Speaker 1: How do you, well, wa new warning, Iran and its
Speaker 1: proxies are very likely planning attacks on the United States,
Speaker 1: not hardcore terrorist attacks as we saw in nine to eleven,
Speaker 1: and I mean that's all possibility. Look what happened in Austin, Texas,
Speaker 1: which was more like a lone wolf, crazy dude, but
Speaker 1: still again that's terrorism. I'm talking about cyber attacks. Are
Speaker 1: you prepared, as Willie would say, for attacks on American soil?
Speaker 1: Found the killing of Kamene? So what does that look
Speaker 1: like for you? We hear about these large scale tax
Speaker 1: all the time. Maybe I don't know, you can't shop
Speaker 1: on Amazon, maybe your Twitter feed goes down for a
Speaker 1: little bit. What actually would happen and what might happen?
Speaker 1: Chris naiheis of Vigilant Cybersecurity in Cincinnati. He's the CEO
Speaker 1: again to talk about it, and this is probably the
Speaker 1: main concern, which would be cyber So are you at
Speaker 1: def Con one right now? How deep? How high a
Speaker 1: level of deaf con are you right now?
Speaker 2: Chris?
Speaker 3: Like a deaf Con two too, you know, but you
Speaker 3: gotta have awareness, you know, ultimately you don't want to
Speaker 3: ever operate in dufton one, even in your regular, everyday
Speaker 3: lives because your brain just gets tired to that and
Speaker 3: you just degrade over time. So sure, you want to
Speaker 3: be in heightened state awareness. And that's where we are
Speaker 3: right now, just watching, watching everything. You know, you're always
Speaker 3: watching intently anyway, just because you never know when someone's
Speaker 3: going to try to creatively do something here in the
Speaker 3: United States. But you know now it's it's just being
Speaker 3: aware that you know more likely there's an imminent threat
Speaker 3: that's happening.
Speaker 1: We've often talked about a cyber nine to eleven coming
Speaker 1: we saw now with AI and other sentence beings. Is
Speaker 1: that we have faced crisses before, but we always talk
Speaker 1: about like the big one, whether it's an earthquake, whether
Speaker 1: it's a terrorist a physical terroist attack.
Speaker 2: This would be more digital one.
Speaker 1: Is that more likely now with this or less likely
Speaker 1: because well we're on guard more on guard?
Speaker 3: I guess yeah, So I think I think with this one,
Speaker 3: when you look at you know, the big one, right
Speaker 3: that would be coming from more of like a nation
Speaker 3: state like China or Russia. They're not really going to
Speaker 3: do those things unless they just decide day to just
Speaker 3: make a consorted effort to just take out the United
Speaker 3: the entire United States, because it would be a direct,
Speaker 3: active war and it's very coordinated. It would take multi
Speaker 3: nations to do it in this case, at least right
Speaker 3: now anyway, because it's all about time and positioning. You know,
Speaker 3: I don't the the adversaries from like you know that
Speaker 3: that you know, Iran, et cetera. They do have the
Speaker 3: you know, when you look at Iran or Hamas or
Speaker 3: or the Taliban, et cetera, they have the technological ability
Speaker 3: to do these same types of attacks. It doesn't take
Speaker 3: long to do it. You can learn on YouTube. But
Speaker 3: on top of that, Iran was funding the development of
Speaker 3: very intense, very good tools in Iran use those. What
Speaker 3: they were doing though, is giving those the terrorist organizations
Speaker 3: and training them up. And so whereas Russia, where China
Speaker 3: has had a lot longer to position themselves in our
Speaker 3: water systems and things like that, just like beauded to them,
Speaker 3: uh and and put hooks in there.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: These you know, Ran and these terrorist organizations haven't had
Speaker 3: that same length of time. But they but guaranteed from
Speaker 3: a you know, quote unquote cyber sleeper self standpoint, they've
Speaker 3: embedded themselves in certain places that are considered them strategic
Speaker 3: and you know, we're we're at war and I think
Speaker 3: in the United States a lot we think the war's
Speaker 3: over there, and generally that does happen, but cyber enables
Speaker 3: the war to come here really quickly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes sense.
Speaker 1: So Iranian process, give me a sense of things that
Speaker 1: may have happened in a layman's terms, that Iran or
Speaker 1: their proxies have done to us in the past. What
Speaker 1: type of cyber attacks have we seen.
Speaker 4: That we know?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 3: So the and that's the that's the hard part, right
Speaker 3: is attribution knowing that they're the ones that have actually
Speaker 3: done this. We've had more military type approaches or hats
Speaker 3: in t get data, uh, defense defense type approach where
Speaker 3: they've packed into defense organizations. There's not there has not
Speaker 3: been a attributed you know, critical infrastructure takedown in the
Speaker 3: United States by Iran, and I think that was intentional
Speaker 3: because they knew if we attributed that back to them,
Speaker 3: we would just have destroyed them. But see, the thing
Speaker 3: that's happened now is you know, just like you know,
Speaker 3: President Trump said yesterday, if he's assassinated, he has instructions
Speaker 3: for us to annihilate. You know, ran the same thing
Speaker 3: happens there, you know, if you know for them, you know,
Speaker 3: if the Iopola was taken out, guaranteed there's instructions to
Speaker 3: sleep or cells to do certain things, you know, after
Speaker 3: he's gone. And so that's the part that you have
Speaker 3: to be aware of now, is that there would be
Speaker 3: instructions already in play, whereas it wouldn't have been there
Speaker 3: before because they wouldn't wanted to do it because we
Speaker 3: weren't at war, right, And that's the thing we just
Speaker 3: need to be aware.
Speaker 1: We know Iran uses fake hacker groups as a front
Speaker 1: so they can attack people that officially taking credit kind
Speaker 1: of mentioned that but can't then Russia, China or pretty
Speaker 1: much any other nation state do that to us to
Speaker 1: try and make it look like it's Iran and not
Speaker 1: them and use this as an opportunity.
Speaker 2: Is that going to happen?
Speaker 3: They absolutely can. And that's why I was going back
Speaker 3: to attribution. It's really easy to make you look like
Speaker 3: someone else, right, I mean, anybody. That's why we all
Speaker 3: have VPNs. Right, we jump on a VPN, we can
Speaker 3: make it look like we're coming from Arizona, or we
Speaker 3: can make it look like we're coming from Poland, right,
Speaker 3: And so you know, there's when you get into a
Speaker 3: very high level advanced attackers, they're not just doing a VPN,
Speaker 3: they're going through a VPN dark web, a system they
Speaker 3: hacked in another country back to another one, and they've
Speaker 3: got multiple layers deep, and so yeah, they absolutely can. Now,
Speaker 3: one of the things that you find with tracking hackers
Speaker 3: is at the end of the day, there's still the
Speaker 3: poining code, and so a lot of times you can
Speaker 3: look into that code and you can see the way
Speaker 3: that someone writes or maybe they miss spell something the
Speaker 3: same time in the same way, or they write the
Speaker 3: same uh you know, uh, you know, the same type
Speaker 3: of code, and when that happens, then you can say, okay,
Speaker 3: well I know it's that person. But but still even
Speaker 3: if they I you can you know, Russia could say
Speaker 3: give me an Iranian uh you know of malware and
Speaker 3: then just duplicate it and make it look like you Ran.
Speaker 3: So yeah, we have to be really careful in the response. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So when we talk about Ran retelling a cybertext, what
Speaker 1: does that actually mean for an ordinary American? Are we
Speaker 1: talking about you know, your phone and your network going dark,
Speaker 1: your bank account getting drained, the light's going out, what happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think all of those are on the table.
Speaker 3: When you look at again, just just deposing them against
Speaker 3: a Russia or a China, they're going to be less
Speaker 3: apt to do attacks against the United States, right, just
Speaker 3: like where lesser thing to do it. So then when
Speaker 3: you and and the reason for that is because we
Speaker 3: operate under rules primarily. And one thing that you know
Speaker 3: I talked about before, there's a book called Unrestricted Warfare
Speaker 3: that came out of the PLA and a couple of
Speaker 3: generals wrote it, and what they said was the only
Speaker 3: way to take out the United States is to operate
Speaker 3: on a different rules than they do. And what they
Speaker 3: realized is that the United States, in any real, big,
Speaker 3: large nation has to operate off of some rules, and
Speaker 3: those rules wrap around what you would do to people
Speaker 3: or what you would do to infrastructure, because mass outages
Speaker 3: can cause you know, significant widespread issues and even enough
Speaker 3: to people start and invest and things like that. So
Speaker 3: when you look at Iran, where you look at a
Speaker 3: terrorist organization, they don't have rules, right, and so it's
Speaker 3: a very unrestricted warfare, and we're really not playing on
Speaker 3: the same level playing field. That's why you know, when
Speaker 3: you look at why can navy fields do the things
Speaker 3: navy fields do, is because they operate differently than a
Speaker 3: larger know, a lot of larger army does, sure, and
Speaker 3: so the same thing here. They're they're smaller groups, they're
Speaker 3: more targeted. They can get into into into places that
Speaker 3: others can't. And and so when it comes to what
Speaker 3: should we be worried about, I don't. I wouldn't say
Speaker 3: be worried, but I would say be prepared that you know,
Speaker 3: you could lose. They could take out a water system
Speaker 3: for for two weeks, they could take power down for
Speaker 3: four and and I would prepare for this, not running
Speaker 3: to the stores and grabbing tons of you all the
Speaker 3: bread off the shelves, but I would over time, as
Speaker 3: as just in your family, just have some extra food
Speaker 3: that would last maybe a week or two, has some
Speaker 3: extra water, because it's it's eminent something's going to happen
Speaker 3: down the road that will take out for services here.
Speaker 2: Well, well in Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: All they have to do is somehow is create the
Speaker 1: illusion that we might get snowfall like a classic.
Speaker 2: We'd be riding like air is on fire.
Speaker 1: He's the CEO of Cincinnai based vigilant cybersecurity Chris and
Speaker 1: I heights on the Scot Sloan show seven hundred WLW
Speaker 1: is Google and the government there at Google's top cyber
Speaker 1: threat analyst said, Iran will absolutely respond with a cyber attack.
Speaker 2: We talked about stuff they've done in the past.
Speaker 1: You mentioned our infrastructure, Chris, I believe it was a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, three years ago maybe that Iran
Speaker 1: and hackers got into the water treatment plant computers in
Speaker 1: the US. Could you take us back how that happened
Speaker 1: and what does that tell us about how vulnerable our
Speaker 1: basic infrastructure is? And are we better at protecting it
Speaker 1: now than we were three years ago?
Speaker 3: Actually, we're not better at protecting it now that we were.
Speaker 3: Cour were actually worse than we were. I would, you know,
Speaker 3: I would say I was even that seven eight years
Speaker 3: ago we were in a better position to protect than
Speaker 3: we were than we are now. Right, because a lot
Speaker 3: of the cyber the cybersecurity industry has reduced effectiveness. Uh
Speaker 3: and and and I would I would actually say because
Speaker 3: of margin, right and so and the other part of
Speaker 3: it is that you know, is that companies have put
Speaker 3: a lot of their things in the cloud right, And
Speaker 3: so because they've done that, they've removed a lot of
Speaker 3: the security at their physical locations when we went to
Speaker 3: work from home. In a lot of cases, now the
Speaker 3: attacks are more widespread, so it's a lot harder to find.
Speaker 3: So are what we would call in the industry an
Speaker 3: attack footprint. It got way way big.
Speaker 4: Where it used to.
Speaker 3: Be just at your office, now it's at everybody's home,
Speaker 3: and so it's a lot harder. Or it's in the cloud, right,
Speaker 3: So it's a lot harder to detect those things, and
Speaker 3: a lot of organizations have made the decision to remove
Speaker 3: the very security that could detect these things right now,
Speaker 3: like even AI attacks, it's a lot easier to detect
Speaker 3: AI attacks because we had a lot more data years ago,
Speaker 3: but because companies have removed a lot of this security
Speaker 3: the local location because they said, hey, data is in
Speaker 3: the cloud, Well now it's up there. The other thing
Speaker 3: that's interesting today is that now we have a lot
Speaker 3: of people using the cloud as part of their everyday
Speaker 3: business operations. And if you haven't noticed over the last
Speaker 3: which I'm sure you have, over the last week, claud
Speaker 3: has gone out you know a few times. Well, when
Speaker 3: you know that claud is being used by the US
Speaker 3: government to do AI targeting and things like that. Now
Speaker 3: those technologies become targets by the attackers, right, and so
Speaker 3: I look look at where the missiles have been going
Speaker 3: for a rand. They've been going to aws locations in Dubai, right,
Speaker 3: They've been hitting radar systems. So if you build your
Speaker 3: entire operations of your company around a specific technology, and
Speaker 3: that technology is also used by the US government, it's
Speaker 3: going to be attacked, right, and you're gonna have autes.
Speaker 2: No, it makes sense, makes sense.
Speaker 1: The experts are flag and energy, water, transmission, banking, telecommunications,
Speaker 1: as you just did, as priority targets. If you had
Speaker 1: to pick the single most vulnerable sector in the US
Speaker 1: right now for a cyber attack from the Iranians or
Speaker 1: their proxies, what it would be?
Speaker 2: What would it be?
Speaker 4: In one.
Speaker 3: You know, I would uh, I would say, if I
Speaker 3: were to be the attacker, I would go after water.
Speaker 3: Electricity is one thing. But we're not in the winter
Speaker 3: right now, and so you know, it's it's not like
Speaker 3: it's going to take heat out. You know, no one's
Speaker 3: gonna you know, uh, you know, freeze, freeze to death.
Speaker 3: At this point, I would go after water and so
Speaker 3: and I would say both are electrical grid and our
Speaker 3: water system are both you know at risk. We we
Speaker 3: do know they were physical attacks. I mean remember, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, I think they attributed that back to Rando
Speaker 3: when people were firing rifles at transformers out you know. Now,
Speaker 3: I think water is the first thing I think the
Speaker 3: I think water. I think electricity follows water because if
Speaker 3: we're without electricity here in the United States for you know,
Speaker 3: ninety days, we we have a we're gonna have a
Speaker 3: really really bad problem.
Speaker 1: Is that possible that they can shut down at least
Speaker 1: you know, we have several grids here, but shut things
Speaker 1: down and to make that big an impact, Oh for sure.
