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Speaker 2: All right, welcome in. It's our number two since he

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Speaker 2: to it. From Fox nineteen, our good friend Joe Danaman

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Speaker 3: Hi, Joe, Tony, Tony Tony and Audie E. How about

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Speaker 3: the Burrow bomb man on Monday.

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Speaker 2: Unbelievable, Dana, Boy, unbelievable. That Yeah, that is where we start.

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow is back. Joe Burrow wants to play. He

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Speaker 2: circled Thanksgiving. Austin and I were just talking about it.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't surprise us if he tried to play against the

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Speaker 2: New England Patriots next week. All of that being said,

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Speaker 2: if they don't take care of business against the Pittsburgh Steelers,

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Speaker 2: should he be playing?

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Speaker 3: Boy, this is the best talk radio sports debate material

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Speaker 3: you can come up with. I think they've got a

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Speaker 3: two week window here to win one of these two

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Speaker 3: games for Joe Burrow to come back on Thanksgiving. I

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Speaker 3: don't think there's a scenario where he plays against the

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Speaker 3: Patriots and you can clip this and rewind it and

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Speaker 3: tell me I'm an idiot this time next week. But

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Speaker 3: for a guy right now who's just throwing routes on air,

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Speaker 3: is not doing the full practice, full go running, cutting, start, stop,

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Speaker 3: time believing in ten days you can start to game

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Speaker 3: plan for this guy to be your starting quarterback. In

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Speaker 3: what would be twelve days, So I think the New

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Speaker 3: England game is out, but again, tell me I'm wrong.

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Speaker 3: In twelve days, so that gives the Bengals two weeks

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Speaker 3: shot in the final six games. So that's the runway

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Speaker 3: for this team is to either upset Pittsburgh or beat

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Speaker 3: New England here in Cincinnati to get Joe Burrow back

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Speaker 3: on the field. And I think if they go zero

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Speaker 3: to two, my personal opinion is, don't play him if

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Speaker 2: You know, as someone who's there a lot, as someone

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Speaker 2: who's around this team, and I know bie weeks are

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Speaker 2: a little bit different. Was this something that was on

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Speaker 3: Yesterday as well, very much by surprise. I kind of

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Speaker 3: being the TV partners with the Bengals, the Bengals media

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Speaker 3: relations director came in and said, did you see the news?

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Speaker 3: And in my mind, the news went about ten different directions.

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Speaker 3: What could this be? I hadn't opened my email yet

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Speaker 3: to see the Bengals had released that Joe Burrow was

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Speaker 3: him make progress. Was it was the scooter, that it

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Speaker 3: But you know, it's a different thing from walking to

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Speaker 2: We had the conversation on the show yesterday about just

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Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting because now they do have a tangible

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Speaker 3: isn't for sure Joe's coming back on Thanksgiving. I think

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Speaker 3: Tangible goal number two for me is just establishing some

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Speaker 3: Because we've heard multiple times from people inside that room

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Speaker 4: Has there been any indication Joe about what could change

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Speaker 3: So yesterday was kind of hijacked by the Joe Burrow news,

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Speaker 3: So all the conversations we had inside the locker room

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Speaker 3: So those conversations I think will start to happen tomorrow

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Speaker 3: think it's an interesting question about what can change. Certainly,

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Speaker 2: We found out as well kind of got a little

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Speaker 2: the Bengals received anything higher than a fourth round pick

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Speaker 2: for Trey Hendrickson. Hearing those reports and knowing that there

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Speaker 2: you agree with now with that understanding the decision to

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Speaker 2: keep Trey Hendrickson and not move him for a fourth

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I don't think you can give

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Speaker 3: don't like to wave a white flag, especially midway through

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Speaker 3: to give up Trey Hendrickson would have felt like waving

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Speaker 3: I would argue, if they had Trey Hendrickson on the

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Speaker 3: this really hard five game stretch they have coming up,

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Speaker 3: the roster speaks to me about the understanding this franchise

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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow window being available perhaps on Thanksgiving and not

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Speaker 3: waving the white flag right now. Plus a fourth rounder

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Speaker 3: just isn't enough. He's worth more than that in any

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Speaker 3: based on the asset that Trey Hendrickson is giving him

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Speaker 3: just bad business.

