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Speaker 1: about grooming and teacher misconduct after that bombshell story in

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Speaker 1: the Cap Times that showed DPI covered up hundreds of

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Speaker 1: for a quick card game with Chauncey Billups. You see,

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Speaker 1: she had a perfect excuse. Massive stories scandals in the

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Speaker 1: news today, one national involving sports, politics, gambling. It also

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Speaker 1: touches on some of the issues that we were talking

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Speaker 1: complete control over online sports gambling in the state, and

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Speaker 1: one big local scandal that will not go away despite

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Speaker 1: the best efforts of Governor Evers administration, Doctor Underley, and

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Speaker 1: a complicit local and state press which has refused to

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Speaker 1: a couple of nights ago, it was their official kickoff

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Speaker 1: with the doubleheader the Warriors and Lakers and the defending

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Speaker 1: the start of a new season, the start of new

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Speaker 1: broadcast relationships. Charles Barkley and Inside the NBA or the

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Speaker 1: NBA on ESPN now moving over to ESPN from its

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Speaker 1: longtime home at Turner Sports. The NBA back on MSNBC,

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Speaker 1: or excuse me, regular NBC. Could you imagine the NBA

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Speaker 1: on MSNBC. I would pay to watch Chris Hayes try

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Speaker 1: to talk about sports with Laurence o'donald. Now, the NBA

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Speaker 1: on NBC made its triumphant return, and what everybody was

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Speaker 1: on NBC theme. Remember John tesh you immediately associated with

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Speaker 1: nineteen nineties NBA. You've got, you know, marvelous Marv Albert

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Speaker 1: it is the NBA on NBC twenty twenty five edition

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Speaker 1: theme song. Wait this this sounds a little different than

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Speaker 1: I remember. What happened to the synthesizers, What happened to

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Speaker 1: hear the phrase NBA players and LaCOSA Nostra come out

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Speaker 1: of the mouth of the FBI's director in this the

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Speaker 1: year of Our Lord, twoenty twenty five. But here we are,

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Speaker 1: Cash Pattel big press conference this morning.

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Speaker 2: Now no individuals such as Chauncey Billups, Damon Jones, and

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Speaker 2: Terry Razier were taking into custody today former current NBA

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Speaker 1: One of those players, Jones, actually played for the Bucks

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Speaker 1: a case than merely point shaving, and there was a

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Speaker 1: The Rosier indictment is separate from the indictment that caught

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Speaker 1: There were rigged poker games in Las Vegas, the Hamptons, Miami,

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Speaker 1: It is entirely possible that there are more. The investigation,

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Speaker 1: sports gambling investigation is called Operation Nothing But Net. The

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Speaker 1: During one of these games, one of the defendants texted

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Speaker 1: high school student. District administrators let the teacher resign and

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Speaker 1: provided him with a neutral letter of reference. Stevens point,

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Speaker 1: administrators directed a teacher to stop being alone with students

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Speaker 1: after they found he violated the district's sexual harassment policy.

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Speaker 1: Administrators let him keep teaching, though and colleagues saw a

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Speaker 1: sheboygan special ed aid kiss a fifth grader on the lips. However,

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Speaker 1: school investigators determined the conduct was and I quote motherly.

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Speaker 1: Those were a tiny fraction of all of the investigations

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Speaker 1: that the Department of Public Instruction kept parents, teachers, the

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Speaker 1: media in the dark about teachers who were investigated for

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Speaker 1: misconduct and in all of these cases compelling evidence that

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Speaker 1: there was very, very serious sexual misconduct, but were allowed

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Speaker 1: to resign, forfeit their teachers' licenses, and in many cases

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Speaker 1: simply go on as if nothing had happened. They just

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Speaker 1: quietly resign. I would love to know how this is

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Speaker 1: any bit different than the Catholic school or the Catholic

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Speaker 1: Church priest abuse scandal. It's going on in Wisconsin schools

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Speaker 1: and the so called education governor has not said a

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Speaker 1: word about it. A lot of this stuff was going

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Speaker 1: on when Evers was state superintendent, and I am told

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Speaker 1: he is being told to shut his mouth because of

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Speaker 1: the possibility of lawsuits that arise from this, because of

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Speaker 1: the possibility of massive political fallout. So where is doctor

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Speaker 1: Jill Underley. She's actually getting an award from her school

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Speaker 1: in Indiana. I wish I was making that up. She

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Speaker 1: couldn't go testify as to why it was. Her Department

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Speaker 1: of Public Instruction was keeping teachers and students alike in

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Speaker 1: the dark fellow educators administrators about these investigations and allowing

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Speaker 1: teachers to simply make them go away by agreeing to

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Speaker 1: stop teaching, give up their teachers licenses, and then perhaps

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Speaker 1: get another job where you don't need a teacher's license

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Speaker 1: but still have plenty of access to potential victims. This

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Speaker 1: is one of the biggest scandals in the state this year.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I am struggling to come up with a

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Speaker 1: bigger one. It is interesting to note that this did

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Speaker 1: not come out until Underley was safely re elected. Has

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Speaker 1: there been a single callt I'm not the reporter. Danielle

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Speaker 1: to Close got the records when she got them, and

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Speaker 1: in fact, she did a follow up two days ago.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to get to this on yesterday's program. School

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Speaker 1: districts and DPI itself were charging outrageous prices for the

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Speaker 1: open records that she was seeking. It's the easiest thing

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Speaker 1: in the world to get a record. You are not

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Speaker 1: allowed to destroy or get rid of anything. And almost

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Speaker 1: every record now is digital, and the period that she

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Speaker 1: was seeking records from, certainly all school records would be digital.

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Speaker 1: They're not just kept in file cabinets somewhere in the basement.

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Speaker 1: But even if they were, they would be easy to find.

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Speaker 1: School districts were charging or attempting to charge her tens

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Speaker 1: or in some cases, hundreds of thousands of dollars to

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Speaker 1: get this these records here. Let's take a look. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Sheboygan Area School District wanted seventeen thousand dollars for its

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Speaker 1: search of just teacher sexual misconduct records. The Middleton Cross

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Speaker 1: Plains Area School district wanted forty thousand dollars. The school

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Speaker 1: District of Janesville wanted two hundred and forty five thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars to run a computer search into school disciplinary records.

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Speaker 1: That's a clear case of obstruction. It's it's an attempt

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Speaker 1: to get around Wisconsin's open records law. I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: what we are going to get back into this following

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Speaker 1: the daily Trump date in the four o'clock hour, coming

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Speaker 1: up the unhinged Liberal of the day when the Dan

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Speaker 1: o'donald Show returns. Welcome back to the Dan o'donalds Show.

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Speaker 1: A little mixed with black magic and the Halloween Bumper

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Speaker 1: music rotation. Right now, it's time to name today's unhinged

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Speaker 1: liberal of the day.

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Speaker 6: We ohuff is dangerous because he's evil.

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Speaker 1: Today's unhinged Liberal of the day is Texas State Representative

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Speaker 1: Jolanda Jones, a crowd of course, who is running for

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Speaker 1: a seat in Congress, who is on MSNBC and has

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Speaker 1: no intention of toning down the rhetoric. So when a bully.

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Speaker 7: Comes, like, if there are no rules, you literally have

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Speaker 7: to figure it out. So Donald Trump has changed things

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Speaker 7: and people trying to do what's always been done is

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Speaker 7: not going to work. And I think that's why Democrats

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Speaker 7: are losing black people. That's why they're losing poor people,

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Speaker 7: because poor people all they want is for us to fight.

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Speaker 7: So if you hit me in my face, I'm not

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Speaker 7: gonna punch you back in your face. I'm gonna go

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Speaker 7: across your neck. Because we can go back and forth

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Speaker 7: fighting each other's faces. You've got to hit hard enough

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Speaker 7: where they won't come back. And so yeah, for the

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Speaker 7: same way, I went to New York and spoke with

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Speaker 7: Governor Kathy Hockel and said, if they're going to try

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Speaker 7: to wipe us out in Texas, we need to wipe

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Speaker 7: out every Republican in New York, in California, in Illinois

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Speaker 7: so no one can make me feel bad about fighting

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Speaker 7: for the people that I represent.

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Speaker 1: She wants to go across the neck of Republicans like

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Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk, Miss Jones, Texas state Representative Jolanda Jones, a

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Speaker 1: congressional candidate, and your unhinged liberal of the day, Dan

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Speaker 1: O'Donnells show coming right back. According to a Capital Times investigation,

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Speaker 1: Wisconsin's superintendent doctor Jill Underley and before her, Governor Tony Evers,

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Speaker 1: covered up sexual assault, misconduct and grooming allegations against teachers

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Speaker 1: as head of Department of Public Instruction by quietly allowing

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Speaker 1: those teachers to give up their teaching licenses, go away,

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Speaker 1: and in exchange, investigations into them would be dropped and

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Speaker 1: the public would be left in the dark. No one

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Speaker 1: wants to comment on this because it is incredibly damning. EVERRS,

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Speaker 1: for his eight years in office, has called himself the

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Speaker 1: education Governor. Isn't it a shock then that he has

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Speaker 1: not said a single thing about this. What's even more shocking,

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Speaker 1: I dare say, is that not a single television station

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Speaker 1: in Milwaukee or Madison or Green Bay or any other

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Speaker 1: media market wants to touch this thing with a thirty

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Speaker 1: foot poll, let alone a ten foot one. It is

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Speaker 1: about the worst possible scandal for Wisconsin's schools, especially for

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Speaker 1: the woman who runs them. So where is doctor Jill

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Speaker 1: Underley today? She's at Indiana University, I kid you, not

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Speaker 1: receiving a Distinguished Alumnus award. She skipped a hearing that

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Speaker 1: the Wisconsin legislature had invited her too to talk about

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Speaker 1: this captime story and grooming in schools and just what

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Speaker 1: it was DPI was doing to keep its kids safe.

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Speaker 1: She skipped out, she took off, she left the state.

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Speaker 1: We will get into that coming up in just a second. First,

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Speaker 1: we like to begin every single four o'clock hour, as

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Speaker 1: most people are heading back home from work, with a

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Speaker 1: look at what happened at the White House today. It's

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Speaker 1: time for your daily Trump Day.

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Speaker 8: We're gonna win so much you may even get tired

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Speaker 8: of winning.

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Speaker 5: Just keeps waiting.

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Speaker 1: It is a win for the administration. It's also a

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Speaker 1: big win for the United States. We have to keep winning.

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Speaker 1: We have to win more. We're gonna win more. The

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Speaker 1: President today, at a very lengthy news conference that went

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Speaker 1: about two hours, announced the results of a massive operation

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Speaker 1: targeting drug cartels in the United States and abroad.

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Speaker 8: We're here today to weep being unprecedented and historically successful

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Speaker 8: operation that my administration has carried out in recent weeks

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Speaker 8: to arrest, prosecute, and permanently remove members of foreign drug

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Speaker 8: cartels from American soil.

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Speaker 1: This was a very successful operation that resulted in thousands

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Speaker 1: upon thousands upon thousands of arrests. As the President intimated today.

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Speaker 8: In a matter of weeks, the task force has made

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Speaker 8: the largest number of arrests of cartel leaders, operators, and

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Speaker 8: gang members in American history, more than three.

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Speaker 1: Thousand in counting.

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Speaker 8: That includes members of the Ultra violent New Generation Cartel,

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Speaker 8: the Cineloa Cartel, the l n FM Cartel, MS thirteen Cartel,

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Speaker 8: and U KNOW MS thirteen the gang and trend Deiragua.

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Speaker 8: Another beauty's group of real, real garbage. We have to

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Speaker 8: deal with that we shouldn't have to deal with.

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Speaker 1: The President, of course, laid the blame for all of

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Speaker 1: these people being allowed into the country at the feet

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Speaker 1: of his predecessor, Joe Biden, for allowing an unprecedented wave

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Speaker 1: of illegal immigration in four straight years of open borders.