Speaker 3: I mean if you look at if you look at
Speaker 3: the electrical grid, I mean remember years ago, uh, that
Speaker 3: circuar breaker popped in the northeast and it took out
Speaker 3: you know, and I think you know somewhere like New
Speaker 3: Hampshire something that took out the entire right all the
Speaker 3: way to Canada. So yes, I mean there are there
Speaker 3: are very if you think about it, you know a
Speaker 3: lot of a lot of our grid is held together
Speaker 3: with you know, the proverbial you know, surge protector with
Speaker 3: a bunch of stuff plugged into it. And so you know,
Speaker 3: if you take out one of those facilities, and yeah,
Speaker 3: it does the other. The other risk to it too
Speaker 3: is that a lot of actually almost all of our
Speaker 3: uh you know, big transformers that you see when you're
Speaker 3: driving around. Those can't just be driven down the street.
Speaker 3: They have to be flown in. And where they come
Speaker 3: from is China, and China has like a two to
Speaker 3: three year you know, backlog on this if they even
Speaker 3: decide they're going to give us anymore. So you know,
Speaker 3: if those things get taken out, it's not like you
Speaker 3: have two or three of them. We have one, right
Speaker 3: you know, in certain areas. So if that gets taken out,
Speaker 3: it could be a significantly long time before this come
Speaker 3: back on. But I would say from a cyber standpoint,
Speaker 3: I would say our water is the most vulnerable. And
Speaker 3: we already know that. You and I talked about that
Speaker 3: a few you know, and I think what last month
Speaker 3: is about two hundred and fifty of our water districts
Speaker 3: are known to have attacks in it and right now
Speaker 3: and you know that they can't get out. There's a
Speaker 3: big news article on that, and you know we just
Speaker 3: we have to do.
Speaker 1: So so when that's happens and not have probably when
Speaker 1: Chris and I heis, when a major cyber attack hits
Speaker 1: critical in for church, let's say water power good, whatever
Speaker 1: it is, What is the government's actual response going to
Speaker 1: look like? And is it a credible deterrent that makes
Speaker 1: around maybe think twice before on the trigger.
Speaker 3: That's that's the thing. So one I think are there's
Speaker 3: an internal response and I think that's something FEMAUS keeps
Speaker 3: straight close because you don't want to let you know
Speaker 3: your attackers know what your responses are going to be.
Speaker 3: And I think that's why I think, you know, as
Speaker 3: what the US is, you know, you know, I would say,
Speaker 3: you know, kinetic or you know, you know, direct attack
Speaker 3: action will be I think it would be pretty swift.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know Donald Trump is you know, he's
Speaker 3: he's big on making sure he he fights back pretty hard.
Speaker 3: You know, you can see that.
Speaker 2: Our response would be good.
Speaker 1: I just wonder how prepared right to get everything back
Speaker 1: online here Stateside?
Speaker 4: Really?
Speaker 2: What what the operation looks like?
Speaker 3: Yeah, see, I think that's I think a good way
Speaker 3: to look at that is, well, what happens when uh,
Speaker 3: you know a snowstorm hits, right, and I take down
Speaker 3: tons of things. You can see what that response looks like.
Speaker 3: Think about that response, but you know, which is pretty good, right.
Speaker 3: But those responses are because you know, if it's that
Speaker 3: happens in Florida, they're bringing all the trucks from all
Speaker 3: over the United States down to Florida. I don't think
Speaker 3: we have the enough trucks and people to go fix
Speaker 3: all of these things. And that's where I would say this.
Speaker 3: If there's anything I would tell people in the United
Speaker 3: States is you know, you said, how are we better
Speaker 3: prepared now than we were before? You know, there's a
Speaker 3: technological aspect of that, and then there's a people part
Speaker 3: of that. And I would say it is something like
Speaker 3: this happened in the fifties for the sixties. I think
Speaker 3: people were a lot more self sufficient and they knew
Speaker 3: how to take care of themselves, right, I think, and
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that we don't as an as a
Speaker 3: society know how to take care of ourselves. But we
Speaker 3: don't have to do that in our everyday lives. You know,
Speaker 3: we don't have to think about power, we don't have
Speaker 3: to think about water. I'll tell you this this story.
Speaker 3: I was just reading this on Twitter, this guy that
Speaker 3: he posted this up and he said he had been
Speaker 3: driving by this water main break for like four weeks
Speaker 3: and like, I mean, water is show in the street.
Speaker 3: And so he calls the water department and he goes, hey,
Speaker 3: do you guys know about this wire may break? And
Speaker 3: they said no, we don't, and uh, and so what
Speaker 3: had happened? You know, he thought about it later and
Speaker 3: he thought, I bet all of these people, thousands of
Speaker 3: people drive by us every day, including him for four weeks,
Speaker 3: just thought somebody else was going to call. And and
Speaker 3: that's where for us as Americans, you know, you know,
Speaker 3: one thing that's always been a strength of ours is
Speaker 3: we come together. And so if something were to happen,
Speaker 3: which I believe it will eventually, whether it's small or big,
Speaker 3: don't rely on the guys in the trucks to just
Speaker 3: go fix things. Right Like, we gotta we gotta start
Speaker 3: getting back to where we we go help each other
Speaker 3: and we we really come together as Americans and we
Speaker 3: bring these things back online in whatever way we can together.
Speaker 1: It sounds like Chris that that back in post nine
Speaker 1: to eleven. If you see something, say something We've got
Speaker 1: to rebrand that imaging for today makes a lot of sense. Chris,
Speaker 1: I heist the CEO of Vigilant Cybersecurity here in Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: You've been warned about what Iran is most likely to do.
Speaker 1: Seem more cyber than it is physical terrorism hitting America's
Speaker 1: homeland here, Chris, all the best. Thanks for jumping on
Speaker 1: this morning. I appreciate it. Good take care. We got
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Speaker 2: Slowly with you.
Speaker 1: Here seven hundred WLW, meandering through this Tuesday morning with you.
Speaker 1: It feels like a second cup of cop maybe a
Speaker 1: third or fourth cup of copy day you already had
Speaker 1: your second cup of cough.
Speaker 2: All right, Now that.
Speaker 1: The smoke is settling somewhat from the attacks on Saturday,
Speaker 1: what now, seventy two plus hours after this whole thing,
Speaker 1: I think it's time to take a step back and
Speaker 1: look at what we're doing here, Because, first of all,
Speaker 1: I don't about you, but for me, for the first
Speaker 1: couple days of this thing, I was celebrating and celebrating
Speaker 1: the fact that Kamani is dead. I mean, this guy,
Speaker 1: by all measures, was a despot who ruled for almost
Speaker 1: forty years, almost four decades of just brutality against his
Speaker 1: own people, cracking down on its dissenters. We saw a
Speaker 1: growth in Islamic extreme extremism. We saw a target attacks
Speaker 1: on civilized nations like the United States. And we've been
Speaker 1: fighting with this region since nineteen seventy nine, or this
Speaker 1: per country. I guess I should say the region much longer.
Speaker 1: But guy was an evil, evil man, And I think
Speaker 1: that the people of Iran would be better off with
Speaker 1: new leadership for sure. But okay, I think we can
Speaker 1: all agree on that. But it doesn't mean that better
Speaker 1: leadership will rise out of what's going on here. According
Speaker 1: to the Federal Government court, I believe to the CIA
Speaker 1: that there's a chance that it may be replaced by
Speaker 1: someone who's worse. You want to hope, like with Arab Spring,
Speaker 1: that the people will rise up, overthrow the regime and
Speaker 1: install democracy once again, or a democratic form of government,
Speaker 1: or certainly a much more tolerable type of government there.
Speaker 1: But if you look back at our history, at least
Speaker 1: in my lifetime and maybe yours, we haven't done very well.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, we suck.
Speaker 1: At trying to create regime change to try and make
Speaker 1: look like American democracy. I listened to all the I
Speaker 1: think there were at least fifteen instances in world history
Speaker 1: where America's tried it in our short two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty years done this to little if no success. It
Speaker 1: actually made even things worse in a number of cases.
Speaker 1: So now that Commanie, we celebrate Commandie's dead. Okay, regime change,
Speaker 1: Maybe the people rise up and let's see what this
Speaker 1: looks like. Now the reality is setting in right here
Speaker 1: on this Tuesday morning, and I think in this case,
Speaker 1: you know, the president offered pretty much not much justification
Speaker 1: for the strike. You're still trying to figure out the
Speaker 1: why at this point, and we should still be a
Speaker 1: little bit leery of this too, considering most of us
Speaker 1: lived through uh the you know a Rock one point oh,
Speaker 1: Rock two point zero, and the mantra about no new wars,
Speaker 1: much like the mantra about we're going to open up
Speaker 1: all the Epstein files, Well, how do those he's oh
Speaker 1: for two on those things. So the no new war
Speaker 1: thing went out the window, and certainly the Epstein files
Speaker 1: thing went out the window.
Speaker 2: What else.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, members of the Gang of
Speaker 1: Eight Nations were brief yesterday on the attacks, and coming
Speaker 1: out of the meeting, Mike Johnson said, relative to an
Speaker 1: explanation for this through Marco.
Speaker 2: Rubio, that it was a defensive strike.
Speaker 1: Okay, So this is a difference because they were a
Speaker 1: massing what you know, there are massing stuff where they go.
Speaker 2: Where have I heard that before?
Speaker 1: So pardon me if I'm a skeptic of this, as
Speaker 1: much as I celebrate the overthrow of this horrible regime
Speaker 1: and hoping for better but expecting the worst. Like we
Speaker 1: have been told that Iran was weeks away from nuclear weaponry,
Speaker 1: and as somebody who's since the nineteen nineties, as what
Speaker 1: like thirty forty thirty years ago, we started a war
Speaker 1: we're losing now, we've lost what six military personnel, and
Speaker 1: we've been told this is about well, they might have
Speaker 1: they're developing nuclear webs Okay, But even if they did
Speaker 1: acquire it, which they haven't for thirty years, Israel acquired
Speaker 1: nukes illegally with the help of South Africa. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, they're are our allies. I get that whole thing.
Speaker 1: But you know they kid Israel take care of themselves.
Speaker 1: Sure at this point, and several members of Congress said
Speaker 1: while they were talking the administration and they were told
Speaker 1: that missiles in southern Iran were an imminent threat to US.
Speaker 1: FORRCE is the region, and the missiles been there for
Speaker 1: a long time. It doesn't mean that they weren't going
Speaker 1: to press the button at some point and at Thatack
Speaker 1: is sure. But the idea that this is a clear
Speaker 1: and present danger right now, well, you know, when you're
Speaker 1: up in the three decade mark here, maybe that's just
Speaker 1: the way things are. And I get the you know,
Speaker 1: the motive for this whole thing is well, I mean
Speaker 1: I look at what is the motive for the Why
Speaker 1: are we doing it now? I guess it is there
Speaker 1: a perceived weakness theirs because we have this giant uprising
Speaker 1: among the students and they've been tortured, condemned, executed. It's
Speaker 1: a questered, jocked, locked up, thrown away the key and
Speaker 1: now this is a moment in time or hey, you
Speaker 1: know what, the people are rising up, Let's help them out.
Speaker 1: Little bit possibly, and when will that happen again, We
Speaker 1: don't know, But the question is the why now. As
Speaker 1: much as we want to see regime change in Iran
Speaker 1: and we're having regime change right now, it doesn't seem
Speaker 1: like this is well planned out, like there's an exit strategy.
Speaker 1: The criticism was that under Bush, we don't have an
Speaker 1: exit strategy while we're doing that again, And I think
Speaker 1: it's fair as an American, especially if you consider yourself,
Speaker 1: you know, a patriot has a lot of people do
Speaker 1: to ask tough questions administration, going look, what's our axistrategy,
Speaker 1: what's the end goal here? Why would this effort at
Speaker 1: regime change be any different? But typically what winds up
Speaker 1: happening is we do these things, we see them and go, okay, great,
Speaker 1: it's awesome's let's help, and we try to change it,
Speaker 1: and then we just give up because well, we have
Speaker 1: metrum elections or president's going to turn out here in
Speaker 1: three years, and all they have to do is keep
Speaker 1: at this for four years, I suppose, because new regime
Speaker 1: will come in and go, we're not doing this war stuff.
Speaker 1: We're pulling everything out, and you know, we pull the
Speaker 1: carpet out on what it is. We spent lives and
Speaker 1: a lot of money on We did this not that
Speaker 1: long ago, and we're about to do it again. I
Speaker 1: just want a plan. We've already done it. Okay, the
Speaker 1: beast has been decapitated. Great, we can't put that back together,
Speaker 1: nor should we. We should be celebrating the Commandian is
Speaker 1: no longer in power. But we've really got to come
Speaker 1: up with a plan here, you know, just kind of
Speaker 1: spit this thing. Rubyosaying one thing, Johnson saying another. Trump's
Speaker 1: not saying anything. Kind of need some a little bit
Speaker 1: of a containment here, don't we?
Speaker 2: Would you agree?
Speaker 1: I know the Democrats are gonna and they're about as
Speaker 1: facktless as possible here.
Speaker 2: They have no juice.
Speaker 1: They're going to lose a vote to check the authority
Speaker 1: to strike Iran, and they're preparing for a bigger fight
Speaker 1: over the funding. So you got the War Powers Resolution
Speaker 1: vote coming up. We could see that as soon as
Speaker 1: I believe tomorrow. This may indeed, this whole thing might
Speaker 1: bring the Democratic Party together on process anyway. But you
Speaker 1: know they're going to talk about a funding them, but
Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders wants to shut the funding down, controlling the
Speaker 1: purse strings. Another Democrat said, the Middle Eastern countries we've
Speaker 1: been protecting need to pay for it. Sounds very trumpish,
Speaker 1: which is true. They've got the oil money. Should they
Speaker 1: be throwing money in and trying to move things along
Speaker 1: here or have a bigger role in regime change in Iran?
Speaker 1: At least they're a little bit closer to this thing,
Speaker 1: and it kind of gets our fingerprints off with to
Speaker 1: some degree. I think there are legitimate questions to ask
Speaker 1: that because people but are so in their own heads,
Speaker 1: are in their own camp political camp that they don't
Speaker 1: want to but hell, I mean, you're looking at progressives
Speaker 1: here and MAGA Republicans United, and you don't see that
Speaker 1: very often.
Speaker 2: Now that I'll tell you something that should tell you something.
Speaker 1: Nonetheless, the Dow was taken into the shorts today it's down.
