Speaker 1: Good morning. How's everybody out there and in here? This
Speaker 1: is Let's Garden with Scott Berlin. I am Scott, and
Speaker 1: I am joined today by two incredible horticulturists, guys that
Speaker 1: can answer any question. I hope you call with your
Speaker 1: questions because they can answer it like nobody else can.
Speaker 1: Your Your chance of getting a perfect answer is one
Speaker 1: with these guys.
Speaker 2: No pressure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anybody else, it's you know, the other guests I
Speaker 1: bring on. It's in the upper nine. But these guys
Speaker 1: are one hundred percent. And I am I am glad
Speaker 1: you're both here, Jim or I'm sorry, John Butcher, John Butcher,
Speaker 1: Madison Tree Care and Landscape. How's it going, Scott, I
Speaker 1: got no sleep last night. We'll see how it goes.
Speaker 2: We'll get you through it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like I'm already sounding like a lunatic,
Speaker 1: but that's probably normal anyway, normal. And I'm with Steve Foltz,
Speaker 1: my boss, a director of horticulture at the Cincinnati Botanical
Speaker 1: Garden and Zoo.
Speaker 3: Good morning, Good morning, Scott, Good morning, John morning.
Speaker 1: Steve, Good morning, John boy. Yes, oh man, memories of
Speaker 1: that so man. It has been a rainy couple of
Speaker 1: days at my house at least I got well over
Speaker 1: three inches yesterday and it poured, it came down hard.
Speaker 1: There was lightning that made me say things I'm not
Speaker 1: proud of.
Speaker 2: It's been really good for the plants. The rain nice,
Speaker 2: timely all summer, no real drought stress. April was probably
Speaker 2: the only month this year where I felt any pressure.
Speaker 1: Ironically, Yeah, crazy right. My lawn looks just the deepest green.
Speaker 1: And you know I don't do anything all the weeds, yeah, basically, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: all the other stuff. Yeah, just it's a mixed bag. Man.
Speaker 2: I love your lawn.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to feed the pollinators with my lawn
Speaker 1: seating Steve, how is your lawn?
Speaker 3: We're looking, Oh it's green, it's green. That's all our care.
Speaker 1: Then yeah, yeah, we'll talk a little bit more about that.
Speaker 1: I've got a point I want to make a little
Speaker 1: later in the show, and it'll be an interesting point
Speaker 1: I think how that goes later on. We will have
Speaker 1: a really cool guest, Charlie Frank from the Cincinni Reds Foundation,
Speaker 1: will be on the Every year they do a community
Speaker 1: makeover and usually a challenge part of town and they
Speaker 1: fix up ball fields and rec centers and over the
Speaker 1: past what eight years ten years now, the Zoo has
Speaker 1: been on board helping him out along with other leaders
Speaker 1: in the community and adding a horticultural component.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Charlie's one of my favorite people. He is just
Speaker 3: a phenomenal human being and I can't wait to talk
Speaker 3: to him today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've only talked to him just a little bit,
Speaker 1: but when I have and when I've heard him speak,
Speaker 1: I agree with you. The impression is so good and
Speaker 1: what the work they're doing is absolutely amazing. So looking
Speaker 1: forward to that conversation for sure. Me I'll introduce myself.
Speaker 1: I'm manager of Botanical Garden Outreach at this Insane Potanical
Speaker 1: Garden and Zoo. Certified Arborist Ogia, Ohio Green Industry Association,
Speaker 1: Landscape Technician, Award winning writer. I got a new award
Speaker 1: just a few weeks ago. There you go, silver medal
Speaker 1: from Garden com International for one of my columns It
Speaker 1: could go gold. They had this weird thing where they
Speaker 1: give you a silver medal first and then say, hey,
Speaker 1: come to the dinner in Utah or something, you know
Speaker 1: two months later and see if you had a gold
Speaker 1: and uh that weekend. I went one time. It was
Speaker 1: a lot of fun, but uh, every time it coincides
Speaker 1: with our Plant Trials Day weekend so makes it difficult,
Speaker 1: which is great.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you're staying for the Plant Trials Day. Yeah,
Speaker 3: since you run it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would think here's the keys you guys. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, was.
Speaker 2: This a plea for you to ask Steve to let
Speaker 2: you off on the radio. Is that what that would just.
