needle. Yeah, I don't think that you
Speaker 5: don't get something that's floated over decades and change it over.
Speaker 5: And we all know anything having to do with government
Speaker 5: is not going to change overnight, right, So how can
Speaker 5: we take steps to move in the right direction to
Speaker 5: give patients more agency?
Speaker 2: And I don't know if we will, because Alan said
Speaker 2: the easiest thing to do is your Congress will go
Speaker 2: Look from now on, you can't you know, employer can't
Speaker 2: give you healthcare, and now we all people who have
Speaker 2: it less seemingly like it. I know ours is great
Speaker 2: and I certainly won't want to give it up. But
Speaker 2: the only way to wipe all this stuff out is
Speaker 2: say you know, government's out of outside of medicaid, but
Speaker 2: you know, government insurance companies go buy it like you
Speaker 2: buy your homeowners, your car insurance and everything else in
Speaker 2: the free market. Uh, And there'll be enough savings left
Speaker 2: over from the bloat to fly people who can't afford that.
Speaker 2: And the system is private because you're going to buy
Speaker 2: it with your own money. But then there's subsidy for
Speaker 2: those folks who can't. And that would seemingly work, but
Speaker 2: the problem is that the administrative state continues to grow.
Speaker 1: And I mentioned lobbyists though.
Speaker 2: And you know, it's the reason why they won't allow
Speaker 2: direct primary care is because the insurance lobby is so
Speaker 2: so fat and happy throwing money at politicians who don't
Speaker 2: want to change in it. And I don't care if
Speaker 2: you're a Democrat or Republican. That's what it feels like
Speaker 2: to me. And meanwhile, it's like, oh, here's some money
Speaker 2: for ahs. Ain't great. I'm getting fifty bucks a month,
Speaker 2: but the price of insurance has costing me like three
Speaker 2: hundred dollars a month. The math does a math for
Speaker 2: working people well.
Speaker 5: And I also think that I do think employers are
Speaker 5: at a breaking point. I do actually think that the employers,
Speaker 5: even the big, even the large ones. I mean, if
Speaker 5: you basically said, let's take you know, a portion of
Speaker 5: that many because like, look, the average family of cod
Speaker 5: at a corporation is paying it's twenty seven thousand dollars
Speaker 5: a year for their employee and their thousands to kiss
Speaker 5: or whatever the pat is. Right, that's a lot of money.
Speaker 5: You know, that's a lot of wage money. So what
Speaker 5: if they took that and said, Okay, we're going to
Speaker 5: put this amount of money into a some kind of
Speaker 5: special employer HSA or employer account where you you go
Speaker 5: choose it. Because I do always I am a firm
Speaker 5: believer that the healthcare plan, whatever it is, should follow
Speaker 5: the patient. I do not think that my I do
Speaker 5: not want my employer in charge of what plan I
Speaker 5: pick or what it is, how much it costs. I
Speaker 5: would rather have the money and shop. And it's because
Speaker 5: prices are hidden from patient. It's because patients don't have
Speaker 5: to say that the pricing is so bloated and out
Speaker 5: of control.
Speaker 1: Great, I think, and I think there's another important point here.
Speaker 2: I'll leave it at this Terry, and that is that
Speaker 2: now we live in a gig economy. You know, people
Speaker 2: are are side hustle and side hustle to become main hustles,
Speaker 2: and the side hustles have side hustles. Now, imagine if
Speaker 2: you could get your own insurance and do all that,
Speaker 2: I mean what the economy would explode because people aren't
Speaker 2: tied to one job now where they get an or
Speaker 2: one spouse gets health insurance. If you could take it
Speaker 2: with you, uh, the gig economy would be on steroids.
Speaker 2: It would totally reinvent the American economy. But again, it's
Speaker 2: all that lobby money, the insurance money, the hospital money
Speaker 2: that's keeping us where we are and keeping it stagnant.
Speaker 2: Terry Wilcox the founder, co founder, in chief mission officer
Speaker 2: and Patients Rising. They're an advocacy organization for patients. Great
Speaker 2: to chat with this morning. Terry, thanks again, thank you.
Speaker 2: You want to hope it changes, but the reality is
Speaker 2: is it really going to change? News is on the
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Speaker 2: put those balls in your mouth and you give me
Speaker 2: a rating.
Speaker 6: Let's go.
Speaker 7: He's over there, you weirdo. Okay, wait, can you explain
Speaker 7: this this meatball real quick?
