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Speaker 1: Burg Dynasty partner of the Pittsburgh Steelers, Mark Madden off today,

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Speaker 1: but he's on with us right now here on the

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Speaker 1: ex your home for the Penguins.

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Speaker 2: Mark b at the Penns game tonight.

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Speaker 1: He will also be hosting a viewing party tomorrow for

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Speaker 1: the game against the Islanders. Pittsburgh Brewing Company and Creighton

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Speaker 1: Thursday night, Carsons in Scottdale, Mark Orrel's are you going

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Speaker 1: to be what's on the docket for the Super Bowl?

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Speaker 3: I'm everywhere, Kim. I'm at Pittsburgh Brewing and Creighton for

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Speaker 3: the Penguins game tomorrow night, biggest screen TV you'll ever see.

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Speaker 3: Carson's in scott Field Thursday, then Sunday for the Super

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Speaker 3: Bowl at Celebrations in Imperial Celebrations.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if you heard the clip that

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Speaker 1: we just played from Kolbe Armstrong, but he has got

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Speaker 1: the evil King maniacal laughed down to continue his reign

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I heard it. It was really cat dB offs

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Speaker 4: I like it.

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Speaker 1: That was a fun game last night with all the

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Speaker 1: sidebars and everything with the outdoor classic whatever you want

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Speaker 1: to call it. This stadium series with the lightning in

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Speaker 1: the Bruins. But let's be honest, that goaliefight, it doesn't

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Speaker 3: No, it was a national TV main event type of deal,

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Speaker 3: and I think it sucks because that was a great game.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you had courch with four points, it went

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Speaker 3: to a shootout, comeback from five to one down, and

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Speaker 3: all people remember is the goalie fight because hockey just

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Speaker 1: I thought that was very true as well, because it

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Speaker 1: is the lead and what a comeback it was from

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Speaker 1: a Tampa Bay team.

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Speaker 2: Mark that.

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Speaker 1: Quite honestly, I keep waiting for this franchise to die

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Speaker 1: and it won't, and they might win the East again.

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Speaker 3: They might win the Stanley Cup again. They've kind of

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Speaker 3: caught a pocket where there's not a single really good

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Speaker 3: And in the West, I mean all of them teams

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Speaker 3: are better than Campa, but not that much better. And

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Speaker 3: by the time you get to the final, who knows

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Speaker 3: what the circumstances are. So yeah, if I had to

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Speaker 3: be Tampa. If I had to pick a team to

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Speaker 1: We've talked about the Robertson thing quite a bit from

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Speaker 1: a Pittsburgh perspective, Mark, what would you do with it?

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Speaker 1: From a Dallas perspective if you were them, just hold

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Speaker 3: Nobody, well, not nobody, but very rarely does somebody leave

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Speaker 3: bea restricted free agency. So they could probably you know,

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Speaker 3: finankle a way to keep them. You know, they could

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Speaker 3: dump other contracts. Maybe not fe like they'd love to

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Speaker 3: dump Thomas again, who has like nine point seven left

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Speaker 3: on the deal that runs a couple more years. But

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Speaker 3: I mean, who's going to take him off their hands?

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I think because they're in legitimate contention, they

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Speaker 3: are most likely to keep Robertson through season ten. That's

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Speaker 3: not a lot, but it's most likely.

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Speaker 1: You use the word pocket before when talking about the Lightning.

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Speaker 1: Is there an element of a pocket right now? That's

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Speaker 1: aiding the PA too, in terms of where they are,

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Speaker 1: what their level of development is, and the lack of

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Speaker 3: Well, there's a pocket for them to win a playoff series.

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Speaker 3: I won't go further than that. And they got to

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Speaker 3: make the playoffs first, which a lot of people are

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Speaker 3: taking for granted. But I remember that ape and losing

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Speaker 3: streak and all those long leads. So I like where

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Speaker 3: they're at. I like the balance. I like that they're

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Speaker 3: managing to cope with injuries. I like that the Olympics

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Speaker 3: break will be good to them, But I'm not sure

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Speaker 3: exactly where it leads. I mean a lot of people,

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's really overreacting. But then again, that's what

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Speaker 1: I think it would be great if they are in

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Speaker 1: and makes things an absolute nightmare. That's what i'mvoting for.

