1 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: Six, nineteen seven hundred WLW the CINCINNTI Tax Resolution, Power 2 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: by Tope Shot and Roundtable Show. We're in Long Necks 3 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: in Richwood, brought to you in part by Hawksword Blood Centers, 4 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: Hawksword Donors Saved Lives always presented by Postman Law. We 5 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: love Postman Law. Lance Pacalister, Rocky Boyman. Let's welcome in 6 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: the man who joins us every week. What a treat 7 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: it was to have him joined me last week, sitting 8 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: in that very spot you were in, Rocky, He's all 9 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: over the Bengals for CLNS Sincywithy dot com, host of 10 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: the Jungle Roar podcast on YouTube, the man they call Trags, 11 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:41,599 Speaker 1: Mike Petralia. How are we doing? 12 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 2: Lance, Rocky? Thank you very much for having me and Lance. 13 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 2: It was a terrific meal last week. So I'm still 14 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 2: savoring that. Believe it or not, There you go. 15 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: Let's let's start with I guess injury news or projections 16 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: to tomorrow night. Trey listed his question, do you believe 17 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: there's any chance he plays to borrow NID? 18 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 3: Yeah? 19 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: I do. 20 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: I don't think the Bengals are playing games. I think 21 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: they know they need Trey Henderson. It's a hip issue 22 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 2: and Rocky, you know, those things can be touch and go. 23 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 3: It can be. 24 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 2: Cause of backspathom like it did at the end of 25 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 2: the first half and it locked up and he didn't 26 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 2: get back in the game. And I don't know how 27 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 2: much of that was game situation related last Sunday in 28 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 2: Green Bay. But after I'm sure hours and hours and 29 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 2: hours of treatment this week, if he can get back 30 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: on the field, I think he will. And as I 31 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 2: tweeted about a half hour ago, what would make it 32 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: doubly important is it would be only the third time 33 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 2: this year that the Bengals have had Shamar Stewart and 34 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson on the field at the same time. 35 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 4: I charge one of the surprises, at least for me 36 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 4: from last week's game, and I don't know how much 37 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 4: tip off you had coming into that game, but was 38 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 4: the lack of snaps for Logan Wilson and. 39 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 3: Barrett cartery Berrick Carr. 40 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 4: Got sixty one snaps. On one hand, yes, Logan Wilson 41 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 4: hasn't made a ton of splash plays, but also he 42 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 4: hasn't been terrible. What was the reason I guess for 43 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 4: giving Barrett Carter so many snaps? In his first start. 44 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 2: I think it's forward looking, rocky. I think they think 45 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 2: that simply Barrett Carter and the Demetrius Knight junior have 46 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 2: the best opportunity to cover the most space, especially in 47 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 2: nickel situations. And I think Al Golden, and he even 48 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 2: acknowledged this to us yesterday, it would rather have those 49 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: two young players get up to speed quickly and pay 50 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 2: the price of missing a couple of plays. Unfortunately, one 51 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 2: of those plays resulted in Josh Jacob's parting of the 52 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 2: sea and running right up the a gap in for 53 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 2: a fourteen yard touchdown. That was a killer maybe twenty 54 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 2: four to ten, and Al Golden's like, well, we got 55 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 2: to live with part of that, I guess to get 56 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 2: these guys up to I think Logan Wilson is a 57 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 2: heady player. 58 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 3: He's a leader. 59 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 2: Players love being around him in the locker room. But 60 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 2: the Bengals are making a decision at this point that 61 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 2: they would trade out the younger speed and quickness rather 62 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 2: than have Logan Wilson's knowledge and quite frankly, is tackling ability. 63 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 2: One thing that stood out to me, and it stood 64 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 2: out to a lot of people. Bengals had nineteen mistackles 65 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 2: against Green Bay. That's the most in the Zach Taylor era. 66 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 2: That's saying quite a bit. 67 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: Treggs logan seems a little unclear on the messaging he's 68 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: getting from the coaches with this decision. How is he 69 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: handling all of this that has taken place this week? 70 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 2: Well, he couldn't have handled it better than he did 71 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 2: yesterday with us. I was in there, I was in 72 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 2: the locker room, and the logan was saying, how much 73 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 2: he's going to pour in to Barrett Carter and make 74 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 2: sure that he is up to speed on