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Speaker 2: The vibe, the feel around a team, obviously, you want

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Speaker 2: to be better than what the record shows at the buy.

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Speaker 2: But the jolt in the arm of Joe Burrow back

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, we'll see. I mean, certainly the jolt

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Speaker 3: Let's go Bengals now Newport on the levee tomorrow night,

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Speaker 2: kick off the third hour of today's show. We also

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Speaker 2: coming up and our number three but first year talkbacks.

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Speaker 7: Follow up yesterday, and I think I might have missed something.

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Speaker 7: Did anybody specifically ask Burrow if he thought the offense

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Speaker 7: was being run differently under Flacco and if he had any.

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Speaker 4: Thoughts on that.

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Speaker 2: I don't believe he was asked.

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Speaker 4: He was asked about Flacco and the offense Basically, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I don't know that he's been asked, like specifically about

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Speaker 4: the difference, but said he's, you know, enjoyed watching it

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Speaker 4: and learning from Flaco and all that. I also don't

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Speaker 4: think there's a huge difference in how the offense has

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Speaker 4: been run other than as you mentioned earlier, maybe a

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Speaker 4: little bit more of that under center play action.

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Speaker 8: Tony.

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Speaker 5: It was nice meeting you, your wife and your sister

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Speaker 5: the other day when I hardfired Tony Bike all of

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Speaker 5: our heartstead break, but then they hired Tony back correcting

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Speaker 5: their mistake. Jeff Query, Darnay, Scott, Carl Pickens, he Rose,

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Speaker 5: Peter Barnes, David Klanler, Kevin Case, von Harna Harn.

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Speaker 4: David Clear, and Kevin Katese morn.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I respected Kevin Case for Harn reference many.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: You you got to meet multi Personality Mike. What was

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Speaker 4: that like?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? It was awesome. My uh, my sister really for

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Speaker 2: the first time since we had my nephew's benefit, was

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Speaker 2: able to get my mom and dad to watch Roman

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Speaker 2: for a hours. We went to Tony's here in Cincinnati,

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Speaker 2: and as I was sitting down, a gentleman from a

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Speaker 2: table over gets up comes across and introduces himself as

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Speaker 2: Multi Personality Mike there with his family having a birthday dinner.

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Speaker 2: Wow was it his birthday? Was his birthday?

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Speaker 5: Wow?

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Speaker 4: Congratulations out congratulations but happy birds on the birthday. Congrats

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Speaker 4: on another year around the sun.

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Speaker 2: Very cool.

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Speaker 7: Veterans Day twenty twenty five to all of.

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Speaker 4: Our veterans and current service members.

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Speaker 7: Thank you, It is not enough.

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Speaker 4: We love you all, USA and Melissa.

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Speaker 9: What do you think God bless America?

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Speaker 4: All right, Melissa, welcome, Happy Veterans Day, everybody.

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Speaker 3: Shout out to all our veterans. We appreciate you so much.

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Speaker 10: Boys, in the orange and blue on them around two,

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Speaker 10: go win the whole thing.

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Speaker 7: The city desperately needs a championship borrowed back in practice.

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Speaker 7: That's pretty cool.

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Speaker 4: I still wasn't risk him.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't play him.

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Speaker 7: I know I sound like the grist, But if it

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Speaker 7: gets hard again this year and he's out for even

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Speaker 7: longer next year, I don't know they'll be playing for

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Speaker 7: anything either, But I know Joe's a competitor, So take

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Speaker 7: care of our body and Veterans Day on.

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Speaker 2: I could not imagine if Burrow comes back and gets

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Speaker 2: hurt with an injury that would put him out some

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Speaker 2: of next year. I mean things would would.

