1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: Bengals like ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati's sports station. 2 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 2: Welcome back, it is since he three p sixty ESPN 3 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 2: fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Thanks to our friends at 4 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: Penn Station. Let's get right to it. You can find 5 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 2: him on Bengals Talk, covering the Bengals for Sports Illustrated 6 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 2: and about fifteen hundred different outlets. If you need anything, 7 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 2: Bengal answered, James, your pen is your guy, and he 8 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 2: just so happened to be joining us here to start 9 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:36,639 Speaker 2: our number three. Well, not, I'm starting our number three. 10 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 2: We're into our number three, regardless of any of that. Hi, James, 11 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 2: what else? How are you? 12 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: I'm great? Great, It's good to hear your voice, James. 13 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 2: Yesterday came and went, and we know the Bengals moved 14 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 2: on from Logan Wilson and recooped a seventh round draft pick. 15 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 2: Are you surprised that there was not another move made 16 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 2: specifically around Trey Hendrickson. 17 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: I'm not surprised. 18 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 3: I thought that the possibility certainly opened up when they 19 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 3: lost and how they lost these past two games for 20 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 3: a Trey Hendrickson trade to happen, especially when you looked 21 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 3: across the league and you realized, Hey, the Cowboys desperating. 22 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 3: Other teams felt like it felt like they wanted to 23 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 3: move that way and get a pass rusher. And I'm 24 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 3: not sure edge wise if there's anyone that was realistically available. 25 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: That you could look at and say, oh, that's a better. 26 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 3: Option than Trey Hendrickson, Because if you're making a trade 27 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:39,559 Speaker 3: mid year, it's about this year for most In most 28 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 3: scenarios like Dallas, they're just going to move on from 29 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 3: Logan Wilson. 30 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: If it doesn't work out. 31 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 3: It's about this year and trying to bread some life 32 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 3: into that defense for that trade specifically. So you know, 33 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 3: I expected teams to be interested. The thing that is 34 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 3: sort of surprising to me is the fact that Jeremy 35 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 3: Fowler reporting today that the Bengals are willing to take 36 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 3: a second round pick and the Cowboys thought that was 37 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 3: too pricey. 38 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, and if. 39 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 3: That's true, well then don't even come into the restaurant 40 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 3: look at the menu, like, what do you what did 41 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 3: you think they was going to cost for the NFL 42 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 3: sack leader, the second place, the runner up for Defensive 43 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 3: Player of the Year. Of course he was worth a 44 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 3: second round pick, you know, And so that that to 45 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 3: me if true, and you just never know, I'm not 46 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 3: saying fowlers are what I'm saying, you never know who, where, 47 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 3: what the logic is behind those reports are. But if 48 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 3: that is true, that is surprising that no team is 49 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 3: willing to get that out. 50 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 2: Do you think that there's a belief inside the walls 51 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 2: at paid Course Stadium that they still are alive in 52 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 2: this thing this year? 53 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: Yeah? 54 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I do, And I uh not that I necessarily agree, 55 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 3: because I'm not sure they can tackle present day. 56 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: Tony Pike. 57 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 3: Thing to say about an NFL defense, you know, I mean, 58 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 3: geez o paid. 59 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what if I do that, Caleb Williams 60 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 2: spin move, I'll get away from anybody because no one 61 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 2: knew how to tackle that. 62 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 4: No one knew that was coming. 63 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: No one knew it was coming. 64 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 3: And you know, a few weeks ago, I thought, man, 65 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 3: like it was when you were being inducted. I thought 66 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 3: about the defenses you had. And this is me saying it, 67 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 3: not you saying it. So I'm allowed to say the 68 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 3: defenses you had during your peak, specifically in that nine 69 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 3: year that run to the Sugar Bowl. 70 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: And then I looked at this defense. 71 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 3: And I was like oh, maybe there's some similarities. No, 72 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 3: there's no similarities that defense would tackle some this defense 73 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 3: that there's no such thing as a tackle happening. 74 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 2: Do you worry about We've talked about this all week, 75 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,119 Speaker 2: the Jamar Chase comments, and I thought we've talked about 76 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 2: it that the way Zach handled the Chase Brown, I 77 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 2: thought that was wrong. 78 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 4: I want a guy with passion. 