1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: My name is, well, it really doesn't matter what my 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: name is. 3 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 2: Uh Art Rooney the second did the blah blah blah 4 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 2: on the Steelers website, which is decidedly safe territory. He 5 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 2: said the Steelers are open to Aaron Rodgers returning. Gee, 6 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 2: I never would have guessed that, what with hiring McCarthy 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 2: and all McCarthy like we've been saying reportedly likes Will 8 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 2: Howard Rooney said that, But that's slip service maybe two 9 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 2: unless it's not. And Art said he's not concerned about 10 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 2: winning the initial press conference. Yeah, I get it, just 11 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: don't get beat thirty to six at the initial press conference, 12 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 2: and Art said he's not concerned with social media. The 13 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 2: minute he said that, that was Art admitting that he is. 14 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 2: So again call the show now a three three four 15 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 2: one two w XDX, and we could talk about the 16 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 2: Penguins too, because how about those Penguins four and oho 17 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 2: out west and they finished the sweep with a three 18 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 2: to two win at Vancouver yesterday. Skinner kind of stole 19 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 2: it in the third when the Penguins got tired. Skinner's 20 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 2: a good goalie. The numbers don't lie, and right now 21 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 2: they spell seven and one in his last dight, starts 22 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 2: one point six to three goals against over that span, 23 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 2: say percentage of point nine three four. That's just phenomenal. 24 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 2: And he was in the last two Stanley Cup finals, 25 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 2: so he expects to win. 26 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: Jari just wasn't like that. Jari just had zero heart. 27 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 2: Skinner appears to at least have something ticking in his 28 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 2: chest cavity. Skinner won three of the four games on 29 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 2: the trip. It looks like he is going to be 30 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 2: the number one goalie. We'll see how the rotation works 31 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 2: out in these next three home games. I bet Skinner 32 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: starts two of them, though I bet he starts Thursday 33 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 2: when the Penguins return home to play Chicago and the 34 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 2: seats need to be filled for the game. And how 35 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 2: about Skinner made that flurry save yesterday like like Flower 36 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: did to close out Game seven against Detroit and Lidstrom 37 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 2: in O nine. Not quite the same circumstance, not quite 38 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 2: the level of difficulty, but it was great. 39 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 1: Uh. 40 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 2: Kindle scored twice. He had one hundred and ninety two 41 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 2: people there because he's from Vancouver, his hometown. One hundred 42 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 2: and ninety two people. That's a lot of cash for them. 43 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 2: Tickets because they weren't in the cheap seats. You get 44 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 2: two freebies, so Kendall had to pay for one hundred 45 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 2: and ninety tickets. And uh, rookies make a lot, but 46 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 2: not that you'd want to buy one hundred and ninety 47 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 2: tickets all the time. But it was worth it because 48 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 2: Kindle scored twice. His friends and relatives were right there 49 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 2: to see it after not scoring for nineteen games. It 50 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 2: might be added, I got to credit the slump dog, slumpbuster, 51 00:02:58,440 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 2: weave your magic Colby arms. 52 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: Gino scored again. 53 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 2: That line is onto something, Geno, Noovak and Chinakov. Actually, 54 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 2: as I've been saying, all four lines fit together pretty well, 55 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 2: and that's a major strength for the Penguins, major strength. 56 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 2: How many teams have four legit lines? Now that might 57 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 2: be short term, it might not last. The Achari line 58 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 2: is terrific, the fourth line, the Geno line is instant 59 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 2: chemistry kindle between the two twin towers. It ain't great, 60 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 2: but it's good enough. They're producing enough. And the Sid line, well, 61 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 2: it is as advertised, although kind of quiet yesterday, and 62 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 2: that's okay. You won yesterday when Sid was kind of quiet. 63 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 2: It's good to do that sometimes, So anyway, four lines 64 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 2: that fit together good, that's a major strength. The Penguins 65 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: are second in the metro, four points ahead of the 66 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: third place New York Islanders. That's solid. Eleven to two 67 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 2: and two since the holiday break. Scored first again last night. 68 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 2: The peen was have scored first in all eleven wins 69 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 2: stance to break and our seven and one in their 70 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 2: last eight road games. When they were blowing those leads 71 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 2: and losing those shootouts, I said, that's how you don't 72 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 2: make the playoffs. Seven and one in your last eight 73 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 2: road games, That's exactly how you do make the playoffs. 74 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: So it looks good right now. 75 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 2: Dukes is excited, so am I. Oh. Gino looked like 76 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 2: he heard his shoulder at game's end, maybe celebrating that 77 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 2: had suck me. You said he's okay. Gino said he's okay, 78 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 2: But they've lied before. Brian Rust did some canuck in 79 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 2: the head that brock Besser. He's going to get a 80 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 2: hearing with the league. I didn't even notice it, and 81 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 2: I went back and saw it on YouTube. But don't 82 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 2: look that bad to me, and that isn't RUSS game. 83 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: So if he would get suspended. That would would just 84 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 2: I don't know. I just don't think you should be suspended. 