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Speaker 2: The final seven Guy Rights.

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Speaker 3: People will enjoy complaining about replacement officials.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what's interesting about this.

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Speaker 3: If indeed the NFL is forced to go to with

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Speaker 3: The great irony of it is that I actually don't

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Speaker 2: Complaining about replacement officials.

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Speaker 3: I think whether it's fair or not to the replacement

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Speaker 3: calls that are blown are only being blown because replacement

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Speaker 3: But then you got to go with well, if these

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Speaker 3: So I in the current climate, yes, it's part of football.

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Speaker 3: When it comes to refereeing, we want greater accountabilit which,

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Speaker 3: of course it's music of the ears of every roube

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Speaker 3: But where it actually leads to I have absolutely no idea.

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Speaker 3: it by putting charlatans out there to make the critical

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Speaker 3: this is too much. There's too much at stake. This

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Speaker 3: And even if it's two three weeks like it was

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Speaker 3: Game is a cultural happening in the United States of America.

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Speaker 3: six or six eight six. Doctor Phil writes, I thought

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Speaker 3: the lesson to be learned from NFL replacement refs was

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Speaker 2: Come on, NFL, just pay the damn refs.

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Speaker 3: It's an impossible job, so so pay them as such.

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Speaker 3: Replacement refs, writes David out of Marshall.

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Speaker 2: No, boy noo. Yeah, all that's.

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Speaker 3: True, But I think the recreational activity of whining about

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying we'll ever stop watching. I mean that's impossible,

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Speaker 3: But the the advantage I guess would be is then

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Speaker 3: Now, does that mean you don't try to get the

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Speaker 3: It's the biggest problem plaguing this league.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the fans, sir, I failed to give

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Speaker 3: of pretty significant moves by the Vikings at your favorite position,

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Speaker 4: I think you've got to teach him the system and

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Speaker 4: it's just he doesn't he doesn't show you that he

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Speaker 2: And that to me is.

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Speaker 4: A major red flag. It would be calls for concern.

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Speaker 3: Here's my concern regarding what you just said. He's you

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Speaker 2: You just have to.

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Speaker 3: And I guess I question whether, oh, if the light

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Speaker 3: But we're still saying, well, he's not really comfortable doing that.

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Speaker 3: He hasn't been asked to do that very much. And

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Speaker 3: I think that's an awful big concession to make.

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Speaker 4: Well, I would agree with you. I think if you're

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Speaker 4: a chance to own it, a chance to be in

436
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 4: total command and not waste plays and get get us

437
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 4: into the best possible based on the front and coverage.

438
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 1: Uh.

439
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 4: You know, I think that the best quarterbacks in today's

440
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 4: game have that freedom of flexibility line of scrimmage. I mean,

441
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 4: he has to show he's capable of being able to

442
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 4: process and absorb a lot of information quickly and efficiently,

443
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 4: and to be able to play that way from from

444
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 4: center or in the gunt. Well, however, you know, whatever

445
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 4: the play calls. But the other thing I would say

446
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 4: with this guy Dan is that if I'm Kevin O'Connell,

447
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:53,959
Speaker 4: I set him down and I say, hey, look, bro,

448
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 4: you've been in like seven years. They just ran yet

449
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 4: Arizona they had they wanted nothing to do with it.

450
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 4: The prior coach. You have to want anything to do it.

451
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 4: Here there's thirty eight forty eight and one as a

452
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,719
Speaker 4: starting quarterback, and yet you three you complete it sixty

453
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 4: seven percent of your passages, You're thrown twice as many

454
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 4: touchdowns as interceptions, and what's called and you have you

455
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:17,199
Speaker 4: have Kyler Murray has to make the determination, how do

456
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,239
Speaker 4: you want the second half of your career to go.

457
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 4: Do you want to be one and done in Minnesota

458
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 4: and somewhere else and then eventually a backup and eventually

459
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,120
Speaker 4: out of the league, or do you want the second

460
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 4: half of your career to be on a different uh,

461
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 4: you know, a different uh you know, Mark, Yeah, a

462
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 4: different trajectory is what the word I'm looking for. So

463
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 4: that's the conversation, like, hey, hey, it's it's still right

464
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 4: there in front of you, and you have a chance

465
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 4: to kind of to to rewrite the script, but you've

466
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 4: got to put the work in. That's the knock on

467
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 4: this guy. And I'm just being honest with you, Like

468
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 4: the knock on him is like, you know, it's not

469
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 4: the most important thing to him. And if I'm coaching

470
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 4: that position, like that guy's got to be the hardest working,

471
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 4: the you know, the smartest guy, understand those system better

472
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 4: than anybody else, and and and and physically and mentally

473
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 4: one of the toughest players in the football team. That's

474
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 4: what you have to get at Murray.