79 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: I want a guy that has life and that has 80 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 2: some fire, especially when the defensive guys didn't talk on Sunday. 81 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 2: If if we're hearing that to the media, what do 82 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 2: you feel like the tension is inside the closed doors 83 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 2: of the locker room. 84 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: I am sure it's uncomfortable. 85 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 3: Could you imagine if you had the best show planned 86 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 3: ever and then Austin just didn't do anything. He just 87 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 3: stared at you all show right, and and that's he's like, yeah, 88 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 3: I do that. 89 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 4: All the time. 90 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: Don't do that because that's not true. 91 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 3: But but like we've been there, done that with something. 92 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 3: Maybe maybe you're on the side of the underachievement side, 93 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 3: or you're on. 94 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: The side of that that's holding up there end of the. 95 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 3: Bargain, and it's uncomfortable because you feel like you need 96 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 3: to be doing more. 97 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 1: And I talked to a defensive player. 98 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 3: I just did a whole video on this late because 99 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 3: of the trade deadline, but like because it made natural 100 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 3: rounds like Chase Brown's comments versus what Zack said and 101 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 3: what Trey said. And I talked to a defensive player 102 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 3: Monday in the locker room and he was like, look, 103 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 3: if it's true, why would I be mad? But and 104 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 3: I think the reason why I think Chase Brown's comments 105 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 3: shouldn't be offensive is if you're if you have any 106 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 3: if you're not soft, you're not going to be offended 107 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 3: by the truth. And the truth is this Bengals defense, 108 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 3: literally since Joe Flacco got the title, when they're tried 109 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 3: to extending olive Branch to this offense and get it going. 110 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 3: They had a shot at Lambeau. They couldn't get off 111 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 3: the field on third and eight. Like after everything that 112 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 3: happened five days after getting Flacco, they just have to 113 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 3: go win. All they have to do is gonna stop 114 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 3: on third and eight, get to the ball back to 115 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 3: Joe FLACKA didn't happen. They tried to give away the 116 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 3: Steelers game, they did give away the Jets game, and 117 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 3: then result, what happened the other day, one of these 118 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 3: improbable comebacks that felt like the football guys were on 119 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 3: the Bengals side, and oh wait, the Bengals defense happened. 120 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 3: So that's why if you're Zach Taylor, man, you've got 121 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 3: to be careful because they the defense should. 122 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: Know they're not holding up there into the bargain. 123 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 3: Nothing Chase Brown said was offensive. He said, we're gonna 124 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 3: stick together. He also said, and the freaking game, which 125 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 3: is exactly what the defense. That's how they should feel. 126 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 3: They should be angry and embarrassed. 127 00:05:58,040 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 2: You go into a bye week and you have an 128 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 2: oppertunity to do some self doubt and kind of reset 129 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 2: and recharge a little bit. Is there anything that you 130 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 2: think this team will be able to find during the 131 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 2: bye that would give them a chance to succeed more 132 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 2: than what we've seen coming out of the bye. 133 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 3: I mean it's very simple things like again, I'm not mad. 134 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 3: I've said this multiple times, which is kind of embarrassing 135 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 3: because in that situation, the last thing you want to 136 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 3: do on first and ten is give up a twenty 137 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 3: three yard pass over the middle. But you give up 138 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 3: that twenty three yard pass, and I'm not even mad 139 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 3: about that. Just make the play, make to tackle, keep 140 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 3: the guy in. 141 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 4: Front of you. 142 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 3: I have a little pride with that, Like at some 143 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 3: point it's got to sicken you that you keep playing 144 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 3: this way if you're one of these defensive players that's 145 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 3: playing all the time. And whether it's Caleb Williams on 146 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 3: third and ten, the play before the Coastal Loveland pass, 147 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 3: whether it's at Briar Mooth somehow score on that play, 148 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 3: Like it's just time and time and time again, and 149 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 3: it should just be impossible for this to continue to 150 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 3: repeat itself, and yet it does. And so that's it is, 151 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 3: literally the basic fundament. Just tackle when you're in position 152 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 3: to make a tackle. And there were three guys in 153 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 3: position to tackle coast and level before he got to 154 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 3: the end zone. None of them did. Both safeties and 155 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 3: Josh Newton Like that's. 156 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: That's level one. 157 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 3: Like that's something that on day one of high school 158 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 3: football you've learned for multiple years going into those tryouts 159 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 3: in high school. 