1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,840 Speaker 1: By the way, smart Manchow, I always try to do that. 2 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 2: When the music ends, you can down now eight three 3 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:08,399 Speaker 2: three four one two WXDX. Pit women's volleyball lost in 4 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 2: NCAA semifinal for the fifth straight year. They made the 5 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 2: final four for the fifth straight year and did not 6 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 2: get to the final, and the reaction generally around ton 7 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 2: is they represented the school in the city with pride. 8 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 2: Let's be proud of these girls. I saw that in 9 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 2: a tweet. Let's be proud of these girls. First off, 10 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 2: they're women, and I'm. 11 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: Gonna ask. 12 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 3: This. 13 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: They did their best. They're Pittsburgh. Let's be proud. 14 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 2: Would we say the same thing if it was a 15 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 2: men's team the Austin five straight semifinals or where we 16 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 2: call them chokers and losers. Not hating, just saying I'm 17 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 2: not calling the pitt women's volleyball team chokers and losers. 18 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 2: I'm just saying if it was a men's team, what 19 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 2: would we call them? Dial now eight three three four 20 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 2: to one two WSDX. By the way, the USL champion 21 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 2: River Hans with the move today Rob Vinson, who came 22 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 2: in as interim coach at season's end and won the 23 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 2: playoffs he has been retained as the head coach. So 24 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 2: congratulations again to the River Hawns organization and to Rob 25 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 2: Vincent for being appointed head coach. Did we cover that 26 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 2: the goalie left already? Eric Dick? He ain't coming back. 27 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 2: I mean, I guess you can do without Dick. People 28 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 2: do it all the time. Wait what I mean, Aman 29 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 2: Flyers announcer, Hey, his name's Dick. All right, any hoodles 30 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 2: call to talk about any of that. Uh, here's the 31 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 2: one jumping way ahead. I'm so intrigued by the NFL 32 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 2: Draft in Pittsburgh and April. 33 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: I'll be anywhere but there. That's not true. 34 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 2: I think I'm doing something for Pittsburgh Brewing, but at 35 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: that facility in Creighton, which is driving in the exact 36 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 2: opposite direction of the draft itself. But I think it's 37 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 2: intriguing how the quarterback market dropped outs. And further evidence 38 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:11,519 Speaker 2: of that is even even that guy Mendoza, Indiana Heisman winner, 39 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 2: last man standing at quarterback, and he's had a great 40 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 2: year and I think he's talented. I saw him play 41 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 2: for nearly six or seven minutes this year. That's the 42 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 2: conclusion I would draw from those six or seven minutes. 43 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 2: But people are like discussing this Mendoza guy. Em maybe 44 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 2: not at first overall, because it looks like the Giants 45 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 2: are gonna get the first pick and they already have 46 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 2: Jackson Dart And maybe you stick with him because the 47 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 2: quarterbacks we thought am maybe not because remember when it 48 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 2: was gonna be like seven quarterbacks in the first round, 49 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 2: but Aler got hurt. I guess Manning is staying at 50 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 2: Texas for his billion dollars of nil, and he was. 51 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 2: He got better as the year went on. I think, actually, 52 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 2: what's his name, Archman. I think that he's actually on 53 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 2: the trajectory that we should have reasonably expected for a 54 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 2: quarterback his age and experience in the first place. And 55 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 2: I do think he winds up being a first round pick, 56 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 2: and probably would be this year just based on his name. 57 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 2: But it didn't turn out like we thought it would 58 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 2: for drafting quarterbacks in the upcoming draft. And I just 59 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 2: want to chime in, maybe going three and fourteen doesn't 60 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 2: guarantee anything, but the Steelers still need to do it. 61 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 2: Last night, great Thursday night football game. I was out 62 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: of Dino's at Latrob. I watched the Penguin game, but 63 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 2: caught a lot of the football game afterwards. 64 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: Don't forget. 65 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 2: I'm at Marino's American Eatery in Greensburg for the Penguin 66 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 2: game tomorrow night, and then I'm at celebration as an 67 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 2: Imperial for the Steeler game and the Penguin game on Sunday. 68 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 2: But Seattle be dla Rams with a two point conversion 69 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 2: in overtime thirty eight thirty seven in a game that 70 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: features no hate crimes, despite the presence of Pukainakua who 71 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 2: had this gigantically big game, so that don't teach anybody 72 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: who's dying on hate crimes. Uh, he should have been 73 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 2: suspended a game for sure, should have been. Seahawks were 74 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: down sixteen in the fourth quarter and came back and 75 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 2: they got a two point conversion to tie the game 76 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 2: on a in completion by Darnold that was throne behind 77 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 2: the line and nobody reacted to what turned out to 78 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 2: be a fumble and it kind of just flipped and 79 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 2: he flopped into the end zone and the Seattle offensive lineman, 80 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 2: without know what was going on, picked it up, and 81 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 2: the referees had their hands in there for the two 82 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 2: point conversion, and that tied the game and Seattle went 83 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 2: on the winners. That was a pretty interesting finish. Uh, 84 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 2: I do gotta talk a lot of Penguins. This saint 85 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 2: good right now for the Penguins. Never mind the losing 86 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 2: and the standings. Last night was an Excreman show. She 87 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 2: lost was rotten. He's lost I think seven in a 88 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 2: row now. But they got shut out. When you get 89 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 2: shut out, it doesn't matter who's in goal. That said, 90 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 2: shilloffs let a goal in very early, and I'll be blunt. 