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Speaker 1: You might get with it would be like, wouldn't it

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, And I what if there's like a Penguins

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, it would be a disaster, and I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm here for all of it.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, it would be chaos.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just we're gonna realize in real short order

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Speaker 3: that happened the draft here ain't not what's scraped up

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Speaker 3: to be. It's gonna be more trouble than it square,

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Speaker 3: especially when they picked some Boso, which whatever Boso picked

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Speaker 1: And we were just done with Matt Williamson before you

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Speaker 1: came on, Mark, and we were talking about the lack

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Speaker 1: of quarterbacks in the draft, and it's basically Mendoza at

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Speaker 1: after that. For all the Ty Simpson bluster that's out there,

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Speaker 2: The second round.

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Speaker 1: The Steelers can take care of the wide receiver needs

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Speaker 1: as it is, before they even think about a quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Why I think they need to get a number one

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Speaker 3: one wide receiver. I agree in DK Metcalf's at number one.

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Speaker 3: He he might be their best receiver on the roster

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Speaker 3: and once last year. But I mean, Seattle doesn't seem

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Speaker 3: to be struggling a great deal with that, DK.

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Speaker 1: And I've made that point. In fact, I made that

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Speaker 1: he would have been number two to Jackson Smith and Jigba.

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Speaker 1: And it's probably best that he wasn't there for that

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Speaker 1: let's revisit that common conversation. If they do, in fact

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Speaker 1: draft the right guy this year.

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Speaker 3: What's a flawed roster? I mean, Mike mccartyk could have

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Speaker 3: fixed that. He ain't could fix everything, that's for sure.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the power at Greenfield doesn't make bad players good.

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Speaker 3: If it did, that hired him a long time ago. Heck,

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Speaker 3: Dallas would have done better, green Bay even better. So

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Speaker 3: uh yeah, I think it's going to be a team

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Speaker 3: is high. And I wrote this in the trip was

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Speaker 1: Den Mark Madden, he's at the Pittsburgh Brewing Company tomorrow

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Speaker 1: for the Islanders game. Make sure you're out there for

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Speaker 1: his appearance also Thursday at Carson's in Scottdale for the

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Speaker 1: game against the Buffalo Sabers, and then for the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl celebrations in Imperial.

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Speaker 2: Who's gonna win the Super Bowl? In Why Mark? What

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Speaker 2: do you think?

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Speaker 1: I go with Seattle? And right now, if he made

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Speaker 1: me choose, I'd give the four and a half. I'll

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Speaker 1: it go down with some late money in from Boston

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Speaker 2: But I'm still gonna take the Seahawks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think New Windlan's arrived early. That

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Speaker 3: doesn't mean they'll ever get back, but they've arrived a

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Speaker 3: bit early. I think Seattle's clearly the better team. You know,

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Speaker 3: I am amazed at the lack of hype given to

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Speaker 3: Sam Darnold, Like it's not like a guy of destiny,

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Speaker 3: you know he's the right this second, I think he's

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Speaker 3: the better quarterback in the game. Although the one thing

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Speaker 3: I heard a lot of people talking about on national

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Speaker 3: talk radio is if Drake Tobay if they used if

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Speaker 3: they put him a little bit of risk with an

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Speaker 3: eye toward reward, they run a lot of called running

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Speaker 3: plays that could be something to keep the England in

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Speaker 3: this game. I think Donald's a terrific story. Well, can

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Speaker 3: I give the guy credit? I give the guy credit.

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Speaker 3: He's not dumped on anybody. That guy rid of him.

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Speaker 3: He's talking about how he gained something that got him

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Speaker 3: to this place by playing for all the teams. He

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Speaker 3: did so first class all the way by Donald.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know what mark the Donald thing as it

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Speaker 1: relates to the Steelers, I don't think enough has been

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Speaker 2: You know, the Steelers could have had that guy.

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Speaker 1: If they wanted to pay up, they could have had

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Speaker 1: argue that, but in theory, if they were just ten

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Speaker 1: well now you've got Darnold with Mike McCarthy. If you

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Speaker 3: The lust with which Rogers is being pursued both sitterly

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Speaker 1: Well, there's a balance there, like he's gonna be better

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Speaker 1: next year because McCarthy's gonna be his coach as opposed

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Speaker 3: Oh that I'm sorry, I don't know that. I don't

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Speaker 2: Well, yes, that's where I was going with it.

