1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: Mike, you should give Griswold a break. What she probably 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: meant was she was arguing with Schumer in front of 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court building before he went on about Kavanaugh. 4 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be. I don't know why I haven't 5 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 2: done this before. Whenever I talk about the Save Act, 6 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 2: invariably I get a text message that is similar to 7 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 2: this one. 8 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 3: It comes from Uber ninety five seventy four. Michael. To 9 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 3: obtain those documents a. 10 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 2: Copy of your birth certificate or a passport, or your 11 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 2: naturalization card or whatever it might be, Michael, to obtain 12 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 2: those documents if you've lost them or can't find them, 13 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 2: cost money which a lot of people don't have. I 14 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 2: guess the money which a lot of people don't have. 15 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 2: And that is a poll tax. When you think about it, 16 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 2: you shouldn't have to pay money to vote. I bet 17 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: you've heard that argument a bazillion times. But before you 18 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:11,199 Speaker 2: can make the argument that something is a poll tax, 19 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 2: you've got to establish what a poll tax actually was, 20 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 2: because not his was. And that's where the argument immediately 21 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 2: starts to strain under the weight of its own rhetoric. 22 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 3: The historical poll tax, the thing. 23 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,279 Speaker 2: That the twenty fourth Amendment was ratified in nineteen sixty 24 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 2: four to actually abolish was a direct, explicit fee levied 25 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,559 Speaker 2: by the government as a condition of exercising the franchise 26 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 2: the right to vote. 27 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 3: So it worked like this. 28 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 2: You showed up, the government said pay us money or 29 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: you don't vote. And the South, the Southern States, the Confederacy, 30 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: if you will use that, Virginia, Alabama, Texas, Mississippi, they 31 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 2: set the fee deliberately at an amount that would systematically 32 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 2: price out black voters. Virginia charged a buck fifty, and 33 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 2: in Harper versus Virginia Board of Elections in nineteen sixty six, 34 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court struck that down under the equal protection clause. 35 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 2: Obviously duh, because the court was explicit that even a 36 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 2: rationally justified fee, if it's unrelated to voter qualifications, is 37 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 2: constitutionally unsound. 38 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 3: It's invidious. 39 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 2: That's the legal standard the poll tax has to meet, 40 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 2: not a vide, not an analogy. That's the actual standard. 41 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 2: So the poll tax argument that many people make, and 42 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 2: this is why I want to do this this hour. 43 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 2: It's going to do something else, but I really want 44 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 2: to give you the tools you need to counter this argument, 45 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 2: because it's the it's really the only argument I keep 46 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 2: hearing about. Oh, but now you're imposing a poll tax. 47 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 2: That's why it's Jim Crow two point zero. So the 48 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 2: argument goes like this, getting a birth certificate costs money, 49 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: and it does, I don't know, twenty five bucks, fifty bucks. 50 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 2: I guess it depends on every state. Getting a passport 51 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 2: costs I don't know, at least one hundred and sixty 52 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 2: five dollars, probably more if you expedite it. A certificate 53 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 2: of citizenship can cost around thirteen hundred dollars. So therefore, 54 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 2: requiring any of those documents to register to vote is 55 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 2: functionally equivalent to charging a fee to vote. But there's 56 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 2: a structural flaw in that argument, and the structural argument 57 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: that tears it apart is this, the government is not 58 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 2: the one charging you to vote. The fee is being 59 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 2: charged to obtain a document that has independent existence, an 60 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 2: independent value is entirely separate from voting. A birth certificate 61 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: is not a poll tax receipt, at is not a 62 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 2: ballot entry ticket. In fact, those documents prove who you 63 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 2: are for a hundred, if not a thousand different purposes 64 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 2: in civic and commercial life. To get a job, to 65 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 2: open a bank account, to apply for federal benefits, to 66 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 2: board a flight, to get your Social Security The cost 67 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 2: exists independently of any voting requirement anywhere, and that distinction 68 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 2: is not a technicality. It's the legal ballgame. And let 69 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 2: me explain why it's the legal ballgame. The Supreme Court 70 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 2: has already addressed this, and the answer is something you 71 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 2: need to understand. In a case Crawford versus Marion County 72 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 2: Election Boards, a two thousand and eight Supreme Court case, 73 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 2: maybe Jenner Griswold argued it, maybe. 