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Speaker 1: Human from the fish filled Midwest lakes to the deep

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Speaker 1: woods of the North Upland prairies filled with pheasants, to

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Speaker 1: the whistling wings of duck ponds. This is Saturday Morning

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Speaker 1: Fan Outdoors, your show for hunting and fishing tips, topics

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Speaker 1: and conversations. You can also send us a question or

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Speaker 1: opinion by emailing us booth at kfean dot com. Here's

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Speaker 1: your host, the Fans, Captain Billy Hildebrand.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Fan Outdoors, faithful, good morning to you. Yes,

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Speaker 2: fifty four seconds after the hour of six o'clock on

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Speaker 2: the twenty eighth day of March, allmost the end of

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Speaker 2: the month.

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Speaker 3: My goodness, gracious, where has.

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Speaker 2: It's just the time is just racing now all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden. But then we have really nice days and

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Speaker 2: now it's gold again. Bob Saint Pierre's in studio and

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Speaker 2: he is in pretty good form today after being a

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Speaker 2: w o l for Saturday.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Thank you, thank you for letting me take

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Speaker 3: a week away. Yes, I'm really I'm the boss. You

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Speaker 3: don't forget that you are my boss.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that would be the lady at your house.

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Speaker 3: Well, I have multiple bosses. Yeah, you're my Keith in.

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Speaker 2: See, well, it's going to be a fairly decent day.

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Speaker 2: I looked I as I want to do every Saturday.

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Speaker 2: I walked out of the garage and look skyward. It

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Speaker 2: looks like a clear sky, but the forecast is for clouds.

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Speaker 3: As you were explaining, you know, it's nice one day

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Speaker 3: and then cold the next. I was thinking about that

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Speaker 3: on my post work dog run last night. You know,

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Speaker 3: last weekend I went up north to the gun Flint

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Speaker 3: Trail to go skiing to experience a little bit more winter,

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Speaker 3: and it was it was glorious cabin and people are

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Speaker 3: like scratching there. It was almost seventy plus degrees and

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Speaker 3: here in the Twin Cities last Saturday and waste deep

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Speaker 3: snow up there, and it was wayteteep snow and it

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Speaker 3: never broke thirty four and they got about an inch

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Speaker 3: it's full on winter up there. So if you're a

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Speaker 3: you know, if you're willing to drive five hours, it's

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Speaker 3: still absolutely fabulous. But I was thinking about that on

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Speaker 3: my walk last night. I as you know, love love,

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Speaker 3: love winter, and I also enjoy very nice weather once

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Speaker 3: it gets here. I think this is my least favorite

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Speaker 3: time of year right now. The mud like beautiful, Like yesterday,

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Speaker 3: I walked outside. I don't have enough clothes with me today.

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Speaker 3: I hate mud season. I hate the volatility of the

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Speaker 3: gonna this is? This is the low point of the

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Speaker 3: weather year for me, in my opinion, Well.

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Speaker 2: The this time of year for years, truly, it's dogfoot

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Speaker 3: I'm not a big fan of that either. I had it.

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Speaker 3: I ran, let's see what night was it. I think

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Speaker 3: it was Wednesday night. I ran in a wildlife area

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Speaker 3: and kind of unbeknownst to me, the cattail slew was

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Speaker 3: tawn out, and unbeknownst to my little dog, my littlest dog,

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Speaker 3: she ran to the cattail slew and then hit what

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Speaker 3: Uh like that green swamp water. It's like, oh, well,

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Speaker 3: I gotta give a dog bath tonight because she smelled

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Speaker 3: like you know, swamp water cattail slew with them. It does,

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Speaker 3: so she got she got a bath. That was an

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Speaker 3: another thing, you know, This is the pick up the

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Speaker 3: things that I don't like. You don't do that every day?

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Speaker 3: Then I take it pick up throughout the winter? Do

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Speaker 2: Well, you're a better man than I. I have done

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Speaker 2: what you were talking about doing. I only two years

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Speaker 2: And it was go around the yard this time of year.

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Speaker 2: What it's melting.

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Speaker 3: It's a lot of gross work, Yes it is.

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Speaker 2: And I had a big plastic garbage bag. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: Over cheese they make They make pretty good garbage bags nowadays,

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Speaker 3: Captain you It shows the But you know, I've got

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Speaker 2: Anyways, have so many leaves in your backyard, it'll probably

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Speaker 3: It up right right exactly if you'd use it. You know,

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Speaker 3: do you even own the more? I have two lawnmowers,

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Speaker 3: one of them Morks at any given time, you know,

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Speaker 3: but you do. I mean you could definitely see signs

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Speaker 3: know it. But anyway, it was just beautiful up north. Well,

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Speaker 3: I mean it is if you, if you the listener

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Speaker 3: we should go back to spray. It was great. I

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Speaker 3: just I just loved it. It was. It was wonderful. Congratulations.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm excited for you.

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Speaker 3: I did not see any moose this trip, no wolves, No,

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Speaker 2: Well, I went out to the cabin Tuesday. He just

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Speaker 2: talking about being a loan out there too. There's going.

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Speaker 3: The sock center is the boundary waters right now.

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Speaker 2: The lake was just snow white, nice, and it didn't

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Speaker 2: That didn't do me any good either, because I'm just.

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Speaker 3: I brought all the betting back.

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Speaker 2: I got all the betting washed after about twelve loads

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Speaker 3: I just rolling up is laundry of any kind of forte.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was thinking one of our whatever guests, as

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Speaker 4: Andy try the bear biology for the d NR, And

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Speaker 4: I was thinking about that.

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Speaker 3: You know, in southern Minnesota, what the temperature, how spring

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Speaker 3: it's still very much winter. And you think about what

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Speaker 3: It's pretty remarkable.

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Speaker 2: Well, maybe Andy will give us some give us some

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Speaker 2: dam's location of day you can crawl in and check out.

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Speaker 3: You're joking, but I'm still gamed to do it. I

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Speaker 3: don't really want to do it right on the cusp

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Speaker 3: to do that in January. You know, I'd bundle up

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. Well, there's a positive thing with

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Speaker 2: the weather. From last week today we are gaining thirty

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Speaker 2: four minutes a day of daylight, thirty four each day, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: So that's still significant.

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Speaker 2: It is, yeah, you know, and it's just how many

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Speaker 3: Dark all day long. Yeah. I would like to put

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Speaker 3: spring forward, like come on, just give us one time?

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Speaker 3: Well I can, I can.

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Speaker 2: I got some things I can say too, but I'll

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Speaker 2: save it maybe for later about things I'm not happy with.

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Speaker 3: Okay, get we need like a get off my lawn

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Speaker 3: get in trouble. I don't even know what you're referencing.

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Speaker 5: And you will.

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Speaker 3: With me? Do I need to clean out my cue?

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Speaker 3: Are we gonna have an uncomfortable conversation time.

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Speaker 2: Right April Fool's Day is coming out, you rascal.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, our guests this morning include uh, doctor Cameron Gallenberg

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Speaker 2: and she's a veterinarian doctor. And with spring comes some

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Speaker 2: that a little bit. And as Bob mentioned, Andy Try,

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Speaker 2: the bear specialist for the Minnesota Department Natural Resources, will

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Speaker 2: are coming out looking for food.

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Speaker 3: And you don't want to be a bear food. You

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Speaker 2: You don't want to be, but you probably won't be,

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Speaker 2: but you could have a mess in your yard.

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Speaker 3: Do you remember that, oh, this Saturday Night Live skit

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Speaker 3: like in the seventies, Dead Acrooid and marshmallows and a bear.

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Speaker 3: I listened to something on.

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Speaker 2: Social media that the comedian who's always got a drink

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Speaker 2: He had a bear a bit going on too about

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Speaker 2: his dad said that he was dumber.

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Speaker 3: Whatever. I wonder what your algorithm looks like? When you

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Speaker 3: you know your doom scrolling and social media.

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Speaker 2: What pops up in your feed A lot of Brittany's okay,

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Speaker 2: a lot of fishing, yeah, not so much anything else.

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Speaker 3: That's cleaner than I would have predicted. Well, Mike and

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Speaker 3: Joel I enjoy that. I get a lot of that.

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Speaker 2: And it's a husband wife team and it's they do

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Speaker 2: Fishing the Midwest, a little bit later in the show.

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Speaker 2: And I'm really curious about springtime and pan fishing and

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Speaker 2: Fan O Tour is coming your way until the eight

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Speaker 2: o'clock hour. Bob Saint Pierre in studio. Yours truly, Billy Hildeorant.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Cameron. Good morning, Good morning, Billy.