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Speaker 1: Earlier today, White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt held a

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Speaker 1: press briefing and blasted Democrats for, as she put it,

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Speaker 1: causing pain on the American people.

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Speaker 9: We are now on day twenty three of the Democrat

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Speaker 9: government shutdown. Senate Democrats have voted twelve separate times now

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Speaker 9: to keep the government closed. Innocent Americans are suffering every

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Speaker 9: day as a result. More than five hundred thousand civilian

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Speaker 9: federal employees will miss a full paycheck tomorrow. Thousands of

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Speaker 9: small business loans are going unapproved each month. This means

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Speaker 9: almost four billion dollars in capital is being withheld from

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Speaker 9: small businesses across the country.

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Speaker 1: Now, Levitt noted that House Minority Whip Catherine Clark sort

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Speaker 1: of gave away the game when she said Democrats are

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Speaker 1: using this shutdown for leverage to get negotiations or concessions

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Speaker 1: on key policy items, and at her press conference today,

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Speaker 1: Levitt held them to account for that.

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Speaker 9: Throughout this shutdown, Democrats have said this quiet part out loud.

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Speaker 9: Senator Chuck Schumer, the leader of the caucus that is

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Speaker 9: refusing to open the government, said, quote, every day gets

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Speaker 9: better as the shutdown continues.

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Speaker 1: Ask the at.

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Speaker 9: Air traffic controllers if every day is getting better, Senator Schumer,

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Speaker 9: and they will tell you absolutely not. House Democrat Catherine

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Speaker 9: Clark said, there are going to be families that are

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Speaker 9: going to suffer. We take that responsibility seriously. But this

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Speaker 9: is one of the few leverage points that we have.

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Speaker 9: Here is a House Democrat who is admitting that they

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Speaker 9: Senator Bernie Sanders said, if you reopen the government, we

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Speaker 9: lose our leverage. This is pure partisan games.

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Speaker 1: And in fact any objective observer can see this, but

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Speaker 1: of course our media is far from objective, so of

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Speaker 1: course all of the questions today were about what the

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Speaker 1: White House ballroom and the demolition of the East Wing

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Speaker 1: of the White House, which folks, I know you all

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Speaker 1: know this, but Democrats don't seem to. It is not

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Speaker 1: part of the White House proper. When you think of

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Speaker 1: the White House, you think of the house that is

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Speaker 1: the center part. There is an east wing, there is

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Speaker 1: a West wing, there is an Eisenhower executive building. There

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Speaker 1: are multiple buildings because there are so many people who

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Speaker 1: work at the quote unquote White House. The East Wing, yes,

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Speaker 1: was demolished. It is going to be rebuilt. The ballroom

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Speaker 1: is not going to dwarf the White House's size. I

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Speaker 1: think I've seen some incredible AI renderings of what Democrats fear.

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Speaker 1: This thing is going to look like. It's going to

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Speaker 1: look like the East Wing again, idiots. It just needs

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Speaker 1: to be modified so that we can add something that yes,

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Speaker 1: American presidents have wanted for a while. There is a

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Speaker 1: state dining room which is held for as you could imagine,

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Speaker 1: state dinners. There have been complaints forever that it's simply

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Speaker 1: too small, so of course, Caroline Levitt was forced to

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Speaker 1: answer questions about the construction of the White House ball room.

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Speaker 9: President has been incredibly transparent. I would reject any notion

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Speaker 9: otherwise when it comes to this ballroom project. It's something

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Speaker 9: he personally has obviously taken an interest into and has

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Speaker 9: talked with all of you in this room many times about.

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Speaker 9: You have seen the model in the Oval office last

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Speaker 9: night he showed up for you. But when this plan

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Speaker 9: was presented and when these renderings, as soon as they

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Speaker 9: were complete, the President directed me to come out here

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Speaker 9: and to share them with all of you. I did

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Speaker 9: an entire opening remarks about what this ballroom project was

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Speaker 9: going to look like. With any construction project, there are

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Speaker 9: changes over time as you assess what the project is

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Speaker 9: going to look like, and will continue to keep be

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Speaker 9: apprized of all of those changes. But just trust the process.

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Speaker 9: This is going to be a magnificent addition to the

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Speaker 9: White House for many years to come, and it's not

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Speaker 1: here at iHeart Media. Danielle do Close, the reporter for

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Speaker 1: Cap Times, was apparently interviewed by Spectrum News One, which

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Speaker 1: is the Spectrum Wisconsin news channel. It's actually a very

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Speaker 1: well done product. I was pleasantly surprised when they signed on.

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Speaker 1: And I no longer have Spectrum cable. We have YouTube TV,

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Speaker 1: so I don't get Spectrum News one. I was actually

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Speaker 1: always a fan, in fact a friend of mine when

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Speaker 1: I worked at TMJ four and the other radio station

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Speaker 1: who shares those call letters. She was the original news director.

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Speaker 1: I'm not actually sure if she's there anymore, but I

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Speaker 1: actually found that Spectrum News one is Diane Irvin. Producer

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Speaker 1: Eric is looking at me like I worked there too.

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Speaker 1: Who is it? Oh, Courtney Garish is there too?

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Speaker 5: Really?

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Speaker 1: Is she really? I see this? Oh you thought you saw?

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Speaker 1: Now we're spreading fake news. See I know Diane Anne

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Speaker 1: worked over there. I don't know if she does. Now again,

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Speaker 1: this isn't This isn't like dissing Spectrum news what. I

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Speaker 1: don't have the service, so I physically can't what I

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Speaker 1: suppose I could put it on right now we're on

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Speaker 1: Fox News. I'm not really getting a whole lot from

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Speaker 1: the five on Here they interviewed the Capital Times reporter

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Speaker 1: Danielle de Close, who broke the massive DPI scandal, that

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Speaker 1: there absolutely was a cover up of teacher sexual assault investigations.

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Speaker 1: It's not as and I'm sympathetic to the argument that Dan,

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Speaker 1: we can't just release these teachers' names if they were

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Speaker 1: cleared of any wrongdoing. Let's say it's a kid who

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Speaker 1: just doesn't like the teacher and says, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: accuse the teacher of touching my butt after class to

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Speaker 1: get the teacher in trouble, and it's investigated, and obviously

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Speaker 1: there's no wrongdoing. That teacher, if they're named, could very

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Speaker 1: obvious be smeared over this. The controversy is that investigations

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Speaker 1: are going away because DPI is giving these teachers the

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Speaker 1: option of merely surrendering their teacher's license in exchange for

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Speaker 1: the investigation being dropped. Now, this invariably will preclude any

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Speaker 1: law enforcement investigation, as schools clearly don't want the negative

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Speaker 1: attention and would prefer to keep these investigations in house.

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Speaker 1: These are crimes. These are crimes against children. These are

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Speaker 1: crimes against children committed by those who we hold up.

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Speaker 1: And we have a special place in society for teachers

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Speaker 1: and those who take care of our children, and when

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Speaker 1: they violate that trust, just as Catholic priests did a

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Speaker 1: generation or so a go that boiled up into a

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Speaker 1: massive scandal. If we're just allowing teachers to escape criminal

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Speaker 1: liability by okay, get out of the school move, how

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Speaker 1: is that any different from parishes just moving pedophile priests

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Speaker 1: onto the next unsuspecting parish. Oh well, Dan, they can't

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Speaker 1: teach anymore, all right. You need a teacher's license to

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Speaker 1: run an after school daycare program. You need a teacher's

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Speaker 1: license to I don't know, be a youth sports coach.

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Speaker 1: You can have access to children and if nobody knows

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Speaker 1: that you're a danger to those children. That's a big,

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Speaker 1: big problem. So Jill Underley was supposed to testify today

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Speaker 1: before the state Legislature. She skipped down to get this

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Speaker 1: still blows my mind, but distinguished a lum award from

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Speaker 1: Indiana University, a distinguished a lum award. While she is

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Speaker 1: actively covering she he is terrified of this, folks, Evers

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Speaker 1: is terrified of this. Every Democrat is terrified of this.

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Speaker 1: This is why they are attempting to put this story

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Speaker 1: in the talk radio ghetto. And cap Times is a

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Speaker 1: very liberal publication, and I hope they enjoy what we

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Speaker 1: get All the time on this show. I will have

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Speaker 1: a bombshell investigation that just gets ignored. Sometimes the Journal

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Speaker 1: Sentinel will run my story a week later without any

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Speaker 1: attribution because it's it's not a big deal. They won't,

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Speaker 1: in other words, give it any oxygen. They won't allow

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Speaker 1: it to escape the talk radio get it. Well, if

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Speaker 1: it's only the right wing troglodites who listen to Dan

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Speaker 1: O'Donnell who hear his clap trap, who cares. But if

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Speaker 1: it's in the pristine pages of the Wisconsin State Journal,

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Speaker 1: or if it makes the CBS fifty eight evening news. Well,

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Speaker 1: then in their eyes it has some legitimacy and it

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Speaker 1: becomes a major cap times is having this story talk

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Speaker 1: radio gettoed right before their eyes, and I hope it

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Speaker 1: opens some eyes over there about what it is the

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Speaker 1: media does when there is a story that is a

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Speaker 1: grave threat to the electoral power of Democrats in this state.

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Speaker 1: Not only did DPI do its level best to obstruct

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Speaker 1: the investigation into this, that Danielle do close give her

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Speaker 1: every statewide investigative journalism or just do it, Honest to goodness,

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Speaker 1: I believe this story is pull it sir worthy. This

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Speaker 1: is the sort of investigative report. I was just meeting

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Speaker 1: with somebody today this morning to talk about the importance

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Speaker 1: of investigative journalism to help the next generation of investigative

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Speaker 1: and broadcast journalists, because whether you do what I do

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Speaker 1: investigative slash opinion journalism, when you actually hold powerful people

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Speaker 1: to account and when you uncover actual corruption, that's the

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Speaker 1: highest and best use of your skills as a journalist.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't just that DPII was ams for individual school

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Speaker 1: districts were attempting to charge this reporter two hundred and

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Speaker 1: forty five thousand dollars for records related to teacher misconduct.

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Speaker 1: Assuming it would take an employee earning thirty five dollars

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Speaker 1: an hour about six thousand, nine hundred hours to search

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Speaker 1: for all the relevant records. That's equivalent to a full

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Speaker 1: time worker devoting nearly three and a half years to

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Speaker 1: that task. But low clearly it wasn't. They threw up

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Speaker 1: this number knowing full well that the cap times would

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Speaker 1: never ever, ever ever be able to pay it. There

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Speaker 1: was no chance they'd ever to be pay it, and

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Speaker 1: with no record, there's no story. You see, this is

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Speaker 1: actually a rather common tech dick, and I will give

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Speaker 1: credit to the overwhelming majority of public agencies, especially Milwaukee

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Speaker 1: County and state agencies. They have very low costs. You're

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Speaker 1: literally paying for the cost of the paper your document

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Speaker 1: is printed on. This was a clear intent, a clear attempt,

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Speaker 1: I should say, to obstruct this investigation and to try

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Speaker 1: to further cover up wrongdoing by teachers in these districts,

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Speaker 1: wrongdoing that I think all parents would consider the worst

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Speaker 1: possible rondoing you're listening to the Dan O'Donnell show, it

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Speaker 1: is a tour de force of truth.

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Speaker 5: It was.