74 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 3: We should ask her. 75 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 2: The Supreme Court upheld Indiana's voter ID law by a 76 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 2: six to three majority, reasoning directly not in some but 77 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 2: directly addresses the cost as a poll tax argument, and 78 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 2: the court found that the burden of acquiring, possessing, and 79 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 2: showing a free photo identification is simply not severe because 80 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 2: it does not even represent a significant increase over the 81 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:30,119 Speaker 2: usual burdens of voting. So, most crucially, the Crawford Court 82 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 2: made clear that the constitutional line isn't does this cost anything? 83 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 2: The constitutional line is whether the government is charging a 84 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 2: fee specifically conditioned on voting, the fact that most voters 85 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 2: already possess a valid driver's license or some other phone 86 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 2: of acceptable identification would not save the statute under the 87 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 2: court's reasoning in Harper, if the state voters. If the 88 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 2: state required voters to pay at time or a fee 89 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 2: to obtain a new photo identification, which is why the 90 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 2: Indiana law was designed to offer free IDs. The Court's 91 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 2: message was, if you require a document, make it free. 92 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 2: Don't make people pay to vote. But a document that 93 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 2: exists for multiple purposes, that has pre existing independent value 94 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: is not a poll tax simply because it costs money. 95 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 2: But you think that's not enough to make you happy. 96 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 2: The Eleventh Circuit went even further in a similar case 97 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 2: in a case called Black Voters Matter Fund versus Secretary 98 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:48,359 Speaker 2: of State. The Eleventh Circuit rejected the argument that postage 99 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 2: itself is a tax, writing that the novel theory that 100 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 2: plained us asked us to adopt that Georgia imposes a 101 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 2: tax by not paying for a service simply does not 102 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 2: hold water. The court found that incidental cost of voting 103 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 2: do not offend the US Constitution. For example, if you 104 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 2: were let me take another in Colorado, okay, after the 105 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 2: break dragons to make dragon happen? 106 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 3: Did after the break. 107 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 4: Michael, you should have Dan Kaplas on your radio show. 108 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 4: The other day, he spoke at a breakfast I was at, 109 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 4: and he talked about this very subject. He thought, the 110 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 4: reason that Jenn and Griswold outright lied is so that 111 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 4: she can prove to the political insiders that she's willing 112 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 4: to lie. 113 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 5: Oh, she's the. 114 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 4: Gal or whatever they want her to do next. She's 115 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 4: willing to put it all out there just to be 116 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 4: in the No. 117 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 2: Thanks, Kathleen, way to go, Dan. Yeah, that's pretty good. 118 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 2: You mean the Democrats lie and they want someone who 119 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 2: can show that they can lie and stand up the 120 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 2: Kyle Clark. 121 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 3: Maybe Kyle's that on the gig who knows? 122 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, go lie for me and then I'll call 123 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 2: you out on it and then you know, I'll talk 124 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 2: about it. But that'll all prove that, you know, hey, 125 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 2: you're the most qualified because you're the best liar. Wow, 126 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 2: pretty good, Camp, It's pretty good. Now let's go as 127 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,559 Speaker 2: I said, let's go to the eleventh circuit. The case 128 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 2: was we're talking about the Save Act and the argument 129 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 2: I keep hearing from everybody about has a poll tax 130 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 2: in black motors, black motors, black Voters Matter Fund versus 131 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 2: Secretary of State. The Eleventh Circuit rejected the argument that 132 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 2: postage itself is a tax, and they wrote that, well, 133 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 2: it's a pretty novel theory that the planists ask us 134 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 2: to adopt. That Georgia imposes a tax by not paying 135 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 2: for a service simply does not hold wart water. 