91 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 2: I hate to say this about teams because there's no 92 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 2: way for us to watch on TV or even at 93 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 2: the rink and know if a team quits. 94 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: It looked like the Penguins quit last night. 95 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 2: MWS looked confused behind the bench, like he's Mike Johnston 96 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 2: and I'm told the dressing room is upset because Jari 97 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:27,799 Speaker 2: got traded. 98 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: You know, I could have extrapolated that. 99 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 2: I mean, I've been told about the room, But the 100 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 2: Penguins staff was really almost in tears because Jari got traded. 101 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 2: The sumbitch never won a playoff series. Oh we jars 102 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 2: won a great f Jars f jars. He got hurt 103 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,559 Speaker 2: last night for Edmonton and he won't win there either. 104 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 2: But I digress the dressing room gotta get over itself, 105 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 2: got to get over itself. 106 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: That goes for the stars too. 107 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 2: It ain't won a playoff series since twenty eighteen, it 108 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 2: ain't even made the playoffs in three years, and Jarry 109 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 2: never wont to play the eternal bond of unbreakable brotherhood 110 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: can go f itself, and it's not done the team 111 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 2: much good for quite a while. It's like when Jake 112 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 2: got traded in the dressing room basically went on strike 113 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 2: and blew the playoffs. 114 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: That you're because of it. 115 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 2: Get over yourselves, and like I said, that goes for everybody. 116 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 2: With Brunick jerked around and morishov back in, Wilkes and 117 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 2: Brose and Avery Hazen, Wilkes coven and scratched the dressing 118 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: room totally belongs to the veterans again. That vibe and 119 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 2: energy are gone. Got sucked out of the room, got 120 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 2: sucked out of the team. 121 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: And that is a horrific mistake. 122 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: My kindle not on the first power play and Manta 123 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 2: is him and his one leg f off, f off 124 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 2: with that nonsense. Mus has lost track of what I 125 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 2: thought his job was supposed to be. It is to 126 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 2: develop if it was to scratch into the playoffs. There 127 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 2: were a lot better choices than him. Mike Sullivan would 128 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:00,679 Speaker 2: have been a better bet to scratch into the playoffs, 129 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 2: even though he didn't do that in any of the 130 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 2: last three years. And with coven he's playing bad. Yeah, 131 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 2: I have no real big bitch about scratching him, but 132 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 2: he ain't played no worse than Heinen and Hayes. And 133 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 2: at least Coyvenan has an upside and can't get better. 134 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: You know, skated together today. 135 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 2: You know he's on left wing with Kendall and McGroarty, 136 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 2: Kevin fing Hayes. 137 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: Hey, here's an idea. 138 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 2: Instead of putting Hayes on their left wing, why not 139 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 2: get Kindall and McGroarty together before the game tomorrow night 140 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: at Montreal and chain their ankles together? What can News 141 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 2: possibly be imagining there? You know, why is Heinen and Pittsburgh? 142 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 2: Why is bros and Wilkes? Let's ask the dads because 143 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 2: getting slaughtered on the dad's trip is not a good look. 144 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: I bet the dads are pissed. I can think of 145 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 2: one in particular. What's the number again? Eight three, three 146 00:07:58,040 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 2: four on two wh six? What a great show that 147 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 2: this has been and I didn't mention the Steelers and lines, 148 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 2: did I mentioned them at all that segment. No, But 149 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 2: just so I can say I talked about him. Detroit's 150 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 2: gone to kill you, Detroit's. 151 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: Gone I kill you. 152 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 2: And I say that with no small amount of humor 153 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 2: except what you could obviously notice by the way I 154 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 2: delivered it. But I mean, I just Detroit's better and 155 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 2: the Steelers are gonna come out and play the wrong way. 156 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 2: We got Tim at the bottom of the hour batch 157 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 2: at four o'clock, mister Friday Afternoon went five and oh, 158 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 2: he went what was it ten and o the week 159 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 2: before because of that ridiculous whatever. I'm not even gonna 160 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 2: get the sound effect involved. Bit bit bit bit bit, 161 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 2: I mean ten and oh, then. 162 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: Five and oh. It's almost like he knows what he's 163 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: talking about. 