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Speaker 3: I'm good and yourself.

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Speaker 2: But there's things that people should be aware of with

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Speaker 3: Do, well, what to tell us about it, and what

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Speaker 6: Perfect. So it's a twelve month injection, so one time

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Speaker 6: So what it does is it protects your dogs from

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Speaker 6: Yes, it lasts for a whole year. Mark is a

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Speaker 3: Nice to meet you, Cameron. Doctor Cameron, we've been talking

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Speaker 6: So it's new in the United States, but it has

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Speaker 6: The main thing that can happen after the injection is, honestly,

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Speaker 3: I know that you know some fleeing tick medications. Are

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Speaker 6: investigating things, they get exposed to those spores. What happens

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00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 6: is is they actually inhale them and then that flung

438
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 6: this or sometimes if they have a cut on their skin,

439
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 6: it can go that way too. But it will spread

440
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 6: to basically anywhere in the body. So when a dog

441
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 6: comes in and they had pretty kind of they're just

442
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 6: not feeling good, and our normal tests don't show us much.

443
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 6: We do think a blast a lot more quickly in Minnesota,

444
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 6: simply because, like I said, it can do anything. So

445
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 6: it can cause lung issues, that's the one we get

446
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 6: worried about the most. It can cause skin lesions, it

447
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 6: can go to the liver, I can go to the kidney.

448
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 6: It can just do anything. And unfortunately, what it does

449
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 6: in all of those locations is usually really serious. And

450
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 6: so if we can get started with treatment early, that's

451
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 6: usually a more positive predictor for us. But I still

452
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 6: don't promise those clients that we're going to be out

453
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 6: of the woods, because sometimes we do have to treat

454
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 6: the dogs with an oral antifungal medication for the rest

455
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 6: of their lives otherwise it's going to flare back up again.

456
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 6: The main thing to think about with fungus of any kind,

457
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 6: even when your doctor or your veterinarian tells you like

458
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 6: they have a fungal skin infection, is that fungus takes

459
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 6: a long time to kill, so it's not like our

460
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 6: normal bacteria where we can treat them for five to

461
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 6: fourteen days and we're good to go. Oftentimes we need

462
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 6: to go much longer because they have this really complex

463
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 6: life cycle that I don't want to get. It's we're

464
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 6: not talking about that because it's just terrible, but the

465
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 6: life cycle is really complicated to penetrate with any sort

466
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 6: of medications we have. So when we think about a

467
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 6: fungus that goes to the life, I mean we've got

468
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:02,959
Speaker 6: to treat. We have to get into the lungs. Then

469
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 6: we have to start killing all the little fungus there.

470
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 6: Like I said, months to potentially forever that we're gonna

471
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 6: have to treat them. Unfortunately, for owners, there's not any

472
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 6: medication we can use to prevent it. You can't look

473
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 6: at the soil and be like, oh, that has blast

474
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 6: doing it, this one doesn't. The best way is just

475
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 6: to be really, really really vigilant of your dogs after

476
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 6: you're going to places that have a higher likelihood.

477
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 2: Of being there.

478
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 6: So I tend to tell my patients, and not my patients.

479
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 6: I guess my clients that if your dog starts coughing, yes,

480
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 6: it could just be ground on the milk kettle cloth,

481
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 6: but I get a little bit more concerned and I'd

482
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 6: bring them in a lot more quickly, especially if they're

483
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 6: a hunting dog. They're active. They are like a hound

484
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 6: dog that loves to have their notes to the ground

485
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 6: or follow burrows or anything like that. Get them in,

486
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 6: get them seen, think about getting an X ray. Because

487
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 6: there's a few things that I really can't fix too much,

488
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 6: and this is one that I'm worried about.

489
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 3: Wow, I hate that, not because that's yeah. You know,

490
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 3: you go to the rough grouse hunting in the north

491
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 3: Woods at September October and it's you know, you see

492
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 3: mushrooms fungus everywhere, and you know that blasto excuse me,

493
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 3: is in the soil, and you just you can't live

494
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 3: your life in fear. But that's the one because the

495
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 3: percentage of fatality is super high with blasto, isn't it.

496
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 6: It is because oftentimes, once blasto starts to like make

497
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 6: itself known to us with our human eyes or ears,

498
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 6: it's already usually everywhere or it's at a super high

499
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 6: level in the body that we oftentimes are behind the

500
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 6: eight ball on. So that's the most complicated part, is

501
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 6: that we can't tackle it when it's everywhere. We can

502
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 6: usually tackle it when it's in one little spot. But

503
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 6: dogs don't usually show us and are unable to show

504
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 6: us when it is just on that one little spot.

505
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 6: So it's something that usually I am really realistic with owners.

506
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 6: I usually tell them there is a little possibility that

507
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 6: this is going to go well, but we do have

508
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 6: a chance. So it's not one hundred percent fatal, like

509
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 6: we do have options, but these are cases that you're

510
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 6: going to be coming back to see me a lot.

511
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 3: Well. I apologize for the downer. Let's end on a

512
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 3: high note. I saw the French bulldog is the most

513
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 3: popular dog in America for like three years running, supplanting

514
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 3: the labrador. What's the most popular dog that you see

515
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 3: in Elk River area.

516
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not sure that this is a high note

517
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 6: for me. No offense to our friend Chiees. But French

518
00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 6: chies I see them a lot a lot. Some are

519
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 6: absolutely wonderful, their joys to work with. They seem to

520
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 6: be great additions to their families. But they are frequent

521
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 6: flyers that I get to see all of the time,

522
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 6: so they are going to have a lot of issues

523
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 6: just because of the way they're made. So it's nothing

524
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 6: that their owners are doing wrong or anything like that.

525
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 6: It's truly just why we as humans like to look

526
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 6: at them is that they look so cute and the

527
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 6: smushy Does that means that there's a lot of complication?

528
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 3: Is that a veterinarian termins smushy? Yeah?

529
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll say that's definitely a very good discripsive.

530
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: Oh my, well, Karen, we're out of time, and I

531
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 2: don't want to be, but I thank you because it's

532
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 2: this is interesting.

533
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 3: I had, well, one more question. I shouldn't do.

534
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: This, but as you know, I had my breed dog

535
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 2: who has been on pills. Bushy's over. Now, what do

536
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 2: you recommend for people? Because I had to give her

537
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 2: pills every day for a long time. I struggled with

538
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: that after a few days because she figured it out

539
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 2: and I can't tell you. She chewed on my fingers

540
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: a few times and I had to try to get

541
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 2: it down her throat.

542
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 3: There's no way I could do it. She'd just eat

543
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 3: the meat.

544
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 2: Or if I'd put it in dog food and hide

545
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 2: it in there, she'd eat that and.

546
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 3: Spit the pill out. Is there a way that you

547
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 3: can tell people to do that?

548
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 6: Yes? And no. So there's lots of different ways so

549
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 6: hide it in anything you can think of, so hot dogs,

550
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 6: different pieces of bread, making it like a meatball itself,

551
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 6: because why they're not wanting to eat it is it's

552
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 6: that bitter or icky taste or smell that they notice.

553
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 6: So if you can get them to be really really

554
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 6: excited about a treat and tend to swallow it instead

555
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 6: of sitting and chew, that's one. Changing the location in

556
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 6: the house that you're giving it as well, So sometimes

557
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 6: if you're right by their kennel, they know that, okay,

558
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 6: I'm getting medications. I don't like that, So doing it

559
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 6: when you're outside, when you're in the kitchen or anything

560
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 6: like that. Just changing the location, but also thinking about

561
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 6: if your dog doesn't take them as well, just advocate

562
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,919
Speaker 6: for your own dog saying that's not going to work.

563
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 6: When I tell you that I'm going to put them

564
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 6: on an antibiotic, meaning that I can reach for a

565
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 6: liquid that's the easier you to squirt that in their mouth.

566
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 6: That's typically not a huge issue. Or thinking about the

567
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 6: injectionable version of both antibiotics. They are a little expensive,

568
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 6: but also you don't have to do anything with your

569
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 6: dog once you get home, which for me is exactly

570
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 6: how I want it to be.

571
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 3: I think that sounds wonderful.

572
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,720
Speaker 2: Cameron, thank you so much for joining us this morning,

573
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 2: and I apologize for getting you up early, but it

574
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 2: was it was very very interesting and well done.

575
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 3: Thank you very much.

576
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 6: Yes, thank you for having me, Billy.