Speaker 1: The Dow is down about a thousand points or now
Speaker 1: I'm seeing the New York section down about thousand points
Speaker 1: right now, Dow Jones Industrial, So that's what two percent
Speaker 1: it is plunging right now. Stocks are selling off amid
Speaker 1: the conflict that we're talking about here. Coming up at
Speaker 1: eleven thirty five later the show, Andy schafferl be here
Speaker 1: to calm you down a little voice or reason. We've
Speaker 1: done this before and now I guarantee you what he's
Speaker 1: going to say is that, look, people are.
Speaker 2: Panicking right now. They're selling. Doesn't mean you should.
Speaker 1: If you're a long term investor, you're four one k
Speaker 1: whatever it is that you have, whether you're off I Ira,
Speaker 1: if you got a little bit of money, don't flip
Speaker 1: or you know what, just be cool right now, or
Speaker 1: maybe shift some money into different things to take advantage
Speaker 1: of this. But they want to be pulling all your
Speaker 1: money out because everyone's hair is on fire on Wall
Speaker 1: Street right now. It will recover, as it always does.
Speaker 1: That's how it works. That's how it works. Made Chris
Speaker 1: and I heis on a few minutes ago talking about
Speaker 1: these cyber attacks. I will point out to that a
Speaker 1: third person now is dead in that actual attack in Austin,
Speaker 1: in that mass shooting by the guy in the Allah
Speaker 1: sweatshirt or whatever it was, and that is more of
Speaker 1: like a lone wolf thing, not really like sleep or sell,
Speaker 1: which we have a fear of. But the biggest concern,
Speaker 1: of course, would be cyber attacks here in Americas. Chris
Speaker 1: was talking about because Iranians have been doing this, and
Speaker 1: they have had a plan together for about fifteen years now,
Speaker 1: the most recent hitting US in twenty twenty three when
Speaker 1: a water treatment facility was attacked and shut down.
Speaker 2: And he seems to think that that is.
Speaker 1: Maybe not a likely or probable scenario, but that is
Speaker 1: the one that would have the biggest impact, that they
Speaker 1: could start shutting down water systems, because water today is gold,
Speaker 1: as you know around the world, but especially here in
Speaker 1: the US. Now we're blust because we have all sorts
Speaker 1: of of aquifers, the Ohio River, we've got the Great Lakes,
Speaker 1: and here in our state in Ohio, but out west,
Speaker 1: as you know, the desert in California, they are struggling
Speaker 1: when it comes to water. Wouldn't take much to topple
Speaker 1: all that, and some sort of attack would certainly do that,
Speaker 1: and do a lot more than a physical bombing or
Speaker 1: something like that. I would think that that's probably more
Speaker 1: likely than some sort of physical effect, not that both
Speaker 1: can't happen together, but certainly that is a possibility here
Speaker 1: as we move forward and thinking about our infrastructure. You know,
Speaker 1: look at how many people flipped out, maybe you, maybe me,
Speaker 1: you know, Verizon went down for a little bit. When
Speaker 1: Amazon goes down or Twitter, people lose their minds. Could
Speaker 1: you imagine like the water electric I mean water would
Speaker 1: be one thing, but I think the electrical gride if
Speaker 1: they had a problem to shut down the grade. Now
Speaker 1: you can't charge your phone, you can't use stuff. That's
Speaker 1: a huge problem right there. That is a huge problem.
Speaker 1: But I think in the reality is back to government.
Speaker 1: That that's the problem. Is that the private sector does really,
Speaker 1: really well because money's involve. Their money's involved, the skin
Speaker 1: is in the game, The CEO answers, the shareholders, the
Speaker 1: shareholders of the CEO accountable, and it trickles on down.
Speaker 1: If you screw something up relative to it cybersecurity, you're
Speaker 1: going to pay a heavy toll heads a roll because
Speaker 1: that's people's money. Where's the government is. They don't look
Speaker 1: at it as their money. They look at it as
Speaker 1: kind of free money. This is no accountability. We often
Speaker 1: talk about government waste, fraud, and abuse. Well, that's true,
Speaker 1: and especially when it comes to cybersecurity. You know, him
Speaker 1: saying that we're probably worse today than we were yesterday
Speaker 1: is not exactly what you want to hear from a
Speaker 1: guy who is in the cybersecurity game. But that is
Speaker 1: just typical of government, and that's why we in some
Speaker 1: degree have to prepare ourselves. It doesn't mean, you know,
Speaker 1: the are going to stockpile fifty pallets of water drinking
Speaker 1: water because of this, or I don't know, put some
Speaker 1: solar farm in your backyard, order giant propane tanks, underground diesel,
Speaker 1: build your own nuclear reactor in your spare time. I
Speaker 1: don't know, Because you know, I think in that regard
Speaker 1: that preppers, the doomsdairs have a have something that's admirable
Speaker 1: is that they can take care of themselves for a
Speaker 1: sustainable period. Our phones go out, we can't get on Twitter.
Speaker 1: People who say they're ready to jump off a bridge.
Speaker 1: The last time that happened, I can't get out. I
Speaker 1: can't check the I just bought a fifteen dozen socks
Speaker 1: on Amazon. I can't check what when is my deliver
Speaker 1: where's my package coming? People are ready to kill themselves
Speaker 1: in each other when that happens. I think a little
Speaker 1: preparedness is a good thing here. But we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: Because the Iranians, at least, if anything, they do have proxies,
Speaker 1: and they are maybe not the best but they're still
Speaker 1: pretty good at cyber attacks. It's cheap and it's very
Speaker 1: very effective. That is the biggest concern. It's a Scott
Speaker 1: Flown show on seven hundred wwe coming up at ten
Speaker 1: oh seven. We'll go in a different direction here. You
Speaker 1: ever notice the debate over the climate is just well,
Speaker 1: everything's polarizing these days, but especially climate debate. Like you
Speaker 1: have people that are screaming that all the scientists are
Speaker 1: in the take and it's not happening. Everything's good even
Speaker 1: though you know scientists, you still measure things, and we
Speaker 1: have the technology to measure things, and the planet's wiring
Speaker 1: by a degree or two. But it's just a degree
Speaker 1: or two. Is that big deal? Well, I'll say yes, okay.
Speaker 1: On the other side, you have people like Greta Thurnberg,
Speaker 1: like if we don't stop what we're doing right now,
Speaker 1: she said a few years ago that the world's gonna end,
Speaker 1: I don't know at midnight. Well that that's not true,
Speaker 1: that's not true at all. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: we've heard these cries before where it's it's doomsday, it's
Speaker 1: the world is ending, and it doesn't really come to fruition.
Speaker 1: You heard about you know, the whole theozone the ozone
Speaker 1: layer deals on the it fixed itself. We also heard
Speaker 1: and I think this is interesting too. The story just
Speaker 1: came out today. The US birth rate. Remember it wasn't
Speaker 1: long ago. I mean maybe it was back in the
Speaker 1: sixties before my time, but the concern was over population growth,
Speaker 1: out of control population. You know, the Chinese instituted a
Speaker 1: plan and it was pretty brutal as a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: which led to the the death of a lot of girls.
Speaker 1: Uh you prior toorist boys, because you know, we're reducing
Speaker 1: too much. It's getting too big. Here in the United States.
Speaker 1: The concern was a zero population. Population growth is going
Speaker 1: to kill us. We can't sustain ourselves. That was back
Speaker 1: in the sixties and into the seventies. Story today, the
Speaker 1: nation's birth rate, the number of live births per thousand
Speaker 1: people in a given year, is now down by more
Speaker 1: than twenty five percent since two thousand and seven. So
Speaker 1: in twenty years it's down twenty five percent. Factor in
Speaker 1: a drop in immigration, and you know, look at the
Speaker 1: falling birth rates. It's it's a big problem. We need
Speaker 1: workers to support an aging population because workers pay taxes,
Speaker 1: so there's concern there if it drops twenty five percent
Speaker 1: since two thousand and seven, how is how is how
Speaker 1: are things our systems sustainable? Before we had too many people,
Speaker 1: Now we don't have enough people. And that's happened in
Speaker 1: my lifetime, let alone yours. So if we're wrong about that,
Speaker 1: could we be wrong about the environment, maybe to some degree.
Speaker 1: But again the extremism of Grete Thurnberg versus the extremism
Speaker 1: of people saying it everything is fine. There's some sort
Speaker 1: of truth in the middle. Coming up at ten oh seven,
Speaker 1: Chuck Lorie's the chair of the Greater Cincinnati Earth Coalition.
Speaker 1: We'll debate this coming up at that ten oh seven
Speaker 1: this morning here in the Scots Loan Show on seven
Speaker 1: hundred WLW. And well, as I said too, we'll keep
Speaker 1: an eye on the markets. We have that coming out.
Speaker 1: I also want to get into at ten thirty five
Speaker 1: this morning. I had a discussion yesterday about this time
Speaker 1: with Anna Alby, council member friend of mine. I like
Speaker 1: Anne a lot. We have now caught the two individuals
Speaker 1: most likely responsible for the nine people being shot Saturday
Speaker 1: night in Cincinnati on Kellogg Avenue at the club thirty
Speaker 1: five hundred people there clowns walk in with guns and
Speaker 1: started shooting. I made a prediction, a bold prediction with her,
Speaker 1: and we'll get into that at ten thirty five this
Speaker 1: morning and examine what's really wrong here when it comes
Speaker 1: to our laws and guns and the like. So we
Speaker 1: got that coming up. Lots to do this morning on
Speaker 1: this very busy Tuesday here with the this moving in
Speaker 1: full forecast here, it's again it's just going to go.
Speaker 2: It's going to rain forever. It looks like at this
Speaker 2: point we'll find out.
Speaker 1: We'll get that in and then I said Chuck Lourie
Speaker 1: coming up from the Greater Cincinnati Earth Coalition at ten
Speaker 1: oh six on the Scott Sloan Show, seven hundred ww
Speaker 1: becomes so polarized.
Speaker 2: You're just the environment, right.
Speaker 1: We all like to go outside and bread, clean air,
Speaker 1: go to the parks, whoever it might be. If you're
Speaker 1: great at Thurnberg, I'm not trying to hear you. The
Speaker 1: world isn't going to end before the season finale of Surviving. Likewise,
Speaker 1: if I don't know they're the Cook brothers, for example,
Speaker 1: the size is pretty clear. The planet is changing. I mean,
Speaker 1: you got oil money trying to predict your investments. And
Speaker 1: then I get while you're trying to convince me, and
Speaker 1: you know, seeding people who will be your mouth piece.
Speaker 1: I understand, I know the world works, but you know,
Speaker 1: as always, the truth is in between the extremes. To
Speaker 1: answer that question is Chuck Laurie. Chuck is the chair
Speaker 1: of the Greater Cincinnati Earth Coalition. Earth Day, of course,
Speaker 1: is approaching, I think next month. Chuck, welcome, How are you.
Speaker 4: I'm doing great, Thanks too much for having me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.
Speaker 1: The problem is, and I guess because you've been in
Speaker 1: this for a long time, you have people who absolutely
Speaker 1: want to change the planet overnight. If they're up to them,
Speaker 1: they would get rid of all fossil fuels immediately.
Speaker 2: Somehow, I don't know how you do that.
Speaker 1: On the other hand, people saying everything's fine, little sort
Speaker 1: itself out, which we've got to be better stewards the planet,
Speaker 1: for sure. But how did Earth Day or the environmental
Speaker 1: how did this become in conservation all that stuff and
Speaker 1: climate change? How did it get so polarized? How did
Speaker 1: we get to the point today where we don't even
Speaker 1: hear each other.
Speaker 4: Well, that's a good question. Luckily we don't have that
Speaker 4: much of the polarization here in Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: Do you have a sense of like, we care, but
Speaker 2: we can only do so much.
Speaker 4: Every little bit helps.
Speaker 6: It's a lot of initiatives. I mean, something that the
Speaker 6: city's focused on is just reducing food waste. You know,
Speaker 6: thirty percent of waste that goes into the landfill is
Speaker 6: food which can be recycled. You know, some of these
Speaker 6: things make just common sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember touring, I said, a volunteering are some
Speaker 1: Matthew twenty five minut ministries a few years ago, and
Speaker 1: it was remarkable to me, Chuck that if you go
Speaker 1: in there and there's a lot of clothes and sundryes
Speaker 1: and things like that, but sample products from P and
Speaker 1: G for example, like I don't know, sunscreen, let's say,
Speaker 1: or the Campbell soup company, if the label was crooked
Speaker 1: on a can of soup, they couldn't sell it. It's
Speaker 1: something they want to the law says, you can't sell it. See,
Speaker 1: you had all these Kansas soup they're perfectly find that
Speaker 1: in the past would have ended up in a landfill.
Speaker 1: Ditto for the sunscreen and all these other products, and
Speaker 1: instead Matthew twenty five ships it to war torn or
Speaker 1: natural disaster stricken countries to help people there along with
Speaker 1: the clothes like Sintas may have a misprint on a
Speaker 1: logo on a shirt or a name tag that would
Speaker 1: end up in a landfill. Usually they do a wonderful
Speaker 1: job of this, And I know that's something when it
Speaker 1: comes to environment and helping people, helping mankind, And you're
Speaker 1: right about that. It's like, well that's common sense stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, the food waste restaurants throw a ton of
Speaker 1: food away? Could that be better suited to going to
Speaker 1: homeless shelf because I know there's a lot of other
Speaker 1: there's organizations to do that in Cincinnati, but do it
Speaker 1: on a bigger scale. Stuff like that, Like sometimes the
Speaker 1: laws and health code and are in direct conflict with this.
Speaker 1: And that's just all common sense slam dun stuff that
Speaker 1: Whether you believe in climate change or you think it's
Speaker 1: all made up, I think we all agree on that.
Speaker 2: That's a good idea.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, and the city has just rolled out composting
Speaker 4: bends all throughout the city in each each of the
Speaker 4: fifty two neighborhoods. I just got one here at Mount
Speaker 4: Storm Park in Clifton, so you just it's free for
Speaker 4: three months. You just get called up. Sign up gets
Speaker 4: your code and you can put your composed of food
Speaker 4: waste in there, and.
Speaker 1: Then you turn that into what mult right you could
Speaker 1: throw out your garden or on your lawn.
Speaker 4: It's the common orchard. Try Projeck here in Cincinnati turns
Speaker 4: it into multi and then they sell that. And but
Speaker 4: it's a terrific process. And I'd like everybody to check
Speaker 4: out the Common Orchards project dot org and and make
Speaker 4: this composting test of success for these first three months.
