WEBVTT - Let's Garden with Scott Beuerlein 8/8/2026 Hour 1

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning. How's everybody out there and in here? This

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<v Speaker 1>is Let's Garden with Scott Berlin. I am Scott, and

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<v Speaker 1>I am joined today by two incredible horticulturists, guys that

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<v Speaker 1>can answer any question. I hope you call with your

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<v Speaker 1>questions because they can answer it like nobody else can.

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<v Speaker 1>Your Your chance of getting a perfect answer is one

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<v Speaker 1>with these guys.

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<v Speaker 2>No pressure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, anybody else, it's you know, the other guests I

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<v Speaker 1>bring on. It's in the upper nine. But these guys

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<v Speaker 1>are one hundred percent. And I am I am glad

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<v Speaker 1>you're both here, Jim or I'm sorry, John Butcher, John Butcher,

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<v Speaker 1>Madison Tree Care and Landscape. How's it going, Scott, I

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<v Speaker 1>got no sleep last night. We'll see how it goes.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get you through it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I feel like I'm already sounding like a lunatic,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's probably normal anyway, normal. And I'm with Steve Foltz,

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<v Speaker 1>my boss, a director of horticulture at the Cincinnati Botanical

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<v Speaker 1>Garden and Zoo.

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<v Speaker 3>Good morning, Good morning, Scott, Good morning, John morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Steve, Good morning, John boy. Yes, oh man, memories of

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<v Speaker 1>that so man. It has been a rainy couple of

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<v Speaker 1>days at my house at least I got well over

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<v Speaker 1>three inches yesterday and it poured, it came down hard.

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<v Speaker 1>There was lightning that made me say things I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>proud of.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been really good for the plants. The rain nice,

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<v Speaker 2>timely all summer, no real drought stress. April was probably

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<v Speaker 2>the only month this year where I felt any pressure.

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<v Speaker 1>Ironically, Yeah, crazy right. My lawn looks just the deepest green.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know I don't do anything all the weeds, yeah, basically, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>all the other stuff. Yeah, just it's a mixed bag. Man.

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<v Speaker 2>I love your lawn.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm trying to feed the pollinators with my lawn

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<v Speaker 1>seating Steve, how is your lawn?

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<v Speaker 3>We're looking, Oh it's green, it's green. That's all our care.

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<v Speaker 1>Then yeah, yeah, we'll talk a little bit more about that.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a point I want to make a little

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<v Speaker 1>later in the show, and it'll be an interesting point

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<v Speaker 1>I think how that goes later on. We will have

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<v Speaker 1>a really cool guest, Charlie Frank from the Cincinni Reds Foundation,

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<v Speaker 1>will be on the Every year they do a community

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<v Speaker 1>makeover and usually a challenge part of town and they

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<v Speaker 1>fix up ball fields and rec centers and over the

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<v Speaker 1>past what eight years ten years now, the Zoo has

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<v Speaker 1>been on board helping him out along with other leaders

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<v Speaker 1>in the community and adding a horticultural component.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Charlie's one of my favorite people. He is just

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<v Speaker 3>a phenomenal human being and I can't wait to talk

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<v Speaker 3>to him today.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've only talked to him just a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>but when I have and when I've heard him speak,

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with you. The impression is so good and

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<v Speaker 1>what the work they're doing is absolutely amazing. So looking

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<v Speaker 1>forward to that conversation for sure. Me I'll introduce myself.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm manager of Botanical Garden Outreach at this Insane Potanical

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<v Speaker 1>Garden and Zoo. Certified Arborist Ogia, Ohio Green Industry Association,

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<v Speaker 1>Landscape Technician, Award winning writer. I got a new award

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<v Speaker 1>just a few weeks ago. There you go, silver medal

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<v Speaker 1>from Garden com International for one of my columns It

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<v Speaker 1>could go gold. They had this weird thing where they

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<v Speaker 1>give you a silver medal first and then say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>come to the dinner in Utah or something, you know

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<v Speaker 1>two months later and see if you had a gold

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<v Speaker 1>and uh that weekend. I went one time. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of fun, but uh, every time it coincides

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<v Speaker 1>with our Plant Trials Day weekend so makes it difficult,

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<v Speaker 1>which is great.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm glad you're staying for the Plant Trials Day. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>since you run it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that would think here's the keys you guys. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, was.

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<v Speaker 2>This a plea for you to ask Steve to let

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<v Speaker 2>you off on the radio. Is that what that would just.

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<v Speaker 1>Happening to put him on the spot. Yeah, yeah, no pressure, Steve,

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<v Speaker 1>no pressure, No, no, it was not. I there's nothing

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<v Speaker 1>I would rather do than be yet since an botanical

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<v Speaker 1>garden or since a zoo, potanical gardening, whichever way you

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<v Speaker 1>want to say it. For Plant Trials Day, that's something

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<v Speaker 1>I really enjoy doing. In fact, we've got great speakers

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<v Speaker 1>this year. I wouldn't miss it for the world. Jeff Epping, Brie, Arthur,

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<v Speaker 1>Carrie Mendez, a guy named Kevin Vaughan who is a

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<v Speaker 1>plant breeder from Oregon or Washington somewhere out that way.

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<v Speaker 1>And he does some cool work. And I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if he's a great speaker or not, but

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<v Speaker 1>I know his work is cool and I'm looking forward

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<v Speaker 1>to hearing his talk and hanging out with him. A

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<v Speaker 1>little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>You always put such interesting people together. It's always always

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<v Speaker 2>a wind.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, it's a little bit of an art form.

