WEBVTT - 10-21-25 Sloan with Ken Kober

0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:04.560
<v Speaker 1>All right, catching up here Scottslow on seven hundred WLW Live.

0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:07.880
<v Speaker 1>You heard the voice of Stephen m Attorney from the

0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:12.520
<v Speaker 1>Finny Law Firm for Terry Thiji. She's on paid administrative

0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:16.440
<v Speaker 1>leave as chief from the City of Cincinnati, standing behind

0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:19.080
<v Speaker 1>in the civilian clothes, not speaking obviously, let the lawyer

0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:21.959
<v Speaker 1>do the talking, for she's always smart. We've heard that

0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:25.119
<v Speaker 1>Terry Thiji, a cops cop here, a long family cops

0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:27.200
<v Speaker 1>and law enforcement in Cincinnati from the West Side, was

0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:30.800
<v Speaker 1>asked to resign. She refused because there's no cause. And

0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:33.960
<v Speaker 1>on her thirty fifth anniversary of her start on the

0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:36.400
<v Speaker 1>job as a police office, she finds out that she's

0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:39.760
<v Speaker 1>being put on paid administrative leave, meaning we're looking for reasons. Now,

0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:42.000
<v Speaker 1>we don't have reason to fire you, we're looking for reasons,

0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:44.319
<v Speaker 1>and we're going to put you on unpaid administrative leave.

0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:46.760
<v Speaker 1>So what we got right now is a good old standoff.

0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:49.920
<v Speaker 1>If she stays, she gets the authority to do her job.

0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:52.760
<v Speaker 1>If she goes, it's going to cost you and missus

0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:55.760
<v Speaker 1>tax payer millions and millions of dollars that you can

0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:58.360
<v Speaker 1>all afford. And it doesn't really solve the issue on this.

0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:01.920
<v Speaker 1>With some instant reaction is the president of the Queen

0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:04.360
<v Speaker 1>City Lodge of the FFP, that's Ken Kober, can appreciate

0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:05.320
<v Speaker 1>you jumping in this morning.

0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:07.360
<v Speaker 2>Sure, thanks you to me. Step.

0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:09.520
<v Speaker 1>Looks like the no confidence vote you had for this

0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:14.080
<v Speaker 1>administration really really stands up at this point, doesn't it.

0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:15.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:18.280
<v Speaker 3>I mean they've fumbled this from the get go. You

0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:20.440
<v Speaker 3>have the chief fly across the country, only the land

0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:23.280
<v Speaker 3>in Denver. You to go to a conference representing the

0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:25.480
<v Speaker 3>city in the police department only to tell her to

0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:28.200
<v Speaker 3>come home. And then I mean what we've seen over

0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:31.120
<v Speaker 3>the last five days is just absolutely they fumbled this

0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:31.600
<v Speaker 3>whole thing.

0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:32.280
<v Speaker 2>It's terrible.

0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:37.120
<v Speaker 1>Well, in addition to that, the person they appointed chief, Henny,

0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:41.200
<v Speaker 1>is the interim chief now and according to sheerlong city manager,

0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:43.880
<v Speaker 1>she said, he has my full support. I'm confident in

0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:46.240
<v Speaker 1>his leadership. I don't know if he's doing the next chief,

0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:48.600
<v Speaker 1>but this is the command officer who signed a citation

0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:51.800
<v Speaker 1>against the white guy in the brawl in July at

0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:54.920
<v Speaker 1>the urging of the mayor, which is purely political, not criminal.

0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:58.360
<v Speaker 1>Even though Henny wasn't on the scene. He ran the

0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:01.480
<v Speaker 1>Central Business district and that had the high spike in

0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:03.360
<v Speaker 1>crime this year. The optics of that are bad for

0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:05.240
<v Speaker 1>the it gets. It goes from bad to worse for

0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:05.760
<v Speaker 1>these guys.

0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:09.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'll tell you the optics are certainly not good.

