Speaker 1: All right, Billy Cunningham, the Great America, and welcome this
Speaker 1: Thursday afternoon in the tri States. We've had three nights
Speaker 1: of the reds athletically across the nation. Monday night, of course,
Speaker 1: Monday Night football in Denver didn't turn out real well,
Speaker 1: and Tuesday and Wednesday in Los Angeles did not turn
Speaker 1: out real well. But we always have hope because the
Speaker 1: Bengals are playing Sunday against the Lions right here, then
Speaker 1: the Packers and the Steelers. If you're an optimist, three
Speaker 1: games from now, that Bengals will be in first place
Speaker 1: in the AFC North. If not, we'll have to pick
Speaker 1: up the pieces and worry about Xavier basketball. But until then,
Speaker 1: one of the themes happening in every urban area, but
Speaker 1: even here in Cincinnati, is that the criminal justice system
Speaker 1: does not provide criminal justice to the victims, many times
Speaker 1: only to the defendants. And so the Hamilton County Jail
Speaker 1: has a few floors that are emptied out completely because
Speaker 1: judges are not putting shall we say, criminal defendants in prison.
Speaker 1: We have a police force that is demoralized because they
Speaker 1: rest individuals and before the paperwork has completed, that person's
Speaker 1: out in the streets mocking the police. We don't enforce
Speaker 1: laws in Hamletin County. So joining you now is you,
Speaker 1: and I now is Judge Josh Berkowitz. He's the administrative
Speaker 1: and presiding judge currently of Hamilton County Municipal Court. Been
Speaker 1: there for about a decade. He knows everything about Hamilton
Speaker 1: County Municipal Court. And Judge Josh Burkle, which former prosecutor
Speaker 1: and former law director in the City of Norwood. Welcome
Speaker 1: to the Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all, judge
Speaker 1: can give us an overview about what is happening, good
Speaker 1: or bad about criminal justice in Hamilton County.
Speaker 2: Well, thanks, Bill, it's great talking to you. Thanks for
Speaker 2: having me on what we're seeing here in Hamilton County.
Speaker 2: And like you said, these are national issues that are
Speaker 2: affecting cities around the country, and we didn't get here overnight.
Speaker 2: This is kind of the product of really twenty years,
Speaker 2: ten to twenty years worth of bad progressive policies and
Speaker 2: idea is that kind of filtered through college sociology programs
Speaker 2: and law review articles, and you know now it's made
Speaker 2: its way to the bench and it's really kind of
Speaker 2: not just in the courthouse, but it's kind of dominated
Speaker 2: public discourse and captured justice systems in cities around the country,
Speaker 2: kind of that ideological capture. And here in Hamilton County,
Speaker 2: that progressive mentality has you know, that's the prosecutor's office now,
Speaker 2: that's the Sheriff's department, that's the Common Pleas Court, that's
Speaker 2: the first District Court of Appeals, that's the Clerk of
Speaker 2: Courts all you know in that city Hall of course,
Speaker 2: that is responsible for setting policy for Cincinnati Police. So
Speaker 2: the entire justice system is dominated right now by this
Speaker 2: progressive mentality, and the outcomes have been very predictable. I mean,
Speaker 2: it takes the form and in the movement away from
Speaker 2: to end cash bail for example, and more broadly to
Speaker 2: just reduce consequences, reduce penalties, whether in the form of
Speaker 2: sentencing or setting bond. There's this mentality.
Speaker 3: That's evidenced, Like you said, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, our jail right now is four hundred inmates below capacity,
Speaker 2: four hundred inmates below where it was pre COVID. Does
Speaker 2: anybody believe that crime is down by a third or
Speaker 2: twenty thirty percent from where it was in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: It's absurd, And so what happening. Let me talk about
Speaker 1: my experience. I was very active in criminal justice, representing
Speaker 1: criminal defendants and also the AG's office on civil matters.
Speaker 1: And it was typical. The place where criminals and cops
Speaker 1: go every morning Monday through Saturday, nine am is Room
Speaker 1: May It used to be the Ons and Deputy Building.
Speaker 4: Now it's room, a kind of.
Speaker 1: Justice center, and it used to be two to three
Speaker 1: hundred were arrested the night before for traffic offenses, DUIs murder, burglary,
Speaker 1: drug sales, passing bat checks, whatever it was. And the
Speaker 1: police department in the city of Cincinnati was very active
Speaker 1: in making sure that if you had committed a crime,
Speaker 1: that you were held and you met a judge like
Speaker 1: you in the morning and based upon the bail bond score,
Speaker 1: based upon the criminal record, employment history, that bonds were set.
Speaker 1: It was regular to have numerous inmates have bond set
Speaker 1: like a five thousand dollars on a felony No. Ten percent,
Speaker 1: and that person would be locked up waiting trial. Now
Speaker 1: the law schools have said to judges, not you, but
Speaker 1: other judges now in their thirties and forties, that that
Speaker 1: system is wrong, that is not fair to lock up
Speaker 1: someone say a Tony Bender, for example, who by the way,
Speaker 1: has a good record in his life. But nonetheless Tony
Speaker 1: Bender shows up and he commits a felony, it's common
Speaker 1: then to be locked up. That doesn't happen anymore. Why
Speaker 1: isn't room A filled with two to three hundred And
Speaker 1: why do the judges other than you of course and
Speaker 1: Hambig missipal corpse not set a bond. They set a
Speaker 1: cash bond. What happened in the college is what happened
Speaker 1: in the law schools.
Speaker 2: It's really bizarre. I mean, you know, what we've experienced
Speaker 2: and what they've argued over the last twenty years is
Speaker 2: that our justice system in the United States throughout the
Speaker 2: country and you heard this repeatedly, a really concerted public
Speaker 2: relations campaign that looked at our justice system in the
Speaker 2: United States, which is the envy of the entire world,
Speaker 2: and just trashed it that it's all it's systemically unfair,
Speaker 2: it's bigoted, it's discriminatory. You know, they would have you
Speaker 2: believe that there's all these people crowded through our jails
Speaker 2: and prisons who did nothing other than you know, shoplift
Speaker 2: a candy bar or or smoke a joint of marijuana.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was never an accurate portrayal of the
Speaker 2: justice system. And you know, when I started ten years ago,
Speaker 2: the rule on setting bonds, which is one of our
Speaker 2: most important responsibilities in municipal court. We set bonds on
Speaker 2: anybody who gets arrested felony's misdemeanors. And the rule traditionally
Speaker 2: was very straightforward, very common sense. The purpose of bond
Speaker 2: is to secure the defendants appearance at court and to
Speaker 2: protect the public. And so naturally, the more serious the charge,
Speaker 2: the greater the flight risk, the greater the threat to
Speaker 2: the public, the higher the bond is going to go.
Speaker 2: And you know, when I started again ten years ago,
Speaker 2: there wasn't this dramatic disagreement. You know, there wasn't this
Speaker 2: divergence amongst political parties where you know, you had this
Speaker 2: this dramatic shift in ideology. And that's what's happened over
Speaker 2: the last six, seven, eight years, where you saw these
Speaker 2: wave elections and and you saw political leaders really push
Speaker 2: that agenda that you know, progressive criminal under the under
Speaker 2: the heading of progressive criminal justice reform really really strong
Speaker 2: armed judges and legislators to change the law to encourage
Speaker 2: and in.
Speaker 4: Fact require.
Speaker 2: Lower bonds o R bonds, which means somebody gets released
Speaker 2: with no money paid, and the outcome has been it's
Speaker 2: been the same across the country. It's dangerous criminals out
Speaker 2: on the street, dangerous convicted felons out on the street
Speaker 2: in the community, breed to re offend and victimize new people.
Speaker 1: Now and in the core of this, Judge Josh Burka,
Speaker 1: which is this that it's unfair that someone who doesn't
Speaker 1: have discernible assets needs to post anything no cash bond.
Speaker 1: According to the left wing the restorative justice crowd is
Speaker 1: unfair to somebody who commits crime and can have money
Speaker 1: to post a bond when someone with money. Not too
Speaker 1: many richer middle class people are committing crime. By the way,
Speaker 1: normally those who commit crime are at the bottom economic scale.
Speaker 1: So the theory is, no cash bond can be racist,
Speaker 1: no cash bond can be a class warfare. So why
Speaker 1: treat someone who burglarizes a home and beat somebody up
Speaker 1: who doesn't have any discernible money. Why treat him differently
Speaker 1: than someone that's got a four oh one k, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So it used to be if
Speaker 1: you committed a fellow in your ham in the county.
Speaker 1: You were locked up pending trial. Now, if you commit
Speaker 1: a fella in your hamle in the county, you're not
Speaker 1: locked up because it's not fair to make somebody with
Speaker 1: no money to post bail.
Speaker 4: Is that the core of it.
Speaker 2: There is certain that's absolutely right. There are certain people
Speaker 2: in our justice system, including unfortunately some judges, who seem
Speaker 2: to fundamentally believe that it's wrong that anybody should sit
Speaker 2: in jail because they can't post a bond. And it's
Speaker 2: entirely contrary to the text of the rule, its contrary
Speaker 2: to the tradition in Ohio and around the country. And
Speaker 2: this really culminated with this decision in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 5: It was called Dubo's.
Speaker 2: It was a very divided, very different Ohio Supreme Court
Speaker 2: that said that judges could not consider public safety when
Speaker 2: setting a bond amount, that the only consideration was the
Speaker 2: defendant's ability to pay, and the only way to determine
Speaker 2: that was to ask them. You had to take the
Speaker 2: defendant's word for it, and you couldn't consider public safety.
Speaker 2: And in response, the voters of Ohio spoke up really loud,
Speaker 2: very clearly. Thanks to your friend Joe Dieters and now
Speaker 2: Justice Megan Shanahan took it to this took it on
Speaker 2: the road around the state of Ohio. Something like eighty
Speaker 2: percent of the voters in Ohio passed State Issue one
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two that requires judges like myself specifically,
Speaker 2: specifically requires us to consider public safety when setting bond,
Speaker 2: specifically overruled that that activist Dubo's decision, and so you
Speaker 2: know that I think, in a lot of people's minds
Speaker 2: should have put that to rest, but it hasn't. It's
Speaker 2: still very much an issue because like I tell you,
Speaker 2: we didn't get here overnight. It's not going to be
Speaker 2: resolved overnight. It's not going to be resolved even with
Speaker 2: one ballot initiative. You know, it requires people paying attention
Speaker 2: to the judges and how they're setting bonds and what
Speaker 2: they're doing. And people have a right to be concerned
Speaker 2: because you know, at the heart of all these ideas,
Speaker 2: these progressive ideas, it was sold on people as this
Speaker 2: is not only more fair, it's not only more equitable,
Speaker 2: it's going to make our community safer. And no, you know,
Speaker 2: like like I said, Bill, does anybody believe that crime
Speaker 2: is down from twenty ninet team to the point that
Speaker 2: our jail has four hundred is four hundred below capacity.
Speaker 2: Nobody buys that. Nobody's believing that. And yet our media
Speaker 2: and a lot of the mainstream media and a lot
Speaker 2: of our public officials are basically gaslighting people. Don't believe
Speaker 2: your lion eyes. Look at these look at these stats
Speaker 2: that that we've presented. See arrests are down, and don't know,
Speaker 2: we don't have a crime problem. I mean, that's really
Speaker 2: the message, and it's outrageous.
Speaker 1: Judge Berkowitz. It begins with a simple arrest. And when
Speaker 1: I have on Ken Kober and the cops, they tell
Speaker 1: me that the mayor's office is Scottie Johnson and the
Speaker 1: Lemon Currenty tell them don't pull somebody over for a
Speaker 1: minor traffic violation. If you pull somebody over, that opens
Speaker 1: up at Pandora's box of give me your license, your registration,
Speaker 1: proof of insurance.
Speaker 4: Well I don't have that.
Speaker 1: And then you find out they have warns out for
Speaker 1: their arrest. Then you had to get the tow truck
Speaker 1: to get them there. Then they're locked up. And so
Speaker 1: it begins with the fact that police believe in Cincinnati
Speaker 1: that you don't pull somebody over for a traffic violation.
Speaker 1: And if someone's open air smoking pot, let them alone.
Speaker 1: Homelessness is pursuing to a corridorder illegal, leave them alone,
Speaker 1: intervene as drug use is permissible, and camping out in
Speaker 1: front of Saint Francis, Sarah is okay, et cetera. Doesn't
Speaker 1: it begin at the front end when cops are told,
Speaker 1: don't do your job. I don't think there's any question
Speaker 1: right now that the leadership at city Hall has actively
Speaker 1: discouraged proactive law enforcement. They do not want officers proactively
Speaker 1: enforcing the law. Whether you're talking about traffic infractions, or
Speaker 1: you're talking about you know, going after gun illegal guns,
Speaker 1: or you're going after drugs, or you're going after violent offenders.