164 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 2: And then in the five o'clock car he's hosting a 165 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 2: thing this weekend at the hardcore Happy Hour at Helltown 166 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 2: Stripped District tap Room Saturday, six to late. It's the original, 167 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 2: the first Easy World Heavyweight Champion the franchise, Shane Douglas. 168 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: This is just a great show. To quote the big 169 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 1: o'bowski right, goodbye. The exit one nine. 170 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 2: Time recalls on the fifteens. Tim Ben joins me at 171 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 2: the bottom of the hour. Colin Beasley, who covers the 172 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 2: Pirates for the Post Gazette, and he's one of the 173 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 2: fans I talk about. He's a Pirate fan, but he 174 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 2: points out that acquiring Brandon Lowe is a move designed 175 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 2: to win in twenty twenty six. Yeah, I would hope so, 176 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 2: because he's only on a one year deal one year 177 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 2: excuse me remaining on his contract. The race picked up 178 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 2: the club auction, and it is wise to try to 179 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 2: win while you got Skens. They should have made moves 180 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 2: like this the last two years too, But I think 181 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 2: this ends with Lobby being traded in July if the 182 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 2: Pirates aren't in a playoff spot at that point, and 183 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 2: I don't think they will be just based on this 184 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 2: one move. They're better, but probably not good enough. But 185 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what this is for sure. This is 186 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 2: a move designed to make all of you think they're 187 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 2: trying to win in twenty twenty six. 188 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: Well determine that they're really trying are. 189 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 2: The moves they make between now and then and whatever 190 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 2: the payroll for twenty twenty six is at season's beginning. 191 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 2: That's how you'll know. Again it's a great move. I mean, 192 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 2: just a great move. I don't know what the friggin' 193 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 2: astro see. And Mike Burrows, I mean, I would have 194 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 2: thought that he would be the guy they're forced to 195 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 2: pitch after they trade Mitch Keller. But this is a 196 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: move designed to make you think they're trying to win 197 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six, let's go to Scoot Scoots. 198 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: What's up? 199 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 4: What up mine? 200 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 3: What up? 201 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: Mine? 202 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 5: Do you think last night that awful performance in Ottawa 203 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 5: will kind of be the line of demarcation where Dubis thinks, Hey, 204 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 5: this team I need to sell. There's no shot I 205 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 5: can speak to the playoffs or do you think he'll 206 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 5: wait until Malkin kind of gets back. 207 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 6: Into the lineup and just see if the team react. 208 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 2: Well, it's worth it's worth noting they're row and seven 209 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 2: without malk and all of these losses have come with 210 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 2: him out of the lineup, which actually has people saying 211 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 2: they need to sign him to a contract for next year, 212 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 2: which they should do anything, but but they they do 213 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 2: miss Malkin the production on the second line. And the 214 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 2: reason I wouldn't bring him back is the is to 215 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 2: not block Kindle from being a top six center. But uh, 216 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 2: but but they're only like even now, three points out 217 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 2: of a playoff spot. 218 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: Scoot, So no, Dupas isn't gonna give up now. 219 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 2: He probably ought to, and he needs to tell me 220 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 2: news how to deploy the young guys instead of the 221 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 2: old guys. They need to get back to that because 222 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 2: it served them well at the beginning of the season. 223 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 2: It was the whole purpose of this season in the 224 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 2: first place. Let's go to Dan, Dan, you're all with double. 225 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 7: M what's up? 226 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 5: Uh? 227 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 7: I was gonna talk about the Penguins real quick. You 228 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 7: were talking about Plurbus in the pregame show, and that 229 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 7: show is really good. You should watch it. 230 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:07,839 Speaker 1: I will do. What about the Penguins now? 231 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 7: I think the early season and stuff was kind of 232 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 7: them punching above their weight, which kind of mentioned. But 233 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 7: I feel like what we're seeing now is kind of 234 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 7: just what this team actually is. And I don't really 235 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,199 Speaker 7: I don't see him making the playoffs this year. Miss. 236 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 7: I think it's gonna be another Stratchy. 237 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 3: I don't. 238 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 2: I don't think they're as bad as a seven game 239 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 2: losing streak, but I don't think they were as good 240 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 2: as their start, and I think the start skewed the 241 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 2: way they think about the season and skewed the way 242 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 2: MWS is coaching. I think News has done just a 243 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 2: terrible job during the seven game losing streak, and last 244 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 2: night he looked like he didn't know what to do, 245 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 2: and I don't think those looks were deceiving. 