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<v Speaker 1>It's getting the tried and true, the ones you know

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<v Speaker 1>who are going to be great, and then taking a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of a gamble on others that seem interesting

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<v Speaker 1>that you haven't heard before. And every now and then

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<v Speaker 1>you know that technical guy that you know isn't going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a great speaker, but his information is so

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<v Speaker 1>good you got to get him in, so you kind

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<v Speaker 1>of balance it between those things and usually it turns

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<v Speaker 1>out pretty good.

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<v Speaker 3>And for those of you who don't know, Scott runs

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<v Speaker 3>three symposiums at the Cincinnati Zoo and Botanical Garden on horticulture,

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<v Speaker 3>ones on plant trials, another's the Native Plant Symposium, and

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<v Speaker 3>the third is Sustainable Plants and Landscapes. And these are

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<v Speaker 3>sold out for the last what seventeen, yeah, three or

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<v Speaker 3>four years at least yea And he brings people from

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<v Speaker 3>all over the country into the greater Cincinnati area, not

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<v Speaker 3>just to give a talk at the Zoo in front

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<v Speaker 3>of a highly respected group of professionals in the audience,

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<v Speaker 3>but it brings them to the Zoo to see a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit about what we do and how we do it,

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<v Speaker 3>and that has had such an impact in the industry

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<v Speaker 3>for the zoo. I can't thank Scott enough for putting

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<v Speaker 3>that together and being so creative with the speakers, and

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<v Speaker 3>just like you know, this program, he always has some

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<v Speaker 3>interesting speakers on so.

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<v Speaker 1>Dig into the well of past speakers to be guests

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<v Speaker 1>on this show quite often, so it's symbiotic for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>But I just want to say hello to all the

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<v Speaker 1>folks out there on Facebook with in the Garden that

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<v Speaker 1>Ron rothis runs and again we're looking for your calls

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<v Speaker 1>today eight hundred eight two three eight two five five.

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<v Speaker 1>Give us a shout with anything you want to ask us.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to go ahead and take our first break,

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<v Speaker 1>and when we come back, we'll get into the National

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<v Speaker 1>Days of That's something we always start the day with

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<v Speaker 1>the show with. And yeah, National Days of why because

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<v Speaker 1>they're there. We'll be right back.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're back. We're back. I'm Scott, John's across from me,

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<v Speaker 1>Steve is next to him, and we are going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk horticulture. But before we do, we're going to roll

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<v Speaker 1>through the national days of for the month of August,

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<v Speaker 1>the week of whatever day this is the eighth, and

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<v Speaker 1>the days this week? And why do we do that?

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<v Speaker 1>Because they're there? And again, how would you run your

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<v Speaker 1>life if you didn't know what the national day of

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<v Speaker 1>was when you got up in the morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, good question.

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<v Speaker 3>So what is it today?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, well, we'll start with the month. Oh and then yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a process here.

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<v Speaker 2>What month is it?

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<v Speaker 1>This is August?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you believe that?

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<v Speaker 2>I know?

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<v Speaker 1>This year is almost well, it's more over than it's not,

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<v Speaker 1>which blows my mind. I'm still writing twenty twenty six

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<v Speaker 1>on my checks, as if I've written a check in

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<v Speaker 1>the last two years or so. But anyway, So August

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<v Speaker 1>national month of back to School month, National back to School.

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<v Speaker 2>Month, makes sense, makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>It is also International Peace Month, Happiness Happens Month, and

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<v Speaker 1>Wellness Month. And I keep thinking, there's no coincidence here

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<v Speaker 1>these all, Matt, because it's back to school month. Of

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<v Speaker 1>course that's going to lead to peace, happiness and wellness.

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<v Speaker 1>Am I right?

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<v Speaker 2>Your kids are back at school, everybody's feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>Return to order.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's fair.

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<v Speaker 1>Sandwich Month National Sandwich Month. Romance Awareness Month and then

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<v Speaker 1>Family followed by Family Fun Month. And I'm like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>first one and then the other. Are we right? We

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<v Speaker 1>get it?

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<v Speaker 2>What do Yeah? That's fair. I was going to ask

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<v Speaker 2>what do we think Romance Awareness Month means? But you

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<v Speaker 2>answered it right there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess. Yeah, it's open open to discussion, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, people can use their imagination. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to answer everything.

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<v Speaker 2>We're horticultures.

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<v Speaker 1>We're horticultures. Not Yeah, why am I doing this? It's

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<v Speaker 1>Crayon Collection Month and then National Dog Month. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think I mentioned this last week, but it's so good

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<v Speaker 1>I have to mention it again. We had a dog

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<v Speaker 1>eat a box crayons ones. And the next week was

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<v Speaker 1>pure technic color I Examine Month, hair Loss Awareness Month,

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<v Speaker 1>and Water Quality Month. That's the end of the month.

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<v Speaker 1>Day months of for August. This week is Twins Day weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a twin all right, that's right, you are. I've

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<v Speaker 1>got twins. Yeah, yeah, you do have twins. I'm married

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<v Speaker 1>to a twin.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, we're all kind of twin people. Yeah, we should

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<v Speaker 2>buy a lottery ticket obviously. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>It's National Bargain Hunting Week and Hobo Week and kool

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<v Speaker 1>a days week. None of those really appealed to me

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<v Speaker 1>all that much.

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<v Speaker 2>Hobo is a term that you don't really hear anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I don't I think you should be careful.

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<v Speaker 1>You just get lumped in with you might get might

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<v Speaker 1>get kick off the radio for you. But that was

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<v Speaker 1>speaking of romance. That was kind of a romantic image,

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<v Speaker 1>the hobo along the railroad tracks, sitting there with a

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<v Speaker 1>tin kettle with coffee and.

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<v Speaker 2>The stick with a knapsack on the back of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly telling stories of immense wisdom even though they were hoboes.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently I had an uncle that used to jump on

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<v Speaker 2>trains and a great great uncle and he would ride

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<v Speaker 2>all over the country and.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, fun to try one time, you know, to see

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<v Speaker 1>where you land. I'd probably wind up, you know, on

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<v Speaker 1>you know, some train that goes to a coal mine

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<v Speaker 1>or something.