Speaker 1: Happening to put him on the spot. Yeah, yeah, no pressure, Steve,
Speaker 1: no pressure, No, no, it was not. I there's nothing
Speaker 1: I would rather do than be yet since an botanical
Speaker 1: garden or since a zoo, potanical gardening, whichever way you
Speaker 1: want to say it. For Plant Trials Day, that's something
Speaker 1: I really enjoy doing. In fact, we've got great speakers
Speaker 1: this year. I wouldn't miss it for the world. Jeff Epping, Brie, Arthur,
Speaker 1: Carrie Mendez, a guy named Kevin Vaughan who is a
Speaker 1: plant breeder from Oregon or Washington somewhere out that way.
Speaker 1: And he does some cool work. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, if he's a great speaker or not, but
Speaker 1: I know his work is cool and I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to hearing his talk and hanging out with him. A
Speaker 1: little bit.
Speaker 2: You always put such interesting people together. It's always always
Speaker 2: a wind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's a little bit of an art form.
Speaker 1: It's getting the tried and true, the ones you know
Speaker 1: who are going to be great, and then taking a
Speaker 1: little bit of a gamble on others that seem interesting
Speaker 1: that you haven't heard before. And every now and then
Speaker 1: you know that technical guy that you know isn't going
Speaker 1: to be a great speaker, but his information is so
Speaker 1: good you got to get him in, so you kind
Speaker 1: of balance it between those things and usually it turns
Speaker 1: out pretty good.
Speaker 3: And for those of you who don't know, Scott runs
Speaker 3: three symposiums at the Cincinnati Zoo and Botanical Garden on horticulture,
Speaker 3: ones on plant trials, another's the Native Plant Symposium, and
Speaker 3: the third is Sustainable Plants and Landscapes. And these are
Speaker 3: sold out for the last what seventeen, yeah, three or
Speaker 3: four years at least yea And he brings people from
Speaker 3: all over the country into the greater Cincinnati area, not
Speaker 3: just to give a talk at the Zoo in front
Speaker 3: of a highly respected group of professionals in the audience,
Speaker 3: but it brings them to the Zoo to see a
Speaker 3: little bit about what we do and how we do it,
Speaker 3: and that has had such an impact in the industry
Speaker 3: for the zoo. I can't thank Scott enough for putting
Speaker 3: that together and being so creative with the speakers, and
Speaker 3: just like you know, this program, he always has some
Speaker 3: interesting speakers on so.
Speaker 1: Dig into the well of past speakers to be guests
Speaker 1: on this show quite often, so it's symbiotic for sure.
Speaker 1: But I just want to say hello to all the
Speaker 1: folks out there on Facebook with in the Garden that
Speaker 1: Ron rothis runs and again we're looking for your calls
Speaker 1: today eight hundred eight two three eight two five five.
Speaker 1: Give us a shout with anything you want to ask us.
Speaker 1: We're going to go ahead and take our first break,
Speaker 1: and when we come back, we'll get into the National
Speaker 1: Days of That's something we always start the day with
Speaker 1: the show with. And yeah, National Days of why because
Speaker 1: they're there. We'll be right back.
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Speaker 1: And we're back. We're back. I'm Scott, John's across from me,
Speaker 1: Steve is next to him, and we are going to
Speaker 1: talk horticulture. But before we do, we're going to roll
Speaker 1: through the national days of for the month of August,
Speaker 1: the week of whatever day this is the eighth, and
Speaker 1: the days this week? And why do we do that?
Speaker 1: Because they're there? And again, how would you run your
Speaker 1: life if you didn't know what the national day of
Speaker 1: was when you got up in the morning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good question.
Speaker 3: So what is it today?
Speaker 1: Well, well, we'll start with the month. Oh and then yeah,
Speaker 1: I have a process here.
Speaker 2: What month is it?
Speaker 1: This is August?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 1: Can you believe that?
Speaker 2: I know?
Speaker 1: This year is almost well, it's more over than it's not,
Speaker 1: which blows my mind. I'm still writing twenty twenty six
Speaker 1: on my checks, as if I've written a check in
Speaker 1: the last two years or so. But anyway, So August
Speaker 1: national month of back to School month, National back to School.
Speaker 2: Month, makes sense, makes sense.
Speaker 1: It is also International Peace Month, Happiness Happens Month, and
Speaker 1: Wellness Month. And I keep thinking, there's no coincidence here
Speaker 1: these all, Matt, because it's back to school month. Of
Speaker 1: course that's going to lead to peace, happiness and wellness.
Speaker 1: Am I right?
Speaker 2: Your kids are back at school, everybody's feeling.
Speaker 1: Return to order.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1: Sandwich Month National Sandwich Month. Romance Awareness Month and then
Speaker 1: Family followed by Family Fun Month. And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: first one and then the other. Are we right? We
Speaker 1: get it?
