1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand. 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 2: It is the Jesus Christ Show. I am your Holy Host, 3 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 2: happy to be with you this Christmas, as we do 4 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:19,159 Speaker 2: every single year here on KFI. We're happy to be 5 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 2: here with you and we will open up the phone. 6 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 2: So if you have a question, a theological question dealing 7 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 2: with God, religion, spirituality, worldviews, the Bible, or if you're 8 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 2: going through something, I know the holiday season can bring 9 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 2: a lot of joy, but for some it brings pain 10 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 2: or reminders of things from the past. Whatever it might be, 11 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 2: give us a call eight hundred five to zero one 12 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 2: five three four, eight hundred five to zero one five 13 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 2: three four and we'll be with you until four o'clock. 14 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 2: Every year around this time, the focus is on the 15 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 2: spirit of Christmas. People say happy Holidays, the reality is 16 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 2: the day holiday actually means Holy Day. Holy Days were 17 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 2: a time of spending time with your family, connecting with 18 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: your loved ones, thinking about the spiritual needs and not 19 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: just the physical worldly day to day life. The power 20 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 2: in the Holy Days comes from focusing on things in 21 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 2: which gratitude should be paramount. Now, gifts are lovely, and 22 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 2: there are those that say, well, gifts take away the 23 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 2: reason for the season, focus on God. And if a 24 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 2: gift can take your eyes your spirit away from God, 25 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: then there's other problems. Be long long beyond the gifts. 26 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 2: We'll get into the gifts that were given to me 27 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 2: as a child, the reason that you are celebrating the 28 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 2: Eve of christ Mass today and celebrating Christmas tomorrow. But 29 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 2: I want you to think about gift giving, the purpose 30 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 2: of it, the reason you do it. Finding those special 31 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 2: things about somebody that you want to amplify. That's what 32 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 2: a gift is. That's what the gifts were to me, 33 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 2: amplifying what you see in that person, what you love 34 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 2: about that person, what you know about them. It's a 35 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 2: way a nod to them, going I see you, I 36 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 2: know who you are, I appreciate you. And there's power 37 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 2: in that. There's connectivity in gift giving when done right now, 38 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with giving small, little gifts to recognize 39 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 2: somebody that may be less personal, whether it's candy or 40 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 2: cookies or because with that comes the notion of I 41 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 2: care enough about you, you are on my list in life. 42 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 2: So it's not about the grandiose gesture. It's about the 43 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 2: power of connection. Seeing other people. When you notice people 44 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 2: getting irate and going driving, see people driving you go, 45 00:03:55,120 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 2: now the hustle and bustle of shopping, you see people 46 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 2: getting irate, you know what makes them I rate? There 47 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 2: are two things in those situations. One either entitlement. Somebody 48 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: feels entitled and doesn't know why you're messing with them. 49 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 2: But the other one is more likely, and that is, hey, 50 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 2: you don't see me. You think you're more important than me. 51 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 2: Just a smidge of the entitlement, But really it's it's more, hey, 52 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 2: I'm here. You just crossed in front of me, ignoring me. 53 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 2: You just took my spot there. You just you're ignoring 54 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 2: another human being. And the desire of humans are to 55 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 2: be seen and to connect rightly. So it's how you 56 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: were designed. So there's power and gift giving and that 57 00:04:55,560 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 2: the little dance that goes with it, like wrapping. I'll 58 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 2: explain more in a moment. 59 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand. 60 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 2: Time for Gifts. This season brings out gift giving and 61 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 2: the spirit of joy and appreciating the small things. And 62 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 2: it doesn't matter where they come from. I know trees 63 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 2: and the pagan origins and all these things. But the 64 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 2: reality is that there is joy in experiences of family 65 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 2: and connection. And I know the hustle and bustle is 66 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 2: at full blast, but ultimately, if you think of the 67 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 2: end results of just getting together. We've said this before 68 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 2: that happiness is a momentary feeling of joy due to 69 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 2: a happening. Just something happens, you get the gift to go, 70 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 2: oh yeah, and there's that. But true joy comes at 71 00:05:55,960 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 2: all times. True joy is impenetrable by circumstances. It's not 72 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 2: there because something is good or bad or indifferent. It's 73 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 2: there because it is. It's the sheer appreciation of life 74 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 2: and existence and one more day to change, or to 75 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 2: be better, or to do something for someone else. And 76 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 2: it's been said many times that Christmas is a time 77 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 2: for non believers to feel what believers feel on a 78 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 2: daily basis, and that is that joy. That focus on 79 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 2: those things. So back to gifts and the importance of them. 80 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 2: It's not about oh, I'm accumulating stuff. I've been giving 81 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 2: something of worth. The worth is not the gift. The 82 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 