Speaker 1: They do not want officers proactively going out and look
Speaker 1: into to interdict and interrupt those criminal behaviors.
Speaker 2: They want officers reacting and responding to calls for assistance.
Speaker 2: And Cincinnati police officers, in my experience, are outstanding at
Speaker 2: responding to calls for assistance.
Speaker 5: But we know every look.
Speaker 2: Everybody knows if you want to actually get at crime
Speaker 2: and reduce crime and get at the violent offenders, you
Speaker 2: need officers, not just numbers, but you need officers who
Speaker 2: are empowered to proactively go out and enforce the law.
Speaker 2: And like I said, I don't think there's any debate
Speaker 2: on this point. It's a matter of ideology. They don't,
Speaker 2: like you said, they don't believe that officers should be
Speaker 2: going out there proactively enforcing minor traffic infractions, you know,
Speaker 2: minor misdemeanor offenses of any kind. They don't want them
Speaker 2: going out there and enforcing the law.
Speaker 1: Judge Burkowitz's evidence of that about it three weeks ago.
Speaker 1: You're in the Ivory Tower of judging. But I'm in
Speaker 1: the practical business of politics. We had the governor, the
Speaker 1: FBI was here, big news conference in and around City Hall.
Speaker 1: Mike DeWine was there, FBI was there, the ATF was there,
Speaker 1: US Marshal Service was there. Only one council member was there.
Speaker 1: And they supposedly had this memory and of understanding that
Speaker 1: two days a month that the Highway Patrol would assist
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Police and all kinds of criminal protection activities. And
Speaker 1: it came out about two weeks after the incident that
Speaker 1: instead of being here physically, Highway Patrol would be here
Speaker 1: two shifts a month, and as of now they're unseen
Speaker 1: on city streets because the Vice mayor and others and
Speaker 1: the mayor and share along the city manager have not
Speaker 1: requested them to come in pursuing to the understanding they
Speaker 1: don't want law enforcement in Cincinnati other than city politics
Speaker 1: law enforcement. So we had this big, big punch and
Speaker 1: judy show of everyone showing up saying, Okay, we're cracking
Speaker 1: down on crime.
Speaker 4: But there was no follow through because politics, it wasn't wanted.
Speaker 1: And at this point, the next time you're in room
Speaker 1: may setting bonds that there are not going to be
Speaker 1: criminal defendants in front of you to set bonds on
Speaker 1: because they're not getting arrested. And we live in a
Speaker 1: crime ridden society in which shots are fired twenty thousand shots,
Speaker 1: we're going to four hundred people wound it. We have
Speaker 1: massive break ins. Since Uce just had a big symposium
Speaker 1: about female students that are being assaulted, their cars being
Speaker 1: broken into. They don't bother calling the police anymore because
Speaker 1: nothing happens. And so when law enforcement is told to
Speaker 1: stand down, when half or more of the judges believe
Speaker 1: in the restorative justice and no cash bonds and the
Speaker 1: jail is unoccupied by inmates. Some four hundred beds are available.
Speaker 1: When about ten years ago, Sileas came on with me
Speaker 1: when he was the sheriff, maybe twelve years ago, wanting
Speaker 1: to build another jail because the jail was packed fifteen
Speaker 1: years ago with criminals. Now they're roaming around the streets
Speaker 1: committing crime, and so it's all a and voters can
Speaker 1: change this. Talk about well, we voters who live in
Speaker 1: Hamlet Accounty can change this by the vote. But many
Speaker 1: voters don't know what's happening downtown. That's why you're coming
Speaker 1: on today. Educate the public.
Speaker 4: Correct one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: So I mean, I think we have a great system
Speaker 2: in Ohio where the voters get to select who their
Speaker 2: judges are. You know, the voters. That's the accountability. That's
Speaker 2: the accountability that followed State Issue one in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: You know what's an appropriate bond, Well, the voters get
Speaker 2: to say what kind of justice system. Every judge in
Speaker 2: Ohio has to stand for election. You know this fall,
Speaker 2: I'm standing for re election, and you know, I'm proud
Speaker 2: of my record as a judge over ten years and
Speaker 2: prior to that as a prosecutor under Joe Dieters, and
Speaker 2: you know, I've been consistent on these issues.
Speaker 3: It's not the victim's fault.
Speaker 2: It's not the system's fault when somebody gets locked up
Speaker 2: for committing a violent crime. And for too long, that
Speaker 2: attitude has you know, percolated throughout the justice system and
Speaker 2: led to these absurd outcomes. And that's just you know,
Speaker 2: you mentioned that press conference in the highway patrol here
Speaker 2: for two days a month.
Speaker 5: What a joke.
Speaker 2: You know, that is the epitome of what Sarah Haringer
Speaker 2: referred to as optics over outcome, a big, grand press conference.
Speaker 2: Does anybody believe that two days a month of having
Speaker 2: some highway patrol officers in Cincinnati is going to make
Speaker 2: any meaningful impact, no terminal ju justice. Nobody believes that.
Speaker 4: In fact, Judge, the two days didn't happen.
Speaker 1: Anyway, there are no two days and not been here
Speaker 1: yet with Judge Josh Burkoh, it's we got to run.
Speaker 1: You're sounding the alarm. It's up to the electorate to
Speaker 1: do what's responsible. Judge burko Witch, once again, thanks for
Speaker 1: coming on the Bill Cunningham Show and let's keep the
Speaker 1: lines of communication open. Thank you, Thank you very much Judge, thank.
Speaker 2: You, Hey, hey, Bill, thank you for having me. If
Speaker 2: I could real quick, if people want to get involved,
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what it takes. They can go to
Speaker 2: keep Judge Berkowitz dot com. You know these are your
Speaker 2: opportunity to voice what you want out of your justice
Speaker 2: system and you can make a difference. We're going to
Speaker 2: send a message this fall that public that people across
Speaker 2: Hamilton County want safe communities and safe neighborhoods. They're not
Speaker 2: satisfied with this business as it's been at the courthouse
Speaker 2: for the last ten years.
Speaker 4: Judge, thank you very much. We'll do it again. God
Speaker 4: bless you and thank you very much. Thanks Bill, continue
Speaker 4: with more. There's a guy that knows what he's talking about.
Speaker 4: It's up to you as a voter to change.
Speaker 1: Bill Cunningham, News Radio seven hundred Wildom All right, Billy Cunningham,
Speaker 1: the great American. This great Thursday afternoon in the tri
Speaker 1: State of This is global warming. I love it, and
Speaker 1: we have more of it, and the weather's perfect. You
Speaker 1: might have a little ran on Tuesday Wednesday, see what
Speaker 1: happens down the road. Coming up after two o'clock today
Speaker 1: will be Brandon Sajo. He spent time here as one
Speaker 1: of my producers briefly and got into local television sports.
Speaker 1: And Brandon sajo spent quite a bit of time at
Speaker 1: Channel five with Shari Paololo and George Vogel at the time,
Speaker 1: and he became shall we say, depressed, He became an alcoholic,
Speaker 1: he became very suicidal. He related on an LA interview
Speaker 1: about a month ago that he spent time at Channel
Speaker 1: five and then he would walk across the river to
Speaker 1: his apartment in northern Kentucky and many times he'd stop
Speaker 1: in the middle of the suspension bridge and think about jumping,
Speaker 1: and thank god he made a telephone called at George
Speaker 1: Vogel Channel five. Is great to retired sportscaster who met
Speaker 1: him at his home at about two am and talked
Speaker 1: him literally off the bridge. And Brandon Sajos now turn
Speaker 1: his life around and now he's speaking on college campuses
Speaker 1: about the difficulties of depression, mental illness, things of that character.
Speaker 1: So that's at two o'clock today. Don't want to miss that.
Speaker 1: Also later on after one o'clock with Erica Sanzi will
Speaker 1: be here.
Speaker 4: In the meantime.
Speaker 1: The nation, I get many texts from my friends around
Speaker 1: the country had a dose of the Bengals, the Reds,
Speaker 1: and the Reds Monday Night Football Bengals, Tuesday Wednesday Reds
Speaker 1: in LA and shall we say the nation doesn't want
Speaker 1: to see much more of the Bengals and Reds because
Speaker 1: the games are non competitive. I know my friend and
Speaker 1: yours at the inquire Williams has a column up about
Speaker 1: what the Castellinies have to do and must do in
Speaker 1: order to be more competitive. Number one I related on
Speaker 1: X that I thought the Reds were great overachievers. I mean,
Speaker 1: how many teams make the playoffs that don't have one
Speaker 1: regular player hitting two seventy and no regular player has
Speaker 1: more than twenty two home runs, no pitcher has a
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy strikeouts doesn't happen. And basically, this
Speaker 1: was a team of middling players who performed above expectations
Speaker 1: for one reason or another. And none of the starting
Speaker 1: pitchers had fifteen wins, so, in other words, they couldn't hit,
Speaker 1: couldn't hit regularly, couldn't hit for power. The pitching starting
Speaker 1: pitching didn't have many strikeouts and didn't have a win.
Speaker 1: The number one pitcher, I think Singer had fourteen victories
Speaker 1: So as a consequence, when you have a playoff team
Speaker 1: with those deficiencies, especially playing in a ballpark like the
Speaker 1: Great American, you got to go get some players that
Speaker 1: can knock the ball out of the Ballpoller Ballpark, like
Speaker 1: the Panda Bear or others whoever it might be, to
Speaker 1: come and help the ball club. Now, whether that happens
Speaker 1: or not, I don't know. They drew two million strong.
Speaker 1: And by the way, the owners are getting ready after
Speaker 1: next year for the strike slash lockout. They firmly believe.
Speaker 1: The owners firmly believe they have to have a salary cap,
Speaker 1: which they have one more or less in baseball now,
Speaker 1: and all you do is pay a fine and then
Speaker 1: you don't have a salary cap. So, for example, the
Speaker 1: Dodgers have a payroll about three hundred and sixty million.
Speaker 1: The Reds are about one hundred and fifteen million. They
Speaker 1: have three times the payroll, and they pay. They pay
Speaker 1: a tax of about one hundred and twenty five million dollars.
Speaker 1: So the cost of the Dodgers of the team is
Speaker 1: three sixty to the players about one hundred and forty
Speaker 1: thousand in the luxury tax. So the Dodgers have an
Speaker 1: extra five hundred million dollars to pay the players directly
Speaker 1: and indirectly. And the Red Legs have a team of
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifteen million. And this is going to
Speaker 1: be more and more a big league town, a big
Speaker 1: league effort. Big cities and small markets are in trouble.
Speaker 1: But then I talked to Moeger who tells me about Milwaukee.
Speaker 1: All right, Milwaukee is a payroll similar to Cincinnati. Let's
Speaker 1: see how they do. So we'll see what happens. But
Speaker 1: there's fear intrepidation in the land that after next season
Speaker 1: the sport's going to go on hiatus for a while
Speaker 1: because of the difficulties of small market teams competing, which
Speaker 1: it appears at least one small market team is competing
Speaker 1: quite well.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 1: He got Chicago, Philadelphia in LA. But you also have
Speaker 1: the Cubs, a large market team, and also Milwaukee's still
Speaker 1: out it. We'll see what happens down the road. Judge
Speaker 1: Berkowitz had a profile encourage to come out and speak.
Speaker 4: He's on the bench.
Speaker 1: He's the administrative and presiding judge of Hamley County Municipal
Speaker 1: Court and Judge Berkowitz has been there for ten years
Speaker 1: and he was at the beginning of the sliding toward
Speaker 1: restorative justice ten years ago, but now has completely metastasized.
Speaker 1: For example, Holly, who I texted with this morning, a
Speaker 1: woman had the crap beat out of her on July
Speaker 1: the twenty sixth, and her case is going to take
Speaker 1: months to resolve. But nonetheless, she points out that the
Speaker 1: streets of Cincinnati are not safe and they're not good.
Speaker 1: I've had former council members and former mayors tell me
Speaker 1: they would not walk around downtown Cincinnati after dark. I
Speaker 1: have many video given to me by Signal ninety nine
Speaker 1: and elsewhere of numerents dozens of shots fired in and
Speaker 1: around the banks on a regular basis, and that open
Speaker 1: air drug use is available. Homelessness is ubiquitous, and people
Speaker 1: are smoking pot which is illegal, walking around, and we
Speaker 1: have a tremendous mental health problem. And the resolution to
Speaker 1: that is when someone commits a crime. It used to
Speaker 1: be if you committed a felony in hamlet A County,
Speaker 1: you were locked up pending trial. But about fifteen twenty
Speaker 1: years ago, the law school said that's not fair. It's
Speaker 1: not fair to have someone who doesn't have money treated
Speaker 1: differently to someone that does well. The great majority of
Speaker 1: people have a lot of money, by the way, don't
Speaker 1: commit crime anyway, And it used to be well, they
Speaker 1: can't make bonds, so what the heck, it's all good time.