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Speaker 1: Intelligent discourse and irreverent fun. We do both hopefully an

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Speaker 1: equal measure here on the Dan o'donald Show. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to it. Coming up in the five o'clock hour, we

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Speaker 1: talk with Groper Norquist of Americans for Tax Reform about

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Speaker 1: the ongoing government shut down. Now in its twenty third day,

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Speaker 1: it is the second longest government shutdown of all time,

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Speaker 1: and just how President Trump, as well as his Office

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Speaker 1: of Management and Budget Director Russ Vote, can use that

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Speaker 1: shutdown to dramatically shrink the size of government. Really looking

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Speaker 1: forward to that conversation. Coming up in about ten fifteen

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Speaker 1: minutes or so, we will talk with Wisconsin Lieutenant governor

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Speaker 1: candidate David Varnum. He is a Republican who is running

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Speaker 1: for a second shot at being the Republican nominee. So

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Speaker 1: too is Will Martin, who we had on the program

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Speaker 1: on Monday after he announced. Attorney General candidate Eric Tony

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Speaker 1: announced his second straight run for the position. What's old

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Speaker 1: is new again, and that's not sitting well with a

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Speaker 1: whole lot of people in either party. We reported exclusively

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday that Tim Michaels was at the White House

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Speaker 1: and Michael's supporters were very very quick to say, Dan,

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Speaker 1: this had nothing to do with him seeking President Trump's endorsement.

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Speaker 1: He didn't even meet with Trump. It was a pipeline

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Speaker 1: commission issue. He's on some pipeline commission that meets periodically

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Speaker 1: at the White House. I said, well, the timing is

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Speaker 1: a little suspicious. It struck me as something of a

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Speaker 1: trial balloon, the idea that Tim Michaels would make another

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Speaker 1: run for governor, and it was met by a whole

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Speaker 1: lot of opposition. There is a tremendous reticence amongst people

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Speaker 1: to run the same candidate again, and for good reason.

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Speaker 1: It is very, very difficult to win an election for

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Speaker 1: a seat that you've already lost. President Trump did it

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Speaker 1: in spite of the fact that Democrats threw everything they

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Speaker 1: could at him, including four indictments to federal and two

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Speaker 1: state criminal convictions, a mugshot, all of it. And he

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Speaker 1: was successful largely because he really is a generational political figure,

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Speaker 1: and also because of the historic ineptitude of the Biden

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Speaker 1: administration that said to people, we can't afford we literally

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Speaker 1: cannot afford four more years of Biden Harris policies. We

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Speaker 1: will be bankrupt. But it's the exception to the rule.

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Speaker 1: Once you are Once you run for a position and lose,

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Speaker 1: it's very difficult to win again. So people say, look,

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Speaker 1: Tim Michaels had his chance, and we don't want him again.

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Speaker 1: On the Democrat side, it is remarkable that for two

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Speaker 1: consecutive days you had the New York Times and the

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Speaker 1: Milwaukee Courier, which is a black newspaper in the city,

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Speaker 1: both encouraging Mandela Barnes not to run for governor or

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Speaker 1: saying that, Okay, Mandela, we know you're almost certainly going

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Speaker 1: to run. This race is way too important for you

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Speaker 1: and your idiocy to mess things up. That's kind of remarkable.

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Speaker 1: Democrats don't do that sort of thing. Republicans do. We

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Speaker 1: get in circular firing squads all the time. I mean,

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Speaker 1: look at all the finger pointing and all the blaming

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Speaker 1: there was following Michael's Gubernatoria loss. Just look at the

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Speaker 1: finger pointing and blame game following the three straight Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court defeats. And that helps to illustrate my point and

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Speaker 1: why so many people who are involved in politics, both

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Speaker 1: Republicans and Democrats, say, look, we don't want somebody who

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Speaker 1: the public has already rendered judgment on coming back and

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Speaker 1: trying to change minds because it doesn't really happen. In

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, Dan Kelly ran for a full term on

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Speaker 1: the state's highest court, and in the COVID election he

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Speaker 1: got shellacked by ten points. He ran again three years later,

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Speaker 1: he lost by eleven points. He tried to seek the

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Speaker 1: same office even though he had lost. It didn't work.

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Speaker 1: It was for control of the state Supreme Court. Everybody

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Speaker 1: knew it was for control of the State Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: It was easily the most expensive election that was ever

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Speaker 1: waged for a judicial seat in this country. And then

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Speaker 1: this past year Republicans Conservatives ran Brad Shimmel, who lost

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Speaker 1: in his bid for a third term as Wisconsin's Attorney

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Speaker 1: general in twenty eighteen. He lost by an even bigger

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Speaker 1: margin than dan Kelly did. And that's not all on Shimmel.

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Speaker 1: That's not all on dan Kelly. Obviously, there are other

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Speaker 1: factors in these races. I've talked about this ad nauseum,

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Speaker 1: but this goes to serve the point that it's probably

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Speaker 1: unless you have somebody who lost in truly unusual circumstance,

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Speaker 1: says as Trump did in twenty twenty and he is

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Speaker 1: the leader of an entire movement. He is a truly

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Speaker 1: transcendent political figure. Those do not come along all that often.

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Speaker 1: And you know, suffice it to say, man deadbeat Barnes

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Speaker 1: and Tim Michaels are not transcendent political figures. In fact,

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Speaker 1: both are regarded as sort of okay, average. I guess

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Speaker 1: you could do worse. In the case of Mandela, the

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Speaker 1: Milwaukee Courier in particular is saying, no, we actually cannot

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Speaker 1: do worse. We can do a lot better. Mandela would

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Speaker 1: be the guy who loses this race, and in fact

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Speaker 1: it was only Mandela and the state treasurer candidate also lost,

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Speaker 1: John liber One statewide. He's seeking another term as state treasurer,

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Speaker 1: a job that really doesn't have any actual real duties.

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Speaker 1: So it's not as though this is something that really

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Speaker 1: there was a whole lot of focus on or or

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Speaker 1: attention paid to. And I believe Libor was the incumbent,

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Speaker 1: and so too was Johnson, if memory serves, And what

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Speaker 1: essentially happened was that incumbents just won. It was a

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Speaker 1: strong incumbency election. Well, at the top of the ticket,

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Speaker 1: you don't have an incumbent. Tony Evers isn't running again.

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Speaker 1: This means this race is wide open, and I think

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Speaker 1: both sides are saying we're not going to leave anything

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Speaker 1: to chance. I believe the Republican Party and its donors

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Speaker 1: would very much like the field to be effectively cleared

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Speaker 1: for Tom Tiffany. Democrats don't have that luxury. They have

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Speaker 1: got a crowded primary. Eventually, they're going to coalesce around somebody.

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Speaker 1: My money would still be on David Crowley, although don't

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Speaker 1: put it past Democrats to just look past all of

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Speaker 1: man deadbeat's flaws, and trust me, we have spent years

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Speaker 1: and years and years documenting all of his flaws. They

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Speaker 1: will eventually line up behind whoever their candidate is. You

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Speaker 1: will not hear a negative word said or written about

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Speaker 1: them again in the New York Times, in the Milwaukee Courier,

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Speaker 1: in the Journal centerl anywhere on any TV station. He

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Speaker 1: will just be the candidate that can do no wrong.

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Speaker 1: But the fact that this is coming out now speaks

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Speaker 1: volumes about just what Democrats really do think about their

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Speaker 1: front runner. And I think it's also very telling that

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Speaker 1: in the Courier editorial the staff it was attributed to

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Speaker 1: the editorial staff of the career. They made the comparison

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Speaker 1: to Kamala Harris, They made the open comparison that we

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Speaker 1: don't want her running again too, because she couldn't beat Trump.

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Speaker 1: She couldn't save us from Trump, and Mandela couldn't save

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Speaker 1: us from Ron Johnson. And it wasn't as though he

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Speaker 1: didn't have a ton of money. It wasn't as though

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Speaker 1: Republicans weren't dramatically outspent EveryWare. He had every advantage you

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Speaker 1: could think of. Democrats wanted the Johnson seat. In fact,

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Speaker 1: that's why I think there's so much lingering animosity towards

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Speaker 1: Mandeadbeat is because he couldn't get the guy. The field

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Speaker 1: was cleared for him. Alex Lazrie and Sarah Godluski were

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Speaker 1: forced to drop out of the race so that man

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Speaker 1: deadbeat would win handily. He was handed that nomination and

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Speaker 1: he couldn't beat the number one target that Democrats had

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Speaker 1: in the entire Senate. All right, we will stick with

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Speaker 1: state politics. Lieutenant Governor candidate David Varnum coming up next.

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Speaker 1: This is the Dan o'donna Shows. Welcome back to the

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Speaker 1: Dan o'donald Show. The political season is in full swing.

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Speaker 1: A reminder we are going to be talking to Grover

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Speaker 1: Norquist coming up to discuss the ongoing political battle over

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Speaker 1: the federal government shut down that's coming up at the

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Speaker 1: top of the hour. Right now, our focus is squarely

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Speaker 1: back on the upcoming gubernatorial and lieutenant governor race. Joining

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Speaker 1: us now is LG candidate David Varnum. David, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Dan o'donald show.

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Speaker 5: Great to have you, Great to be with you, Dan.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: So you announced about a month or so ago that

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Speaker 1: you're running for a second time for lieutenant General for

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Speaker 1: lieutenant governor. You ran first in twenty twenty two. Why

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Speaker 1: make second.

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Speaker 10: Run because I'm even more concerned today than I was

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Speaker 10: a few years ago on the direction of our state

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Speaker 10: and what will happen if we allow another liberal governor.

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Speaker 5: To be elected of this great state.

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Speaker 10: And I'm a I'm a father and a husband, and

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Speaker 10: I worry about the future of my family, and I

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Speaker 10: know that other families in Wisconsin are worried as well.

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Speaker 1: So last time you actually won a couple of counties,

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Speaker 1: you finished what eighth out of the nine candidates on

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Speaker 1: the ballot. What do you think is going to be

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Speaker 1: this time around? How do you get into that top

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Speaker 1: tier of candidates. If in fact, a number of others

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Speaker 1: get in the race, I believe it's just you and

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Speaker 1: Will Martin, who made his announcement earlier this week. What

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Speaker 1: are you planning to do differently to really engage voters

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Speaker 1: in the Republican primary?

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Speaker 5: Yep. I was a candidate in twenty two.

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Speaker 10: I finished seventh out of the eighth candidates on about

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Speaker 10: is It?

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Speaker 1: Sorry? E eight of it? There were so many any

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Speaker 1: of you, David, It's hard to keep track.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I agree, And I was one of just three

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Speaker 10: candidates out of that total that won their home county.

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Speaker 5: I won Grant.

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Speaker 10: I also won Lafayette County, and it came down to

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Speaker 10: the people that knew me voted for me, and I

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Speaker 10: needed to do a better job of fundraising to help

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Speaker 10: get that message out. And so we're tackling that a

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Speaker 10: lot harder this time. I think we're doing better at

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Speaker 10: the fundraising and I'm traveling all over the state as well,

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Speaker 10: just like I did last time. In less than four weeks,

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Speaker 10: I have driven over five thousand miles so far. In fact,

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Speaker 10: had to buy a new car this week because I

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Speaker 10: went in and they said your engines leaking and your

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Speaker 10: transmissions leaking. I think it's time at two hundred and

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Speaker 10: thirty nine thousand miles to get a new car for

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Speaker 10: this campaign.

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Speaker 5: So that's what we had to do.

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Speaker 1: My goodness, two hundred and thirty nine thousand miles. That

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Speaker 1: had to be a Toyota, right.

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Speaker 10: It was a Ford Explorer, and that's exactly what I'm buying, wow,

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Speaker 10: to replace it?

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Speaker 5: All right?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 1: By an American? I love it. I love it. So

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Speaker 1: there are as part of you know, getting the donor

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Speaker 1: base up, it's really more I think about getting your

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Speaker 1: name out there. And there are probably a whole lot

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Speaker 1: of our listeners right now who really don't know a

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Speaker 1: lot about you. Give us a quick background on who

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Speaker 1: exactly David Varnum is.

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Speaker 10: I'm the former mayor of Lancaster, which is in Grant

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Speaker 10: County in the southwest corner right near Illinois and Iowa.