577
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 2: That's doctor Cameron Gallenberg, Barrington Oaks Veterinary Hospital in Elk River,

578
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 2: right off one sixty nine in the right next to

579
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 2: McDonald's right there, and I've been going there for goodness gracious,

580
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 2: thirty years.

581
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 3: I think they've seen it a watch ticket.

582
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: I've seen it a a lot of my dogs, and

583
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: oftentimes on great terms, sometimes not on so great terms.

584
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 2: But sad for me, but it's something that had to.

585
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 3: Have important to have the right vet when they're not so. Yes,

586
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 3: good terms are happening.

587
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: We will take a pause and be back with mister

588
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 2: Andy Troy Department Natural Resources Bear Specialists next.

589
00:35:39,640 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 3: We'll be right back. We're back Fan Outdoors coming with

590
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 3: you since we since we're waiting for Andy, try our

591
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 3: bear guest. Do you want me to pretend to interview

592
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 3: you as a bear coming out of hibernation? I want to.

593
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 3: I want to hear what you're going to say. In

594
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 3: the in the den.

595
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 2: If you crawl in there and all of a sudden

596
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: the bear walks wakes up.

597
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 3: Bobby behind you, I won't say much. I'm scattle.

598
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 2: No, All I got to do is get get over

599
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 2: the top of you.

600
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 3: And we can't tease him like this is like three

601
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 3: four years we've talked about going in a bearden in

602
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 3: the winter. Oh there, I think we're out of time

603
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 3: this winter. I would guess.

604
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 2: I know that from what I've read, I would guess

605
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 2: it's different in the southern part of the state.

606
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 3: But as far as.

607
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 2: What Andy has told us in the past and what

608
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 2: I heard here, is that beers are they really don't

609
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 2: have a area that they frequent anymore, from north to south.

610
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 2: They exist where they exist. They're expanding their populations are.

611
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: But if we can, if we do get a hold

612
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 2: of Andy, he'll he'll confirm that and we can ask

613
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 2: him more about that. We had a beer spend the

614
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: winter out in a culvert by the cabin a couple

615
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 2: of years ago.

616
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 3: Really, yeah, how do you know that? My neighbor told me,

617
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 3: Oh really yeah, And no it wasn't a homeless guy

618
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 3: from Soock Center. It was actually could have been me

619
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 3: not shaving you a while. You know that Debbie's accused

620
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 3: you of being homeless. No, but the.

621
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 2: Dan saw the animal and didn't want to say anything

622
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 2: to anybody because he didn't want people poking their heads

623
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: around and like right around the corner just across the street. Yeah,

624
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 2: Dan is the neighbor that right across the show. Okay,

625
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 2: that used to be where the Potato guy was, Yeah,

626
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 2: where Bill two lived. But really nice family. They come

627
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 2: over and swim at the cabin and hang out and stuff.

628
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 2: But yeah, I ever since that year that they found him,

629
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 2: there's no women that walked around the circle at the cabin.

630
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 2: They would stay really smarter than you are, I guess, so.

631
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 3: I had at a one to tenth scale. How excited

632
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 3: are you to get back to the cabin about twelve?

633
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 3: And when is that gonna happen?

634
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 2: As soon as possible. I have got to do some

635
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 2: things yet. I've just got a call and have things

636
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 2: turned on and get soft water tank delivered, and I've

637
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 2: got things to do to prep for it.

638
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then we'll be ready to go.

639
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 2: I've got a power an outlet outside that didn't work,

640
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 2: and I think there's the breaker is bad just because

641
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:46,240
Speaker 2: when it warms up, the humidity is in the panel,

642
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 2: I can see it on the outside.

643
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 3: So I need to do that. And I've had to

644
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 3: change breakers before. I know, being retired, you are gonna

645
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 3: play it by year when you turkey hunt? Which season? Yes?

646
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 3: What about your boys? Do they had to have they

647
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 3: had to take particular times off? Yeah? And are they

648
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 3: coming to your place to take you out? Yeah?

649
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 2: And I know that Eric is going to go a

650
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 2: season a season, okay, And he said.

651
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 3: He told me yesterday that I always go E season.

652
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 3: I don't think that's true. I don't think that is.

653
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 3: You try it like I think last year you maybe

654
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 3: hunted C season. Yeah, I think it was sea season.

655
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 3: I would say the majority of the time you have

656
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,919
Speaker 3: hunted ay, but not universally.

657
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 2: Well, he says, he said, I know you do because

658
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 2: you usually go out and you last about twenty minutes.

659
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 2: And I'm getting a text that I've got my bird.

660
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 2: And he said, I don't think you've lasted longer than

661
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: thirty minutes.

662
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 3: For a long time before killing a bird. And you

663
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 3: go out at like eleven o'clock in the morning and

664
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 3: you get to sleep in, you roll out of bed

665
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 3: on a Wednesday, nobody to compete with, And that's true. Yeah,

666
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 3: the thought behind that is too.

667
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 2: I've been out first thing and put them to bed

668
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 2: the night before and know where they are. But they

669
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 2: always fly down and they go the other direction or something,

670
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 2: or they're just not interested in what I have to offer.

671
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 2: But then I think that they're hand up for the

672
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 2: morning for part of the morning, and then the hens

673
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 2: are tired of them and they've done what they need

674
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 2: to do well, Tom, Tom Terrific is still.

675
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 3: Is that your pseudo name? Tom?

676
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 2: That was Captain Billy becomes Tom Terrific? No, Tom Terrific

677
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 2: was a cartoon long? Oh really okay, But then they're

678
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 2: they're in search of love. So these Toms are coming

679
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 2: back and they're looking for another hen. So then I

680
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 2: become the other hand, and they come from quite a distance.

681
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,439
Speaker 2: Once I can hear them gobbling, or I'll just go

682
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 2: and call and wait for a gobble, and when I

683
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 2: hear a gobble that's a direction, I go.

684
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, And once I get.

685
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,919
Speaker 2: Within a couple hundred yards or so, it'll easily come

686
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 2: that far. They sometimes come silent, like last year they

687
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 2: came real silent. Sometimes they end up right next to

688
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 2: me and gobble and just about scare me dead.

689
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, with my style of turkey hunting, which is a

690
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 3: moving hunter, a very impatient hunter. At least once a

691
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 3: year I get absolutely busted by the silent gobbler that

692
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 3: you know, I can't take it anymore. I start, you know,

693
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 3: I start to pick up and a turkey looks around

694
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,919
Speaker 3: the corners like, ah, I gotcha, I'm getting the heck

695
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 3: out of here. That happened last year, for sure. I

696
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 3: had one coming in and I didn't know it, and

697
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 3: I got I was getting I was getting impatient, and

698
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 3: I started to move and boom totally busted me. But

699
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 3: I've been getting excited.

700
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: You know, if you are an example that I share

701
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 2: with people that are brand news that come hunting with me.

702
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 3: About what not to do, I really am.

703
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 2: I always tell the story about Bob and I hunted

704
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 2: one time together and he went to the right and

705
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 2: I went to the left. And I'm sitting and waiting,

706
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 2: and I've got a couple of decoys out and I'm waiting,

707
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden here comes Bob from the left.

708
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 3: He is just picking them up and putting it down.

709
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 3: He says, yeah, I walked the whole wild life. Yeah,

710
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:44,720
Speaker 3: I remember that hunt too. That's a that's a turkey

711
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 3: hunting strategy, Captain. I'm stirring the pot for other hunters. Yeah,

712
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 3: I'm driving turkeys to other hunters with with my impatience.

713
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 3: But I have I have uh you've you tagged a

714
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 3: few birds? Oh yeah, yeah, and you know when when

715
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 3: it works out, it's fabulous. Yeah. But yeah, I picked,

716
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna hunt a I've asked for the

717
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 3: time off. I haven't bought my license yet, but I

718
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 3: did line up a place to stay, so I'm not

719
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 3: up near Hinkley area, so I'm not waking up at

720
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 3: three in the morning to get there in time. I'm

721
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 3: gonna be a little bit closer this year to get

722
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 3: a extra hour sleep, maybe limit the amount of field

723
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 3: naps that It's one of the great joys of turkey

724
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 3: hunting is the six thirty in the morning nap on

725
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 3: a bed of grass with trillium coming up. Oh, that's

726
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 3: just wonderful, crawling, I do. Yeah, there's the negative of

727
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 3: the tips, ticks crawling, Yeah, ticks and trillium in the

728
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 3: turkey woods. But yeah, it's a wonderful time of years, it's.