136 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 3: The court found that incidental. 137 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 2: Costs to voting do not offend the Constitution, and the 138 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 2: court called the argument borderline frivolous. Think about it in Colorado. Oh, 139 00:08:55,760 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 2: you have to put a stamp on to nail your balance. 140 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 2: Stamps are now dragging off for what we do from me. 141 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 2: They were like eighty cents or something. Yeah, almost a buck. 142 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 2: I mean, that's outrageous a poll tax. Or I could 143 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 2: drop it off without a stamp by going to one 144 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 2: of the drop boxes. But now I got to take 145 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 2: RTD or I got to drive and with the price 146 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 2: of gas, oh my gosh, I might use I might 147 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 2: use a tenth of a gallon of gas, so there's 148 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 2: that cost. Or I might have to have an ubertake me. 149 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 2: The cost as poll tax argument just proves to be 150 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 2: too much. The reductile ad absurdum that the poll tax 151 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 2: advocates never One's answer is this, If an incidental cost 152 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 2: associated with voting constitutes an unconstitutional poll tax, then virtually 153 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 2: every voting law ever enacted is unconstitutional. 154 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 3: Think about it. 155 00:09:55,120 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 2: Registering to vote requires going somewhere, Gas costs money, bus fare, 156 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 2: RTD cost some money. What said RDD gives it too 157 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 2: much away. Voting in person requires to take time off 158 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 2: from work that has an economic value to it. Requesting 159 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 2: an absentee ballot requires a stamp, which is eleventh circuits that. 160 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 3: That does not know. 161 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 2: Getting a real id at the DMV requires taking two 162 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 2: weeks off while you sit there and turn into a 163 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 2: skeleton waiting for your turn for them to call your number, 164 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 2: and then you've got to travel, and then you have 165 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 2: to pay the fees, and by the time you get out, 166 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 2: it's time to start collecting Social Security. If any cost 167 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 2: associated with exercising the franchise is a poll tax, then 168 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 2: we've just essentially abolished most of election law. The Democrats 169 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 2: making this argument they're not applying it consistently because they 170 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 2: can't apply it consistently it would swallow the entire regulatory 171 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 2: framework they otherwise support. 172 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 3: The document cost. 173 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 2: Is a poll tax argument fails the very test of 174 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 2: the definition of a poll tax, because a poll tax, 175 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 2: by definition, would be a direct tax imposed for the 176 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 2: act of voting itself. A passport fee, a driver's license fee, 177 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 2: an ID fee is several steps removed from voting, and 178 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 2: those documents are useful for many other purposes other than voting. Moreover, 179 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 2: a replacement birth certificate costing about twenty five to thirty dollars, 180 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 2: depending on the state, that's valid for a lifetime. Admortized 181 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 2: over an average lifespan, that might work out to what 182 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 2: a few cents per year. A basic US passport costs 183 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 2: about one hundred and thirty dollars, is valid for ten years, 184 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 2: which is what about a dollar a month. Now compare 185 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:55,319 Speaker 2: that to Harper RGI. That's the original poll tax case. 186 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 2: Virginia's poll tax was a dollar fifty you know what 187 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 2: that is in today's dollars fifteen bucks, and the Supreme 188 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 2: Court struck that down because it was a direct government 189 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 2: imposed fee whose only purpose, the court said, was to 190 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 2: condition voting. That is not what a birth certificate is. 191 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 2: I don't get a birth certificate. My parents didn't get 192 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 2: a birth certificate, knowing that when I turned you know, 193 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 2: eighteen or should be twenty one or twenty five or 194 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 2: maybe thirty five, that I would be able to vote. 195 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 2: The government is not charging you twenty five dollars to vote. 196 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 2: The government's charging you twenty five dollars who have official 197 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 2: proof that you were born, proof that existed as a 198 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 2: legal necessity long before the Save Act was concede. Now 199 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 2: here's where intellectual honesty demands I give the other side 200 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 2: just do because there is a real concern buried inside 201 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 2: the poll tax rhetoric. A commentator at the Hill who's 202 