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Speaker 10: I'm also a former congressional aid to a conservative Member

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Speaker 10: of Congress from southern California of all places, where I

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Speaker 10: was a housing, water and transportation aid out of his

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Speaker 10: district office. And then finally I was a legislative analyst

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Speaker 10: for doctor James Dobson at Focus on the Family for

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Speaker 10: two years as well, so a very unique background, you know,

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Speaker 10: rural mayor suburban congressional aid. I think I have a

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Speaker 10: very unique perspective and background that would assist me if

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Speaker 10: elected with Turin governor.

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Speaker 1: Now, it does seem that a whole lot of the

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Speaker 1: party's power base is lining up behind Will Martin. We

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Speaker 1: had him on the Dan O'Donnell show a couple of

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Speaker 1: days ago when he made his announcement. It seems as

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Speaker 1: though that, unlike twenty twenty two, the Republican Party of

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Speaker 1: Wisconsin is very interested in avoiding these giant primaries. Of course,

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Speaker 1: you guys in the LG's race were very civil, but

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Speaker 1: it was a very crowded primary, and the governor's race,

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Speaker 1: Rebecca Clayfish and Tim Michaels just went at it ensuring

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Speaker 1: that whoever emerged from that primary was battered and bloodied.

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Speaker 1: Politically speaking, that turned out to be Tim Michaels. How

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Speaker 1: do you counter the belief amongst voters and people in

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party that Will Martin is sort of the

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Speaker 1: preferred candidate, that he's the guy we're going to go with,

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Speaker 1: and that anybody else in this race is like a

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Speaker 1: second tier candidate. And I don't mean any disrespect by that.

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Speaker 1: Please don't don't misunderstand me. But I just I'm sort

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Speaker 1: of reading the political room here, and that's kind of

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Speaker 1: the sense that I'm getting.

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Speaker 10: I understand that some might think that that's not the

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Speaker 10: impression I'm getting. On the ground, I'm getting a lot

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Speaker 10: of people that I'm so thankful that you ran again

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Speaker 10: because last time I supported so and so or so

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Speaker 10: and so. I've been all over the state even this week.

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Speaker 10: I've been in Wasau and Lacrosse. Last week I was

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Speaker 10: in different corners. So I'm working really hard to gain

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Speaker 10: people's trust. But what it comes down to is I

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Speaker 10: think this race is going to matter about issues and background.

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Speaker 10: Will's a nice guy. I'm from another part of the state.

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Speaker 10: I'm a social conservative, I'm a fiscal conservative, and I'm

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Speaker 10: talking about issues that i think matter to people. I'm

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Speaker 10: talking about how we need to make sure that our

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Speaker 10: local and state law enforcem work with federal immigration authorities

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Speaker 10: to deport criminal legal aliens. I'm working with the next

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Speaker 10: governor if i'm elected, to make sure that we bring

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Speaker 10: down our taxes. I'm a former rural mayor from the

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Speaker 10: Southwest corner we were constantly competing with Iowa and Illinois

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Speaker 10: for businesses and employees, and that's experience that I can

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Speaker 10: bring as the next lieutenant governor.

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Speaker 5: I'm a girl dad.

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Speaker 10: We need to do more to make sure that we

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Speaker 10: keep men out of our women's locker rooms and their sports.

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Speaker 5: And then on.

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Speaker 10: Education, we need to be talking about education, and I

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Speaker 10: support a parent's right to choose the best education for their.

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Speaker 5: Child and have a voice for that education.

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Speaker 10: I'm tired of schools thinking that parents don't have a

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Speaker 10: right to know what goes on once the door shuts,

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Speaker 10: and we need to change that.

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Speaker 5: And those are the.

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Speaker 10: Issues that if I'm elected next lieutenant governor, I'm going

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Speaker 10: to be talking about.

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Speaker 5: And I think those issues resonate with people.

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Speaker 1: I think they absolutely do. The keeping boys out of girls'

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Speaker 1: locker rooms. I actually just broke a big story about

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Speaker 1: that exact thing happening at the Racine Aquatic Center, So

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Speaker 1: that definitely is something that's going to be top of mine.

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Speaker 1: David Varnum is running for Lieutenant governor. Sir, Where can

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Speaker 1: people go to find out more about your campaign or

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Speaker 1: donate to.

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Speaker 10: It David Varnum dot com. I'm also on Facebook, at,

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Speaker 10: David C. Varnum and x at de Varnum, and Varnum

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Speaker 10: is spelled vas in, Victory aar Innis and Nancy as

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Speaker 10: an apple, Emmas and Mary.

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Speaker 1: All right, he is David Varnum, sir. Always do appreciate

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Speaker 1: talking with you. Best of luck this campaign.

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Speaker 5: All right, thank you so much, appreciate your hand.

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Speaker 1: In the pleasure is all mine. I am Dan o'donald.

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Speaker 1: We will be right back before you know your divorce

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Speaker 1: of truth. It is the Dan o'donald Show. Thanks once

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Speaker 1: again to David Varnum, who is running for Lieutenant governor

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Speaker 1: for a second time, for joining us on the Dan

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Speaker 1: o'donald Show. Boy, what's old is new again? For a

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Speaker 1: whole lot of candidates already declaring for race. You got

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Speaker 1: Will Martin, David Varnum and the lieutenant governor's race. You

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Speaker 1: have got Eric Tony, who joined us a couple of

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Speaker 1: days ago on the program announcing once again for an

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Speaker 1: attorney general's run. You have got man deadbeat Barnes, almost

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Speaker 1: certain to announce very shortly, despite the fact that nobody

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Speaker 1: in the party who is talking to The New York

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Speaker 1: Times wants him to do so. If you missed that

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Speaker 1: story two days ago. It is rather remarkable. You don't

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Speaker 1: see that level of hit piece ever done against a

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Speaker 1: Democrat in the pages of the New York Times, unless

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Speaker 1: it's there to send a message. Unless the message clearly

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Speaker 1: is Mandela, don't run. Even though you rather obviously are

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Speaker 1: going to run. You're not going to have the institutional

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Speaker 1: support that you think you do. Time right now to

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Speaker 1: name the unsung hero of the day, Yeah, Well, the

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Speaker 1: unsung heroes today are the friends and family and community

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Speaker 1: in Washington State that helped save a wedding for a

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Speaker 1: bride and groom in less than forty eight hours after

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Speaker 1: a windstorm destroyed the original setup. The story comes to

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Speaker 1: us from of all places, People Magazine. Caitlin Thompson and

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Speaker 1: Tyler Grant, both twenty five, they received a devastating call

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Speaker 1: their venue was demolished the day before their wedding. Just

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Speaker 1: imagine getting that phone call two thirty am on Friday,

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Speaker 1: October tenth. They were set to tie the knot at

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Speaker 1: their family farm on Saturday, October eleventh. The bride's grandmother,

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Speaker 1: Kathy Harrison, heartbreakingly told the couple a massive sixty mile

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Speaker 1: an hour in storm blew through and demolished the tents

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Speaker 1: and the entire setup. Karen Thompson tells people we lost

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Speaker 1: the tents to core and hundreds of hours of work.

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Speaker 1: Karen would be the bride's forty eight year old mother.

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Speaker 1: Nearly everything had been ready to go. Kathy had stayed

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Speaker 1: in her camping trailer at the farm to keep an

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Speaker 1: eye on things when disaster struck. She recalls, when I

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Speaker 1: look through the camp or window, all I could think

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Speaker 1: about was my granddaughter's broken heart. The couple was absolutely

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Speaker 1: devastate as you could imagine, but Tyler, the groom to be,

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Speaker 1: immediately went to work to try to save the things

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Speaker 1: he could. From two thirty am to seven am, a

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Speaker 1: group of about a dozen family members and friends worked

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Speaker 1: through the wreckage to save the minimal decorations they could. Together,

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Speaker 1: they came up with an action plan, Mom says, on

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Speaker 1: how we could save this wedding and pursue a new dream.

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Speaker 1: During the groom's father's trip to their local home depot

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Speaker 1: that morning to rent a big box truck to load

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Speaker 1: the tables, chairs, and other wedding items, the woman checking

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Speaker 1: him out gave him a list of venues to try

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Speaker 1: reaching out to the maid of honor began going through

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Speaker 1: the list, calling to share the wedding nightmare, along with

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Speaker 1: a plea for help, as if it was fate. Popular

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Speaker 1: wedding venue, Sugar Pine Barn in nearby Benton City, happened

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Speaker 1: to have no wedding scheduled for that day, the only

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Speaker 1: Saturday left open for the year. Can you believe that?

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Speaker 1: So nine am Friday, wedding is scheduled for Saturday. Owner says,

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Speaker 1: come in ten am Saturday to start setting up. Everyone

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Speaker 1: instantly sprang into action. Caitlin, the bride, says, we had

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Speaker 1: roughly twenty four hours to make this happen. Friends and

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Speaker 1: family worked extremely hard all twenty four of those hours

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Speaker 1: putting together flowers, salvaging decorations, and creating a new vision

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Speaker 1: of what would now be our dream wedding. We had

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Speaker 1: over fifty people. Fifty people step up and help us.

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Speaker 1: The one thing left standing from the original wedding setup

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Speaker 1: was in approximately one one hundred year old grain silo

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Speaker 1: that was rebuilt as an altar. It's the only thing

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Speaker 1: left stand. Caitlyn and Tyler thought it would be the fitting,

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Speaker 1: perfectly fitting that that would be the way they privately

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Speaker 1: exchange vows there to symbolize their unbreakable bond. They did

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Speaker 1: so at ten pm Friday. On Saturday, every single person

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Speaker 1: showed up plus more. Despite the two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: wedding guests being re routed at such late notice, the

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Speaker 1: wedding started right on time thanks to everyone's speedy support.

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Speaker 1: It was apparently a beautiful ceremony, and Caitlyn says of

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Speaker 1: them exchanging their vows in private at this grain silo,

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Speaker 1: she said, this silo has survived many storms, and what

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Speaker 1: a perfect place for where Tyler and I can set

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Speaker 1: our strong foundation through our vows for our marriage. The

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Speaker 1: silo is a true testament that no matter how strong

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Speaker 1: the storm is, it is truly the people we have

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Speaker 1: and the firm foundation of life we create that allows

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Speaker 1: us to withstand the storm. What a perfect perspective on life,

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Speaker 1: not just a wedding, but life. And Caitlin and Tyler

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Speaker 1: and all of the people who worked so tirelessly to

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Speaker 1: save their wedding. They are your unsung heroes of the day.

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Speaker 1: What an incredible story, very uplifting, very heartwarming. The Dan

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Speaker 1: O'Donnell show will be right back with more conservative thought

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Speaker 1: and not just talk after this Welcome back to the

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Speaker 1: Dan o'donald show. Coming up in this the five o'clock

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Speaker 1: hour as a gambling scandal Royals the NBA the World

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Speaker 1: Series starts tomorrow. We will focus once again on the

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Speaker 1: economics of baseball and sports more generally. In just a second,

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Speaker 1: we focus on the economics of this country with one

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Speaker 1: of the pre eminent tax and fiscal policy experts in America.

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Speaker 1: I'm so pleased to be joined by Growford Norquist. First

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Speaker 1: though nationwide keyword this hour the fall fortune, cash contest

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Speaker 1: dollar d l lar dollar. You have got until five

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Speaker 1: to the top of the hour, plenty of time to

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Speaker 1: go to our website, enter the key word dollar. Your

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Speaker 1: entry is picked up. End them one thousand of those

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Speaker 1: dollars in your pocket, well more than one thousand dollars,

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Speaker 1: but thirty eight well more than one thousand dollars, thirty

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Speaker 1: eight trillion, to be precise, the new size of the

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Speaker 1: national debt. Given that, given the ongoing government shut down,

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Speaker 1: given the fact that President Trump could use this as

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to cut government, we thought what better time

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Speaker 1: to talk with the great Grover Norquist of Americans for

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Speaker 1: tax Reform. He joins us now sir, it is truly

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Speaker 1: a pleasure to have you on. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for taking the time for us.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and yes, the debt is too high. Government spending

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Speaker 3: is too high. The Democrat Party says their solution is

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Speaker 3: to increase spending by one and a half trillion that's

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Speaker 3: with the t one and a half trillion million dollars

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Speaker 3: above what it is now as the opening bid, to

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Speaker 3: then talk to the Republicans about possibly opening up the government.