246 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, you got to go back to what 247 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 7: was working. I don't know why they even tried to 248 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 7: fix what wasn't broken. I guess it's Mulkin going out, 249 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 7: but it's like that just doesn't make a lot of sense. 250 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 2: The one that I think they've mangled brunic season that 251 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 2: pisses me off. Kindling out on the first power play 252 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 2: when he's their best power play guy. That pisses me 253 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 2: off and strikes me as very territorial as far as 254 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 2: the veterans are concern Danton Hinen in Pittsburgh and Avery 255 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 2: Hayes and Tristan bros Both in Wilkes. That pisses me off. 256 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 2: A lot of the way this team is assembled and 257 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 2: deployed right now pisses me the frig off. Tim Ben's 258 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 2: up next, one oh five to nine. 259 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: This is Alfred Williams. 260 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,959 Speaker 2: Here's what's trending on the iHeart Sports Network, presented by Lows. 261 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 4: On the ice, the Penguins were shut out by the Senators. 262 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 4: They're seventh loss in a row. They look to snap 263 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 4: the skid tomorrow against Montreal. The Steelers continue their playoff 264 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 4: push Sunday against the Lions. They leave Baltimore by a 265 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 4: game in the AFC North with three remaining. The First 266 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 4: round of the college football Playoff kicks off tonight, Oklahoma 267 00:13:58,360 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 4: hosts Alabama. 268 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: From normal, I'm stay home and stay big online. During 269 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: Low's December deal. 270 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 4: Drops Mark and Afternoon gallanted like the Mark. 271 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 6: Madden, what do you want? What do you want? 272 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 3: Dammit? 273 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: The exit one oh five nine. 274 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 2: Some Pirates news in a big Steeler game at Detroit. 275 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 2: Joining us on to talk about it is Tim Bench 276 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 2: from the Trip. Tim, I only want to talk briefly 277 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 2: about the Bucko deal. But they got Brandon Lywe the 278 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 2: power hitting second Bason from Tampa. Unless everybody has overestimated 279 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 2: Mike Burrows, I mean underestimate. Excuse me, he's better than 280 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 2: I think, like the Astros think he's, you know, the 281 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 2: next Nolan Ryan or whoever. 282 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: It seems like the pirates made a real good deal. 283 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 3: It does. I like the trade. I don't think it's 284 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 3: going to have the impact that you know, Schwarber or 285 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 3: Marte or Alonzo or Naylor or any of the names 286 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 3: that were casually thrown around would have had. But maybe 287 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 3: that was part of the strategy. Maybe it was, you know, 288 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 3: make it look like we're shooting high, but we're still 289 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 3: making an effort to at least make the team better, 290 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 3: which they did. I mean, the opportunity to get somebody 291 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 3: who had thirty one home runs through free agencies practically 292 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 3: non existent for this team, and sometimes even in trades. 293 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 3: So if you can get him, get him. And I 294 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 3: agree with your sentiment, which is, yeah, we all like 295 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 3: Mike Burrows as a prospect. Could have been a good 296 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 3: pitcher here, probably would have been okay, But you know, 297 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 3: was he ever going to top out at more than 298 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 3: number three or four? If the guys that we've been 299 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 3: propping up for so long live up to their potential. 300 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 3: One already has his schemes. The other is Chandler. You know, 301 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 3: if Jared Jones comes back and they keep him a starter, 302 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 3: he would be three. And maybe Houston just liked this 303 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 3: guy as a prospect more than Keller as a relatively 304 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 3: finished product who would be at least three, if not 305 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 3: four around Burrows. 306 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 2: So I think they might keep Keller now, probably, and 307 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 2: I think that would probably be a good move, although 308 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 2: the size of his ticket doesn't preclude him getting trade. 309 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 2: I just have this theory though, that they got Law 310 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 2: and they'll have Griffin on the roster to start the 311 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 2: season in the lineup two to sell tickets to get 312 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 2: seasoned packages out there, and then it winds up with 313 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 2: them not really contending because they don't think they're a 314 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 2: five hundred team now, even with Law, They've got to 315 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 2: make some more moves, and then they trade Law with 316 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 2: the deadline. 317 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 3: There's never going to be a deal that acquires salary 318 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 3: that the Pirates don't have a plan to get out 319 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 3: of it. So that aspect of the deal doesn't rub 320 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 3: me the wrong way, because I'd rather have the guy 321 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 3: here with the escape clause and have them use the 322 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 3: escape clause to not have him here in the first place, 323 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 3: and then if he works out and the team doesn't, 324 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 3: then at least maybe you get back a prospect that 325 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 3: could someday be your number four pitcher, Like you know, Burrows, 326 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 3: was probably going to be. 327 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 2: I want to get some Steelers talking, Tim, because let's 328 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 2: face the Pirates got to make more moves and they 329 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 2: might not. What is the Steelers' best bet to win 330 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 2: this game at Detroit? How do they have to approach it? 331 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 2: Because I have my ideas, but what are yours? 