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Speaker 1: So No. Five, I fifty about ker Cede Talk Station.

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Speaker 1: So excited when I came in this morning to see

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Speaker 1: on the rundown a special edition of a segment we

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Speaker 1: do every Tuesday at eight thirty, the Daniel Davis Deep Dive,

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Speaker 1: retired Lieutenant Colonel Daniel Davis, offering his beautiful, insight and

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Speaker 1: thoughtful analysis of matters involving war and of course matters

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Speaker 1: involving grabbing Maduro and taking him to be tried in

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Speaker 1: federal court in New York City. Welcome back, Daniel Davis

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Speaker 1: Deep Dive time. It's good to see my friend. Happy

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Speaker 1: New Year.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with that well and thanks, thanks. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we took a couple of weeks off in the Holy Cow,

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Speaker 2: a country was invaded in a president's rike. We better

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Speaker 2: not take off anymore. Too many things are happening. I know,

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Speaker 2: I couldn't agree with you more, sir. And you know,

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Speaker 2: part of me was really really happy that all this

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Speaker 2: hit the fan over the weekend, because after ten days off,

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Speaker 2: from vacation, sir. So this really kind of took the

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Speaker 2: weight off, at least in terms of coming up with

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Speaker 2: a well very interesting topic and this was beyond interesting.

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Speaker 2: Let me first remark as I opened the show up

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Speaker 2: this morning, putting aside all of the you know, political implications,

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Speaker 2: the legal implications, and what this might mean for us

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Speaker 2: things we can talk about. You got to give the

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Speaker 2: American military huge props for what I mean, that was

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Speaker 2: an unbelievable mission. I mean boom boom in out, obviously

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Speaker 2: well oiled, well planned, and clearly we had some inside

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Speaker 2: help within the Maduro regime. Yeah, that's exactly what it's

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Speaker 2: going to say this. There's really two separate tracks to

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Speaker 2: examine here, and both deserve their own focus. And the

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Speaker 2: first one is on the military execution of this, and

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Speaker 2: it was about his flawless of a large scale operation

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Speaker 2: as I have literally ever seen in my lifetime. I mean,

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Speaker 2: there's I think that there was when the leader of

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Speaker 2: in World War Two and they got him out of there,

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Speaker 2: you know, an amazing snatch and grab back in World

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Speaker 2: War Two. That's about the only thing I can think

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Speaker 2: of that reaches this level of precision. And you're right,

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Speaker 2: there's by all accounts, there was a double agent that

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Speaker 2: we had, involved probably multiple, probably not just one, but

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Speaker 2: definitely around the inner circle of the president. We had that.

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Speaker 2: But even without that, the operation to go in with

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Speaker 2: significant in taking those down. And then of course there's

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Speaker 2: just all of the rehearsals that went in. But I

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Speaker 2: all the rehearsals that were done. There was apparently a

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Speaker 2: some unknown location to where these snatching grabs were rehearsal.

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Speaker 2: It was like they had been doing it a one

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Speaker 2: hundred time. So the opportunity to execute this with literally

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Speaker 1: Now it's the going forward component, which is the most

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Speaker 1: complicating element about all this. Donald Trump said, we basically

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Speaker 1: time until I guess an election can take place till

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Speaker 1: there's some stability there. Devil's always in the details. But

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Speaker 1: there are still loyal sympathizers to the Ukraine government, the

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Speaker 1: for having invaded it. Those people represent a legitimate threat

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Speaker 1: in terms of you know, I think about Castro waging

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Speaker 2: Well, let's hope not, because that could go south in

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Speaker 2: that's what I've been telling everybody. This operation to snatch

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Speaker 2: the regime. And all these people who've been celebrating Yay,

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Speaker 2: saying that's premature. Nothing has changed. The system itself is

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Speaker 2: All those people that have many of them, like the

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Speaker 2: I guess acting President Rodriguez, the question is going to be,

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Speaker 1: Us, and no question about it. And you know, that's

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Speaker 1: that's the part that's got me mostly worried. Now. The

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Speaker 1: to Venezuela and oil. Those really were secondary the the

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Speaker 1: be accomplished. But the lynchpin was that he had committed crimes.