the defense 75 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 2: is humanly possible because frankly, that's his role as a 76 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 2: captain on defense. He's one of three captains along with 77 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 2: bj Hill and Trey Henderson. And sometimes you've got to 78 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 2: live with going through difficult parts of your career. He 79 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 2: even got very philosophical and said that when his kids 80 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 2: grow up, he's going to reflect on a time like 81 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: this where things didn't go his way. 82 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 3: He got demoted, he. 83 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,239 Speaker 2: Wasn't playing as much as he would like, but still 84 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 2: he found a way mentally to get through it. And 85 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 2: that's the way Logan Wilson has always handled things, and 86 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 2: that's why I think the Bengals keep him around because 87 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 2: he's not only a heady player, but he's got the 88 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 2: right temperament in a locker room that can go south 89 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 2: quick when you've lost four in a row and you've 90 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 2: just been benched tragers. 91 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 4: What as Joe Flacco said, if anything, about how much 92 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 4: more progress can be made now getting a second week 93 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 4: in this system and learning the burbage and getting comfortable 94 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 4: with the players here this week. 95 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 2: I think really what he said yesterday, Rocky was that 96 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 2: he knows where the receivers, namely Jamar and t are 97 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 2: going to be when they run their routes. 98 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 3: I think in that first half, you don't know. 99 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 2: For sure how the Stars are going to run their 100 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 2: routes until they run their routes in a game. 101 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 3: Now. 102 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 2: Joe Flacco especially, you could see it in the first 103 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 2: half he didn't feel that comfortable, had very little rhythm. 104 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 2: They came out, they established the running game, and I 105 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 2: don't think Flaco felt as rushed, even for a forty 106 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 2: year old. When you get thrown into a new system 107 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 2: and in five days are expected to pick up a 108 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 2: pass first offense, that's a lot to expect, even for 109 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 2: a guy that has eighteen years of NFL experience. Well, 110 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 2: he got the first half out of the way. I 111 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 2: think he acclimated very quickly, and I think he believes 112 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 2: that he's going to have a much better time tomorrow 113 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 2: night against the Steelers on a short week because the 114 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 2: defense doesn't have as much time to prepare what the 115 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 2: Bengals are going to want to do with Joe Flacco. 116 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 3: I think he sees that as an advantage. But look, 117 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 3: I'm old school. 118 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 2: The Bengals need to run the ball, and their lack 119 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 2: of pass protection is to me directly related to their 120 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: inability to win at the line of scrimmage and run 121 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 2: the ball. 122 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: Treggs I said of Joe Flacco last week, and I'll 123 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: say it again this week. Prior to him arriving here, 124 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: I only heard sound bites of him over his career. 125 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 1: The more I hear him talk in those press conferences, 126 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: the more impressed I am in terms of just how 127 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: wise and reflective and calm he appears to be. What's 128 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: your impression of him from that standpoint? 129 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 3: Exactly that lamp. 130 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 2: That he's calm, he doesn't get blustered in the pocket, 131 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 2: the game doesn't speed up on him, doesn't mean he's 132 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 2: going to compleat every pass, doesn't mean he's going to 133 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 2: not miss some passes or you know, throw the ball 134 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 2: away early when maybe there. 135 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 3: Was a play to be made. We saw that, I. 136 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 2: Think once or twice in the first half last week. 137 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 2: But he doesn't get flustered. And I think when the Bengals, 138 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 2: the Bengals were smart to go out and get a 139 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 2: quarterback like Flaco. Yes, he's forty, but he is someone 140 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 2: you can trust to try and learn the offense as 141 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 2: quickly as he's been required to learn it, go out 142 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 2: and execute it. 143 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 3: And he is a smart quarterback. 144 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 2: He's a winning quarterback that knows the Steelers, knows the 145 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 2: AFC North, that carries a lot of value. And if 146 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 2: Joe Burrow is indeed out until the second or third 147 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 2: week in December, the Bengals, to me, the magic number 148 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 2: is seven wins. That means, if they can get five 149 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 2: wins with Joe Flacco, they've got a chance for Joe 150 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 2: Burrow to come back, maybe run. 151 00:07:58,680 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 3: The table go ten and seven. 