85 00:04:58,040 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 2: That's right, Frank. 86 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: X, are you mad at Superius? What were you afraid 87 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 1: more of? 88 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 3: Satan? 89 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: Or Tea bagging? 90 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 2: Cark bagging? 91 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 4: Great story, compelling and RICHTX at one five nine. 92 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 2: Get your calls in now eight three, three, four one 93 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 2: two WXDX. I want your reaction to the McCarthy higher. 94 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 2: Or we could just talk penguins, because they're the bigger 95 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 2: story now and they're going someplace besides the same old place. 96 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 2: Steelers are just headed right back to where they've been 97 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 2: the last nine years. 98 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: And that's a best case scenario. Uh. 99 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 2: I'm almost done with Heated Rivalry. That's the Gay Hockey 100 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 2: Series on HBO Max. And by calling it that, I'm 101 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 2: just trying to simplify the description. That's what it's known 102 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 2: as everywhere is the Gay Hockey Series. It's really really good. 103 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 2: I mentioned that on Tim Benz's podcast and he kind 104 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 2: of pooh poohed this fan fiction and he's got a point. 105 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 2: For those who don't know, fan fiction is like stories 106 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 2: written about famous people, except it's fiction and it is 107 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 2: often sexual. Now, these guys in Heated rivalry the gay 108 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 2: hockey players. They're not real people, they're fictitious, but it 109 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 2: does have that element of fan fiction in it. 110 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: And I found out what. 111 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 2: Fan fiction was years ago online when I saw an 112 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 2: article what if Chris Jona, Ronaldo and Steven Gerard were 113 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 2: on the same team? And Ronaldo is my favorite non 114 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 2: Liverpool player ever and Girard is one of my three 115 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 2: favorite athletes ever, along with Sid and Mario. 116 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: So I'm like, yeah, that'd be cool if they were 117 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 1: on the same team. 118 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 2: And then when I read it, I got a lot 119 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 2: more than I bargained for. How about the B team 120 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 2: had people driving to the studio Saturday and Sunday under 121 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 2: the threat of severe weather to do like emergency shows 122 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 2: about the McCarthy hiring what a bunch of fing Marks 123 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 2: ay it can keep till Monday, and b when there's 124 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: threat of severe weather, nobody's in their car to listen. 125 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 2: Sports talk is about people in the car listening. But 126 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 2: that's Pittsburgh. The Gestapo were killing people in Minnesota a 127 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 2: foot of snowfell. But the emergency unquote is the Steelers 128 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 2: coaching higher. Let's go to Newman, Newman, you're on the 129 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 2: Mark Madden show. 130 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 5: Hey, I think Dubas's plan is probably to go with 131 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 5: Mershaw than she loves after this season. But do you 132 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 5: think there's any possibility that Skinner could play his way 133 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 5: into a new contract. 134 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: Well, here's the problem, h Newman. 135 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 2: Let's say that they win a playoff series with Skinner 136 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 2: after he got to two straight finals with Edmonton, what 137 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 2: would his price be in free agency? 138 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: You know, couldn't he make. 139 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 2: More, especially in an era where there aren't many good goaltenders. Newman, 140 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 2: couldn't he make more hitting free agency? And the Penguins 141 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 2: wouldn't want to pay that given that their original plan 142 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 2: did not include him. 143 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's definitely true. The funny thing about him is 144 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 5: it's kind of hard to judge where he would land, 145 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 5: just because when you look at his past performance, you know, 146 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 5: he didn't have particularly good stats, but he obviously played 147 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 5: for a very defensively deficient Wheelers team. 148 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 2: It was very much like Barasso with Pittsburgh and grand 149 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 2: Fure with the Gretzki overs. It wasn't about status, was 150 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 2: about making the save you needed to. And some people 151 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 2: might blame Skinner for losing two finals, Like Peer maguire 152 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:46,199 Speaker 2: said on this program, that's a lot easier than Edmonton 153 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 2: Starrs having to look in the mirror. Skinner got him there. 154 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 2: He made a lot of big saves. I'm not saying 155 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 2: he was blameless and losing those finals, but he did 156 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 2: get him there. Thank you for the call. Good stuff. 