Speaker 1: By that, I mean by the time you get convicted
Speaker 1: and sentenced, you get time, and you get credit for
Speaker 1: the time you served to awaiting trial. Anyway, the whole
Speaker 1: criminal justice system and the major cities have been turned
Speaker 1: upside down.
Speaker 4: And Cincinnati we're no different.
Speaker 1: We're about ten years behind, but we're going to get
Speaker 1: there on the course we're on, unless you, as a voter,
Speaker 1: change direction and say, you know, restorative justice and no
Speaker 1: bail for serious felonies is a problem. There were seven
Speaker 1: people arrested on the July twenty six feet down after
Speaker 1: the music festival, and all but two are now free
Speaker 1: on bail awaiting trial. And then in front of half
Speaker 1: the judges in Hamlinty County, you can commit serious crime
Speaker 1: and nothing happens.
Speaker 4: Anyway.
Speaker 1: They have this idea that there's too many people locked up.
Speaker 1: They don't want to lock up people in prison. That's
Speaker 1: why there are floors of the Hamlet County Justice Center
Speaker 1: that are empty right now because there's hardly anyone awaiting
Speaker 1: trial on a bond. The idea of at least half
Speaker 1: the judges is no cash bond, simply get out, sign
Speaker 1: your name, and you're gone. Burglarized, drug deals, manslaughters, reckless
Speaker 1: operation DUIs, whatever it might be, burglary, just sign your
Speaker 1: name and get out. That's the idea of the last
Speaker 1: ten years of the judges. Well, Judge Berkowitz is not
Speaker 1: one of them. He's got his finger in the dike,
Speaker 1: along with a few others like Judge tink a Locker.
Speaker 1: And this should not be political. With a small p
Speaker 1: many years, the Democratic judges in Haminy County were not
Speaker 1: much different than the Republican judges.
Speaker 4: You want to keep the community safe. So if you
Speaker 4: were Judge Maurice Neehouse or Judge Richard Kneehouse.
Speaker 1: Or Judge feller Off or Judge Black or Judge West
Speaker 1: or Judge Melburn Marsh who has another year or two
Speaker 1: to go, they're all Democrats except Melba. I love her dearly.
Speaker 1: She's a Republican, but she's an African American. I knew
Speaker 1: her mother, Martha quite well. The idea is, if you're
Speaker 1: arrested and there's probable cause.
Speaker 4: To believe you committed a very serious offense, you're going
Speaker 4: to be locked up pending trial. That doesn't happen anymore.
Speaker 1: It used to be, Okay, you did something serious, so
Speaker 1: you're going to spend three months in the Hamlin County jail.
Speaker 1: Find out what jail is like. And then after that
Speaker 1: you're on probation. And if you commit another crime on probation,
Speaker 1: guess what, you're going up north, You're going to the
Speaker 1: PENITENTI None of that happens anymore either, because you can
Speaker 1: violate probation. The judges, not Judge Berkowitz, but the other judges,
Speaker 1: Wendy Cross, etc. Took this satellite probation offices and brought
Speaker 1: them all downtown to make it a pain in the
Speaker 1: neck for those on probation actually report. And so every
Speaker 1: step is taken to make the victims of crime less
Speaker 1: noted for for the injuries inflicted upon them. Every event
Speaker 1: is on behalf of the defendant, and most of it,
Speaker 1: a lot of it is based in so called racial politics.
Speaker 1: It wasn't racial politics for Judge Black, or for Judge
Speaker 1: Melbourne Marsh or Judge West. No, it simply was this
Speaker 1: person very likely committed a serious offense and they're going
Speaker 1: to pay for it. Today, this person committed a serious
Speaker 1: offense and they're not going to pay for it. That's
Speaker 1: the attitude and has changed completely. The Democratic judges fifteen
Speaker 1: to twenty years ago weren't much different than the Republican judges.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: In fact, there was Republican judges like Judge Gilbert Bettman,
Speaker 1: Republican who was more liberal than some of the Democratic judges.
Speaker 4: It was simply to protect the community. That doesn't happen anymore.
Speaker 1: And at the core of it is, of course, restorative justice,
Speaker 1: reparations and race. By that, I mean if you look
Speaker 1: at the faces of those who commit most of these
Speaker 1: serious offenses in the city of Cincinnati, it's a young
Speaker 1: male blackface. And so the judges haven't gone through the colleges,
Speaker 1: the universities, the law schools, haven't been public defenders have
Speaker 1: been part of liberal interest advocacy groups do not look
Speaker 1: upon necessarily the crime committed, but the race of the
Speaker 1: person who committed it. So you want to pull your
Speaker 1: punch because that's about restorative justice or reparations. While the
Speaker 1: victims of those young black males tend to be overwhelmingly
Speaker 1: other young black males, and the mothers of the victims
Speaker 1: who are killed. They want justice for their loved one.
Speaker 1: So you see, and Xavier will hold symposiums on what
Speaker 1: to do if you're victimized by crime on campus. Thousands
Speaker 1: of crimes take place every year on the UC campus
Speaker 1: that are not reported to the police. Why well, the
Speaker 1: main reason is because the police don't respond. Why don't
Speaker 1: they respond? City Hall does not want the Cincinnati police
Speaker 1: to be proactive in what they're doing. They want them
Speaker 1: to be reactive and stand down. Don't pull cars over.
Speaker 1: See somebody smoking pot, leave alone, See someone homeless using needles,
Speaker 1: leave malone. See someone committing other minor offenses, don't find
Speaker 1: out what it is, because if you go hands on
Speaker 1: with somebody, you might have the Irish Rolli types breathing
Speaker 1: down your neck.
Speaker 4: You might be sued.
Speaker 1: And secondly, you're going to find out that have other
Speaker 1: warrants for their arrest. And we don't want to go
Speaker 1: down that route. So the mayor, the Vice mayor who
Speaker 1: is Victoria Parks, the President po Temp pro tem Scottie Johnson,
Speaker 1: lemon Kearney. They have a view of law enforcement that says,
Speaker 1: if you commit a serious crime and there's probable cause
Speaker 1: believe that you did it. You deserve to be out
Speaker 1: on bond. Get them out and don't pull over misdemeanor
Speaker 1: lawbreakers to find out you got more serious issues. And
Speaker 1: we're going to find out in November, what's only about
Speaker 1: five weeks away, how serious people are in Cincinnati and
Speaker 1: Hemlet County about criminal justice. The block community is more
Speaker 1: inflicted with crime than any other community. And that is
Speaker 1: the block community is very likely to keep voting for
Speaker 1: the politicians and the judges who have a soft on
Speaker 1: crime approach for reasons unclear to me, and I hope
Speaker 1: it changes. If it doesn't change, Cincinnati, which is about
Speaker 1: ten years behind other major cities, are going to go
Speaker 1: down the tubes, just like downtown Dayton, just like Columbus,
Speaker 1: just like Cleveland or Memphis, whatever it might be. We're
Speaker 1: going to be similar. When Victoria Parks, the President pro
Speaker 1: tema city council can say that Holly beg to be beaten.
Speaker 1: And when you have this show with the governor standing
Speaker 1: in with the FBI, the atf US Marshal Service, Prosecutor's
Speaker 1: office and everyone talking about, okay, the adults are coming
Speaker 1: in now. The Highway of Patrol is going to be here.
Speaker 1: That was all a farce. It came out to two
Speaker 1: shifts a month, which has turned to zero. It doesn't work.
Speaker 1: It's all about smoking mirrors. So it'll be up to
Speaker 1: you in about five weeks what direction you went to
Speaker 1: city in the county to go become informed, know what's
Speaker 1: going on. If you like the course of crime and
Speaker 1: debaucherous misbehavior in the city of Cincinnati, just vote for Democrats.
Speaker 1: They promised more of the same. In fact, they don't
Speaker 1: think there's a problem. Well, Sarah Herringer knows there's a problem.
Speaker 1: Holly knows there's a problem, and the mothers of all
Speaker 1: these dead kids know that there's a problem, and you
Speaker 1: got to change. If you don't change, you're going to
Speaker 1: get more of the same. And then judges like Josh
Speaker 1: Berklewitch will simply at some point age out and they'll
Speaker 1: be replaced by a restorative justice person who thinks that
Speaker 1: anyone locked up on a crime previous to convict is
Speaker 1: a problem. You know, no one is actually guilty until
Speaker 1: trial or until they plead there's probable cause to believe
Speaker 1: they committed the offense. But no cash bonds means that
Speaker 1: criminals aren't running the streets. We have about five hundred
Speaker 1: to one thousand total criminals. The great majority of black,
Speaker 1: young black kids have nothing to do with crime. But
Speaker 1: the face of crime is a young black male face.
Speaker 1: So we address the one thousand that are acting up
Speaker 1: committing crimes against their own community, then the other twenty
Speaker 1: five to thirty thousand black kids can get on with
Speaker 1: their life that wouldn't commit any crime any more than
Speaker 1: I would commit a crime. It's a small distinct number
Speaker 1: in the black community, protected by liberal Democrats. In fact,
Speaker 1: there's so protected that the Vice mayor lemon Kearney will
Speaker 1: pay armed robbers one thousand dollars a month to not
Speaker 1: commit more armed robberies. You're paid not to commit crime.
Speaker 1: It's called the h It's a program it's council voted
Speaker 1: for to reduce gun violence, and that they pay you
Speaker 1: not to commit armed robberies. I give you travel vouchers
Speaker 1: and job trainings and therapy and more, not prison. You'll
Speaker 1: be paid not to give it more crimes. That city
Speaker 1: Council's approach. Let's continue. After two o'clock today we'll be
Speaker 1: Brandon Sajo. After one o'clock will be Erica Sanzi and
Speaker 1: so much more twelve fifty five, Home of Your Reds
Speaker 1: Getting Ready for Spring Training twenty twenty six on News
Speaker 1: Radio seven hundred WULW. Bill Cunningham, the great American. Of course,
Speaker 1: if you've listened to me in the past several years,
Speaker 1: certainly public education is a complete turmoil. Although I'm very
Speaker 1: familiar with happening in Cincinnati public schools, the same is
Speaker 1: true in Chicago or Austin, or Sacramento or New York.
Speaker 1: I could not imagine being in Atlanta public school where
Speaker 1: that its education must be. Like I've referenced before that
Speaker 1: many of these kids come out as marching Marxist. The
Speaker 1: average twelfth grader in Chicago reads about the eighth grade level.
Speaker 1: It's in doctrination, not education, and it's getting worse. It's
Speaker 1: not getting better.
Speaker 4: Jona, and you and I.
Speaker 1: I is doctor eric Osanzi. She's a public relations director
Speaker 1: with defunding, defending education, et cetera, and defunding education as
Speaker 1: it is today. And Erica, welcome, I think for the
Speaker 1: first time to the Bill Cunningham Show. Before we get
Speaker 1: into your article at OutKick, which I think was fabulous,
Speaker 1: can you kind of tell us what's happening with doctor
Speaker 1: Ian Roberts, the superintendent des Moines, which is illustrative of
Speaker 1: a larger problem.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, this is one of those stories that
Speaker 3: you actually feel like it's like made for a move
Speaker 3: to be made into a movie. Every time I check
Speaker 3: the news, another shoe has dropped related to this guy.
Speaker 3: But essentially, you know, the Des Moines Public Schools that has,
Speaker 3: you know, thirty five thousand students hired this man, doctor
Speaker 3: Ian Roberts, to become their superintendent. His salary plus benefit
Speaker 3: fits all in per year with three hundred and five
Speaker 3: thousand dollars. And it turns out that he appears to
Speaker 3: just be kind of like a con man. So he
Speaker 3: was arrested the end of last week by Ice or
Speaker 3: detained I think the word right, detained by ice because
Speaker 3: there was an active deportation order out for him which
Speaker 3: was issued under the Biben administration in May of twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four. When he was pursued by the Ice agents,
Speaker 3: he abandoned his car and took off in like some
Speaker 3: sort of like woods or like I think they said
Speaker 3: it was like a brushy area, left a loaded gun
Speaker 3: in his car, three thousand dollars in cash, so that's
Speaker 3: already like a pretty big story. But it turns out
Speaker 3: that he also had lied about his credentials, had lied
Speaker 3: about getting a doctorate from Morgan State, which he never did.
Speaker 3: So he was going by doctor back when he was
Speaker 3: working in the DC Public School in twenty twelve, but
Speaker 3: he didn't actually get his or his doctorate until twenty
Speaker 3: twenty one. And I think it was kind of from
Speaker 3: one of those like online diploma mill type places. He
Speaker 3: misrepresented being a citizen on his I nine and he
Speaker 3: also left behind he worked at school in Pennsylvania and
Speaker 3: left in his way four hundred and five thousand dollars
Speaker 3: in legal settlement costs for the district, all directly related
Speaker 3: to him. And I mean, I mean, I don't you
Speaker 3: never want to relish in a story, but it really
Speaker 3: does like it just it's it's insane. And then when
Speaker 3: you see what his ideology was, when you see what
Speaker 3: the policies were in des Moines under him, it just
Speaker 3: all makes sense.