Speaker 2: All right, So, chef, he's brought food for years, he's
Speaker 2: been at the Governor's house and they brought and it's
Speaker 2: if you can get to company. It's fantastic. You brought
Speaker 2: the mushroom Mazota, which is notoriously difficult to travel.
Speaker 8: You did a good job on that one.
Speaker 6: I did it this morning.
Speaker 2: And he's got the meatballs going and Sarah's about to
Speaker 2: give us a review.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, good good.
Speaker 1: Next good mix was born?
Speaker 6: I put too much garlic, and you know there's not
Speaker 6: too much of anything. People cry about garlic.
Speaker 7: I as as you can.
Speaker 1: You gotta have the garlic start.
Speaker 6: To smell real good in this room.
Speaker 2: All that garlic, and you got the beef. He's got
Speaker 2: short room, a little veal in there. It's nicey nice,
Speaker 2: some bread crumbs, perfect, sir.
Speaker 6: This is a delicious What's about?
Speaker 1: What if you're to have one thing on the many,
Speaker 1: what would it be?
Speaker 8: Actually the short rib? I love the short rib. Still
Speaker 8: cook it for about nine hours. We serve it over
Speaker 8: meshed potatoes, homemade, and then finish it with honey glazed carrots.
Speaker 8: Had a red wine demi over the top of that.
Speaker 8: My second favorite does the poor shank also boco. We
Speaker 8: slow cooked that for eight hours. We served that over
Speaker 8: risotto parmesan, and then we finished that with a white
Speaker 8: wine vegetable chutney with ben shat.
Speaker 2: So you know what you're doing, because very very few
Speaker 2: places are gonna do an also buco or a virgili.
Speaker 2: We're talking about if you're a telling you know bil,
Speaker 2: nobody does brigil No one does.
Speaker 6: Know the only place I had it it was no
Speaker 6: good side. This is that is my great, great grandmother's.
Speaker 8: Resting, all right, I gotta get my mama shout because
Speaker 8: she's the one that taught me how to make it though. Okay,
Speaker 8: So I passed on a few of my dishes into
Speaker 8: the restaurants.
Speaker 1: So I like the sauce sauce.
Speaker 8: That's her family sauce as well. So what I do
Speaker 8: is I do a wag oose skirt steams. We pound
Speaker 8: it out, then we we uh we stuff it with
Speaker 8: persudo guda, permisan cheese, su herbs and spice it. We
Speaker 8: slow cook it for about six and a half hours,
Speaker 8: and we serve it like a meatball. We treated just
Speaker 8: like a meatball. They're an appetizer on top of post.
Speaker 2: That's all the brazing and slow cooking six hours. You
Speaker 2: start cooking for Wednesday service on point Sunday.
Speaker 8: Yeah before before, Yeah, we have a We have a
Speaker 8: girl and she doesn't want her names Kelly.
Speaker 6: She does of our prepping.
Speaker 8: She keeps everything consistent and she's in every morning at
Speaker 8: five am.
Speaker 6: Yeah, cooks it.
Speaker 1: So you don't have to get it at five A
Speaker 1: usually today I do it today.
Speaker 6: To the woman to handle the meat the right way.
Speaker 1: Yes, Sarah, no stranger.
Speaker 6: I love cooking. I think it's therapeutic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. I love it.
Speaker 2: I get my buddies are like what you you know,
Speaker 2: like I like that. I like cooking. I like trying
Speaker 2: different things.
Speaker 7: We got on the grill last night. I'm like, it's
Speaker 7: sixty degrees outside. You gotta get out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, alright, go see Chef Jimmy and his team at Governor.
Speaker 2: So they're going to be at Mariograph for homeless seem
Speaker 2: on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: What are you cooking for that we're doing.
Speaker 6: We're doing short rib over mashed potatoes. Oh my god, we're.
Speaker 8: Doing a wild mushroom. I'm sorry, we're doing it over risotta.
Speaker 8: My apologies. Okay, we're doing a wild mushroom risotta and
Speaker 8: the short room. I wanted to do something different than
Speaker 8: we did ourn you're bringing up.
Speaker 2: And here's the thing is, I know you guys do
Speaker 2: this on the arm, so it's you know, it's for
Speaker 2: the cause. And I really appreciate you and all the
Speaker 2: other restauranteurs for coming in and volunteering and doing that.
Speaker 1: Giving your night up first. Yeah, support this clause.
Speaker 7: I think we've got over fifty restaurants from the tri
Speaker 7: stage showing up fifty.
Speaker 1: It's an amazing event.
Speaker 6: I bet this year is gonna better last. I think
Speaker 6: it's gonna be the biggest one.