Speaker 1: I tried that years and years ago, and I was
Speaker 1: really I was really bad at it. It seems like
Speaker 1: it should be pretty easy, but I struggled mightily with it.
Speaker 1: Chuck like I put, I forget it so long ago
Speaker 1: I forgot. But I was like, Okay, guy got some
Speaker 1: leaves in the yard and I did that. You put
Speaker 1: layers in the whole thing, and I think it's still
Speaker 1: sitting there. I don't think it's compost at all. I
Speaker 1: think Mother Nature hates me.
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm sure it's composted by now. But it's easy
Speaker 4: to do. Just coffee grounds, food waste, just take. Don't
Speaker 4: put cape in there. And cardboard is great, you know,
Speaker 4: you just layer it, h give it a try. All
Speaker 4: the instructions are on the bend, you'll see them. They're
Speaker 4: all around the city.
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, they've made it much easier. I think it
Speaker 1: accessible for people too. There's I think the problem with
Speaker 1: the divide we have with environmentalism and it's become so polarized,
Speaker 1: is there's friction points. Right, there's like a small inconvenience
Speaker 1: that stop people from taking action even they want to do.
Speaker 2: You see that around here a lot.
Speaker 1: I mean I mentioned the difficulties or at least in
Speaker 1: my mind, with composting, it's kind of a small step.
Speaker 1: I got to throw stuff out anyway? Why not to
Speaker 1: do that? But it's like, wow, it didn't work for me.
Speaker 1: Are there other friction points like that to just prevent
Speaker 1: people from from being better about it?
Speaker 4: Well, riding a bicycle the Queen City Trails has created
Speaker 4: a great matrix of bikeable paths, you know, the the
Speaker 4: bike paths along Central Parkway just removes that barrier that
Speaker 4: it's dangerous to interface with cars. Now you have your
Speaker 4: own bike lane. Well.
Speaker 1: I also think though too, that you know you want
Speaker 1: to go to work? Do you want to? I mean
Speaker 1: there's some days where it's absolutely beautiful. Love to ride
Speaker 1: my bike, but you know, for most of the weather
Speaker 1: we just had over the winter, and then of course
Speaker 1: the summer is brutally hot as well.
Speaker 2: For a lot of people. That's a turn off.
Speaker 4: Well starting little little parts, you know, just bike when
Speaker 4: you can, so they we've got great bike trails to
Speaker 4: do that.
Speaker 1: What about topping off your gas. I'm a topper, Chuck,
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. I know it's just signs
Speaker 1: up all of it. Don't top off your field. I
Speaker 1: got to hit that number exactly on the gas pump.
Speaker 1: I'm a bad person, right.
Speaker 4: I think they're saying, don't fill up after sunset or
Speaker 4: you know, try to fill up after sunset when the
Speaker 4: emissions aren't going to be that large and the.
Speaker 1: Lines are shorter there too. I got to hit that
Speaker 1: exact number. If it's like, you know, fifty bucks, I
Speaker 1: got to hit fifty bucks on those. Otherwise I got
Speaker 1: to go up to fifty one.
Speaker 2: It drives me. The OCD is real in my life.
Speaker 1: He's Chuck Laurier at the Greater Cincinnati Earth Coalition and
Speaker 1: talking about how we got so divided. Whether you're either
Speaker 1: on the Greta Thurnberg side or the Hey it's all
Speaker 1: a lie and it's all made up and it's all
Speaker 1: politics side. There's no oxygen left in the room to say, hey,
Speaker 1: could we be better at protecting the environment. I think
Speaker 1: the other element here too that gets lost, Chuck, is
Speaker 1: we also have to recognize we live here and now
Speaker 1: and today that with the debate over fossil fuels, for example,
Speaker 1: oil is going to be around. We're going to be
Speaker 1: dependent on for our lifetimes and probably the next couple
Speaker 1: of lifetimes. It's just the way it is, you know.
Speaker 1: I think people say we've got to do more in America.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's more the little things like you're talking about,
Speaker 1: but the big seismic changes in switching all over to
Speaker 1: solar and wind and renewables.
Speaker 2: Is a tough ask.
Speaker 1: Is it reasonable to admit as an environmental It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, the people who want to do this overnight
Speaker 1: are equally out of their minds.
Speaker 4: Well, it's not going to be done overnight. I mean
Speaker 4: it's a small smalls you know, put solar on your apps,
Speaker 4: driving an electric car are both becoming less expensive and
Speaker 4: that'll really drive it.
Speaker 1: But the problem with evs of course it still depends
Speaker 1: on fossil fuel to charge that vehicle.
Speaker 4: Well, the city Cincinnati is invested in a lot in
Speaker 4: some solar arrays. You know, twenty percent of the city's
Speaker 4: electricity comes from their solar array. It's a lot of
Speaker 4: small bites of the apple.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, that makes sense. If you can convert
Speaker 1: solar to energy, I mean, do it. And it's because
Speaker 1: the technology are getting better. It's not something that's going
Speaker 1: to happen overnight. And we also have to consider we
Speaker 1: live in America. When you talk about what's happening here,
Speaker 1: I think we're much better environmental stewards. And let's say
Speaker 1: China or India for sure, and that's the problem. We've
Speaker 1: got to compete with their economies. I think that's a
Speaker 1: realism that some environmentalists don't want to recognize it. It
Speaker 1: should be more on us. But if they're not doing it,
Speaker 1: if they're not leaning into it, can what we do
Speaker 1: here offset that?
Speaker 4: Oh? Absolutely? You know, we we have the Cincinnati recycling
Speaker 4: and reuse of you know, you can recycle every type
Speaker 4: of plastic at the Hub. It's it's an amazing resource
Speaker 4: and literally everything even your genes and aluminum foil. It's
Speaker 4: all recyclable. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And that's the other thing to you here is that
Speaker 1: sometimes if you put stuff in recycling container, which I recycle,
Speaker 1: but there's been some studies, don't reports anyway that indicate
Speaker 1: that maybe not all that stuff gets recycled, it just
Speaker 1: gets thrown in the landfill anyway. Is that true or
Speaker 1: is that Are we getting better at that at the
Speaker 1: recycling end?
Speaker 4: Oh not at all. You know you Rumpky loves to
Speaker 4: give you tours. We were lucky to have Rumpy. They
Speaker 4: have the best recycling program in the country. They take
Speaker 4: a lot of a lot of stuff. The HUBB will
Speaker 4: take the rest. Yes, it's important to know what you
Speaker 4: can put in those recycling bends. You know it's not
Speaker 4: with recycle, right, Don't put syrophoam in there because you
Speaker 4: wish they could recycle it.
Speaker 1: But if it has that little logo on it, does
Speaker 1: that mean it's recyclable? You know, the little triangle made
Speaker 1: with arrows. I thought that meant that's recyclable.
Speaker 4: Only specific ones in the Rumpty bins. But the hub
Speaker 4: they take all those all those numbers, and that is.
Speaker 1: Again it's not one of those little hurdles, right, You
Speaker 1: look at it going well, I don't know if Rumpky's
Speaker 1: going to use this am I if I put you know,
Speaker 1: Kroger bags in there, we can't recycle those because it
Speaker 1: comes up the machine. But it seems like they change
Speaker 1: the standards all the time, like they're getting better at
Speaker 1: recycling different things. And I think that's one of those
Speaker 1: roadblocks for people, right is like, Wow, you're you're overwhelming
Speaker 1: with well this minutia. I want to do the right thing,
Speaker 1: but you're making it more difficult. I mean, at some point,
Speaker 1: hopefully we'll be able to throw all our trash and
Speaker 1: I'll sort it all out using AI and lasers and
Speaker 1: all this other cool technology, but we're.
Speaker 2: Not there yet.
Speaker 4: Well, other countries like Japan, it's the culture of recycling. Germany,
Speaker 4: it's the culture. You go to the train station in Germany,
Speaker 4: there's there's six different recycling bends, even for different colors
Speaker 4: of blass. So it starts with the parents teaching the kids,
Speaker 4: starts with the kids teaching the parents. But it is
Speaker 4: an education.
Speaker 1: Why do you think they lean into that more than
Speaker 1: we do here because you have two recycling bins and
Speaker 1: it's confusing. I'd stand there for a half hour fight,
Speaker 1: had six trying to figure out which one to throw
Speaker 1: it in.
Speaker 2: I'll come there. It's more ingrained here, not so much.
Speaker 4: Well, they it costs more. Gasoline costs more in Germany
Speaker 4: and Japan, and you know, resources cost more. So it's
Speaker 4: it's you know, we we were lucky here in the States.
Speaker 4: They have huge you know, landfill pills, but as we
Speaker 4: get more developed, that'll be uh, you know, I have
Speaker 4: the same problems that Japan and Germany do.
Speaker 1: Chuck Laurie's here from the Greayer Cincinnati Earth Coalition. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about common ground here between the Hey, the sky
Speaker 1: is falling environmentalists and the sky is not falling deniers,
Speaker 1: And it's those two entities. Take all the oxygen out
Speaker 1: of the room, and there's little things you can do
Speaker 1: to help, But how much is that really going to
Speaker 1: move the needle? And it's a it's a good conversation
Speaker 1: we're having here. We also as a state have a
Speaker 1: complicated relationship with environmental regulation EPA and the like because
Speaker 1: we have an energy history, we have a legislative history
Speaker 1: with that. Is that hard to navigate here while still
Speaker 1: making progress at the local level.
Speaker 4: Well, the bio environmental Council lobbies the legislature to help
Speaker 4: make it easier for like two houses to get together
Speaker 4: and put solar panels that both houses share. You know,
Speaker 4: one state is recently adopted where you could just plug
Speaker 4: a solar panel into the outlet into your house. If
Speaker 4: your power goes out, at least you've got you can
Speaker 4: power your computer. Yeah, so little things like that, Ohio
Speaker 4: Environmental Council is lobbying for. You know. The other thing
Speaker 4: with the city is we have the twenty thirty pledge
Speaker 4: by buildings. For example, the Contemporary Art Center downtown is
Speaker 4: made of pledge to reduce energy use by fifty twenty thirty.
Speaker 1: Chuck Laurie, are you concerned about AI farms and the
Speaker 1: light going and what's the environmental concern?
Speaker 4: Then? Well, like any energy use, that really should cost
Speaker 4: the people that use the energy the money to get
Speaker 4: the environment back to the way it was. You know,
Speaker 4: we it's going to burn fossil carbon. You need to
Speaker 4: be responsible for the decrimental effects of fossil carbon. Why
Speaker 4: can't we just charge? What can we just do that
Speaker 4: put the environment back to the way we found it?
Speaker 1: Well, because I mean just by walking in the forest,
Speaker 1: you're damaging the environment. I guess, I mean, how how
Speaker 1: pristine can we go back? I also look at the
Speaker 1: past two Oh yeah, go ahead, what's that.
Speaker 4: I don't think walking in the forest is exactly well, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, what I'm saying is you leave a footprint, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, as a former Scout of scouter, you know,
Speaker 1: we find the campsite, we leave the campsite better than
Speaker 1: we found it, but there's still evidence that you were there.
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess, how pristine do you want to
Speaker 1: make it when you go just by us existing, we
Speaker 1: damage the environment?
Speaker 4: Well, that's true, nine billion people, it's a lot of
Speaker 4: a lot of effects.
Speaker 2: At a lot of footprints, a lot of footprints.
Speaker 4: You got to work cut out for.
Speaker 2: Where where's the environmental where's the environmental movement? Now?
Speaker 1: Chuck on nuclear I think that's one. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: curious your take on this one is environmentalists that you
Speaker 1: know back in the day, and I was young, and
Speaker 1: I was a kid then I remember fighting over three
Speaker 1: mile island approach and no nukes, no nukes, no nukes.
Speaker 1: And now we look at it, gone, well, boy, that's
Speaker 1: a much cleaner alternative than than fossil fuel. For sure,
Speaker 1: maybe not as good as solar and wind, but that's
Speaker 1: limited in scales what you can do with that, whereas
Speaker 1: nuclear it's pretty good. You mentioned these companies, and then
Speaker 1: we're moving towards putting small nuclear reactors in and around
Speaker 1: these things so they can power themselves. Do you think
Speaker 1: that was a missed opportunity back in the day that
Speaker 1: we maybe should not have protested so much about that.
Speaker 1: Not that you were part of that, but I think
Speaker 1: as environmentalists, I love your take on it.
Speaker 4: Well, once again, if you're going to have create energy,
Speaker 4: you need to be responsible for the environmental harm that
Speaker 4: it causes. I mean, we we need the natural environment.
Speaker 4: We're part of the natural environment.
Speaker 2: Oh we have to lose your.
Speaker 4: So nuclear energy may have to cast more, just like
Speaker 4: the pots and fossil fuels. It's going to cost. What
Speaker 4: is making solar panels? Is it degrades the environment as well. Sure,
Speaker 4: we need to make energy more expensive so people will
Speaker 4: use less of it. It's really it's kind of our problem,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: Well, I suppose, but we also we also like things
Speaker 1: and we produce things. That means jobs, and now that's
Speaker 1: at odds with the economy. So if you make energy
Speaker 1: so cost prohibitive, that it's so limited and so used.
Speaker 1: Doesn't that doesn't that hurt the human condition?
Speaker 4: No? Others, like I said, Germany and Japan, they deal
Speaker 4: with it, you know. It's it's maybe they have but
Speaker 4: a lot higher leg regulatory burdens than the US does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but lucky, Yeah, well we are lucky.
Speaker 1: But but you look at our again here in America,
Speaker 1: it's about now we're a consumer driven economy and the
Speaker 1: GDP means I think to a lot of people, probably
Speaker 1: a lot more of the environment, and that that's probably
Speaker 1: news you don't want to hear. But I guess that's
Speaker 1: a reality. I don't know if that changes. He's Chuck Loria,
Speaker 1: the chair of a Greater Cincinnati Earth Coalition, the gdc
Speaker 1: e C.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for the time. Chuck enjoyed the conversation.
Speaker 2: Be well.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, the hardline reality is that we have to live
Speaker 1: on this planet. We are going to make a footprint
Speaker 1: no matter how lightly we tread. We also have to
Speaker 1: exist today and we are married, of course to fossil
Speaker 1: fuels for the time being, for our lifetime and our kids'
Speaker 1: life and probably a great grandkids time for that matter.
Speaker 1: Another hundred plus years. In that regard, though, can we
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Speaker 2: It causes us to lose jobs.