2: worth is the inside of the individual who gives it 83 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 2: to you, what they know about you, that you're on 84 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 2: their list, that you're important enough to be thought of. 85 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:04,239 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what the gift is unless the gift 86 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 2: ties into that. It's like I know you, I know 87 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 2: about you, and here's something I know about you. Those 88 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 2: are the best. Even down to the wrapping, Why do 89 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 2: you wrap well? Anticipation right to enhance the significance goes 90 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 2: back to ancient times, shows protecting of the item. It 91 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 2: shows care for the desire of someone to feel the 92 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 2: anticipation and the unwrapping as to what is what is 93 00:07:50,040 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 2: in it? The experience of those things makes it delightful, 94 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 2: makes you feel something a little different, an experience that 95 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 2: you wouldn't have had. So what about the traditions? What 96 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 2: about the traditions of the three gifts? Given? Everybody knows 97 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 2: about them? Right, Gold, frankincense and murrher What a trio. 98 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 2: So this builds up with the magi though what are 99 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 2: referred to as the wise men or the magicians really 100 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 2: is where that comes back back to not followers of 101 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 2: God in the traditional sense. And it doesn't say that 102 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 2: there were just three of them. As a matter of fact, 103 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 2: magi is plural and there could have been dozens. The 104 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 2: assumption that there's three is because the gifts are three, 105 00:08:54,600 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 2: So think about those gold interesting thing to give a child, 106 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 2: saving for saving, up for life, saving up for college. 107 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 2: No denoted kingship, royalty, frankncense. It's an incense, but it's 108 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 2: a very specific one. Frankencense shows uh talks to divinity, spirituality, 109 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:33,719 Speaker 2: the godness of the baby and the manger and Mr. 110 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:44,079 Speaker 2: Even equally stranger Mr. An embalming spice. How would you 111 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 2: give that to a child, a brand new baby? So 112 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 2: muhr was used for many things, as a perfume of sorts, 113 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 2: but often as an embalming spice placed upon the body 114 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 2: at death and burial. This is said to signify my 115 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 2: life thirty three eight years later in ministry as Savior, 116 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 2: acknowledging these roles collectively recognizing me as a child, as King, 117 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 2: God and Savior, the completion, the perfection of who I was, 118 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 2: is and always will be, the prophetic significance, the tribute 119 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 2: of the world, all of these things, the power of 120 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 2: those things stated in each of those gifts, showing that 121 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 2: even those that were part of a different, even a 122 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 2: pagan belief system like the Magi, knew something was happening, 123 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 2: something big, something significant, and in that shows the power 124 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,479 Speaker 2: of what you celebrate on this Christmas. 125 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand. 126 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 2: Patty, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. 127 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 3: Hi Jesus, how are you well? 128 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 2: I am well? How are you? How can I help 129 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 2: you do? 130 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: There? 131 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 3: Thank you for taking my call? And I know, happy 132 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 3: birthday for tomorrow. But that's the question. We know it 133 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 3: was in December. I was always of the opinion it 134 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 3: was during the fall because the white men were following 135 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 3: the star. But then I was having a conversation with 136 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 3: someone recently and she actually said it was something to 137 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 3: do with the sheep and when the lambs are born, 138 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 3: and that's always in the spring. And the fact that 139 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 3: there were shepherds at your birthplace. I knew I could 140 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 3: get the right answer from you because you knew where 141 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 3: you were born. So that's my question. 142 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 2: Well, there isn't anything that specifies specifically in scripture. It 143 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 2: certainly was not December. That is tied that is tied 144 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 2: to church stuff and other pagan holidays and the church 145 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 2: trying to push through those things to remain current and 146 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 2: relevant and things like that. The likelihood of it being 147 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 2: around September mid to late September seems to be one 148 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 2: of the consensus that comes from scholars looking at dealing 149 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 2: like you said, dealing with shepherds, because it talks about 150 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 2: the shepherds being in the fields, and there are certain 151 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 2: things that denote things that can be traced back and 152 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 2: look into as to what was going on so two 153 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 2: thousand plus years ago, and so in doing that, traditions 154 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 2: and the things that are talked about, that is where 155 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 2: most theologians land is sometime in mid to late September 156 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 2: is when they look at that. But it's the celebration 157 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 2: is the celebration, and most important is to be reminded 158 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 2: of the beginning, middle and end. Everything of import throughout 159 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:37,119 Speaker 2: scripture talks about the beginning, middle and end. The Calgary, 160 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 2: you know, Gessimone, the empty tomb, all these things have 161 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 2: a pattern of that beginning, middle, and ending. That's imperative 162 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 2: and important. And so that's the beginning is what's being celebrated. 