0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:12.480
<v Speaker 3>But I will say this about Colonel Henny is you

0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:16.200
<v Speaker 3>know that whole debacle, he was doing nothing but protecting

0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:19.520
<v Speaker 3>investigators from having to do what they just said I'm

0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:21.720
<v Speaker 3>not going to do. And instead of them facing the

0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:24.880
<v Speaker 3>consequences for standing up to it, you know, he stepped

0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:26.640
<v Speaker 3>in and he protected cops, which is something that we

0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:27.560
<v Speaker 3>certainly all appreciate it.

0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:29.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree with that from a cops perspective, like

0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:31.000
<v Speaker 1>he got our backs. I'm not going to let the

0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:33.440
<v Speaker 1>rank and file take the take the fall on this.

0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:36.080
<v Speaker 1>But again I don't I don't know what the ethicy.

0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:38.480
<v Speaker 1>I think that's pretty unethical though, is that you're told

0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:40.720
<v Speaker 1>by the mayor to do something. It's like, that's not

0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:42.760
<v Speaker 1>how our justice system works. As much as these people

0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:45.520
<v Speaker 1>spend complaining about Donald Trump, you just did the exact

0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:48.480
<v Speaker 1>same thing that you're allegedly against. But I digress a

0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:51.440
<v Speaker 1>little bit. And the other thing too is if she

0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:53.760
<v Speaker 1>were effective as chief, why wouldn't we have so much

0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:55.959
<v Speaker 1>violent crime? I think that's the big question here is like, well,

0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:58.480
<v Speaker 1>violent crime has continue to go up. The optics are

0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:00.359
<v Speaker 1>bad on this. We have Fountain Square, we had the

0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:02.079
<v Speaker 1>shooting in front of the in between. It just keeps

0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:05.200
<v Speaker 1>coming and coming and coming despite what we do. And

0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:07.160
<v Speaker 1>yet it wasn't all long ago. He said, hey, you know,

0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:09.200
<v Speaker 1>things are effective. She's doing a good job. I mean,

0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:12.080
<v Speaker 1>if you're effective at something, we should have less violent crime,

0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:12.480
<v Speaker 1>not more.

0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:15.480
<v Speaker 3>Well, this just proves what we know all along, and

0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:17.480
<v Speaker 3>it proves what I've been saying all along, which is

0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:19.520
<v Speaker 3>we need to keep politics out of policing.

0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:22.480
<v Speaker 2>And when you have the city manager.

0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:24.960
<v Speaker 3>The mayor who over over at city Hall, is telling

0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:27.560
<v Speaker 3>her what she can and can't do, it's proving that

0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:32.240
<v Speaker 3>that's failing. You know, Chief Thiji has the ability to

0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:35.040
<v Speaker 3>be an effective police chief. Unfortunately she's not given that

0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:37.320
<v Speaker 3>ability right now, and when she's told what to do

0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:39.960
<v Speaker 3>by city Hall, she's told what she can can't do.

0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:42.040
<v Speaker 3>The end result is that this is what we have.

0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:44.920
<v Speaker 3>And this is ultimately why you know, the rank and

0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:47.640
<v Speaker 3>file voted for voting no confidence against the mayor, because

0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:50.480
<v Speaker 3>they should allow the chief independently to do what she

0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:52.760
<v Speaker 3>wants to do. And if she was screwing it up them,

0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:53.960
<v Speaker 3>then by all means.

0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:54.480
<v Speaker 2>Do something about it.

0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:56.440
<v Speaker 3>But the fact that they didn't fire their asking her

0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:58.160
<v Speaker 3>to resign says everything you need to know.