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Speaker 11: Jeff just wanted to wish everybody a happy Veterans Day,

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Speaker 11: especially those that have served our country. I am a

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Speaker 11: veteran as well, so definitely wants to make sure that

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Speaker 11: we get the word out. Take care of each other,

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Speaker 11: call people, check on them. Very important. As far as

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Speaker 11: the bear Cats go tonight, looking at a five point win,

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Speaker 11: we'll go eighty three seventy eight Go Cats.

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Speaker 2: That would not be a cover for the bear Cats

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Speaker 2: at five and a half.

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Speaker 8: That's going on there, pod Dresser, and I'm leaving a

518
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Speaker 8: talkbacker calling. I'm busy anyway, how'd you want a vacation?

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Speaker 8: I want to go, But I went down Florida and

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Speaker 8: decorat Deck. I know that's your favorite hangout. Oh my god,

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Speaker 8: I heard you went down to the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 8: Hopefully the wife and kids had a good time. You

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Speaker 8: got a bunch of pictures taking.

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Speaker 12: Thank you an Hey, Hey, Austin Hey, Tony branded from Indy.

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Speaker 12: I hope you guys enjoyed my top backs. But anyway,

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Speaker 12: as far as Lebron James is concerned, I could care less.

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Speaker 12: I mean, I think it's time for him to retire.

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Speaker 12: I don't wish nothing bad on him, but I could

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Speaker 12: just care less. As far as the Bengals are concerned,

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Speaker 12: I'm thinking about picking them over.

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Speaker 4: The Steelers this week.

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Speaker 2: I think they might have a shot, believe it or not.

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Speaker 12: As far as Brian Kelly's concerned, well that's what happens

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Speaker 12: when you sign these big, huge contracts.

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Speaker 4: But I know they're not happy with.

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Speaker 2: Him, so they might as well.

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Speaker 4: Kay take them for every dime, Brian Kelly.

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Speaker 13: All little shout out to Cade, Countingham and the pisss

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Speaker 13: Xavier batter Luck. Next time, I'll tell you the last

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Speaker 13: two Bengals losses. Just crushing, man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just oh.

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Speaker 13: Bad for my blood pressures. Like I said, shout out

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Speaker 13: to miuncle Clarence, Vietnam war veteran, just all around great person.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely shout out to Clarence. Also, let me ask you

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Speaker 2: one thing about Kate cutting I was okay, I was

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Speaker 2: gonna say, we didn't get to this at the first

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Speaker 2: se So you look at the box scores, like, man,

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Speaker 2: Kate Cuttingham, he had a night last night. He had

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Speaker 2: forty six points. Yeah, he shot forty five times forty

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Speaker 2: five field goals. It was fourteen of forty five. He

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Speaker 2: played forty five minutes, so he got one shot per minute,

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Speaker 2: forty five shot attempts to get forty six points. Is

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Speaker 2: that impressive?

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Speaker 4: Not entirely. I mean they did play an overtime, so

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Speaker 4: that had a role. That's fully five shots forty five.

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Speaker 4: It's like Kobe shot the ball fifty times to get

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Speaker 4: sixty in his final game.

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Speaker 14: Yep.

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Speaker 2: But you knew why that was.

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Speaker 4: You knew why, Yeah, exactly, there was a reason for that.

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Speaker 15: I don't know if now it's always flexing, repping the

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Speaker 15: city and catch strutting out here in Sonny Hotting's on it.

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Speaker 10: What up?

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Speaker 15: Tony Dayton is going down tonight? You guys are going down.

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Speaker 15: We're about to beat them. Brings off you boys by

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Speaker 15: twenty I'm already predicting it. Santa Claire Standarde. Wow, Xavier,

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Speaker 15: you got dog walk? Don't worry well? You see about

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Speaker 15: to do you guys who put that leaset on you

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Speaker 15: walking around Norwood?

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Speaker 4: We'll sew you how a real dog walk looks.

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Speaker 15: You see bout thirty over Zavia coming soon the return

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Speaker 15: of JB nine optimistic. Let's go offense, Let's get this win.

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, now I'm nervous. That's already starting between you

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Speaker 2: see and Xavier. That makes me nervous.