729
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 2: Without a dog. It's one of my favorites. I would

730
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,439
Speaker 2: much rather hunt anything with my dog.

731
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree. There's just not anything you can know.

732
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 3: I was thinking about that in terms of hunting in

733
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 3: the spring, there's very little other choices. You get turkeys,

734
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 3: snow geese in some places, bear spring bear out west

735
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 3: in some places. That that's it that I can think of.

736
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 2: I just in Minnesota's fortunate too, because we buy our

737
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 2: licenses over the counter.

738
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 3: It's not a lottery drawing. So I saw that article.

739
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 3: I guess it was Outdoor News last week, that there's

740
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 3: debate and discussion over potential two turky season in the spring.

741
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 3: Do you have an opinion on that?

742
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 2: Well, I guess I'm four, But I really don't need

743
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 2: two birds and turkeys you.

744
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,959
Speaker 3: Can bring them to me. Sorry, Well, I mean.

745
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 2: Turkeys are one thing I can get a great deal

746
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 2: of pleasure with and not shoot I and just fool them.

747
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: And I know I'm learning more and more about turkey hunting,

748
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 2: and every every year I go and every time I

749
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 2: see birds, I learn something. And I think there's a

750
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 2: great deal a person can learn by not shooting too

751
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 2: And you can you can hunt them. You can go

752
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 2: out and hunt them a lot, but I would probably

753
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 2: do it if you could. I hope that they make

754
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 2: persons buy two tags.

755
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 3: Oh you want to shoot two boy as opposed to

756
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 3: a license and you can shoot two birds on one. Yeah,

757
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 3: I'm in favor of it. You know, if the science

758
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 3: behind it supports, yes, population, then I'm for it. And

759
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 3: one thing that I automatically come back to, and with

760
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 3: turkey hunting, at least in the spring, you can only

761
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 3: shoot the males. Yeah, yep, right, So it's like pss,

762
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:18,280
Speaker 3: just like just like roosters. So you know, these gallinaceous

763
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 3: birds can service quote unquote any number of hens in

764
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 3: the spring reproductive reproductive season. So the downside is so

765
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 3: minimal to taking additional males out of the spring population

766
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 3: because you know those hens are gonna get bread one

767
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 3: way or another even if there's less. Do you remember.

768
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 2: Before the time, the years before there was a turkey season.

769
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 3: So I remember, I want to say eighty six eighty

770
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 3: seven era, so I would have been like twelve or

771
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 3: thirty maybe fourteen in up and I did a a

772
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 3: like a high school research project on turkeys in the

773
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 3: UP because it was just starting to ramp, there were

774
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 3: there was a season then. I don't recall when the

775
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 3: first season was in the Up, but there were starting

776
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 3: to be turkeys pretty much everywhere we drove in the

777
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 3: Up at that time, at least in the southern up

778
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 3: where the ag in the woods kind of intersected, and

779
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 3: there were turkeys everywhere. And I was spoiled right out

780
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 3: of the gate. The first time I ever turkey hunted

781
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 3: with my uncle, we shot. I shot a turkey in

782
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 3: thirty minutes the first morning I ever hunted turkeys. So

783
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 3: I guess, long winded answer your question, I don't remember

784
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 3: the time before you could hunt turkeys.

785
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 2: Oh, say, I do, And I remember when the first

786
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 2: season in Minnesota was offered. Do you know what roughly

787
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 2: what year that was? No, it could have been. I

788
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 2: think I don't know that. It's two different decades. Yeah,

789
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 2: but I remember we applied for licenses. I think I

790
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 2: applied for two or three years. But you you could

791
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 2: apply as a group, so if you didn't get if

792
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 2: one either all got it or nobody got it. And

793
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 2: our group included my brother in law and I think

794
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:40,280
Speaker 2: my brother. I can't remember, but I remember the first

795
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 2: bird I saw. I didn't know anything about it because

796
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 2: I had come from water fowling and pheasant hunting, and

797
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 2: that was probably before my deer hunt. No, I I

798
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 2: deer hunted them because I didn't deer hunt. My father

799
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 2: didn't deer hunt. So I taught myself to deer hunt

800
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 2: because I just wanted go. But that was my college years.

801
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 3: When I would go.

802
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 2: And but we went to the southeast because that's the

803
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 2: only place there were birds, and down the Whitewater and

804
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 2: down in there, and I remember we had some private

805
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 2: land to hunt, but I didn't have a freaking clue.

806
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,280
Speaker 3: That's when I had mounted that bird.

807
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 4: That was.

808
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 2: A disaster, but it was it was kind of living

809
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 2: the moment and thinking that that would be the ultimate decoy.

810
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 2: And but I didn't know what they looked like. I

811
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:40,760
Speaker 2: didn't know what a tom was from a hen. And

812
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 2: I remember we knew we should put them to bed,

813
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 2: not a clue, but down in the southeast with all

814
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 2: the hills and the gap valleys and gullies, and that

815
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 2: we could hear them. And I remember my brother in

816
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 2: law was we were walking to get and I think

817
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 2: could only hunt until noon.

818
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 3: I think that was the case in Michigan too, that

819
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 3: we could only hunt till noon, and because then we

820
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 3: went my bet Eric was alive.

821
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 2: It was with us too, because he went trout fishing

822
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 2: then and I just sat on the bank and watched.

823
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 2: I probably drank beer, but I can't remember that. But

824
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 2: my brother in law saw Tom get out of the

825
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 2: tree and he was banging away at it, and obviously

826
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 2: nothing fell. But from there it expanded quite a bit.

827
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 2: And then we started hunting around the cabin around central Minnesota,

828
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 2: because we'd drive half hour forty minutes to go to places,

829
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 2: and it was always wildlife areas that were public ground

830
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 2: and trees, woods and a lot of brush. But for

831
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 2: a couple of years we didn't get in it. For

832
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 2: a few years we got nothing, and then we started

833
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 2: figuring some things out and what to do, and watching

834
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 2: some things and talking to people. I remember one of

835
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 2: the guys that worked for Gander Mountain. I can't think

836
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 2: of his name off the top of my head, but

837
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:21,879
Speaker 2: he has passed now, big hunter. But he told Eric

838
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 2: and I for what I had done for kids and

839
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 2: taking all those hundreds and hundreds of kids fishing, he

840
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 2: would show us how to turkey hunt. And so we

841
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 2: went and overlooking the Minnesota River bottoms. He taught us

842
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 2: to call, taught us what the how to look for turkeys,

843
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 2: and we sat up on a hill called the Turkey,

844
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 2: and Tom was coming and getting closer and closer. Goblin,

845
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 2: I'll never forget, he said. We got to get out

846
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 2: of here because I don't want to spoil this bird

847
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 2: for other hunters. Don't want the birds to see us.

848
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,879
Speaker 2: So we piled back in the car and took off

849
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 2: and waited and washed overhead. Sure enough the turkey came

850
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 2: and looking for us. But so it was quite a

851
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 2: it was quite an ordeal, and quite it was something

852
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 2: I remember vividly. But that was the beginning of it.

853
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 2: And then we started having success.

854
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 3: As we talk about, you know, potential two bird limit

855
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 3: the only hesitation. You know, you talk about the expansion

856
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 3: of birds in Minnesota and they go all the way.

857
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,760
Speaker 3: I mean, they're birds that have a friend in Eli

858
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 3: who's seen them in the boundary waters, which is remarkable.

859
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 3: But turkey populations are not doing great everywhere, you know, Missouri, Nebraska,

860
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 3: their populations are declining, and there's a lot of under me,

861
00:53:56,080 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 3: you know, question as to why. So that creates a

862
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 3: consternation in my mind. Around the tuber limit, but the

863
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 3: science locally says do it. I'm in favor.

864
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 2: Let's take a pause and we'll come back and finish

865
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 2: our turkey conversation.

866
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 3: We will do so and be right back after this.

867
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 2: We're back a short segment to stay on track with

868
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 2: what we have scheduled for going on. But we've got

869
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 2: a few minutes and some of the turkey talk that

870
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 2: we've had in the past here. I know, in talking

871
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 2: with Stan Tequila about turkeys, he had told us that

872
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 2: they were concerned about the cold weather, that if turkeys

873
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 2: would survive Minnesota.

874
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 3: Winters or in the seventies when they were transporting them here.