160 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 5: James, your buddy Mike Florio said on his show the 161 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 5: other day that there is bubbling, a bubbling up of 162 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 5: this idea that Duke Tobin could be let go. I 163 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 5: don't know that I'm buying it, but I do think 164 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 5: it's noteworthy that Mike Florio said it. What's your reaction 165 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 5: to that and the reaction to what he has said? 166 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 3: Did you mean the report from my floorio a really 167 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 3: in depth report, that's what outlets called it, in social 168 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 3: media called it the report? It was seven minutes into 169 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 3: a show where he's just talking like you and me. No, look, 170 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 3: clear speculation from Florida. I don't think he's in the 171 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 3: know at all when it comes to Duke Tobin seature. 172 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 3: And that's not me being mean to him, it's just 173 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 3: the reality. But the reality is also we're talking about, 174 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 3: arguably and if they continue this pace, the worst defense 175 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 3: in NFL history, like not Bengals history, not in the 176 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 3: AFC North, not this year, in the elite, like in 177 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 3: NFL history, which that's a long time with a lot 178 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 3: of teams and a lot of players, Like that's really tough. 179 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 3: And so what I think my Flourio is saying is 180 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 3: if this doesn't turn around at all, heads are going 181 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 3: to roll at paper a stadium and they should. And 182 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 3: I don't know if that means Duke Tobin, but it might. 183 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 3: If you can you to have the not the NFL worst. Again, historically, 184 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 3: one of the worst may be the worst depending on 185 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 3: what happens over the next eight weeks. After this week, 186 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 3: the next eight games worst defense in history, right, So 187 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 3: that's that's where I'm at, and I think that's where 188 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 3: the Bengals are at. That's why they've They've stayed pat 189 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 3: They're patient, go go evaluate these eight games. But the 190 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 3: basic art of tackling someone deserves blame. If Jordan Battle 191 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 3: and year three, who is a third round pick, doesn't 192 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 3: know how to tackle, Geno Stone, a guy that clearly 193 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 3: people in the building wanted to sign, can't tackle Josh Newton, 194 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 3: the guy that's routinely gotten play. 195 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: And I'm picking on men because it was obviously the 196 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: game deciding play. It isn't just them. 197 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 3: Brett Arder, Demetrius Knight, like a lot of these guys 198 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 3: have really struggled to tackle and it's embarrassing. And so 199 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 3: if you can't show any improvement over the next eight weeks, 200 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 3: I wouldn't rule anything out because it is that bad. 201 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: Now. 202 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 2: Question for you, James, because I know when you go 203 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 2: to a press conference, you put hours upon hours into 204 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:09,719 Speaker 2: the questions that you're going to ask based on who 205 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 2: you get to speak to, let me put you on 206 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 2: the spot and let's just say something crazy happens, and 207 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 2: Duke Tobin is going to take the podium and he's 208 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 2: going to answer questions about this team and about the deadline. 209 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 2: What is something that you'd like to hear from Duke 210 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 2: Tobin that would maybe answer some questions about now in 211 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 2: the future of this team. 212 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 3: First things first, he said in February that they didn't 213 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 3: want to pay for the same team, right, And not 214 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 3: only did they pay for the same team and pay 215 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 3: more for the same team outside of a few draft picks. 216 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: But they haven't gotten the results out of the rookies. 217 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: And so that's the issue. 218 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 3: Like on this offseason, when you put your off season 219 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 3: playing together, Duke, obviously you envisioned something working out on defense. 220 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: What was it? Why hasn't it worked? I think that's 221 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: where it goes. Now. There's a lot of things that 222 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: go into that. 223 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 3: Duke is not going to talk about the deadline or 224 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 3: anything like that, and I think that's an issue in 225 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 3: and of itself. 226 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: They also think that. 227 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 3: I genuinely wonder if this is all on Duke from 228 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 3: a draft standpoint, how much is other people in the 229 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 3: front office, how much of it is the coaching staff, 230 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 3: how much of it is ownership and them saying, oh, well, 231 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 3: we're not going to spend on this spot in free 232 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 3: agency to fill it in the draft, and then it 233 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 3: feels like they need to force it with the last 234 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 3: player in whatever bucket they want to talk about, and 235 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 3: so they have to, Like, I think there's so many 236 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 3: factors in questions, and it's not just Duke, the entire 237 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 3: front office. 