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<v Speaker 2>But don't do it over the plant trial days.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, all right, finally to today, Saturday, August eighth,

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<v Speaker 1>it's National Happiness Day. So it's Happiness month and Happiness Day,

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<v Speaker 1>pickleball day. You guys started pickleball?

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<v Speaker 4>You do?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what's the appeal to that? I've never really asked anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Why it's caught on so.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know why it's so big. But for me,

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<v Speaker 2>anything moving the body and moving your feet is good

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<v Speaker 2>for the brain. That for great for camaraderie, meeting people.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're just in a place in your life where

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<v Speaker 2>you're looking to establish new relationships, I think it's a

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<v Speaker 2>great way.

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<v Speaker 3>Because you've run out of all your old friends.

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<v Speaker 2>You Well, that happens often to me. I got to

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<v Speaker 2>start new every five years. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Sneak some zucchini into your neighbor's porch day.

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<v Speaker 2>That doesn't sound like sounds like you get good shot.

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<v Speaker 2>You could get into trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you could a good shot.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there's your body lying next to a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of zucchinis. You know, not a pretty image. It tells

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<v Speaker 1>a story. Yeah, it's not a good story. Though. It's

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<v Speaker 1>national What a Burger Day. We don't have those here

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<v Speaker 1>in Cincinnati. I know they're more out west.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe never had one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean neither National Dollar Day commemorates the date

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<v Speaker 1>that Congress unanimously chose the dollar as the official unit

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<v Speaker 1>for American money. Can you guys remember in your lifetime

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<v Speaker 1>at this point when the last time Congress voted unanimously

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<v Speaker 1>for anything.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know that was possible.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't either. I thought somebody had to raise hell

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<v Speaker 1>and you know Abstein or you know it just but

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<v Speaker 1>it's good. It's good that it happened at least one time.

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<v Speaker 1>Moki Day that is apparently a sweet, chewy Japanese rice cake.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh frozen Custer Day, Now, that's something I know and love.

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<v Speaker 1>Global Sleep under the Stars night, good for hoboes good. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And CBD Day, So CBD, as we know.

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<v Speaker 2>Cures everything, everything everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Tomorrow Sunday, August ninth, Book Lover's Day, Spirit of forty

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<v Speaker 1>five Day, which honors our Greatest Generation, VEEP Day, which

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<v Speaker 1>recognizes the day Vice President Gerald Ford took office when

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<v Speaker 1>Nixon resigned, and celebrates the US Presidential Success Plan. Something

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<v Speaker 1>to be very proud of in this country is that

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<v Speaker 1>we can have leaders change over peacefully.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>Yea passion fruit Day and Rice Pudding Day. Rice pudding

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<v Speaker 1>is like my favorite thing in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a little horticulture passion fruit. Yes, you work horticulture

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<v Speaker 2>in do you like those plants? They're a little invasive, But.

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<v Speaker 1>Steve, this is yours.

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<v Speaker 3>Rice pudding.

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<v Speaker 1>No great reflection. Yeah, what are you thinking of passion

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<v Speaker 1>fruit vine right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>If you saw one of our gardens, you'd you'd question

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<v Speaker 3>whether you ever want a plant? Passion vine?

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<v Speaker 1>But what is it about? One hundred feet of fence

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<v Speaker 1>line ate up and every shrub and tree along.

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<v Speaker 3>With it, and we only put in one?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that right?

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<v Speaker 2>I was wondering the flowers, the prettiest flowers they are. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's edible.

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<v Speaker 3>And the kids this time of year that come back

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<v Speaker 3>to school, you see the flower and the fruit, So

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's worth the pain.

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<v Speaker 2>But maybe not if you if you put it in

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<v Speaker 2>a container, will it spread.

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<v Speaker 3>As long as that containers not in the ground. H Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it'll it'll, it'll pop up.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone was mentioning that they thought some of that along

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<v Speaker 1>that vine or that fence line started from seed, because

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<v Speaker 1>there's variation in the leaves and the flowers a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>It's possible. Yeah, yeah, it's you know, it's like, what

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<v Speaker 1>am I thinking? Pipe vine? If you've got a place

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<v Speaker 1>like on a tree line or out in the back

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<v Speaker 1>forty where you can put that in and let it

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<v Speaker 1>be what it wants to be, it's a great plant.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're trying to put it in your little garden. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>good life.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you got to have a good, good container

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<v Speaker 2>program if you're going to consider it for sure and

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<v Speaker 2>pull the fruit that way. You know. Yeah, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know the fruit would actually seed though. That's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's supposedly it'll, but I've never caught it at

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<v Speaker 1>exactly the right time because it turns into like a

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<v Speaker 1>dry husk really fast.

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<v Speaker 2>I've eaten it. It's like a pomegranate kind of thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>to pick it apart, lots of seeds.

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<v Speaker 1>One of these years, I'll time it right. Monday, August tenth,

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<v Speaker 1>Lazy Day. I can get into that, especially on a Monday,

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<v Speaker 1>especially on a Monday when I didn't sleep at all

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<v Speaker 1>on Friday night. So you know, maybe on Saturday and

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday will be lazy days too. S'mor's Day, Connecticut Day,

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<v Speaker 1>and here's a good one. Shapewear Day, August tenth to

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<v Speaker 1>honor the history, evolution, and confidence boosting benefits of modern

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<v Speaker 1>historical corsets. To today's comfortable, breathable and versatile body shaping pieces.