Speaker 1: He was a classic Dei hire. He fit the formula
Speaker 1: of the Liberals of des Pine Board of Education. And
Speaker 1: I suppose one of the women, one of the ladies
Speaker 1: that hired him, is now running for the Senate and
Speaker 1: Iowa to take the place of Jody Urns next year.
Speaker 4: And I'm describe that, explain that one.
Speaker 3: It's even worse than that. So, first of all, I
Speaker 3: hate to say this because this does make me sound sexist,
Speaker 3: and that's fine. This is an all female school board,
Speaker 3: and I do think that's relevant because of the way
Speaker 3: that empathy is much more easily weaponized with women. Number Two,
Speaker 3: the ch the board chair. This woman who is the
Speaker 3: chair of the board was in the past Michelle Obama's
Speaker 3: chief of staff perfect and she's now running for a
Speaker 3: US Senate. And the funniest thing is she made a
Speaker 3: video a few days ago saying I've been so busy
Speaker 3: with my volunteer job as a school board chair this
Speaker 3: past week that i haven't had time to can't work
Speaker 3: on my campaign, so please donate money. So she's literally
Speaker 3: she's fundraising off a massive failure, which I don't know
Speaker 3: that just kind of that takes a lot of I
Speaker 3: don't know what to think that people are going to
Speaker 3: want to give you money because.
Speaker 6: You are now like a.
Speaker 3: Nationwide spectacle because of your Either two things, one of
Speaker 3: two things happened.
Speaker 2: Either this was.
Speaker 3: Ideology that had taken over and had you know, blinded
Speaker 3: them to reality or this is completing competence.
Speaker 1: Well, doctor Ian Roberts is not a doctor. I'm watching
Speaker 1: one of the UH immigration lawyers representing the Trump administration
Speaker 1: who says, thirty years ago he was involved in drug dealing.
Speaker 1: He was picked up illegally. He's from the nation of
Speaker 1: Guyana in South America. Every part of his life is fake.
Speaker 1: And now the Moine Board of Education is saying, well,
Speaker 1: we hired this other company to do the proper investigation.
Speaker 4: All it takes is a computer.
Speaker 1: And Google to find out this guy doesn't does not
Speaker 1: have a life at all other than as a trickster
Speaker 1: and a hoaster. And when it was when the gig
Speaker 1: was up, he ran in a car, parked the car
Speaker 1: illegally in a field, ran to hide behind some bushes
Speaker 1: and trees with a gun illegally, a knife illegally, and
Speaker 1: with three thousand dollars in cash. And this is the
Speaker 1: person the Liberal Democrats in Des Moines, Iowa wanted to
Speaker 1: lead thirty thousand kids in the public school system. I
Speaker 1: can imagine the results of the testing in that school
Speaker 1: district with this guy in charge and one of the
Speaker 1: scoreboard members wiped away tears as she spoke in Spanish
Speaker 1: during the Tuesday night acceptance of his resignation. And the students,
Speaker 1: how about this one, Ericasonzi, how about this one? There
Speaker 1: were about fifteen or twenty students who walked out Wednesday
Speaker 1: or Wednesday morning in protest. They were unhappy they lost
Speaker 1: their good looking superintendent who fed all the DEI principles.
Speaker 1: How about the students themselves saying we want him back?
Speaker 3: Well again, this is another thing with that weaponization of
Speaker 3: empathy right where you convince these kids that in order
Speaker 3: to be a good person they have to stand up
Speaker 3: for this guy. Now, I've worked in enough schools to
Speaker 3: know most students don't know who they're superintendent. It is
Speaker 3: even so if there was an overwhelming awareness of this
Speaker 3: guy by students, that's also kind of strange. So the
Speaker 3: fact that they would be and again you're going to
Speaker 3: see these the parents who are protesting again why because
Speaker 3: it's about these identity boxes. For them, he doesn't matter
Speaker 3: what he did wrong. We've seen this so many times
Speaker 3: over the past few years, that people will make excuses
Speaker 3: and lower the bar if people's check off certain identity boxes.
Speaker 3: And that's clearly what happened here, because it's all indefensible
Speaker 3: no matter who he is. But again, but for some
Speaker 3: of these people for whom this ideology has sort of,
Speaker 3: like ye, broken their brains, they they're still kind of
Speaker 3: clinging to the idea that he was the right guy
Speaker 3: for the job.
Speaker 1: Liberal females were encaptured with the way he appeared, had
Speaker 1: the right had the right kind of hair, representation, always
Speaker 1: looked great, represented very well.
Speaker 4: It was all a fake and a front.
Speaker 1: Before we talk about your column, which I think is
Speaker 1: fabulous at OutKick, I want to talk briefly about Chicago,
Speaker 1: and I'm reading a headline Chicago Teachers Union Moren's death
Speaker 1: a convicted seventies cop killer and revolutionary, and this got
Speaker 1: small strift in the mainstream media. But back in the
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, there was a woman who took the name
Speaker 1: of Asada Shakur, literally convicted of killing a police officer.
Speaker 1: His name was State Trooper New Jersey Warner Forster. And
Speaker 1: she was convicted in nineteen seventy seven. No question she
Speaker 1: did it. She was convicted, And somehow I must have
Speaker 1: missed this one. Her band of renegades and revolutionaries broke
Speaker 1: her out of a female state prison in New Jersey,
Speaker 1: and she made her way to Cuba. And so for
Speaker 1: the last time, almost fifty years, she's been living in Cuba,
Speaker 1: and every president has tried to get her back because
Speaker 1: he convicted, no questions, she killed a cop as a
Speaker 1: revolutionary act. Well, she died about a week ago, and
Speaker 1: the Chicago Teachers' Union mourns the death of convicted seventies
Speaker 1: cop killer and revolutionary Asada Shakur. These are the teachers
Speaker 1: in Chicago. This is a cop killer in Cuba. They said,
Speaker 1: rest in power, rest in peace. Today we honor the
Speaker 1: life and legacy of a revolutionary fighter, a fierce writer,
Speaker 1: a revered elder, a black liberation and a leader of
Speaker 1: freedom whose spirit continues to live in our struggle.
Speaker 4: A saughta refused to be silence. She taught us so much.
Speaker 4: So I'm reading this.
Speaker 1: So last week Chicago teachers honored a cop killer as
Speaker 1: a revolutionary.
Speaker 4: Why isn't that a bigger deal?
Speaker 3: So I saw a lot about this, but probably because
Speaker 3: I was on X a lot, and I would say too, again,
Speaker 3: it is important for listeners to know that the union.
Speaker 5: Leadership is very radical.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the rank and file are much less so,
Speaker 3: though the rank and file often are unaware of what
Speaker 3: their leadership is doing and saying.
Speaker 5: So but yeah, no, Well, we get to remember.
Speaker 3: This is the same teachers union who also said that
Speaker 3: anyone who wanted schools to reopen during the pandemic was
Speaker 3: a racist and a misogynist, which actually and a white
Speaker 3: supremacist I believe. So this this is one of the craziest,
Speaker 3: most unhinged teachers' unions in the country. I am not
Speaker 3: surprised that they came out and said that because that
Speaker 3: is who they are, and they it literally makes me
Speaker 3: think of like it like if we were going to
Speaker 3: like ads a to be like wanting to honor Timothy McVay,
Speaker 3: just something where you know, she in addition to killing
Speaker 3: being a cop killer, I believe she was also a
Speaker 3: bank robber.
Speaker 4: Correct.
Speaker 3: And the mayor of Chicago was asked about this now,
Speaker 3: and he is also a total black job who used
Speaker 3: to run this name this he used to run this union.
Speaker 5: To give you a sense, I mean, it's just like he's.
Speaker 3: Like a radical revolutionary type and uh, he didn't condemn what.
Speaker 5: The union said.
Speaker 3: He basically said that she what's the word I'm looking
Speaker 3: for here. She proclaimed her innocence throughout, and he said that,
Speaker 3: you know, when she was convicted, you couldn't get a
Speaker 3: fair trial in this country if you were a person
Speaker 3: of color. He said, so basically, he defended the union
Speaker 3: by saying she's probably innocent because you couldn't get a
Speaker 3: fair trial back then.
Speaker 4: He's a victim, and so her revolutionary band broke her out.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: The reason I asked you on today is your is
Speaker 1: your column and OutKick headline is teachers who delight in
Speaker 1: murder and assassinations are unfit for the job. You go
Speaker 1: on to write, millions of kids in this country love
Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk saw him executed on livestream. You go on
Speaker 1: to say that and that there's a question of fitness
Speaker 1: for the job. And you have some of the quotes
Speaker 1: of teachers and others. Quote another Nazi dead, rest in Urine,
Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk. You also the teachers have said, I've watched
Speaker 1: the video over and over like fifty times, love every
Speaker 1: fraction of a second of it. It gets better with
Speaker 1: every watch. That's from a teacher. Quote, Yes I'm celebrating,
Speaker 1: Yes I hope he rots Another one far right buttholes
Speaker 1: have a target on their backs. One down, millions to go.
Speaker 1: So these are teachers in the classroom celebrating and cold
Speaker 1: blood the murder of Charlie Kirk. Explain that one to me.
Speaker 3: So these are all quotations that I pulled from social
Speaker 3: media platforms. So these were k through twelve teachers who
Speaker 3: took to public platforms to celebrate this assassination. They were
Speaker 3: not said in the classroom, they but they were put
Speaker 3: out on a public platform in the immediate aftermass of
Speaker 3: that murder. And again, like as I'm wearing my former
Speaker 3: teacher hat and my parent hat, this is a question
Speaker 3: of fitness. You're not fit for the role of to
Speaker 3: be educating other people's children in a compulsory education system
Speaker 3: if this is the way that you behave publicly for
Speaker 3: political assassination. And to me, it doesn't matter who it
Speaker 3: doesn't matter who is who gets killed. This behavior of
Speaker 3: this behavior of delighting and murder is something that maybe
Speaker 3: if my cashier at Wendy's, or my Amazon driver or
Speaker 3: my mechanic, you know, if they do that and I
Speaker 3: know about it, I can take my business elsewhere. But
Speaker 3: that to me is totally different than the adults who
Speaker 3: have custodial care of other people's children. And again I
Speaker 3: have to say, like, this is a compulsory education system,
Speaker 3: and we don't let parents choose. They have to send
Speaker 3: their kids to a school that they're residentially assigned to
Speaker 3: unless they have the means to make other arrangements. So
Speaker 3: to say that kids are being forced back into classrooms
Speaker 3: with adults who celebrated the murder of somebody that many
Speaker 3: of these kids didn't just look up to and admire,
Speaker 3: but he was like a daily part of their sort
Speaker 3: of social media diet, and they saw him snuffed out
Speaker 3: in an instant. And then they have to listen to
Speaker 3: the teacher, you know, or they at least have to
Speaker 3: know that their teacher thinks that's great.
Speaker 4: And doctor Sanzi, I'm glad you had that delineating. I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I think you're mixing me up with doctor Ian Roberts.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 1: Erica Sanse of Defending Education and the columns and OutKick,
Speaker 1: I want to say this, I'm against cancel culture that
Speaker 1: we all have rights of freedom of expression, freedom of speech.
Speaker 1: I draw the line if I'm ordering a meal at
Speaker 1: a restaurant, if someone of postal workers. Someone like that
Speaker 1: have doing ministerial functions of one type or another. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Okay, I can, but I don't want somebody
Speaker 1: in charge of my health like that anesthesiologist from Miami,
Speaker 1: Florida who went on another a woman by the way,
Speaker 1: who talked about how happy she was that Charlie Kirk
Speaker 1: is murdered. I don't want a college professor. I don't
Speaker 1: want someone who's at teaching my kids in school with
Speaker 1: these with this value system, some of the other cuts
Speaker 1: that you have about teachers.
Speaker 4: Quote.
Speaker 1: I can't believe people are actually mourning this. I can't
Speaker 1: use the word quote. Hearing that Charlie Kirk got shot
Speaker 1: and died really brightened up my day. Another one said
Speaker 1: I'm glad he's dead. Another one out of social media said,
Speaker 1: what a piece of garbage. This is what happens. He
Speaker 1: met his maker. But let's be very clear that maker
Speaker 1: is not in heaven. Charlie Kirk is not in heaven.
Speaker 1: He's in hell right now. That's from teachers on social media.
Speaker 1: So explain again to the American people why this is
Speaker 1: not cancel culture.
Speaker 3: This is not cancel culture, because this is a question fitness,
Speaker 3: for the job, and we as parents delegate the authority
Speaker 3: to schools to serve in local parentes during the school day.
Speaker 3: That means that these are people that are tasked with
Speaker 3: educating other people's children. To me, behaving that way is
Speaker 3: a sign that your moral compass is completely broken. And
Speaker 3: if that broken moral compass is gonna you can't force
Speaker 3: me to make my kids spend their time with somebody
Speaker 3: look like that, because there's two reasons. One delighting and murder.