475
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very well, very well said. It's what concerns me.

476
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 3: But what you're telling me is you got to have

477
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 3: a big boy conversation as a coach with a player

478
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 3: like you said, you can't just be collaborate and all

479
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 3: the things that we talk about. These guys want to

480
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 3: be now and friends and so that you gotta you.

481
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,479
Speaker 3: You have to be honest for the for the to

482
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 3: give the QB himself, not to mention.

483
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 2: The team the best chance to succeed with this marriage.

484
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was blessed at a good dad. And when

485
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 4: I was younger and I was growing up and I

486
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 4: was my dad said to me, my job is your

487
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 4: dad is not to be your best friend, my dad.

488
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 4: My job as your dad is to be the parent

489
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 4: is to help guide you and discipline you and give

490
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 4: you some guidelines and boundaries and and help you growing

491
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 4: as both you can. We became better friends and best

492
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 4: buddies to as I get older, have a beer with

493
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 4: the guy. Sure. Well, when I was younger, there's disciplined rum. Sure,

494
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 4: it's the same thing when you coach the quarterback position

495
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 4: or any PSI NFL Like, I'm gonna coach your hard

496
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 4: and love you later. The other part of it is

497
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 4: is that you know, I think transparent fancy is really important.

498
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 4: Good players want to be coached. Good players want feedback

499
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 4: like that's what they want. Like Peyton Manning didn't. He

500
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 4: didn't want you to tell tell him, hey, is a

501
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 4: good throw. He knew that, Hey the footwork wasn't right. Hey,

502
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 4: you missed an opportunity here. He that's the kind of

503
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 4: feedback that you want to have at that position. And

504
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 4: if I'm coaching this guy, I'm telling you I'm gonna

505
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 4: be on him. I'll be all over them in the spring.

506
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 4: I'm gonna coach him hard. I'm gonna find out what

507
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 4: he's got in and we're gonna find out how much

508
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 4: he wanted. And on the same thing with JJ McCarthy,

509
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 4: like I think the competition is good for everybody. And

510
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 4: if i'm if i'm you know, here's the thing I

511
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 4: do though, And Kevin and Kevin o'conn is a smart guy.

512
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,360
Speaker 4: If you don't have production and consistency at that position,

513
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 4: you're better off selling life insurance. Coaching in the NFL

514
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 4: is not a good job. It's bad because if you

515
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 4: don't have the quarterback, you're going to get fired. Like

516
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 4: they've got one in Detroit, and got a good young

517
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 4: one in Green Bay, and they've got a good developing

518
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 4: player in Chicago. If you look at the division, you say,

519
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 4: let's be honest, like where we stack in terms of

520
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 4: the quarterback position. We're in fourth place out of four teams.

521
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 4: We got a lot of work to do, and Kevin

522
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 4: realizes that. And between JJ McCarthy and Kyler Murray, we

523
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 4: got to find some answers.

524
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 3: Are you still in the camp that believes despite some

525
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 3: really you know, bad production, especially early last season before

526
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 3: he got hurt, that McCarthy is very much redeemable, that

527
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 3: it would be foolish to dismiss him as a possibility,

528
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 3: because I mean, I think a lot of us assumed

529
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 3: that the Vikings brought Kyler Murray into start. No matter

530
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 3: how they're proclaiming it, where do you fit JJ McCarthy

531
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 3: into this mix?

532
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 4: I think it's really sad and disappointing that after ten

533
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 4: starts in the NFL, we've already come to some conclusions.

534
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 4: We've I have, and but I think a lot of

535
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 4: Vikings fans, oh yeah, you know, the guy can't play it. Meanwhile,

536
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 4: a year ago they'll run it out to buy his jersey. So,

537
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 4: you know, I think there were some unrealistic expectations like

538
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 4: oh yeah, this quarterback was for Like, I don't even

539
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 4: know how Kevin got that name, But if that's what

540
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 4: they want to give him, that's fine. I think he's

541
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 4: a phenomenal football coach. But you know, just because Sam

542
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 4: Darnold came in and played well and then went on

543
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 4: to win a super Bowl, it's not like every guy

544
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 4: he touches is going to be like, you know, the

545
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 4: next Johnny Uniteds or Joe Montana. I mean, you know,

546
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 4: there's a learning curve, and I just think that JJ

547
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 4: wasn't ready to play. He struggled. I think his completion

548
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 4: percentage is simply unacceptable. More interceptions and touchdowns as a bad,

549
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 4: bad combination for an NFL quarterback. I think the game

550
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 4: was going way too fast for him, Dan, way too fast.