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Speaker 1: The other half of the coin is whatever more you

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Speaker 1: reap out of him being in a better system might

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Speaker 1: be canceled out by the fact that he's as far

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Speaker 1: he wasn't very good. There's still regardless, he's still won

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Speaker 3: Last year, McCarthy did an interview with Pop Pianne where

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Speaker 3: he talked about rekindling the match that Ian Rodgers had

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Speaker 3: in Green Bay. Wouldn't that be a great chapter? And Tim,

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Speaker 3: it was at that moment I knew it was a

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Speaker 3: worthy successor to Tomlin because want a crock of horsemen.

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Speaker 1: Or And by the end, it wasn't magic. By the end,

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Speaker 1: it was not winning in the playoffs, just like we

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Speaker 1: didn't see winning here under Tomlin. And that's a point

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Speaker 1: that has to be revisited every time you talk about this.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, Art just wants to win every year,

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Speaker 3: and that used to be a strength. Now it's like

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Speaker 3: a gratuitous weakness. It is digging the whole deeper, but

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Speaker 3: not that much deeper, you know what I mean, Tim,

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Speaker 3: It'd be great if it done the whole to four

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Speaker 3: and thirteen. That's how they solved their problems. But people

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Speaker 3: I've long regretted that we went to black and gold.

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Speaker 1: Lemew Mark, Madden again, Pittsburgh Brewing Company and Creighton Tomorrow

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Speaker 1: Night for the Penguins game against the Islanders than.

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Speaker 2: Carson Big Big.

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Speaker 2: What did I forget Mark? Anything?

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Speaker 3: That's all I can remember. Look at that far ahead, Tim,

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Speaker 1: Night's Show on the Way. More from Mark there, as

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Speaker 1: well as some commentary from various runs of Hockey Life

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Speaker 1: from over the weekend. Lots to get to and we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about it right now with Phil Borke, who you

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Speaker 1: can listen to on all the radio broadcasts here on

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Speaker 1: one oh five nine the X your home for the

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Speaker 1: Pens Boorky. Let's get to the most important topic of

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Speaker 1: the day, and that is, of course, how do you

446
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Speaker 1: think Colby Armstrong is handling being displaced as the fastest

447
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Speaker 1: goals score in an outdoor games history.

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Speaker 4: Good to be out with you, Tim, And well, I

449
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Speaker 4: don't think he's handling it well, but in very Colby

450
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Speaker 4: arm Dog Armstrong fashion, he made a clarification between stadium

451
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Speaker 4: series and what he was a part of, So I

452
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Speaker 4: think he still wants to keep the crown, just saying that,

453
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Speaker 4: you know, the games on New Year's Day a lot

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Speaker 4: more significant than the stadium series.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he's still the king of the Classic, and I

456
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Speaker 1: think he's going to start using that hashtag instead of

457
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Speaker 1: just twenty one seconds. But that was a fun game

458
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Speaker 1: for an outdoor stadium series contest between the Bruins of

459
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Speaker 1: the Lightning, certainly a ton going on. There was the

460
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Speaker 1: eleven second goal from Hegel what we're talking about. There

461
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Speaker 1: was the goalie fight, there was the huge comeback, There

462
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Speaker 1: was Genzel in the shootout, a lot to take away

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Speaker 1: from that one.

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Speaker 2: What'd you think of it?

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Speaker 4: You know what I took away from it took continuation

466
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Speaker 4: from what happened last year in the playoffs when these

467
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Speaker 4: two teams got it on and carried over into the preseason,

468
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Speaker 4: and there was a lot of shenanigans, a lot of

469
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Speaker 4: scrapping in the preseason, and a lot of it was

470
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Speaker 4: initiated by the Tampa Bay Lightning. And I think they're

471
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Speaker 4: just sick of losing to the Florida Panthers in the

472
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Speaker 4: playoffs and they have decided that, you know what, the

473
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Speaker 4: blueprint that we used to win our Cups doesn't work anymore,

474
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Speaker 4: that we need to start leaning into what the Florida

475
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Speaker 4: Panthers are doing, and that is being the bully on

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Speaker 4: the block. And so I think, you know, a big

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Speaker 4: part of kind of the undercurrent of that game was

478
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Speaker 4: the Tampa Bay Lightning. And I get it wasn't the

479
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Speaker 4: Florida Panthers, but it was the big bat Bruins, who