0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:00.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and this isn't her egg that this is about

0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:02.840
<v Speaker 1>keeping yours with Steve im said, So she has no

0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:06.320
<v Speaker 1>desire to go quietly. Actually she's going to go rather violently,

0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:07.680
<v Speaker 1>and it's going to cost a lot of money to

0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:10.760
<v Speaker 1>make her go away. I'm just wondering would the city

0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:13.200
<v Speaker 1>give up authority because this is issue five. So let's talk

0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:15.760
<v Speaker 1>about that the background, and that it came after Timothy

0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:17.720
<v Speaker 1>Thomas was shot and killed in two thousand and one,

0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:20.559
<v Speaker 1>caused the riots. We had a charter amendment the issue

0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:22.880
<v Speaker 1>that passed I believe in November that year with just

0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:25.080
<v Speaker 1>over fifty percent of the vote I think fifty fifty

0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:28.679
<v Speaker 1>one fifty two percent. But essentially Issue five, you've mentioned

0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:30.800
<v Speaker 1>that a lot ken is that the city manager in

0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:33.160
<v Speaker 1>this case here along has the power to hire and

0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:36.000
<v Speaker 1>fire a police chief, fire chief, department heads at whim

0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:39.640
<v Speaker 1>at will, and there's no balance in that whatsoever. In

0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:41.440
<v Speaker 1>the past, it used to be the FOP you guys

0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:42.880
<v Speaker 1>had a little bit of a say in that you

0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:43.920
<v Speaker 1>don't have that anymore.

0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:44.920
<v Speaker 2>Is that what lead to this?

0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:49.440
<v Speaker 3>Well, sure, you know, and ultimately with that passing allowing

0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.240
<v Speaker 3>one person to have sole authority as to whether you

0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:56.240
<v Speaker 3>fire a police chief or a fire chief. It's been

0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:58.880
<v Speaker 3>proven with the fire chief. It's now been proven with

0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:01.800
<v Speaker 3>what's going on with chief that this is a terrible idea.

0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:05.920
<v Speaker 3>There has to be changes to Issue five otherwise we're

0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:07.400
<v Speaker 3>going to continue to see the same thing.

0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:09.159
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't matter who you make the police chief.

0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:12.720
<v Speaker 3>As long as city Hall still is making the decisions

0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:14.680
<v Speaker 3>as to what's going to go on with the police department,

0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:15.360
<v Speaker 3>this is what.

0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:15.800
<v Speaker 2>We're going to have.

0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:18.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's Ken Cobert, president of the FOP. The reaction

0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:21.400
<v Speaker 1>to Attorney Steve Imms press conference he heard live on

0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:24.040
<v Speaker 1>seven hundred WLIW and on the stream via the iHeart

0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:26.800
<v Speaker 1>radio app too, and that is saying we're fighting this,

0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:29.440
<v Speaker 1>so we're not going to let Terry Thiji take essentially

0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:31.599
<v Speaker 1>be a sacrificial lamb is what he called her, and

0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:34.680
<v Speaker 1>said this stile thing is disappointing and there's no justification

0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:37.760
<v Speaker 1>or cause, which is a legal term, no cause because

0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:40.120
<v Speaker 1>she took no action or inaction on her part to

0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:42.200
<v Speaker 1>cause her termination or it looks like at least her

0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:45.279
<v Speaker 1>suspension no wrongdoing, and they're going to fight this thing

0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:48.279
<v Speaker 1>tooth and nail and we'll see what happens. But relative

0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:50.719
<v Speaker 1>to Issue five in this case, I had some notes

0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:52.680
<v Speaker 1>here from back in the day in two thousand and one,

0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:56.000
<v Speaker 1>the manager for Issue five that we're talking about here said,

0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:59.000
<v Speaker 1>this is how other cities do it. And of course,

0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:00.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, if other cities do it well, then it's

0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:03.839
<v Speaker 1>got to be successful for Cincinnati. At the time, your predecessor,

0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:08.159
<v Speaker 1>Keith Fangman, remember Keith Keith was the fop P president,

0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:10.640
<v Speaker 1>and said, what's going to happen is it's going to

0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:13.720
<v Speaker 1>politicize departments. What's going to happen is you're going to