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 2: actually an original, it's not a progressive, made it pretty well. 203 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 2: If Congress mandates documentary proof of citizenship for registering to 204 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 2: vote in federal elections, the federal and state government should 205 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 2: guarantee that eligible citizens can obtain the qualifying documents at 206 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 2: no costs. States should provides birth certificates for voting purposes 207 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 2: and no charge federal agencies. They could waive passport documentation 208 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 2: fees for limited verification use, but once the documentation is accessible, 209 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 2: with that financial burden, the policy cannot plausibly be characterized 210 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 2: as a poll tax. So if you're worried about cost 211 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 2: as a barrier, will it eliminate the cost. If that bugs, 212 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 2: you make birth certificate copies free for voter registration purposes, 213 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 2: that would be a solvable legislative problem, not a constitutional 214 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 2: defect in the concept of citizenship verification. The documents aren't 215 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 2: proposing that solution because the actual goal isn't solving the 216 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 2: access problem. 217 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 3: The goal is what to kill the bill. 218 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 2: So the poll tax argument is always emotional, and historically 219 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 2: it resonates, but it's legally thin. He conflates incidental costs 220 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 2: associated with proving your identity for all sorts of purposes 221 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 2: on a condition right to vote, and that simply does 222 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 2: not exist. 223 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: Mike Tim law As will be able to fix the 224 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: stamp issue, and then they can call him stamp on. 225 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 3: Tim. 226 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 2: We we've created a monster. Dragon, We've created a monster. 227 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 5: Gotta give it to him for getting pretty clever. 228 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 2: Well, I'm not saying it wasn't clever. I'm just saying 229 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 2: we've created monsters. 230 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 5: Did you get any more emails? 231 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 2: By the way, I did get an email? Oh yeah, 232 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 2: did you get an email? Was a high priority? 233 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: Oh? 234 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 5: That one was not? No? 235 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 3: Oh okay. 236 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 5: I was a little surprised that it. 237 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 3: Wasn't me to have you Have you made the correction, 238 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 3: not a chance. Do you still have the email? By chance? 239 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: No? 240 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 3: Do you know what the mistake was? 241 00:14:58,440 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 5: Not a clue? 242 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 2: Bragg and I just got a corporate email. Remember last 243 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 2: week we got the corporate email about changing our signature boxes, 244 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 2: our signature lines on our emails. 245 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 6: And it really worried our coworker. Jesse Thomas, producer of 246 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 6: The Rocky that's right, very nervous about it. Yes, yes, 247 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 6: we know what he's doing right now, sleeping in. 248 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 5: Probably No, No, there's a game here in a couple hours. 249 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 5: He's probably already. 250 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 3: He's probably already worked out. Yeah. 251 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 2: So, so we can't make fun of him because he's 252 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 2: probably not listening to us right now. 253 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 3: He could be. 254 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 2: He could be listening on the app. He could he 255 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 2: could be listening on down the line right, Yeah, he 256 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 2: could be listening down the line. H Jess, you need 257 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 2: to fixture your email signature and again again, yes, because 258 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 2: the goobers that sent us the email on Thursday or 259 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 2: Friday realize. I guess somebody or somewhere realized they have 260 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 2: a mistake. And I think it's the wrong font, which 261 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 2: will make a huge difference. 262 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 6: I'm sure corporate paid some buro to look at it 263 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 6: and consulting for him to go ahead. 264 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 5: Know that this aunt's a bad one. 265 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 2: And the one reason I think the font is the 266 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 2: mistake is because that's the only thing in the entire 267 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 2: email that is both faced and underlined. So I think 268 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 2: that must be it. So that will change the entire 269 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 2: I mean, ihearts profits will skyrocket now if we got 270 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 2: the right font. And I'll get to that as soon 271 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 2: as I get around to it. I had an uncle. 