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Speaker 1: This is a podcast from WOR. Here's Larry Minty with

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Speaker 1: more of the WOR Saturday Morning Show. After former President

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Speaker 1: Barack Obama said on a podcast that aliens are real,

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Speaker 1: President Trump said he's going to release all government files

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Speaker 1: on aliens and UFOs. A lot of people are very

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Speaker 1: interested to see those files, including iHeart podcast host and

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Speaker 1: futurist Kevin SURRILLI let's get to the President Obama and

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Speaker 1: President Trump now having a back and forth about aliens.

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Speaker 2: You know I personally, and I hope you would agree

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Speaker 2: with me. I actually am kind of ticked off of

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Speaker 2: both of them. What took so long? I mean seriously,

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Speaker 2: because this has been something that you know, I have

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Speaker 2: been a huge, huge supporter of transparency for a very

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Speaker 2: long time. And you know, for those of us who

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Speaker 2: scientifically examine in this question, we've been called everything from

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Speaker 2: crazy and kookie. And that's just putting it mildly. I'm

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Speaker 2: not sitting in the corner where the tinfoil hat. But

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Speaker 2: the fact of the matter is, because we are living

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Speaker 2: at the start of the Fifth Industrial Revolution, and because

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Speaker 2: of artificial intelligence, we are making Galileo like discoveries every

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Speaker 2: single day. I mean, it was just a couple of

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Speaker 2: decades ago where it would be front page news if

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Speaker 2: we discovered a new planet. But now we're discovering hundreds

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Speaker 2: and thousands of new solar systems every single week because

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Speaker 2: of these telescopes that we're able to do. So, you know,

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Speaker 2: I think for there's a political lens through this, and

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Speaker 2: it is kind of interesting. And I go into this

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Speaker 2: on the podcast and a couple of episodes that are

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Speaker 2: about to be released because I interview one of the

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Speaker 2: most well respected executive director of the Sole Foundation, doctor

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Speaker 2: Peter Skayfish, total non partisan guy who academically looks at

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Speaker 2: this issue of aliens and UAPs. And it actually used

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Speaker 2: to be the Democrats who were in front of the

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Speaker 2: Republicans on this. If you remember, back in the nineteen nineties,

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Speaker 2: former President Bill Clinton actually wanted to send special agents

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Speaker 2: to Roswell. And one of his political topics that he

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Speaker 2: would frequently draw on, not all the time, but he

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Speaker 2: would espouse on, was getting to the bottom of Roswell

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Speaker 2: in Area fifty one. Flash forward to where we are

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Speaker 2: today in twenty twenty six with President Trump. President Trump,

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Speaker 2: in the last campaign cycle has said repeatedly that he

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Speaker 2: was going to release these files. His Secretary of State,

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Speaker 2: Marco Rubio, introduced bipartiesan legislation with Senator Kirston Gillibrand, a Democrat.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they agree on practically nothing, but when they

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Speaker 2: were in the Senate together, they agreed on introducing bipartisan

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Speaker 2: legislation to uncover the transparency of the Pentagon, which has

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Speaker 2: a special program, has a special program. This is fact.

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Speaker 2: This is out there in congressional hearings looking at this

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Speaker 1: I get it. I want to back up a little bit.

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Speaker 1: So do you believe we've been visited by aliens?

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Speaker 2: I believe that. Listen, I don't have you know, some

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Speaker 2: trust me. If I had the files, I'd release them immediately.