Speaker 2: What do Yeah? That's fair. I was going to ask
Speaker 2: what do we think Romance Awareness Month means? But you
Speaker 2: answered it right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess. Yeah, it's open open to discussion, you know.
Speaker 1: But you know, people can use their imagination. We don't
Speaker 1: have to answer everything.
Speaker 2: We're horticultures.
Speaker 1: We're horticultures. Not Yeah, why am I doing this? It's
Speaker 1: Crayon Collection Month and then National Dog Month. And I
Speaker 1: think I mentioned this last week, but it's so good
Speaker 1: I have to mention it again. We had a dog
Speaker 1: eat a box crayons ones. And the next week was
Speaker 1: pure technic color I Examine Month, hair Loss Awareness Month,
Speaker 1: and Water Quality Month. That's the end of the month.
Speaker 1: Day months of for August. This week is Twins Day weekend.
Speaker 1: I'm a twin all right, that's right, you are. I've
Speaker 1: got twins. Yeah, yeah, you do have twins. I'm married
Speaker 1: to a twin.
Speaker 2: Wow, we're all kind of twin people. Yeah, we should
Speaker 2: buy a lottery ticket obviously. Uh.
Speaker 1: It's National Bargain Hunting Week and Hobo Week and kool
Speaker 1: a days week. None of those really appealed to me
Speaker 1: all that much.
Speaker 2: Hobo is a term that you don't really hear anymore.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't I think you should be careful.
Speaker 1: You just get lumped in with you might get might
Speaker 1: get kick off the radio for you. But that was
Speaker 1: speaking of romance. That was kind of a romantic image,
Speaker 1: the hobo along the railroad tracks, sitting there with a
Speaker 1: tin kettle with coffee and.
Speaker 2: The stick with a knapsack on the back of it.
Speaker 1: Exactly telling stories of immense wisdom even though they were hoboes.
Speaker 2: Apparently I had an uncle that used to jump on
Speaker 2: trains and a great great uncle and he would ride
Speaker 2: all over the country and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fun to try one time, you know, to see
Speaker 1: where you land. I'd probably wind up, you know, on
Speaker 1: you know, some train that goes to a coal mine
Speaker 1: or something.
Speaker 2: But don't do it over the plant trial days.
Speaker 1: He said, all right, finally to today, Saturday, August eighth,
Speaker 1: it's National Happiness Day. So it's Happiness month and Happiness Day,
Speaker 1: pickleball day. You guys started pickleball?
Speaker 4: You do?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the appeal to that? I've never really asked anybody.
Speaker 1: Why it's caught on so.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know why it's so big. But for me,
Speaker 2: anything moving the body and moving your feet is good
Speaker 2: for the brain. That for great for camaraderie, meeting people.
Speaker 2: If you're just in a place in your life where
Speaker 2: you're looking to establish new relationships, I think it's a
Speaker 2: great way.
Speaker 3: Because you've run out of all your old friends.
Speaker 2: You Well, that happens often to me. I got to
Speaker 2: start new every five years. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sneak some zucchini into your neighbor's porch day.
Speaker 2: That doesn't sound like sounds like you get good shot.
Speaker 2: You could get into trouble.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could a good shot.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, there's your body lying next to a couple
Speaker 1: of zucchinis. You know, not a pretty image. It tells
Speaker 1: a story. Yeah, it's not a good story. Though. It's
Speaker 1: national What a Burger Day. We don't have those here
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati. I know they're more out west.
Speaker 2: I believe never had one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean neither National Dollar Day commemorates the date
Speaker 1: that Congress unanimously chose the dollar as the official unit
Speaker 1: for American money. Can you guys remember in your lifetime
Speaker 1: at this point when the last time Congress voted unanimously
Speaker 1: for anything.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that was possible.
Speaker 1: I didn't either. I thought somebody had to raise hell
Speaker 1: and you know Abstein or you know it just but
Speaker 1: it's good. It's good that it happened at least one time.
Speaker 1: Moki Day that is apparently a sweet, chewy Japanese rice cake.
Speaker 1: Huh frozen Custer Day, Now, that's something I know and love.
Speaker 1: Global Sleep under the Stars night, good for hoboes good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And CBD Day, So CBD, as we know.
Speaker 2: Cures everything, everything everything.