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Speaker 16: Hey Austin, Hey Tony al from cleves here.

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to give you something.

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Speaker 16: A veteran who active duty, discharged, retired, or reserved is

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Speaker 16: someone who, at one point in his or her life

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Speaker 16: wrote a blank check made payable to the United States

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Speaker 16: of America for an amount up to and including their life.

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Speaker 16: That is an honor. There are way too many people

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Speaker 16: in this country who no longer understand that fact. I

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Speaker 16: want to say, happy veterans stay to all the present,

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Speaker 16: past and future veterans.

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Speaker 2: Thank you well said, yeah, I'm one hundred percent with

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Speaker 2: Tony on this.

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Speaker 17: To act like are insinuate this team is close to

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Speaker 17: winning anything or going to the playoffs this year is

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Speaker 17: insane and full harden. They're about to miss the playoffs

590
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Speaker 17: for the third year in a row. They've only won

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Speaker 17: a playoff game in five seasons out of fifty eight seasons.

592
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Speaker 17: They've never won a Super Bowl, only nine playoff wins

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Speaker 17: in their entire history. And you want to talk about

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Speaker 17: a standard, you know standard here and then to think

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Speaker 17: that they're all of a suddenly going to get.

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Speaker 2: It right is like following a rainbow and trying to

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Speaker 2: find a pot of gold. It's ain't a sci fi movie.

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Speaker 2: I'd try to I'd go for a pot of gold

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Speaker 2: right now.

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Speaker 6: I'm going to pull a mic here and say, very

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Speaker 6: well done, reasonable, calm, well thought out discussion on the

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Speaker 6: future of the Bengals, living up to the promise you

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Speaker 6: showed when you were an hour long show at noon

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Speaker 6: that we would get that kind of thing that we

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Speaker 6: weren't getting from the national shows.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, Okay, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Mike is still mad at me. I don't know if

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Speaker 4: he listens to our show. But obviously, with him being

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Speaker 4: veteran's day, we think of our guy Mike. But yeah, Mike,

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Speaker 4: Mike is still mad at me. He hasn't called the

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Speaker 4: show in a couple of weeks, just because I gave

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Speaker 4: a little bit of criticism to him. He called in

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Speaker 4: and told me to kiss his butt and hung up.

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Speaker 4: But I miss you, Mike. Hope you're doing okay. You're

615
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Speaker 4: still welcome to call.

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Speaker 17: And also you can get mad and say, you know,

617
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Speaker 17: say I'm negative and say something smart, which I'm sure

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Speaker 17: you will, but it's the truth and you know it.

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Speaker 17: And it's dialogue like that that creates the insanely goofy

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Speaker 17: fans we have in the city with realistic hopes. Until

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Speaker 17: they get new ownership or new people that are competent

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Speaker 17: at their job, this is what the fate of the

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Speaker 17: Bengals will be. There is no standard.

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Speaker 4: Well, you get to choose what your standard is like.

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Speaker 4: There are some people who their standard is very low.

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Speaker 4: They will support the Bengals no matter what. They'll put

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Speaker 4: on their Bengals jerseys, They'll go to every single game

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Speaker 4: and they'll just have fun doing it. There are others

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Speaker 4: like you, who have it at a very very high standard.

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Speaker 4: And your standard is people being removed from their job

631
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Speaker 4: or ownership moving on from the team. That's your standard.

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Speaker 4: Everybody has a different standard for what they hold their

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Speaker 4: team to. I will say this like, I get where

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Speaker 4: you're coming from, and you have every right to be jaded. However,

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Speaker 4: I don't think, like I've said multiple times, this team

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Speaker 4: and the defense specifically doesn't have to go from number

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Speaker 4: thirty two to number one for them to be good.