332 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 3: They got to be willing to score with these guys, 333 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 3: because I don't think that they all slow them down, 334 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 3: and I think this game has to be in the 335 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 3: high twenties to low thirties. They're gonna have to take 336 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 3: some chances in the pass rush too, if they don't 337 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 3: have what or her Big or at least her Big 338 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 3: at full strength, or whatever the case would be. 339 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 2: And Tim, who knows they might stab high Smith in 340 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 2: the lung between now and then. 341 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 3: If this is a strategy to get out of contracts Mark, 342 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 3: they might have tried that earlier before I started to 343 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 3: play well again. But like you know, you're potentially gonna 344 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 3: have Jack Sawyer over Penny Seool for a lot of 345 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 3: this game. And you know that strikes me strategically as 346 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 3: something that plays right into the hands of the Detroit Lions, 347 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 3: like they can leave him by himself and put as 348 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 3: much help as they need over on High Smith. Even 349 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 3: if they want to do that, and they can just 350 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 3: deploy more guys and routes, and I think that's gonna 351 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,199 Speaker 3: be too much for the Steelers to keep up with. 352 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 3: But you know, we have long called for the Steelers 353 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 3: to get more creative in their pass rush. 354 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 6: They're gonna have to hear. They're gonna have to. 355 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 3: Blitz Ramsey, They're gonna have to blitz Queen. 356 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: You know. 357 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 3: The theory is that if you get golf panicky in 358 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 3: the pocket, you muddy the pocket, you make him throw 359 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 3: off platform. That's where you get to him. That's not 360 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 3: unique to Golf, but it seems to bother him more 361 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 3: than most. So if they can do that and create 362 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 3: a few turnovers, which the Lions normally don't do, that's 363 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 3: how they stay in. Again, that's high twenties to low thirties. 364 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 3: But I think they're gonna have to be ready to 365 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 3: do that. Take some chances on. 366 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 2: It, but be tim, I bet they're not. I mean, Tomlin, 367 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 2: it's not his nature to do that. It's more in 368 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 2: his nature to force a rock fight. You look at 369 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 2: last year when they beat Cincinnati in a shootout and 370 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 2: then tried to force the rock fight in the rematch 371 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 2: and and lost that. That said, you're right, and that 372 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 2: Detroit defense, it's a bit vulnerable with three dbs out. 373 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,479 Speaker 2: My big worry is Fatanu matched up. I'm not a worry, 374 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 2: but you mentioned the Sewell and Jack Sawyer match up, 375 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 2: and I bet Sawyer plays good. But you're right, that's 376 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 2: a tough nut to crack. What about Fatano against Aiden Hutchinson. 377 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 3: Well, unless Aiden Hutchinson's over Dylan Cook, and then it's worse. 378 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, but Hutchinson usually Hudginson usually lines up on the 379 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 2: left side, correct, I thought. 380 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 3: I mean he's usually listed as a He's at least 381 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 3: listed as a right defensive lineman. They've got him in 382 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 3: his snap counts over on them. 383 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 2: No ESPN lists of his left But maybe I should 384 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 2: actually watch tape, which I'm not gonna do, so we'll 385 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 2: just win. 386 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 3: Well, either way, he can't move, and if I'm the Lions, 387 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 3: I put him over Cook and I forced the Steelers 388 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 3: to throw as much help over there as humanly possible. 389 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, but then that'll take away from the notion of 390 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 2: trying to force a shootout, because if you give help, 391 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 2: it's the fat kid and then it minimizes firemouth. 392 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 3: Uh yeah, but I think to your point, maybe what 393 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 3: they try to do is just leep clock and keep 394 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 3: the Detroit offense off the field. 