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Speaker 1: don't care about the environment because they're trying to live
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Speaker 1: men arrested in the Riverfront live mass shooting. You're not
Speaker 1: gonna believe this. They are already banned from having guns.
Speaker 1: How is this possible? How?
Speaker 2: So big question? Why the system let them walk? Yesterday?
Speaker 1: I had anna all be on with me, council member,
Speaker 1: I'll be and we're discussing the case, the investigation, and
Speaker 1: of course did so before we knew who they were.
Speaker 2: I don't know how you couldn't see this coming with.
Speaker 9: Something like this. It truly leads me, you know, a
Speaker 9: little speechless almost because to your point, there were security
Speaker 9: guards inside, there was a police detail outside, there was
Speaker 9: you know, metal detectors. So at some point we have
Speaker 9: to say, come on, like, we need responsible gun owners.
Speaker 9: We need people who know how to deal with their
Speaker 9: issues without pulling out a deadly weapon.
Speaker 1: Look, I'm a gunner. Ninety nine percent of people are
Speaker 1: law abiding gun owners. This isn't someone being responsible or irrespond.
Speaker 1: This is just someone who has a gun and uses
Speaker 1: an extension to settle beefs. Basically, you know a man
Speaker 1: child or woman child. Generally it's a man child that
Speaker 1: this has nothing new with gun owners, a responsible gunnership.
Speaker 1: This And I'll go on record as saying I'm going
Speaker 1: to I'm gonna bet the person that let that place
Speaker 1: up on Saturday probably was restricted from having a handgun
Speaker 1: because of prior felonies. I will in the bet that
Speaker 1: that person had a handgun under disability.
Speaker 9: I don't know that that's information that's still, you know,
Speaker 9: under investigation.
Speaker 1: I say, I don't know either, but I'm gonna bet
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna bet that that person should.
Speaker 2: Not have had a gun.
Speaker 9: Maybe that's true.
Speaker 2: It was one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: So the Riverfront live shooting nine people shot, six men,
Speaker 1: three women, private party, two guys arrested. Fernique Cobb who's
Speaker 1: twenty four and twenty an annear old Derek Long, both
Speaker 1: faithful onlys assault charges. Here's the detail that should if
Speaker 1: it hasn't stopped in your tracks already. Both men are
Speaker 1: ready legally prohibited from having fire arms. Both had previous
Speaker 1: convictions for weapons under disability. Both knew they weren't supposed
Speaker 1: to have a gun, Both were told by the court,
Speaker 1: you can have one. Both had one anyway in our system.
Speaker 2: The system is.
Speaker 1: Supposed to stop this exactly through all these laws. Already
Speaker 1: had multiple chances to get it right, not once, not twice,
Speaker 1: at least three times, and they still screwed it up.
Speaker 1: This isn't about one bad night in Cincinnati, a bad
Speaker 1: night at Riverfront Life. This is about a justice system
Speaker 1: in Hamlin County and in the City of Cincinnati that
Speaker 1: has been warned, begged, and pleaded with to get serious
Speaker 1: about these repeat offenders and repeatedly chosen not to. And
Speaker 1: the people who think that we ought to give them
Speaker 1: another chance get reappointed and reelected.
Speaker 2: So this is what you.
Speaker 1: Get as a law abiding gun owner. I'm ready to
Speaker 1: become a non lawbiding gun owner because you're not supposed
Speaker 1: to bring a gun into the premises of Riverfront Life.
Speaker 1: You're not supposed to bring a gun into places where
Speaker 1: you shootings, and these people do it anyway. If the
Speaker 1: idea is and you feel so concerned about your personal
Speaker 1: safety and the safety of those around you, including your
Speaker 1: loved ones, especially let alone bystanders. It's almost like, well,
Speaker 1: they're about gun crimes, so I should just bring mine
Speaker 1: with me because knucklehead may do something stupid. You know,
Speaker 1: you may not like guns and despise guns. That's not
Speaker 1: the reality. The reality is things like this make you
Speaker 1: want to carry more, not less, not lock your gun
Speaker 1: up in a car and a lock box to go
Speaker 1: on a venue where the social predators out there like
Speaker 1: these two reign with impunity because they know, hey, I'm
Speaker 1: not allowed to have a gun here. They got one
Speaker 1: in any way, despite metal detectors and everything else, and
Speaker 1: that's where the investigation will be focused on. It makes
Speaker 1: us infuriating that we've had this exact same conversation I
Speaker 1: had with analyob yesterday, to the point where you can
Speaker 1: predict that the people who are doing this stuff shouldn't
Speaker 1: have access to guns, but did the many way, despite
Speaker 1: all these laws they want to pass, despite Democrats and
Speaker 1: Congress in particular talking about how we need more gun laws,
Speaker 1: we didn't enforce the laws we have. Well, you can't
Speaker 1: do that because you victimize these people then why have
Speaker 1: laws anyway? If someone's going to get it's not a victim,
Speaker 1: You're not a victim. If you're perpetuating violence, that doesn't
Speaker 1: make you a victim. I don't care about your your
Speaker 1: social background, your upbringing, quality of life. All that stuff
Speaker 1: is important when their children, okay, both. The minute you
Speaker 1: pick up a firearm and commission of a felony and
Speaker 1: do it several times, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I don't have any more.
Speaker 1: Empathy for you in your upbringing, what happened in your
Speaker 1: life to get to the spot. All I care about
Speaker 1: is getting you off the street and putting it behind
Speaker 1: bars before you kill another innocent person.
Speaker 2: The Patrin Herringer.
Speaker 1: Murder after the brawl, right after Kashanda Winn was shot
Speaker 1: in the back as an innocent bystanderd OTR. We had
Speaker 1: a summer of shootings and had residents and business owners
Speaker 1: literally at what's end.
Speaker 2: And after all that, the Hamlin County.
Speaker 1: Association Chiefs of Police took the step extraordinary step of
Speaker 1: publicly calling for a stakeholder roundtable cops, prosecutors, officials, judges, citizens, moms, dads,
Speaker 1: grandma's and grandpa's to get together to talk about how
Speaker 1: armed violent defenders keep cycling through the system back on
Speaker 1: the streets.
Speaker 2: Judges refused to come.
Speaker 1: You know the idea that, well, we can't because we
Speaker 1: have to maintain impartiality. That's not the answer. Not hey,
Speaker 1: well you know, we'll send a representative. Let's find a
Speaker 1: format that works as like, hey, not our problem, right,
Speaker 1: not our pony, not our circus. And meanwhile, you got
Speaker 1: residents in the West End talking about up to sixty
Speaker 1: shots fired on Clark Streak in a single night.
Speaker 2: We saw the problem with with with privy that goes on.
Speaker 1: And we all know and they were warned that this
Speaker 1: keeps and it just keeps coming. And then we're not
Speaker 1: even a summer yet. Man, what do you think is
Speaker 1: going to happen this summer? You should have a reasonable fear.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to fear monger. I'm just being a
Speaker 1: reality monger.
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 1: In the court rooms, it's the problem judges like Sammy
Speaker 1: silversk She last year walked off the bench with a
Speaker 1: dispute over a prosecutor or a bond and then issued
Speaker 1: an order saying no one is allowed to object to
Speaker 1: a bond rule, no ob Jackson's the bond and accord hearing.
Speaker 2: In a criminal case. What if we were this case.
Speaker 1: Montesa Merriweather convicted felon, bonded out on the weapons disability charge,
Speaker 1: and then participated in the violent downtown brawd that went viral.
Speaker 1: They said they had him on a gun charge. You
Speaker 1: let him walk. That's the ecosystem that Frinny Cobb and
Speaker 1: Derek Long moved through. It's all of this. You know
Speaker 1: you're gonna have criminals. You're gonna have people like Cobb
Speaker 1: and Long and Merriweather, and you can go on and
Speaker 1: on and on with the names. That doesn't matter. It's
Speaker 1: a system that allows this. Sarah Herringer had been saying
Speaker 1: for months, and she's right. Her husband Patrick was killed
Speaker 1: by the man who caught off his ankle monitor. The
Speaker 1: state knew they had a warrant. Mordecai Black spent the
Speaker 1: next three months on a little one man crime spree,
Speaker 1: broke into his girlfriend's apartment, trespassed, and then stabbed Patrick
Speaker 1: Herndon to death in his own home at OTR four
Speaker 1: thirty in the morning. You know, Cobb and Long were
Speaker 1: not ankle monitors, but the principle is the same. The
Speaker 1: tools exists to tract dangerous people, and the political will
Speaker 1: to use it aggressively consistently does not. Not in Columbus,
Speaker 1: down Hamilton County, not in Cincinnati. Nine people were shot
Speaker 1: at Riverfront Live on Saturday. These two clowns that got
Speaker 1: arrested and criminal records should have made it nearly impossible
Speaker 1: for them to access firearms.
Speaker 2: They got them anyway.
Speaker 1: So to talk about responsible gun ownership and responsible gun
Speaker 1: owners I'm done with the platitudes. The system had multiple
Speaker 1: times to intervene here, multiple intervention points, conviction sentences. They've
Speaker 1: been in the system time and time again, and each
Speaker 1: one it shows, well, we'll just go with the lighter
Speaker 1: option here. We don't want to stigmatize people. Then okay,
Speaker 1: you're accepting death and mayhem. You're accepting events like what
Speaker 1: happened on Saturday night. Hamilin County has accepted. That's just
Speaker 1: part of it. Because we don't want to get serious
Speaker 1: about the laws we have, So don't bloviate about how
Speaker 1: we need more laws.
Speaker 2: We need to be straight. It's responsible gunners and lock
Speaker 2: your guns.
Speaker 4: Stop.
Speaker 1: I'm done with it, are you? I'm done with it. It's nonsense.
Speaker 1: It's just hot air. It doesn't mean anything. Hamlet County
Speaker 1: judges won't sit at a table with the chiefs of
Speaker 1: police discussed the problem. They already said, Hey, we're out
Speaker 1: of this. Nope, nope, we're not going to do this.
Speaker 1: We're closing up probation offices. Right, yeah, we're going to
Speaker 1: We're gonna go, oh yeah, we're going to condense the
Speaker 1: probation All okay, great, you don't need neighborhood probation office anymore.
Speaker 1: Supervision is shrinking. We're spending four hundred thousand dollars a
Speaker 1: year in a curfew center that served for four people.
Speaker 1: It's not a question whether the system failed this weekend,
Speaker 1: because it did. The question is whether anyone in a
Speaker 1: position of authority in Hamlin County wants to have an
Speaker 1: honest conversation about why, particularly judges and the people keep
Speaker 1: showing up in our courtrooms getting lighter sentences. Yeah, I promise,
Speaker 1: I'm going to get a job. But yeah, I'm going
Speaker 1: to report to my parole officer. Of course, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to touch a gun. This guy that shot the
Speaker 1: place up Saturday night literally was out of prison for
Speaker 1: fourteen minutes or something. It's insane. He walked out with
Speaker 1: his papers, you know, like shawsh aink redemption. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: walk right in, got a gun and started shooting a
Speaker 1: bar up. And here's the thing, this isn't like okay,
Speaker 1: it's just ref raff gang members shooting game members kind
Speaker 1: of thing. Nine people to concert venue. Nine innocent people
Speaker 1: largely paid for this neglect with their blood. Their blood
Speaker 1: is on the hands of these judges, and they're handwringing
Speaker 1: policies that just encourage more of this to happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll take your word for quit taking their word for it.
Speaker 1: You know, at the point where you pick up a
Speaker 1: gun and commission of a crime, you made a decision.
Speaker 1: You made a conscious decision as a most likely young
Speaker 1: adult to cross a threshold of which there's no going back.
Speaker 1: Five one, three, seven, four, nine, eight hundred the Big
Speaker 1: One talk Back iHeartRadio app. You know, there's something like
Speaker 1: what four hundred million guns in this country. And the
Speaker 1: guns themselves, we know, they're inanimate objects. They don't cause disputes,
Speaker 1: but it raises the stakes when the dispute happens. Okay,
Speaker 1: we got a lot of guns on the streets. The
Speaker 1: guns don't create the conflict, but it removes a a
Speaker 1: natural ceiling on what would be consequences, and you know,
Speaker 1: Anna Alby mentioned that she was speechless and mentioned, you know, okay,
Speaker 1: there's got to be better ways to resolve issues. You're
Speaker 1: she's right, right, But in the past, we had kind
Speaker 1: of like informal structures that afforded that some people, and
Speaker 1: I don't always dis agree with this, but that is,
Speaker 1: you know, we need more church.
Speaker 2: You need to go to church. You got to go
Speaker 2: to church.
Speaker 1: We had churches, We had extended families, we had neighborhood elders,
Speaker 1: we had you know, community organization stuff like that, and
Speaker 1: they would mediate the disputes before they got to points
Speaker 1: like this. Well, you know, society changed and we kind
Speaker 1: of lost that and now we're in this hole.
Speaker 2: And I think digital has a lot to do this.
Speaker 1: Everyone's their own brand and we're told, you know, you're special,
Speaker 1: you're snowflake, You're unlike everyone else, You're you're empowering, believe
Speaker 1: in you, no one else is, and so you feel
Speaker 1: like it's you against the world. We have a dignity culture, Okay,
Speaker 1: we used to, I guess we used to have a
Speaker 1: culture with center around digging, where you know, you kind
Speaker 1: of ignore minor slights and the big problems that you
Speaker 1: would settle, you'd mediate with those parties that I mentioned,
Speaker 1: with neighborhood helders or whatever it might be. And now
Speaker 1: we have this whole honor culture because we've elevated the person,
Speaker 1: the individual, and the special. We got to make you
Speaker 1: feel so good about yourself that you're the only thing
Speaker 1: in the world that matters.
Speaker 10: It's you.
Speaker 2: No one can tell you about you.
Speaker 3: We learn.
Speaker 1: There's commercials I see all the time about this right
Speaker 1: about you know, affirmation and things like oh well and good.
Speaker 1: But when you tell someone they're special, you're also telling
Speaker 1: them that they're the only thing that matters in the world.
Speaker 1: And so we've gone from this dignity to like an
Speaker 1: honor culture now, and which would also call a victimhood
Speaker 1: culture because the same folks can't be told no because
Speaker 1: they see that as disrespect in an affront to them.