157 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 2: It would take a lot, though, given the Hilloffs is 158 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 2: still under contract for next year, it would take a 159 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 2: lot for them to deviate from the plan moving forward, which, 160 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 2: unless I really miss my guess is to have Shilloffs 161 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 2: and morishof as the goaltenders next year. Then again, you know, 162 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 2: a playoff run, and I'm certainly not counting on that. 163 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: I'm not even counting on them making it yet. 164 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 2: As good as the Penguins played out West in that 165 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 2: four game streak and being eleven two and two since 166 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 2: the holiday break, they did lose eight games in a 167 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 2: row not that long ago. I'm still not sure what 168 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 2: this team is. I like the way it's looking right now, though, 169 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 2: so I mean, if they have a playoff run, I 170 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 2: don't know that could change plans. I don't think so though, 171 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 2: very much, because I think Dubas has a real notion 172 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 2: of where this is headed, and it's just not a 173 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:53,839 Speaker 2: kind of lucky. I don't know where a playoff run 174 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 2: right now, let's go to Jake. Jake your own with double. 175 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: M Hey Mark, how's it going? Love your SI? Thank you? 176 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 5: Hey Wan? 177 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 4: Did to talk about Ronaldo but I was told I can't, 178 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 4: So I just want to bring up Mike McCarthy. 179 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: What do you think? 180 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 5: Do you think they're on pace for. 181 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:12,719 Speaker 6: Another, you know, slightly above five hundred season, or do 182 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 6: you think it's. 183 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: Going to be you know, bad and we get a 184 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: good draft pick. 185 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 5: What are your thoughts? 186 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: I think it depends who he plays at quarterback, don't you. 187 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 2: I mean, if he plays if he plays Will Howard, 188 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 2: it probably means four and thirteen to my mind, although. 189 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: That certainly won't be the intent in playing him. The 190 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 1: intent would be to. 191 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 2: Find out one way or the other and then react 192 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 2: accordingly in the next in the next draft regarding the 193 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 2: quarterback position. But but yeah, I mean I think it's 194 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 2: like if you made me dictate a likely scenario. I 195 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 2: think they get a veteran like a Joe Flacco, run 196 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: it back and go like nine and eight. Again that's 197 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 2: not again. They went ten and seven last year, ten 198 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 2: and seven the year before. But you get the idea. 199 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 2: I think they'll get a veteran quarterback and stick in 200 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 2: the mushy middle. The one thing that could change is 201 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 2: that Howard could be the number two. Then again, they 202 00:10:58,920 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: got Rudolph under Contra. 203 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. 204 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 2: I know what I would do. It's probably not what 205 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 2: they would do. It's been pointedly opposite what I would 206 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 2: do now for years. Thank you for the call up. Next, 207 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 2: we'll see what Matt Williamson thinks our football gur we 208 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 2: we just throwund the corner. 209 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: On one O five to. 210 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 7: Nine Thursday night, the Pens face off against the Blackhawks. 211 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 7: Game time is seven. Our coverage starts at six here 212 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 7: every game and the best coverage right here on your 213 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 7: Home of the Pens one five nine b X. 214 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: This is Chris Bruce Ard. Here's what's trending from the 215 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: Iheartsports Network, presented by Discover Bus. 216 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 3: Steelers and Mike McCarthy came to an agreement to make 217 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 3: him their new top man on Saturday. It replaces Mike Tomlin, 218 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 3: he stepped down after nineteen seasons on the ice. 219 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: The Penguins beat the Canucks yesterday. That was their fourth 220 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: win in a row. 221 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 3: They're back on the ice on Thursday, they'll take on 222 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 3: Chicago and the Pats out lasted the Broncos in a 223 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 3: defensive battle. 224 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: Yesterday Seahawks top the Rams. 225 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 3: That sets up Super Bowl sixty on February eight, I'm 226 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 3: Scott said, guess what did. 227 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: The fast playing Grandma? I'm ready to go to Tim 228 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: Hortons for the fat freeze donuts. The ex at one 229 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: five nine, joining me now. 230 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 2: In studio for our emergency broadcast in severe weather because 231 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 2: the Steelers hired to coach. He is our football guru, 232 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 2: former pro and college Scott Matt Williamson. Matt, give me 233 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 2: the front page. What's your take on the McCarthy higher. 234 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 2: What are the pros and cons? 235 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 4: All right, let's start with the cons. First of all, 236 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 4: I didn't quite understand the timing. I didn't understand why 237 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 4: you wouldn't bring in both those Rams coaches today tomorrow, whatever. 238 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: Why Why such the rush. 239 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 4: Because I don't think there was a ton of teams 240 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 4: banging down the door for him. And if it was, 241 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 4: it was Cleveland and he's never going to take that 242 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 4: job over Pittsburgh anyway. Another con, I worry about not longevity, 243 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 4: but I worry about keeping up with the trends of 244 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 4: the league and all the scheming and you know those 245 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 4: type of things. I think he's a good offensive coach, 246 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 4: but his scheme is a little bit not outdated at all, 247 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 4: but sixty two yeah, yeah, I mean it's very efficient. 