Speaker 1: Tomorrow Sunday, August ninth, Book Lover's Day, Spirit of forty
Speaker 1: five Day, which honors our Greatest Generation, VEEP Day, which
Speaker 1: recognizes the day Vice President Gerald Ford took office when
Speaker 1: Nixon resigned, and celebrates the US Presidential Success Plan. Something
Speaker 1: to be very proud of in this country is that
Speaker 1: we can have leaders change over peacefully.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Yea passion fruit Day and Rice Pudding Day. Rice pudding
Speaker 1: is like my favorite thing in the world.
Speaker 2: That's a little horticulture passion fruit. Yes, you work horticulture
Speaker 2: in do you like those plants? They're a little invasive, But.
Speaker 1: Steve, this is yours.
Speaker 3: Rice pudding.
Speaker 1: No great reflection. Yeah, what are you thinking of passion
Speaker 1: fruit vine right now?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: If you saw one of our gardens, you'd you'd question
Speaker 3: whether you ever want a plant? Passion vine?
Speaker 1: But what is it about? One hundred feet of fence
Speaker 1: line ate up and every shrub and tree along.
Speaker 3: With it, and we only put in one?
Speaker 1: Is that right?
Speaker 2: I was wondering the flowers, the prettiest flowers they are. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's edible.
Speaker 3: And the kids this time of year that come back
Speaker 3: to school, you see the flower and the fruit, So
Speaker 3: it's it's worth the pain.
Speaker 2: But maybe not if you if you put it in
Speaker 2: a container, will it spread.
Speaker 3: As long as that containers not in the ground. H Yeah,
Speaker 3: it'll it'll, it'll pop up.
Speaker 1: Someone was mentioning that they thought some of that along
Speaker 1: that vine or that fence line started from seed, because
Speaker 1: there's variation in the leaves and the flowers a little bit.
Speaker 1: It's possible. Yeah, yeah, it's you know, it's like, what
Speaker 1: am I thinking? Pipe vine? If you've got a place
Speaker 1: like on a tree line or out in the back
Speaker 1: forty where you can put that in and let it
Speaker 1: be what it wants to be, it's a great plant.
Speaker 1: If you're trying to put it in your little garden. Yeah,
Speaker 1: good life.
Speaker 2: I think you got to have a good, good container
Speaker 2: program if you're going to consider it for sure and
Speaker 2: pull the fruit that way. You know. Yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't know the fruit would actually seed though. That's interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's supposedly it'll, but I've never caught it at
Speaker 1: exactly the right time because it turns into like a
Speaker 1: dry husk really fast.
Speaker 2: I've eaten it. It's like a pomegranate kind of thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: to pick it apart, lots of seeds.
Speaker 1: One of these years, I'll time it right. Monday, August tenth,
Speaker 1: Lazy Day. I can get into that, especially on a Monday,
Speaker 1: especially on a Monday when I didn't sleep at all
Speaker 1: on Friday night. So you know, maybe on Saturday and
Speaker 1: Sunday will be lazy days too. S'mor's Day, Connecticut Day,
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Speaker 1: better than the old kind.
Speaker 2: It looks good on you today.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, we uh we uh will return here in
Speaker 1: a few minutes. When we do, we'll pick up on Tuesday,
Speaker 1: August eleventh, finish out the National Days of and probably
Speaker 1: talk some horticulture. Stay tuned well.
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Speaker 1: And welcome back. I'm Scott Berlin. You're listening to That's
Speaker 1: Garden with Scott Berlin, and I'm here with Steve Foltz,
Speaker 1: my boss, greatest man ever, director of Horticulture at the
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Botanical Garden and Zoo, and John Butcher, CEO of
Speaker 1: Madison Tree Care and Landscape here in Cincinnati. Again. Good
Speaker 1: morning to you guys, and thanks for being here.
Speaker 2: Good morning, thank you.
Speaker 1: Should I continue these days of or should we just
Speaker 1: not do them?
Speaker 2: They're interesting?
Speaker 1: They are interesting. Yeah, okay, we'll continue. So Tuesday, August eleventh,
Speaker 1: Sons and Daughters Day. Now you have an I do.
Speaker 1: I have two sons, but you have sons and daughters daughter. Well,
Speaker 1: enjoy that day that's on Tuesday. Round everybody up and
Speaker 1: have a good family feast and all kinds of fun.
Speaker 2: I'm going to be an empty nester in another couple
Speaker 2: of weeks he's going away.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, even more reason for pickleball on some socializing.
Speaker 2: And to get together and have this little dinner.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, very good. Yeah, congratulations on that.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: It's going to Ohio State, right, oh you?
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Tuesday's also Presidential Joke Day, and it's like what day
Speaker 1: is in a presidential joke day? I mean, going back
Speaker 1: a million years, it's every day is a presidential joke day.