0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:18.160
<v Speaker 1>have politicians making decisions of law enforcement. And anytime that

0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:21.000
<v Speaker 1>something happens it's bad. The chief is going to be

0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:23.840
<v Speaker 1>a sacrificial and we'll have a revolving door. And in

0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:26.760
<v Speaker 1>that case he illustrated the Cleveland when they implemented this,

0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:29.680
<v Speaker 1>they went through nine police chiefs, I believe in less

0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.919
<v Speaker 1>than eight years because of the system. And now Terry

0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:36.040
<v Speaker 1>Thiji's gone after what three not quite three, We had

0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:37.880
<v Speaker 1>a chief before them. It's just going to be a

0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:41.240
<v Speaker 1>revolving door because the political will power exists and there's

0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:44.719
<v Speaker 1>cover politically speaking, to terminate the chief when in fact

0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:47.280
<v Speaker 1>it's not the chief. It's kind of like our foot

0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:50.520
<v Speaker 1>our sports teams can it's it's never the coach, the

0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:52.960
<v Speaker 1>assistant coach, the line cut, it's always the ownership in

0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:53.719
<v Speaker 1>the front office.

0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:54.840
<v Speaker 2>That's what he's saying.

0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:57.880
<v Speaker 3>Without a doubt. I mean, Keith, he was spot on

0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:00.360
<v Speaker 3>when he said it. That was twenty four years ago.

0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:02.960
<v Speaker 3>We saw it with James Craig. He was the first

0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:05.359
<v Speaker 3>chief to hired outside this police department. The rank and

0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:08.360
<v Speaker 3>file loved him. He refused to cave the pressure from

0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:10.760
<v Speaker 3>city Hall and after two years they went thanks, but no,

0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:13.160
<v Speaker 3>thanks for gone. You know, we got another chief that

0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:16.240
<v Speaker 3>came in, made it eighteen months they fired him. So

0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:18.400
<v Speaker 3>this is no surprise that this is all coming to

0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:20.360
<v Speaker 3>fruition and it needs a change.

0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:23.920
<v Speaker 1>Can this change before you overturn issue Fiation five, I'd

0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:26.240
<v Speaker 1>have to go back on the ballot. You'd have to

0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:28.480
<v Speaker 1>figure out how to work around that. Because there was

0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:30.840
<v Speaker 1>a charter amendment that passed in two thousand and one,

0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:32.680
<v Speaker 1>a lot of work to overdo that and the will

0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:35.400
<v Speaker 1>of the voters, of course, but can Chief thee Is

0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:37.520
<v Speaker 1>there room for her to come back and do her job?

0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:40.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't know why she'd want to at this point,

0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:42.680
<v Speaker 3>the way that she's been treated. I mean, you treat

0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:45.320
<v Speaker 3>somebody as thirty five years you've given to the city,

0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:47.120
<v Speaker 3>and this is how you're being treated. And I can

0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:48.680
<v Speaker 3>tell you right now the cops are going if they're

0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:49.920
<v Speaker 3>going to do this to the chief, what will they

0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:52.840
<v Speaker 3>do to me? I don't know why you would want

0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:55.880
<v Speaker 3>to come back. I just don't see a scenario where

0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:59.600
<v Speaker 3>that happens, because then she's going to be constantly looking.

0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:00.640
<v Speaker 2>At her so old or what are they going to

0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:03.360
<v Speaker 2>do to me next? I feel for and like.

0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:05.560
<v Speaker 3>I said, this is this fight with the FOP in

0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:08.520
<v Speaker 3>the city is just as much about Chief Figi as

0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:10.840
<v Speaker 3>it is for the next chief, for the chief after that,

0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:13.240
<v Speaker 3>the chief fifty years from now. There has got to

0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:14.960
<v Speaker 3>be change made. And if I have to put all

0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:17.600
<v Speaker 3>the effort in the world to the FOP to make

0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:20.080
<v Speaker 3>sure that Issue five is changed, and that's exactly what

0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:20.600
<v Speaker 3>we're going to do.