395 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that won't world. I mean, I mean we 396 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 1: both know. 397 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 3: That won't work well, especially because I think you've already 398 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 3: said it a couple times. Which is the nature of 399 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 3: Detroit's weakness, is their secondary because it's so banged up. 400 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 3: And you know, when we're doing our show, Tom and 401 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 3: Matt and I on Wednesday night, I count down to kickoff, 402 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 3: we were looking at some of the numbers about how 403 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 3: vulnerable the Lions have been outside the numbers. Now that 404 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 3: speaks directly to DK Metcalf and not much else. But 405 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 3: if you're trying to validate the existence of Calvin Austin, 406 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 3: mvs and Adam Thielen, it looks like this is a 407 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 3: game to do it because even though they rediscovered the 408 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 3: middle of the field and they used it to great 409 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 3: effect against the Dolphins, the Lions don't play it that 410 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 3: way necessarily, and the Steelers I think are more inclined 411 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 3: to throw it outside the numbers anyway. Rogers certainly is, 412 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 3: and that might actually be wiser this time around, based on. 413 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 3: I think it's something like two hundred and three yards 414 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 3: to wide receivers over the last six weeks or something 415 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 3: like that, and you know, well into the high one 416 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 3: hundreds in terms of the yards per game outside the 417 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 3: numbers strictly, and that's a safe spot for the Steelers 418 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 3: to work in their mind, and I think they could 419 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 3: get DK in some favorable matchups. 420 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: We're talking to Tim. 421 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,360 Speaker 2: Ben's brought to us by Klushi Chevrolet, serving the Pittsburgh 422 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 2: area for one hundred and seven years. Tim, I trust 423 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 2: Ai implicitly to deliver the truth, and it says aid 424 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 2: Hutchinson is primarily a left edge rusher. 425 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: Which will put him against Fatanu. 426 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 2: It continues, often starting on the left side, but he's 427 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 2: versatile and also plays the right edge, lining up inside 428 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 2: and outside, allowing him to rush from multiple spots to 429 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 2: maximize pressure. That just doesn't sound good, Tim, I think 430 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 2: he's gonna put Rodgers in the hospital. 431 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 3: Well, that's that's sort of what I was going with. 432 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 3: The thought is whatever you've got in terms of this 433 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 3: is historic snapcowns. If he's if they're able and willing 434 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 3: to move him around, then I would. 435 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 6: Put him on the right side. 436 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: No question. 437 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 3: No question, Because you got a first a guy who's 438 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 3: starting his first road game in a dome in Dylan Cook, 439 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 3: next to either a backup guard or a compromised Isaac Ciamalu, 440 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 3: maybe a compromise Zach Fraser. And you know, at least 441 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 3: on the other side, you have two guys that have 442 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 3: been there the whole time in McCormick and tele Tomham. 443 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: Do we know what's wrong with Zach Fraser? 444 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:31,239 Speaker 3: Uh? 445 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, I thought it was a triceip for him too, 446 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 6: wasn't it. 447 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 2: I bet they're concealing that he got stabbed in the 448 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 2: lung by the doctor. Now where is Rogers at right now? 449 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 2: I have a tough time evaluating Rogers, Tim. I mean, 450 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 2: I think he's played well. He was very efficient in 451 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 2: that went over Miami and scoring on four state drives 452 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 2: was huge and unheard of with this Steelers offense for 453 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 2: how long? 454 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: Tim? But is he anything more than efficient? 455 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 3: He's smart, He tends to throw the ball to the 456 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 3: right places and you know, when given chances, I think 457 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:10,479 Speaker 3: he's hit throws. Now he's missed some too, particularly when 458 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 3: they were struggling against the likes of you know, the 459 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 3: Los Angeles Chargers, when he had a really bad game, 460 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 3: and what was that the Buffalo game that he played 461 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 3: as well, where they weren't any good. 462 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 6: But you know, and even earlier. 463 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 3: The season there were some froze that he had said 464 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 3: that he wished that he. 465 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 6: Could have had back and so forth. 466 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 3: So I I kind of look at it from the 467 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 3: standpoint of you asked this question a week or two ago, 468 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 3: was it worth it? And to them with their goals, 469 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 3: I think it has been worth it because their goal 470 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 3: was to be above five hundred and make it back 471 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 3: to the playoffs. 472 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 6: Again. He's given them a better shot than anybody they had, 473 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 6: or anybody they were going to. 474 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 3: Get, because they weren't going to pay what Seattle paid 475 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 3: for Sam Donald. 476 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you get what you paid for too. 477 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 2: I'm not saying they would win playoff games with Sam Darnald, 478 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 2: but I have very little confidence to win one with 479 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers and then next year, who knows, maybe Kirk 480 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 2: Cousins and Tim That pros me. 481 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 3: And I think statistically, Mark Well, you're talking about you know, 482 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 3: like if you want to see him be more than efficient, 483 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 3: and this is a good team to do it against, 484 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 3: because like part of the reason efficiency is The word 485 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 3: for Rogers is he's got the lowest depth of target 486 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 3: of any quarterback in football. 487 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: Right His weaponry is just terrible. 