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Speaker 3: The Republicans and President Trump just made this emphatically clear.

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Speaker 5: Just the other day when he said.

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Speaker 3: There will be no negotiations on the budget because we

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Speaker 3: have to talk about the budget for next year. But

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Speaker 3: there will be no negotiations on the budget until the

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Speaker 3: Democrats agree to open the government. And that should happen.

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Speaker 3: It should have happened a long time ago. Thirteen times

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Speaker 3: the Democrats have voted to have a continuing resolution basically

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Speaker 3: continue spending as is while they work on getting a

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Speaker 3: budget done.

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Speaker 11: This is not unusual.

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Speaker 3: And the leader of the Democratic Party, mister Schumer out

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Speaker 3: of New York, head of the Senate, the head of

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Speaker 3: the Democrats in the House, Jeffreys, he's also out of

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Speaker 3: New York, uh New York City. And the lady who

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Speaker 3: wants to challenge Schumer is also out of.

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Speaker 11: New York City.

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Speaker 3: They've really these all from one city. That these leaders

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Speaker 3: of the One Party are not from the Midwest, not

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Speaker 3: from the West, not from the south, not even from

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Speaker 3: the northeast. They're from New York City, a couple of

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Speaker 3: boroughs in New New York City. Which is why they

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Speaker 3: all think and look and smell alike. I mean, it's

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Speaker 3: just amazing that that they've shrunk this much in terms

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Speaker 3: of their leadership of the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 10: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And they they're all they're asking for is more and

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Speaker 3: more money. Trump has said in the Republican leadership in

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Speaker 3: the House and the Senate Senator soon uh and Johnson

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Speaker 3: Mark Mike Johnson in the House has said, look, let's

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Speaker 3: open the government up and then the Republicans have been

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Speaker 3: passing by the way through the House and try to

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Speaker 3: pass with the Senate. The Democrats would hope the defense budget.

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Speaker 3: We could do that tomorrow. The Democrats have voted now,

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Speaker 3: so they won't even agree to pay our troops, never

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Speaker 3: mind everybody else. We could do this step by step.

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Speaker 3: We don't have to do it all at once. If

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Speaker 3: that scares them, but we could at least open up

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Speaker 3: the government, let it function as we continue to do

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Speaker 3: the work. The Democrats are getting they're getting paid. Democratic

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Speaker 3: senators are getting paid. Democratic House guys are getting paid.

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Speaker 3: They haven't written a budget, they haven't passed anything. The

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Speaker 3: Republicans have put things together, and the deeds are just said.

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Speaker 1: Nah, Well, doesn't this sort of go along with what

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Speaker 1: the number two Democrat in the House of Representatives, who

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Speaker 1: shockingly is not from New York City, Catherine Clark, the

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Speaker 1: House Minority whips, said on the Fox News channel. She

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Speaker 1: sat down with Chad program last week and said, I mean,

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Speaker 1: shutdowns are terrible, and of course there will be you know,

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Speaker 1: families that are going to suffer. We take that responsibility

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Speaker 1: very seriously. But it is one of the few leverage

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Speaker 1: times we have that sort of gives up the game.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it that they're holding the government hostage so that

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Speaker 1: they can get that one point five trillion dollars in

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Speaker 1: new spending.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but the challenge is you only get that if

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Speaker 3: you can trick the establishment press into repeating the Republicans

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Speaker 3: have closed the government down. The Democrats want to open

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Speaker 3: it up. That's why they need a few trillion dollars

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Speaker 3: of things in order to do it, He or she

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Speaker 3: is saying, we've shut the government down in order to

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Speaker 3: hold hostage every government employee, every person who functions with

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Speaker 3: the government. We're going to hold them hostage like hostages

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Speaker 3: in a bank, and until we get the cash and

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Speaker 3: a plane trip to Cuba. You know, we're not letting

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Speaker 3: go of the hostages. You can't announce you've got hostages

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Speaker 3: and then announce you.

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Speaker 1: The good right. That's it exactly, and this is precisely

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Speaker 1: what they're doing. But it seems as though President Trump

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Speaker 1: and the Republicans have a great deal of leverage themselves,

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Speaker 1: and they've been intimating that russ vote. As I believe

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Speaker 1: President Trump called him Darth Vader yesterday. He has the ability,

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Speaker 1: through the Office of Management and Budget to dramatically reduce

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Speaker 1: the size of government, dramatically cutting positions almost invariably in

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Speaker 1: areas that Democrats prefer that these areas and departments be

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Speaker 1: well staffed. This is something that's sort of hanging in

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Speaker 1: the background that Trump could actually use this shutdown to

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Speaker 1: affect real change started by doge in cutting the size

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Speaker 1: of government.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, and at some point it's his responsibility to

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Speaker 3: do that because the Democrats will not allow us to

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Speaker 3: pay some of the people who are necessary for government.

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Speaker 3: So what we need to do is let go those

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Speaker 3: government employees who are duplicative. And the way this government's

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Speaker 3: been built up, there are departments in many different areas

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Speaker 3: that do the same thing. There are people tripping all

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Speaker 3: over each other trying to accomplish the same stated goals.

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Speaker 3: They've hired people who didn't work very well. But since

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Speaker 3: it's impossible to fire people, or almost impossible to fire

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Speaker 3: people in Washington, d c. Instead of firing somebody and

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Speaker 3: hiring a new person, they just hire a second and

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Speaker 3: a third person to do the work of the one

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Speaker 3: person who wasn't capable of getting anything done. So we

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Speaker 3: have a great deal of fat in the federal government,

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Speaker 3: a great deal in competency that builds up. I mean,

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Speaker 3: they're two million people, right. This is not criticizing all

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Speaker 3: government workers. They're two million people. Some of them don't

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Speaker 3: show up for work on a regular basis. Yeah, And

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Speaker 3: the people who've gotten caught doing that, it can take

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Speaker 3: you months or years, in some cases forever to fire

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Speaker 3: somebody who refuses to show.

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Speaker 1: Up, which is still absolutely mind boggling and infuriating. Grover Norquist,

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Speaker 1: the founder and president of Americans for Tax Reform, joining

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Speaker 1: me here on the Dan O'Donnell Show, and sir, what

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Speaker 1: you I think are also seeing in this shutdown, as

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Speaker 1: opposed to pretty much any before it, including the longest

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Speaker 1: one we ever had back in twenty seventeen, is sort

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Speaker 1: of a lack of this hair on fire screeching about

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Speaker 1: just how the federal government being partially shut down is

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Speaker 1: going to destroy people's lives. I think the general sense

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Speaker 1: that most of the American people are getting is that, hey,

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Speaker 1: wait a second, the government is shut down and it

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Speaker 1: has no impact on my life whatsoever. Do you find

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Speaker 1: that same dynamic at play?

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Speaker 3: I live in d C. And you think that's more

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Speaker 3: effective than other places, and we're not really seeing it

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Speaker 3: at present. The other piece of this is, as you

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Speaker 3: point out, is it's different because this time the establishment

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Speaker 3: press doesn't run the country. Yeah, there's Fox TV, there's

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Speaker 3: talk radio, there are podcasts, and there's X, there's Twitter,

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Speaker 3: and there's uncensored Twitter. Right even when Trump was president,

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Speaker 3: the Democrat congressmen, we're threatening Facebook and others to shut

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Speaker 3: down conservative voices that's over. Even before Trump won reelection,

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Speaker 3: the head of Facebook Zuckerberg got up and said, talking

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Speaker 3: about brave guy before the election, I e. You know,

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Speaker 3: what what if Trump had what if Trump had lost? Right?

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Speaker 3: They said, we were forced threatened by the federal government,

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Speaker 3: by Obama and company and Hillary Clinton's guys and stuff.

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Speaker 3: And they said, if they'd go after us and destroy

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Speaker 3: our companies, uh with you know, antitrust and other attacks

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Speaker 3: and so on, if we didn't shut down conservative voices.

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Speaker 3: And I'm ashamed that happened and it won't happen again.

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Speaker 5: But this is this is what happened. And it was

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Speaker 5: not just then.

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Speaker 3: There was other groups that were threatened to and this

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Speaker 3: time around the media is free to actually report things

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Speaker 3: that are true. They're not threatened by the government action

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Speaker 3: against So another look tries to pretend that if the

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Speaker 3: liberal media isn't allowed to say so, the liberal media

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Speaker 3: says anything they want, but their voice is not the

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Speaker 3: only voice heard. And so they say the Republicans shut

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Speaker 3: it down, but you can turn the channel somewhere ups

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Speaker 3: and they say, well, let's see if that's true. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: here is the head of the Democrats seven months ago

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Speaker 3: saying we do not want to shut the government down

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Speaker 3: yet and then later saying now we're going to shut

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Speaker 3: the government down. So the Democrats has been clear that

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Speaker 3: that's what they're doing, and the press used to lie

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Speaker 3: successfully for them.

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Speaker 1: That's actually an excellent point that they don't have that

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Speaker 1: monopoly on the narrative. They don't have the ability to

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Speaker 1: just crowd out any more accurate reporting on this, and

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Speaker 1: I think that is a big disadvantage that Democrats themselves

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Speaker 1: don't quite realize, is the new reality that people don't

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Speaker 1: get their information solely from the nightly news or the

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Speaker 1: morning newspaper anymore, that we have a very strong and

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Speaker 1: robust citizen press that oftentimes can be trusted more to

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Speaker 1: bring accurate reporting than those legacy news outlets, which you

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Speaker 1: have just gone from being biased to the left to

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Speaker 1: outright propagandists. I do want to get your thoughts, sir,

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Speaker 1: about the fact that we did top thirty eight trillion

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Speaker 1: dollars on the national debt clock today. We were talking

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Speaker 1: about unsustainability in the extreme when the national debt was

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Speaker 1: at seventeen trillion. This seems like a recipe for disaster

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Speaker 1: far quicker than anybody has feared.

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Speaker 3: Well, yes, and we need to remember the challenge is

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Speaker 3: not the total debt. The challenge is total spending every year.

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Speaker 3: The cost of government is how much.

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Speaker 11: Money the government federal, state, and local, takes out of

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Speaker 11: the economy, and the regulatory burden where the government says, well,

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Speaker 11: we're not going to take your money, but we're going

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Speaker 11: to tell you what to do with it, right, which

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Speaker 11: might as well have taken it and spent it themselves.

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Speaker 3: You add the regulatory burden and the tax burden together,

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Speaker 3: that's the cost of government. It doesn't really matter whether

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Speaker 3: you take ninety percent of it in taxes and ten

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Speaker 3: percent of it in debt, or if you pick an idea,

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Speaker 3: let's take all one hundred percent. Yeah, don't have any deficits.

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Speaker 3: What problem does that solve? The money is still missing.

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Speaker 3: So watch total government spending, total regulatory burden. The deficit

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Speaker 3: just tells you that's the government that is clearly incapable

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Speaker 3: of reigning and spending because they can't even keep it

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Speaker 3: down to their too high tax burden. But again, the

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Speaker 3: cost of government is total spending and total regulations. It

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Speaker 3: would solve nothing to raise taxes. It would just slow

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Speaker 3: the economy down and make it worse. That doesn't fix it.

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Speaker 3: I worry sometimes when you when we focus on the

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Speaker 3: depth of thats the Democrats go, oh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we got a solution for you. What yeah, yeah, No,

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Speaker 1: that's that's that's an excellent point. And that is exactly, sir,

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Speaker 1: why I so value your perspective, Grover Norquist of Americans

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Speaker 1: for Tax Reform. Uh, it was an honor, sir. I

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Speaker 1: hope you will be back on the Dan o'donald Show soon.