Speaker 3: And by the way, a political assassination of somebody in
Speaker 3: the midst of a debate on a college campus that
Speaker 3: clearly is just qualifying, but so is the lack of judgment.
Speaker 3: It takes two. Again. They didn't whisper this to their spouse,
Speaker 3: they didn't like say this when they were out to
Speaker 3: dinner with their friends. They put it on a public
Speaker 3: platform for the world to see. So that tells me
Speaker 3: that they just they lack any judgment or all judgment
Speaker 3: required to be in that kind of a position with
Speaker 3: other people's children. Because right now, like there are kind
Speaker 3: of trapped half. I mean, when you look at middle
Speaker 3: school and high school kids, especially boys, Charlie Kirk was,
Speaker 3: they probably saw him on their phones every single day.
Speaker 3: Many of them admired him, looked up to him, thought
Speaker 3: he was relatable, thought he was able to say things
Speaker 3: if they wish they could say, but they're afraid to say.
Speaker 3: Liked his politics, so they liked him. Other people, it
Speaker 3: wasn't politics. He was kind of a faith leader for them,
Speaker 3: so they looked up to him for that reason. For
Speaker 3: some kids, it was just finally a regular guy that
Speaker 3: just like speaks the truth, whatever it was. They saw
Speaker 3: his life extinguished right before their eyes. When we talk
Speaker 3: about kid not having boys don't have role models, Boys
Speaker 3: don't have role models, we literally watched one of them
Speaker 3: be murdered in front of their eyes, and then their
Speaker 3: teacher goes out and says that that's a good thing.
Speaker 3: I mean, couldn't the kid wonder? The kid wondered, I
Speaker 3: wonder if my teacher would be excited if I was killed.
Speaker 2: We have to run.
Speaker 1: But Erica Sonsey, defending education the columns and OutKick you
Speaker 1: end up by saying parents should never be expected to
Speaker 1: send their children back into a classroom with teachers whose
Speaker 1: moral compass is so broken as they applaud the murder
Speaker 1: of an innocent man. Once again, Erica Sonsey, it's been great.
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on and keep informing the American people
Speaker 1: about what's happening in the classrooms.
Speaker 4: And it's quite sad. Erica, thank you very much for
Speaker 4: having me. God bless you. Let's continue. Let's continue. Bill
Speaker 4: Cunningham seven hundred WLW.
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Speaker 1: That was the young Joe Burrow after they beat the
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Speaker 7: Is he going to go to the game next, Wendy,
Speaker 7: He might be playing. I don't know, but even that way,
Speaker 7: have that issue.
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Speaker 4: Joe Burrow could be out there Sunday against the Lions.
Speaker 4: Was back within three weeks? Wasn't he have the ten
Speaker 4: and eight surgery? Get him back? Seg I read this story.
Speaker 1: Issue hated his toes. Did you know that he's a
Speaker 1: pain somewhere else? But that's a different issue. Good to
Speaker 1: have Sloany back. Yes, according to this one column in
Speaker 1: the Athletic Huh, the Reds in history have made more records.
Speaker 1: According to this con columnist, no team in baseball histories
Speaker 1: made the postseason without having a pitcher that won fifteen
Speaker 1: games and had a pitcher any pitcher with one hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy strikeouts.
Speaker 4: None there.
Speaker 1: The Singer got close at fourteen correct got close and hitting? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the regular starters for the Reds, none of them have
Speaker 1: a two to seventy batting average more than twenty two
Speaker 1: home runs. Now you put that together. Don't have pitching,
Speaker 1: don't have hitting, don't have power. How did the Reds
Speaker 1: do what they did?
Speaker 4: I guess by guts, gyles, guiles, luck and things just
Speaker 4: falling their way in many of the games, I guess.
Speaker 4: Can I give you an idea that you'll reject out
Speaker 4: of hand?
Speaker 1: You mean, in last night's game? Trade Honor Green? What
Speaker 1: the Reds have him through twenty twenty nine at a
Speaker 1: low number? Whoa watching him the last seple years? Don't
Speaker 1: they have number forty four at that same time?
Speaker 4: I think? So what if those two go or they will? Yeah?
Speaker 4: You know, but if you trade him now? For if
Speaker 4: that's if they play after twenty six, they.
Speaker 1: May not play it in twenty seven rights, But at
Speaker 1: this point, Hunter is Hunter Green, the second coming of
Speaker 1: Jose Riho.
Speaker 4: Jose blame it on ReHO. No, and he didn't go
Speaker 4: to Steidberg's. The fact of the matter is, I know
Speaker 4: that's Harris, but I say trade Lodolo and trade I
Speaker 4: think you're gonna see some interesting moves.
Speaker 6: I know.
Speaker 4: The Cowboy made a comment last night during I guess
Speaker 4: during the game after said that there's gonna be some
Speaker 4: big probably some big changes made, which I mean, they're
Speaker 4: gonna have to pony up. They're gonna have to pony
Speaker 4: up and get a power hitter. That's all you got
Speaker 4: to do. You're not going to get Swarbur. He's going
Speaker 4: to stand on. Let's go get it.
Speaker 1: They get him, They get him, bring him here, get
Speaker 1: them both here. There's a there's a how many home
Speaker 1: runs wild they hit in my ballpark? The Great American
Speaker 1: You mean Pete Pee Alonso?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Many? How about Swarmber? How many would he hit?
Speaker 4: Oh a hundred? He would he would uh he he
Speaker 4: would redecorate the left field area of Great American ballpark'
Speaker 4: he hit him off a Heritage Bank center with half
Speaker 4: the games in a band. You know that he might
Speaker 4: power might even hit him to the river, which means Pitzerland, Kayaks, Mississippi, No,
Speaker 4: the high O River. They may be people in kayaks
Speaker 4: getting the ball like they are in Oracle Park in
Speaker 4: San Francisco. They think outside the box? Why not? Well,
Speaker 4: I mean Adam Dunn hit one without the river boat
Speaker 4: there and it ended up what like like No, it
Speaker 4: ended up like what about a foot and by the
Speaker 4: river because it got stopped by a piece of driftwood.
Speaker 4: Get on the public landing and get alonzo. Does that
Speaker 4: make sense?
Speaker 7: Well, then you're gonna and then you well, you're gonna
Speaker 7: play with two guys. They might charge a lot of money.
Speaker 7: Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 4: Both are unrestricted free agents? What does that mean? As long?
Speaker 7: And I tell you one thing. If these guys walk
Speaker 7: on in twenty seven, that is it. If there's a
Speaker 7: striking twenty song with the.
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Speaker 1: Seventeen dollars and ninety five cents for a buffet, which
Speaker 1: is unbelievable, And he has got to raise prices. What
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Speaker 1: Not bad when I was there on Saturday, had to
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Speaker 1: taking up a whole section.
Speaker 4: No, were I just walk in now?
Speaker 7: Really yeah, I didn't know that we get there early
Speaker 7: enough at four o'clock, I should say, I know, Olga, Well,
Speaker 7: you had one more time at Red's updated Yoshi Yadamoto
Speaker 7: had nine strikeouts and seven innings and the Dodgers breaking
Speaker 7: open last night eight to four.
Speaker 4: The season is over. A key moment was in the
Speaker 4: Red sixth trailing three to two, first three reach, then Yammoto, Yes,
Speaker 4: wiggles out of it, wiggles Austin, Austin Hayes a fielder's choice.
Speaker 4: Then out at home, then big salth Stewart call sal
Speaker 4: now and number forty four strikeout. See, you wouldn't want
Speaker 4: to be a strike out? Bad of a season? Did
Speaker 4: Dalla Cruz have the last half? The Lord half?
Speaker 7: Brutal and defensively? What had twenty five errors the last
Speaker 7: two years? She said, fifty errors? That's why they need
Speaker 7: to That's why. And that's one thing that the Reds
Speaker 7: had this year.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 7: Also, situational hitting none again, basis Jack twice? Nothing night?
Speaker 7: So up next here we go January Reds Fest. Here
Speaker 7: we go, the first event at the new Convention Center.
Speaker 7: Here we go, Red Legs. Here we go Spring training
Speaker 7: in February.
Speaker 4: Opening day twenty twenty six against those Boston Red Sox
Speaker 4: on March the twenty sixth. The Red Sox and the Reds.
Speaker 1: You know, they were formed by almost the same group,
Speaker 1: the group that was in Cincinnati the late eighteen sixties
Speaker 1: made their way to Boston and they called themselves the
Speaker 1: Red Sox. They go to a local habidashery in eighteen
Speaker 1: sixty eight and the only color available was red because
Speaker 1: all the blue, the Union, the British all left it behind.
Speaker 4: Left it.
Speaker 1: And that's why the big came the Reds and they
Speaker 1: became the Red Stockings. Then the Red Sox became the
Speaker 1: Red Sox, having the Reds become the Red Stockings.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. It is a one hundred
Speaker 4: and seventy five days until opening day.
Speaker 1: Well, what's the date again? March twenty six. March twenty
Speaker 1: six will be the Holy Grail. Will I make more
Speaker 1: predictions or not? Gotta comes up to you. You have
Speaker 1: to come to find out a.
Speaker 4: Lot of game threes today, winner go home games Cleveland
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Speaker 4: Sox and Yanks at eight. Well, I want the Red
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Speaker 4: I think if the Yankees lose today, Aaron Boone's gonna
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Speaker 1: About twenty minutes, I have Brandon Sayhowe coming up from
Speaker 1: Channel five. Yes, who at Channel five was his life
Speaker 1: was saved basically by George Vogel.
Speaker 4: He's doing a great job. Ye see.
Speaker 1: I like that guy because now and then you get depressed,
Speaker 1: don't you you getting Around the time I walk in
Speaker 1: here with you, you get depressed. But dude becomes suicidal
Speaker 1: at times.
Speaker 4: One thing though, Willie we want to say congrats to
Speaker 4: one of our own today. Who is it? Dave Yitti Armbrewster.
Speaker 4: What his first hole in one in golf? Where was it?
Speaker 4: It happened on whole number three West, one hundred and
Speaker 4: thirty yards at beautiful glen View one hopping in according
Speaker 4: to his part playing partner, the Great Mike McConnell. What
Speaker 4: clue I understand had ten pars Mike mc donald yesterday?
Speaker 1: Did he put them all out? I got Jimmy's from
Speaker 1: twenty feet. I don't know, I don't know, but yed
Speaker 1: Man's got his first hole in one her Yidman, congratulations.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a mental hospital glen View.
Speaker 7: And then you know, and then you might might want
Speaker 7: to invite them over to the friendly confines.
Speaker 1: I've had one hole in one of my life. I
Speaker 1: played golf since I was fifteen. Well, I've had one.
Speaker 1: Yid's matched you. The legendary Bruce Roddy had fourteen holes
Speaker 1: in one Jez fourteen. He shot his age one four
Speaker 1: hundred and twelve times. Now, one other little fact for you.
Speaker 1: The year before he died, Yes, he was seventy nine
Speaker 1: years old. He shot fifteen strokes below his age on
Speaker 1: ken View golf Course at Kenwood fifteen strokes below your
Speaker 1: age and putted everything out fifteen strokes below your age.
Speaker 1: Just contemplate that for a while. He shot sixty four
Speaker 1: and he was seventy nine.
Speaker 4: Was my partner? I took him as a partner. Would
Speaker 4: you agree? Yes, you're my partner. Bruce. It's me Bruce Gardner.
Speaker 1: And we were beat up on Tino and Wally beat
Speaker 1: him like a redheaded step child and a rented mule.
Speaker 1: And Bruce was the man seventy nine years old shoots
Speaker 1: sixty four.
Speaker 4: How about that?
Speaker 7: Say get me out of the Stude's report, please, Willie
Speaker 7: Nutter of the Reds of twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: Five, Brandon coming up, say we leave you with the
Speaker 4: immortal words of the Stooge report. I lost my mind?
Speaker 4: Who was that? I was heading? You'd lost his mind
Speaker 4: and lost his ball in the cup? On news Radio
Speaker 4: seven hundred w.
Speaker 1: Let's continue now, Billy Cunning into Great America and one
Speaker 1: of the great aspects of our human life, just the
Speaker 1: mental side of things, which often dominates the physical side.
Speaker 1: We spent in disproportionate amounts of money on physicality, lack
Speaker 1: of resources, and a lot of condemnation of mental difficulties.
Speaker 1: And one of the persons whose lives have crossed with
Speaker 1: mine is Brandon Sajo, who began in Cincinnati as a sportscaster.
Speaker 1: He kind of filtered away a little bit. He worked here,
Speaker 1: worked with me a little bit, but then he shall
Speaker 1: I use the term, resurface a few years later with
Speaker 1: the Mental Game podcast headquartered in la and once again Brandon, soho,
Speaker 1: welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all,
Speaker 1: Brandon described to the American people how our paths crossed.
