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Speaker 1: All right, back at it we go at Home with

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Speaker 1: Gary Salvin twelve thirty five. It is, and as promised,

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Speaker 1: we'd have Beth Johnson. She is the executive director of

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati Preservation, and Beth welcome for the first time nat

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Speaker 1: Home with Gary Salvin. How you doing good?

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: You're quite welcome. Of course, for thirty nine years we've

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Speaker 1: sat here and talked about homes. We've talked about running

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Speaker 1: around the home. And you are the executive director of

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati Preservation, which has a lot to do with homes.

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Speaker 1: Can you kind of tell us a little bit about

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Speaker 1: Cincinnai Preservation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have a lot to do with old homes.

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Speaker 2: So Cincinnati Preservation is the Greater Cincinnati is nonprofit that's

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Speaker 2: focused and recognized as the resource and champion for the

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Speaker 2: historic preservation, reuse of old buildings, and basically celebration and

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Speaker 2: acknowledgment of the importance of our historic and cultural resources.

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Speaker 1: There's there's boy, you just said a lot. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: I remember when we chatted this past week, you said

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Speaker 1: we're an education resource. So let's just start there because

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Speaker 1: I guess I am an education resource also, and I

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Speaker 1: lot more than I know because we get we have

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Speaker 1: you know, we do a national show for the first

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Speaker 1: three hours on Saturday, and we get a lot of

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Speaker 1: calls from even New England where there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: Northern Kentucky. Now you do Northern Kentucky too, correct, we do?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So we are the Greater Cincinnati region, So we're

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Speaker 2: basically Hamilton County and then all of the counties in Ohio,

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Speaker 2: northern Kentucky and a little bit of Indiana that's Hamilton County.

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Speaker 1: Now there's also historic designations. Tell me how you educate

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Speaker 1: people on what historic designations? And I mean there's different

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Speaker 1: ways you have to do things. Do you help people

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So there's basically two different types of designations. There's

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Speaker 2: then there's also local designation and that's where you get

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Speaker 2: into what you can and cannot do with the basically

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Speaker 2: the look and aesthetics of the exterior of your property only.

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Speaker 2: And so there's local preservation offices in a lot of

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Speaker 2: a permit, a special permit to make changes to your house.

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Speaker 2: And we recognize that there are you know, there's special

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Speaker 2: that's where we really come in to help provide education

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Speaker 2: on and how you treat those materials or if you

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Speaker 2: need to replace it where you can find them excellent.

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Speaker 1: So, so how do you educate people about that? Do

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Speaker 2: A little bit of all of it. So definitely people

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Speaker 2: if they have questions. We call that technical preservation questions

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Speaker 1: Well, I got to get some of those guys on,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, now it's and it really does. It will

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Speaker 2: Every single part of that when was meant was meant

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I even remember it's probably twenty five thirty years ago.

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Speaker 2: the stecks that were needed. But pretty much all the

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty lucky.

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Speaker 2: I've got. I've been in the been in the preservation

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Speaker 2: I've been with Cincinnati Preservation about three and a half.

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Speaker 2: But all of those jobs have let me go into

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. There was a guest I had, a

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Speaker 2: Now. There's always something to do to do. Even once

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Speaker 1: Even things like you know, there's a lot of stone

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly. Any volunteers needed in your organization.

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Speaker 2: Always, we always love having people volunteer. So we you know,

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Speaker 1: Website and a website again.

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Speaker 2: Is www dot Cincinnati Preservation dot.

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Speaker 1: Org dot org. All right, Beth, thanks so much for

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Speaker 2: Thanks for the work you do, so thank you and

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: Cincinni Preservation and interesting. I bet we scratched the surface.

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Speaker 1: I know, literally. Uh, there's a lot more to learn

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Speaker 1: magnifying glass just put in at Home with Gary Salvan

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Speaker 1: so Beth Johnson. We certainly appreciate your time today. All right,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for your efforts today. Yes, it

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