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Speaker 5: We'll do it tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: You're on, sir, You're on Grover Norquist on the show

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Speaker 1: Dan o'donald, coming right back after this conservative thought, not

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Speaker 1: just talk. It is the Dan o'donald Show. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to it. Our thanks once again to Grover Norquist for

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Speaker 1: joining us in the opening segment of this the five

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Speaker 1: o'clock hour. If you learn nothing else from today's show,

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Speaker 1: I hope it is this. Do not ever, under any

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Speaker 1: circumstances play cards with Portland Trailblazers coach Chauncey Billups. It

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Speaker 1: is by far the biggest story in the country, sports

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Speaker 1: or otherwise. We touched on it, of course in the

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Speaker 1: three o'clock hour. The former NBA player who is a

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Speaker 1: member of the two thousand and four Detroit Piston's championship team.

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Speaker 1: He is a member of the Hall of Fame as

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Speaker 1: a result of that. As well as Damon Jones, who

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Speaker 1: is another NBA veteran player, is criminally charged. He's federally

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Speaker 1: charged in a scheme involving the mafia to rig card games.

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Speaker 1: Billips and Jones were, according to Fox News, allegedly dubbed

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Speaker 1: the face cards, which, according to the indictment, were members

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Speaker 1: of the cheating teams and received a portion of the

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Speaker 1: criminal proceeds in exchange for the participation in the scheme.

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Speaker 1: Said scheme resulted in the victims losing at least seven

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Speaker 1: point one five million dollars dating back to April of

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. DOJ said Billups and Jones in particular, were

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Speaker 1: utilized to attract victims to the games because of their

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Speaker 1: status as former professional athletes. In April twenty nineteen, according

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Speaker 1: to DOJ, Billups was one of five defendants who organized

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Speaker 1: and participated in rigged poker games in Las Vegas using

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Speaker 1: a rigged shuffling machine, with the victims losing at least

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Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars. One of the defendants texted another co

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Speaker 1: conspirator that Billups should purposely lose a hand to avoid

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Speaker 1: cheating suspicions. During that game, a defendant said one of

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Speaker 1: the victims had quote acted like he wanted Chauncey to

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Speaker 1: have his money because he was star struck by Billups.

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Speaker 1: In October twenty twenty, Billups was allegedly wired fifty thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars following a rigged poker game. Before one game, Jones,

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Speaker 1: the other defendant, who was in the NBA, allegedly asked

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Speaker 1: for a ten thousand dollars advance and said he needed

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Speaker 1: action bad. He was given twenty five one hundred dollars.

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Speaker 1: Billups was then asked by somebody involved in this about rigging,

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Speaker 1: and he said, Hey, if y'all want to rig games,

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Speaker 1: talk to d Jones, meaning Damon Jones now. In a

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Speaker 1: separate but related case, Miami Heat guard Terry Rozier is

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Speaker 1: accused of spot fixing by faking a head injury in

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Speaker 1: a game March twenty third, twenty twenty three. Was then

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Speaker 1: with the Charlotte Hornets. They were playing the New Orleans Pelicans.

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Speaker 1: He faked the head injury to exit the game in

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Speaker 1: the first quarter, tipped off one of his childhood friends,

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Speaker 1: who then sold the info to gamblers, which resulted in

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Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty thousand dollars in bets on under

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Speaker 1: props for Rogier's stats over under. Not just on the

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Speaker 1: results of a game, meaning total points scored, you can

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Speaker 1: also bet on if Terry Rogier will have over or

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Speaker 1: under five rebounds. For example, obviously, if he exits the

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Speaker 1: game in the first period, he will have the under

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Speaker 1: Rogiers cap claimed. He was cleared by the NBA and

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Speaker 1: FBI in twenty twenty three after cooperating. Now this is

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Speaker 1: the exact same allegation that led to the lifetime ban

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Speaker 1: of another player, John tay Porter, who was accused and

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Speaker 1: convicted of doing the exact same thing. Now this follows

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Speaker 1: the Tim Donaghy referee game fixing scandal. The NBA is

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01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:42,880
Speaker 1: just never going to beat allegations that it's rigged. It

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Speaker 1: just isn't. And what an awful time for the league.

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01:36:47,160 --> 01:36:49,280
Speaker 1: Bucks had their season opener. They got a big win

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Speaker 1: over the Washington Wizards at five Serve Forum. Pretty much

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01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:57,160
Speaker 1: every team that didn't play in the kickoff doubleheader, which

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Speaker 1: was like Houston and the defending champs Oklahoma, and then

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Speaker 1: the Lakers and Golden State worries every other team played

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Speaker 1: last night, and these charges come out this morning, with

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Speaker 1: FBI Director Cash Pattel making that announcement in a press conference.

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Speaker 1: This is about as bad as it gets because even

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Speaker 1: though Chauncey Billups and Damon Jones were not involved in

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01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:26,480
Speaker 1: anything having to do with basketball, the connection is immediate.

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Speaker 1: I would argue that this is way way worse. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's fraud regardless, and this is why I have been,

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Speaker 1: as I said in the three o'clock hour, so reticent

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Speaker 1: to jump on board the sports gambling bandwagon. Yes, I

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Speaker 1: know what the Supreme Court said about its legality. I'm

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Speaker 1: just not necessarily sure that it's good for this country

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01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:54,280
Speaker 1: to have gambling be such an indelible part of American life,

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Speaker 1: especially in sports culture. ESPN has just been taking flak

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01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:02,760
Speaker 1: all day long, as every time it goes to commercials

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Speaker 1: when it's covering this scandal, it's an ad for Draft Kings,

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01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:09,000
Speaker 1: it's an ad for Fan Duel, it's an ad for

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Speaker 1: ESPN BET. I mean, gambling is and always has been

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Speaker 1: part of sports. But man, oh man, now we see

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01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:18,560
Speaker 1: the downside coming up in just the second with the

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01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:22,360
Speaker 1: world Series on deck tomorrow, it is time to revisit

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01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:26,360
Speaker 1: the possibility that baseball could be even in bigger trouble

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Speaker 1: than the NBA. Right now, we'll explain how next Welcome

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01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:56,320
Speaker 1: back Dan O'Donnell's show. The World Series starts tomorrow night

1449
01:38:56,479 --> 01:38:59,000
Speaker 1: in Toronto, the Blue Jays getting back there for the

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Speaker 1: first time in thirty two years. Following a remarkable Game

1451
01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:08,799
Speaker 1: seven comeback, a late inning home run by George Springer

1452
01:39:09,280 --> 01:39:11,920
Speaker 1: turns a three to two, three to one deficit into

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Speaker 1: a four to three Brewers victory, sending the Seattle Mariners home.

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01:39:16,240 --> 01:39:22,160
Speaker 1: The Dodgers are well rested after side sweeping the Brewers

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01:39:22,479 --> 01:39:26,800
Speaker 1: in one of the most disappointing bitter ends to a

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01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:31,320
Speaker 1: truly magical season that we here in Milwaukee and Wisconsin

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01:39:31,439 --> 01:39:36,240
Speaker 1: could have possibly dreamed of. And as the World Series

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01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:40,879
Speaker 1: gets started, I will remind you that it is almost

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Speaker 1: certainly just like the Brewers and Dodgers, NLCS going to

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Speaker 1: be seen as something of a proxy fight for the

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Speaker 1: impending Major League Baseball lockout before the twenty twenty seven season,

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Speaker 1: So after the twenty twenty sixth season. December one, twenty

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Speaker 1: ti twenty six, specifically, is when the current collective bargaining

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01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:09,200
Speaker 1: agreement expires, and the owners are almost certainly going to

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Speaker 1: lock out the players regardless of what happens in the

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Speaker 1: World Series. But as I told you before the NLCS,

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Speaker 1: if the Dodgers win back to back World Series with

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Speaker 1: by far the biggest payroll and biggest revenue in Major

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Speaker 1: League Baseball, this is going to further in bold in

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Speaker 1: the owners to entrench their position. Now, the Major League

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Speaker 1: Baseball Players Association or MLBPA has for half a century

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Speaker 1: refused to get behind any sort of salary cap, and

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Speaker 1: it's widely believed that this is all going to come

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Speaker 1: to a head before the twenty twenty seven season, and

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Speaker 1: the two sides are so far apart, in fact, that

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Speaker 1: there might not be a twenty twenty seven season. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I have talked to a number of sources in and

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Speaker 1: around Major League Baseball ever since that NLCS. So last

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Speaker 1: Friday night, after the Brewers got dominated by one player

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Speaker 1: in what will forever be known as the Shohei O

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Speaker 1: Tawni Game, Game four in Los Angeles. So Tawny pitches

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Speaker 1: six and a third strikes out ten. I believe two

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01:41:19,120 --> 01:41:23,799
Speaker 1: hit baseball, and he hit three home runs. Himself, including

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Speaker 1: a four hundred and sixty nine foot absolute moonshot to

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Speaker 1: center field. It was one of the greatest single game

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Speaker 1: performances in the history of Major League Baseball. I put

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Speaker 1: out a tweet and a Facebook post saying congratulations to

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers on clinching a lockout in twenty twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: You would be shocked at the amount of vitriol I

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Speaker 1: got from that, of course. Everybody. Oh, poor Brewers Fanoh

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Speaker 1: he's whining about salary. Nobody was whining when the Brewers

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Speaker 1: won ninety seven games in the majors. No, this isn't

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Speaker 1: me whining. I've accepted the reality of the economics of

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Speaker 1: baseball for it. My goodness, guys, gals, I'm a soccer fan.

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Speaker 1: I follow European soccer. Do you know how many teams

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Speaker 1: have a chance to win most of the European leagues

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Speaker 1: one or two. The English Premier League is rather unique

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Speaker 1: because there are five or six teams out of the

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Speaker 1: twenty that are in it that actually have a realistic

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Speaker 1: chance of winning because the salary discrepancy is just so great.

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Speaker 1: You go over to Spain, there are two teams that

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01:42:35,880 --> 01:42:38,439
Speaker 1: have any chance of winning in any given year, Real,

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01:42:38,560 --> 01:42:43,360
Speaker 1: Madrid or Barcelona, that's it. You go to Italy, it's

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01:42:43,560 --> 01:42:46,680
Speaker 1: maybe three teams, inter Milan, ac Milan and Juventus and

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01:42:46,760 --> 01:42:49,400
Speaker 1: that's it. You go to France, it's even worse. It's

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01:42:49,560 --> 01:42:54,599
Speaker 1: Paris Saint Germain's sometimes Nice or Leone are okay. Those

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01:42:54,680 --> 01:42:58,360
Speaker 1: are the only clubs that have a chance in their

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01:42:58,439 --> 01:43:03,120
Speaker 1: domestic leagues. And baseball, even though it has not crowned

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01:43:03,240 --> 01:43:06,880
Speaker 1: a back to back World Series champion in twenty five years,

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01:43:07,800 --> 01:43:10,160
Speaker 1: is sort of getting to that point where you've only

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01:43:10,280 --> 01:43:13,680
Speaker 1: got seven or eight teams with a realistic shot of

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Speaker 1: winning the World Series. Ever since I put out that

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01:43:17,360 --> 01:43:21,120
Speaker 1: social media missive, I have been contacted by a number

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01:43:21,200 --> 01:43:24,959
Speaker 1: of people in and around the game. Just it's remarkable

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01:43:24,960 --> 01:43:26,920
Speaker 1: when you get a tweet that kind of gains traction,

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01:43:27,240 --> 01:43:29,320
Speaker 1: like minded or a Facebook post. You just hear from

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01:43:29,439 --> 01:43:33,479
Speaker 1: all sorts of people, and a number of them who

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01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:38,640
Speaker 1: actually know about baseball said, yeah, you're spot on, this

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01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:40,920
Speaker 1: is exactly what's going to happen. And I can't take

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01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:46,280
Speaker 1: credit for this as my original thought because Jeff Passen

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01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:52,040
Speaker 1: at ESPN dot com actually wrote about this right before

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01:43:52,120 --> 01:43:57,400
Speaker 1: the start of the Brewers Dodgers series and just nailed it.