Speaker 1: If you can't laugh at the president, who can you
Speaker 1: laugh at?
Speaker 2: Good question?
Speaker 1: You know, so many steps up and says I want
Speaker 1: to be president. Great. I hope you do a good job,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna laugh at you.
Speaker 2: Some of them take it better than others.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the sand Day could be fun. My granddaughter has
Speaker 1: a nice little sandbox. Raspberry Day and Kinetic Sand Day.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is about Tuesday, August eleventh
Speaker 1: and sand but two different sand days. I didn't know
Speaker 1: what kinetic sand was. You do, you guys know? It's
Speaker 1: some kind of toy.
Speaker 2: It's a pretty magnetic or something like.
Speaker 1: It celebrates the mouldiple squeezable sand that never dries out.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it's something kids can play with
Speaker 1: and absorb. You know, possibly germs and chemicals. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Raspberry's are horticulture. That's another.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and so good, delicious, pretty easy to grow,
Speaker 1: pretty easy to grow. Yeah. Wednesday, August twelfth, Middle child Day.
Speaker 1: I think middle childs have it pretty I was the oldest,
Speaker 1: and that's like no good that. I would never recommend
Speaker 1: anybody to have an oldest.
Speaker 2: Child, no kids at all.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, okay, it doesn't work good. But the
Speaker 1: middle kid sneaks, spy and of course, Steve, you're the baby.
Speaker 1: I'm the youngest, and they don't even know where you are,
Speaker 1: what you're doing, and don't care. They're just like they've
Speaker 1: been broken down by all the older kids.
Speaker 3: You better believe it. That is so true.
Speaker 2: I think you need older brothers like mine before you
Speaker 2: make your comment about a middle kid sneaking by ooh ooh,
Speaker 2: that sounds loaded.
Speaker 6: It is.
Speaker 1: And Wednesday is also Julian FRI's Day. Thursday August thirteenth,
Speaker 1: it's an expensive day of day is Prosecco day and
Speaker 1: Filet mignon day, So save up and then do Thursday August.
Speaker 2: Thirteenth, Right, it's a filet mignon and little prosecco.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the best day I've heard so far.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, you can argue with that.
Speaker 2: I'll let you have my prosecco.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, you're not you're not drinking.
Speaker 2: No, I'll have Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's right. You drink wine, but not prosecco.
Speaker 2: Right, it's a little too sweet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is pretty sweet. And some people the bubbles
Speaker 1: don't agree with them. So I can drink anything you
Speaker 1: can and do I will. That might be a fair deal. Finally,
Speaker 1: now rounding it up, Friday, August fourteenth, Cream Sickle Day
Speaker 1: and Navajo Code Talker's Day. And I think the story
Speaker 1: of the Navajo code doctors was pretty darn cool. Uh
Speaker 1: do you are you familiar?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 2: I don't know about this.
Speaker 1: Oh well, these these were Navajo tribe folks during World
Speaker 1: War Two in the army and when the Army needed
Speaker 1: to communicate across radio and they knew that it could
Speaker 1: be heard by the Japanese. I think this is almost
Speaker 1: always in the Pacific. It might have been in the
Speaker 1: Atlantic theater also, Uh, these Navajo would just talk back
Speaker 1: and forth in Navajo and there is no way either
Speaker 1: Japan or anybody in Japan or Germany. We're gonna know
Speaker 1: what language it was, or have a translate, you know,
Speaker 1: handy translator for navajo in Germany. Idea, Yeah, really cool one.
Speaker 1: The story is really neat. If you have a chance
Speaker 1: to look it up sometime.
Speaker 2: You ow to do it, all right. Finally to horticulture.
Speaker 1: You guys, ready, ready, ready, it's time for We need
Speaker 1: a drum roll or something. Time for Danny. Do you
Speaker 1: have a drum roll? Oh? Man, bad timing. The computer
Speaker 1: is rebooting. Maybe next time. Anyway, it is time for
Speaker 1: favorite plants right now, and uh I'll start it just
Speaker 1: to break the ice a little bit. It's not fair
Speaker 1: to make a guest start it, although I've done that
Speaker 1: in the past. Let's see here, I'm going to mention
Speaker 1: a weird one and it's not even the greatest garden
Speaker 1: plant ever, but I just love it because the flower
Speaker 1: is so cool. Compania lastrum americanam and I don't even
Speaker 1: know the common name for it, but it's sort of
Speaker 1: a weedy thing that looks kind of like that bachelor's
Speaker 1: button that goes alongside the road, and it has sort
Speaker 1: of a compania like flower that's just a little bit
Speaker 1: more complex and really really cool, great blue collar too,
Speaker 1: So that's kind of out of the blue. I don't
Speaker 1: recommend anybody growing unless you have a weedy spot. Is
Speaker 1: a native you know, you can fit it into a
Speaker 1: very natural garden fairly well. But I planted at once
Speaker 1: and every now and then it seeds from way back
Speaker 1: and I just let it grow because I really do
Speaker 1: do like it.