480
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Speaker 4: are scrappy in their own right, but it's them kind

481
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Speaker 4: of flexing to Florida, flexing to the league and say

482
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Speaker 4: you can't push us around. We're not just the skilled

483
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Speaker 4: team anymore. We are like the Florida Panthers. We're skilled,

484
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Speaker 4: we're tough, and we're ready to take it to the

485
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Speaker 4: back alley. And also when you see Andre Bathilewski, whoever

486
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Speaker 4: saw that coming, I don't think you had that on

487
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Speaker 4: your Bengo card, did you, Tim I did not was

488
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Speaker 4: the one who initiated that fight, right, He was the

489
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Speaker 4: one that came down the ice and challenged Jeremy Swayman.

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Speaker 4: So again, I think that's the continuation of the message

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Speaker 4: from management, from John Cooper, the head coach, that we

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Speaker 4: are going to change our spots a little bit on

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Speaker 4: how people perceive the Tampa Bay Lightning.

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Speaker 1: Given what you just talked about with them, Given who

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Speaker 1: the Hurricanes are in the metro, how important is it

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Speaker 1: for the Penguins to keep themselves in this pocket of

497
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Speaker 1: second or third in the Metros. They don't have to

498
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Speaker 1: be in a wild card slot to play one of

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Speaker 1: those two teams if they're fortunate enough to get in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs in the first place.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're twenty nine games ago. This is the way

502
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Speaker 4: I'm reading the tea leaves that if you're not in

503
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Speaker 4: the top three in the metro, you're not in the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: That's the way I'm looking at the way the Atlantic

505
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Speaker 4: is coming along, and I didn't see Buffalo flipping the switch.

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Speaker 4: The team we have tonight is making a push. They've

507
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Speaker 4: won three in a row. Detroits for real. Oh you

508
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Speaker 4: know what Florida and Tampa are like. You know, and

509
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Speaker 4: Montreal is a bear too, So you're gonna see five

510
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Speaker 4: teams from the Atlantic. So I just that's why I

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Speaker 4: think it's paramount. It's paramount for the Penguins to win

512
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Speaker 4: all three of these games. They're all winnable games. Against Adua,

513
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Speaker 4: against the Islanders, against Buffalo. You've got to continue. Rip

514
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Speaker 4: the rearview mirror off. It doesn't matter anymore. What you

515
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Speaker 4: have to do is set your sights on Carolina. That

516
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Speaker 4: should be your number one goal, to keep moving up

517
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Speaker 4: the metro and then let the cards fall when they do.

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Speaker 4: After game maybe two.

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Speaker 1: One thing I would like to put in the rear

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Speaker 1: view mirror is your analysis of what went wrong and

521
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Speaker 1: why there was sudden and for one day regression. Back

522
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Speaker 1: to that team that we saw back in December that

523
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Speaker 1: struggled to hold any lead of any size in the third.

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Speaker 1: They've gotten so much better at that In fact, borghe

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Speaker 1: even with that game against the Rangers, that was just

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Speaker 1: the second time since Christmas they allowed for more than

527
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Speaker 1: three goals in the game. That's how good they've been defensively,

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Speaker 1: That's how sound they've been. Where did it come off

529
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Speaker 1: the rails they're laid against New York Just.

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Speaker 4: A minute of exhailing, that's all it was. And that's

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Speaker 4: how quick it can happen. So I would look at

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Speaker 4: as a gentle reminder that, hey, you know, all that

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Speaker 4: crap that you went through in December, it can happen

534
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Speaker 4: again if you think you can, if you think you're

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Speaker 4: got all that in the bag of chips right now.

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Speaker 4: And I don't think the Penguins were that, but again

537
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Speaker 4: some individual mistakes where maybe they just exhaled and said

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Speaker 4: we're up five to one, Oh, we got this game

539
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Speaker 4: in the bag. It maybe that could have happened in

540
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Speaker 4: the past, that's no longer possible. In this national hockey legue.

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Speaker 4: Every single team can kick you in the undercarriage quicker

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Speaker 4: than you could say Stanley Cup. That's the way this

543
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Speaker 4: league is right now. And so I thought that was

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Speaker 4: out of the Penguins game. I thought maybe damn muse

545
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Speaker 4: might call a timeout after the first goal was scored

546
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Speaker 4: to make it five to two and just bark out

547
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Speaker 4: the message and say that's it. It stops right there.