Speaker 1: Like we can disagree, No, we can't. I'm one hundred
Speaker 1: percent right, you know, the old Uh it's become it's
Speaker 1: cliche now, but sit you know what is it? The
Speaker 1: safe spots on campus? Right, I'm allowed to use my
Speaker 1: First Amendment rights, but don't you dare challenge me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't work that way. It doesn't work that way, snowflake.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: So everyone's a victimhood, everyone's a victim in this case,
Speaker 1: and the biggest percentage of shootings probably like this one
Speaker 1: start his arguments over something trivial, something stupid, And that
Speaker 1: code shows that law enforcement is distrusted, that social status
Speaker 1: is the only real currency, and the willing to see
Speaker 1: is violence becomes a survival instinct, and social media has
Speaker 1: just made this far and far worse. At five three,
Speaker 1: seven hundred, the Big One. Let me go do a
Speaker 1: bill in Westwood on the Scott Sloan show, Bill Morning.
Speaker 5: Good morning, young man.
Speaker 3: How are you today?
Speaker 2: I'm doing fine. What's up?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 5: You mentioned the fact that the judges aren't doing their jobs.
Speaker 5: That's because Mayor Pure of All, when he was a
Speaker 5: clerk of courts, told them that if they went with
Speaker 5: high cash bail or heavy sentences, they would be primary.
Speaker 5: So no one wants to be primary, so they just
Speaker 5: went low. You have people who don't want large portions
Speaker 5: of the city or their favorite voting demographics put in
Speaker 5: prison because you're going to make their friends and family
Speaker 5: mad at you, and they won't vote for you and
Speaker 5: you will lose political power. But what was really interesting
Speaker 5: was when the city manager was bloviating on responsible gun ownership.
Speaker 5: And now that it turns out that these two guys
Speaker 5: were both mellons and having firearms under disability, I wonder
Speaker 5: if she's going to come out and take the proverbial
Speaker 5: banana cream pie in the face.
Speaker 1: No, and no, there'll be no statement about this whatsoever.
Speaker 1: No one will talk about this because it doesn't further
Speaker 1: the argument. And that's the other part of the problem
Speaker 1: is elected officials used to be a fountable to not
Speaker 1: only the people that got them there, but also the
Speaker 1: people who who voted against them and saying, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: we have to do right by the community, or we
Speaker 1: have to lift everyone up, not just a certain group.
Speaker 1: It doesn't fit in the narrative and therefore we don't
Speaker 1: discuss it. And that's true on the left as it
Speaker 1: is the right.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 5: As a gun owner of some fifty years, none of
Speaker 5: my firearms has ever gotten out and committed any times
Speaker 5: or anything like that. I have, and you know, I'm
Speaker 5: really grateful for that. But you know, if I wanted
Speaker 5: to go to one of these venues, I wouldn't because
Speaker 5: it's not safe. Therefore, my money stays in my pocket.
Speaker 5: And you know I can stay home. I can stay home,
Speaker 5: go visit friends, watch you do, do whatever I need
Speaker 5: to do without worrying about being shot. And eventually the
Speaker 5: business people are.
Speaker 1: Going to like complain, well, I you know, here's what
Speaker 1: I'll let you go. Sounds like you got water right,
Speaker 1: don't waste water? Please turn out water where you you're
Speaker 1: paying for that, or it's really raining out there somewhere
Speaker 1: thanks to the call.
Speaker 2: I appreciate.
Speaker 1: But you know, as you get older and you called
Speaker 1: me young man, and I'm old, So as you get older,
Speaker 1: you know, the world shrinks, it does you know, you're
Speaker 1: not going to go out and do things like you
Speaker 1: used to and run the streets and new experiences you
Speaker 1: tend to you know, you tend to be a homebody.
Speaker 1: So we're kind of like out of that demo that
Speaker 1: they target. Anyway, I'm talking about younger folks. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about gen z ors in particular, maybe younger millennials. Maybe not,
Speaker 1: you're going to go out and do stuff. I like,
Speaker 1: still like to do cool stuff. I like to go
Speaker 1: and catch new music. I like hip hop. I don't
Speaker 1: think I would go to Cincinnati live unless I saw
Speaker 1: there someone there that I really wanted to see. But
Speaker 1: you know, the problem, of course, is not that it's
Speaker 1: like I just choose to stay home. And you know,
Speaker 1: if you're on you mentioned YouTube, social media, you're gonna
Speaker 1: get a steady diet because the algorithm is going to
Speaker 1: feed you a steady diet of things that just reinforce
Speaker 1: your worldview, which is going to make you maybe a
Speaker 1: little bit more scared.
Speaker 2: I understand that, and that's how it works.
Speaker 1: And that also adds in this the fuel of what
Speaker 1: we're talking about here about the great social divide. But
Speaker 1: the reality is like, if you're a judge and you
Speaker 1: don't want to engage in the probably make the process
Speaker 1: better because you're fear you're going to lose your impartiality.
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like that impartial right now? You know
Speaker 1: we got to be impartial. Yeah, But from where I say,
Speaker 1: you just keep catching people who are violating the laws
Speaker 1: that you swore an oath to enforce, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what a judge does, rule guilty or innocent, and
Speaker 1: you just turned the blind eye to going, Well, you're
Speaker 1: going to promise not to do it again, right, Oh yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And if they do it over and over again, I
Speaker 1: don't know what that has to do with In partiel,
Speaker 1: it looks like you're incompetent, is what it is. I mean,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's you know, peer
Speaker 1: of not necessarily peer of all or all be or
Speaker 1: any member of the council. It's not her. The problem
Speaker 1: is the judges, and they don't want to be held accountable.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, because you know, when when people
Speaker 1: are getting shot with think that as a judge, you
Speaker 1: kind of want to make sure that doesn't happen again.
Speaker 2: It makes you look bad. But in Cincinnati maybe not.
Speaker 1: And where the political element comes as well, we have
Speaker 1: this environment and these folks just keep getting re elected,
Speaker 1: even by wider margins. So is this what the community is?
Speaker 1: This what the city wants? It looks like they're getting it.
Speaker 1: But if you want to engage in society and be
Speaker 1: part of it, and you have a concern that violence
Speaker 1: could break out at any moment, then I think you
Speaker 1: have every right according to the Constitution, to protect yourself
Speaker 1: regardless what these laws are. I say, Okay, I'm a
Speaker 1: law abiding gun owner that I'm neutered because I can't
Speaker 1: bring it anywhere. That's not stopping these felons who get innout. Now,
Speaker 1: I guarantee it. If it's you and you do it,
Speaker 1: guess what they're going to make an example lot of you. Right,
Speaker 1: here's a gun owner I can't seal. Okay, they shot
Speaker 1: this person. It was a wrong shoot and they're gonna
Speaker 1: make a big deal out of that. You're going to
Speaker 1: go to jail much longer than these two clowns who
Speaker 1: shot up Revel Riverfront Live bar. That's not a good
Speaker 1: look for the city, does not make people want to
Speaker 1: come to downtown Cincinnati and spend their money.
Speaker 2: And that's the bottom line.
Speaker 1: It's about money and small business and quality of life
Speaker 1: and your undermining this whole thing. Got to get a
Speaker 1: news update in more to follow Scottsland show seven hundred
Speaker 1: WW since now EPEX hearing group in Montgomery and fight
Speaker 1: up literally across the Middle East, Bahrain saying they've down
Speaker 1: seventy three missiles and ninety one drowns.
Speaker 2: The embassy and Kuwait targeted by Iran.
Speaker 1: Other embassies and other places inside the Middle East under
Speaker 1: siege to some degree various degrees by Iran. And President
Speaker 1: Trump announcing that we have a virtually unlimited supply of
Speaker 1: US munitions, and Iran has already been crippled in so
Speaker 1: many shaped way shapes and formed. But of course this
Speaker 1: is about regime change, and for the first time in
Speaker 1: forty six years, we have a legitimate chance at regime
Speaker 1: change in Iran, but we are bad at it historically
Speaker 1: here in America.
Speaker 2: Where does this war go? Hongs at last, and what
Speaker 2: should the outcomes be.
Speaker 1: Joining the show this morning is retired Major General Bob
Speaker 1: Dy's the United States Army. He commanded the US Israeli
Speaker 1: Combined Task for US for Missile Defense for some thirty
Speaker 1: years out the National Study National Center rather for healthy bets.
Speaker 2: General D's welcome.
Speaker 4: Oh, great to be with you, Scott, Thank you.
Speaker 10: Thanks. As with all I know, we honor the service
Speaker 10: of our military and their sacrifice, particularly those who've given
Speaker 10: their lives, and we pray for God's comfort to their
Speaker 10: families so they may illustrate self with service.
Speaker 4: Amen.
Speaker 1: The big question would be out is the aircraft that
Speaker 1: got shot down? The three F fifteens were shot down
Speaker 1: by Kuwaiti defenses. With technology, with our allies and especially
Speaker 1: with aircraft friendly fire seems like something that shouldn't happen,
Speaker 1: yet it does. Have we gotten better, We had to
Speaker 1: be much better than it used to be. But with
Speaker 1: the technology out there, how's that happen?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've done a lot better.
Speaker 10: But when you talk about relationship between international forces that
Speaker 10: haven't trained together with the aircraft and air defense in
Speaker 10: this manner before in a major way, then it happens
Speaker 10: fractor sides always tragic. Gratefully the pilots lived, and I'm
Speaker 10: sure this is a warning antidote to many people around
Speaker 10: the region of these other nations.
Speaker 4: That are we have a lot of US Air Force.
Speaker 10: Other nations air force flying around. We need this identification
Speaker 10: process needs to work much better than it did in
Speaker 10: this case.
Speaker 1: Obviously, we had nearly nine hundred strikes in twelve hours.
Speaker 1: That seems to me to be an extraordinary operational tempo.
Speaker 1: So from a military standpoint, page what does that tell
Speaker 1: you the pace? What does that tell you about the
Speaker 1: planning timeline and the level of readiness and how preposition
Speaker 1: we are for them?
Speaker 10: Yeah, well it's the Chairman of the Joint Chief Staff
Speaker 10: just recently said this morning, this is an unprecedented scale.
Speaker 10: And I was in charge of the war plans in
Speaker 10: the Pentagon in the late nineties. I know this particular
Speaker 10: mission was part of the planning process back then. You know,
Speaker 10: you plan against all sorts of contingencies, and so in
Speaker 10: some cases the planning has gone on for decades, understanding
Speaker 10: the terrain and understanding the people. But then now the
Speaker 10: integrate of all the technology we now have is critical,
Speaker 10: and it's amazing, frankly to see once and again how
Speaker 10: this integration has produced good results. Albeit this is a
Speaker 10: large conflict and we're going to see some loss of
Speaker 10: lives as well.
Speaker 2: This has been going on for forty seven years.
Speaker 10: Why now, yeah, yeah, well it's just come to a
Speaker 10: boiling point. You know, the Iranians, you try all elements
Speaker 10: of national power. Regrettably, over the forty seven years since
Speaker 10: the Islamic Revolution happened, we've never had anything decisive to
Speaker 10: tell them to it's not healthy to say death to
Speaker 10: America or death to Israel, and to promote terrorism and
Speaker 10: continue to try to gain nuclear weapons and to empower
Speaker 10: their surgus throughout the region, and then of recent to
Speaker 10: kill many of the innocent protesters within our inn itself.
Speaker 10: So all of that brought it to a boiling point.
Speaker 10: Our president and the administration worked hard on the negotiating side,
Speaker 10: and it became obvious to really the whole world that
Speaker 10: the Iranians were delaying and delaying and just trying to
Speaker 10: play it out until they broke out with a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the decision to strike in a daylight rather night,
Speaker 1: to catch commanding the other senior officials together is described
Speaker 1: as a like a tactic deliberate tactical surprise. That's a
Speaker 1: pretty significant decision. And also that should tell you us
Speaker 1: a lot. And you the quality of intelligence that drove
Speaker 1: us from the.
Speaker 4: CIA, Yeah, you're exactly right.
Speaker 10: Well, the CIA and certainly the Israelis. Yeah, there was
Speaker 10: a real time intelligence, no doubt that brought this the
Speaker 10: timelines forward. That you take more risk when you do
Speaker 10: it in the day, but the element of surprise was
Speaker 10: powerful and ineffective.
Speaker 1: Iran fired nearly three hundred missiles, roughly three hundred missiles
Speaker 1: I think in retaliation from their estimated stockpile. What's their
Speaker 1: remaining cap of capability? How long can they sustain that
Speaker 1: rate of fire?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's good questions, Scott. I don't know.
Speaker 10: I doubt that the US military planners know that with precision.
Speaker 10: They have done this for decades, produce these ballistic missiles.
Speaker 10: They probably have quite a few stockpiles left. The question
Speaker 10: really is can they command and control that. Have we
Speaker 10: knocked down enough of their three hundred missile launchers to
Speaker 10: make it where they can't deliver the missiles. So I
Speaker 10: imagine they have a huge stock pile. It's just but
Speaker 10: that's not the.
Speaker 4: Long pull in the tent. We need to get their launchers.
Speaker 10: We need to disrupt their command and control, disrupt their intelligence,
Speaker 10: their targeting capabilities.
Speaker 4: And then that'll deny some of the use of those missiles.
Speaker 1: I imagine this is just part of the first wave here.
Speaker 1: Typically in a battle plan like this, general, how does
Speaker 1: that plan? How I guess how deep in the deck
Speaker 1: do you wind up getting?
Speaker 4: Here?
Speaker 1: You apply with paces out of our you know, President said,
Speaker 1: be prepared. This could go on for months. We're hoping days,
Speaker 1: but it could be months, and I think maybe a
Speaker 1: temper our expectations like that.
Speaker 2: But how far out do you plan things like that?
Speaker 10: Yeah, well, you plan all sorts of eventualities and it's
Speaker 10: really condition based. So they'll start with a target set,
Speaker 10: they'll prosecute that the targets, and there were hundreds and
Speaker 10: hundreds I'm sure of targets with all these resources that
Speaker 10: are employed. And then you do battle damage assessment and
Speaker 10: that's how effective was that particular strike. And based on
Speaker 10: battle damage assessment, then you reattack or you say okay,
Speaker 10: let's move on to something else. And the tempo with
Speaker 10: that with which that occurs technically takes will determine how
Speaker 10: long this conflict lasts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the straight of horror moves is already showing disruption
Speaker 1: there in a shutdown. So from a strategic standpoint, how
Speaker 1: serious is the threat of ranch shutting all that down
Speaker 1: or maybe putting placing minds and other things out there
Speaker 1: to dissuade vessels from going in and out. And what
Speaker 1: options of the navy has? All right, maybe you have
Speaker 1: the counter that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's a very serious threat.