Speaker 2: John, You know, this is a tree that's been around forever,
Speaker 2: but I just don't seem used that much. Pecan trees,
Speaker 2: I think make a great treat of work into your landscape,
Speaker 2: and they're not sold often, and it's something a little
Speaker 2: different and it'll give us some diversity in the landscape.
Speaker 2: But we have a couple huge ones on Madison Trees property,
Speaker 2: do you. They're just fantastic trees. And they don't produce
Speaker 2: the seed anymore either, so we don't have to clean
Speaker 2: that mess up, although I would be happy to clean
Speaker 2: up a bunch of pecans right around it.
Speaker 1: Excellent, And that's that hard to open, yeah, compared to
Speaker 1: like a walnut.
Speaker 2: And so if you could grow that, have a great
Speaker 2: tree and end up with an edible fruit that came
Speaker 2: out of it too, I think it just those are
Speaker 2: kind of those extra winds that you get out.
Speaker 1: Of course people don't know this, but it's actually a hickory.
Speaker 1: It's in that genus.
Speaker 2: It is in the hickory family.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, and I think it's native to Ohio. Carria, Illinois
Speaker 2: insist just barely. I think I think there's at least
Speaker 2: one county in Ohio that Lucy Brown calls it native to. Ye,
Speaker 2: there may be more than one, but I'm pretty positive
Speaker 2: there's at least one because we used them at the
Speaker 2: and the Grove Thousand Trees Grove at Ohio State when
Speaker 2: I was in school there.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we've got we just put a grove in yeah,
Speaker 1: at the witting Hills at the Winton.
Speaker 3: Hills Tree School. We'll be talking about at eight o'clock.
Speaker 1: Yeah, with Charlie Frank, which will be a great conversation
Speaker 1: and what a neat idea that was. We'll bring it
Speaker 1: back up at that time. Uh, Steve, what's what's rocking
Speaker 1: in your world? Right now?
Speaker 3: You're gonna get You're gonna be shocked by this. Okay,
Speaker 3: sun sugar tomato. Ah, the little kind of yellowish orange
Speaker 3: cherry tomato. Yeah, that, like you said, we picked you know,
Speaker 3: a lot of them every day now in our garden.
Speaker 3: And I'm not much of a vegetable gardener. I've got
Speaker 3: my zucchini and my you know.
Speaker 1: The the sun basic, the staples.
Speaker 3: But man, the good you pulled sun sugar tomatoes and
Speaker 3: you get that Marge Eddies ranch dressing. There's nothing better
Speaker 3: than snacking on that in the afternoon.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, nothing like you just going out in the
Speaker 1: garden picking a tomato that's still hot in the sun.
Speaker 1: It's got a little dirt on it, and you just
Speaker 1: pop in your mouth and eat it, and it's it's
Speaker 1: the best.
Speaker 2: Not much better, much better than that. How big is
Speaker 2: this variety? Like normal cherry tomato size? It's not the
Speaker 2: tiny little ones.
Speaker 3: No, no, just cherry tomato. But it is sweet and
Speaker 3: easy to grow. I can even grow it, so it
Speaker 3: mustn't be easy.
Speaker 1: I'm going to chime in here with a very common plant.
Speaker 1: But it's rocking it right now. It looks so good
Speaker 1: out there. Peroskia. You know, it's sort of a poor
Speaker 1: man's lavender. You know, we can actually grow it in
Speaker 1: our hot, humid, heavy clay soils around here and much
Speaker 1: of the United States. New varieties out there that kind
Speaker 1: of bring it down the size a little bit, so
Speaker 1: if it's in a garden, a little better and less
Speaker 1: likely to flop over. But you know that just if
Speaker 1: you have a hot sunny spot and you need some
Speaker 1: silvery blue, you can't beat peroskia.
Speaker 2: And you don't have to do much to take care
Speaker 2: of them right there. You put them in and just
Speaker 2: get a little bit of water to get them started,
Speaker 2: and they're good.
Speaker 1: To go pretty much.