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Speaker 4: We're not going through this crap again. And so again,

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Speaker 4: it's good that they won that game. I think they

550
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Speaker 4: all realized, WHOA, we've seen this fish before. Let's not

551
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Speaker 4: ever let that happen again. If you want to be

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Speaker 4: top three in the metro, you cannot take your foot

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Speaker 4: off the gas pedal, even with the one goal lead.

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Speaker 1: BORKI, what did you like the most about what they

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Speaker 1: were doing from the goal out in terms of their

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Speaker 1: defensive prowess prior to that game? Because yes, the goaltending

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Speaker 1: has been better Skinner and she Lovs themselves have been

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Speaker 1: better than what they were getting in that prior to Christmas.

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Speaker 1: But aside from the goal tenders, what did you like

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Speaker 1: about everybody else on the isis to why they were

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Speaker 1: able to suppress the goal totals against them for most

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Speaker 1: of January.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, before I answer your question, I concur I think

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Speaker 4: it starts with the goaltenders. I think early on, late

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Speaker 4: in games, just certain Laton periods, there have been big

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Speaker 4: timely saves by both Skinner and she lovs that have

567
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Speaker 4: a lot of the Penguins to keep the train on

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Speaker 4: the tracks. Number one. To get to your question, I

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Speaker 4: think their defense. It's gonna sound kind of weird, just

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Speaker 4: hear me out, but I think where their defense is

571
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Speaker 4: the best is in the offensive zone. It's their four check.

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Speaker 4: You know, their four check when they're cooking and they're

573
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Speaker 4: humming and they're on their toes and they're for checking.

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Speaker 4: As a five man unit. There's been so many times

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Speaker 4: over this last what's seventeen games now, where I've seen

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Speaker 4: the other team's best players, best line just just bake

577
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Speaker 4: to get the puck out of the zone and hopefully

578
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Speaker 4: they can get it down deep enough to go for

579
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Speaker 4: a line change their gas. They're completely out of gas

580
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Speaker 4: because they've been defending the whole time. Because the Penguins

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Speaker 4: four check. Again in a five man unit, that means

582
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Speaker 4: defensemen injecting themselves, defensemen not bailing out on the blue

583
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Speaker 4: line too early, pinching at the right time with F

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Speaker 4: three fourard three, the high man, and just kind of

585
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Speaker 4: working it to a pulp, if you will. And also

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Speaker 4: I think they're backchecking. Is they backchecked with a purpose

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Speaker 4: down through the middle. Of the ice. And then it's

588
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Speaker 4: a lot of the little things of taking a hit

589
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Speaker 4: to make a play when you're gonna Murphy dump Murphy

590
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Speaker 4: dump it all the way up in the neutral zone.

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Speaker 4: And I just think, again, they're supporting each other, and

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Speaker 4: even when there's little mistakes, I like that they're thinking

593
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Speaker 4: of play ahead, thinking, oh, if Kim makes a mistake,

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Speaker 4: here I have my guy, but I also know I

595
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 4: can help him out.

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Speaker 2: Fill board with us.

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Speaker 1: One of five now on the Xekit and sept for

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Speaker 1: Pens and sends tonight here on your home for the Pens.

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Speaker 1: Of all the guys that have surprised with their offensive

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Speaker 1: output this year, I'm talking about Door, I'm talking about Shay,

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about China Kov, I'm talking about BRAZIAU. Who

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Speaker 1: amongst that group, or maybe it's somebody that I haven't

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Speaker 1: mentioned in that pack, Who amongst that group is the

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Speaker 1: most surprising to you that they've you know, they've gotten

605
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Speaker 1: a lot more blood from that stone than you expected.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you did that on purpose, if

607
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Speaker 4: if he didn't, I appreciate it. Anyways, you left off

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Speaker 4: Anthony Mantha. That was the guy that was gonna.

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Speaker 1: Actually no I'mantha, see because I thought that and I've

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Speaker 1: talked about this and it was it was broad up.

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Speaker 1: Manta was brought up in terms of puck distribution two

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Speaker 1: D games ago after the Blackhawk game. But I felt like,

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Speaker 1: you know, in terms of resume and point totals, he's

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Speaker 1: at least achieved the levels that he's at now, where

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Speaker 1: those names that I just brought up had not. That's

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Speaker 1: why I didn't put him in that batch. But hey,

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Speaker 1: go for it. If you think it's Mantha, tell me why.