Speaker 2: Yes, I know you guys are taking a hit on Tuesday,
Speaker 2: but I appreciate you, Jimmy, thanks for coming in, buddy,
Speaker 2: appreciate go to Governor says.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, this is some of the best Italian
Speaker 1: I've had my life.
Speaker 6: It is delicious. That's thank you.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 7: Have you ever gotten in trouble on your day off
Speaker 7: the boss calls you up, like, hey, you can't be
Speaker 7: doing that.
Speaker 6: We'll get back to that in.
Speaker 1: Just a moment you're talking about.
Speaker 7: But we got to give credit to Miami University. The
Speaker 7: men's basketball team is the loan undefeated team when it
Speaker 7: comes to basketball in this country. Absolutely, Arizona getting the
Speaker 7: big l the other night and they got Yep, They've
Speaker 7: got a big one on Friday night against.
Speaker 6: Oh You, Tom Brenneman's Oh You against my alma mater.
Speaker 7: It's gonna be big at my Letts. I think it's
Speaker 7: going to be even a It's going to be a
Speaker 7: bigger crowd than it was.
Speaker 2: I know that Miami is still undefeated. Sarah was wearing
Speaker 2: the Miami hat with the tag still I've had.
Speaker 7: This thing since I graduated. We don't need to.
Speaker 6: It's a pretty old hat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a black and white.
Speaker 6: They want to make hats in color.
Speaker 1: When I also got an Indian on it.
Speaker 7: I can confidently say that I graduated as a Red Hawk.
Speaker 6: The thing that I hate the most is like, oh,
Speaker 6: you were there with ben O.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 6: We did not cross paths.
Speaker 1: You didn't run into No, I did not.
Speaker 7: But justin Viive and I our captain with the Sincinnty Cyclones.
Speaker 7: We did go to Miami together and honor yes, captain
Speaker 7: of the Cyclones.
Speaker 6: Very cool.
Speaker 1: Rick is a superstar in the NHL.
Speaker 7: Was yeah, okay, So we were just talking about getting
Speaker 7: a call on your day off. So Ellie de la
Speaker 7: Cruz is trending on social media because he was out, well,
Speaker 7: not exactly riding dirt bikes, but his pictures and videos
Speaker 7: were trending on social media of him and his buddies
Speaker 7: on dirt bikes. So the reds GM Brad Mehta calls.
Speaker 7: He's like a thinking, Ellie, what are you doing? So
Speaker 7: brad Mehta reported back to media and he goes, I
Speaker 7: talked to Ellie. He told me that he wasn't riding it,
Speaker 7: he was doing it just for the video.
Speaker 1: Sure he was.
Speaker 7: Can you imagine that conversation though, between Brad Mehta and
Speaker 7: Ellie de la Cruz, like, hey, buddy.
Speaker 6: What you're doing? Ellie's like.
Speaker 1: Rember, He's ride his motorcycle and he cur himself, and.
Speaker 7: I think that went through Brad's head, like, uh oh,
Speaker 7: this is risky. So do you think that Ellie was
Speaker 7: just feeding him line? Was he just doing it for
Speaker 7: the gram or was he actually out and about on
Speaker 7: his bike?
Speaker 1: Jimmy, you got any right motorcycles?
Speaker 6: You look like a few, my dad.
Speaker 8: I gotta, I gotta, I go, I go jeeping mostly
Speaker 8: I got a four wheel drive.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I put this in the same sphere as my people
Speaker 8: going out and drinking the night before Valentine's Day. That's there, okay,
Speaker 8: got oh yeah, I go actually walk around the square
Speaker 8: and make sure they're not around and let them know
Speaker 8: that I know what they're doing.
Speaker 7: I better not see what Molly Malone's on February thirteen.
Speaker 6: Until you guys are sold out this week after booked
Speaker 6: Friday and Saturday, we're all booked up.
Speaker 1: Nothing more romantic than Italian.
Speaker 8: The only ones let is that occasional guy that calls
Speaker 8: up and starts crying on the phone.
Speaker 1: I got a table next to the dumpster.
Speaker 6: Actually, can we get in? These are really good.
Speaker 2: You gotta put a table cut on the grease trap
Speaker 2: cover and that's where you can sit next to the
Speaker 2: bat for dumb ass.
Speaker 7: Wait in the last minute, what do you think We
Speaker 7: hope Alli is staying off those dirt bikes.
Speaker 1: What else you got?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 7: Well, today is the first workout for pictures and catchers.