Speaker 6: It.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you do have to pinch your nose when
Speaker 2: you cut them back in the fall. It's the only
Speaker 2: thing that I kind of like the smell to. Maybe
Speaker 2: maybe your senses are dulled in your this point in
Speaker 2: your career.
Speaker 1: There's no reason they wouldn't be so John you, so
Speaker 1: you just not mine what is yours so I have
Speaker 1: a chance to hit back.
Speaker 2: It wasn't a knock, It was just a combat. My
Speaker 2: employees regularly are like they're cutting back the Russian stage,
Speaker 2: you know. Oh yeah, you know it's seems so obvious
Speaker 2: and so out there, but the hydrode of peniculatas are
Speaker 2: just amazing this time of year, and there's just nothing
Speaker 2: with better color and a show. Uh, you know that
Speaker 2: you got to be careful with certain neighborhoods. The deer
Speaker 2: will munch on them and you may need to put
Speaker 2: a little protection up to get them started and big
Speaker 2: enough to get over the browse line, or just in
Speaker 2: spots where the deer aren't so prevalent. But the color
Speaker 2: that they produce in the length of time is unparalleled.
Speaker 2: For there's a couple close, but that's just such a
Speaker 2: good plant.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about it the other day. I was
Speaker 1: driving somewhere and there were a bunch of them out there,
Speaker 1: you know, and mostly in commercial landscapes. Do you see
Speaker 1: them a lot? And well, you see them everywhere now,
Speaker 1: But I was thinking, you know, it's pretty much the
Speaker 1: perfect landscape shrub. You know, it's tough as nails, it's
Speaker 1: showy as can be in the summertime, and you know
Speaker 1: it's going to perform for you.
Speaker 2: And you can be the worst pruner in the world
Speaker 2: and whack it back over the winter and it almost
Speaker 2: doesn't matter where you cut it, and the thing just
Speaker 2: comes back happier than ever the next season. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: And you know, I was thinking also about this when
Speaker 1: I started at the zoo, and you know, about fifteen
Speaker 1: sixteen years ago, now there was what tard dive and
Speaker 1: PG and not a whole lot more. And now there
Speaker 1: are probably hundreds of varieties and they just get, you know, better, smaller, better,
Speaker 1: more floriferous. Whatever you want, you can now find it
Speaker 1: in a hydrange of peniculata.
Speaker 2: The big thing is if, especially with the tree formed ones,
Speaker 2: is finding one that you know getting it so when
Speaker 2: the balloom comes, they don't just completely flop over, right.
Speaker 2: That's the one of the tough parts of that plant.
Speaker 3: That's a great one. I don't know how you can
Speaker 3: knock him on that one, Scott, I can't.
Speaker 2: Yeah you can.
Speaker 1: You commoner there it is. It's not native. You took
Speaker 1: an easy, easy approach. Yeah, you know what, when we
Speaker 1: come back, Steve, we'll come back to you for another plant.
Speaker 1: Always fun to do the favorite plants right now, so
Speaker 1: we'll keep doing them. We'll be back in just a
Speaker 1: couple of minutes.
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Speaker 1: And welcome back. I am Scott Berlin. You're listening to
Speaker 1: let's garden with me, and I am with the illustrious,
Speaker 1: the brilliant, the unquestionably greatest in the world horticulturists, except
Speaker 1: for like the other guests, I routinely have John Butcher
Speaker 1: from Madison Tree, Air and Landscape here in Cincinnati say hello, Hey,
Speaker 1: And Steve Fold's my boss, director of horticulture at the
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Zoo and Botanical Garden. And we just got an
Speaker 1: award again from the Perennial Plan Association for our Communication,
Speaker 1: Community and Education outreach.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty cool. It's very cool.
Speaker 1: They just keep coming in. We just keep doing the
Speaker 1: work and we'll keep getting it done.
Speaker 2: You got to do cool stuff over there. That's why
Speaker 2: you're earning it, right, But we don't do it for
Speaker 2: the awards.
Speaker 1: We never have. You do what's right and you do
Speaker 1: it as the best you can, and maybe the awards come,
Speaker 1: maybe they don't. It's nice when they do, but the
Speaker 1: satisfaction of doing the job right is what matters the most.
Speaker 2: Couldn't agree more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Steve, it's your turn. What is one of
Speaker 1: your favorite plants? Right now? All right?