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Speaker 4: No, buddy, I don't think there's the right answer here.

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Speaker 4: I think you know, if you lined up five people,

620
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Speaker 4: we'd have five different answers and they'd all be right right.

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Speaker 4: I mean from Brazil to kindle your right, Shay Chinah cough.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the list goes on. You know, a Chari

623
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Speaker 4: the year that Nola Chari's having. You know, he just

624
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 4: looks he looks light in the loafers if you will,

625
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 4: you know, he looks like he's got a lot of

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Speaker 4: bounce in his step. You know, like there's a whole

627
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Speaker 4: particular heights that are already having career years and they're.

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Speaker 2: Not slowing down.

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Speaker 4: But the reason I say Anthony manta is because he's

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Speaker 4: coming off of ACL surgery last year when he's a

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Speaker 4: member of the Calgary Flames, and that's hard. It usually

632
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 4: takes to you at least a full year, if not

633
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Speaker 4: a year and a half, to look any semblance of

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Speaker 4: it NHL player. And he looks like he has a

635
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 4: skipped to beat. He looked like he was a twenty

636
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 4: five goal scorer last year and he's just keeping on

637
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 4: this year. And so that's that's why I leaned into him.

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Speaker 4: And also I just feel like I see joy in

639
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 4: his face. I see joy in his game, and I

640
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 4: didn't see that when he was a member of some

641
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 4: of the other clubs he was with. I just thought

642
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 4: he was just out there a guy. And now he

643
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 4: seems to have a personality. I think he just feels

644
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Speaker 4: like his piece of the puzzle fits here at the

645
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 4: Pittsburgh Penguins.

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Speaker 1: Bourky, you had the unique perspective of playing on the

647
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Speaker 1: teams in the nineties. You had the unique perspective of

648
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Speaker 1: calling the teams. And the two thousands, the ones that

649
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: were just down are the twenty sixteen team, will do

650
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: the twenty seventeen team next year. I was making the

651
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: comment before he came on about how emotionally I connected

652
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Speaker 1: to hockey through you guys in the nineties, you guys

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Speaker 1: the late eighties, starting the late eighties, you were my

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Speaker 1: intro into hockey and how much I liked the sport. Now,

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Speaker 1: so I have like a deep emotional connection for that

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Speaker 1: team the era that we just talked about there though,

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Speaker 1: like that ten years from oh seven to seventeen.

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Speaker 2: There was even more winning done there.

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Speaker 1: There's an extra Cup, there was an extra trip to

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Speaker 1: the finals. How do you describe your memories of both

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Speaker 1: of those eras and how they were different and how

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Speaker 1: they were similar.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot more similarities than differences, I'd have to say.

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Speaker 4: I mean, obviously the game was different, more players were involved.

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Speaker 4: You know, we had to roll the four lines. You know,

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Speaker 4: your third line became paramount to win a cup. And

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Speaker 4: maybe in ninety one to ninety two we were more

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Speaker 4: star laden. The common denominator is outstanding goaltending. You know,

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Speaker 4: your star is winning you big games. But also you

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Speaker 4: know a bunch of third and fourth line guys, you know,

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Speaker 4: having the career of their life and having games of

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Speaker 4: their life and moments that they'll they'll never forget. They

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Speaker 4: never had in the past, and they never had when

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Speaker 4: they left. I'll also say that the common denominator was

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Speaker 4: a bunch of characters with character, big personalities. You know,

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Speaker 4: you hear a lot, and I'm just talking about hockey, tim,

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Speaker 4: I'm talking about every sports. You hear guys say I'll

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Speaker 4: do anything to win. Yeah, bahui, Yeah. You watch those

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Speaker 4: Stanley Cup videos. They literally would throw their face in

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Speaker 4: front of a shot. You get to a certain point

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Speaker 4: in the playoffs where you're as much as you're playing

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Speaker 4: for yourself and your family, you're playing for your brother

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Speaker 4: in that room. And that's what it becomes. It becomes

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Speaker 4: you know, I'm not getting cliche here a little bit,

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Speaker 4: but you do become a family. You become from friends,

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Speaker 4: you become brothers. You love each other, and you really

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Speaker 4: when you say I will do anything for you, you

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Speaker 4: really really mean it, and you go out and do it.