551
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 4: I always it's like a sixteen year old driver. You're

552
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 4: sixteen years older. You're steering in a little Car's a

553
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 4: lot happened him. All you're trying to do is, you know,

554
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 4: make the car stop at the red light. You're not

555
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 4: seeing pedestrians in the crosswalk, you're not seeing oncoming trap,

556
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 4: you're not seeing what's going on in your rearview mirror.

557
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 4: You don't process that, you know, because it's going too

558
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 4: fast until you become an experienced driver. He's not an

559
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 4: experienced quarterback just yet, and so it's going way too

560
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 4: fast for him. So if I'm coaching this guy up,

561
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 4: I tell him every play matter, So you cannot go

562
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 4: out and be and play poorly for three quarters and

563
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 4: then rally it's even the fourth quarter against the Bears

564
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 4: and think it's okay, Like we can't survive that way.

565
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 4: And the other thing is he has to learn how

566
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 4: to protect himself. Too many unnecessary it's too many miss games.

567
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 4: You know, Well, a guy that's trying to be a

568
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 4: tough guy and show people that he can take hits

569
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 4: like that, that's that's not the job of an NFL quarterback.

570
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 4: Your Your best ability is that your availability. He hits

571
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 4: job is to play all seventeen games. So I love JJ.

572
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 4: I think there's plenty of upside. There were. If I

573
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 4: were advising him, I'd say, you have to outwork the competition.

574
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 4: You need to be in town. You need to be

575
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 4: at the facility every single day. Every rep you can

576
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 4: get matters. You've got to make sure that when it's

577
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 4: all said and done, when we get to you know,

578
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 4: we get to August. Everybody in the locker room, everybody

579
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 4: on the team, every coach knows that you're the better

580
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 4: answered quarterback. That's this is gonna be great to be

581
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 4: fun to watch this competition to the spring and then

582
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 4: through trading.

583
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 3: Camp as a guy who had to work his way

584
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 3: up to become what you ultimately became MVP level. Were

585
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 3: you bothered at all by some of the things that

586
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 3: McCarthy said. This isn't about performance, because in the end

587
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 3: it's more about performance. But the stuff like him talking

588
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 3: about himself is on game day he becomes this he's nine.

589
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 2: He that's his nickname for himself.

590
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 3: I mean, I just I'm thinking that veteran qbs like

591
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 3: you would kind of like roll your eyes and say, man,

592
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 3: just play for a while, have some success. There'll be

593
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 3: time to get to all that other nonsense, but that

594
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 3: it's too soon, and it feels kind of I don't know.

595
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 3: For me, it felt a little performative on the front

596
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:49,719
Speaker 3: end before he'd actually done anything.

597
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 4: I would say less is more and if I'll revise

598
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 4: in JJ and I'll see him the summer. You know,

599
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 4: we play golf a little bit. You know, he's a

600
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 4: member over at Hazel team. So I just simply say

601
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 4: to him, like, dude, you know, just stay in your lane,

602
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, and less it's more, and

603
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 4: let's just worry about putting good you know, I could.

604
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 4: You know, the whole thing about playing that position is

605
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 4: about consistency and production week in and week out, right,

606
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 4: So you know you got to go out like if

607
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 4: you if you pick up the paper on a Monday

608
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 4: morning when Brady was playing, you know you go, oh

609
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 4: my gosh, Tom Brady threw three pictures in the Patriot's loss.

610
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 4: Very very very rarely would you see in a front

611
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 4: page like that, right, because he just said he didn't

612
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 4: do that, saying to a Peyton Manning like like, I'm

613
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 4: not trying to compare him to those players. All I'm

614
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 4: simply saying is that position is all about consistency and production.

