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Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.

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Speaker 2: Patricia, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.

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Speaker 3: Yes, this is Jesus.

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Speaker 2: Yes, how can I help you?

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Speaker 4: I need to know how.

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Speaker 3: I've been married twenty four years. In fact, in about

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Speaker 3: a week and a half from now, in my twenty anniversary.

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Speaker 3: My husband fought for a divorced a year and four

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Speaker 3: months ago and moved in with another woman. And then

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Speaker 3: she stopped the divorce.

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Speaker 2: He put a stop to the divorce.

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Speaker 3: No, she did, okay, but she didn't come back. She

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Speaker 3: says she's coming back. He tells me that he loves me,

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Speaker 3: but then he doesn't come back. But she calls me

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Speaker 3: throughout the day. You'll call me maybe fifteen times a day.

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Speaker 3: And I call him and we talked, and then when

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Speaker 3: he did the narrative said he to divorce me, and

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Speaker 3: then he tells me he loves me, and then he

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Speaker 3: judged me.

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Speaker 2: He sounds like he's he sounds like he's a mess.

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Speaker 3: I'm the one that's a mess because I just sit

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Speaker 3: here and I'm all waited.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And he sounds like he's manipulative and he's going

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Speaker 2: back and forth and and you know, ruining everything. For everybody.

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Speaker 2: Why would you want to be with that?

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Speaker 3: I don't I don't want to look that way. I

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Speaker 3: just I don't not let go. I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if it's I mean.

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Speaker 3: I've been alone now for here in four months.

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Speaker 4: Other than other than the hope that he's coming back.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why I'm even open that he's coming back.

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Speaker 2: Why would you want that back?

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Speaker 5: If?

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Speaker 2: I mean, what is the purpose? If there's true reconciliation, great,

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Speaker 2: but it takes more than him just physically being there

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Speaker 2: and not divorcing you. Uh, it takes more than that

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Speaker 2: to have true reconciliation. And if he's got some other

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Speaker 2: woman on the hook, and maybe she likes being a

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Speaker 2: mistress and doesn't want him to get divorced so she

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Speaker 2: can have.

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Speaker 3: And she realizes he's married, I think he wised her.

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Speaker 4: I've never talked to her.

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Speaker 2: Okay, then why would you want to be Why would

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Speaker 2: you want to be with someone who was a liar

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Speaker 2: like that? I mean, this doesn't sound like a great

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Speaker 3: I know there's something wrong with me. Because a normal

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Speaker 3: person lived just like go and moved on, well.

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Speaker 2: You'd be surprised. I don't think that makes you abnormal.

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Speaker 2: I know it's easier to go well, maybe I'm broken,

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Speaker 2: but really it's there's patterns in life, Patricia. It gets

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Speaker 2: very easy to get comfortable and just say why rock

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Speaker 2: the boat? Were you the type that talked a lot?

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Speaker 2: Did you and your husband discuss things and did you

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Speaker 2: feel connected to him?

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Speaker 3: I guess I talked a lot, but then a few

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Speaker 3: years went on, I was not to where I even

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Speaker 3: say much what I was around him because he was

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Speaker 3: so critical in me, all the times of criticize me.

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Speaker 4: And putting me down.

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Speaker 2: Then why do you want him back?

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Speaker 4: I don't know why I do.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how to let go.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how to.

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Speaker 3: Just try to way from it all.

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Speaker 5: I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what to do.

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Speaker 3: I'm just like I wasted my life.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, it ain't over till it's over. There's

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Speaker 2: much to be done. But Patricia, you can waste it

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Speaker 2: by sitting around and waiting for somebody who seems like

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Speaker 2: he's a mass. Do you attend a church?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 3: Not really, I think go through a church. It's not

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Speaker 3: like I probably not like I should.

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Speaker 4: I do listen to show on Sunday mornings.

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Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate that, but this certainly is not church.

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Speaker 2: I would I would say that that it might be

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Speaker 2: healthy to find some counseling. Maybe you can work through

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Speaker 2: some things on your own. If he wants to join

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Speaker 2: you and do some couples counseling, that could be healthy,

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Speaker 2: very healthy as well. Just well, unfortunately, yeah, unfortunately, it's

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Speaker 2: hard to fix rebellion. People just kind of sit and

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Speaker 2: and what they are and who they are and and

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Speaker 2: don't give a good gosh darn about what anybody else

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Speaker 2: thinks about it. So if that's the case, then you

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Speaker 2: work on yourself and and you let him know that

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Speaker 2: you're not going to keep going back and forth, that

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Speaker 2: either he's going to make the decision or that you'll

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Speaker 2: make the decision to divorce, because you deserve more than

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Speaker 2: being pulled in multiple directions. Any kids are grown, I

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Speaker 2: have a grown daughter.