163 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 2: The beginning, not of God in people's lives, not the 164 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 2: beginning of even a faith, but the beginning of redemption 165 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 2: and salvation, which could not be obtained. That's the reality, 166 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 2: it was not attainable. There are two ways, really talked 167 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:12,839 Speaker 2: about in scripture about getting into heaven, and it says, 168 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 2: be perfect like your father God in heaven is perfect. 169 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 2: Not going to happen or no. Take the blood on 170 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 2: the cross as the payment in. 171 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 3: Full amen, And I do. I appreciate you doing that 172 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 3: for us and making that sacrifice over two thousand years ago, 173 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 3: and it's just great to have you in my life. 174 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 2: Well, the wonder of that is is that that smile 175 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 2: that I hear and the joy that I hear when 176 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 2: you say those things. Praise to God that those things, 177 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 2: those things are seen by people around you. That is 178 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 2: why people will ask you to you know, there is 179 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 2: a presence of a person. This thought of having to 180 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 2: shove a belief system down someone's throat or be a 181 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 2: Bible thumper or any of those things. It's not necessary there. 182 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 2: If someone was glowing green, you would look at them 183 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 2: and go, wow, you're glowing green. Why are you glowing green? 184 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 2: I mean, people will ask questions on something. It's the shortcut, 185 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 2: shortcut to try and force it on somebody. It's another 186 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 2: thing to live in a way, to have an energy 187 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 2: about you that comes from the joy that surpasses understanding, 188 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 2: that is in your heart and in your life even 189 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 2: when times are bad. That makes people want to know 190 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 2: about you, know, Patty, what makes you tick? Why even 191 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 2: during tough times do you seem to have a strength 192 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 2: that I don't understand or I don't have, or whatever 193 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 2: it might be. Then there's power in that. 194 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 3: Well, thank you. I really appreciate that. But I know 195 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 3: without you, I wouldn't be where I'm at today. And yeah, 196 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 3: we all have struggles, Like I think I've even heard 197 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 3: you say in other episodes, you know, life house sharp edges. 198 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but just a. 199 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 3: Matter of that really, just the wisdom and knowledge and 200 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 3: the faith. I mean, that's where faith comes in. You know, 201 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 3: you can't see it. You just got to know it's 202 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 3: right and it's there and just do what you do. 203 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 3: So thank you. 204 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 2: You're very correct. We've said that many times about the 205 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 2: world having sharp edges and the fact that you cannot 206 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 2: nerve the world. You're going to bump into things. And Patty, 207 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 2: that is why having the strength and the power of 208 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 2: God in your corner in your life, not for gosh, 209 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 2: be a genie and make nothing hurt and all that. 210 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 2: It's give me the strength the ability to look past 211 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 2: these things. God bless you, Patty, and Merry Christmas to you. 212 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 2: And I love hearing that you focusing on those things 213 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 2: and understanding the spirit of God. And still you know. 214 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 2: Whether you knew the date of my birth or not 215 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 2: is a curiosity and intellectual curiosity, and that's wonderful. But 216 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 2: it didn't matter. You still loved, You, still focused on 217 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 2: the things of God even without that knowledge, and there's 218 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 2: power in that as well. Eight hundred five two zero 219 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 2: one five three four is the number for you to 220 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 2: call if you have a theology question, or world views 221 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 2: the Bible, whatever might be on your mind, or if 222 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 2: you're going through something in life and you want to 223 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 2: talk about it. We call those life situations. And believe me, 224 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 2: situations can change good. Good can go to bad, bad 225 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 2: can go back to good. Eight hundred five to zero 226 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 2: one five three four. 227 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand. 228 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 2: Happy to be with you this Christmas as I'm normally 229 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 2: with you on Sunday mornings from six to nine am 230 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 2: here on KFI. If you have a theology question or 231 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 2: a life situation question anywhere you can hear my voice, 232 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 2: give me a call. Eight hundred five to zero one 233 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 2: five three four that's eight hundred five to zero one, five, 234 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 2: three four Donald, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. 235 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 4: Well, thank you very much. I had a question, how 236 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 4: old is everything? How long ago with creations? I know 237 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 4: there's a few theologians out there teaching the literal chronology 238 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 4: and genealogy is just a little over six thousand years. Yeah, 239 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 4: what's the what's the correct answer? 240 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 2: Okay, So those that are of the young Earth variety 241 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 2: in theology are incorrect the conclusions that they come to 242 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 2: or false on a couple of things. Ones, they're the 243 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 2: one they're using the genealogy, and the genealogy is not there. 