615
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 4: That being said, like, you know, we can't have a

616
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 4: good week and a bad week. I would even go

617
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 4: step further, like we can't have a good practice and

618
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 4: a bad practice with him, And I would also go

619
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 4: step further and say, let's go like at the beginning

620
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 4: of saying let's just let's just try and put a

621
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 4: good series together and then we got a good series,

622
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 4: let's come back another good shit, I don't even go

623
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 4: back to time. Let's just put a play together and

624
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 4: then if we make a good footwork, let's come back

625
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 4: to that. That's how simple we have to break it

626
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 4: down because he's just learning. And I think sometimes we

627
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 4: get so far ahead of ourselves. And okay, like you know,

628
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 4: you know, had a great comeback and he was the

629
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 4: player that whatever is. Dude, let's forget all about that, Like,

630
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 4: let's just let's just compete, complete the balls and practice.

631
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 4: He's a guy that has to be coached hard. He's

632
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 4: a young player that's uh, you know, and immature. And

633
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 4: I don't mean that in a uh, you know, a

634
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 4: personal way. I just think he's immature from the standpoley.

635
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 4: He hasn't played, but you know, he's every every every

636
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 4: time out is a new learning experience for a young

637
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 4: player like that. So I think he's got plenty of upside.

638
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 4: I think he's a talented young player. It's got a

639
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 4: lot to learn. But unfortunately for him, today's NFL is

640
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 4: a lot different than when I came in, Dan right,

641
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 4: because I came in and there was Tommy Kramer and

642
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 4: Wade Wilson, and I had a chance to watch and

643
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 4: listen and learn and not really you know, play much,

644
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 4: and then eventually get a chance to play and then

645
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 4: not play well, and then I learn and then get

646
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 4: kicked to the curR and everybody, everybody is a different

647
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 4: learning curve. But I still think this kid, it's a

648
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 4: talented player and has played.

649
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 3: Me up before the Vikings made the move on Kyler Murray,

650
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 3: I continued, I think as a lone wolf to beat

651
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 3: the Aaron Rodgers to Minnesota drum, was I being an idiot?

652
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 3: And if the answer is yes, you can say, yeah,

653
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 3: you were being an idiot.

654
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 2: What do you think.

655
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 4: I don't think it's a good fit, especially not just

656
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,239
Speaker 4: I mean I think that Aaron. I think Aaron's got

657
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 4: a relationship with Mike McCarthy. I think he had a

658
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 4: good experience in Pittsburgh last year. I think the Divisions

659
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 4: going through some major adjustments with a couple of new

660
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 4: head coaches, and so I think if I'm advising Aaron Rodgers,

661
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 4: I say, hey, you want to play again and make

662
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 4: some good money and have a chance to maybe finish

663
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 4: your credit with a real bang, go back to Pittsburgh,

664
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 4: you know, I just think that that makes more sense.

665
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 4: I think when you bring in Aaron Rodgers, it really

666
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 4: changes the dynamics of everything you do. I mean it's

667
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 4: not just JJ's development, it's it sent the message to

668
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 4: the you know, the organization and the fan base, like, hey,

669
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 4: like wet bringing this quarterback he's you know, forty some

670
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 4: years old, and we think we can win a world championship.

671
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 4: I don't know that that's quite the message right now

672
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 4: with Aaron, because you know, he could bring him in,

673
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 4: you could spend the money, you could have, you know,

674
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 4: sell a boatload of jerseys and play preseason tickets. And

675
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 4: the guy got thirt Week three, you know what I mean. Yeah,

676
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 4: So I think there's always calls for concern when you're

677
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 4: dealing with the quarterbacks north of forty.

678
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 3: Let's finish with your perspective and then these are both

679
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 3: very sad stories, but you can speak to them with

680
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 3: some authority because of your time spent with them. The

681
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 3: story breaking over the weekend that former Viking safety Joey

682
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 3: Browner had passed away. He's been dealing with illness and

683
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 3: health issues, I think for quite some time. For the

684
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 3: younger football fans that you know are listening right now,

685
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 3: who've heard the name? I'm sure, but I haven't watched

686
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 3: much of him because it's been a while ago. What

687
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 3: do they need to know about Joey Browner?

688
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 4: I would say that Joey Browner was a transformational player

689
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 4: at the safety position. Rare and unusual size to the position,

690
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 4: sixty three two hundred and twenty five hundred and thirty pounds,

691
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 4: could play in the box, could play all three levels

692
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,720
Speaker 4: of the defense, had really good quickness and speed and suddenness.

693
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 4: Was a phenomenal tackler. As you know, Dani was a

694
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,959
Speaker 4: black belt. Tough, tough guy, would do anything he asked.