488 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 2: But then again, he's the guy who wants stealing in 489 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 2: mbs out there. Then again, I'm not sure Wilson and 490 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 2: Austin offer any better it Tim. It's still just not 491 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 2: a very good team, let alone a very good offense. 492 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: And that begs this question. 493 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 2: Are the Steelers trending upward or have they just won 494 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 2: a couple games in the row, because those two things 495 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 2: can be very different. 496 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 3: I thought they played a very good game against a 497 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 3: sub mediocre opponent in the Dolphins. You know, the Dolphins 498 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 3: are probably nothing more than a high cut of bad 499 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 3: in the NFL, and the Steelers are a mediocre cut 500 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 3: in the NFL in a down division, which is why 501 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 3: they're probably going to win it. If you can take 502 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 3: the Steelers and PLoP them in the NFC West, how 503 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 3: do you think they're going to do? 504 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 6: You know? 505 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 3: And we've seen them lose a couple of times already 506 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 3: to NFC North teams, And here comes another one, like 507 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 3: I'm just looking like where they would stand in some 508 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 3: of the other divisional battles and it's not all that favorable. 509 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 6: So you know, they are. 510 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 3: In a advantageous spot in their division race. They're in 511 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 3: an advantageous spot because their division is down. But I 512 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 3: still would have to be convinced to pick them even 513 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 3: with the home playoff game against one of the other 514 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,719 Speaker 3: teams that might come in as a wild card. They 515 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 3: played a good game against Miami, full credit to them 516 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 3: for doing that good game. Lesser team fifty to fifty 517 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 3: game against Baltimore on the road, got a few breaks 518 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 3: and that helped them win the game. But maybe they'll 519 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 3: be better on their home turf in week eighteen, if 520 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 3: it really comes down to that, it might not, because, 521 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 3: like I said, they're in a better position than they 522 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 3: are a good team, and the better position has largely 523 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 3: to do with who the Ravens have to play and 524 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 3: what the conference tiebreaker standings are at this point. 525 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 1: No, you could not have possibly put it better. 526 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 2: But that said to convince me they could win a 527 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 2: playoff game, let alone games. I keep calling for them 528 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,239 Speaker 2: to win out and the schedule doesn't preclude that. I mean, 529 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 2: they're playing three games that are eminently winnable. You want 530 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 2: to trend upward, do that build real momentum. You want 531 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 2: to talk like this two thousand and five, I mean, 532 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 2: you know, show me that you're close to that, even 533 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 2: though we both know. 534 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: They are not. 535 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 3: You are saying is speaking exactly what Rogers said in 536 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 3: his postgame interview with Lisa Saulters, which you know, he 537 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,239 Speaker 3: said he wants to see the belief pick up. 538 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 6: Now. 539 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 3: I don't know if he was talking about the team 540 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 3: orfe he was talking about us and the fans or both, 541 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 3: but he could have meant both. But surely he was 542 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 3: talking about the players themselves, and they can believe. They 543 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 3: say they believe. I think they have believed in themselves 544 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 3: the last five years, but ever since the first quarter 545 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 3: of that Cleveland playoff game, no one in Pittsburgh should 546 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 3: feel obligated to believe again until they are proven otherwise, 547 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 3: until the Steelers themselves make us believe, and they haven't 548 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 3: ever since that COVID playoff game against the Browns kicked off. 549 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 3: So I think that's a little bit of an indication 550 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 3: that Rogers does if he doesn't have his finger on something, 551 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 3: it's where this team really is as opposed to the 552 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 3: one that I think he idealized when he thought about 553 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 3: and eventually did sign here, and who Tomlin is a coach, 554 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 3: who they are as a franchise. I mean, let's face it, Mark, 555 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 3: like Rodgers has never really been in this spot before. 556 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 3: You know, they hadn't had a playoff drought longer than 557 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 3: three years in Green Bay going back to the mid 558 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,360 Speaker 3: eighties to early nineties by the time he had arrived. 559 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 3: When he went to the Jets, he was seen as 560 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 3: the guy who was going to change everything, and then 561 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 3: he got hurt right away. So he's never had to 562 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 3: play through and live what he's going through right now 563 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 3: in Pittsburgh, which is in really a state of jahndice 564 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 3: view of its football team and with every every reason 565 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 3: to be so. 566 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 2: Tim. Before we wrap up, I got to ask you 567 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 2: about the Penguins. They've lost seven straight. Did it look 568 00:27:58,880 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 2: like they quit last night? 569 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 6: It looked like they didn't have anything. 