152 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 2: I think long term, that's what Joe Flacco gives the 153 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 2: Bengals a realistic chance of accomplishing. 154 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 4: I mean, to your guys point, he like has the 155 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 4: calmness of a serial killer. I mean he really does. 156 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 4: And Joe Burrow does too. I think that's one thing 157 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 4: that makes him great. But yeah, Joe Flacco is almost 158 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 4: expressionless on the sideline, which is probably a good a 159 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 4: good quality have for a quarterback. Tracks in terms of 160 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 4: of this Steelers team, what of the Bengals coaches have 161 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 4: been talking about in terms of you know, you know, 162 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 4: obviously have a great defense and Aaron Rodgers is playing 163 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 4: at a high level, but with some specific things they've 164 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 4: pointed out to how they got a battle against the 165 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 4: Steelers here tomorrow night. 166 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 2: Well, I mean it starts with their front seven right 167 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 2: in their front, their front line. Even Jamar Chase said 168 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 2: that yesterday. They know that they've got to get off 169 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 2: their releases quick because the Steelers have always had a 170 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 2: great front. They've always done damage against the Bengals. And 171 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 2: again I go back, if you have a really good 172 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 2: physical run attack, you can counter some of that and 173 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 2: diffuse it a little bit to give your pass blockers 174 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 2: a little bit more of an honest attempt to. 175 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 3: Pick up these path rushers. 176 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 2: If you're dropping back, you know, eight out of ten 177 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 2: times you're in trouble and Alex high Smith and TJ. 178 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 3: Watt. They're going to come get you, Damn Hayward. 179 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 2: Obviously, They've got guys along the front line that are 180 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 2: game wreckers. That's what they do, and that is the 181 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 2: strategy of the Steelers and always has been as long 182 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 2: as Mike Tomlin's been there. 183 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 3: And I don't expect that to change this week. One 184 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 3: thing the. 185 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 2: Steelers have done a very good job of in the 186 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 2: first in their first five games, going four and one, 187 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 2: is taking the ball away, something the Bengals have preached 188 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 2: and desperately wanted from their team, but they haven't done 189 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 2: it at the rate that the Steelers have. 190 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 3: And I think obviously that's the key to watch tomorrow night. 191 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: Traig's not to get lost a storyline, not to get 192 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: lost in the shuffle. And maybe for the update for 193 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: those just getting in their car, I have not heard 194 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: the news. Not only are the Bengals going to be 195 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: without Mike Yasicki for a while, but they're without Tanner 196 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: Hudson tomorrow night as well. 197 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 2: Correct, Right, that's correct, And I'm glad you brought that up, Lance, 198 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 2: because that means Noah fan stepped into more of a 199 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 2: primary role. I think a lot of people have been 200 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 2: disappointed with the production of Noah Fan and want to 201 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 2: see him pick it up. They know that he's done 202 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 2: it before with Denver and Seattle. He needs to start 203 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 2: doing it tomorrow night. He can be a bigger part 204 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 2: of the offense. And Tanner Hudson suffered the concussion. He's 205 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 2: in concussion protocol. That is why he will miss He 206 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 2: has officially been ruled out for Tomorrow night. And obviously 207 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 2: without Kasiki, who is obviously more of a receiver than 208 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 2: he is a true tight end, it's going to be 209 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 2: Noah Fan and Drew Sample and just hope that and 210 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 2: obviously Cam Grandy he'll be. 211 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 3: Active as well. 212 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 2: But you've got to get more from Noah Fan than 213 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 2: you've got Scotten in the first six weeks of the season. 214 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: You continue to pump out fantastic content for those who 215 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: want more. Tell him how they can read, watch, listen, 216 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: follow along. 217 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 3: Well. 218 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 2: I have a feature column up on Stealing s SNC 219 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 2: with a y dot com on the things that Al 220 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 2: Golden needs to do to work over his ever improving defense, 221 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 2: but he still has a lot to fix. 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