272 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 2: I had a crazy uncle that had made up these 273 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 2: like little wooden nickels and on the front was stamped 274 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 2: around to it. 275 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 3: Oh nice, And he would. 276 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 2: Say here if I ever said, well again I get 277 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 2: around to it, Oh here, now go do it. 278 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 5: That's pretty clever. 279 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 2: I thought it was pretty clever, too. Funny things you 280 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 2: remember about your uncles that are backcrap crazy around to it. 281 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 2: Let's see, I'm going to get something. I'm want to 282 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 2: talk about the environment or climate change for just a second. 283 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 2: But nine seven four, who started the whole who hijacked 284 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 2: the entire program, is still trying to hijack the program. 285 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 2: Speaking of voter rolls, purge, what criteria did those use 286 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 2: for that? Does anybody know? 287 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 3: Wow? 288 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 2: With all due respect nine five seven four. You're listening 289 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 2: to Chuck Schumer and taking a face value that what 290 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 2: he says is true. 291 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 3: Did it ever come across that maybe Chuck Schumer might 292 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 3: be lying. 293 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 2: THOSEE has no authority whatsoever to purge any voter roll 294 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 2: anywhere in the country, anywhere in the world. That's not 295 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 2: what they did. Those suggested to the administration that what 296 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 2: they ought to do is ask the states to provide 297 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 2: their voter rolls so that they could look at them and. 298 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 3: See how out of date they were. 299 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 2: Most states, a few states Texas, Tennessee. I don't have 300 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 2: them in front of me. A few states complied, most 301 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 2: states did not comply. And even those that did comply, 302 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 2: even if the federal government came back and said, well, 303 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 2: it looks to us like, you know, twenty percent of 304 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 2: year roles are out dated, and you ought to remove 305 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 2: these twenty you know x number of voters. 306 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 3: No states did that. 307 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:27,959 Speaker 2: So again, stop believing what the Democrats say. 308 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 3: They're lying to you. 309 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 2: And you also say, Michael, and the argument is, we 310 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 2: have already supplied those documents to like a birth certificate 311 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 2: in order to get a passport or to get a 312 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 2: driver's license, so. 313 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 3: Let me read it. 314 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 2: The argument is, we have already supplied those documents to 315 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 2: get the ideas that we have. Therefore those IDs should 316 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 2: be sufficient deal with it or to vote with it 317 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 2: or so. 318 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's what the law says, and the law says, and. 319 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 2: Even if you don't have those IDs, you can you 320 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 2: can cast a provisional ballot and will give you time 321 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 2: to get the proper documents. And the Supreme Court has 322 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 2: said that requiring those documents, which have other uses. Why 323 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 2: do you get a passport if you wanted to have 324 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 2: an ID just to vote, just to vote that proved 325 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 2: you were a US citizen. Why in the world would 326 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 2: you spend one hundred and sixty five dollars to get 327 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 2: a passport? If you if you have no intention of 328 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 2: ever traveling out of the country, why would you get 329 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 2: a passport? Just pay the ten, fifteen, twenty dollars or 330 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 2: whatever it is to get a birth certificate, or go 331 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 2: get a valid driver's license, or go get a valid 332 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 2: you know, a real ID driver's license. 333 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 3: Such a bullcraft, but get a real ID. 334 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 2: Don't spend one hundred and sixty five dollars, spend you 335 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 2: know the twenty dollars to get a certified copy of 336 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 2: your birth certificate. This people are just looking for political 337 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 2: reasons to try to kill the Save Act, and of 338 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 2: course that dumbask John Thune is giving them every reason 339 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 2: to try to delay it. And now we're faced with 340 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 2: a well, a really stupid situation. So you've heard of 341 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 2: a thousand times before. Let me try to get some 342 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 2: of this in before we run out of time, or 343 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 2: we'll just kick Mandy out. Who cares. 