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Speaker 1: He was a drug dealer, He had committed these illegal

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Speaker 1: back to what we went through with Manuel Noriega, very

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Speaker 1: comparable operation. He went through the entire legal process, made

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Speaker 2: Look, I mean, we got to be honest. You know

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Speaker 2: literally open that Pandora's box. In every country on the

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Speaker 2: this is black and white. We wanted a regime change.

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Speaker 2: We wanted political control of the country and physical control

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Speaker 2: it was an air force one last night. He said, yeah,

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Speaker 2: But I'm just telling you, Brian, if we want to

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Speaker 2: we have to go in there and force anything on

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Speaker 2: I'm just telling you, we don't have the force structure

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Speaker 2: quite frankly.

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Speaker 1: Well, And insofar as the Senator is discussing a war

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Speaker 1: that leave us? I mean, the president's basically free to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, You've had several and Lindsey Graham is the biggest

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Speaker 2: that the nineteen seventy three War Powers Act is not

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Speaker 2: and the nineteen seventy three War Powers is an actual law.

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Speaker 2: The problem is, and he is right in this regard,

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Speaker 2: Presidents across the board have been ignoring this for many, many,

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Speaker 2: And so to answer your direct question, yes, we are

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Speaker 2: The courts are not going to intervene, it doesn't appear.

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Speaker 1: Well, does that mean Supreme Leader Ali Kameni over and

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Speaker 2: Why wouldn't he. I mean, there's a lot of people

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Speaker 2: have to be concerned with that. And already our work

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Speaker 2: with the Israelis, they had I'd already threatened that in

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Speaker 2: the past, they had done it with Hezbollah, with his leaders.

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Speaker 2: the Israelis have opened up this Pandora's box. Although you

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Speaker 2: when he took out Solomon he with an assassination, attempt

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Speaker 2: or execution, and this is, you know, the law of

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Speaker 2: And I see how it could be a really dark

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Speaker 2: And that's problem for.

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Speaker 1: All of us. Yeah, I just said, it depends on

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Speaker 1: whose ox is being gord because Zorhan Mandami has declared

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Speaker 1: Benjaminett Yaho a war criminal responsible for genocide. If there

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Speaker 1: were presidents Zorhan Mandami, he could go and do the

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Speaker 1: same thing we did in Maduro, right, because he's been

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Speaker 1: labeled a war criminal, right, right.

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Speaker 2: And that's that's one of the things that I have

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Speaker 2: say that any of those countries, if they have the power,

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Speaker 2: and they would not go. Well, almost certainly, that's correct.

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Speaker 2: But the president has been set and you know, you

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Speaker 2: can't just you know, say, all right, this one's fine

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Speaker 2: for us because we lock it. That one's not fine.

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Speaker 2: That's different because well we lock him. But the problem

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Speaker 2: is that that's only as you just said, and the

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Speaker 2: eye of the beholder whose ox is gored, this is

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Speaker 2: just it's just not good for us. Man.

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Speaker 1: I'm just sorry. I'm just telling you, no, I feel

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Speaker 1: along the same way. I'm always looking down the road

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Speaker 1: at the next guy at the helm and how this

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Speaker 1: would implicate, would have implications for every presidential administration from hereafter. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Daniel Davis got to have you around to bounce these

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Speaker 1: ideas off of. And I appreciate you coming to the program.

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Speaker 1: Another twenty twenty six with the Daniel Davis Steve Dive

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Speaker 1: here on the fifty five KRC Morning Show, Right love

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Speaker 1: it look forward to it, amen, brother, as do I.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about the China Russia implications on this military

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Speaker 1: action maybe next time we talk. Because that's that's another

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Speaker 1: couple of wrinkles in the Yes it is bib it

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Speaker 1: is thought to talk about here the Kennedy Turl Daniel

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Speaker 1: Davis find his podcast Daniel Davis Deep Dive. You'll enjoy that.

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Speaker 1: I'll look forward to having you back on again real

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Speaker 1: soon and Happy New year' sir. Seven seventeen. Right now,

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