244 00:18:55,320 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 2: They are like signposts of the genealogy. They aren't literal 245 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 2: years or generations to count down and say, okay, this 246 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 2: is how long the earth is. Never is it said, 247 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 2: never is it placed anywhere in scripture that that is 248 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 2: the canon or the measuring rod that should be used 249 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 2: as to the age of the Earth. Science still learns 250 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 2: from different methods of gauging and metrology, which is the 251 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 2: study of measuring things. So they use different types of 252 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 2: metrology to come to conclusions as to how old the 253 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 2: universe is and those things in it. So the two 254 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 2: things theologically that people that tend to stop people in 255 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 2: their tracks are one the period of creation that has 256 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 2: talked about in Genesis, about the seven daymark. So the 257 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 2: word there in the Hebrew and the ancient Hebrew is 258 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 2: the same as the word that is used in Hebrew 259 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 2: now yom. Now yome is what you use for like 260 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 2: Yom Kippur and these types of things where you're talking 261 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 2: about a day. However, in the actual language, yom can 262 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 2: mean many things. It can mean a twenty four hour period. 263 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 2: It can be mean daylight, the period of daylight, which 264 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 2: is of course not the entirety of the day. It 265 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 2: can mean many things, including infinitude. Depending on its context 266 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 2: and the use of the word and where it is used, 267 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 2: it can mean many different things. This happens a lot 268 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 2: in ancient languages, especially in ancient Hebrew. Is one word 269 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 2: is used for many things, so it can mean you know, 270 00:20:55,680 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 2: stick or log or post or rod, so depending on 271 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 2: its usage. And so there are those that like Christian 272 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 2: and astrophysicist Hugh ross Out in southern California, believes that 273 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 2: the Earth is billions of years old, and this aligns 274 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 2: perfectly with scientific consensus, and he looks at the concept 275 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 2: of the progressive what they call progressive day age creationism 276 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 2: or Old Earth creationism. The producer of the show, Neil Savedra, 277 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 2: is also an Old Earth creationist, meaning that the you know, 278 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 2: the time of Biblical texts ties into what is known 279 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 2: scientifically and does not counter that in any way, shape 280 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 2: or form until and only until one tries to come 281 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 2: up with a measurement based on something like the genealogies, 282 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,040 Speaker 2: which it never says, this is the age of the 283 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 2: earth by these things. So that is something that people 284 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 2: have misused scripture for. But there is nothing in scripture 285 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 2: that says specifically that the concept of billions of years old, 286 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 2: the universe being billions of years old, of the Earth 287 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 2: being billions of years old, is contradictory. Does that happen? 288 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 2: Appreciate that? Okay, you're very very welcome. Merry Christmas to you, 289 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 2: and I hope that that helps you understand it is. 290 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 2: The Bible is a fascinating work. It's not one book. 291 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 2: It's under one cover mostly, but it's not one book. 292 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 2: It's sixty six plus books to the Christian written over 293 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 2: a span of thousands of years, three different continents, three 294 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 2: different languages, times of peace, times of war, by kings 295 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 2: written and by peasants alike, and there's power in its continuity. 296 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 2: Is it a book of science? No? Does it contradict science? No? 297 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 2: I mean you have the concept of miracles, But science 298 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 2: often puts a label on a can before it understands 299 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 2: what's in the can, things like quarks, things like labels 300 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 2: that science will go, this is a thing. We don't 301 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 2: know what that thing is, but this is a thing. 302 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 2: There is something going on, some phenomenon. Because science is observational, 303 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 2: you can't observe a past, singular event like creation. But 304 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 2: if you stood on a seven foot ladder and dropped marbles, 305 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 2: handful of marbles, and they hit the ground and scattered, 306 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 2: and you could calculate the of the surface in which 307 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 2: they hit, and you could calculate the height in which 308 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 2: they were dropped, the weight, and the true spherical nature 309 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 2: of the marble, because they're not true spheres, they have anomaly. 310 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 2: If you could calculate all those things and the speed 311 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 2: in which they would slow down as they moved out, 312 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 2: then forensically you could look at those things and then 313 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 2: reverse the math and come to the point where they 314 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 2: were dropped and how high they were dropped and these things. 315 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 2: So forensically, everyone is looking backwards towards a past, singular 316 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 2: event when it comes to history of any kind where 317 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 2: you don't have the modern conveniences of logging other than 318 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 2: writing drawings, things like that. But there is nothing in 319 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 2: scripture that says nothing that says the Earth is six 320 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 2: thousand years old. 321 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 1: KFI AM sixty on demand