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<v Speaker 1>I know I really enjoy my new course. It much

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<v Speaker 1>better than the old kind.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks good on you today.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, we uh we uh will return here in

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<v Speaker 1>a few minutes. When we do, we'll pick up on Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 1>August eleventh, finish out the National Days of and probably

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<v Speaker 1>talk some horticulture. Stay tuned well.

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<v Speaker 1>And welcome back. I'm Scott Berlin. You're listening to That's

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<v Speaker 1>Garden with Scott Berlin, and I'm here with Steve Foltz,

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<v Speaker 1>my boss, greatest man ever, director of Horticulture at the

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<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati Botanical Garden and Zoo, and John Butcher, CEO of

0:22:40.640 --> 0:22:44.840
<v Speaker 1>Madison Tree Care and Landscape here in Cincinnati. Again. Good

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<v Speaker 1>morning to you guys, and thanks for being here.

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Should I continue these days of or should we just

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<v Speaker 1>not do them?

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<v Speaker 2>They're interesting?

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<v Speaker 1>They are interesting. Yeah, okay, we'll continue. So Tuesday, August eleventh,

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<v Speaker 1>Sons and Daughters Day. Now you have an I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I have two sons, but you have sons and daughters daughter. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy that day that's on Tuesday. Round everybody up and

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<v Speaker 1>have a good family feast and all kinds of fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be an empty nester in another couple

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<v Speaker 2>of weeks he's going away.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, even more reason for pickleball on some socializing.

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<v Speaker 2>And to get together and have this little dinner.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, very good. Yeah, congratulations on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to Ohio State, right, oh you?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Tuesday's also Presidential Joke Day, and it's like what day

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<v Speaker 1>is in a presidential joke day? I mean, going back

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<v Speaker 1>a million years, it's every day is a presidential joke day.

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<v Speaker 1>If you can't laugh at the president, who can you

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<v Speaker 1>laugh at?

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<v Speaker 2>Good question?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, so many steps up and says I want

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<v Speaker 1>to be president. Great. I hope you do a good job,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm gonna laugh at you.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of them take it better than others.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the sand Day could be fun. My granddaughter has

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<v Speaker 1>a nice little sandbox. Raspberry Day and Kinetic Sand Day.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what it is about Tuesday, August eleventh

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<v Speaker 1>and sand but two different sand days. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>what kinetic sand was. You do, you guys know? It's

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of toy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a pretty magnetic or something like.

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<v Speaker 1>It celebrates the mouldiple squeezable sand that never dries out.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I think it's something kids can play with

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<v Speaker 1>and absorb. You know, possibly germs and chemicals. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Raspberry's are horticulture. That's another.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, and so good, delicious, pretty easy to grow,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty easy to grow. Yeah. Wednesday, August twelfth, Middle child Day.

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<v Speaker 1>I think middle childs have it pretty I was the oldest,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's like no good that. I would never recommend

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<v Speaker 1>anybody to have an oldest.

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<v Speaker 2>Child, no kids at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, well, okay, it doesn't work good. But the

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<v Speaker 1>middle kid sneaks, spy and of course, Steve, you're the baby.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the youngest, and they don't even know where you are,

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<v Speaker 1>what you're doing, and don't care. They're just like they've

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<v Speaker 1>been broken down by all the older kids.

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<v Speaker 3>You better believe it. That is so true.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you need older brothers like mine before you

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<v Speaker 2>make your comment about a middle kid sneaking by ooh ooh,

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<v Speaker 2>that sounds loaded.

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<v Speaker 6>It is.

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<v Speaker 1>And Wednesday is also Julian FRI's Day. Thursday August thirteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>it's an expensive day of day is Prosecco day and

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<v Speaker 1>Filet mignon day, So save up and then do Thursday August.

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<v Speaker 2>Thirteenth, Right, it's a filet mignon and little prosecco.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's the best day I've heard so far.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sure, you can argue with that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll let you have my prosecco.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's right, you're not you're not drinking.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'll have Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's right. You drink wine, but not prosecco.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, it's a little too sweet.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is pretty sweet. And some people the bubbles

0:26:15.600 --> 0:26:19.240
<v Speaker 1>don't agree with them. So I can drink anything you

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<v Speaker 1>can and do I will. That might be a fair deal. Finally,

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<v Speaker 1>now rounding it up, Friday, August fourteenth, Cream Sickle Day

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<v Speaker 1>and Navajo Code Talker's Day. And I think the story

0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:39.000
<v Speaker 1>of the Navajo code doctors was pretty darn cool. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>do you are you familiar?

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<v Speaker 6>Now?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, these these were Navajo tribe folks during World

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<v Speaker 1>War Two in the army and when the Army needed

0:26:53.240 --> 0:26:57.080
<v Speaker 1>to communicate across radio and they knew that it could

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<v Speaker 1>be heard by the Japanese. I think this is almost

0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:01.600
<v Speaker 1>always in the Pacific. It might have been in the

0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:06.800
<v Speaker 1>Atlantic theater also, Uh, these Navajo would just talk back

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<v Speaker 1>and forth in Navajo and there is no way either

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<v Speaker 1>Japan or anybody in Japan or Germany. We're gonna know

0:27:13.760 --> 0:27:16.159
<v Speaker 1>what language it was, or have a translate, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>handy translator for navajo in Germany. Idea, Yeah, really cool one.

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<v Speaker 1>The story is really neat. If you have a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to look it up sometime.

