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Speaker 1: This is a podcast from WOR now the wr Saturday

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Speaker 1: Morning Show.

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Speaker 2: Here's Larry Minty this.

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Speaker 3: Week on Saturday Morning. It's the best of Curtis Leiwa

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Speaker 3: and Larry Menting in the morning. Here is our conversation

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Speaker 3: with WOR White House correspondent and constitutional attorney John Decker,

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Speaker 3: who was in the Supreme Court with President Trump for

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Speaker 3: the Supreme Court arguments on birthright citizenship. John, what a

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Speaker 3: day it was at the Supreme Court. Huh. You had

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Speaker 3: the President there, you had Robert de Niro here, there

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Speaker 3: were you starstruck.

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Speaker 2: Now, don't get starstruck, but you know what I had.

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Speaker 2: I honestly believe the best seat at the Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: yesterday for those oral arguments, because not only did I

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Speaker 2: had such a great view of the nine justices, but

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Speaker 2: also the entire time I could watch President Trump. I

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Speaker 2: had a direct view of him watching the oral argument

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Speaker 2: as they play out. He stayed in the Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: for about seventy five minutes. He left before they concluded.

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Speaker 2: He was very attentive throughout, you know, didn't really pass

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Speaker 2: notes or chat with anybody during oral arguments. Also on

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Speaker 2: the same row as the President in the public section

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Speaker 2: of the Supreme Court were the Attorney General and Howard Lutnik,

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Speaker 2: the Commerce Secretary, watching and seeing if the Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: would buy into the administration's argument concerning the constitutionality of

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Speaker 2: the President's Executive Order on birthright citizenship.

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Speaker 1: John Dica, we know the President is upset with the

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Speaker 1: justices because of the whole tariff issue. But I think

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Speaker 1: the guy on the hot seat yesterday was a solicitor

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Speaker 1: general who had to defy a Trump's decision. He was

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Speaker 1: mad at him over the tariff thing. So how did

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Speaker 1: does a solicitor general do? Because, man, let's face it,

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Speaker 1: the President is a had to be mad dogging the

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Speaker 1: solicited genier.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, the President was a tent of you know,

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Speaker 2: he showed a poker face throughout. You know, he didn't

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Speaker 2: shake his head or anything like that. But you know,

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Speaker 2: the President also, as you know, sometimes likes to point

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Speaker 2: the finger if things don't go well. And one individual

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Speaker 2: that he could certainly point the finger at is the

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Speaker 2: Solicitor General John Sower, who is also unsuccessful in winning

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Speaker 2: the tariff's case at the Supreme Court. I don't think

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Speaker 2: it's John sowers fault, you know. I mean, if you're

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Speaker 2: delta band and you're delta band hand. And I think

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Speaker 2: that that is the case, certainly with the President's executive

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Speaker 2: order on birthright citizenship. A majority of the Justice It's

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Speaker 2: liberals and conservatives were very skeptical, very doubtful about, you know,

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Speaker 2: the legal theory being put forward by the Solicitor General.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think it's going to be close if

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Speaker 3: you just listen to the arguments and that you have

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Speaker 3: to you can't always go by that. I understand, John,

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Speaker 3: you can't always go by that. But it sounded like

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Speaker 3: maybe Alito, maybe Thomas May you know, maybe seven to two,

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Speaker 3: But it doesn't sound like this is going to go

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Speaker 3: the President's way. What was the biggest hole they thought

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Speaker 3: was the argument made by sour and President Trump.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that you know you're dealt a bad hand.

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Speaker 2: You're dealt a bad hand. And what I mean by

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Speaker 2: that is there's a Supreme Court case. It dates all

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Speaker 2: the way back to eighteen ninety eight. It's a landmark decision,

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Speaker 2: and that case was cited repeatedly by the justices in

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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court. They do not in any way want

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Speaker 2: to overturn that decision. And so you know, that is

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Speaker 2: what John Sower, the Solicitor General, is faced with, how

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Speaker 2: do you argue a case and win your case when

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Speaker 2: the case that is Supreme Court President will not be overturned.

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Speaker 2: And you see the problem that John Sower has, You

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Speaker 2: really can't. And so to your point, Larry, yeah, I

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Speaker 2: mean I think it's at least six to three against

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Speaker 2: the president, like the like the Teriff's case was, and

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Speaker 2: it could be a lot worse than that, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 2: seven to two, eight to one, perhaps a unanimous decision

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Speaker 2: against the president. But he's not going to win this case.

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Speaker 2: I can pretty much be certain of that.

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Speaker 1: John Decker. What hasn't been described is when the American

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Speaker 1: Civil Liberties Union guy came up, because they are the

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Speaker 1: ones who the admissaries. Well, I'm sorry, woman, but they

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Speaker 1: pounded her too, right, the justices. They didn't give her

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Speaker 1: a free pass, did they.

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Speaker 2: Well, they didn't give her a free pass. I heard

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Speaker 2: a fellow reporter come up with an analogy which I like,

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Speaker 2: and that is, you know, it's like when Alabama in

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Speaker 2: the beginning of the college football season plays Morgan State

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Speaker 2: and they crushed them, you know, like seventy three to ten,

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Speaker 2: and you still want to have essentially the Alabama team

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Speaker 2: still in the game, still paying attention. Well, the same

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Speaker 2: thing could be said for the justices at the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 2: They know this is going to be a losing case

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Speaker 2: for the President. They could tell that, you know, a

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Speaker 2: half hour in, but they wanted to give due deference

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Speaker 2: to the lawyers arguing the case ask questions. And I

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Speaker 2: think that's what was happening yesterday. I do think that

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Speaker 2: as the case war on yesterday, I could tell that

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Speaker 2: justices lost interest. They lost interest in the case because

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Speaker 2: they view it as a loser, a loser in terms

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Speaker 2: of what the administration was arguing before them.