695
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 4: He ran down and covered you know, on on on

696
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 4: punt ten. He was a gunner, I mean, just a

697
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,959
Speaker 4: just a just a rare talent and just a guy

698
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 4: that I think really changed, you know, not only our defense,

699
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 4: but how other offenses approached our defense. He could blitz, uh,

700
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 4: he could play in the flat, He could play all

701
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 4: three levels, as I said, and just a just a

702
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 4: great teammate and a really genuine person. I just remember

703
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 4: coming as a young player and being around him. He's

704
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 4: always smiling, he's always gracious, he's always kind. He was

705
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 4: always helpful to young players. He was he was. I

706
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 4: would say he was a quiet leader on the on

707
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 4: the football team by example by the way he played

708
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 4: the game. But I just they don't make him like

709
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 4: Joe Joey was a real badass.

710
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you've hit on the key to me.

711
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 3: I talk about a position that used to exist in

712
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,919
Speaker 3: college football a long time ago, go called monster back,

713
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 3: which I was used more you may be familiar with it,

714
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 3: and to me it was it's a guy who may

715
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 3: be in his case of safety, but's got some linebacker

716
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 3: in him and still can be ballhawking as well.

717
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 2: That that was to me.

718
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 3: What stood out in his case was as an All

719
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 3: Pro player, I think he was first team All Pro

720
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 3: three times, second team once was he could make he.

721
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,720
Speaker 2: He you know, he could be a good ballhawk.

722
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 3: He could get turnovers, he could cause turnovers, but he

723
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 3: also bring people down almost like he was a linebacker.

724
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 4: With the six straight Pro Bowls back when Pro Bowls

725
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 4: meant something. And you know, Floyd Peters, I think you

726
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 4: know the way he realized and also Pete Carroll was

727
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 4: the secondary coach at the time, and I think between

728
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 4: Pete and Monte Kiff and Floyd Peters. I mean, they

729
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,479
Speaker 4: did everything they could him, involved in every game plan.

730
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 4: But I would say he was a very disruptive player.

731
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 4: He was a he was a very physical tackler. I

732
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 4: remember one time we were playing at denver Brook because

733
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 4: I think it was on a Monday night or Sunday night,

734
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 4: and Gerald will Hyde broke the line of screens. He

735
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 4: was off of the races, a really quick back and

736
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 4: he was going to score a touchdown. Joey pulled him

737
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 4: down behind and snapped his tibiot. That's right, I mean

738
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 4: it was you know, I mean Joey was. I'm telling

739
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 4: you that once he got his hands on you, it

740
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 4: was over.

741
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 2: Question.

742
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 3: The other sad piece of news involves the former Raiders

743
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,720
Speaker 3: center Garrett Robbins, passing away at the age of fifty

744
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 3: two years old, who you played with, was supposed to

745
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 3: be your center in the Super Bowl that year. What

746
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 3: can you tell us about your memories there of him,

747
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 3: what his legacy was, and even what you remember from that.

748
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 3: I would I assume you think very kind of very

749
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 3: strange weekend leading into that Super Bowl Sunday.

750
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, Barrett was a great player, and when I first

751
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 4: got to the Raiders, of ninety nine. He was kind

752
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 4: of a developing player at that position, the center position,

753
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 4: and he eventually became an All Pro and he's a

754
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 4: pro bowler in two thousand in two, the year he

755
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 4: went to the Super Bowl. So big, strong, physical could

756
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 4: get up on the second level. Was was a mauler

757
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 4: in the running game, smart player with the TCU. It

758
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 4: was the second round pick of the Raiders. Great guy

759
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 4: in the locker room, a great guy to be around. Unfortunately,

760
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 4: you know, he had some demons, and he had some

761
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 4: health issues, and you know he was all on and

762
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 4: opt the medication. You know, he had some some challenges

763
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 4: and it's unfortunate because you know he had he had

764
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 4: a career that he could have played another four or

765
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 4: five years and it ended too soon. Of course, he

766
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 4: got in trouble with the law. But sorely missed by

767
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 4: Raider fans. I know his wife, his two daughters are

768
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 4: really just so sad that it had to end the

769
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 4: way it did. But I have I always have great

770
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 4: memories of Barrett. He was He was a great team made,

771
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 4: a great guy to have an autumn.

772
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 3: When you look back on that, you know, the disappearance

773
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 3: the night before the ball and so forth. I mean,

774
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 3: how disruptive was that? I mean that that can't be

775
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 3: something in any team is ready for. I'm not trying

776
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 3: to put the game itself on him, but that's got

777
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 3: to be pretty pretty challenge. Had to have been pretty

778
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 3: challenging at that moment.