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<v Speaker 2>You ow to do it, all right. Finally to horticulture.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys, ready, ready, ready, it's time for We need

0:27:35.200 --> 0:27:38.040
<v Speaker 1>a drum roll or something. Time for Danny. Do you

0:27:38.040 --> 0:27:43.600
<v Speaker 1>have a drum roll? Oh? Man, bad timing. The computer

0:27:43.720 --> 0:27:47.120
<v Speaker 1>is rebooting. Maybe next time. Anyway, it is time for

0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:51.720
<v Speaker 1>favorite plants right now, and uh I'll start it just

0:27:51.760 --> 0:27:53.760
<v Speaker 1>to break the ice a little bit. It's not fair

0:27:53.800 --> 0:27:56.280
<v Speaker 1>to make a guest start it, although I've done that

0:27:56.320 --> 0:28:01.359
<v Speaker 1>in the past. Let's see here, I'm going to mention

0:28:01.480 --> 0:28:04.560
<v Speaker 1>a weird one and it's not even the greatest garden

0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:07.080
<v Speaker 1>plant ever, but I just love it because the flower

0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:11.280
<v Speaker 1>is so cool. Compania lastrum americanam and I don't even

0:28:11.400 --> 0:28:14.600
<v Speaker 1>know the common name for it, but it's sort of

0:28:14.640 --> 0:28:17.360
<v Speaker 1>a weedy thing that looks kind of like that bachelor's

0:28:17.400 --> 0:28:19.960
<v Speaker 1>button that goes alongside the road, and it has sort

0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:23.479
<v Speaker 1>of a compania like flower that's just a little bit

0:28:23.480 --> 0:28:26.880
<v Speaker 1>more complex and really really cool, great blue collar too,

0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:28.560
<v Speaker 1>So that's kind of out of the blue. I don't

0:28:28.560 --> 0:28:32.440
<v Speaker 1>recommend anybody growing unless you have a weedy spot. Is

0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:35.520
<v Speaker 1>a native you know, you can fit it into a

0:28:35.720 --> 0:28:39.600
<v Speaker 1>very natural garden fairly well. But I planted at once

0:28:39.640 --> 0:28:42.840
<v Speaker 1>and every now and then it seeds from way back

0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:45.640
<v Speaker 1>and I just let it grow because I really do

0:28:45.640 --> 0:28:46.160
<v Speaker 1>do like it.

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<v Speaker 2>John, You know, this is a tree that's been around forever,

0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:53.640
<v Speaker 2>but I just don't seem used that much. Pecan trees,

0:28:53.880 --> 0:28:57.920
<v Speaker 2>I think make a great treat of work into your landscape,

0:28:57.920 --> 0:29:00.320
<v Speaker 2>and they're not sold often, and it's something a little

0:29:00.320 --> 0:29:02.840
<v Speaker 2>different and it'll give us some diversity in the landscape.

0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:05.960
<v Speaker 2>But we have a couple huge ones on Madison Trees property,

0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:09.160
<v Speaker 2>do you. They're just fantastic trees. And they don't produce

0:29:09.200 --> 0:29:11.760
<v Speaker 2>the seed anymore either, so we don't have to clean

0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:14.360
<v Speaker 2>that mess up, although I would be happy to clean

0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:16.240
<v Speaker 2>up a bunch of pecans right around it.

0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:19.240
<v Speaker 1>Excellent, And that's that hard to open, yeah, compared to

0:29:19.360 --> 0:29:19.920
<v Speaker 1>like a walnut.

0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:21.880
<v Speaker 2>And so if you could grow that, have a great

0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:24.760
<v Speaker 2>tree and end up with an edible fruit that came

0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:26.840
<v Speaker 2>out of it too, I think it just those are

0:29:26.960 --> 0:29:28.760
<v Speaker 2>kind of those extra winds that you get out.

0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:32.200
<v Speaker 1>Of course people don't know this, but it's actually a hickory.

0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:33.840
<v Speaker 1>It's in that genus.

0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:35.000
<v Speaker 2>It is in the hickory family.

0:29:35.040 --> 0:29:35.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:29:35.400 --> 0:29:39.520
<v Speaker 2>So, and I think it's native to Ohio. Carria, Illinois

0:29:39.520 --> 0:29:42.320
<v Speaker 2>insist just barely. I think I think there's at least

0:29:42.360 --> 0:29:45.520
<v Speaker 2>one county in Ohio that Lucy Brown calls it native to. Ye,

0:29:45.640 --> 0:29:48.160
<v Speaker 2>there may be more than one, but I'm pretty positive

0:29:48.200 --> 0:29:49.880
<v Speaker 2>there's at least one because we used them at the

0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:54.840
<v Speaker 2>and the Grove Thousand Trees Grove at Ohio State when

0:29:54.840 --> 0:29:55.640
<v Speaker 2>I was in school there.

0:29:55.640 --> 0:29:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so we've got we just put a grove in yeah,

0:29:59.760 --> 0:30:02.440
<v Speaker 1>at the witting Hills at the Winton.

0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:05.200
<v Speaker 3>Hills Tree School. We'll be talking about at eight o'clock.

0:30:04.960 --> 0:30:07.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, with Charlie Frank, which will be a great conversation

0:30:08.160 --> 0:30:10.160
<v Speaker 1>and what a neat idea that was. We'll bring it

0:30:10.200 --> 0:30:13.120
<v Speaker 1>back up at that time. Uh, Steve, what's what's rocking

0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:14.120
<v Speaker 1>in your world? Right now?

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<v Speaker 3>You're gonna get You're gonna be shocked by this. Okay,

0:30:17.800 --> 0:30:23.440
<v Speaker 3>sun sugar tomato. Ah, the little kind of yellowish orange

0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:28.239
<v Speaker 3>cherry tomato. Yeah, that, like you said, we picked you know,

0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:30.760
<v Speaker 3>a lot of them every day now in our garden.

0:30:31.200 --> 0:30:34.080
<v Speaker 3>And I'm not much of a vegetable gardener. I've got

0:30:34.080 --> 0:30:35.720
<v Speaker 3>my zucchini and my you know.

0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:37.760
<v Speaker 1>The the sun basic, the staples.