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Speaker 4: But we said that last year. I know, and that's

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Speaker 4: that's totally fair. They didn't do enough, and they kind

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Speaker 4: of told us reading between the lines last year that

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Speaker 4: they thought they got unlucky. Well, this year you find

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Speaker 4: out it's not a lack of luck, it's a lack

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Speaker 4: of talent. How do you adjust? Then it's and again

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Speaker 4: my goal is to go as far if I'm the defense,

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Speaker 4: and I don't think it's out of the realm of

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Speaker 4: possibility to say, or if I'm Duke Tobin, can we

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Speaker 4: go from thirty second to twenty second? It's on defense.

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Speaker 2: It's I think one of the hardest things that I

649
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Speaker 2: think about this job is being a die hard loyal

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Speaker 2: fan of a team. And wanting them to succeed and

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Speaker 2: wanting to believe that, but also trying to find the

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Speaker 2: reality that it's been. I think that's hard to cross

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Speaker 2: sometimes because I'm a huge fan of the Bengals and

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Speaker 2: I want them to win a Super Bowl, but you

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00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,719
Speaker 2: also have to have the reality of what it's been.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a hard line at time.

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Speaker 4: And it's also you know, I have to understand from

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Speaker 4: our perspective, we can't get up here and shout and

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Speaker 4: scream and yell at ownership. We just can't. It's not

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Speaker 4: something that we're able to do, and that, you know,

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Speaker 4: affects the conversations that we have as well. You know,

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Speaker 4: somebody said to me both about life here at this

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Speaker 4: company and sports as well, as you can't care more

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Speaker 4: than your bosses do, you can't care more than the

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Speaker 4: people above you do. And that can be debated, but

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Speaker 4: there are times where as a Bengals fan, it feels

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00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 4: like the fans care more than the people running the

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Speaker 4: team do, including Duke Tobin, and that's a difficult reality

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Speaker 4: to deal with. If that's something you agree with, I

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Speaker 4: don't know that I necessarily agree with it, but that

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Speaker 4: is something that Bengals fans have felt over the years,

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Speaker 4: and how you manage that as a fan is difficult, Like,

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Speaker 4: how do you how do you justify watching or listening

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Speaker 4: or tuning into this show or buying a Bengals jersey

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Speaker 4: for Christmas? If it feels like you care more than

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00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 4: they do. That is and again, the Bengals have been

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Speaker 4: met with opportunity after opportunity after opportunity to change that narrative.

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Speaker 4: At times it feels like they have. At times it

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Speaker 4: feels like they haven't. This is another crossroads I think

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Speaker 4: for this franchise.

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Speaker 14: Wonderful news about Joe Burrow. Good for him, kudos man

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Speaker 14: for being a quick healer, dedicated to his job.

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Speaker 4: But listen, man, the.

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Speaker 2: Bengals don't need you right now.

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Speaker 14: Joe Flacco has been balling out, the defense sucks, get

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Speaker 14: a couple stops.

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Speaker 4: And they've won these games. Sure, dude, don't do something stupid.

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Speaker 3: It's the Lord, the Lord to start.

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Speaker 5: They just cut the Bengals white jerseys, the Bengals black jersey,

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Speaker 5: or the Bengals orange jerseys.

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Speaker 2: I'll start the black. I always like the black look.

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Speaker 14: I will.

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Speaker 2: I'll bench the white, and I'll cut the orange.

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Speaker 4: I start the Orange, I benched the white, I cut

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Speaker 4: the black. Yeah.

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Speaker 17: I'm one hundred percent with Tony on this one. To

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Speaker 17: thank for insinuated this team is anywhere close to winning

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Speaker 17: anything in the near future or he already left that

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Speaker 17: talk back.

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Speaker 14: To Sorry for the overreaction on the Joe Burrow bomb,

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Speaker 14: but man, just don't want this guy aggravating and already

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Speaker 14: aggravating injury.

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Speaker 2: Get well soon. Yeah, I mean, I think there's an

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Speaker 2: abundance of comps caution you have to operate with when

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Speaker 2: you have an injury like Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 10: Happy Veterans Day to all my fellow Ken, especially Mike

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Speaker 10: in La Vietnam veteran and my Wildcats are going to

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Speaker 10: stop loser. Uh go big Blue.

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Speaker 2: Let him know Ken where yacht Louisville. Where Yacht Louisville.