0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:24.239
<v Speaker 1>Ken Kober, the name that was mentioned the cause Steve

0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:27.880
<v Speaker 1>m to just simply pause consider it and then say,

0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:30.360
<v Speaker 1>I can't comment on that was the name Iris Rawley,

0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:34.000
<v Speaker 1>how much? How many fingerprints are on this? Her fingerprints

0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:35.120
<v Speaker 1>are on what's happening right now.

0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:39.160
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's hard saying it wouldn't surprise me. But

0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:41.560
<v Speaker 3>the problem is there was no transparency at city hall.

0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:44.240
<v Speaker 3>That is the absolute problem. You had the mayor say

0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:48.040
<v Speaker 3>after the press conference that we're exploring all options. We're

0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:49.720
<v Speaker 3>not sure if that's the chief's going to stay or not.

0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:52.439
<v Speaker 3>And then all of a sudden, you know, nothing happens.

0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:54.200
<v Speaker 3>And then the mayor comes out and says, oh, this

0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:57.080
<v Speaker 3>is show a Long's decision. It's not my decision, it's hers.

0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:59.000
<v Speaker 3>And of course then she makes the decision. Oh, I

0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:02.080
<v Speaker 3>completely support her to say, it's just the lack of

0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:04.959
<v Speaker 3>transparency is staggering coming from city Hall.

0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:06.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, the fact of the matter, she goes to Denver,

0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:10.360
<v Speaker 1>she gets recalled, there's an urgent message, there's an urgent

0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:12.560
<v Speaker 1>issue in Cincinnati. We already had the Fountain Square shootings

0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:15.280
<v Speaker 1>at this point. She's off to Denver. She comes back

0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:17.200
<v Speaker 1>and now they go, well, we're going to suspend, you'll

0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:19.920
<v Speaker 1>put you on paid leave. Why, well, we can't say

0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:22.320
<v Speaker 1>we don't know, but here's the interim chief, and this

0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:25.400
<v Speaker 1>whole thing has been handled so poorly. In drag, Effer said,

0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:27.960
<v Speaker 1>but it's decision after decision like this, you know, like

0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:31.720
<v Speaker 1>when we after food carts and red bikes, in breaking

0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:34.600
<v Speaker 1>up the probation departments, all these things that actually made

0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:37.160
<v Speaker 1>crime worse or had no impact on whatsoever. And now,

0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:40.200
<v Speaker 1>ultimately the last thing they have, the last quiver in

0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:43.880
<v Speaker 1>their arsenal, is firing the chief. And I'll point out

0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:45.439
<v Speaker 1>ken I read this earlier in the show, and I

0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:47.959
<v Speaker 1>think it's worth pointing out again that when she was

0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:51.240
<v Speaker 1>hired in twenty twenty two to replace Elliot Isaac, she

0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:54.040
<v Speaker 1>was an executive assistant chief first woman to lead the department,

0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:58.000
<v Speaker 1>and she said in her first interview or her swearing

0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:01.920
<v Speaker 1>in her priorities upon taking office, We're dedicated to cheering

0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:06.319
<v Speaker 1>CPD is as inclusive as possible, and I'm committed wholeheartedly

0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:10.040
<v Speaker 1>to continuing the work of the collaborative Agreement. That sounds

0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:12.800
<v Speaker 1>like someone who's saying that because she know how she

0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:14.720
<v Speaker 1>got the job, Like those are the marching orders she

0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:18.080
<v Speaker 1>was given by the administration as opposed to well, dealing

0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:20.800
<v Speaker 1>with street level crime yeah.

0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:24.240
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely. You know, it's funny how this is all transpiring. Now,

0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:26.640
<v Speaker 3>It's like making an arrest and then deciding what the

0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:32.040
<v Speaker 3>crime is. I mean, that's literally, that's how ridiculous this is.