Speaker 10: I mean, we obviously have mind sweepers and things, and
Speaker 10: we're working that. We're trying to create ahead of time
Speaker 10: preempt some of those. I know that we've already attacked
Speaker 10: much of their naval capability. We taken down I think
Speaker 10: to this point seven Iranian Navy ships and so forth.
Speaker 10: I just read a report don't know the details. Electronic
Speaker 10: warfare against ships and GPS signals in the strait suppor
Speaker 10: moves also that could significantly disrupt the traffic going through.
Speaker 10: So it is a strategic choke point. But it's a
Speaker 10: mixed bag because if you knock out, if you close
Speaker 10: it totally, a lot of that oil is oil that's
Speaker 10: being supplied to China and other nations, and so if
Speaker 10: that's knocked out, then it many ways works to Iran's detriment.
Speaker 1: He is a retired US Army Major General. Bob D's
Speaker 1: on Scott Sloane Show on seven hundred wwe commanded the
Speaker 1: US Israeli Task Force or Missile Defense and joins the
Speaker 1: show with his insight on what's happening as we speak
Speaker 1: right now. This is the largest regional military build up,
Speaker 1: I believe since two thousand and three. A couple carrier groups,
Speaker 1: a dozen destroyers, you've got air assets. Is that force
Speaker 1: package that is sufficient enough for a sustained operation?
Speaker 2: Do we have to call in more support?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 10: Well, I think it's a definite force package.
Speaker 4: Now, what you have to realize.
Speaker 10: Is that you've got forces from the United States, You've
Speaker 10: got strategic command, you've got transportation command people that are
Speaker 10: providing from the United States assets that provide aerial refueling
Speaker 10: for many of the forces in region. We have long
Speaker 10: range bombers that come out of the intal United States.
Speaker 10: So yes, I think it's certainly enough in the region.
Speaker 10: It's a real dense package of force of capability.
Speaker 4: In the region.
Speaker 10: But we're a global power and so a lot of
Speaker 10: the power comes from the United.
Speaker 4: States other places.
Speaker 10: Also, other nations are starting to lend their support to
Speaker 10: include the Arab states that have been attacked by Iran
Speaker 10: of recent right.
Speaker 1: And the other thing too is I know Iran has
Speaker 1: some paramilitary forces and they're just been described think as
Speaker 1: the ace and a hole for unconventional warfare. So what
Speaker 1: should our troops expect in terms of a proxy retaliation
Speaker 1: or relatedvaliation involving allied parties from the Iranians both in
Speaker 1: the region.
Speaker 2: But what about here on US oil?
Speaker 10: Yeah, well, Hezballah has already started knocking ascending rockets towards
Speaker 10: Israel and there's an ongoing conflict on the northern nature
Speaker 10: of Israel right now. Domestically, as you know, there was
Speaker 10: a terrorism incident over the weekend in Austin, Texas.
Speaker 4: Pretty unusual, they.
Speaker 10: Say, terrorism incidents, suspected terrorism, and there'll be a lot
Speaker 10: of lone wolfs like this, And with four years of
Speaker 10: open border, there's probably a lot of valid sleeper cells
Speaker 10: that are otent that rise up. If, as many Iranian
Speaker 10: clerics say, this is an existential threat, this is the
Speaker 10: end times, this would be the time they would pull
Speaker 10: the trigger on all assets who are in the United
Speaker 10: States as well as around the world.
Speaker 1: Do you think by now we have a good handle
Speaker 1: on who is here to do that kind of work
Speaker 1: from our intelligence in stateside?
Speaker 4: I think absolutely we don't.
Speaker 10: I saw the amount we've been into infiltrated before nine
Speaker 10: to eleven in the sleeper cells, and now with the
Speaker 10: open border in twenty years, hence there's a lot more
Speaker 10: that are embedded in the United States.
Speaker 4: So we.
Speaker 10: Need to be on our toes. We're grateful for the
Speaker 10: account intelligence efforts of the FBI, but we're pretty vulnerable
Speaker 10: right now domestically as well as more domestically than we
Speaker 10: are internationally.
Speaker 1: Frankly, yeah, I wonder, you know, trying to pull all
Speaker 1: this stuff together. General D's and I tend to believe
Speaker 1: in Ocham's razor, which basically leads the most common sense explanation,
Speaker 1: usually the right one. And I don't want to give
Speaker 1: elected officials and administrators administrative set too much credit here
Speaker 1: for being long term planners or thinkers, because I don't
Speaker 1: think that's ever been the case. But in this regard,
Speaker 1: I look at what happened with Maduro and Venezuela, and
Speaker 1: that was a precursor. Allegedly to get well was to
Speaker 1: get rid of fentanyl, which really wasn't the day. We
Speaker 1: got oil out of that. And in addition to that,
Speaker 1: we also activated ICE, and their mobile eyes are going
Speaker 1: around from Minnesota and elsewhere. It'd be much easier for
Speaker 1: them to pivot to going from that kind of enforcement
Speaker 1: to terra cells and rooting those individuals out. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, you're going to shut down the Straight
Speaker 1: of Hormuz here choking about about twenty percent of the
Speaker 1: world oil supply. Now we have a steady supply of
Speaker 1: Venezuela oil coming into this. I think those two things
Speaker 1: with ICE but particular Venezuela, were pretext for this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not sure about the pretext for ICE.
Speaker 10: I do think that these problems are not separable. A
Speaker 10: lot of the ice operations are against people that are
Speaker 10: bad actors. Some have been bad actors in our potential
Speaker 10: terrorist threats, and so that'll be complementary. On the oil thing,
Speaker 10: it's hard to figure out. You know, you can say
Speaker 10: America is just trying to get oil, but if you
Speaker 10: go back, I know, my father in law was an
Speaker 10: oil man in Venezuela a long time ago. Venezuela's can
Speaker 10: be a very productive country with a very productive oil economy,
Speaker 10: but the Maduro regime and previous had just disrupted all that.
Speaker 10: So they were producing oil, but most of it was
Speaker 10: going to corrupt means the who.
Speaker 1: These have already demonstrated ability to strike our assets and
Speaker 1: survive sustained bombardment. That's another element here in country. How
Speaker 1: significant is that threat to well carrier groups like the
Speaker 1: USS Abraham. I was on the Lincoln for a cruise,
Speaker 1: the Abraham Lincoln and other naval assets in the region right.
Speaker 4: Now, Well, it's a significant threat. Uh.
Speaker 10: And they they they are right on the choke hold
Speaker 10: of the Straits of Horror moves there and so we
Speaker 10: got to continue to fight them. And it's certainly they're
Speaker 10: attacking Israel at times, but right now they're attacking American
Speaker 10: assets in the region and particularly shipping lanes in the
Speaker 10: region these days, with guided missile capabilities. Uh, you know
Speaker 10: with uh, without a lot of effort, that they can
Speaker 10: produce some significant outcomes. And if it's in the Straits
Speaker 10: of Horror Moves. Now, if we have that going on there,
Speaker 10: now the shipping is set down, shut down. I understand
Speaker 10: they've already been attacking old tankers in the Straits of
Speaker 10: Horror Moves, so significant. Scott, Yeah, and Abraham Lincoln's the
Speaker 10: impressive now, yeah, it really is.
Speaker 1: Those those carrier groups are amazing things when they get rolling. Uh,
Speaker 1: what is your threat assessment of Hesbala and they're.
Speaker 2: Rolling us.
Speaker 4: Well? Uh.
Speaker 10: I think today the Israelis reported.
Speaker 4: They they killed the.
Speaker 10: Key has the leader, one of the main terrorist leaders there.
Speaker 10: The Israelis will continue to attack that. A number of
Speaker 10: villages I think it's fifty villages in southern Lebanon have
Speaker 10: been directed to evacuate because Israelis could use ground operations
Speaker 10: there to shut this down, and certainly they're doing air operations.
Speaker 10: When I was the commander of the Israeli Combined Task
Speaker 10: Force for Missile Defense, I mean we even from the
Speaker 10: Beca Valley. Up at Lebanon, we had gliders that were
Speaker 10: coming down and those are hard to pick up coming
Speaker 10: down men on gliders with bombs or terrace to intent
Speaker 10: and so the Israelis are good at this, but they're
Speaker 10: fighting on all fronts right north southeast above.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well we got you got this three person transitional
Speaker 1: council because the head has been caught off and there's
Speaker 1: a lack of a clear command authority. Does that make
Speaker 1: things there for our troops more or less dangerous?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 10: I think it's more dangerous because here you have a
Speaker 10: wounded animal, one that we always had malintent towards us,
Speaker 10: and now they're wounded and they're striking out and to
Speaker 10: shoot the ballistic missiles towards their Arab neighbors and then
Speaker 10: claric towards US and civilian targets as well as military targets.
Speaker 10: They are pretty desperate. And they may say that they
Speaker 10: have a three person ruling council, but with that type
Speaker 10: of death and destruction at the top of their leadership,
Speaker 10: I suspect it's very fragmented at best.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, the Revolutionary Guard, of course here is probably going
Speaker 1: to try to consolidate power, because a full regime change
Speaker 1: doesn't really seem likely. Plus we're also bad at regime
Speaker 1: change here in the United States. We've talked about that.
Speaker 1: If they do indeed emerged stronger of this whole thing,
Speaker 1: is that a success or of failure.
Speaker 10: Well, I think that would not be a success because,
Speaker 10: as we say, this has gone on for forty seven years.
Speaker 10: So we really do need to change the intent of
Speaker 10: the nation of Iran from death to America, death Israel,
Speaker 10: death to many others in the area, to one of
Speaker 10: economic aiming economic prosperity and peaceful coalition in the region.
Speaker 1: Trump said, the bombing will continue as long and necessary.
Speaker 1: From your chair their general military planning standpoint, What does
Speaker 1: that off ramp look like? I mean, what, how do
Speaker 1: you declare, hey, victory, We're going to pull the hell
Speaker 1: out of here. And how many weeks or months do
Speaker 1: you think that takes?
Speaker 10: Yeah, well, well I would say weeks, not months. Uh
Speaker 10: And and I would say it all depends on what
Speaker 10: we see. If we see Iran continuing to shoot missiles
Speaker 10: and and other things, you know, the naval and the
Speaker 10: Straits of Hormos, we will pursue all of that until
Speaker 10: it's no longer about you know, a valt a threat
Speaker 10: and that be depending upon the BDA, as I mentioned
Speaker 10: the battle damage assessment and the overall campaign objectives, it
Speaker 10: could be you know, a few weeks before that happens.
Speaker 10: I don't think we're talking months though.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Is there back channels going on within that three member
Speaker 1: panel to determine what leadership looks like? Is that something
Speaker 1: that's negotiated or are we just completely obliterate them for
Speaker 1: they cry uncle?
Speaker 4: Well? I think it depends. We got to see that.
Speaker 10: Does this three member panel do they really speak for
Speaker 10: the nation of our end? Are they really controlling the
Speaker 10: IRGC or are they just puppets at this point in time?
Speaker 10: And and you know, if the IRGC is the one
Speaker 10: calling the shots and continuing to find we need to
Speaker 10: defeat them, if not destroy them, before this conflict is
Speaker 10: properly ended.
Speaker 2: All right, weeks not months is what you or guess
Speaker 2: would be?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: And informed one of that? And what the X how
Speaker 1: we how we pull out of this thing looks entirely
Speaker 1: different than what the aftermath is of course too, is
Speaker 1: all in question. He is made your General US Army
Speaker 1: retired Bob D's He commanded the US is rarely combined
Speaker 1: task force or missile defense back in the day now
Speaker 1: at the National Center for Healthy Vests in Virginia.
Speaker 2: General, thanks for the time. I appreciate We'll talk again soon. B.
Speaker 4: Welsercot, thank you.
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Speaker 1: I just wish there was more going on the world
Speaker 1: to discuss when it comes to finances.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you want to talk about this.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about financial imageddon that's happening today.
Speaker 2: That's what I want to talk about.
Speaker 8: All right, we can do that. How do you want
Speaker 8: to start?
Speaker 2: No one listening is going to ever be able to retire.
Speaker 2: Quit there.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to get a If you have three jobs,
Speaker 1: you're gonna need five. Right, Is that what's going on?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: So we we, along with Israel launch Coordinator strikes at Iran,
Speaker 1: targeting military, government, energy infrastructure. We're bombing the hell out
Speaker 1: of them right now, and Tehran is responding. And then
Speaker 1: you go, okay, well, gas prices, let's start there. Are
Speaker 1: we prepared to see gas prices go up to well
Speaker 1: or about three a gallon I think nationally right now,
Speaker 1: but maybe four or five dollars a gallon?
Speaker 2: Where's the breaking point here? Do we know yet?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 11: I think you know, if you ask if we meeting
Speaker 11: the average citizen of the United States, probably not.
Speaker 8: You know, we're a little bit worried about it.
Speaker 11: And I think you have to understand and unpacked this
Speaker 11: from a big picture standpoint.
Speaker 8: You know, the main issue with this Iran conflict is oil.
Speaker 11: Prices, and you know the immediate problem is probably going
Speaker 11: to be cast prices that we're going to see at
Speaker 11: the pump, you know, when we you know, get gas
Speaker 11: to go to work or whatever it is. But from
Speaker 11: a larger sense, it's more about the supply issues, you know,
Speaker 11: And we've talked about the Straight of Horn Moves over
Speaker 11: the last couple of years and how important that is.
Speaker 11: And the Straight of War Moves is about a twenty
Speaker 11: four mile stretch through the Persian Gulf where about twenty
Speaker 11: percent of our total oil supply from a global standpoint
Speaker 11: comes through.
Speaker 8: And right now that's locked up.
Speaker 4: Well what does that mean.