344 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 3: You've heard it a thousand times. 345 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 2: Unprecedented warming, the Hoddstone record nothing like this, and I 346 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 2: don't know two thousand years or more. It's the drum 347 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 2: beat of every single climate report that I was reading 348 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 2: over the weekend, every congressional hearing, every breathless news segment, 349 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 2: and the implication is always the same, that's what happened. 350 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 2: What is happening to the climate right now is something 351 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 2: entirely new, and therefore only humans could have caused it. 352 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 2: But here's the question. Nobody in the cabal seems to 353 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 2: want to ask. Unprecedented compared to what the inconvenient truth? 354 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 2: The Earth has a long memory, and that memory shows 355 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 2: a climate that has always been dynamic. It's been variable, 356 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 2: and it's been capable of dramatic swings long before there 357 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 2: was a single suv or there was a cold plant 358 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 2: anywhere on the stupid planet. So here's the problem with 359 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 2: this unprecedented claim. Our reliable temperature measurements go back maybe 360 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 2: a century and a half. That's it now in geologic terms, 361 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 2: that's the blink of an eye. Yet we're making all 362 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 2: these sweeping pronouncements about what's unprecedented based on that tiny 363 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 2: sliver of time, while largely ignoring the much longer record 364 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 2: that actually exists buried in the Greenland ice, the Antarctic cores, 365 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 2: and even cave deposits from around the world. And I 366 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 2: don't have this quote in front of me, but in 367 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 2: doing some meeting over the weekend, they were talking about 368 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 2: the length of time that humans have been on the planet, 369 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 2: and if midnight was like today, we've been on the 370 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 2: planet for since eleven to fifty nine PM, about one 371 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 2: minute out of a twenty four hour day, and then 372 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 2: extrapolate that out to the time that the Earth, the 373 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 2: planet has existed. 374 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 3: We're just a blimp. 375 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 2: We've barely been here. So the problem with that unprecedented 376 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 2: claim is that it goes back maybe a century and 377 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 2: a half and humh, well, wow, that's not really measuring anything. 378 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 2: So what is the longer record? Show events called the 379 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 2: and I probably mispronounced these the danceguard Osgar cycles, periods 380 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 2: where temperature in Greenland shifted by ten to thirteen degrees 381 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 2: in a matter of decades, not centuries, but decades. And 382 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 2: those aren't from just one lab with an agenda. They've 383 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 2: been independently confirmed by two separately drilled ice cores that 384 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 2: came back with the same astonishing data. And now the 385 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 2: scientists who are pushing the unprecedented narrative, they're not stupid, 386 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 2: but they are working with tools that have a significant limitation. 387 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 2: I'd never heard this before until this weekend. It's called smoothing. 388 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 2: When you aggregate temperature data from hundreds of sources across 389 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 2: the entire globe and then average it all together, all 390 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 2: the sharp edges disappear, wild regional swings get flattened into 391 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 2: a calm looking straight line. And then someone looks at 392 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 2: that calm line notices a recent uptick, and that allows 393 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 2: them to call it unprecedented without mentioning the process of 394 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 2: creating that line mathematically erased most of the natural variability 395 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 2: that came before. It's a little like taking crime stats 396 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 2: from say, fifty cities, averaging them all together, and then 397 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 2: declaring the crime in your specific neighborhood is unprecedented without 398 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 2: noting that the averaging process already smoothed away the three 399 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 2: times your neighborhood was actually worse. The argument is simple 400 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 2: and devastating. If modern warming is truly unprecedented, that claim 401 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 2: should hold up against the full record, not just the 402 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 2: short one. And when you actually look at the full record, 403 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 2: the case gets pretty hard to make. And this matters why. 404 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 2: Because trillions of dollars in policy decisions, energy costs, regulatory burdens, 405 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 2: they're all being justified on the premise that what we're 406 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 2: experiencing is unique in human history. So if that premise 407 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 2: is