0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:34.360
<v Speaker 3>We're gonna put you on leave until we can figure

0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:36.880
<v Speaker 3>out why it is that we're actually going to fire you,

0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:37.920
<v Speaker 3>and then we're going to do it.

0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:39.040
<v Speaker 2>It's it's absolutely nonsense.

0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:42.840
<v Speaker 3>And the rank and file recognizes that, you're regardless of

0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:45.800
<v Speaker 3>how they feel about her as the chief, how they

0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:48.400
<v Speaker 3>feel about her as a police officer, none of that matters.

0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:50.000
<v Speaker 3>The rank and files. Well, and this is at right

0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:52.679
<v Speaker 3>to treat somebody this way. And that's why I said

0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:54.800
<v Speaker 3>that the police department, the rank and file has certainly

0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:56.360
<v Speaker 3>been united over this.

0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:59.839
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's a terrible thing. And that normally, if you're

0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:02.200
<v Speaker 1>looking to get rid of somebody, and I've worked for

0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:04.599
<v Speaker 1>places and work for places where they're always looking to

0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:07.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, cut, cut some baggage, lose, they build a file.

0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:10.320
<v Speaker 1>They go, okay, well this person is doing this. Okay,

0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:12.440
<v Speaker 1>we've got a file. We've got to and you build

0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:15.120
<v Speaker 1>a history so that if you have to terminate someone,

0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:17.520
<v Speaker 1>you can point to that and go it's not discrimination.

0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:20.520
<v Speaker 1>It's for cause. Here's the causes. They don't have that here.

0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:24.440
<v Speaker 1>They suspended her paid administrative leave, and now they're looking

0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:26.360
<v Speaker 1>for reasons to go back and say, here's why we

0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:29.560
<v Speaker 1>put you on leave. And this could go on for

0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:31.360
<v Speaker 1>weeks and weeks and weeks to try and funds find

0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:33.320
<v Speaker 1>some dirt on Terry Thiji that may or may not

0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:36.000
<v Speaker 1>probably doesn't exist because you would have had this stuff

0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:40.240
<v Speaker 1>already right exactly. And I guess it does have a

0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:43.360
<v Speaker 1>chilling effect in police officers. But you know, we also

0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:45.640
<v Speaker 1>mentioned that the city just went in their pocket for money,

0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:47.840
<v Speaker 1>even more money, another four and a half million dollars

0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:51.720
<v Speaker 1>to pay police office, try and recruit police office because

0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:53.440
<v Speaker 1>as you know, and you often said, were what one

0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:55.680
<v Speaker 1>hundred and thirty tow one hundred and fifty cops down?

0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:57.959
<v Speaker 1>Which is also part of the problem too, because we

0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:00.840
<v Speaker 1>spent money out of the other stupid things getting keeping

0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:01.640
<v Speaker 1>boots on the ground.

0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:03.480
<v Speaker 2>But what does that due to recruitment efforts?

0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:05.960
<v Speaker 1>And Simon sees this from I don't know, we're talking

0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:09.040
<v Speaker 1>about lateral recruitments, meaning you're stealing cops from other jurisdictions.

0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:11.559
<v Speaker 1>Go come to shiny sunny Cincinnati and work here.

0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:12.040
<v Speaker 2>It's great.

0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:15.720
<v Speaker 1>How does that undermine the cause that you're trying to do,

0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:18.120
<v Speaker 1>and that is getting more cops signed up, not less.

0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:20.960
<v Speaker 1>This to me sounds like it make cops want to leave,

0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:21.439
<v Speaker 1>not to stay.

0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:23.760
<v Speaker 2>Without a doubt, I mean it is.