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Speaker 2: The public has the right to know. Plus, respectfully, it

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Speaker 2: would be good for my journalism career. So I'm a capitalist,

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Speaker 2: come on, So you know, once a bloomberg, always a bloomberg, right,

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Speaker 2: So at least in the economic sense. So I think

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Speaker 2: I think I've lost my train of thought. No, do

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Speaker 2: I believe that we've been visited. I believe that there

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Speaker 2: are ten The facts are. Here's what we know. There

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Speaker 2: are tens of thousands of incidents of people reporting I

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Speaker 2: have personally heard in Washington, DC at events with diplomats

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Speaker 2: and members of Congress. I've seen the hearings. There are

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Speaker 2: whistleblowers who believe that something is going on. My argument

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Speaker 2: is not to uncover everything, like what I want to

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Speaker 2: have happened, truthfully, is for there to be a transparent

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Speaker 2: system and accountability, and the public private partnership and academia

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Speaker 2: and the power of the US military and the power

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Speaker 2: of the government working together on this because the alternative,

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Speaker 2: if we're alone in the universe, is quite depressing. So

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Speaker 2: I would hope that we weren't alone in the union. Mayor.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot of words for a simple question. I

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Speaker 1: asked it, if you believe it, If you believe it?

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Speaker 1: Do you believe you do? I can tell you. I

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Speaker 1: can tell because you're so into this. Do you believe

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Speaker 1: we've been visited?

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Speaker 2: That's so because I was just at the National Press

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Speaker 2: Club and there was an event where they brought out

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Speaker 2: and they were they were very scared recalling this incident

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Speaker 2: Vargenia and it's and there were members of Congress there

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Speaker 2: and like bipartisan representation and do I believe that they're lying.

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Speaker 2: I don't believe they're lying. But do I know for

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Speaker 2: a fact that what they believe they saw they actually saw.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. But this is what bothers me. I

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Speaker 2: don't understand why we're not pulling this. Like, as a Catholic,

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Speaker 2: the Church and Judaism are very well set up for

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Speaker 2: the existence of aliens because God created everything. I believe that.

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Speaker 2: But what bothers me is that we're not all working

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Speaker 2: together in our country to understand our place in the universe.

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Speaker 1: So that's a difficult question. We are exploring our place

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Speaker 1: in the universe. We absolutely are, as you said, there

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Speaker 1: are miracles, there's discoveries every day as we're going out

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Speaker 1: further and further as we clan in our own universe.

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Speaker 1: But you are in our own solar system. But what's

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Speaker 1: fascinating to me is because I think you're a really

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Speaker 1: smart guy, and what you talk about is fascinating. You

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Speaker 1: talk about things that I don't know at all. But

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Speaker 1: the fact that it seems like at the root of this,

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Speaker 1: you believe that aliens were here, and I think it

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Speaker 1: seemed to be you seem to think that the government's

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Speaker 1: hiding something.

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Speaker 2: I think that it's possible that they have visited US.

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Speaker 2: I have not seen the evidence. If I did see

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Speaker 2: the evidence, I would gladly change my position. I definitely

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Speaker 2: think it's possible that I will say, but do I

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Speaker 2: think they're hiding something? I think that for I think

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Speaker 2: that there's reason for wanting the US to have an

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Speaker 2: edge in this information against bad actors like China and

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Speaker 2: Russia and Iran. But I think we're at the tipping point,

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Speaker 2: and we've been at a tipping point where the cats

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Speaker 2: out of the bag, you know, and you've got to

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Speaker 2: be transparent with people, candidly, you know. And we go

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Speaker 2: into this on an upcoming episode, there would be I've

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Speaker 2: touched on the religious implications, which I think are fine.

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Speaker 1: I know, I get it. We have to have this discussion.

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Speaker 1: The reason I make the reason I laughed it wasn't

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Speaker 1: at you. The reason I laughed is I just thought,

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Speaker 1: but you're gonna get a lot of people coming to

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Speaker 1: your podcast right now. You got a lot of people

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Speaker 1: you were saying a moment ago, you're a capitalist first, Well,

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Speaker 1: you are going to get a lot of people that

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Speaker 1: want to hear what you have to say on this issue.

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Speaker 1: And let me tell people how to get there. They

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Speaker 1: go on the iHeartRadio app and your podcast is called

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Speaker 1: Hello Future Futurist, Kevin Siilli. Thanks so much, Kevin, it

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Speaker 1: was good to talk to you. This has been a

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