238 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: I need truth to them to get the answers. But yeah, 239 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: I think it would start with. 240 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 3: That the off season plan, what they did in free agency. 241 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 3: Obviously they paid for the same team. Obviously they tried 242 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 3: to focus on defense early in the draft and revamp 243 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 3: a linebacker for the that doesn't feel revamped. It just 244 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 3: feels like it's cheaper and worse than it was a 245 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 3: year ago. 246 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 5: What is your crystal ball prediction for how the Bengals 247 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 5: handle Trey Hendrickson next offseason? 248 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 3: It feels like a tag is coming, doesn't If he 249 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 3: plays like Trey Hendrickson, it certainly feels like a tag 250 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 3: is coming. 251 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: His agent left that door open. I can't believe they 252 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: agreed that the deal. 253 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 3: They did because it because it leaves the door open again, 254 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 3: and I get it. They're like, oh, well, we're not 255 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 3: going to tag us at that number. Well, if you 256 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 3: look at it, because they put that, they're not going 257 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 3: to get two into the leads. But because you of 258 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 3: the way the Bengals manipulated the cat, it's going to 259 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,959 Speaker 3: be a reasonable number, reasonable cap. 260 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: Hit if Trey is worth it. And so if it 261 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: were me and he plays. 262 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 3: Well, I'd probably tag and then trade him and get 263 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 3: that asset and move on, just because you know he's 264 00:12:58,200 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 3: he wants a long term deal. If you know you're 265 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 3: going to pay him long term, well then what's the point. 266 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 3: And that's what I felt like going into the deadbine 267 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 3: at three and six. If the offers weren't there, they 268 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 3: weren't there, fine, but yeah, I would imagine they would 269 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 3: tag him now if he doesn't play well. 270 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,359 Speaker 1: If he's nicked up, if all those things. 271 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 3: But he's kind of force his way into free agency 272 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 3: by not being worth the tag. I guess he could, 273 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 3: but that's gonna hurt his bottom line, So why would 274 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 3: he want to do that. 275 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 2: The rookies on the defensive side of the ball, a 276 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 2: lot is being made about the rookies and their play 277 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 2: Barrett Carter, Demetrius Knight, Shamar Stewart. You get to this 278 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:37,959 Speaker 2: point of the year, you're not rookies anymore. You're you're 279 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 2: nine games in to the NFL, and I know you're 280 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 2: learning along the way, and it's unfair to to to 281 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 2: come to a conclusion already. But what you've seen thus 282 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 2: far or not seen thus far, how concerned are you 283 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 2: because you have to hit on these guys, You're you 284 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 2: don't have any other linebackers, You're you're depleted at pass rush. 285 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 2: What is your feel on on the trajectory? Can they 286 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 2: get this turned around? Uh? Is there a brighter future ahead? 287 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 2: Or is this something that's extremely worrisome to you? 288 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 3: I'm really surprised that's Schamar and maybe it's injury related, 289 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 3: but that Shamar is playing the way he's played, and 290 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 3: not because of his college film and all those things, 291 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 3: because all those things, like everyone now is told you 292 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 3: told you, I told you told you. But man in 293 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 3: training camp, I thought he I thought he was disruptive. Tony, 294 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 3: you were down there and I think I thought something 295 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 3: there he hit a quarterback the wrong one, And so 296 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 3: I don't know what the hell is going on. Maybe 297 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 3: it is injury related, but that needs to be fixed 298 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 3: because I thought he was so physically imposing in camp 299 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 3: and the skills that the skill set of just the 300 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 3: traits were so good that he would be disruptive, maybe 301 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 3: not have a lot of facts, but disruptive and chaos 302 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 3: creating as a rookie and we just haven't seen it. 303 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 3: And maybe that's because Trades hasn't been out there with him, whatever, 304 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 3: but I want to see it. 305 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 5: Now. 306 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 3: He's dealing with the knee issue, so hopefully that gets 307 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 3: cleared up and he can be all right. But that's 308 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 3: that is extremely concerning because that's the picks needed to 309 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 3: hit off and there was risk involved. By the end 310 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 3: of training camp, I didn't feel like it was that risky. 