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Speaker 1: Do you want to be an American Scott flowing back

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Speaker 1: on seven hundred WLW welcome to it, to the last gast winter,

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Speaker 1: we hope anyway, with a snowfalling back to let's rewind

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Speaker 1: it back to the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Here thirty nine arrested, sixty five cars toed in Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: in the street takeover. And of course yesterday the courtrooms

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Speaker 2: were filled with defendants in this case, all pleading not guilty.

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Speaker 2: And now the question is, okay, how do we prevent

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Speaker 2: this from happening in the first place? There may be

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Speaker 2: something happening in Kentucky that there may be an answer here. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Kentucky lawmaker says, if you want to play that game

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Speaker 2: in street racing and doing donuts and shutting down intersections,

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Speaker 2: then you know, the second time, not the first time,

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Speaker 2: but the second time we catch you, we're going to

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Speaker 2: take your car and put it in a crusher. We're

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Speaker 2: going to destroy your vehicle. She is Commonwealth Representative Beverly

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Speaker 2: Chester Burton from Louisville, joining the show this morning, sponsor

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Speaker 2: of Kentucky House Built four twenty five. Good morning, Representative

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Speaker 2: chester Burton, how are.

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Speaker 3: You, good morning? Thank you for having.

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Speaker 2: Me yes, ma'am, I appreciate you taking time out for

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Speaker 2: us up here in Ohio. So thirty nine people arrested,

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Speaker 2: fifty five cars TODI just on this this past weekend.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you see street takeovers in Louisville as well

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Speaker 2: and around the commonwealth. Does that kind of massive event

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Speaker 2: change the conversation about why Kentucky needs your proposal here

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Speaker 2: House Bill for twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Well, yesterday you know it passed in the House and

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Speaker 3: so we'll know it would now go to the Senate.

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Speaker 3: But what happened, how this all start started, is because

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Speaker 3: I had numerous requests in twenty twenty five about things

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Speaker 3: street race and greg racing on the Expressway in communities

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Speaker 3: you know, all over I mean literally, And so after

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Speaker 3: pay attention and kind of investigate what's really going on.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that the street takeovers should apply to this?

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Speaker 2: Because I think, generally speaking, reading through the bill has

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Speaker 2: more to do with people who are drag racing. Should

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Speaker 3: Absolutely? Because I mean, to me, that is another form

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Speaker 3: street racing, drag racing. To me, it's pretty much one

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that this failed last year. You said

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Speaker 2: it got through this time. What's the difference? How did

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Speaker 3: What the difference is? I had conversations across the owls

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Speaker 3: and across you know, with the Senate and the House

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Speaker 3: members to let them know that it almost made it through.

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Speaker 3: Last year, we simply went out of time. And so

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Speaker 3: this time I started the conversation early, you know, when

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Speaker 3: we started siling bills, and I'm letting them know I'm

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Speaker 3: going to thousand again. It's still an issue. People are

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Speaker 3: still commenting and you know, emailing me or you know,

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Speaker 2: So let me lay this out for folks in Kentucky. Well,

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Speaker 2: I mean for anyone driving in Kentucky, and how the

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Speaker 2: supplies to the street takeovers here in Cincinnati. So for

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Speaker 2: the first defense, it'd be a five hundred dollars fine

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Speaker 2: for ninety days. For the first defense. Second offense, you're

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Speaker 2: and commission of the violation forfeited to the state to

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Speaker 2: be disposed of under Kentucky law. So we will seize

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Speaker 2: I'm concerned that now we have another civil asset forfeiture

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Speaker 2: And there's been many cases where authorities have seized property

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Speaker 3: This well, I just one of the things that see

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Speaker 3: But the post seeds of the questioning or of this

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Speaker 3: Oh and I felt even though many people see it

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Speaker 2: So the city or the state in this case will

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Speaker 2: that in a minute. But the Cincinnati takeover talking about here,

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Speaker 2: Does the Commonwealth have to coordinate with Indiana and also

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean you've brought up very interesting you know

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Speaker 3: So when I watched this information that you sent me

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Speaker 2: She is a Commonwealth representative Beverly Chester Burton. She's sponsoring

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Speaker 2: this bill it moved through yesterday, that that's going to

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Speaker 2: allow for a second either street racing or drag racing offense.

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Speaker 2: This is in Kentucky now that they're going to seize

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Speaker 2: So what's your response to critics who say the destruction

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it doesn't work if people don't know

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm here in Ohio in a way student in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: These folks were all facing first degree misdemeanors, and that,

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Speaker 2: Because I look at Kentucky with you got going on here,

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it would be a wake up call, Scott.

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Speaker 3: know what, I don't know if I want to do

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Speaker 4: Essentially, that is U.

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Speaker 2: We have government spartial government shutdown, but that's a federal issue,

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Speaker 3: But but what I will applaud local legislators that are

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Speaker 2: Well, the fact of the matters they're doing this in

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Speaker 4: It's for it's for clicks.

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Speaker 2: Right back in the day, people with drag race and

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Speaker 2: Is there a distinction in the bill between participants and

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Speaker 3: I do nothing, So I mean, I don't have to

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, that's fine.

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Speaker 4: Is is there? Should there be a subtlety there?

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you're there and going, wow, what is

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Speaker 2: Because that's all happening on social and online. It's a

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Speaker 3: Well, I think they are organizers that they feel that

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Speaker 3: I mean that's you know, those those will probably few,

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Speaker 3: It's one thing we know that it's coming and you

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Speaker 4: Okay, and that's good.

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Speaker 2: I mean with traffic cameras and video and everything else,

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Speaker 4: And there's a very fine line there.

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Speaker 2: I think going after those who are actually doing the

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Speaker 4: If it passes it, yeah, go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think if you're you know, you're caught up

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Speaker 4: Right right, a lot of evidence. There's a lot more evidence.

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Speaker 2: And also also I think too that yeah, it's it

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Speaker 2: I just wonder if it changes behavior that much. And

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Speaker 2: it's a Kentucky house built four twenty five with the

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Speaker 2: We're gonna take your car.

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Speaker 4: And crush it.

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Speaker 2: And you know, somebody said, well, taking the driver's license enough.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's passed in the House yesterday, so now it

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Speaker 3: you that you think that you want to drag race,

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Speaker 3: But not on city roads, not in communities, not on

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Speaker 2: She is a Kentucky Commonwealth representative Beverly Chester Burton, sponsoring

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Speaker 2: House Built four twenty five, which on a second offense,

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Speaker 2: cities like Cincinnati, Columbus, Cleveland and elsewhere for that matter. Beverly,

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Speaker 2: thanks for coming on the show this morning.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you, absolutely, thank you for the opportuny.

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Speaker 4: All right, well speak again. You have a great day.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The civil libertarian to me is like I got some

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Speaker 2: if that's what the case is, and we know that

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Speaker 2: They're driving well suspended. The court doctors are full of

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Speaker 2: these things. How else do you get someone else's attention.

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Speaker 2: It's certainly an interesting question to be answered. Scott's Loan Show.

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