875
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 2: But he said some of the research and the studies

876
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 2: they've done, they have put turkeys in whether in coolers,

877
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 2: freezing coolers down to thirty below, and they've been fine

878
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 2: as long as they had access to food. Yeah, so

879
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 2: that's something and the Southern States, turkey hunting has been

880
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 2: part of their culture for a long long time, and

881
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 2: sometimes I have a feeling that the assumption is that

882
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 2: they're always going to be here and they're finding in

883
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 2: places that's not always the case.

884
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 3: But it'll probably it would probably go back to habitat. Yeah, certainly,

885
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 3: habitat loss is one of the smoking guns for the

886
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 3: population declines in you know, you pick your southern state

887
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 3: from Missouri south. They're also there's some disease concerns. Yeah,

888
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 3: I haven't read up a ton on but you know,

889
00:55:55,280 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 3: I know West Nile is a concern. So there is

890
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 3: a little bit of consternation about what exactly is happening.

891
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 3: Don't heard flue affects turkeys or not. I believe it does.

892
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:14,399
Speaker 3: Which again, in Minnesota, some of this stuff isn't showing up,

893
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 3: and the negative stuff they just continue to expand, which

894
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 3: is incongruent with what is what's happening elsewhere.

895
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 2: It may have something to do too, but but I

896
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 2: think that the pressure put on turkeys in the South

897
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 2: is more than around here there When you look at

898
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 2: like the COVID days, when you look at the public

899
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 2: lands and number of people out hunting unbelievable. Top to

900
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:51,760
Speaker 2: what it's more normal, and I think that there aren't

901
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 2: as many people just the way it's set up with

902
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:59,280
Speaker 2: the different seasons in Minnesota have the season I think

903
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 2: and I'm not sure sure, but I think their season.

904
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 3: Is pretty long. But it's all one continuous start, and

905
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 3: then you add a fishing opener, and you know, a

906
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 3: lot of those other states it's open all the time.

907
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 3: Fishing is and ours is a signature celebration, and it

908
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 3: overlaps with I don't know, C or D season for turkey,

909
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 3: So it's an awful lot of folks that wouldn't even

910
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 3: consider going turkey hunting during the fishing opener. And there's

911
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 3: also you know, you think about as turkey season goes

912
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 3: into Maine Memorial Weekend and it's light out at like

913
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 3: three point fifty four in the morning, like a there's

914
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 3: another good reason to pick season A you don't get

915
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 3: an extra hour, should I? But you don't have to

916
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 3: go in I know, I know, I know. It is

917
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 3: fun to at least one day out of that season

918
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 3: to watch the world wake up. Oh. I love that

919
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 3: from you know, just the cacophony of sound, the cranes

920
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 3: and the geese and the tree frogs and the you know,

921
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 3: cackling roosters and the rum and drumming drouse. I mean,

922
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 3: you know, you pay a price wake it up super early,

923
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 3: but you get paid off and watching mother nature wake up,

924
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 3: that's one of the things.

925
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 2: I like about deer hunting too. I love watching the

926
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 2: world wake up, and I like, I'll get up one

927
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 2: or two mornings and go really early for turkeys. But

928
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 2: it is so my opinion is so much different watching

929
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 2: nature wake up in the spring versus the fall.

930
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just on steroids in the spring, yeah,

931
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 3: it is.

932
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 2: And it's there's so many, so much, so much going on.

933
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 2: And that was when I was watching fishing yesterday. But pride,

934
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:04,919
Speaker 2: but the geese are honking and things flying around because

935
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 2: they're in the backwaters, which I don't know if you've

936
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 2: ever experienced the backwaters in Mississippi, but it's it's like

937
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 2: you're in places no man has ever been. It's so

938
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 2: amazing and it's so wild.

939
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 3: I have not. I'd get in a boat with you

940
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 3: and do that. Oh it's really fun. Yeah, I guess

941
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 3: i'd follow you into Bear Dad. I'd go in the

942
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 3: backwaters in the Mississippi at all. Sometimes you gotta push,

943
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 3: just waiting on the invite.

944
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 2: I haven't been back in the backwaters for a long time,

945
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 2: but I remember, Oh, there's lots of memories. But you

946
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 2: can get yourself in a pickle in a hurry. Back

947
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 2: in the backwaters especially with a boat when you look

948
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 2: at the AIRMD getting off.

949
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 3: We gotta go.

950
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, you get in there and the water is really,

951
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 2: really muddy.

952
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 3: And you can't see.

953
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 2: I remember I set the boat down one time and

954
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 2: it just sat down flat like it was on the gavement.

955
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 3: There was no rocking.

956
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 2: I reached out put my rod down, It got the

957
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 2: two eyes and it was only about six inches deep.

958
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, so anyway, we're on there.

959
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 2: We we'll have to let's get back on schedule because

960
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 2: coming up next, mister Mike Fish joins us. So we're

961
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 2: going to talk pan fishing early spring with Mike and

962
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 2: some things that you can do and how soon you

963
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 2: can go once the ice leaves too. So hold on,

964
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 2: we'll take a break and we'll be right back with

965
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 2: mister Mike Fish, the host of Fishing the Midwest Television.

966
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 3: After this, well, if.

967
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 2: I would, if I'd give Breadth the right phone burst

968
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 2: a call, that would be a real help. And I

969
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 2: just transpose, you know, one of the three backwards.

970
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 3: Sorry about that, Susie and Cloquet. We didn't mean new

971
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 3: Ach yet. That's all right, it's time for you to

972
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 3: get up. Anyway, the phone seven in the morning one

973
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 3: of my girls, Scout Kakis.

974
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:24,959
Speaker 2: Oh goodness, gracious, I'm glad I'm not calling.

975
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 3: Haven say.

976
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 2: I had to get my my brain working once again

977
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 2: shut down. But our next guest knows all about that.

978
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 2: For me, he's familiar with that, as we use as

979
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:48,479
Speaker 2: at one point in time we competed against each other,

980
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 2: and but always cordial, and sometimes I'd beat him, and sometimes,

981
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 2: well quite often he'd beat me. And that's just the

982
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 2: way it was, mister. Mike Frish, host of Fishing the

983
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 2: Midwest television joins us right now, Mike, good morning, buddy.

984
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 5: Morning belly.

985
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 3: How you doing, man, I'm not too bad.

986
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 2: I think I'm ready for spring, real spring. But that's

987
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 2: maybe that's just me. Maybe nobody else agrees.

988
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 3: I don't know.

989
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 5: No, you and me both, brother.

990
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 3: Well, the one of.

991
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 2: The first things that happened, Mike, is people are chomping

992
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 2: at the bit to get back on the water, and

993
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 2: panfish are what's on a lot of people's mind, mine truly,

994
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 2: or in mine too.

995
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 3: And it's just it's just the way it is.

996
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 2: But how long should people wait before they get back

997
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 2: on the water, or should they even wait?

998
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 5: Well, you know, Billy, my advice is anytime you got

999
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 5: open water and you can go fish and go there

1000
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 5: you go, you know, especially after the winter. You know,

1001
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 5: I mean it seems like winter gets longer every year

1002
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 5: as I get older.

1003
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, I know.

1004
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 5: That's not true, but that's why it seems. But you

1005
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 5: know it's truly what happens is, you know, we we

1006
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 5: get a little bit of stretch where you get two three,

1007
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 5: four days in a row where it's sunny and warm,

1008
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 5: and that's what really pulls those pan fish up early

1009
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 5: in the spring. But you know, I'm going to be

1010
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 5: out there as soon as I can, just because, like

1011
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 5: I said, I got I got the inches to get

1012
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 5: out there. But yeah, those first warming trends are really

1013
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 5: what I look for it in terms of, you know,

1014
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 5: seeing that first migration of fish come and.

1015
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 2: Shallow will the will you find success as early as

1016
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 2: you can go?

1017
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, lots of times.

1018
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 6: You know.

1019
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 5: The key again is targeting those warm weather you know,

1020
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 5: you know stretches, And I think the thing about it

1021
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 5: is is people, you know, if you're fishing from a boat,

1022
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 5: staying on the move, of paying attention to your temperature

1023
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 5: gauge and trying to find those warms, you know, water areas.

1024
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 5: The other thing that I love about spring is for

1025
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 5: those people that ish from the shore, you know, maybe

1026
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 5: don't have a boat or kids in particular. Sure, you know,

1027
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 5: some of those shallow marinas, those you know, small bays

1028
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 5: and places that warm early bring those pan fish up

1029
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 5: pretty quickly, and you know that's a great opportunity for

1030
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 5: people to you know, get out and spend an hour

1031
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 5: or two at the end of the day or whatever

1032
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 5: just fishing from shore too.