Speaker 3: Since John's here, I have to go scarlet oak of
Speaker 3: all the oaks. Well, I do like white oak, but
Speaker 3: scarlet you get that great brilliant scarlet fall color. It
Speaker 3: can't be beat. You don't see as many planted but
Speaker 3: if you look at some of the older trees around
Speaker 3: the greater Cincinnati area. There's more scarlet oak out there
Speaker 3: than you think.
Speaker 1: It's a tough, adaptable tree. You know. People say, oh,
Speaker 1: two things about oaks people say that I disagree with vehemently, vehemently.
Speaker 1: One is they don't get good fall color wrong, especially
Speaker 1: with scarlet oak, but any almost all the others. Still
Speaker 1: it's a little bit more muted than say a red maple,
Speaker 1: but it comes later and it's all oaks always look
Speaker 1: great in the fall to me. And the other thing
Speaker 1: is that oaks grow slow, and I disagree with that too.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: You know, we planted this scarlet oak at the night
Speaker 1: Hunter's exhibit in what was probably twenty twelve, and that's
Speaker 1: a big tree now, so.
Speaker 3: It's one right next to the carousel that took off. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we've been getting scarlet oak and a container and you know,
Speaker 3: so you avoid that, you know, root shock and digging,
Speaker 3: and that's changed everything for me as far as trusting
Speaker 3: an oak for transplanting.
Speaker 2: It's a good point. Container growth is good and you
Speaker 2: got to take certain precautions with with container plants, and
Speaker 2: definitely still manage the roots and make sure your root
Speaker 2: at the right height. There's there's but overall I agree
Speaker 2: with Steve, it's just takes out so much of the
Speaker 2: transplant shock when it's done well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's it makes planting a larger tree more
Speaker 1: accessible to almost everybody. You know, if you're gonna get
Speaker 1: a two inch PMB, you better have an F two fifty.
Speaker 1: You know, if you get a twenty gallon a plant,
Speaker 1: you can put throat in your trunk and wrap a
Speaker 1: flag on it. Definitely wrap the tree up so it's
Speaker 1: not blowing in the wind. But you know, a regular
Speaker 1: homeowner with just a car can find a way to
Speaker 1: get it home. Or you just called John, Yeah, John,
Speaker 1: plant this tree for me.
Speaker 2: Happy to help always, I will say. On the scarlet oaks,
Speaker 2: it's really easy to lump them into just the red
Speaker 2: oak category, right because they are in the red oak family.
Speaker 2: And you know, you've got shoe mart oak and the
Speaker 2: scarlet oak and the red oak northern red you know,
Speaker 2: so there's all these things that are similar, but there
Speaker 2: are some when you when you really analyze that, there
Speaker 2: are some real differences that you can point out with
Speaker 2: the scarlet oaks, which may be really difficult when it's
Speaker 2: an eighty foot tall tree and you don't have the
Speaker 2: leaves right in front of you, and it's not and
Speaker 2: it's striking fall color form. You really have to have
Speaker 2: an eye for it to be able to pick that
Speaker 2: one out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to go on a little bit of
Speaker 1: a rent here on my next plant though it's really
Speaker 1: a group of plants. It's conventional plants, old school nursery stock,
Speaker 1: garden center staples, you know. Just came back from a
Speaker 1: week at the Perennial Plant Association and it was wonderful.
Speaker 1: It was great, a lot of focus on naturalism, which
Speaker 1: I do like a lot when especially when it's done
Speaker 1: really well.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: But we followed that nearly a full week of that,
Speaker 1: and then we went to ball Flora their their their
Speaker 1: display gardens in West Chicago, and it was just such
Speaker 1: like a relief to see a real showy good old
Speaker 1: school plants, annuals, perennials. Some of it mixed in with
Speaker 1: the new perennial stuff or new native stuff and work great.
Speaker 1: But we can't throw the what is it the baby
Speaker 1: out with the bathwater. I think when some of the
Speaker 1: with some of these things that seemed to be the
Speaker 1: forward the future of horticulture, and uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: want to draw particular attention to one bed that I
Speaker 1: saw where uh they have sort of these concrete bunker containers.
Speaker 1: That sounds terrible, but they're beautiful. Uh you know, cement
Speaker 1: containers sort of embedded in the side of a hill.
Speaker 1: And those were filled with annuals, right, colorful, really well matched,
Speaker 1: really well designed, and surrounded completely by sparabolas on the ground.
Speaker 1: And it was a really cool look. And you know,
Speaker 1: I think we're going to wrap up favorite plants. Did
Speaker 1: you guys have a bunch you wanted to fit Always
Speaker 1: have continuous, always have plants to talk. Well, maybe we'll
Speaker 1: do one more round when we get back. You're listening,
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