Speaker 7: How exciting. Just over forty days to go until opening day.
Speaker 7: But this Valentine's Day, speaking of, it's a big one
Speaker 7: because all hands on deck. Everybody's reporting to camp. If
Speaker 7: they haven't already, let's see us already there, good good vibes.
Speaker 7: Only love Ito Suarez, and I guess the entire team.
Speaker 6: According to Tito last night on the Hot Stove.
Speaker 7: League, they were all very excited to see him. Gotcha,
Speaker 7: that's kind of the face of the team right now,
Speaker 7: don't you think.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it was kind of like this unexpected
Speaker 2: push and the guy no one's looking forward to get
Speaker 2: out to Arizona.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I'd be smiling too. If I got his contract,
Speaker 7: that's a nice contact.
Speaker 2: Paid a little bit and hopefully can produce for us here.
Speaker 2: And now there's hope in Red's Land, is what you're saying.
Speaker 2: Opening day at the Grail should be a hot I think.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, that' should be a good one. I think
Speaker 7: he really turned everything around. He's going to get people
Speaker 7: in the seats. Also, someone having a good week, Tyler
Speaker 7: Stevenson because he won his arbitration case yesterday, getting a
Speaker 7: cool six point eight million dollars meatballs. Oh yeah, you
Speaker 7: can get a lot of meat with that.
Speaker 6: Tyler Stevenson. If you're not in Arizona and you are listening,
Speaker 6: you are longing to go in, spend your money and coming. Yeah,
Speaker 6: how many meatballs can you get for that?
Speaker 2: Math lifetime meatballs?
Speaker 6: He comes in by me, all right, let's go. Dode
Speaker 6: Sloane and I get the same treatment. Absolutely no.
Speaker 1: We get charged in. We get the bill.
Speaker 6: You guys get double.
Speaker 2: I opened up the check and it's a it's his
Speaker 2: bill too. I was like, that's great charge, Spenser, Like
Speaker 2: you got in too.
Speaker 6: Everybody has to know, I know, except for Tyler Seeds.
Speaker 2: He comes in, he's on my List had a story
Speaker 2: that said, there's a guy in college just got his
Speaker 2: ninth year of eligibility.
Speaker 1: A you're familiar with, Well, now what's going on?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 1: How dumb are you? You need nine years?
Speaker 6: What's he doing?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 6: Stack years.
Speaker 1: It took me thirty years to get through, for God's ake,
Speaker 1: that's a problem there. I don't know, all right.
Speaker 7: I remember those bush tree people in the super Bowl.
Speaker 2: It was only Sunday. I mean, I'm not that old,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna forget. I don't know, almighty Sunday. I
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, I just yeah, with super Bowl on Sunday.
Speaker 7: Yet, do you know those trees that were in the
Speaker 7: halftime performance?
Speaker 6: Those were little people. Hundreds of people in those.
Speaker 1: Trees, all small people. Not little people.
Speaker 7: No, they had to be between five seven and six
Speaker 7: foot tall. So bad Bunny released this thing like a
Speaker 7: couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: Before, probably had the day out.
Speaker 6: That's why Jack was gone.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so he goes, look, I can't say what's going on,
Speaker 7: but I am looking for people on this specific height range,
Speaker 7: and so they could be in those trees and you
Speaker 7: saw them like walk out onto the field and then
Speaker 7: they just stood there for the entire fifteen minutes that
Speaker 7: Bad Bonnie were forming. They did get paid for that.
Speaker 7: What do you think that they got paid to be trees?
Speaker 1: I heard it.
Speaker 6: I heard it, so you know, then shut up. You
Speaker 6: brought it up.
Speaker 1: I didn't say it.
Speaker 7: Then you can't guess what do you think they got
Speaker 7: paid to be trees? It's actually way lower than I thought.
Speaker 6: I'll just say three.
Speaker 1: No, No, that's la money though.
Speaker 6: Well, no, it's like a hundred ticket you get to come.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 6: This was an hourly thing, like an hourly rate.
Speaker 7: They got eighteen dollars and seventy cents an hour.
Speaker 6: What trees?
Speaker 7: What it was like thirteen undred dollars. Well, they put
Speaker 7: in seventy hours of work. It's total to be thirteen
Speaker 7: oh nine.
Speaker 6: Okay, okay, okay, okay, that's that's again.
Speaker 8: They got a little bit more than they got to
Speaker 8: practice being trees.
Speaker 6: Yeah, to a tree.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of trouble. Then, you know, you get
Speaker 2: the police. Canine takes a week on you.