Speaker 4: At one point many years ago.
Speaker 5: I was a young cub at seven hundred doing the
Speaker 5: America's Trucking Network overnight and so I think I filled
Speaker 5: in maybe once or twice during your show and then
Speaker 5: the Sunday show. So I was just a little guy
Speaker 5: trying to figure out the media world.
Speaker 1: And from that point you went to television, and then
Speaker 1: after that something happened. You worked at local television stations
Speaker 1: here in Cincinnati.
Speaker 4: What happened? What was the break in your life that
Speaker 4: changed it fundamentally?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I had struggled with my mental health
Speaker 5: behind the scene since being you know, a freshman at
Speaker 5: LaSalle back in two thousand and seven and struggled with
Speaker 5: alcoholism and depression, suicidal thoughts off and on, and then
Speaker 5: got to this rock bottom during twenty twenty one. Look,
Speaker 5: you know it, we lose everything. So for the Bengals
Speaker 5: to go to the super Bowl and you see, to
Speaker 5: be in the playoffs, it was huge. But behind the scenes,
Speaker 5: I lost three family members. I lost my relationship, the
Speaker 5: woman I thought I was gonna marry. I had all
Speaker 5: this pressure on me at work and I had no
Speaker 5: other choice but to ask for help or I, you know,
Speaker 5: wouldn't be alive. And so thankfully I had the courage
Speaker 5: to do that. But man, I just thought alone didn't
Speaker 5: want to live anymore, And without asking for help, I'm
Speaker 5: probably not here having this conversation with you.
Speaker 4: Man, well as alcohol is a medicine for you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was, like I call it the pain. You know,
Speaker 5: I lost, you know, my grandpa to addiction. Never met him.
Speaker 5: He was you know, passed before I was born. My
Speaker 5: dad was an alcoholic. I just, yeah, something that I
Speaker 5: turned to. I call it autopilot. You know, I think
Speaker 5: you can joke. I love I love all the places
Speaker 5: down things, but you can joke with a lot of
Speaker 5: those people down there. It would see me until three
Speaker 5: or four in the morning, five nights a week, my
Speaker 5: entire in Cincinnati. It's really sad to look back at.
Speaker 1: So you were in a dark, lonely place, no one
Speaker 1: to turn to. Alcohol was like a bottle, it was
Speaker 1: like a crutch, It was like a medicine. You were
Speaker 1: severely or mentally depressed. How close were you to suicide?
Speaker 5: I mean that that that walked home almost every night
Speaker 5: to where I lived in Covington, on the Rubling Bridge.
Speaker 5: I mean I sat there fifty to seventy five nights
Speaker 5: thinking about you know, and in it. I had many
Speaker 5: nights of I mean I wrote by letter, I had
Speaker 5: a lot of you know, Willie. If I didn't have
Speaker 5: the courage to talk to my mom that night, the
Speaker 5: final night on that bridge, I probably go so yeah,
Speaker 5: I was. I was as close as it gets.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 5: I haven't told this story really at all. There was
Speaker 5: a night that I was calling people to say goodbye,
Speaker 5: and the first person I called was George Vogel, and
Speaker 5: God bless him. He came to my house at two am,
Speaker 5: that was me in my living room and talked me
Speaker 5: kind of off that ledge. I will preface it with
Speaker 5: being the good man that he is. He saw a
Speaker 5: bottle bottle of bourbon across the hall on my bar
Speaker 5: and said, hey, can I have a sip while I
Speaker 5: sit here and listen to you? And I said absolutely.
Speaker 5: It's hard for me to laugh about this stuff sometimes
Speaker 5: looking back, but you know, yeah, I was at I
Speaker 5: was at rock bottom and I didn't want to be
Speaker 5: here anymore. Man. I'm about as close as you can get,
Speaker 5: and I thank God every day that I'm still alive.
Speaker 1: You were working on Channel five with SRI and with
Speaker 1: others since, so at this point, what were the pressures
Speaker 1: that you felt that you could not deal? Many can
Speaker 1: shed them like water hitting the ducks back others it
Speaker 1: soaks in. What did you perceive as the problems in
Speaker 1: your mind? Brendon say he that that we're on that
Speaker 1: were insurmountable.
Speaker 5: I think for me, the biggest thing was feeling alone.
Speaker 3: You know it.
Speaker 5: Growing up in Cincinnati, the most common thing that people
Speaker 5: do is, uh, marry their high school sweetheart, had the
Speaker 5: perfect house, stay on the east side or west side,
Speaker 5: and live a happy life. And you know, that's what
Speaker 5: I wanted, and it wasn't what I had. You know,
Speaker 5: I was single a lot of my life dealing with
Speaker 5: some relationships stuff, and you know that that breakup in
Speaker 5: that moment, along with losing you know, family members, including
Speaker 5: my cousin Ben, who had a heart attack at thirty one.
Speaker 5: He's basically my older brother. But I think the relationship crawling,
Speaker 5: you know, falling apart, that's what got me the most.
Speaker 5: And I felt like, as a man, you know, I'm
Speaker 5: supposed to be married and be a father one day,
Speaker 5: and I want to find this stuff and what is
Speaker 5: wrong with me? Why get it? And so yeah that
Speaker 5: I thought I'd always be alone. And yeah, it just
Speaker 5: made me feel like I wasn't good enough for anyone,
Speaker 5: even myself.
Speaker 1: You know, men aren't supposed to cry, and men aren't
Speaker 1: supposed to show emotion, and men are supposed to be
Speaker 1: harry s alphas. And when things don't turn out that way,
Speaker 1: some sink into a bottle, some sink into drugs, and
Speaker 1: you eventually checked into a mental hospital.
Speaker 4: Is that correct?
Speaker 5: Yeah? The Lender Center of Hope and Mason, which has
Speaker 5: saved my life in so many lives people, not just
Speaker 5: in Ohio but all across the country. It really is
Speaker 5: an amazing place.
Speaker 4: What happened there.
Speaker 5: So I don't know about you, Willy, I'm gonna guess
Speaker 5: that you had the same concept of a mental hospital
Speaker 5: that I did as a psych ward. Where they throw
Speaker 5: someone in a white, padded room and they cry for
Speaker 5: hours and then when they're done crying, they're all better
Speaker 5: and they go home. That's not what it is at all.
Speaker 5: I would say about ten to fifteen percent of the
Speaker 5: time with one on one therapy with my therapist or
Speaker 5: a psychiatrist, but you know, percent as the time with
Speaker 5: a classroom, just like you know we had in high
Speaker 5: school with twenty to twenty five people eighteen to eighty
Speaker 5: years old, every color, creed, job background. We just had
Speaker 5: this one thing in common. We didn't want to live anymore.
Speaker 5: Get help. And that was the first time I realized
Speaker 5: I wasn't alone. And it was the first time that
Speaker 5: I learned what grief was and how to deal with
Speaker 5: these intrusive thoughts, and what to look for and how
Speaker 5: to cope and what's healthy and unhealthy. That obviously alcohol
Speaker 5: is going to hurt me, But how do I open
Speaker 5: up to someone and being a man, I mean, I
Speaker 5: know we can't say the word on the radio, but
Speaker 5: I'll never forget one of these, you know, therapists teaching
Speaker 5: these sessions, going Brandon, why aren't you opened up? Wy
Speaker 5: aren't you telling your story? And I said, well, as
Speaker 5: a man, I've always just been kind of a blank,
Speaker 5: you know the B word. I've always been weak. I've
Speaker 5: been emotional as a man. And she stopped me right
Speaker 5: there and she said, you know what, that's the problem
Speaker 5: with the stigma with mental health, but specifically men's mental health,
Speaker 5: and you're not that. And that's what starting to have
Speaker 5: those conversations with the other men in the room, that's
Speaker 5: what opened the door for me to get help. But
Speaker 5: just learning things that I had never learned before, like
Speaker 5: you know, recognizing when you're struggling, when you're not being yourself,
Speaker 5: that's a huge red site.
Speaker 3: Really.
Speaker 5: My job, similar to yours, was to interview these big
Speaker 5: stars and to be on the field with Burrow and
Speaker 5: Chase and be on TV every day, living out that
Speaker 5: dream job I had, you know, in my hometown. I
Speaker 5: hated my job all of a sudden, and it wasn't
Speaker 5: because of Channel five. It's because of my mental health. Struggled.
Speaker 5: I hated working out. I was sleeping into one in
Speaker 5: the afternoon. I was drunker than a skunk every night.
Speaker 5: I mean, I wasn't being myself, and so those things
Speaker 5: add up and you get in a point where that's
Speaker 5: all I knew to do was to ask for help.
Speaker 1: But for Lender Center, but for your mother, but for
Speaker 1: George Fogel, you'd be at the bottom of the Ohio River.
Speaker 5: I think, so, man, that's a that's a tough way
Speaker 5: to ask it. I uh, I'm thinking, I'm you know,
Speaker 5: I'm a visual storyteller. So yeah, I think, yeah. You
Speaker 5: know what's crazy about that is that we are a
Speaker 5: voting family and my mom didn't know any of this stuff,
Speaker 5: and we would always anchor next to the Roebling to
Speaker 5: watch and you know, the fireworks for Red games, or
Speaker 5: to hang out on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon, and
Speaker 5: so yeah, I think of you know what's tough too,
Speaker 5: I think a Tom Greshen. I think a guy that
Speaker 5: we lost like him, Corey Cunningham. We went to UC
Speaker 5: with me, played football for the Giants. We lost him
Speaker 5: last year. And because people were scared to open up
Speaker 5: and they thought that this was the end of the
Speaker 5: world and they were always going to feel these feelings
Speaker 5: so I'm one of the lucky ones man, and it's
Speaker 5: been Yeah, I don't know what would have happened, but
Speaker 5: I don't think I would have been a lot.
Speaker 4: Friend.
Speaker 1: Say, how long were you at the Lender Center and
Speaker 1: how did your journey go from there in Mason to
Speaker 1: Los Angeles with your podcast, explain.
Speaker 5: That, Yeah, I was there for two weeks, and you know,
Speaker 5: care ranges between what your needs are, how you're ruggling.
Speaker 5: I was in the partial hospitalization program, so I basically
Speaker 5: went to the hospital every day like kind of like
Speaker 5: a nine to five job. And because I wasn't, you know,
Speaker 5: maybe in a spot where they thought I could harm
Speaker 5: myself at home, I was able to go home every night.
Speaker 5: But it was the first time really that like I
Speaker 5: got to focus on me. I don't have to worry
Speaker 5: about work. And Channel five was amazing with their support
Speaker 5: my coworkers you mentioned Shari and George, but also the
Speaker 5: people up top that like really let me have that
Speaker 5: time off. And so when I got back to work,
Speaker 5: I realized I didn't have that same passion for mental
Speaker 5: health or for sports supporting anymore. I had this new
Speaker 5: passion for mental health, and I texted my boy Sam
Speaker 5: Hubbard and said, hey, can I try this idea out
Speaker 5: with you? And he ended up becoming the first guest.
Speaker 5: And without Sam, none of this as possible. And man,
Speaker 5: it started. You know how it is, you get some
Speaker 5: nos from people you want to interview, or from agents
Speaker 5: or managers or people behind the scenes that are controlling
Speaker 5: the narratives, and I just kept taking no eventually started
Speaker 5: getting more yeses with people like Ricky Williams or Kate
Speaker 5: Flannery from the office, and it's built where I never
Speaker 5: thought in a million years I'd live in Los Angeles
Speaker 5: and be able to share these stories to some of
Speaker 5: the biggest stars like Terry Crews or Kirk kurb Street
Speaker 5: or whoever you pick. And my goal, man is not
Speaker 5: to get like famous and to not be bigger than Cincinnati.
Speaker 5: Cincinnati made me who I am and I'm going to
Speaker 5: the Reds game, you know, when they were in town
Speaker 5: doing this series this week. It's like, I love Cynthy
Speaker 5: and they support me so much. But the more we
Speaker 5: can grow, the more we can save lives and help people.
Speaker 5: So it's been quite the journey. It's my favorite thing,
Speaker 5: man is I get to go to schools, I go
Speaker 5: to I was just at LaSalle High School, my alma mater,
Speaker 5: last week, sharing my story and it broke my heart
Speaker 5: that we lost someone to suicide Jonah last year. Sarah Lease,
Speaker 5: you're a good friend. It's her cousin and I got to,
Speaker 5: you know, talk with them and their family. And my
Speaker 5: goal is to save lives. The chance that I get
Speaker 5: to now because of a podcast, go to schools, go
Speaker 5: to company, just shoot you know. Joe Burrow's parents helped
Speaker 5: me bring thousand of the people to an arena at
Speaker 5: LSU to talk about mental health. I never thought this
Speaker 5: would be it, but man, it's a special purpose that
Speaker 5: I found through that struggle and a brand.