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Speaker 4: Okay, he has a grown daughter, but he's never met

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Speaker 2: Does your grown daughter live with you or is she

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Speaker 2: out and off?

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Speaker 4: She lives about sixty miles okay from me?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, this is a time for you to figure

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Speaker 2: out what's going on in your life. I would love

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Speaker 2: for you to find a good church family too. I

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Speaker 2: really would just to have that structure and that stability.

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Speaker 2: If you find a really good one that has, you know,

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Speaker 2: a good Bible believing Bible teaching pastor and groups and

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Speaker 2: things like that, it can be quite helpful. And a

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Speaker 2: lot of times they have groups dealing with divorce or

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Speaker 2: grieving or these types of things that I think can

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Speaker 2: be very helpful. But Patricia, this is a This is

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Speaker 2: a big old bag of spaghetti, is what it is.

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Speaker 2: There's just so many different ends to it and twist

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Speaker 2: the air. But what you're telling me is in addition

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Speaker 2: to him having this other woman and then he threatens divorce,

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Speaker 2: that he goes back and forth, he's just using you

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Speaker 2: as a welcome Matt, and you're allowing it for now.

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Speaker 2: And I want you to, you know, break out of that. Well,

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Speaker 2: that's what humans do. It's very easy. You get down patterns,

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Speaker 2: or you've seen the good in someone and you've lived

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Speaker 2: life and you've had good times. I would love for

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Speaker 2: you to experience reconciliation with him. But he doesn't sound

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Speaker 2: in his defense, he's not on the phone, he's not

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Speaker 2: we're hearing all this through you, and I want to

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Speaker 2: be respectful of that. And if he ever wanted to

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Speaker 2: call in with you, I would welcome that as well.

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Speaker 2: You know, you can just let us know. When I

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Speaker 2: put you on hold, we can get your information. If

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Speaker 2: you ever wanted to come on together, I'd be more

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Speaker 2: than willing to do what I could here. But really

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Speaker 2: the important thing is that you both would need some

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Speaker 2: serious counseling because you need someone to call to call

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Speaker 2: him out if he's lying or misrepresenting something. Otherwise you're

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Speaker 2: gonna just be going in circles and circles and circles

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Speaker 2: the surface. So I love and prayers are with you, Patricia.

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Speaker 2: But there there's a lot to even. I know it

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Speaker 2: feels like you're knee deep in it, but really you've

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Speaker 2: where it's like, oh, well, you know known him for

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Speaker 2: dated or don't worry about all that stuff. First, it's

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Speaker 2: about getting yourself whole again and figuring out, you know,

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Speaker 2: And really that's when I'm you know, that's what I'm

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Speaker 2: looking for. Steve, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Hi, thank you. I was basically raised in the

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Speaker 1: Presbyterian Church, but my wife is Catholic and I've been

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Speaker 1: going to Catholic Church now for a few years. And

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Speaker 1: at a recent Mass, the priest was talking about the

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Speaker 1: section in Matthew where you say to Peter that you

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Speaker 1: build my church. And I was wondering if you really

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Speaker 1: meant that that means that the Catholic Church is the

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Speaker 1: only way to Heaven and to you. I still have

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Speaker 1: not converted, and I have some small concerns about the

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Speaker 1: will ever convert. So that made me feel a little

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Speaker 2: Well, our Catholic brothers and sisters will tell you that, yes,

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Speaker 2: they are the church. But this show coming from a

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Speaker 2: non denominational standpoint and welcoming all those that teach solid theology,

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Speaker 2: stay tute the essentials of the faith. This argument will

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Speaker 2: go on forever, dealing with Matthew sixteen, forever and ever,

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Speaker 2: because the context, it's hard to be one hundred percent sure.

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Speaker 2: The Protestants will look at this and say, you know, really,

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Speaker 2: in its context that I'm always the rock, Christ is

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Speaker 2: Catholic Church is the only church would kind of go

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Speaker 2: against scripture in the sense that any church that is

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Speaker 2: adhering to those essentials and focusing on God would be

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Speaker 2: one of God's churches. The term Catholic just means universal,

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Speaker 2: and of course Protestant means Protestant, someone who protested the

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Speaker 2: he has that love for both in an understanding for both,

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Speaker 2: really it's going to be one of those things where

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Speaker 2: have Protestants going, well, you know, then Peter denied Christ

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Speaker 2: it's it's if that's going to be your defining moment,

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Speaker 2: I think you're gonna have to spend some more time

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Speaker 2: in that first to understand it. But even in its context,

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Speaker 2: I don't know that you're going to come to one

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Speaker 2: and continues to be a tough one for people. But

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Speaker 2: I think let's hope any church that is Christ centered

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Speaker 2: and claims to be Christian, Catholic or Protestant would would

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Speaker 2: clarify that the Church is built upon the truth of

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you for that answer. I just recently have

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Speaker 1: been feeling I've been limiting my spiritual growth because I'm

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Speaker 1: not completely buying into everything the Catholic Church represents, especially

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Speaker 1: within scam.