1033
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 2: Well. Yeah, and the fishing from shore, it seems like

1034
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 2: it's almost a thing of the past, Mike. At least

1035
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 2: maybe it's because I don't do it. But as a

1036
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 2: as a youngster, I get home from school and drop

1037
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 2: my books off and grab fishing rod and some worms

1038
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 2: or mintals and the way I go and wouldn't be

1039
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 2: back until it was supper time.

1040
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 5: Yep, exactly. And you know that's one of the things Billy,

1041
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 5: with our you know, school fish Kids curriculum that we

1042
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 5: have that we talk about a lot, is you know,

1043
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 5: you don't have to have a fancy boat. You don't

1044
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 5: have to you know, fancy equipment to slip bobber rig

1045
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 5: and a and a bike and finding some open waters

1046
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 5: sometimes all you need is a kid. And like I said,

1047
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 5: those panfish. You know, that's cool thing about panfish year round.

1048
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 5: They like some of that shallow shoreline cover, you know,

1049
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 5: fallen trees and docks and all that kind of stuff.

1050
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 5: But yeah, it's a good opportunity right away early in

1051
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 5: the season to you know, to spend a little time

1052
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 5: fishing from shore.

1053
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 2: Now, everybody always tells me that muddy bottom was it

1054
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 2: North bays? Muddy bottom bays are what you should gravitate

1055
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 2: to because they warm up faster with the mud and

1056
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 2: the dark color of the mud.

1057
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 3: Is that what do you believe to?

1058
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do.

1059
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 5: You know, they get the best sun exposure of that

1060
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 5: side of the lake early in the season too, so

1061
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 5: that water typically you know, warms the quickst So yeah,

1062
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 5: that's you know, pretty standard. But I got to tell

1063
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 5: you a story, Billy. I was on a local lake

1064
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 5: last spring, and one of my buddies had told me

1065
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 5: about this area that he used to catch him in

1066
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 5: when he lived on that lake twenty years ago. So

1067
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 5: I went over to that area and the water was

1068
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 5: like eighteen inches deep and there was nothing going on,

1069
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 5: and I looked across the bay and an app actually

1070
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 5: happened to be on the north side of the lake

1071
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 5: and I saw a fishing pier and I thought to myself, well,

1072
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 5: if there's a fishing pier, they wouldn't put it unless

1073
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 5: there's you know, some fish typically in that area. So

1074
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 5: I went over there and started to fish, and there

1075
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 5: was a bunch of crappies in there, and I thought,

1076
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 5: you know, I had used my grade intuition about that

1077
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 5: fishing pier. Well two days later, the fishing pier was gone,

1078
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 5: and I figured out that they just used that spot

1079
01:06:54,440 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 5: to start on over the so migrate mastery of fish

1080
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 5: location and being so smart, I mean, it worked out.

1081
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 5: But but yeah, those fish were on the north side,

1082
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 5: in the shallow, dark bottom bay is where they were.

1083
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 2: Well, And I've often I've often frequented old vegetation and

1084
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 2: it maybe reads or maybe russias that are dead or

1085
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 2: some stuff's coming up, but I've usually found fish.

1086
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 3: But they're really really spooky, so early.

1087
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, they are, and that's you know, that's one of

1088
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 5: the things about cold water fishes. They are spooky, and

1089
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 5: that's why you know, trying to stay away from them

1090
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 5: as best you can, being quiet in the boat. You know,

1091
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 5: I think you can have the radio plane and you

1092
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 5: can talk and everything, but I don't want to be

1093
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 5: dropping the anchor on the floor and you know, making

1094
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 5: a whole bunch of noise. But you know, the other

1095
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 5: thing that I think is important early in the year,

1096
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 5: and you know, anytime you fish, pan fish or round

1097
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 5: cover is fasting accuracy. You know, you've got to be

1098
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 5: able to you know, if you're pitching the edge of

1099
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 5: a pencil reads like you talked about with a flip

1100
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 5: bobber setup, you know, you want to get it into

1101
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 5: those little pockets and holes without hanging, you know, on

1102
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 5: those reads in different places, you know, different types of covers.

1103
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 5: So uh, you know, spend a little time practicing your casting.

1104
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 5: I actually do it during the off season in my house.

1105
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 5: I got a little uh, some targets set up and

1106
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 5: I practiced my casting still because you know, accuracy is

1107
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 5: important when you're around.

1108
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 2: Cover well, and I agree with you, And because it

1109
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 2: doesn't take light line longer get hung up on on something.

1110
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 2: It could be an old read and you're retying.

1111
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 5: Exactly and that's harder to do at my age, Billy,

1112
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1113
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:54,719
Speaker 2: About a young guy like well, it's I don't mind tying,

1114
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 2: but I can't see the hole in those little little

1115
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 2: baits I got.

1116
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 3: I need help to get the line through it.

1117
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 5: Yep, yep. You know it's funny when we when we

1118
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 5: shoot television show as I have one of my producers,

1119
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 5: whose name is Shane Gazelli, works at Christopherson's Bait now

1120
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 5: Lexandria too, and I always lots of times when we're

1121
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 5: in a hurry and on a little bit of bite

1122
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 5: and I break a water. I just handed to Shane

1123
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 5: and I go, can you retire so well?

1124
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 2: I hand it to my son Eric and just says,

1125
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 2: I can't do this. Help He'll had me a package

1126
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 2: of clips, a little fast snaps and say here to do

1127
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 2: it yourself.

1128
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:38,759
Speaker 5: Yep, exactly exactly.

1129
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 6: You know.

1130
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 2: The other kind of funny thing, Mike is I have

1131
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 2: my father's old nineteen fifty something Crestliner and it looks

1132
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 2: like a Lund but it's got a fifteen horse that

1133
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:54,680
Speaker 2: I had that fixed up. But it's out in the

1134
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 2: shed and I got it off and then got it

1135
01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:00,640
Speaker 2: working and got gas in it, and we put in

1136
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 2: the water a couple of years ago, and I thought

1137
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 2: it would be really fun to just go back to

1138
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 2: the old school way and I went and the other

1139
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:12,760
Speaker 2: my kids were there and they took the boat out,

1140
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:15,680
Speaker 2: and it's a fun little boat. But I sat on

1141
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 2: that bench seat and I took it up with myself

1142
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 2: and I was going to troll or I was just

1143
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 2: going to go fishing. And because we used to cast

1144
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 2: for bass and row, well, rowing is a lost art.

1145
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 2: My kids not how to do it. But I don't

1146
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:31,840
Speaker 2: think anything else anybody else does. And so I got

1147
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 2: in that boat, Mike, and I thought, I've got a

1148
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 2: ranger bass boat sitting back at the lake. What am

1149
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 2: I doing? This is so uncomfortable. I've got it that

1150
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 2: it hasn't it hasn't been out of the shed since and.

1151
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 3: I need to get it out again.

1152
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 2: Though it was a great idea, but that's how far

1153
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 2: we've come too. And I think that that's a big

1154
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 2: deal for a lot of people, and they don't have

1155
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 2: the advantage to have that for a lot of folks.

1156
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 2: That's fine, I mean, there's nothing wrong. Like you say,

1157
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 2: boats don't catch fish, People catch.

1158
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. The fish don't know who's holding the rod

1159
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 5: and reel or what boat your fishing.

1160
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:25,719
Speaker 2: No, they don't. They don't tell us about School of Fish.

1161
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 2: What do you what are you doing?

1162
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 5: So the School of Fish is in two hours two

1163
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 5: and a half hour kids fishing class. We spend about

1164
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:38,599
Speaker 5: an hour in the School of Fish workbook learning about

1165
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 5: you know, the lakes, where fish live in lakes, and

1166
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:43,519
Speaker 5: different kind of lures, that kind of stuff. And then

1167
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 5: after that all the kids get a zebko rod and

1168
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:49,040
Speaker 5: reel and we used that to teach them how to

1169
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 5: tie the fishermen's not And when they master what we

1170
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:54,760
Speaker 5: call the world's greatest not time tests, they get a

1171
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 5: School of Fish hat. And then after that we give

1172
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:03,519
Speaker 5: them tackle boxes with components to rig slipbopper setups, and

1173
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 5: they rigged a slip popper and we teach them how

1174
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 5: to use that as well. And we've been doing this.

1175
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 5: We're actually in our fourteenth year.

1176
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:10,759
Speaker 3: Now.