0:30:37.920 --> 0:30:41.000
<v Speaker 3>But man, the good you pulled sun sugar tomatoes and

0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:45.160
<v Speaker 3>you get that Marge Eddies ranch dressing. There's nothing better

0:30:45.200 --> 0:30:47.080
<v Speaker 3>than snacking on that in the afternoon.

0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:50.120
<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, nothing like you just going out in the

0:30:50.160 --> 0:30:53.480
<v Speaker 1>garden picking a tomato that's still hot in the sun.

0:30:53.920 --> 0:30:55.520
<v Speaker 1>It's got a little dirt on it, and you just

0:30:55.560 --> 0:30:57.960
<v Speaker 1>pop in your mouth and eat it, and it's it's

0:30:58.000 --> 0:30:58.720
<v Speaker 1>the best.

0:30:58.520 --> 0:31:01.320
<v Speaker 2>Not much better, much better than that. How big is

0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:06.040
<v Speaker 2>this variety? Like normal cherry tomato size? It's not the

0:31:06.120 --> 0:31:07.280
<v Speaker 2>tiny little ones.

0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:12.440
<v Speaker 3>No, no, just cherry tomato. But it is sweet and

0:31:12.760 --> 0:31:15.800
<v Speaker 3>easy to grow. I can even grow it, so it

0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:16.960
<v Speaker 3>mustn't be easy.

0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:21.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to chime in here with a very common plant.

0:31:21.160 --> 0:31:23.440
<v Speaker 1>But it's rocking it right now. It looks so good

0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:29.200
<v Speaker 1>out there. Peroskia. You know, it's sort of a poor

0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:32.440
<v Speaker 1>man's lavender. You know, we can actually grow it in

0:31:32.480 --> 0:31:35.600
<v Speaker 1>our hot, humid, heavy clay soils around here and much

0:31:35.600 --> 0:31:39.440
<v Speaker 1>of the United States. New varieties out there that kind

0:31:39.440 --> 0:31:41.360
<v Speaker 1>of bring it down the size a little bit, so

0:31:41.400 --> 0:31:44.640
<v Speaker 1>if it's in a garden, a little better and less

0:31:44.720 --> 0:31:49.720
<v Speaker 1>likely to flop over. But you know that just if

0:31:49.720 --> 0:31:54.000
<v Speaker 1>you have a hot sunny spot and you need some

0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:57.880
<v Speaker 1>silvery blue, you can't beat peroskia.

0:31:57.920 --> 0:31:59.680
<v Speaker 2>And you don't have to do much to take care

0:31:59.680 --> 0:32:02.320
<v Speaker 2>of them right there. You put them in and just

0:32:02.360 --> 0:32:04.160
<v Speaker 2>get a little bit of water to get them started,

0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:04.880
<v Speaker 2>and they're good.

0:32:04.680 --> 0:32:05.479
<v Speaker 1>To go pretty much.

0:32:05.520 --> 0:32:05.560
<v Speaker 6>It.

0:32:05.840 --> 0:32:07.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you do have to pinch your nose when

0:32:07.960 --> 0:32:09.760
<v Speaker 2>you cut them back in the fall. It's the only

0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:14.440
<v Speaker 2>thing that I kind of like the smell to. Maybe

0:32:14.520 --> 0:32:16.840
<v Speaker 2>maybe your senses are dulled in your this point in

0:32:16.840 --> 0:32:17.320
<v Speaker 2>your career.

0:32:17.440 --> 0:32:24.840
<v Speaker 1>There's no reason they wouldn't be so John you, so

0:32:25.000 --> 0:32:27.320
<v Speaker 1>you just not mine what is yours so I have

0:32:27.400 --> 0:32:28.560
<v Speaker 1>a chance to hit back.

0:32:29.400 --> 0:32:33.320
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't a knock, It was just a combat. My

0:32:33.440 --> 0:32:36.760
<v Speaker 2>employees regularly are like they're cutting back the Russian stage,

0:32:36.920 --> 0:32:41.560
<v Speaker 2>you know. Oh yeah, you know it's seems so obvious

0:32:41.600 --> 0:32:45.479
<v Speaker 2>and so out there, but the hydrode of peniculatas are

0:32:45.560 --> 0:32:48.600
<v Speaker 2>just amazing this time of year, and there's just nothing

0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:51.520
<v Speaker 2>with better color and a show. Uh, you know that

0:32:51.600 --> 0:32:54.160
<v Speaker 2>you got to be careful with certain neighborhoods. The deer

0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:56.200
<v Speaker 2>will munch on them and you may need to put

0:32:56.200 --> 0:32:58.360
<v Speaker 2>a little protection up to get them started and big

0:32:58.480 --> 0:33:01.960
<v Speaker 2>enough to get over the browse line, or just in

0:33:02.240 --> 0:33:05.720
<v Speaker 2>spots where the deer aren't so prevalent. But the color

0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:09.320
<v Speaker 2>that they produce in the length of time is unparalleled.

0:33:09.360 --> 0:33:12.480
<v Speaker 2>For there's a couple close, but that's just such a

0:33:12.520 --> 0:33:13.400
<v Speaker 2>good plant.

0:33:13.760 --> 0:33:15.160
<v Speaker 1>I was thinking about it the other day. I was

0:33:15.240 --> 0:33:17.560
<v Speaker 1>driving somewhere and there were a bunch of them out there,

0:33:17.640 --> 0:33:20.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, and mostly in commercial landscapes. Do you see

0:33:20.080 --> 0:33:22.160
<v Speaker 1>them a lot? And well, you see them everywhere now,

0:33:22.720 --> 0:33:25.080
<v Speaker 1>But I was thinking, you know, it's pretty much the

0:33:25.160 --> 0:33:30.479
<v Speaker 1>perfect landscape shrub. You know, it's tough as nails, it's

0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:35.200
<v Speaker 1>showy as can be in the summertime, and you know

0:33:35.360 --> 0:33:37.840
<v Speaker 1>it's going to perform for you.