311 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 3: And now I'm I don't know what to think because 312 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 3: my eyes weren't lying during camp and it's November and 313 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 3: camp was a long time ago. 314 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: How does the Demetrious Knight go go ahead? 315 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 4: No, go ahead, finish finish with the rookies. 316 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, the Demetrious Knight and Barrett hard picks. I told 317 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,239 Speaker 3: Austin on draft Day, like they better not take Demetrious 318 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 3: Knight in the second round, like before the round like, 319 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 3: this better be a third round pick. 320 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: And they shouldn't. They took him in round. 321 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 3: Two, and because we were just talking about candidates that 322 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 3: could go. By the way, Unfairchild was a candidate that 323 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 3: could go. 324 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking about him. 325 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 3: In round two. I was thinking about him in round three. 326 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 3: That's where he went round three. So to take him 327 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 3: in round two knowing that he was inexperienced at linebacker 328 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 3: and that's exactly what he was going to be twenty 329 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 3: five in July. Obviously he's twenty five now. It's just 330 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 3: a risky pick. It's just a risky pick when you 331 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 3: look at his profile. 332 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: He better hit the ground running right. 333 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 3: Away because he's going to be Logan Wilson's age by 334 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 3: the end of his rookie contract. Yeah, and it's it's 335 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 3: it's tough because he's getting a lot of playing time, 336 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 3: but he's obviously not playing well. 337 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: Barrett Carter same thing, you know. 338 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 3: I think, honestly, Berrett Carter in the fourth round versus 339 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 3: Demetrius in the second much better value there. Feel comfortable 340 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 3: with it, fine with playing him. I just don't know 341 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 3: why they invested in two linebackers. 342 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: Like they did. 343 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 3: Maybe we're not saying this a year from now. Maybe 344 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 3: we're not saying that six weeks from now and things 345 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 3: turn around, but it just doesn't feel good for a 346 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 3: defense that needed plug and play startable guys in the draft. 347 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 4: How will James Rapine be spending his bye weekend? 348 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: You know, a little R and R. We're going to 349 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: try to try to shut the eyes, catch. 350 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 3: The breath of little bit now a little bit. I 351 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 3: have some stuff playing over the next few days. But no, 352 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 3: I'll try to do the Tony Pike thing. Get on 353 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,360 Speaker 3: the Tony Pike private jet, go somewhere for a few 354 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 3: days and uh, you know, hey, I put in a 355 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 3: request to rent it, and it doesn't sound like that's 356 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 3: going to go through, but you know the uh, it's 357 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 3: it works too. 358 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: That will get us from you to. 359 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 2: Be uh, what is the easiest way to follow along 360 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 2: with everything? So much to talk about with this team 361 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 2: and coming out of a bye week, what's the easiest 362 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 2: way to follow along with everything? 363 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 4: You got? 364 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 3: Bengals Talk dot Com do a video is dropping maybe 365 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 3: right now as we speak on Cincinnati Bengals Talk on 366 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 3: YouTube and the Lockdown Bengals podcast. 367 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 2: James we appreciate you man. Look forward to talking again soon. 368 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 2: Have a have a great bye weekend. 369 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 5: Thanks, James. 370 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 1: We need we need to have a few cold ones soon. 371 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 2: So yeah, you promised that after you know, showed the 372 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 2: Hall of Fame night. So uh yeah, just let me. 373 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 5: Talk. 374 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 4: A lot of talk tickets were free. 375 00:17:58,480 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 5: I'll talk. 376 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 4: Just showing up, ball, don't lie, Just show up, man, 377 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 4: Thank you, James. 378 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 2: Just show up, James, have a great all. 379 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 4: Right, we'll break, we'll come back. 380 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 2: Well, we'll wrap up a couple of things here when 381 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 2: we get back, and then we'll get to Mowega with 382 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 2: quick kits on the SPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. 383 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 6: Ky Cincinnati, make us the number one pre set on 384 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 6: your car radio and on the free, new and improved 385 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 6: iHeartRadio ad Free never sounded so good. 386 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 4: ESPN fifteen thirty. 387 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 6: The Colorectal Cancer Alliance wants you to know a lot 388 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 6: of things in life are preventable. 389 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 4: Ooh, gas station, sushi. 390 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 6: That's preventable. 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