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Speaker 4: And when you collaboratively have you know, twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 4: whatever it takes. Sometimes thirty players come in during the

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Speaker 4: playoffs and all buy into that. It's a powerful thing,

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Speaker 4: especially when you've got special goaltenders and high end talent.

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Speaker 1: Porky, before we go, I had the unique call of

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Speaker 1: a game for Robert Morris this past weekend where a

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Speaker 1: guy for R and you picked up an assist by

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Speaker 1: headbutting the puck towards the goal got the primary assist

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Speaker 1: on a soccer style intentional headbut of the puck.

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Speaker 2: What is the strangest point that you picked up in

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Speaker 2: your career, be it goal or assist.

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Speaker 4: I've probably gon to go off my face before and

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Speaker 4: cut me open, you know, I will say, I remember,

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Speaker 4: you know Andy Brickley who now does the Boston Bruins. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: he was actually playing for the Bruins. We're in the

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Speaker 4: old Boston Garden. This didn't happen to me, but this

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Speaker 4: is one of the weirdest goals I ever witnessed live.

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Speaker 4: Andy Brickley was in the front of the net and

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Speaker 4: he took a Rayborg slap shot off his face, cut

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Speaker 4: him open for probably about thirty but the puck went

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Speaker 4: off his stace and in the net, you know. And

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Speaker 4: that's where like as an opponent, as you know, and

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Speaker 4: I know that brick played for both the Penguins and

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Speaker 4: the Bruins, but he played for the Bruins at the time.

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Speaker 4: That's me. It kind of you know, you kind of

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Speaker 4: get off the bench and you kind of tap your

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Speaker 4: stick on the boards and be like, wow, wait to go. Man,

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Speaker 4: you just took a Rayborg slapshot off your face and

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Speaker 4: it went in. So it wouldn't that have really sucked

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Speaker 4: if it didn't go in. But that was one of

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Speaker 4: the weirdness ones I've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: Well, you can't have We learned you cannot headbut the

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Speaker 1: puck into the net on purpose, but you can advance

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Speaker 1: it by headbutting it, as Connor Gorley did and then

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Speaker 1: Patrick Johnson was the kid who knocked it in.

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Speaker 2: But it was very definitely done Bork.

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Speaker 1: You have to show you the highlight on social media

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Speaker 1: tonight at the game.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I wouldn't be saying, you know, people

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Speaker 4: think I'm nuts, but I'm always looking a way to

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Speaker 4: create offense. You know, we we allowed hand passes in

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Speaker 4: the defensive zone. I don't know why we don't allow

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Speaker 4: hand passes, you know, all over the ice to create

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Speaker 4: more offense. If you're going to do it in the

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Speaker 4: defensive zone, let's do it all over the ice. Become

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Speaker 4: a become an art, you know, to be able to

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Speaker 4: hand pass the puck, maybe not maybe not through obviously

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Speaker 4: bat it into the goal. That that gets a little

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Speaker 4: bit too quirky. But I just I don't understand why

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Speaker 4: we can just do it in the defensive zone but

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Speaker 4: we can't do it all over the end.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, if you care to that rule, Sid

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Speaker 1: would be working on it to you know, pick up

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Speaker 1: another ten points per season between now and when he retires.

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Speaker 2: He'd master that craft before he retired.

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Speaker 4: I know, he's already got three sticks out there. The

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Speaker 4: two feet that he has act as a stick. Can

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Speaker 4: you imagine if he had two hands, two feet and

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Speaker 4: the stick, he'd probably get you know, one hundred and

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Speaker 4: eighty assists a year.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate it, Porky. Good catching up with you. This is

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Speaker 1: good hockey talk.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy the call tonight, Thanks Boal, enjoy our time together.

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Speaker 4: This was good hockey talk, Phil Burk.

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Speaker 1: checking out on Netflix. The nineteen eighty Miracle and Ice

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Speaker 1: documentary the latest one that they put together. It's definitely worthwhile,

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Speaker 1: sort of in advance of the Olympics. They're capitalizing on that.

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Speaker 1: Well done different footage, different angles, some of the radio

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Speaker 1: I found kind of interesting. You know, I'm a sucker

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Speaker 1: it's hallowed ground. I mean, you walk around Lake Placid

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Speaker 1: it is kind of cool after having been there for

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Speaker 1: seeing some of the shots they have of Lake Placid,

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Speaker 1: went there last April and just to see them walk

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Speaker 1: who were part of this documentary. Walking out from the

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Speaker 1: locker room out onto the ice, it's like, wow, you know,

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Speaker 1: you get that feeling, that sense of it if you've

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Speaker 1: can take that circle.