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Speaker 4: Hello, this is James from unincorporated at Butler County, Austin.

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Speaker 6: I mean, the whole.

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Speaker 11: ESPN radio community across the country knows of your attitude.

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Speaker 4: You're You're spiteful and mean.

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Speaker 17: You're not very friendly when someone asks you how you're

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Speaker 17: doing or what you're doing as a means of a greeting.

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Speaker 4: You're short and snippy with them, So you need to

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Speaker 4: improve that.

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Speaker 8: And h Mike.

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Speaker 4: Mike's a good man and you shouldn't have said that.

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Speaker 4: I didn't say anything mean to Mike at all. I

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Speaker 4: said it wasn't Mike's best call, and then he called

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Speaker 4: and said, kiss my butt.

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Speaker 9: Good afternoon, boys, Danny from Dell High. I can't take

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Speaker 9: credit for this. I've seen it on the old Twitter

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Speaker 9: machine a couple of days ago, but I think it's

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Speaker 9: probably the hardest Bengals version I've ever seen. Start, Bench,

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Speaker 9: cut Jamar, Chase, don't do this, Chad John.

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Speaker 4: I start Jamar. I benched Chad I cut Aj I

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Speaker 4: do too. And the reason Jamar gets the start is

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Speaker 4: that he's the perfect mix of the other two. And

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Speaker 4: Chad at his peak was the best receiver in football.

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Speaker 4: I mean four years in a row leading the AFC

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Speaker 4: and receiving yards. Best feat ever buy a wide receiver. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Jamar is the best receiver it's ever played for the

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Speaker 4: Bengals already thoughts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's at my top. Okay, that was our last one.

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Speaker 2: I'd start him over anybody. Let's take a break, let's

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Speaker 2: come back.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of amazing, this series of life.

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Speaker 17: That we're in.

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Speaker 2: Can we share the jingle that you got today? Yes?

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Speaker 2: Can we use that as our football in the Nattie?

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Speaker 4: We sure can. Austin was was sent a jingle woman

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Speaker 4: by the name of Sammy Riggs. Sammy, who is a

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Speaker 4: singer songwriter, put together a Bengals parody song and she

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Speaker 4: emailed it to me this morning and it's lovely. Shout

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Speaker 4: out to Sammy, So we're gonna play it next. We're

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Speaker 4: gonna play that next.

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Speaker 2: On ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station thanks to CINTI shirts.

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Speaker 1: Jamar Chase plays here on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official

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Speaker 1: home of the Cincinnati Bank. Natty Blunts you in part

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Speaker 1: by bud Light and by Oakley Greens on ESPN fifteen

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Speaker 1: point thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 2: Football in the NATI. Shout out to bud Light. Shout

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Speaker 2: out to Oakley Greens as well. We thank them for

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Speaker 2: everything that they do here for us. Listeners are such

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Speaker 2: a big part of this show, Austin. At anytime we

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Speaker 2: can get a listener or someone that goes out of

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Speaker 2: their way to create something and then ask us to

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Speaker 2: share it. Most times we oblige. Can we get to

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Speaker 2: the parody song we Can. This is from Sammy Riggs

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Speaker 2: and you can. It's spelled s A M I Rigs

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Speaker 2: ri I g g S And she's on Facebook and

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Speaker 2: she makes these parody accounts. I'm sure she's on other

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Speaker 2: social medias as well, but she uh sent this to

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Speaker 2: me yesterday. And this is about Joe Burrow returning to

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Speaker 2: practice for the Bengals.

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Speaker 18: He walked in through the revolving door, Lovenning, is you

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Speaker 18: of fun?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Oh, where'd it go?

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Speaker 4: You didn't believe.

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Speaker 18: Calls now do you? It is roys fixed fu convinced

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Speaker 18: healing crystal commn to the events, but thank giving.

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Speaker 4: We could say day too, you.

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Speaker 2: Day Ahi Sammy Wow.