Speaker 11: Well, yeah, prices are probably going to rise a little bit,
Speaker 11: but in a larger sense, from an economic standpoint, that
Speaker 11: can significantly impact the global economy. And the reason that
Speaker 11: it can impact the global economy is not you and
Speaker 11: me getting from work and back, but the cost of
Speaker 11: energy and shipping costs. So if the cost of energy
Speaker 11: increases because the lack of supply from the Straight of
Speaker 11: Horror Moves, you know, is cut off, that will translate
Speaker 11: to higher trasportation costs, which will translate to inflation. And
Speaker 11: that's certainly what we don't want to see. And you
Speaker 11: have to remember from a market standpoint, The markets are
Speaker 11: predictive indicators of how we feel about the economy looking
Speaker 11: out six months to a year, and investors right now
Speaker 11: are saying, oh no, if oil prices continue to rise,
Speaker 11: that's going to translate to higher inflation if we don't
Speaker 11: get this thing worked out. And so that's why you're
Speaker 11: starting to see the market's tumble a little bit, because
Speaker 11: investors are fearful because we don't know what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know Congress meets his meeting now as a
Speaker 1: matter of fact on this issue, and I'm sure that's
Speaker 1: first and foremost is like, hey, well, looks like we
Speaker 1: finally beat inflation. It took a long time, and now
Speaker 1: that may all be undone in the drop of a bomb.
Speaker 11: Yeah, But unfortunately, I think that you know, we've kind
Speaker 11: of anticipated a little bit of this, so our supplies
Speaker 11: have increased quite a bit here in the United States.
Speaker 11: You know, we we did anticipate a little bit of
Speaker 11: conflict in the Middle East, and other global powers have
Speaker 11: as well. We have an East, our oil production, we
Speaker 11: have increased tracking those types of things, but you know,
Speaker 11: ultimately that we still need the oil that comes out
Speaker 11: of that region. You know, Now, Iran's total oil production
Speaker 11: amounts about four percent of the total global production, So
Speaker 11: is that going to have an impact. No, but there
Speaker 11: are other nations that ship goods out of that area.
Speaker 11: The other thing that's going to have an impactful outcome
Speaker 11: there is we get a lot of the world's fertilizer
Speaker 11: from that area as well, and so that's going to
Speaker 11: hurt the agriculture industry. So here's the timeline on this.
Speaker 11: I think if this lasts a week, it's probably not
Speaker 11: a problem. If if it goes two weeks, it becomes
Speaker 11: more of a serious problem. If it goes three, then
Speaker 11: we can see some impact, you know, from an economic standpoint.
Speaker 11: You know, when you when you look at the technical
Speaker 11: aspect of it, when you look at oil prices, oil
Speaker 11: is up about fifteen percent or so year over year.
Speaker 11: If it really when we go back and we look
Speaker 11: at the data on a year over year basis, it
Speaker 11: doesn't become a significant crisis until oil prices get to
Speaker 11: be about seventy five percent higher year over year.
Speaker 8: So we're still a little bit far off of that.
Speaker 8: But if you see those.
Speaker 11: Prices increase at seven eight nine percent on a daily basis,
Speaker 11: we can get there pretty quickly.
Speaker 1: Okay, So when you say the most valuable piece of water,
Speaker 1: the most important piece of water in the entire world
Speaker 1: would be the Strait of Horror Moves.
Speaker 2: I mean what you just described.
Speaker 1: They're twenty percent of oil and also liquid natural gas
Speaker 1: goes through that quarridor. I can't think of something that
Speaker 1: the world depends on more than the Straight of Horror Moves,
Speaker 1: can you.
Speaker 11: Yeah, whether it's the Strait of Malacca, which is kind
Speaker 11: of a north of Australia, kind of in the Indonesia area.
Speaker 11: But the thing about the Straight of War Moves is
Speaker 11: that it's so tiny. It's only twenty four miles wide,
Speaker 11: so it's very easy for any nation to clog that up.
Speaker 11: And that's exactly what I ran did. I mean they
Speaker 11: you know, they basically cut that area off and we're
Speaker 11: trying to figure out ways to get around it. And
Speaker 11: so now it becomes a geopolitical issue. You know, who's
Speaker 11: the leadership and I ran, and who do we talk to.
Speaker 11: They're saying that they're not willing to negotiate. Donald Trump
Speaker 11: is saying, hey, we're open to talking. They're saying, well,
Speaker 11: we're not talking because you know, you guys came and
Speaker 11: bombed us and kill our leader and all this kind
Speaker 11: of stuff. So, you know, as this continues to escalate,
Speaker 11: we have to watch it very carefully, not from a
Speaker 11: political standpoint, but from an economic stand sure, we have
Speaker 11: to be nimble enough to understand not only you know,
Speaker 11: what happens if this continues, but where are the way
Speaker 11: that we can you know, position our investments that are
Speaker 11: going to be more advantageous during this period of time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he and is Andy shaff are all worth financial
Speaker 1: talking about war and of course the impact on the economy.
Speaker 2: Gas.
Speaker 1: We're talking about natural gas and liquid gas too for
Speaker 1: that matter too. As we move into the summer months now,
Speaker 1: so we're not going to freeze to death, but oil
Speaker 1: and we're also doing the summer blunt switch over right now,
Speaker 1: which is driving things up. You mentioned about four percent
Speaker 1: of the world's oil comes from Iran. What about Venezuela.
Speaker 1: We have full access now to Venezuela. The tap has
Speaker 1: been opened up to full. But what percentage is that
Speaker 1: does that offset Iran?
Speaker 11: It does to some, but you know there's still some
Speaker 11: you know, I would say, you know, process issues there,
Speaker 11: you know, because most of the stuff that comes out
Speaker 11: of Venezuela is unrefined, and you know, that's why China
Speaker 11: has a big, you know, a big interest over in
Speaker 11: Venezuela because they have a big refining industry and things
Speaker 11: like that, and so you know, and I don't want
Speaker 11: to get too fearg into politics here, but all of
Speaker 11: this is going to significantly hurt China. China was the
Speaker 11: biggest importer of Iran oil and until large degree they
Speaker 11: were getting a big discount because we have all these
Speaker 11: sanctions on Iran and China was one of the few
Speaker 11: countries that was actually buying their crew and so they're
Speaker 11: going to have a big impact. Yeah, you're going to
Speaker 11: be impacted by it. And also they were getting a
Speaker 11: lot of Venezuela oil. So I think, you know, in
Speaker 11: the big scheme of things, from a geopolitical standpoint, China
Speaker 11: has the most to lose in all this, and so
Speaker 11: that's why you haven't heard a lot coming from them
Speaker 11: because they want to make sure that this gets all
Speaker 11: worked out as well, because they're going to be the
Speaker 11: country that really is impacted, you know, from a geopolitical standpoint.
Speaker 1: Yeah, gotcha, Andy Shafer from all Worth Financial, What would
Speaker 1: it take for us to fall into recession on its own.
Speaker 1: Could could it be a couple of weeks of very
Speaker 1: high gas prices? I mean, what would it take for
Speaker 1: all of this to be undone? It would take a while.
Speaker 11: So right now, you know, from a domestic economic standpoint,
Speaker 11: you know, we're we're actually performing fairly well. You know,
Speaker 11: we still look at the labor market, unemployment rates still
Speaker 11: around four point three percent, inflation is still coming trending down.
Speaker 11: You know, you take I ran out of it. You know,
Speaker 11: we're in a pretty good spot. You know, we continue
Speaker 11: to see you know, jobs be in a pretty good place.
Speaker 11: So you know, when we look at our projection from
Speaker 11: a GDP standpoint, we're looking at expansion somewhere around three percent.
Speaker 4: For the year.
Speaker 11: So if this continues on and it goes, you know,
Speaker 11: months and months, that could have an impact on inflation,
Speaker 11: and that's when we start to see some of the
Speaker 11: indicators start to lead towards recession. But right now you
Speaker 11: have to understand you cannot get caught up in the
Speaker 11: minutia of geopolitical activities. Seventy five set of the time.
Speaker 11: When we go through these things, the market will rebound
Speaker 11: in the next three to twelve months following these major
Speaker 11: geo political events, and so you know, if we you know,
Speaker 11: you see the markets fall, it's it's largely due to
Speaker 11: investors reacting to these headlines. And you have to remain
Speaker 11: confident and remain secure that your portfolio and your planet
Speaker 11: remains in good shapes. Now, there are some things that
Speaker 11: you can do. You can look at certain different types
Speaker 11: of investments when you when we go through these defents
Speaker 11: and aerospace are always good. Energy and natural resources, go
Speaker 11: into cybersecurity. CrowdStrike, for instance, is probably a good play
Speaker 11: consumer states Procter and gamble here locally, that's also a
Speaker 11: good investment choice. But you don't want to make get
Speaker 11: out of the markets. You just want to make small
Speaker 11: tweaks to your portfolio. Yeah, it makes sense, but here's
Speaker 11: the thing. You say, Hey, don't panic, hold steady. It's
Speaker 11: going to improve, but always bounces back.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: But I'm looking at the ticker right now, I'm looking
Speaker 1: at the DOW, I'm looking at the NASDAC, I'm looking
Speaker 1: at the Rustle, I'm looking at all these things, and
Speaker 1: they're all they're all tanking because the people who have
Speaker 1: people are selling, they're not buying or no they're not
Speaker 1: holding they're moving positions, and so the sky is falling.
Speaker 1: Those are much smarter people than I am.
Speaker 2: Or are they not?
Speaker 8: They're not And that's that's exactly the thing.
Speaker 1: My money's tied about to people that are dumber than me.
Speaker 1: That's not confidence inspiring.
Speaker 11: Yeah, well, well, and I think that's when you really
Speaker 11: make portal craft.
Speaker 2: We're in trouble.
Speaker 11: Yeah, but you know, stocks have experienced corrections on errors
Speaker 11: fourteen percent per year since nineteen eighty. You know, the
Speaker 11: average annual return total during those years was a positive
Speaker 11: thirteen percent, And so eighty three percent of every year
Speaker 11: that you're invested is positive. So what side of the
Speaker 11: coin do you want to be on? You want to
Speaker 11: be on the side of being invested or not. Well,
Speaker 11: if you're eighty three percent of the time is positive
Speaker 11: and we always go through these types of shocks, you
Speaker 11: want to make sure that you are invested. You know,
Speaker 11: this is specifically relevant. When the Gulf War began in
Speaker 11: nineteen ninety one, Okay had the nine to eleven attacks
Speaker 11: back two thousand and one, the Iraq evasion invasion back
Speaker 11: in two thousand and three. All of these years were positive.
Speaker 11: By the end of the year. When Russia a next
Speaker 11: crimea back in twenty fourteen, the market was up for
Speaker 11: the year fourteen percent. When Hamas attacked Israel just a
Speaker 11: couple of years a few years ago, the market was
Speaker 11: up thirty four percent. So we go through these things.
Speaker 11: You just have to make sure that you remain calm
Speaker 11: and remain poised, let things play out, and remember that
Speaker 11: the markets are different and the economy is different from
Speaker 11: geopolitical events.
Speaker 1: Okay, So if you go back and look all these
Speaker 1: conflicts nine to eleven, the Arab spring you mentioned, rocks,
Speaker 1: Russia invading Ukraine, all these things, at some point it
Speaker 1: does start to swing the other way, but you've got
Speaker 1: to give it not seven days, but maybe seven months.
Speaker 11: Yeah, And like I said, you know, seventy five percent
Speaker 11: of the time during these conflicts the market is up.
Speaker 11: And so you just have to have a little bit
Speaker 11: of poison. Understand what the underlying data says. And again,
Speaker 11: the economy in the United States is based on you
Speaker 11: and me, Scott. It's about the consumer. As long as
Speaker 11: we're employed and as long as we have the ability
Speaker 11: to earn a wage that translates to higher corporate prices
Speaker 11: and higher corporate gains and those types of things, and
Speaker 11: that's really what matters. It's the health of our economy.
Speaker 11: Our economy is so robust. Iran's economy is really about
Speaker 11: the size of West Virginia's. You have to keep that
Speaker 11: in perspective.
Speaker 1: Okay, No, that makes a lot of sense, Andy, And
Speaker 1: so it just kind of stayed the course. Maybe make
Speaker 1: some adjustments because even in a crisis, there's a hell
Speaker 1: of a lot of opportunities. You said, you know, put
Speaker 1: a little more into cybersecurity. We're going to need that.
Speaker 1: I just spoke to Chris and I Heist the first
Speaker 1: hout of the show at nine oh six. If you
Speaker 1: missed it, it's on the podcast at the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1: But he was saying, hey, listen, you know, the likelihood
Speaker 1: of us being attacked physically as we did not eleven
Speaker 1: is much much lower than it would be with a
Speaker 1: cyber attack, specifically critical infrastructure, water, electricity, things like that,
Speaker 1: but also denial of service. It's all possible. It's on
Speaker 1: play because Iran and its proxies have been doing that
Speaker 1: for about fifteen years. Three years ago, they were able
Speaker 1: to shut down a water supply uh here in the
Speaker 1: United States briefly, if you recall that whole story, we
Speaker 1: could see that on a much bigger scale, that would
Speaker 1: read probably just as much, if not more havoc because
Speaker 1: now you're you're you're you're playing with critical infrastructure here.
Speaker 1: That is something we all fear. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: according to him, is like the government is less prepared
Speaker 1: today than it was six years ago, five years ago,
Speaker 1: which is is unbelievable.
Speaker 11: Yeah, and I don't I don't know if I believe that.
Speaker 11: I would like to hear statistics on that. You know,
Speaker 11: because you know, from a corporate standpoint, you know, one
Speaker 11: of our biggest outflows that all were financial, is security,
Speaker 11: and and I think most companies recognize the importance of it.
Speaker 11: I mean, you have to have specific uh firewalls, you
Speaker 11: have to you have to test it, you have to
Speaker 11: have you know, a lot of security within your own infrastructure.
Speaker 11: From a technology standpoint, otherwise you're not gonna have business
Speaker 11: because you have to make sure that not only is
Speaker 11: your business safe and secure, but the information of your
Speaker 11: clients is. So our second biggest outflow other than our payroll,
Speaker 11: is through security, and I think that's important. I think
Speaker 11: most companies in corporation fall in line with that, so
Speaker 11: I'd be curious to hear what he has to say.
Speaker 11: You know, as far as the government is less prepared,
Speaker 11: because I feel like we pourt more and more money
Speaker 11: into that because we know how important it is.
Speaker 1: Here Andy Shaffer all Worth Financial. Their show airs at
Speaker 1: six tonight on our sister station fifty five KRC. It's
Speaker 1: simply money. Andy jumps in Tuesdays. Not a good Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Hopefully next week will be better. We'll find out, buddy,
Speaker 1: Thanks again, appreciate it.
Speaker 2: How it going all right? Scott talking? Here you go,
Speaker 2: So there you go.
Speaker 1: You may think that these people are really really smart
Speaker 1: that are running them, but they're apparently they're not.
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