Speaker 1: I've seen you in arenas with ten thousand people, and
Speaker 1: the good you have done is really unbridled. You could
Speaker 1: not have imagined when you were a line producer here
Speaker 1: with me that you would be in ten years filling
Speaker 1: up arenas at LSU. That would be impossible. In my life,
Speaker 1: I can recall going to Longview State Mental Hospital. My
Speaker 1: father's brother, his name was Bob, and we'd go maybe
Speaker 1: four or five times a year to visit him a
Speaker 1: Longview State Mental Hospital. I believe he was there most
Speaker 1: of his life. They and he never got out of
Speaker 1: the mental hospital. And from that I was scared to
Speaker 1: death of eventually getting into an orphanage because my father
Speaker 1: is alcoholism.
Speaker 4: The fact we had nowhere to go. When I was
Speaker 4: a little boy, my mom hooked me up.
Speaker 1: We hooked up with my mo sister and her name
Speaker 1: was Annette arling House, and I could not imagine what
Speaker 1: would have happened to us in Deer Park, A young
Speaker 1: mother with four kids and the father's an alcoholic. He's gone,
Speaker 1: never came back again except for my beloved aunt and
Speaker 1: at arling House, we all moved in with her. So
Speaker 1: living in one house was their mother, another sister, my mother,
Speaker 1: a Nette. That's four here comes four more kids. And
Speaker 1: I was scared to death. That's something what happened to me,
Speaker 1: that I'd end up in an orphanage or ending up
Speaker 1: in a mental hospital. And so when I got my
Speaker 1: law degree, the first thing I wanted to do was
Speaker 1: work with mental health. So I spent years down in
Speaker 1: the Hamlin the County Probate Court, handling mental health hearings
Speaker 1: to help individuals with mental problems that did not have
Speaker 1: to be institutionalized. Now there's been a metamorphosis with treatments.
Speaker 1: Are you aware of the last how this was dealt with, say,
Speaker 1: thirty to forty years ago, as compared as being dealt
Speaker 1: with today, Are you a word the journey that's been
Speaker 1: made and how far we've come yet how far.
Speaker 3: We have to go?
Speaker 5: Yes, and one, thank you for having that personal vulnerability
Speaker 5: on air right now, but also the work that you've
Speaker 5: done that to help change that stigma, to break it
Speaker 5: not just by words but also by actions. I think
Speaker 5: I have seen it change, you know, I've My mom,
Speaker 5: for instance, was on medication and therapy for fifteen years.
Speaker 5: I didn't learn any of that stuff until I told
Speaker 5: her I was suicidal three years ago because we didn't
Speaker 5: talk about this stuff. My father lost his father in
Speaker 5: his twenties. We didn't talk about any of those emotions
Speaker 5: because he was tossed, never unpack it. So it's completely changed.
Speaker 5: I want to make sure I say this where you
Speaker 5: can have all of the amazing support from your family, friends, therapist,
Speaker 5: anyone that wants to help you. But if that person
Speaker 5: in the mirror doesn't want to make that change, isn't
Speaker 5: willing to ask for help and be vulnerable and shed
Speaker 5: those tears and be emotional, especially as a man. It's
Speaker 5: never going to change. And so I've lost, Like I
Speaker 5: mentioned Corey, I've lost my friend Mike. I can go
Speaker 5: into my phone and show you messages from these guys
Speaker 5: telling me how much they loved what I was doing
Speaker 5: with mental health and how you know they want me
Speaker 5: to check in or they would check in on me.
Speaker 5: I was blindsided by it, man, And so I've got
Speaker 5: two friends to suicide since becoming the mental health guy.
Speaker 5: So if it can happen to me, it can happen
Speaker 5: to anyone. But at the end of the day, that
Speaker 5: person in the mirror has to want to make that change.
Speaker 4: How are you doing now? Is it over?
Speaker 1: Is an ongoing struggle? Have you put it away in
Speaker 1: a safe and locked it and never getting out again?
Speaker 1: Does a monster of mental health still stalk you a
Speaker 1: little bit?
Speaker 5: I would say that my life. I'll tell you this willly.
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 5: I love myself and I'm happy with myself for the
Speaker 5: first time ever in my life over the past year
Speaker 5: and a half. So I don't think I'll ever get
Speaker 5: to that rock bottom again. But mental health isn't a
Speaker 5: fight you in. It's a fight that you battle. So
Speaker 5: there's days that might be tougher than others. But I
Speaker 5: really don't think I'll get back down to that past.
Speaker 5: But that's because I went to therapy. I still go
Speaker 5: to therapy. I learned those things in the hospital in Mason,
Speaker 5: and so yeah, I think I'm happy, Like genuinely, I
Speaker 5: am okay on my own being alone. Do I still
Speaker 5: dream of one day having a wife and kids and
Speaker 5: maybe moving back to Cincinnati and living out that dream
Speaker 5: that I wanted since I was that weird, romanticized fourteen
Speaker 5: year old freshman seeing everyone else dates, you know, our
Speaker 5: high school sweethearts, you know in Cincinnati. Yes, but that's
Speaker 5: not what's making me depressed every second of every day
Speaker 5: because I don't have that partner or I don't have
Speaker 5: that family. That's the big difference for me. I really
Speaker 5: really do feel like I'm in the best place, and
Speaker 5: it's because I'm serving a purpose, you know, I'm you know,
Speaker 5: I grew up, you know, with a dream to be
Speaker 5: a sports supporter. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 5: I want to just tell stories and help people, and
Speaker 5: I feel like I'm doing that the best way I
Speaker 5: know how to.
Speaker 1: You know, I told you off the air, Brandon I'm
Speaker 1: glad you found your life's work. I think what sportscasters
Speaker 1: do is very important. No problem there with Charlie Clifford
Speaker 1: and others, no difficulty get about it. But that's not
Speaker 1: for everyone. And one of the great things in life
Speaker 1: is to have individuals like Brandon Sajo who realized, look,
Speaker 1: of course I'm on, it's not the one for me.
Speaker 1: And I'm so glad you didn't jump off that bridge.
Speaker 1: I'm glad George Vogel was there. I'm glad your mother
Speaker 1: was there. And now for those who want to get involved,
Speaker 1: it's The Mental Game podcast by Brandon Sajo. As like
Speaker 1: in sam Aho, you've been out of the media in
Speaker 1: this town for about five or six years, but you're
Speaker 1: not out of our hearts because we remember at the
Speaker 1: time you were struggling. And I'm so glad you found
Speaker 1: the good place. And Brandon Sajo, You're always welcome here.
Speaker 1: And if you ever come back to this market and
Speaker 1: want to do something publicly, you have my phone number.
Speaker 1: Let's work together, and may God bless you and God
Speaker 1: bless America. Brandon Sajo, thank you for the man that
Speaker 1: you are today.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much. WILLI and just don't worry. Everyone
Speaker 5: can get help. You're not alone.
Speaker 4: Thank you all right, Brandon, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Let's continue with more news coming up at your home
Speaker 1: of the Reds and Bengals, News Radio seven hundred w AT.
Speaker 4: There's still tomorrow. Don't give up, not yet, be hopeful,
Speaker 4: be happy, there's still tomorrow. Don't give up, never give up.
Speaker 3: No no, no, I won't get up. No no, no
Speaker 3: up you you I don't get out no no.
Speaker 5: Oh hello bye, I'm broadcasting.
Speaker 4: Rocky. Was that was Tom Brennan, you know, saying don't
Speaker 4: give up, never give up?
Speaker 6: No no no.
Speaker 4: I put that in because I thought it was.
Speaker 1: Can I Critisancona a little bit? The first game of
Speaker 1: the seventh inning, you got Hayes coming up to bat,
Speaker 1: who doesn't hit it all a third basement, and and
Speaker 1: you got Sal on the bench.
Speaker 4: Just call Sal. He didn't do that. Of course, Hayes
Speaker 4: does nothing.
Speaker 1: And then last night he gets three RBIs and and
Speaker 1: last and and the next inning of the first game,
Speaker 1: that's the position Sal would have been up in with
Speaker 1: the bases loaded. Of course Hayes did nothing, So the
Speaker 1: team lacks offense. And then pitching wise, you left in
Speaker 1: the bullpench Shall we say Abbott at all?
Speaker 4: Who were ready to go? Last night?
Speaker 1: Was for your life three to two bringing Martinez and
Speaker 1: you got hammers ready to go, you then use them?
Speaker 1: Am I right to criticize Tito Francona? I think you
Speaker 1: can certainly make the argument you put Abbott in and
Speaker 1: you go for broke.
Speaker 4: Yeah, go for broke. There's no tomorrow. And didn't do it,
Speaker 4: that's for sure. And now there, now there. But Abbitt's
Speaker 4: ready to go tonight?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 4: What about Ellie? In a big moment once again?
Speaker 1: Collapse and he belongs in right field, center field, left field,
Speaker 1: but he's not What was his stats the last half
Speaker 1: of the year?
Speaker 4: Bad that the Reds were eighty the last half of
Speaker 4: the year a night, but he was on the All
Speaker 4: Star team. Great number. But that's the thing.
Speaker 7: I bet you if you walk down the Fountain Square
Speaker 7: right now and said what kind of years Ellie having,
Speaker 7: I bet everyone's, oh my god, he's having an amazing year.
Speaker 7: There's like the thought and the feeling for whatever reason
Speaker 7: is he's playing amazing brand of baseball and he's not.
Speaker 4: He's an exciting player on the right.
Speaker 1: Second half the year, hit two ten second half the year,
Speaker 1: hit three home runs. Second half of the year, he
Speaker 1: had more errors than home runs. Is that good or bad?
Speaker 4: It's not good?
Speaker 2: So can now.
Speaker 1: Jeff Brantley said it in the post game. I'm listening
Speaker 1: at one fifteen am this morning when Jeff Brandley said
Speaker 1: there's got to be big changes in this ball club.
Speaker 4: Hunter Green gone get him out? You agree, or just
Speaker 4: get him out?
Speaker 7: He's just don't think he's just don't think he's a
Speaker 7: hammer in terms of like on the mound in the
Speaker 7: locker room. No nonsense, no bs, we needed one of
Speaker 7: those presents like that, and that's not Hunter Green or
Speaker 7: is no we.
Speaker 4: Need Greg Vaughan Dave. Who's the enforcer in that locker room?
Speaker 4: Who's the enforcer?
Speaker 7: Who's the guy at every locker room I played in,
Speaker 7: there was a guy that was like, okay, when things
Speaker 7: got a little squirrely, laid it down.
Speaker 4: What was it like when Parkway was in the locker
Speaker 4: room and things are going south? Six foot eight, you're
Speaker 4: gonna ask You're gonna ask you to make him bad.
Speaker 7: Say what happened when you went up to me after
Speaker 7: the game and asked him what happened? Why he went
Speaker 7: for four in the night.
Speaker 4: What what what happened? And asked that question what happened?
Speaker 4: And then he looked down at you hooked down.
Speaker 7: He would he would, he would reach down and pick
Speaker 7: me up by by by just grabbed me by my
Speaker 7: skull and then put me back down again.
Speaker 4: Sorry. I want to ask, what changes do you make
Speaker 4: rocking the Reds? Because I have hope for this ball club.
Speaker 4: I have hope. We need a veteran presence that is
Speaker 4: a con assistant hit.
Speaker 1: Her power Philadelphia. They need power power Middletown, Ohio powered.
Speaker 4: This is a right.
Speaker 7: There's supposed to be a ballpark where you can hit
Speaker 7: a lot of runs. So let's get a guy that
Speaker 7: can hit a lot of home runs.
Speaker 4: How about that idea?
Speaker 7: Is a veteran guy that's you know, has some experience
Speaker 7: and those what it takes set man.
Speaker 1: We need a hairy as man. Pete Alonzo, Well, he's
Speaker 1: he's available? So Orburg is he available?
Speaker 7: I don't know yet, we don't know. I think he'll
Speaker 7: be available. I mean, is he gonna stick with if
Speaker 7: Philly's win it all? You think he's gonna come here? Yes,
Speaker 7: he wants to come here, doesn't he? I guess he
Speaker 7: wants to.
Speaker 4: If he comes here, he will remodel third base, left
Speaker 4: field by himself. How many home runs?
Speaker 1: We didn't have one guy hit twenty three home runs
Speaker 1: or more this year in a bandbox. Nope, And he
Speaker 1: didn't steal bases.
Speaker 7: Remember last year, I know we talked about this yesterday
Speaker 7: that that was the thing that I can't understand from
Speaker 7: last year to this year.
Speaker 4: Why why not ceiling?
Speaker 7: How do you go first, second, third, Because if you
Speaker 7: if you're not manufacturing power, you got to find a
Speaker 7: way to get you know, scoring position to turn a
Speaker 7: single into a double.
Speaker 1: Eighty five RBIs or more. No one hit them. So
Speaker 1: we had a team without pitching, without power. We didn't
Speaker 1: steal bases. How did they get to the playoffs?