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Speaker 1: President shed, We're gonna get tired of winning. You already

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Speaker 1: like signaling the fact he's a loser.

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Speaker 3: You can ignore him on that question if you want to, John,

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Speaker 3: that really wasn't a question. That was an opinion. But

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Speaker 3: let's move on to the speech last night by Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: But what did we learn new from that?

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Speaker 2: I don't think we learned anything new that we haven't

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Speaker 2: heard the President say or read in terms of a

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Speaker 2: social media post over the course of the past two weeks.

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Speaker 2: Nothing new in terms of the timeline, in terms of

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Speaker 2: when this conflict will end nothing new in terms of

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Speaker 2: any announcement concerning the strata for moves or ways to

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Speaker 2: lower gas prices. I think that this was the President

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Speaker 2: essentially checking a box, and that box being I need

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Speaker 2: to give a speech to the American public in prime

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Speaker 2: time at some point during this conflict, and I'm doing

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Speaker 2: that right now. And that's what we saw happen last night.

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Speaker 2: It was one of the shortest speeches I've seen the

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Speaker 2: President deliver. I mean, twenty minutes is short by Donald Trump. Oh?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah, And that goes to your theory that he

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Speaker 3: was checking a box. Curtis, would you like to actually

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Speaker 3: ask a question or you want to call him a

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Speaker 3: loser again, Well, he's not a loser in this war.

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Speaker 3: I want it to come to an end.

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Speaker 1: Remember he said, give me what two three weeks more

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Speaker 1: and it's over. Is that essentially what he was telling

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Speaker 1: the American people last night.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think that he was saying, there's an endgame to this.

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Speaker 2: The end game is not going to be a long

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Speaker 2: term affair, you know, nothing like we saw with Vietnam

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Speaker 2: or some of the other conflicts. The President cited. It's

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Speaker 2: going to be a short term conflict. And two to

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Speaker 2: three weeks is what the President feels that he needs

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Speaker 2: to achieve the goals that he set out at the

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Speaker 2: beginning of this conflict back on February the twenty eighth.

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Speaker 2: And you know, now the president, you know, in primetime

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Speaker 2: is on record in terms of how long he believes

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Speaker 2: this conflict will last.

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Speaker 1: Now, he did a great job in sales, which he's

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Speaker 1: always done well, as he announced, Hey, we're a net

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Speaker 1: exporter of oil petroleum. You want oil, you want petroleum products.

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Speaker 3: We got plenty to explore to you.

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Speaker 1: Pretty much. He was telling the world, if you can't

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Speaker 1: get your oil through the stretch of removed to the

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Speaker 1: Red Sea or whatever, come on the USA.

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Speaker 3: We're ready to South is open for business.

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Speaker 2: Right Yeah, well hope, yeah. I mean, the President never

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Speaker 2: misses a chance to tell the United States, and last

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Speaker 2: night was a good opportunity the president, interestingly enough, because

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Speaker 2: we've heard him criticize NATO a lot over the past

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Speaker 2: few days, but he did not criticize NATO specifically. He

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Speaker 2: did criticize countries, however, for not doing more from their

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Speaker 2: perspective to make this straight up for moves safe for

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Speaker 2: oil tankers and cargo ships to pass through.

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Speaker 1: That body of water.

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Speaker 2: And you know, the President doesn't have any events that

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Speaker 2: are open to the press today. I'm in the pool.

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Speaker 2: There's one event that could open up. That's at two o'clock,

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Speaker 2: and I hope that does open up. I'll have I

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Speaker 2: have a number of questions for the President that I'd

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Speaker 2: like to ask.

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Speaker 3: The chances are it's going to open up. Let me

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Speaker 3: ask you about these peace talks going on. These are

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Speaker 3: the strangest peace talks I can ever remember, because we

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Speaker 3: don't know exactly who is involved. We don't know who's

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Speaker 3: representing Iran, we don't know how much power they have. Well,

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Speaker 3: we don't even know who the emissaries exactly are. I

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Speaker 3: know it's Pakistan, but that are that are giving the

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Speaker 3: information back and forth. Can we can we trust these

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Speaker 3: peace talks that they're actually the people we hope they are.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that to a certain extent, Larry, you

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Speaker 2: have to put your trust in the process and we'll

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Speaker 2: see where they go. The President briefly talked about diplomatic

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Speaker 2: efforts that have been ongoing.

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Speaker 3: We know that JD.

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Speaker 2: Vance is involved in that, and the President made a

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Speaker 2: comment yesterday at an Easter lunch saying that you know,

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Speaker 2: if jd Vance is unsuccessful, I'm going to blame him

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Speaker 2: for that. If he is successful, the president says, I'm

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Speaker 2: going to take the credit. So a few where things

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Speaker 2: go that sounds like President Trump, doesn't it. And you know,

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Speaker 2: let's hope that diplomatic efforts win the day in terms

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Speaker 2: of reopening the straight up for moves. I think that's

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Speaker 2: a real big thing that is driving the financial markets

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Speaker 3: John Decker w R. White House and Washington correspondent and

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Speaker 3: host of the podcast The White House Briefing Room with

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Speaker 3: John Decker, which can be found on the iHeartRadio app.

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