570 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it looked like they were skating in 571 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,679 Speaker 3: emotional mud. I heard you open and talk about it. 572 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 3: I've forgotten about the whole Dad's trip aspect. 573 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 6: Boy, what a fun trip this must be. 574 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 2: When I heard the locker room's mad because they traded Jari, 575 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,239 Speaker 2: I mean, the locker room gotta get over itself, and 576 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 2: that goes for every single person in it. Jarry was 577 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 2: here ten years, didn't win a goddamn playoff series. 578 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: I don't care if they're friends, I just don't. 579 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 2: And if they think Jari was the guy to get 580 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 2: them to the playoffs, they're wrong. 581 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 3: Well, we've talked about the Steelers working so hard to 582 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 3: keep together a team that hasn't won anything over the 583 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 3: last eight years, ten years. 584 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 2: And you know, like they the veterans, the Big Three 585 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 2: one in particular, Yeah, they want to have their cake 586 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 2: and eat it too. That's what they want. They want 587 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 2: the team to be as assembled with all their buddies 588 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 2: and the unbreakable bround of eternal brotherhood. And if that 589 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 2: team's not good enough, they still want to win anyway. 590 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: And you can't have it both ways. 591 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 3: You can't, and especially like you can't comp Jari to Genseil. 592 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 3: Like where I's going with the thought was the Penguins 593 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 3: at least did win with a lot of those guys. 594 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 3: They can't anymore. But you know why they look at 595 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 3: each other and say, we can win with each other 596 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 3: because we have Well those days are gone. They're just 597 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 3: not willing to admit it. You can understand why they 598 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 3: were emotionally unplugged for a little bit when they lost Gensel. 599 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 3: It shouldn't have gone to the extent that it did. 600 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 3: But Jari's not that guy. I mean Mark, he's hurt 601 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 3: already again in Edmonton, Like it took three days for 602 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 3: them to get what we've seen at least a part 603 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 3: of Actually the way he's played has been Putrist and Jari, 604 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 3: they've just outscored his mistakes. So like, if you're a 605 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 3: Penguin player, how do you not look at what's happened 606 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 3: the three days that he's gone and played for the 607 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 3: entertainments about yeah, it does look the same over there, like. 608 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 2: Well yeah, no, no, no, Edmonton is just scoring so 609 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 2: many goals. I mean, Jari's not played well, but he's 610 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 2: three and oh. 611 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 6: Right he is. 612 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 3: And then he got hurt again last night. I didn't 613 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 3: hear today what the extent of that injury is. But 614 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 3: you know he's he's had that before. As soon as 615 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 3: you start to think something's gonna work out and he 616 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 3: gets hurt and he comes back he's rusty or whatever. 617 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 3: You lose him for a long stretch of time and 618 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 3: he breaks his own personal momentum, like they should know 619 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 3: by now that they're not losing a key cog that 620 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 3: was going to get them back to the playoffs, is 621 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 3: my point. Denzil could have been a part of that. 622 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 3: This guy was never going to be that. 623 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 2: Excuse me, Tim, I'm stifling a sneeze. 624 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 6: Okay, anything about actually got on the air. 625 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: I couldn't len for the sneeze button cough butt whatever. 626 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 2: But but yeah, I mean, I I think last thing, Tim, 627 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 2: the start for the Penguins turned out to be a 628 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 2: fool's gold and and and got them off the path 629 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 2: they should be traveling. I see Manta on the power play, 630 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 2: not Kindle, I see Heinen in Pittsburgh and bros in Wilkes. 631 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 2: I see Brunic having had his season. Man the organization, 632 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 2: it's just turned into a stink show. 633 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 3: You know. There was always that vibe out there that 634 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 3: the winning streak to start the season, the good play 635 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 3: to start the season was going to have positive dividends 636 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 3: because you didn't spend eighty two games feeling like you. 637 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 6: Were in a hole. 638 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 3: But the negative trickle effect was especially with the rookie coach, 639 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 3: he and a lot of other people of that organization 640 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 3: probably talked themselves into thinking that that could have been 641 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 3: the real thing. And it's not so much you know, 642 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 3: the damage that was done in terms of draft position 643 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 3: for winning, it's the damage that was done to the 644 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 3: psyche that you have to chase more winning, which you're 645 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 3: never going to get to. 646 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 2: Tim, great stuff, as always, enjoy the game. We'll talk 647 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 2: again on your podcast Sunday night. 648 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: You got it, Mark, Thanks, that's Tim Benz. 649 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 2: Tim brought to was by Calusy chevro Leg. We got 650 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 2: Charlie Batch at the top of the hour.