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01:43:57,479 --> 01:44:00,120
Speaker 1: Here's what he wrote this right before Game one one

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01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:03,120
Speaker 1: of that series. The winner of the National League Championship

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01:44:03,240 --> 01:44:06,000
Speaker 1: Series could determine whether Major League Baseball is played in

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01:44:06,040 --> 01:44:09,560
Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven. This might sound far fetched, it is not.

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Speaker 1: What looks like a best of seven baseball series, which

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01:44:12,880 --> 01:44:15,639
Speaker 1: starts Monday as the Milwaukee Brewers host the Los Angeles

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01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:18,639
Speaker 1: Dodgers in Game one, will play out as a proxy

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01:44:18,720 --> 01:44:22,000
Speaker 1: of the coming labor war between MLB and the MLB

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01:44:22,120 --> 01:44:26,000
Speaker 1: Players Association. Owners across the game won a salary cap,

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01:44:26,080 --> 01:44:29,479
Speaker 1: and if the Dodgers, with their record five hundred million

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01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:33,040
Speaker 1: dollar plus payroll when back to back World Series, it

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01:44:33,120 --> 01:44:37,360
Speaker 1: will only embolden the league's push to regulate salaries. The Brewers,

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01:44:37,479 --> 01:44:41,599
Speaker 1: consistently a bottom third payroll team, emerging triumphant would serve

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01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:44,920
Speaker 1: as the latest evidence that winners can germinate even in

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01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:48,320
Speaker 1: the game's smallest markets, and that the failures of other

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01:44:48,439 --> 01:44:51,960
Speaker 1: low revenue teams have less to do with spending than execution.

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01:44:52,640 --> 01:44:55,640
Speaker 1: The truth, of course, exists somewhere in between, but in

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01:44:55,840 --> 01:44:58,720
Speaker 1: between is not where the two parties stake out their

1541
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:02,519
Speaker 1: negotiating position in what many expect to be a brutal

1542
01:45:02,600 --> 01:45:05,760
Speaker 1: fight to determine the future of the game's economics, and

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01:45:05,920 --> 01:45:09,080
Speaker 1: that is why whoever comes out victorious will likely be

1544
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:13,479
Speaker 1: used as a cudgel when formal negotiations begin next spring

1545
01:45:13,640 --> 01:45:16,360
Speaker 1: for the next version of the collective bargaining Agreement that

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01:45:16,520 --> 01:45:20,639
Speaker 1: expires December one, twenty twenty six. If it's the Dodgers,

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01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:24,720
Speaker 1: MLB owners, who already were vocal publicly and even more

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01:45:24,800 --> 01:45:28,080
Speaker 1: so privately about Los Angeles spending as much as the

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01:45:28,160 --> 01:45:32,120
Speaker 1: bottom six teams in payroll combined this year, likely will

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01:45:32,200 --> 01:45:36,240
Speaker 1: cry foul even louder. Already, MLB is expected to lock

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01:45:36,280 --> 01:45:40,480
Speaker 1: out players upon the agreements expiration. Back to back championships

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01:45:40,520 --> 01:45:44,040
Speaker 1: by the Dodgers could embolden MLB and add a chorus

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01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:47,000
Speaker 1: of fans who see a CAP as a panacea for

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01:45:47,080 --> 01:45:51,320
Speaker 1: the plague of big money teams monopolizing championships over the

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01:45:51,400 --> 01:45:57,360
Speaker 1: past decade. That is JEFFPASSINESPN dot com about two weeks ago,

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01:45:57,439 --> 01:45:59,640
Speaker 1: right before the start of this series. Of course, as

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01:45:59,680 --> 01:46:03,880
Speaker 1: we all no, it was a route. The Brewers never

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01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:08,559
Speaker 1: really had a chance in that series Game one when

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01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:12,960
Speaker 1: they got to was it Sasaki, the Dodgers reliever after

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01:46:13,200 --> 01:46:15,400
Speaker 1: Blake Snell who's going to be the game one starter

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01:46:15,520 --> 01:46:19,800
Speaker 1: tomorrow night, just absolutely dominated them. Pitched eight innings of

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01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:23,280
Speaker 1: one hit baseball face the minimum number of batters through

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01:46:23,400 --> 01:46:27,160
Speaker 1: eight innings. That was the Brewer's only chance to steal

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01:46:27,200 --> 01:46:29,479
Speaker 1: a game. That was the only time they really threatened

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01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:31,560
Speaker 1: in the series. In fact, I believe they scored a

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01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:35,280
Speaker 1: grand total of four runs in that series. So if

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01:46:35,360 --> 01:46:39,320
Speaker 1: you want to know why the Dodgers have all but

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01:46:39,479 --> 01:46:42,760
Speaker 1: clinched now, granted, they could lose this World Series, and

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01:46:43,400 --> 01:46:46,360
Speaker 1: in fact it's entirely possible. Toronto's playing good baseball. But

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Speaker 1: Toronto also has the fifth highest payroll in the game.

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01:46:50,560 --> 01:46:53,160
Speaker 1: So it's not as though it would be like the

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01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:57,680
Speaker 1: self described average joes of the Milwaukee Brewers toppling the

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01:46:57,760 --> 01:47:01,719
Speaker 1: big spending giant in Los Angeles. It would be another

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01:47:02,280 --> 01:47:06,240
Speaker 1: high spending team. The two highest spending teams in the

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01:47:06,280 --> 01:47:10,519
Speaker 1: playoffs both advanced to the World seria that were remaining

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01:47:10,600 --> 01:47:14,400
Speaker 1: in the Championship Series. I should say, advancing to the

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01:47:14,439 --> 01:47:18,680
Speaker 1: World Series, that's no real surprise. Now. As for a

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01:47:18,880 --> 01:47:21,960
Speaker 1: salary cap, I also saw on social media everybody, Oh,

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01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:25,040
Speaker 1: you're a conservative and you support a salary, that's socialism.

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01:47:25,200 --> 01:47:32,040
Speaker 1: That's you know, that's not allowing for free market economics,

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01:47:32,439 --> 01:47:38,240
Speaker 1: And to that I respond, yes, but major League Baseball

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01:47:38,520 --> 01:47:42,640
Speaker 1: is a closed system. If you don't understand the difference

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01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:46,880
Speaker 1: between Major League Baseball, which operates as its own separate entity,

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01:47:47,680 --> 01:47:51,360
Speaker 1: and a global or national economy, I don't know what

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01:47:51,680 --> 01:47:55,200
Speaker 1: to tell you. The idea is, yes, to make as

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01:47:55,320 --> 01:47:59,120
Speaker 1: much money as humanly possible as both a player and

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01:47:59,800 --> 01:48:05,479
Speaker 1: an organization or a league. But the goal is also

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01:48:05,720 --> 01:48:10,679
Speaker 1: to present a product that is as entertaining and as

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01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:16,120
Speaker 1: watchable as possible. By the way, the addition of the

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01:48:16,280 --> 01:48:18,560
Speaker 1: pitchclock a couple of years ago just might be the

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01:48:18,640 --> 01:48:21,680
Speaker 1: single best innovation in the history of pro sports. I'm

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01:48:21,720 --> 01:48:25,360
Speaker 1: not even kidding about that. Baseball is eminently more watchable

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01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:28,000
Speaker 1: than it was when playoff games would run four and

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01:48:28,040 --> 01:48:31,560
Speaker 1: a half hours. Trust me, I was there. I was

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01:48:31,600 --> 01:48:34,000
Speaker 1: the Brewers' postgame host and sometimes wouldn't get on the

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01:48:34,040 --> 01:48:38,800
Speaker 1: air until eleven thirty PM after a home playoff game

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01:48:39,560 --> 01:48:43,120
Speaker 1: because the things were just going so dog gone long.

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01:48:44,760 --> 01:48:48,599
Speaker 1: The idea is to get as many fans in as

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01:48:48,720 --> 01:48:52,920
Speaker 1: many markets, in as many cities interested in the game,

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01:48:53,160 --> 01:48:56,800
Speaker 1: and you do that by giving them as much of

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01:48:56,840 --> 01:48:59,840
Speaker 1: a chance to compete as possible. That doesn't mean every

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01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:02,639
Speaker 1: but he gets a trophy day here at the major

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01:49:02,720 --> 01:49:07,840
Speaker 1: league level, that means not even necessarily leveling the playing field,

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01:49:08,000 --> 01:49:14,439
Speaker 1: but what it means is ensuring that the like soccer,

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01:49:15,200 --> 01:49:21,800
Speaker 1: the money involved doesn't predetermine the outcomes. If you know

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01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:26,160
Speaker 1: nothing about soccer, if you don't watch this sport at all,

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01:49:26,280 --> 01:49:29,680
Speaker 1: you can pretty much guarantee. And I haven't looked at

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01:49:29,720 --> 01:49:33,000
Speaker 1: the Premier League standings in a long time because my

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01:49:33,200 --> 01:49:36,040
Speaker 1: Manchester United Devils, who are one of the biggest spending

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01:49:36,120 --> 01:49:39,439
Speaker 1: teams in the history of soccer, just are not very good.

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01:49:40,160 --> 01:49:44,000
Speaker 1: They're sort of the exception to the rule here. I

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01:49:44,040 --> 01:49:46,519
Speaker 1: believe they're in like ninth or tenth place. But you

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01:49:46,800 --> 01:49:53,440
Speaker 1: know it's going to be Chelsea Arsenal, Manchester City, Tottenham, Hotspur, Liverpool.

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01:49:54,320 --> 01:49:57,840
Speaker 1: There might be another team that sort of sneaks in there,

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01:49:58,800 --> 01:50:00,519
Speaker 1: but it's going to be one of it's known as

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01:50:00,600 --> 01:50:04,519
Speaker 1: the Big Six. If it's only going to be the Dodgers,

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01:50:04,720 --> 01:50:09,439
Speaker 1: the Mets, the Yankees. Who's another big spending team the

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01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:14,040
Speaker 1: boy I had Dodgers, Mets, Yankees, I know Toronto Blue

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01:50:14,120 --> 01:50:17,120
Speaker 1: Jays or a number five are if there are only

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01:50:17,240 --> 01:50:20,720
Speaker 1: five or six teams that realistically have a chance once

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01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:24,840
Speaker 1: the playoffs come around. And because Baseball's playoffs were expanded, yes,

1622
01:50:24,920 --> 01:50:26,519
Speaker 1: you're going to get more teams who are able to

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01:50:26,560 --> 01:50:29,280
Speaker 1: get in with you know, eighty six eighty seven wins.

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01:50:29,840 --> 01:50:34,040
Speaker 1: But if they're just first round fodder for the teams

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01:50:34,160 --> 01:50:37,200
Speaker 1: that have the arms that will take you far in

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01:50:37,320 --> 01:50:41,439
Speaker 1: the playoffs, as the Dodgers clearly do, then that's a problem.

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01:50:41,560 --> 01:50:44,799
Speaker 1: And I'm not actually saying one way or another. Frankly,

1628
01:50:44,920 --> 01:50:48,320
Speaker 1: I think baseball has been eminently entertaining. And do I

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01:50:48,560 --> 01:50:53,160
Speaker 1: think that the Brewers season was a failure because they

1630
01:50:53,200 --> 01:50:55,920
Speaker 1: couldn't get past what looks to be a dynasty in

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01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:59,480
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, No, of course not. I had an incredible

1632
01:50:59,560 --> 01:51:03,320
Speaker 1: time summer. Do I believe the Brewers maybe should have

1633
01:51:03,479 --> 01:51:07,080
Speaker 1: added another bat like Auhanio Suarez who ended up going

1634
01:51:07,120 --> 01:51:09,920
Speaker 1: to the Seattle Mariners. Could he have provided some pop

1635
01:51:10,040 --> 01:51:12,880
Speaker 1: that the Brewers desperately needed even when they were winning

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01:51:12,920 --> 01:51:13,479
Speaker 1: all those games?