1177
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 5: Wow, we've done Yeah, we've done like three hundred and

1178
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:17,839
Speaker 5: twenty five of them and we're pushing over ten thousand

1179
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 5: people now have come through our curriculum. I'm actually as

1180
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 5: soon as we get done with this phone call, I'm

1181
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 5: headed the Ortonville, Minnesota to present a School of Fish

1182
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 5: at their four AH Club. We do a lot of

1183
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 5: School of Fishes at community had departments across the state,

1184
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 5: but we have fishing clubs that host you know, wildlife clubs,

1185
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 5: some civic organizations. And I was actually in a winter

1186
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 5: South Dakota on Wednesday and we had fifty six kids

1187
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 5: at a four h club that did a school of

1188
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:51,720
Speaker 5: Fish there too, So yeah, it's that time of the year.

1189
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:53,799
Speaker 5: We're rocking and rolling and having fun.

1190
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 2: Do you hear from kids sitting your former students after

1191
01:12:57,520 --> 01:12:59,759
Speaker 2: the class or maybe a couple of years after.

1192
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, every once in a while, I'll get an

1193
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 5: email or a message or you know, it's kind of

1194
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 5: funny because one of the first ever kids and actually

1195
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,120
Speaker 5: he came to the first school of fish we ever did,

1196
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:16,599
Speaker 5: which was in Fortonville, Like I said, fourteen years ago

1197
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 5: and already aren't my buddy in Ortonville used to watch

1198
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 5: this young man ride by his day chop regularly with

1199
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 5: his school a fish ride and reel. And now he's

1200
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 5: a young adult and every once in a while he

1201
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:32,680
Speaker 5: reaches out to me and you know, asks me if

1202
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:34,760
Speaker 5: I'm catching him on, what's going on and that kind

1203
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 5: of stuff. So yeah, it's kind of cool.

1204
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:37,519
Speaker 3: That's that's really fun.

1205
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 2: Good for you and Mike and that's you know, and

1206
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:42,800
Speaker 2: what I have found when I was when I was

1207
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:49,240
Speaker 2: in school or teaching, is kids don't have those opportunities,

1208
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 2: especially kids in that live in town. But the opportunities

1209
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:56,799
Speaker 2: that we take for granted and just took for granted

1210
01:13:56,840 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 2: as youngsters, they aren't there first. So many kids and

1211
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 2: if if somebody you or somebody doesn't make time for that,

1212
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 2: their time is going to be occupied with something and

1213
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 2: it won't be the outdoors.

1214
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's exactly it. That's exactly it.

1215
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:17,599
Speaker 2: You know.

1216
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 5: One of the things, Billy is I hear people say

1217
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:23,240
Speaker 5: all the time, well, kids are changing and they don't

1218
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:24,640
Speaker 5: want to fish and they don't want to do that.

1219
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 5: You know what, kids haven't changed the environment that we

1220
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 5: raise them and is really what's changed. And I mean,

1221
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,800
Speaker 5: if you expose the kid to the outdoors at a

1222
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:38,040
Speaker 5: young age, I guarantee the odds are really good that

1223
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:39,760
Speaker 5: they're going to fall in love with it, just like

1224
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 5: you and I did. But if nobody exposes them to

1225
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 5: them to it, you know, then we've lost them. So yeah,

1226
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 5: it's it's really important that you know, we do things

1227
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:54,559
Speaker 5: to try to get kids experience in the outdoors and

1228
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 5: you know, follow with the with the sports.

1229
01:14:56,840 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 2: That we love, and Micah, that's so true because the

1230
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:04,719
Speaker 2: adults get so busy in a very very busy world

1231
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 2: that the kids get left to do something else, and

1232
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 2: it oftentimes it's sports.

1233
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 3: It's organized sports. There's nothing wrong with that.

1234
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:21,800
Speaker 2: But the outdoors and fishing is my kids will tell

1235
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 2: you when they're now forty and thirty five, the outdoors

1236
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 2: is something that they just love and live in. And

1237
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 2: if we wouldn't have made that time, they wouldn't be

1238
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 2: doing what they're doing now as far as work or pastimes.

1239
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 2: And I think that's crucial.

1240
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 5: Exactly exactly, And you know that's the thing about it too, Billy,

1241
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 5: is that kids are going to find something to do.

1242
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:54,640
Speaker 5: And there's nothing wrong, like you said, with organized sports.

1243
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:57,679
Speaker 5: But you know, like I always tell kids, the last

1244
01:15:57,680 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 5: time I put a football helmet on was the day

1245
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 5: played my last high school game. I've been fishing my

1246
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 5: whole life and you know, will continue to fish. So

1247
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:08,559
Speaker 5: that's one of the great things about the outdoor sports

1248
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 5: in comparison the team sports is a lot of these.

1249
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 5: You know, our outdoor sports are our lifelong sports, where

1250
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 5: you know, some of our our team sports aren't you

1251
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 5: know the other thing too, is that I see is

1252
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 5: if we don't expose kids to, you know, what I

1253
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 5: would think are healthier activities, it's pretty easy to them

1254
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 5: to gravitate towards electronics and phones and tablets and all that.

1255
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:35,400
Speaker 5: And i'd average see him have a fishing ride and

1256
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 5: reiling their hand and a tablet.

1257
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 2: Myself, I had one of the kids I had at school, well,

1258
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:44,639
Speaker 2: we were taking when I was organizing trips to take

1259
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 2: kids out of school and go to Lake Minnetonka fishing,

1260
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:52,599
Speaker 2: and he was waiting on the dock as all these

1261
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:55,000
Speaker 2: kids went out with volunteers in their boat.

1262
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 3: He was waiting on the dock and he was all alone.

1263
01:16:58,080 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 2: I said, hey, you got if you got a boat,

1264
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:03,439
Speaker 2: ride it and he said no, not yet, and he

1265
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 2: was kind of humble and and it was very humble,

1266
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:07,599
Speaker 2: very scared.

1267
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:10,760
Speaker 3: And I said, well, you're coming with me, and we

1268
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 3: went down.

1269
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 2: My boat was tied up on the dock and he

1270
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:15,519
Speaker 2: looked at it, he looked at me, and he looked

1271
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 2: out at Lake Minnetonka.

1272
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 3: He looked and said, mister Hildebrand, is this the ocean?

1273
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:26,720
Speaker 2: And I thought wow, And I said no, but we're

1274
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 2: going to go have a great time.

1275
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 3: We're going to go fishing.

1276
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:34,680
Speaker 2: And one time the kids talked me into bringing They

1277
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 2: wanted to bring fish home because it was a catch

1278
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:43,080
Speaker 2: and release experience for obvious reasons. Well they talked me

1279
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:47,719
Speaker 2: into it. The next day, Mike, I got a call

1280
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 2: on the PA system from the principal.

1281
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:51,839
Speaker 3: I said, mister.

1282
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:57,639
Speaker 2: Hildebrand, please report to mister Johnson's office. And I thought,

1283
01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 2: oh God, here we go. I'm in trouble now. We

1284
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 2: had just gotten back from the fishing trip the day before.

1285
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 2: I walked into the principal's office and he said bringing

1286
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:13,640
Speaker 2: fish home was not a good idea of mister Hildebrand.

1287
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:18,680
Speaker 2: They slid down the hall, they are in lockers, they

1288
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:21,639
Speaker 2: are in places fish don't belong.

1289
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 3: So we won't do that again, will we.

1290
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 5: Oh well.

1291
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 2: He also told me it's easier to ask to beg

1292
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:39,439
Speaker 2: forgiveness and ask permission, So I kind of went that way.

1293
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 5: There you go, that's my motto.

1294
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:45,439
Speaker 2: Wake How can people get school of Fish coming to

1295
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 2: their area.

1296
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 5: Well, it's pretty simple, Billy. If they go on Fishingthemidwest

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Speaker 5: dot com, there's a school Fish link there with our

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Speaker 5: contact information. People can just reach out me by email,

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Speaker 5: which is pretty simple as School of Fish at outlook

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Speaker 5: dot com. You know, that's the best way. And we

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Speaker 5: have an information email that I can send to them

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Speaker 5: that's got our class description and everything they need to know.

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01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:18,479
Speaker 5: So it's you know, and it's pretty turnkey. At the

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Speaker 5: host group you know, gets the venue set up and

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Speaker 5: takes the registrations. We show up at the other event

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Speaker 5: and do everything else. So it's a pretty smooth deal.

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Speaker 5: And like I said, it seems like it's working. I mean,

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Speaker 5: fourteen years is kind of a long time. So you know,

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Speaker 5: we're proud of what we've done, what we've done, and

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Speaker 5: you know, we're always open new opportunities as well.