Speaker 6: You got problem, You got problem.
Speaker 2: Start eating the grass. The dog starts eating grass and
Speaker 2: puke and that's a thing. That's a whole big thing.
Speaker 6: It's a risk to be a tree.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very risky.
Speaker 6: I thought that was interesting on social media.
Speaker 2: Like third grade, Oliver, I was the tree in the
Speaker 2: back row. There is a picture of me at the
Speaker 2: super Bowl.
Speaker 7: Hey, and you never know where anything being a tree
Speaker 7: in third grade is going to get you. I would
Speaker 7: be performing with Bad Bunny at the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: My wife has eyes like like a hawk or an owl,
Speaker 2: and she said from the jump, she goes, those are
Speaker 2: people behind there.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what, what the hell are you looking at him?
Speaker 8: Like?
Speaker 1: They look like I couldn't see.
Speaker 6: Well, it's funny.
Speaker 7: Those people are really capitalizing on TikTok because all the
Speaker 7: tree people are getting on their pages and making videos about.
Speaker 6: Being a tree in that performance.
Speaker 7: And they wore this like green suit and like little
Speaker 7: shoes and they're just you know, fuzzy.
Speaker 6: All right, it's just funny.
Speaker 10: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I wonder how quickly. I was like, how are they
Speaker 2: gonna get all that stuff out of there? It's easy
Speaker 2: if the tree moves by itself. Yeah, yeah, I like
Speaker 2: it exactly.
Speaker 7: And earlier today we were talking about that angry congressman
Speaker 7: in Tennessee.
Speaker 6: His name is Andy O. Goles. He was not happy
Speaker 6: with the halftime performance.
Speaker 7: So he's requesting a formal congressional inquiry into the NICA
Speaker 7: and NBC for the prior knowledge of approval of this
Speaker 7: halftime show.
Speaker 1: What what was the offense?
Speaker 6: He said, it was pure smut.
Speaker 7: Were forced to endure displays of gay sexual acts. Women
Speaker 7: were gyrating provocatively, and he was really uncomfortable with Bad
Speaker 7: Bunny grabbing his crotch while dry pumping the air.
Speaker 2: Everybody, everything is a microaggression with people.
Speaker 1: Now, it's a it was thirteen minutes.
Speaker 6: Just stop. And honestly, I thought it was very conservative.
Speaker 1: It was all right.
Speaker 2: I mean the women dancing was like, I, we can
Speaker 2: the cheerleaders dress more scantily in dancing.
Speaker 7: Go to an NBA game, We get that for no
Speaker 7: matter what kind of performance you're watching, people took the well,
Speaker 7: you don't understand.
Speaker 2: It wasn't an English are now offended by the lyrics
Speaker 2: they couldn't understand in the first place.
Speaker 6: And that's what I saying. Is not happy with the lyrics.
Speaker 7: He's a this is a clear violation of FCC guidelines.
Speaker 2: And meanwhile, it's like then tune of the All American
Speaker 2: One where Kid Rock is singing blah blah ball, which
Speaker 2: if you look at the lyrics of that, you.
Speaker 6: Had to take a deep dive into that. He was
Speaker 6: busted for sinking he wasn't actually singing.
Speaker 2: Surprised, I'll tell you, if you have never seen Kid Rock,
Speaker 2: that's a great show.
Speaker 6: I've never seen him before about half dozen times. I'm
Speaker 6: not against it, but but you know what the.
Speaker 2: Saying is, I'm not offended by Kid Rock or Bad
Speaker 2: Bunny for that matter. It's like whatever, No, they're.
Speaker 6: Both entertainers, you know, killing it in their own department.
Speaker 6: You want to go into the game. I thought they
Speaker 6: show was awesome. I thought it was fun.
Speaker 1: It was something dish I understood by Spanish better. But
Speaker 1: you're to kitchen Spanish.
Speaker 6: Spanish? What did you think of the performance? Did you
Speaker 6: like it? I mean it was good, it was.
Speaker 1: Good, all right?
Speaker 2: All right, see Shift Jimmy Comedy. He'll be at uh,
Speaker 2: He'll be at our event on Fat Tuesday.
Speaker 7: They're still available for that. So if you're looking for
Speaker 7: something to get for your valandie.
Speaker 2: Fantastic anally there's more food than you can eat there.
Speaker 2: Marty Grout twenty twenty six, Dot our Jimmie, thanks for
Speaker 2: coming to appreciate you brother. Sarah, appreciate you brother, Thank you,
Speaker 2: Sister seven hundred, all the time,