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Speaker 2: And the Catholic Church has its luggage most definitely.

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Speaker 1: So, and there's you know, really being a non Catholic

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Speaker 1: in math sometimes there's things that they just don't let

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Speaker 2: And so well, just keep your mind open to what

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Speaker 2: God has for you. Tom. Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.

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Speaker 5: Hello Jesus, how are you.

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Speaker 2: I am well, Tom, and you.

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Speaker 5: I'm doing pretty good. What's going on the question? My

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Speaker 5: wife recently passed away. We were married for thirty four years,

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Speaker 5: we were together about thirty seven.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry to hear that, Tom.

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Speaker 5: Well, I recognize her when I get there.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely? Absolutely?

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Speaker 5: You know how the spirits, how the spirits recognize each other?

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Speaker 2: Oh Tom, you did you recognize your wife over those

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Speaker 2: Absolutely? If she wrote a note to you and and

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Speaker 2: If she dictated a note to somebody and sent it

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Speaker 2: Absolutely? And how is this any different? Those physical things

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 2: Of course not. You knew each other and if you

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Speaker 5: Each other and love got stronger based on who we

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's never been about that. It's never been about

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Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, that's what I miss the most now.

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Speaker 2: Of course you do, and that's okay, that's a healthy thing.

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Speaker 2: Of course you miss that, but that that won't ever,

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Speaker 5: Well, thank you very much for your kind words. I

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Speaker 2: Tom. It's a rough time during the holidays, but you

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Speaker 2: lovely times that you had, but you think about them

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Speaker 5: Okay, that's what people remember the most. It's how much

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Speaker 2: And what do you call her, my sweetheart? Well, then

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Speaker 2: reminds you that that she's still there. She is with

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Speaker 2: one day too, Tom and you will recognize each other

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Speaker 2: than anything you ever experienced here, I promise, Beth. Welcome

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Speaker 6: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: How can I help you?

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Speaker 6: I would like to know where Jesus went after his

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Speaker 2: There's nothing scripture that says that he traveled around to

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Speaker 2: scripture it's quite specific. The only problem is translation. A

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Speaker 2: so people go, what what does that mean? And why

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Speaker 2: And then people try and make sense of it that, oh, well,

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Speaker 2: You will be with me whereise exactly. So that's a

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Speaker 2: So there's so much of that that gets kind of

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Speaker 2: for those eighteen years, people go, oh, they're lost and

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Speaker 2: you're in Tibet, right, No, I was building things with

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Speaker 2: my foster father Joseph. That's it not very exciting, a

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Speaker 2: whole lot to write about, So it just wasn't written about.

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Speaker 2: But you see that later on that people will say,

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Speaker 2: when I started doing miracles, But wait a second, isn't

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Speaker 2: that Jesus the son of Joseph, the carpenter, and if

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Speaker 2: I was gone for eighteen years, nobody's gonna recognize me.

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Speaker 2: It says what I was doing. I was in the

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Speaker 2: carpentry shop, building things. So I don't know what it is,

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Speaker 2: this desire to fill in those blanks in scripture all

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Speaker 2: the time, was some sort of opportunity of going to

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Speaker 2: other places and learning other things or teaching other things,

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Speaker 2: because it's just it doesn't fit in to the narrative

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Speaker 2: as it stands. The clearest understanding of what takes place

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Speaker 2: during that time between my death and the resurrection is

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Speaker 2: that I went to what I referred to on the

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Speaker 2: cross as paradise, and that was not some sort of

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Speaker 2: you know, it was some sort of hell where I

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Speaker 2: was taking on more punishment on the cross, I said

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Speaker 2: to tell U sty The term has been disputed in

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Speaker 2: some sense. It's often translated to mean the end, or

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Speaker 2: it is done, or it is finished, and some even

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Speaker 2: say that it's an old it's an old merchant's term

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Speaker 2: for paid in full. Regardless, the most important thing to

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Speaker 2: see is the finality of the statement that I'm saying

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Speaker 2: it is done. It's not like it's done for now.

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Speaker 2: I've got to go down to hell and take on

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Speaker 2: some more and then it will be really finished. But

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Speaker 2: it's done now too. That wasn't the point, and that's

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Speaker 2: not what's being stated. It was a stage of finality

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Speaker 2: and I wanted to make that clear, to tell a

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Speaker 2: sty it is finished.

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Speaker 6: Kfi A six on demand