0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:26.800
<v Speaker 3>It is certainly going to have a devastating effect on

0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:30.320
<v Speaker 3>retention because we're going to see even more people say

0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:32.360
<v Speaker 3>as they get twenty five years on that leave and

0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:36.079
<v Speaker 3>then anybody that actually pays to pays attention to the media, Uh,

0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:38.040
<v Speaker 3>they're not gonna want to come here. So it's gonna

0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:42.040
<v Speaker 3>it's gonna also affect recruiting. And it's just every time

0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:44.680
<v Speaker 3>we finally get out of the news over the you know,

0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:48.320
<v Speaker 3>the attack at Fourth and Elm and how that was handled,

0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:50.000
<v Speaker 3>and we finally get passed out and then now we

0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:53.600
<v Speaker 3>have this, and it's just unfortunately City Hall seems to

0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:54.960
<v Speaker 3>not be able to get out of their way when

0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:58.079
<v Speaker 3>it comes to, uh, dealing with these issues. And it's

0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:01.840
<v Speaker 3>certainly going to have a terrible impact on recruitment and retention.

0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:06.400
<v Speaker 1>How long you think this drags out, what's your gut say?

0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:09.080
<v Speaker 2>Who knows? I mean weeks? Who knows? I mean it's

0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:12.560
<v Speaker 2>already drug out five or six days. I just who knows.

0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:15.719
<v Speaker 3>I hope it ends quickly. It's what the men and

0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:18.480
<v Speaker 3>women this police department deserve, It's what the residents deserve

0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:21.760
<v Speaker 3>for this to be handled very quickly and let's move

0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:24.040
<v Speaker 3>on whatever that looks like, whether it's her coming back,

0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:25.880
<v Speaker 3>her not coming back, they need to.

0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:27.400
<v Speaker 2>Resolve this very very quickly.

0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:30.560
<v Speaker 1>I know the rank and file weren't enamored with Terry Thiji,

0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:34.000
<v Speaker 1>but man, what the city just did is solidify every

0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:36.240
<v Speaker 1>man and woman on that thin blue or white line

0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:38.800
<v Speaker 1>as it is in Cincinnati, on her side.

0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:42.000
<v Speaker 2>This is incredible. Yeah, without a doubt.

0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:46.839
<v Speaker 1>He is Ken Kobert. He is the president of the

0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:48.960
<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati a Lodge to the FOP, joining the show with

0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:53.040
<v Speaker 1>his reaction following the press conference involving Terry Figi's administrative

0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:55.240
<v Speaker 1>paid administrative leaves. I look for reasons to fire her,

0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:58.600
<v Speaker 1>supposed to having reasons. Now we're gonna put you on leave,

0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:00.800
<v Speaker 1>pay you, and then look for reasons to fire you.

0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:03.440
<v Speaker 1>A's completely as backwards as it gets for any big city,

0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:05.319
<v Speaker 1>or any city in America for that matter. But that's

0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:07.880
<v Speaker 1>our town, that is Cincinnati, USA. Can all the best

0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:09.840
<v Speaker 1>be safe? Thanks again, all.

0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:11.160
<v Speaker 2>Right, thanks very much, Scott News.

0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:12.640
<v Speaker 1>On the way, we'll shift it up a little bit here.

0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:15.439
<v Speaker 1>Tim Holloway is the president of the Hamlin County Associations

0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:18.440
<v Speaker 1>of Chiefs and Police. His reaction to this and also

0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:20.920
<v Speaker 1>some of the areas that were pointed out in the

0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:22.760
<v Speaker 1>press conference. You get a chance to get to and

0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:25.400
<v Speaker 1>that would be judge's role in this whole thing, and

0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:29.000
<v Speaker 1>the accusation by Steve im that have ted Puval won't

0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:32.280
<v Speaker 1>engage county judges to force them to get tougher when

0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:34.880
<v Speaker 1>it comes to bond and releasing people who are violent

0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:38.320
<v Speaker 1>criminals on their own recognizance. Chief Holloway his reaction next

0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:39.920
<v Speaker 1>seven hundred WWT, Cincinnati,