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01:51:13,560 --> 01:51:13,760
Speaker 5: Yeah?

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01:51:14,400 --> 01:51:14,600
Speaker 3: I do.

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01:51:16,360 --> 01:51:20,320
Speaker 1: Do I accept that the Brewers are always going to

1640
01:51:20,439 --> 01:51:25,080
Speaker 1: have revenue issues because of the market that they're in,

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01:51:25,160 --> 01:51:28,200
Speaker 1: because they can't command the same TV rights that the

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01:51:28,280 --> 01:51:30,920
Speaker 1: Yankees and Mets and Dodgers can. Yes, of course, I've

1643
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:34,479
Speaker 1: understood that and accepted that forever do. I believe that

1644
01:51:34,600 --> 01:51:36,800
Speaker 1: the Brewers are doing things the right way for a

1645
01:51:36,920 --> 01:51:40,040
Speaker 1: market their size, not going all in every single year,

1646
01:51:40,080 --> 01:51:43,200
Speaker 1: but drafting, developing. They've got the best farm system in

1647
01:51:43,280 --> 01:51:48,160
Speaker 1: baseball that continually churns out top tier major league talent

1648
01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:50,720
Speaker 1: that has kept them relevant. I believe they've made the

1649
01:51:50,760 --> 01:51:53,040
Speaker 1: playoffs seven of the last eight years. Yes, I do do.

1650
01:51:53,240 --> 01:51:57,600
Speaker 1: I also understand that not everybody sees it like that.

1651
01:51:57,760 --> 01:52:00,960
Speaker 1: Brewers ownership a bunch of smaller and not only please

1652
01:52:01,040 --> 01:52:03,719
Speaker 1: don't misunderstand, I also think there should be a Miami

1653
01:52:03,840 --> 01:52:06,880
Speaker 1: Marlins rule where there needs to be a salary floor

1654
01:52:07,160 --> 01:52:09,679
Speaker 1: as well, where you can't just take in money handover

1655
01:52:09,880 --> 01:52:13,240
Speaker 1: fist and devote none of it to player salaries. The

1656
01:52:13,320 --> 01:52:15,280
Speaker 1: Dodgers actually do a very very good job of that.

1657
01:52:15,439 --> 01:52:17,320
Speaker 1: They take in a ton of revenue and they spend

1658
01:52:17,400 --> 01:52:20,519
Speaker 1: a ton of that revenue on player salaries to put

1659
01:52:20,560 --> 01:52:23,559
Speaker 1: the best possible product on the field for their fans.

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01:52:25,120 --> 01:52:29,040
Speaker 1: That said, the best possible product for all of Major

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01:52:29,120 --> 01:52:34,000
Speaker 1: League Baseball is probably when you have the ability for

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01:52:34,240 --> 01:52:37,320
Speaker 1: all thirty is it thirty or thirty two teams to

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01:52:37,560 --> 01:52:41,880
Speaker 1: meaningfully compete. You're listening to the Dan o'donald Show. It's

1664
01:52:41,960 --> 01:52:50,040
Speaker 1: conservative and occasionally baseball thought, not just tom More of

1665
01:52:50,160 --> 01:53:07,200
Speaker 1: that Dan o'donald Show is sax and yes for the

1666
01:53:07,400 --> 01:53:11,439
Speaker 1: stick to the issues crowd saying I'm talking too much

1667
01:53:11,479 --> 01:53:15,400
Speaker 1: about baseball. That last segment was not as much about

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01:53:15,439 --> 01:53:19,200
Speaker 1: baseball as it is about economics, and it is about

1669
01:53:19,920 --> 01:53:23,360
Speaker 1: just the reality of professional sports and the reality of

1670
01:53:23,800 --> 01:53:26,960
Speaker 1: industry more generally. Welcome back to the Dan O'Donnell Show.

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01:53:27,040 --> 01:53:29,760
Speaker 1: Just a couple of minutes left before we have to

1672
01:53:29,880 --> 01:53:33,360
Speaker 1: say goodbye. Friday edition coming up tomorrow. Of course, how bizarre.

1673
01:53:33,560 --> 01:53:37,640
Speaker 1: All sorts of fun stuff as well, But yeah, this

1674
01:53:38,439 --> 01:53:40,800
Speaker 1: is a very serious thing and it's been a while.

1675
01:53:40,880 --> 01:53:43,760
Speaker 1: It's been a long time since we had to deal

1676
01:53:43,880 --> 01:53:49,200
Speaker 1: with significant labor strife in professional sports. The NHL lost

1677
01:53:49,280 --> 01:53:53,479
Speaker 1: a season fifteen years ago or so and really hasn't

1678
01:53:53,560 --> 01:53:57,479
Speaker 1: recovered as a major professional sports league in North America.

1679
01:53:57,520 --> 01:54:01,880
Speaker 1: There just isn't the interest that there in the nineteen

1680
01:54:01,960 --> 01:54:07,559
Speaker 1: nineties and early two thousands, and major League Baseball really does.

1681
01:54:07,800 --> 01:54:11,400
Speaker 1: Folks have the potential of being locked out for the

1682
01:54:11,680 --> 01:54:15,720
Speaker 1: entire twenty twenty seventh season. I'm not sure people are

1683
01:54:15,840 --> 01:54:20,480
Speaker 1: quite waking up to that reality, and the Milwaukee Brewers

1684
01:54:21,120 --> 01:54:23,839
Speaker 1: just might be. They were mentioned in that Jeff Passon

1685
01:54:24,160 --> 01:54:26,240
Speaker 1: ESPN story that I read in the last segment. They

1686
01:54:26,240 --> 01:54:30,240
Speaker 1: were mentioned as one of the loudest complainers. Now there

1687
01:54:30,280 --> 01:54:33,880
Speaker 1: will be those who say, who remember back in what

1688
01:54:34,080 --> 01:54:37,240
Speaker 1: was it, February maybe early March, right at the start

1689
01:54:37,320 --> 01:54:41,680
Speaker 1: of spring training, when the Brewers owner Mark at Inacio said, well,

1690
01:54:41,720 --> 01:54:47,160
Speaker 1: what is our job here as a professional ballpark, professional

1691
01:54:47,240 --> 01:54:51,200
Speaker 1: ball club? It is our job to put together a

1692
01:54:51,240 --> 01:54:56,040
Speaker 1: winning club, or is it to provide a nice, entertaining

1693
01:54:56,120 --> 01:54:59,640
Speaker 1: afternoon at the ballpark for a family? And he was

1694
01:54:59,800 --> 01:55:03,960
Speaker 1: one pilloried for that because the thinking is, well, of course,

1695
01:55:05,120 --> 01:55:07,480
Speaker 1: your job is to win baseball games. It's way more

1696
01:55:07,600 --> 01:55:10,280
Speaker 1: enjoyable for a family at the ballpark on an afternoon

1697
01:55:11,120 --> 01:55:13,760
Speaker 1: if the team is winning, then if they're losing, sure,

1698
01:55:13,840 --> 01:55:16,600
Speaker 1: it's it's always fun going to American Family Field. The

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01:55:16,640 --> 01:55:20,720
Speaker 1: Brewers have done a remarkable job in having one of

1700
01:55:20,840 --> 01:55:27,120
Speaker 1: these single best fan experiences in baseball. The tailgating, the racing, sausages,

1701
01:55:27,280 --> 01:55:30,000
Speaker 1: the ballpark is just one of the best in the bigs,

1702
01:55:30,960 --> 01:55:34,960
Speaker 1: but more people come when there's a winning ball club.

1703
01:55:35,040 --> 01:55:38,280
Speaker 1: More people come when there's buzz and excitement about the team.

1704
01:55:39,280 --> 01:55:43,360
Speaker 1: But I actually understood what Atanasio is saying, Look, is

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01:55:43,440 --> 01:55:47,520
Speaker 1: it our job to win when ultimately we're probably not

1706
01:55:47,720 --> 01:55:50,080
Speaker 1: going to be able to win the World Series because

1707
01:55:50,120 --> 01:55:54,680
Speaker 1: the game is fundamentally tilted towards the teams who generate

1708
01:55:54,760 --> 01:55:57,400
Speaker 1: far more revenue than we can because of far bigger

1709
01:55:57,480 --> 01:56:01,680
Speaker 1: TV rights deals and because they are able to spend

1710
01:56:01,760 --> 01:56:05,760
Speaker 1: there for that much more money on player salaries than

1711
01:56:05,880 --> 01:56:09,040
Speaker 1: we are. I understand that. I understand that argument. I

1712
01:56:09,120 --> 01:56:14,400
Speaker 1: am also not totally sympathetic to it when the Brewers

1713
01:56:14,440 --> 01:56:19,240
Speaker 1: are right there on the precipice every single year. They've

1714
01:56:19,320 --> 01:56:22,840
Speaker 1: gotten to the NLCS twice in the last seven years,

1715
01:56:22,920 --> 01:56:26,040
Speaker 1: they've been in the playoffs seven of the last eight years,

1716
01:56:26,760 --> 01:56:29,200
Speaker 1: and it always seems that they're just a player or

1717
01:56:29,240 --> 01:56:32,720
Speaker 1: two away. When they've consistently got one of the best

1718
01:56:32,760 --> 01:56:35,320
Speaker 1: and now the best farm systems in baseball. It almost

1719
01:56:35,440 --> 01:56:39,160
Speaker 1: seems as though there isn't enough of an effort to

1720
01:56:39,520 --> 01:56:45,800
Speaker 1: a keep top tier talent around and be trade prospects

1721
01:56:45,960 --> 01:56:48,600
Speaker 1: when you can get players who are still under team

1722
01:56:48,680 --> 01:56:51,480
Speaker 1: control for a couple of years and use them to

1723
01:56:51,640 --> 01:56:53,560
Speaker 1: potentially go all the way and win a World Series.

1724
01:56:53,640 --> 01:56:56,280
Speaker 1: They did that a couple of times, most notably with

1725
01:56:56,480 --> 01:57:01,160
Speaker 1: Zach Greenk about fifteen years ago. And I understand the

1726
01:57:01,240 --> 01:57:03,880
Speaker 1: counter to that argument is that a team won the

1727
01:57:03,920 --> 01:57:06,840
Speaker 1: World Series as a direct result of the Zach Grenki trade,

1728
01:57:06,960 --> 01:57:09,360
Speaker 1: and it was the Kansas City Royals because they got

1729
01:57:09,440 --> 01:57:12,880
Speaker 1: top prospects like Lorenzo Cain and Alcide s Escobar. And

1730
01:57:13,080 --> 01:57:15,920
Speaker 1: there was a third one who was thrown in whose

1731
01:57:16,040 --> 01:57:17,840
Speaker 1: name I am escaping, but we are we are almost

1732
01:57:17,880 --> 01:57:21,080
Speaker 1: out of time, so it's a mood point, I understand.

1733
01:57:21,120 --> 01:57:24,920
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you that this is this is a

1734
01:57:25,240 --> 01:57:27,720
Speaker 1: very real issue for Major League Baseball. All Right, we

1735
01:57:27,880 --> 01:57:30,280
Speaker 1: are officially now out of time here on the Dan

1736
01:57:30,360 --> 01:57:34,600
Speaker 1: o'donald Show. Talk to you tomorrow, three oh six, seventh

1737
01:57:34,600 --> 01:57:35,120
Speaker 1: grade evening