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Speaker 4: I mean that's incredible stuff right there. Well, we'll play

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Speaker 4: it again. But she wrote the line there about the crystals. Now,

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00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow said he he doesn't know if the crystals

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Speaker 4: helped him, but you never really know. It can't hurt,

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00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 4: and he of course posted pictures of his crystals on

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Speaker 4: his Instagram story. How funny would it be if Bengals

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Speaker 4: players report to practice today, or they report to the

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Speaker 4: locker room today or tomorrow, and in each defensive player's

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Speaker 4: lockers crystal courtesy of Joe Burrow. Hey, maybe you guys

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Speaker 4: can turn this around one more time. Sammy Riggs walked

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Speaker 4: into the wolving door.

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Speaker 18: Lovenney is uniform. You didn't believe in the recalls.

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Speaker 14: Now to you.

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Speaker 18: It is choice, fixed and un convinced, a healing crystal

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Speaker 18: command to the events.

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Speaker 4: But Thanksgiving we could say who day to you?

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Speaker 7: Who Day?

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Speaker 9: Who woo.

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Speaker 14: Woo?

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Speaker 2: Bye Thanksgiving we could say who Day to you?

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Speaker 4: So well done, Sammy, incredible and listen, I'm not opposed

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Speaker 4: to perhaps prayer being a part of the Bengals turnaround.

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Speaker 2: Prayer, crystals, divine intervention opened all of it. We're in

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Speaker 2: this together every if if if the Bengals win, we

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Speaker 2: all win. Bengals eat, we all eat.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So, if it's crystals, if it's divine intervention, if it's

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Speaker 2: a sweet melody, whatever works, we're involved. We're in for Sammy.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. That was well done. Yes, that was awesome.

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Speaker 2: Are we taking one more break? We are one more break.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to.

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Speaker 4: Our to tell you a little bit more information about Sunday.

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Speaker 2: And then Scott Saderfield to join us or he wasn't

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Speaker 2: going to He's not going to join us, So I

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Speaker 2: can call him see if if he answers, but we'll

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Speaker 2: play Scott's Saderfield's weekly press conference coaching our number three

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Speaker 2: on ESPN fifteen.

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Speaker 4: What's he doing today?

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Speaker 2: The sports? He's not tweeting.

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Speaker 14: You?

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Speaker 1: Listening to football in the NATI on ESPN fifteen thirty,

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Speaker 2: Welcome back since E three to sixty thanks to Cinci shirts.

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Speaker 2: On ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station. You said a

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Speaker 2: quick detail about Sunday. Yeah, we get the Scott's out

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Speaker 2: of field, Tony.

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Speaker 4: The Bengals have announced their uniform combination for Sunday in

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Speaker 4: Pittsburgh and they're going to bring out them orange britches again. Okay,

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Speaker 4: the orange pants making their return. Bengals going orange helmet,

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Speaker 4: white jersey. See orange pants with the white socks You

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Speaker 4: might remember they wore this combination in the season finale

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Speaker 4: last year at Pittsburgh. That was a game the move

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Speaker 4: to a Saturday night and Trey Henderson went nuclear in

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Speaker 4: that game. Bengals won it to finish nine and eight.

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Speaker 4: They obviously missed the playoffs the next day. But white pants,

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Speaker 4: excuse me, white jersey orange pants for the Bengals on

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Speaker 4: Sunday in Pittsburgh. As we mentioned earlier, Notre Dame and

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Speaker 4: pitt play on that field on Saturday. Forecast is fine

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Speaker 4: for that game, but it's gonna be moist on Sunday.

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00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 4: Could be a messy game with questionable field conditions at

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Speaker 4: Akroscher Stadium in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: I could think of no better way to finish the

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Speaker 2: second hour of the show. Let's move on to the

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Speaker 2: third when we get back Scott Saderfield's weekly press conference.

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Speaker 2: He's back. The bearcatch are back a big one on

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Speaker 2: a Saturday at noon at historic Knippert Stadium. You'll hear

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Speaker 2: what Scott Saderfield had to say earlier today. Next on

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty, an Eddie Sports station man Trouble in

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Speaker 2: the