0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:40.520
<v Speaker 2>And you can be the worst pruner in the world

0:33:40.720 --> 0:33:43.520
<v Speaker 2>and whack it back over the winter and it almost

0:33:43.560 --> 0:33:45.560
<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter where you cut it, and the thing just

0:33:45.640 --> 0:33:48.800
<v Speaker 2>comes back happier than ever the next season. It's unbelievable.

0:33:48.920 --> 0:33:51.040
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I was thinking also about this when

0:33:51.080 --> 0:33:53.640
<v Speaker 1>I started at the zoo, and you know, about fifteen

0:33:54.040 --> 0:34:00.240
<v Speaker 1>sixteen years ago, now there was what tard dive and

0:34:00.400 --> 0:34:04.160
<v Speaker 1>PG and not a whole lot more. And now there

0:34:04.160 --> 0:34:10.200
<v Speaker 1>are probably hundreds of varieties and they just get, you know, better, smaller, better,

0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:13.160
<v Speaker 1>more floriferous. Whatever you want, you can now find it

0:34:13.640 --> 0:34:15.520
<v Speaker 1>in a hydrange of peniculata.

0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:19.120
<v Speaker 2>The big thing is if, especially with the tree formed ones,

0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:21.640
<v Speaker 2>is finding one that you know getting it so when

0:34:21.640 --> 0:34:24.160
<v Speaker 2>the balloom comes, they don't just completely flop over, right.

0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:26.600
<v Speaker 2>That's the one of the tough parts of that plant.

0:34:27.560 --> 0:34:29.120
<v Speaker 3>That's a great one. I don't know how you can

0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:31.040
<v Speaker 3>knock him on that one, Scott, I can't.

0:34:31.160 --> 0:34:31.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah you can.

0:34:32.000 --> 0:34:38.799
<v Speaker 1>You commoner there it is. It's not native. You took

0:34:38.840 --> 0:34:43.840
<v Speaker 1>an easy, easy approach. Yeah, you know what, when we

0:34:43.920 --> 0:34:47.200
<v Speaker 1>come back, Steve, we'll come back to you for another plant.

0:34:48.080 --> 0:34:50.319
<v Speaker 1>Always fun to do the favorite plants right now, so

0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:53.040
<v Speaker 1>we'll keep doing them. We'll be back in just a

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<v Speaker 1>And welcome back. I am Scott Berlin. You're listening to

0:36:23.800 --> 0:36:28.080
<v Speaker 1>let's garden with me, and I am with the illustrious,

0:36:28.200 --> 0:36:35.920
<v Speaker 1>the brilliant, the unquestionably greatest in the world horticulturists, except

0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:41.480
<v Speaker 1>for like the other guests, I routinely have John Butcher

0:36:41.760 --> 0:36:47.279
<v Speaker 1>from Madison Tree, Air and Landscape here in Cincinnati say hello, Hey,

0:36:48.920 --> 0:36:52.799
<v Speaker 1>And Steve Fold's my boss, director of horticulture at the

0:36:52.840 --> 0:36:55.520
<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati Zoo and Botanical Garden. And we just got an

0:36:55.520 --> 0:37:01.160
<v Speaker 1>award again from the Perennial Plan Association for our Communication,

0:37:02.520 --> 0:37:05.280
<v Speaker 1>Community and Education outreach.

0:37:05.680 --> 0:37:07.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's pretty cool. It's very cool.

0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:10.440
<v Speaker 1>They just keep coming in. We just keep doing the

0:37:10.480 --> 0:37:13.200
<v Speaker 1>work and we'll keep getting it done.

0:37:13.239 --> 0:37:15.640
<v Speaker 2>You got to do cool stuff over there. That's why

0:37:15.680 --> 0:37:18.319
<v Speaker 2>you're earning it, right, But we don't do it for

0:37:18.360 --> 0:37:19.000
<v Speaker 2>the awards.

0:37:19.360 --> 0:37:22.840
<v Speaker 1>We never have. You do what's right and you do

0:37:22.880 --> 0:37:26.279
<v Speaker 1>it as the best you can, and maybe the awards come,

0:37:26.560 --> 0:37:30.640
<v Speaker 1>maybe they don't. It's nice when they do, but the

0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:34.280
<v Speaker 1>satisfaction of doing the job right is what matters the most.

0:37:34.440 --> 0:37:35.359
<v Speaker 2>Couldn't agree more.

0:37:35.640 --> 0:37:38.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So Steve, it's your turn. What is one of

0:37:38.280 --> 0:37:40.160
<v Speaker 1>your favorite plants? Right now? All right?

0:37:41.120 --> 0:37:45.600
<v Speaker 3>Since John's here, I have to go scarlet oak of

0:37:45.760 --> 0:37:48.400
<v Speaker 3>all the oaks. Well, I do like white oak, but

0:37:48.600 --> 0:37:53.759
<v Speaker 3>scarlet you get that great brilliant scarlet fall color. It

0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:57.840
<v Speaker 3>can't be beat. You don't see as many planted but

0:37:57.960 --> 0:38:00.680
<v Speaker 3>if you look at some of the older trees around

0:38:00.719 --> 0:38:04.319
<v Speaker 3>the greater Cincinnati area. There's more scarlet oak out there

0:38:04.320 --> 0:38:04.920
<v Speaker 3>than you think.

0:38:05.200 --> 0:38:09.560
<v Speaker 1>It's a tough, adaptable tree. You know. People say, oh,

0:38:09.880 --> 0:38:14.560
<v Speaker 1>two things about oaks people say that I disagree with vehemently, vehemently.