shakier than we've been lied and told about in 408 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 2: a science increasing suggests that it is, then the people 409 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 2: making those decisions owe you an honest conversation about what 410 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 2: we actually know, what we're genuinely uncertain about, and what 411 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 2: we're simply assuming. Because I thought science wasn't supposed to 412 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 2: be a closed case. I thought science was supposed to 413 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 2: be a process. And when scientists go back to the 414 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,439 Speaker 2: primary data, not the summaries, not the press releases, not 415 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 2: the IPCC talking points. Then you find a more complicated, 416 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 2: more honest picture that starts to emerge. This planet has 417 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 2: been through a lot. It's been warmer than this before, 418 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 2: and it's changed faster than this before, and it did 419 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 2: all of that before we even existed. Now again, I 420 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 2: don't think that that means we don't have any responsibility. 421 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 2: I think we have an infinitesimal responsibility because I think overall, 422 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 2: the climate is still going to do what the climate 423 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 2: is going to do. But what it really does demand 424 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 2: is that the people keep pushing all of these expensive 425 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 2: policies on us to start telling us the full truth, 426 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 2: not just the part that fits their narrative, because those 427 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 2: narratives have consequences. Here's a question for you. What do 428 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 2: you get when a modern, wealthy, resource rich country decides 429 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 2: to spend a decade genuflecting at the alter of renewable 430 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 2: energy while systematically dismantling its own fossil fuel infrastructure. Oh 431 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:23,640 Speaker 2: what are you gonna do, Michael talk about the United 432 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 2: States right now? No, not at all. I want to 433 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 2: go somewhere else. I want to see it. Maybe it's 434 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 2: just because you know, when you realize that other places 435 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 2: are fools too, it's kind of comforting, isn't it. So 436 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 2: let's go to Australia. Right now, they're watching petroleum prices 437 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 2: blow past two dollars and twenty five cents a liter. 438 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 3: I exactulate what that is a gallon, and. 439 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 2: There are analysts warnings that could go forty cents higher, 440 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 2: and the government nothing in reserve to cushion to blow. 441 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 2: They don't have a strategic petroleum reserve. So let me 442 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 2: set the scene. The Iran war has rattled global energy markets, 443 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 2: no question about that. Is threatening to crack one hundred 444 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 2: dollars a barrel. Well, okay, that's the big headline, right 445 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 2: It's been a lot higher. Go back to the Biden 446 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 2: administration anywhere between one hundred and twenty two one hundred 447 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four dollars a barrel. So don't oh it's 448 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 2: gonna crack one hundred dollars a barrel. Yeah, Okay, been there, 449 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 2: done that. The G seven is talking emergency reserve releases. 450 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 2: South Korea. They've imposed price controls. Oh wait till they wait, 451 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 2: till they realize what price controls do Japan's starting to 452 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 2: intervene in the markets and Australia. Australia is essentially standing 453 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 2: in the kitchen washing the house burn down because somebody 454 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 2: spent the last decadar more replacing the fire extinguishers with 455 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 2: a bunch of solar panels. So here's the number that 456 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 2: should make every Australian and frankly every American sit up straight. Australia. 457 00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 2: Australia has about thirty days of fuel in reserve. I'm 458 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 2: not talking about strategic patroller reserve. I'm talking about in 459 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 2: all of the storage tanks, in all of the gas 460 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 2: stations everywhere, they've got about a thirty day supply. That's it, 461 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 2: thirty days. It's not a strategic reserve. That's a long 462 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 2: weekend away from a pre industrial society. Now we maintain 463 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 2: the strategic patroller reserve enough to supply the country for months, 464 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 2: and quite honestly, strategic patroller reserve means it's going to 465 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,120 Speaker 2: be used for strategic purposes when we're engaged in oh, 466 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 2: I don't know, world War III or something. Australia, by contrast, 467 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 2: imports roughly ninety percent of its refined fuel. It mostly 468 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 2: comes from Asian refineries and those Asian and that they 469 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 2: those themselves depend on Middle Eastern crude. Australia's entire energy 470 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 2: lifeline runs through thousands of kilometers of open ocean and 471 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 2: straight through one of the most volatile regions on the planet. Now, 472 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 2: how did a country sitting on some of the world's 473 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 2: largest energy reserves end up that exposed the green priorities, 474 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 2: the climate scam. For the better part of a decade now, 475 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 2: Australian governments, under pressure from all the climate activists, the 476 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 2: green lobbies, the political class desperate for ESG credentials, all 477 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 2: of those congregants in the Church of the climate activists, 478 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 2: allowed domestic refinery after domestic refinery to close. 