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Speaker 2: If you haven't been there, you got to go.

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Speaker 1: If you haven't watched the documentary and you're a fan

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Speaker 1: of hockey at all, if you're a fan of the

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty story, you got to check it out. It's

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Speaker 1: definitely worth your while. So that's on Netflix's good stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's about an hour and a half, two hours. Definitely

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Speaker 1: worth the viewing. A couple other things. I want to

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Speaker 1: get to responses more than anything else. Some email, some

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Speaker 1: tweets that came in a conversation about Mike McCarthy, and

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Speaker 1: this one comes from Charlie. I agree they should have

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Speaker 1: looked into those rams coaches. McCarthy is a MEH pick,

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Speaker 1: but the benefit of him being older is that he

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Speaker 1: won't be around as long as the other three. Change

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Speaker 1: is needed at times. Yeah, they're not going to get

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Speaker 1: nineteen years out of him, that's for sure. And you know,

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Speaker 1: if he gives you three or four good ones. He

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Speaker 1: does actually have a protege that he can hand it

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Speaker 1: over to great if they actually do progress. But my

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Speaker 1: biggest concern is they didn't really hire McCarthy to progress.

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Speaker 1: They brought him to maintain the status quo. And the

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Speaker 1: status quo isn't as good as they think that it is.

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Speaker 1: Michael says, I thought the hiring of McCarthy was a

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Speaker 1: terrible move. This team needs a major reset, and Patrick

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Speaker 1: Graham yikes. Actually, I was surprised at how into Patrick

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Speaker 1: Graham Matt Williamson was. He gave him two enthusiastic thumbs

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Speaker 1: up as a defensive coordinator. Higher he thinks he did

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Speaker 1: a lot with very little with the Raiders and things

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Speaker 1: that he do something very positive with the talent that

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Speaker 1: the Steelers have on defense, and seem to suggest that

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Speaker 1: as underwhelming as the Steelers defensive players were, the coaching

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Speaker 1: around them was even more underwhelming than that and didn't

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Speaker 1: put them in enough good positions to win. And he

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Speaker 1: thinks Patrick Graham might. I'm sort of initially with the

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Speaker 1: emailer here when I heard that, I felt underwhelmed, to

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Speaker 1: say the least. John says, already the second is forgotten it.

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Speaker 1: In the NFL, there is only one winner each year.

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Speaker 1: Everybody else is a loser. We've been losers since the

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Speaker 1: last Super Bowl win. Get a grip Art Well, I

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Speaker 1: think he has a sliding scale of what losing is,

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Speaker 1: and to him ten and seven and losing the playoffs

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Speaker 1: ten and eight. Overall, that's not losing. That's winning because

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Speaker 1: you have a winning record. And for Rooney right now,

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Speaker 1: that appears to be good enough, at least not to

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Speaker 1: the degree that he didn't want to roll the dice

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Speaker 1: and try to hit another home run higher like he

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Speaker 1: had the previous three times before he hired McCarthy. He

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Speaker 1: just wants to make sure that they don't dip to

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Speaker 1: becoming actual losers and have a losing season for the

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Speaker 1: first time since two thousand and three. And finally, Roberts says,

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Speaker 1: do you see any parallels between Art Runy the second,

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Speaker 1: Leon Hessen Mark Davis? Check out their quotes very similar.

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Speaker 1: Old out of touch owners with delusional aspirations about the

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Speaker 1: talent of their teams, and they hire retrage coaches. It's

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Speaker 1: the same old story. Well, look, I do think he

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Speaker 1: has delusions of how close they are to winning, But

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Speaker 1: then again, that might go back to what I just said.

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Speaker 1: It might not be about how close they are to winning.

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Speaker 1: It's more about his acceptable definition of what winning is.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the real difference, the definition of what

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Speaker 1: he views winning to be, which is literally a winning

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Speaker 1: record and in the playoffs and anything after that is gravy.

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Speaker 1: And that's no longer about the standard being the standard.

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Speaker 1: That's about lowering the standard to a very standard level

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Speaker 1: of Expectation's one, five, nine.

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