0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:19.120
<v Speaker 1>One is they don't get good fall color wrong, especially

0:38:19.120 --> 0:38:21.799
<v Speaker 1>with scarlet oak, but any almost all the others. Still

0:38:22.040 --> 0:38:24.360
<v Speaker 1>it's a little bit more muted than say a red maple,

0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:29.799
<v Speaker 1>but it comes later and it's all oaks always look

0:38:29.840 --> 0:38:33.000
<v Speaker 1>great in the fall to me. And the other thing

0:38:33.080 --> 0:38:37.480
<v Speaker 1>is that oaks grow slow, and I disagree with that too.

0:38:37.840 --> 0:38:38.520
<v Speaker 3>I know.

0:38:38.680 --> 0:38:42.719
<v Speaker 1>You know, we planted this scarlet oak at the night

0:38:42.800 --> 0:38:47.120
<v Speaker 1>Hunter's exhibit in what was probably twenty twelve, and that's

0:38:47.120 --> 0:38:48.839
<v Speaker 1>a big tree now, so.

0:38:48.800 --> 0:38:53.920
<v Speaker 3>It's one right next to the carousel that took off. Yeah,

0:38:53.960 --> 0:38:58.160
<v Speaker 3>we've been getting scarlet oak and a container and you know,

0:38:58.239 --> 0:39:02.080
<v Speaker 3>so you avoid that, you know, root shock and digging,

0:39:02.320 --> 0:39:07.320
<v Speaker 3>and that's changed everything for me as far as trusting

0:39:07.320 --> 0:39:09.200
<v Speaker 3>an oak for transplanting.

0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:12.800
<v Speaker 2>It's a good point. Container growth is good and you

0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:16.880
<v Speaker 2>got to take certain precautions with with container plants, and

0:39:17.160 --> 0:39:19.600
<v Speaker 2>definitely still manage the roots and make sure your root

0:39:20.000 --> 0:39:23.640
<v Speaker 2>at the right height. There's there's but overall I agree

0:39:23.680 --> 0:39:25.719
<v Speaker 2>with Steve, it's just takes out so much of the

0:39:25.760 --> 0:39:27.479
<v Speaker 2>transplant shock when it's done well.

0:39:27.680 --> 0:39:31.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's it makes planting a larger tree more

0:39:31.760 --> 0:39:35.600
<v Speaker 1>accessible to almost everybody. You know, if you're gonna get

0:39:35.840 --> 0:39:39.160
<v Speaker 1>a two inch PMB, you better have an F two fifty.

0:39:39.880 --> 0:39:43.680
<v Speaker 1>You know, if you get a twenty gallon a plant,

0:39:43.719 --> 0:39:46.319
<v Speaker 1>you can put throat in your trunk and wrap a

0:39:46.360 --> 0:39:49.200
<v Speaker 1>flag on it. Definitely wrap the tree up so it's

0:39:49.239 --> 0:39:52.240
<v Speaker 1>not blowing in the wind. But you know, a regular

0:39:52.280 --> 0:39:54.279
<v Speaker 1>homeowner with just a car can find a way to

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<v Speaker 1>get it home. Or you just called John, Yeah, John,

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<v Speaker 1>plant this tree for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Happy to help always, I will say. On the scarlet oaks,

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<v Speaker 2>it's really easy to lump them into just the red

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<v Speaker 2>oak category, right because they are in the red oak family.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, you've got shoe mart oak and the

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<v Speaker 2>scarlet oak and the red oak northern red you know,

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<v Speaker 2>so there's all these things that are similar, but there

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<v Speaker 2>are some when you when you really analyze that, there

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<v Speaker 2>are some real differences that you can point out with

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<v Speaker 2>the scarlet oaks, which may be really difficult when it's

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<v Speaker 2>an eighty foot tall tree and you don't have the

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<v Speaker 2>leaves right in front of you, and it's not and

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<v Speaker 2>it's striking fall color form. You really have to have

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<v Speaker 2>an eye for it to be able to pick that

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<v Speaker 2>one out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm going to go on a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a rent here on my next plant though it's really

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<v Speaker 1>a group of plants. It's conventional plants, old school nursery stock,

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<v Speaker 1>garden center staples, you know. Just came back from a

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<v Speaker 1>week at the Perennial Plant Association and it was wonderful.

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<v Speaker 1>It was great, a lot of focus on naturalism, which

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<v Speaker 1>I do like a lot when especially when it's done

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<v Speaker 1>really well.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>But we followed that nearly a full week of that,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we went to ball Flora their their their

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<v Speaker 1>display gardens in West Chicago, and it was just such

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<v Speaker 1>like a relief to see a real showy good old

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<v Speaker 1>school plants, annuals, perennials. Some of it mixed in with

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<v Speaker 1>the new perennial stuff or new native stuff and work great.

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<v Speaker 1>But we can't throw the what is it the baby

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<v Speaker 1>out with the bathwater. I think when some of the

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<v Speaker 1>with some of these things that seemed to be the

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<v Speaker 1>forward the future of horticulture, and uh, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to draw particular attention to one bed that I

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<v Speaker 1>saw where uh they have sort of these concrete bunker containers.

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds terrible, but they're beautiful. Uh you know, cement

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<v Speaker 1>containers sort of embedded in the side of a hill.

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<v Speaker 1>And those were filled with annuals, right, colorful, really well matched,

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<v Speaker 1>really well designed, and surrounded completely by sparabolas on the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was a really cool look. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're going to wrap up favorite plants. Did

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<v Speaker 1>you guys have a bunch you wanted to fit Always

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<v Speaker 1>have continuous, always have plants to talk. Well, maybe we'll

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<v Speaker 1>do one more round when we get back. You're listening,

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