479 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 3: If you listen to me on. 480 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 2: Saturday, we talked about how California has they're down the 481 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,479 Speaker 2: walk like three refineries. Now how to ten or so. 482 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 2: Australia is the living example of what can happen in California, 483 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 2: which then would affect our national security when you think 484 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 2: about all the military bases on the West Coast. At 485 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 2: its peak, Australia had eight. Today it has two refineries. 486 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 2: And the argument is always some version of this, Well, 487 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 2: we're transitioning to renewables transitioning. 488 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 489 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 2: Really, fossil fuel infrastructure is yesterday's investment. 490 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 3: The future is wind and solar. 491 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 2: So the refineries closed, the storage capacity shrink, and the 492 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 2: strategic thinking that I'll evaporated. When the current Morrison government 493 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 2: finally acknowledged the problem in twenty twenty, their solution was, 494 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 2: and I'm not gonna make this up, to store Australia's 495 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 2: emergency oil reserve in the United States. So they bought 496 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 2: crude oil and parked it. Are you ready for this, dragon? 497 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 2: Australia parked part of their reserves inside the United States 498 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 2: Strategic Petroleum Reserve. So whatever's in there, whether it's one 499 00:30:55,520 --> 00:31:01,479 Speaker 2: gallon or bazillion gallons, somebody's got acclaim on it, and 500 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 2: it ain't you. 501 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 3: So you're oh. 502 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 2: Bugaboo about the Strategic Patrolling Reserve is worse than you 503 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 2: think it is. Happy, happy Monday, Happy Monday. Now, on paper, 504 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 2: it satisfied international accounting rules. In reality it was a 505 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 2: masterpiece of the bureaucratic deep state. 506 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 3: Theater. 507 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 2: Fuel stored on the other side of the Pacific is 508 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 2: not available in an Australian emergency. And here's the punchline. 509 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 2: Those barrels were already released during the Ukraine oil shock, 510 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 2: meaning the reserve that everybody thought was sitting there for Australia, 511 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 2: they've already spent it. So it was a gimmick dressed 512 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 2: up as a policy. It was a press release pretending 513 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 2: to be a strategy, and the Climate Agenda enabled every 514 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 2: single step of that. Because when your political identity is 515 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 2: built around transitioning away from fossil fuels, you can't simultaneously 516 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 2: make a serious, long term, capital intensive commitment to fuel 517 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 2: storage refine that need capacity and energy resilience because those 518 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 2: two things are in direct contradiction. You can chase net 519 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 2: zero or you can build a serious strategic petroleum reserve, 520 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 2: but apparently I don't think you can do both. The 521 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 2: consequences they're now visible in real time. Fuel, as you know, 522 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 2: is the bloodstream of a modern economy. It moves food 523 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 2: from farms to shelves, runs the trucks, detractors, the mining 524 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 2: equipment of the aircraft, and when oil places explode, everything 525 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 2: gets more expensive. The Reserve Bank of Australia is now 526 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 2: warning that this shot could drive inflation significantly higher, potentially 527 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 2: forcing interest rates on households that are already stretching the 528 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 2: breaking point. And this is the argument the climate crowd 529 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 2: in the Church of the climate activists never want to have. 530 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 2: Energy security is national security. That's not a conservative talking point, 531 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 2: that's not a Michael Brown talking point. That's a strategic fact. 532 00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 2: Australia is learning the lesson right now at the pump 533 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 2: the Western world. Are we going to pay attention or 534 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 2: are we going to do the same foolishness