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Speaker 3: Is the course completed in a day or does it

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Speaker 3: multiple days?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's one day, it's two and a half hours.

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Speaker 2: It's okay, yep, Mike, I thank you, buddy. And maybe

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Speaker 2: this time this summer we'll get together and be able

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Speaker 2: to go fishing.

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Speaker 3: Huh.

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Speaker 5: I would like that. That would be fun, really.

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Speaker 3: I think it would do. We talked about.

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Speaker 5: Yep. The only problem we're gonna have is if one

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Speaker 5: of us breaks off, we're going to retire.

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Speaker 2: I know, I know, you bring multiple rods and I'll

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Speaker 2: do the same. So by the time we get done,

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Speaker 2: we'll have a lot of rods with no line on

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Speaker 2: them exactly. Mike, thank you, thanks for your time, buddy.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk soon, you guys.

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Speaker 5: Take care.

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Speaker 3: That's Mike Frish to be the third person in that

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Speaker 3: boat with you guys both browsed and both broke off

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Speaker 3: trying to tie trying to thread line through that I've got.

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Speaker 2: I've got a magnifying glass now that I really yeah,

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Speaker 2: but I have trouble holding the magnifying glass, holding the

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Speaker 2: bait and getting the line through. So and for whatever,

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Speaker 2: you'll probably have a standing invite just to just to

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Speaker 2: be the line tire. Let's take a pause, our final

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Speaker 2: pause of the morning, and we will be back with

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Speaker 2: final segment of fan Outdoors for this particular day.

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Speaker 3: We'll be right back.

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Speaker 2: We don't have a lot of time before turn the

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Speaker 2: reins over to in the zone with Tucker and Sinecon

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Speaker 2: and so keep it right here though. But we've got

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Speaker 2: a couple of minutes yet, and we had a question

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Speaker 2: come in and.

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Speaker 3: Bob, what was the question? All right, So I'm going

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Speaker 3: to instagram pheasant Bob on Instagram. Jeff writes in I

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Speaker 3: know you and Billy are on the air if you

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Speaker 3: read this, can you ask Billy a question regarding year

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Speaker 3: round bass fishing. What is keeping people from fishing for

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Speaker 3: walleye during the open bass season. I know you can't

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Speaker 3: target while but I used the same baits for walleyes

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Speaker 3: as I do for bass. How are they going to

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Speaker 3: enforce this? I can see this being a very big issue.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be a big issue, and I hadn't

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Speaker 2: thought of that, So thanks for the question. But before

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Speaker 2: bass were legal, some of the people, and usually guys,

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Speaker 2: young adults, were out fishing bass. After the walleye season opened,

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Speaker 2: they'd be fishing bass under the auspices of walleyes or

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Speaker 2: pike or pike. So a guy came by my place

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Speaker 2: the cabin one time a few years ago, and there

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Speaker 2: were two guys in a boat, in a bass boat.

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Speaker 2: One was throwing a spinner bait, the other was throwing

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Speaker 2: a plastic worm Texas roy plastic worm. And I went

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Speaker 2: down to the dock and I said, any fish biting

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Speaker 2: and he says, no, I don't know, we're fishing for pike.

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Speaker 3: Wink wink.

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Speaker 2: That went on for years, and I lost my cool.

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Speaker 2: I mean, seldom do I do that, but I did.

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Speaker 2: I lost my coal with him.

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Speaker 3: And said, what are you doing? You're an idiot, You're

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Speaker 3: screwing it up for everybody. There's a reason the season

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Speaker 3: is closed.

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Speaker 2: All right, it's the same thing, only a different species.

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Speaker 2: People are going to be doing that. They may not,

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Speaker 2: everybody may not figure it out. Everybody may not do it,

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Speaker 2: but enough will do it. Just like for bass, before

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Speaker 2: they opened the season up all year round. They say

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Speaker 2: it won't hurt anything. Well if it does. If it

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Speaker 2: does hurt them, it's going to be too late. But

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Speaker 2: what about wallyes? Now if they do that. What this

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Speaker 2: law has done is put conservation officers in a very

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Speaker 2: compromising position, very compromising for a species that in Minnesota

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Speaker 2: is loved tremendously, and that would be walleye and pike.

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Speaker 2: Two the season, if it's not open, people are still

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Speaker 2: fishing for it. Granted they're going to do catch and release.

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Speaker 2: If it's okay for bass, why not catching release for

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Speaker 2: walleyes too?

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Speaker 3: Why not catch and release for pike? Why not then

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Speaker 3: have the season open all year long? And well, you

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Speaker 3: won't have an opener.

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Speaker 2: That's why fear opening day of the fishing season, as

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Speaker 2: you said before, Bob, is a celebration, a big time

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Speaker 2: celebration a lot of people look forward to.

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Speaker 3: And I know there's a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of guys that are really excited about fishing for bass

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Speaker 2: an early season.

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Speaker 3: I know that now. I mean, I guess I probably

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Speaker 3: will the first Is this the first year where it

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Speaker 3: is Yeah, where it's legal.

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Speaker 2: People have done it before and only very blatantly have

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Speaker 2: they been questioned on it by a conservation officer.

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Speaker 3: And that you know, the argument can be made well

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Speaker 3: and both Dakota's the season never closes for anything but

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01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:30,760
Speaker 3: the fish over there. Yeah, but the fishing pressure is

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Speaker 3: significantly different. There's no comparison. Yeah, I mean, there's like

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Speaker 3: seven hundred and fifty thousand people in each state entirety.

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Speaker 2: Then why do people from the other states come to

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01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:50,400
Speaker 2: Minnesota to fish? Because the fishing is good, because it's

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01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:54,439
Speaker 2: fishing in many places is excellent compared to a lot

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01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 2: of places they could go fish. But it's open all

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Speaker 2: year round. Go fish at your home waters.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I am not a favor really in favor of a

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01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 2: year round bass fishing, but the push for it, I

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01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:15,720
Speaker 2: believe was from a certain group of people that could

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Speaker 2: see nothing wrong with it.

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01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:20,480
Speaker 3: What group? I'm not going to say.

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01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:24,599
Speaker 2: There are a group of people that are that were

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01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:27,599
Speaker 2: and they don't see a problem with it because we've

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01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:30,880
Speaker 2: got excellent bass fishing. Why do we have excellent bash fihing?

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01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:37,439
Speaker 2: We have water, we have seasons, and we have winter,

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01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:41,800
Speaker 2: we have ice. But if you go down south, go

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Speaker 2: to Missouri, go to Arkansas, go to some of those

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01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:48,040
Speaker 2: southern states, and if you go down there and fish,

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01:26:48,160 --> 01:26:51,559
Speaker 2: and if you talk to people on the dock, you

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01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:55,200
Speaker 2: talk to people at the ramp house fishing, Ben, well,

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01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:59,800
Speaker 2: yesterday I had ten bytes. Oh you did ten bites.

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01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:02,759
Speaker 2: How many bites do you get when you go fish

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01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:06,799
Speaker 2: in Minnesota? And we don't measure bites. We measure fish

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01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 2: the number of fish you catch. There is a difference.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it seems like he can get believe that

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01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:23,519
Speaker 3: there's unlimited number of bass in Minnesota, right he can

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01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:25,639
Speaker 3: be Uh, I don't know.

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01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:29,000
Speaker 2: Duped into believe in that el Lender proved he had

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01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:30,479
Speaker 2: permission to fish a lake.

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01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 3: You can fish out of lake that was years and

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01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:34,000
Speaker 3: years ago.

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01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:38,920
Speaker 2: But the Lenders and the brothers did that. Music's playing,

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01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:41,200
Speaker 2: which means it's time for us to get out of here.

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01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:46,320
Speaker 2: But Steth Fighter is fishing the Elite tournament down in Mississippi.

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01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 2: He is tied for fifth. There was this morning fifth place,

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01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:52,639
Speaker 2: so if you want to watch it bassmaster dot com.

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01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:55,120
Speaker 3: You can ride with him, which I did all day yesterday.

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01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 3: It was so fun.

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01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:58,360
Speaker 2: Hey, I want to say thank you to Mike Fish

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01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:01,320
Speaker 2: for joining us, to doctor cam Gallenberg for doing a

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01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:05,280
Speaker 2: great job. We heard from Andy Try and he apologized

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01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:10,360
Speaker 2: for you hibernating until next week Saturday. I'll leave you

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Speaker 2: with Tatan