Speaker 5: Say?
Speaker 4: How did they get there? They lost? They got the
Speaker 4: Mets lost, Yeah, the Mets.
Speaker 1: One thing I'm going to remember about this year is
Speaker 1: the locker room celebration in Milwaukee.
Speaker 4: I'll remember that over everything.
Speaker 7: I've taken a lot of flak because I was against that.
Speaker 7: I didn't think it was a great look. I understand,
Speaker 7: you win your first playoff series since ninety five. Okay, champagne,
Speaker 7: let's pop some bottles, But you kind of eke your
Speaker 7: way in. I think you get the.
Speaker 4: Shirts, you high five, you celebrate a little bit, but
Speaker 4: it was a little much.
Speaker 1: It ended the season much, and the reds Now lost
Speaker 1: eight playoff games in a row going back to twenty twelve.
Speaker 1: They lost, you know, the last three twenty thirteen to
Speaker 1: one twenty. They have the longest history of no playoff
Speaker 1: winning of any team in baseball.
Speaker 7: Correct, since nineteen ninety five winning a playoff series. I
Speaker 7: was fifteen, fifteen just started as scenes over your high school.
Speaker 3: You were.
Speaker 4: How old were you? You were fifteen? You've spent your
Speaker 4: fun knife waiting for next year? Right, little Rock may
Speaker 4: spend his life waiting for next year, haven't we all?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, nineteen ninety five was glory? Would you agree? Los
Speaker 1: Angeles Dianomo sweep the Dodgers.
Speaker 4: I say, put the cowboy in that locker row at
Speaker 4: going Nuts and Chavez Ravine.
Speaker 1: You thought the celebration Sunday night was overblown? You're catching
Speaker 1: flight for that rock up, stand up, stand up.
Speaker 4: I didn't love it. I didn't love it.
Speaker 7: I love it.
Speaker 1: Well, they'd accomplished something. They actually Okay, we've won the
Speaker 1: whole thing, right, No, we got to India. You gotta
Speaker 1: play in forty eight hours and they they got hammered twice.
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Speaker 4: They're conditioning dealers. Tame star quality.
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Speaker 4: Let's see Bengals update. Well, he brought to you by
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Speaker 4: Bengals are on the field this afternoon, getting ready for
Speaker 4: those Lions Sunday in a four to twenty five kickoff.
Speaker 4: Break it down, pay Course Stadium, Downtown break He's going
Speaker 4: to break it down tonight tonight and Richwood Richwood, Richwood,
Speaker 4: Lance and I I'll preview the show. Lance and I
Speaker 4: are going to delve into what what is the core issue?
Speaker 4: What is the issue? What is the issue?
Speaker 7: Is it is the lack of preparation? Is it the
Speaker 7: lack of game plan? Is it the lack of run game?
Speaker 7: Is it the lack of leadership presence?
Speaker 4: Yeah, break it down? What about hammertal Itch? Could that
Speaker 4: be a problem. Add that to the list. Just you
Speaker 4: gotta break it down town.
Speaker 7: I want to know it's we got wait till six
Speaker 7: o'clock's gonna break it down. And Richwood on the Cincinnati
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Speaker 7: the Round Table Show presented by Postman Long Live from
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Speaker 1: You'll be there you And I'm listening to Lance this
Speaker 1: morning at a I was listening. There was a three
Speaker 1: minute break with nothing. We were off the air, which
Speaker 1: is quite often at three three minutes of nothingness. Then
Speaker 1: all in mid sentence, Lance comes on. I said, this
Speaker 1: is good. I listened to Lance. Did you listen at
Speaker 1: one fifteen hours?
Speaker 4: I did not.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 4: Second night, but listening to get McAllister at one fifteen
Speaker 4: this morning. Did he get calls? Yes? And one from
Speaker 4: Independence had another call from Cole Rain. You should have
Speaker 4: called in. I should have called in called I get
Speaker 4: my perspective on what happened? What did happen? How about
Speaker 4: Monday night, Tuesday night, Wednesday? Cincinnati dominates the national airwaves.
Speaker 4: We send our best out there.
Speaker 7: I hope the bank wass can at least play well.
Speaker 7: It's a ten and a half point spread and all
Speaker 7: the all the money's taking the taking the line.
Speaker 4: Still can the lion beat a tiger? That's what I
Speaker 4: don't know. I think tigers are bigger than lions. I'm
Speaker 4: not sure. Maybe they can turn it around, turn it around,
Speaker 4: I hope. I'm hoping.
Speaker 1: Then after this, go to Green Bay and take the
Speaker 1: Packers down right, yeah, and come backers star.
Speaker 4: That's gonna Wouldn't that be something? That'd be something? Sure
Speaker 4: would be something.
Speaker 1: How many times have the Bengals with Joe Burrow been
Speaker 1: a double digit dog at home?
Speaker 7: None?
Speaker 4: I can't remember. Rock, You and last have a lot
Speaker 4: of work to do. We will break it all down
Speaker 4: from here. This morning it was he at home? Where
Speaker 4: was he? Believe he was here here? Get one of
Speaker 4: those comrexes. Do him from your house?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 7: And I think you wanted to come in and wanted
Speaker 7: talking to the American people. As expressed, I.
Speaker 4: Was listening, I gonna go to sleep till two or three.
Speaker 4: I was listening. How do you not go to sleep
Speaker 4: till two or three? I don't know. My mind is this.
Speaker 4: I need some CBD, I need some I need some gummies.
Speaker 1: I need something because I I go up about one
Speaker 1: one fifteen, but I can't sleep till three or four.
Speaker 1: My mind's too active. Stuff's going on, Things are happening
Speaker 1: in there all the time. Y'all to join me in
Speaker 1: my mind, Like at two o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 7: My mind's whipping around too. I go to sleep pretty early,
Speaker 7: but then I'm up early, so I'm waking up at
Speaker 7: that time.
Speaker 4: You didn't hear Lance at one fifteen? Am you crazy?
Speaker 4: I'm sleeping? It was Jeth throw from indiapad. I heard
Speaker 4: from Lance enough. I bet you have, But today we
Speaker 4: get more of Lance six to nine? Correct, right with?
Speaker 4: So you're on from Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana.
Speaker 7: We clipped Tennessee on the on the last stretch the
Speaker 7: red foot Yah back to outside of Nashville, back to Atlanta.
Speaker 4: I should just I should just be an airport hotel.
Speaker 3: Save me.
Speaker 7: It's probably about you, knows right.
Speaker 1: Kentucky, Indiana back to home and from there Indiana back
Speaker 1: to CBG, and from CBG to Atlanta, from Atlanta to
Speaker 1: memph now from Memphis back to Atlanta, Atlanta back to ZBG,
Speaker 1: then back to back to home.
Speaker 4: That's my travel this weekend. So your reaction give me
Speaker 4: some more signed up for the big that's it, you know,
Speaker 4: give me some more sports going on. That's like my
Speaker 4: New York days right now.
Speaker 1: I'd at three oh six, I leave here, drive quickly
Speaker 1: four to ten to Legordy.
Speaker 4: You get there just in time. I go through TSA
Speaker 4: four ten, get in Land about five thirty quarteral six
Speaker 4: my car unlucky lucky day.
Speaker 1: Trevors pick me up. I go to the hotel. I
Speaker 1: get there about six pm Thursday night. I'm sitting there
Speaker 1: with three books about an inch thick of the three
Speaker 1: days next shows.
Speaker 7: These are the three shows and you booked how many shows?
Speaker 7: At one, three, three and one day?
Speaker 4: So I get up at an am, right, I got
Speaker 4: to make up by eight thirty, walk to the hotel,
Speaker 4: got out of nine four. Wait when was the Spraystanning?
Speaker 4: When the lady came by for four and she said
Speaker 4: take your clothes off, And I'm going, okay, don't leave
Speaker 4: that out. And then I have a pre production meeting.
Speaker 1: Then I go and far up the audience, talk to
Speaker 1: them about the show coming up, sit there, do the
Speaker 1: show for Aaron Tennis. Come off set, go into my
Speaker 1: studio and do three hours of talk radio until three o'clock,
Speaker 1: eat lunch during the breaks, then at three point thirty
Speaker 1: bring in the second show audience loaded. I go back,
Speaker 1: talk to production that I've re memborized all the stuff
Speaker 1: for the looks I gotta do. And then I go
Speaker 1: do that show until four thirty, quarter to five, come out,
Speaker 1: try to eat dinner. Then I go back and do
Speaker 1: a six PM show until seven seven thirty pm. Come
Speaker 1: back out, do three to post production? What one right,
Speaker 1: went one wrong?
Speaker 5: You did this?
Speaker 1: Then do that, et cetera. Think it up The next
Speaker 1: day at by nine pm, I got the three shows
Speaker 1: given to me. The next night, I have to memorize
Speaker 1: everything in the next show for a three live TV
Speaker 1: shows on Friday.
Speaker 4: Go to repeat that thing on Friday.
Speaker 1: Then get in the car, go back to the Logordia,
Speaker 1: take out ten o'clock, lend either Hope, Columbus, Cincinnati or
Speaker 1: Dayton Land somewhere Penny.
Speaker 4: Would pick me up, and I go back home. Now
Speaker 4: would you do that?
Speaker 7: See you wanted the glass. I have a very similar schedule.
Speaker 7: That's why you have a hoy pond and a double
Speaker 7: wide in Florida. Good point, you know, a sacrifice.
Speaker 4: And I was set at the end I wore me out.
Speaker 4: Just hear it all that again.
Speaker 1: Sean comp just said to me, look, we'll give you
Speaker 1: a one year contract for three million dollars.
Speaker 4: And I said, I can't keep doing it. I can't
Speaker 4: do when your other contract ended. Yeah, I can't do it.
Speaker 4: I said, I can't do two hundred and ten radio
Speaker 4: shows a year and two hundred and forty TV shows
Speaker 4: a year. It's killing me. What about three years and ten?
Speaker 4: How many years you did? Five years? Okay?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 4: For three?
Speaker 3: For ten?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 4: What do you say? Can't can't afford it? I said,
Speaker 4: thank you good, because I didn't want it anyway. Radio
Speaker 4: a mile from here are right there.
Speaker 7: I would have loved this look on your face and
Speaker 7: he said, all right, we'll do it. You were like god,
Speaker 7: staring on the barrel of three years. Then I would
Speaker 7: have said ten million bucks. I would have said goodbye
Speaker 7: to radio, and you wouldn't be here talking to me
Speaker 7: in segr I'd rather be here with you guys and
Speaker 7: dealing with like TSHA and the third Who's Your Daddy?
Speaker 4: Show? You know I can't do it right if it
Speaker 4: was right here, yes, but you gotta get say that.
Speaker 4: The shows were very similar like the themes were very similar,
Speaker 4: so it wasn't like you were all over the place.
Speaker 4: It was morey like Jerry like, I'm glad. I'm glad.
Speaker 4: If he would have said yes, I wouldn't be here.
Speaker 4: Maybe for the better. I'm not sure. What's on the
Speaker 4: big show this afternoon? See what do you got, Bratherigate.
Speaker 7: We have a Jeff Carr from Locked on Red's Great
Speaker 7: To Podcast about when I asked about Hunter Green asking.
Speaker 4: About the future, who the resid need to keep? Let go?
Speaker 7: Now that's a good write this down, write that down, okay.
Speaker 7: And then at four o'clock we got our fitness guy PJ.
Speaker 7: Street going to talk about affordable options for eating healthy.
Speaker 7: It's kind of the conundrum is a lot of the
Speaker 7: healthy stuff to eat healthy, it's either very time consuming
Speaker 7: or very expensive.
Speaker 4: But he's gonna give us some tips on some Yeah,
Speaker 4: I just had some rons, Ruy, can I have some rons? Rus?
Speaker 7: Meant to ask you as much as you want, right,
Speaker 7: you grab a piece. And then then we're talking with
Speaker 7: Jason Hoffman at five o'clock. And then about five forty seven,
Speaker 7: the helicopter takes.
Speaker 4: Me to Richwood. So that's it. Say give me out
Speaker 4: of the Stew's report. Please, well, they under of the
Speaker 4: Red Legs twenty twenty five season, and we got to
Speaker 4: look forward to the Bengals.
Speaker 1: We leave, and what about FC break it down? If
Speaker 1: they sit here three and oh the next three weeks,
Speaker 1: you guys will be snickering. We leave you with the
Speaker 1: immortal words of the Stee Report.
Speaker 6: This team is simply not ready to be primetime players.
Speaker 6: They failed too many times in crutch time. When a
Speaker 6: basit here, a basit there will turn the whole game around,
Speaker 6: and for the most part this season it has been
Speaker 6: a season long worth of disappointment in that area.
Speaker 4: What the period right there, Marty, that's it.
Speaker 1: Ask your expert at three o'clock on that one seven
Speaker 1: hundred WLW