779
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 4: Oh, there's no question. I mean, he was a Pro

780
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 4: Bowl player and we got we'll have to go against

781
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 4: Warren Sack, I mean, Rice and Derek Brooks, and that

782
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 4: was a really good Buccaneers defense. And it certainly hurt

783
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 4: us in terms of what we did with our calls

784
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,720
Speaker 4: and communication, and hurt us what we did in terms

785
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 4: of our ability to run the football or our church's

786
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 4: our inability to run the ball. And so I mean,

787
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 4: he had a lot, you know, but look, there's plenty

788
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 4: of reasons why we lost, and I can certainly raised

789
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 4: my hands and set responsibility in my apartment, but yeah,

790
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 4: I mean it was it was shocking. I mean we

791
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 4: went over to the stadium on Saturday for the for

792
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 4: the team picture for the walks and he wasn't there.

793
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,280
Speaker 4: Saturday morning, everybody will where is there? And then Saturday

794
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 4: night I'm in a quarterback meeting room with Jim Harball

795
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 4: and Mark Trustman and Bill Callaen had coach Walkson and

796
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 4: said they just found him in Mexico and he's in coherent.

797
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 4: He's not he's not going to play. We were like

798
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 4: shocked the first we heard of it, and you know,

799
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 4: I think I think it was you know, it was

800
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 4: an unselling thing for all of us. But look, you

801
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 4: know there's plenty of reasons we lost that that certainly

802
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 4: didn't help. But I would never ever place playing on Barrett.

803
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,439
Speaker 4: I think he was struggling to do the best he could.

804
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 4: He was dealing with some demons, and you know, all

805
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 4: caught up to him super Bowl weekend.

806
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 3: Last item, because you pay very close attention still to

807
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 3: the Raiders. Are you a Fernando Mendoza guy? And remember

808
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 3: he attended my alma mater, Indiana University, So I've had.

809
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 4: The good fortune of meeting him and visiting with him,

810
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 4: and I just think he is a wonderful young man.

811
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 4: And I'm very optimistic that the Raider's going to get

812
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 4: this thing done, and he's going to be a Raider

813
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 4: when himself sitting and done. He's as you know, he's

814
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 4: a good, good looking quarterback. He's got the height and

815
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 4: the length and the sighs. I think he's got good

816
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 4: arm town I and that's only going to get better.

817
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 4: He's a really smart player. He's uh, he's already studying

818
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 4: the Raiders offense. He's working with Brian Greasi. I think

819
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 4: Dan I will say that one when I evaluate that position, physical,

820
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 4: mental toughness is really important to me. I think he

821
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 4: checked the box there. You know. I think he's got

822
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 4: natural leadership skills. Now people say, well, how's you going

823
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 4: to do? Well? It's not just whether the young quarterback

824
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 4: is ready to play. Is a team ready for the

825
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 4: young quarterback? You know what I mean? You have a

826
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 4: good offensive line and you run the ball. We got

827
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 4: good help, We've got good receivers, We've got a good

828
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 4: defense that can create some negative plays and some fast

829
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 4: short fields and who are we good in the kicking games?

830
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 4: All those things matter? And I think you know, in

831
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 4: the years past, when the Raiders try to develop a

832
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 4: young quarterback, their house wasn't in order. I'm hopeful that

833
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 4: Clinton Kobiak and the staff is going to continue to

834
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 4: continue to invest in free agency. The draft is going

835
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 4: to be very, very important for the Raiders. They've had

836
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,439
Speaker 4: some awful awful drafts here in the last decade. They've

837
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 4: got to get this one right.

838
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 3: You were exemplary today, my friend. I appreciate the time

839
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 3: we talk about the point.

840
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 4: It's taking you so long and reach out to me.

841
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 4: But we can talk about that later.

842
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can get be careful. What you wish for

843
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 2: is all.

844
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 4: I'm going to sign that you're the best.

845
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 3: Thanks rich Gannon helping us out as only he can,

846
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 3: indeed do. Guess what, I hope you're sitting down for this.

847
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 3: If you're driving, slow down a little bit. We don't

848
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 3: want any fender benders. Lou Nanny is going to join

849
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 3: the show next Now that's not news because he's on

850
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 3: with us almost every Tuesday. The news is he's going

851
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 3: to be in the studio. In fact, he already is.

852
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 3: Luigi Top of the Hour back in just a minute.