248 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 4: It's it's gonna be a way a big upgrade over 249 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 4: the schemes they've had, no question, But I do think it's. 250 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:19,599 Speaker 1: A short term situation. 251 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 4: But I'll be honest, Mark, I mean, I guess I'm 252 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 4: initially understand it, but I hope people are starting to 253 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 4: warm up to the logic behind this, as everyone wanted 254 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 4: Shuler or a young guy that's gonna be here a 255 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 4: thousand years. But I think the whole key to the 256 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 4: higher was, we know this team does not want to 257 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 4: bottom out, you know that to stay competitive, they want 258 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 4: a division this year, but more importantly, find somebody that's 259 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 4: gonna develop or find and develop the next quarterback. That 260 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 4: has to be the entire goal. And even like the 261 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 4: shield Houses and some of those exciting young offensive dudes, 262 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 4: they're gonna learn how to be a head coach and 263 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 4: then they're gonna learn how to develop quarterback. 264 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: McCartney has developed quarterback. 265 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 2: Yes, even even Bummy guys like like I had critics saying, 266 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 2: well Montana Rogers, they ain't gonna have them here. But 267 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 2: even okay with with that, the kind of bummy guy 268 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 2: in New Orleans. And then Cooper Rush when he had 269 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 2: to play, he did okay with those guys. 270 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 6: He made them better than they had been. That's what 271 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 6: Zachel Aaron says. Aaron Brooks was one Cooper Rush. When 272 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 6: Dak got hurt, they stayed very competitive and since then 273 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 6: Cooper Rush has been garbage. Even back in the day 274 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 6: with Kansas City, Bono was pretty darn effective for those guys. 275 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: So that's a long time going back. He was a 276 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: scab quarterback exactly. Now. 277 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was surprised they got it over with the 278 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 2: search so quickly. Only talked to three candidates, and to 279 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 2: be blunt, two of those were minorities to satisfy the 280 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 2: Rooney rule. It almost seems like they had McCarthy picked 281 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 2: out right away. 282 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: And I do find myself wondering, go. 283 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 4: Ahead, maybe that should be a benefit, you know. So 284 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 4: one thing I did a lot of research on since 285 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 4: the hire is his resume is almost carbon copy, cut 286 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 4: and paste, exactly the same as Sean Payton's was the 287 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 4: day Denver traded for him. Remember they didn't sign him 288 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 4: and Sean Payton just got eliminated yesterday. You know, I mean, 289 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 4: did they look at this whole situation and think, boy, 290 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 4: I can't believe that guy's still available. That's definitely who 291 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 4: we want. Will go through the process and grab them. 292 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 2: Here's another thing I found myself wondering, and this is 293 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 2: me reading a lot of the situation but not talking 294 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 2: to Schulan Shieldhouse Matt. 295 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: I wondered if maybe that was them. 296 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 2: The two coaches possibly looking at the Steelers not being 297 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 2: at all an analytics team. And from what I'm told, 298 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 2: the Rams are heavy into analytics. 299 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 4: Oh, they're the most forward thinking organization in the entire league. 300 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: See, but I would want that. But that doesn't mean 301 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean. 302 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 4: Artwood agreed or like you said, maybe the Rams don't 303 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 4: want the Steelers. You know, I would love to be 304 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 4: a fly on the wall and to know who's telling 305 00:15:58,160 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 4: who yes and knowing those things. 306 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: Now, what kind of staff will he assemble? 307 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 2: Because he has the connections and he has he does. 308 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 4: And to me, that's the most the most important. Next 309 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 4: thing to pay attention to the things I'm looking for 310 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 4: like if I was an owner. As soon as I this, 311 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 4: the next most important hire is an O a line coach. 312 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 4: You know, we saw the benefits of a munchak here 313 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 4: what a great O line coach can do. So I'm 314 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 4: super curious to see what he does there. And you're right, 315 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 4: he does have a lot of connections. A lot of 316 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 4: them are Western Pa guys. I'm sure there'll be a 317 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 4: couple of those dudes. I would love to see some 318 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 4: young offensive mind. You know, maybe he's not even a 319 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 4: big name doing. 320 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: He says, McCarthy's going to call the plays anyway, he's 321 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: a call players. 322 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 4: But maybe there's somebody three years down the road that 323 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 4: could take over as the head. 324 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 2: Guys, And if you get a younger OC to work 325 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 2: under McCarthy, maybe he bounces some ideas off McCarthy that 326 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 2: they can marry into what Mike likes to do. 327 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. I mean again, I don't know if shield 328 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 4: House would be interested. But somebody from somebody like that, 329 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 4: somebody like that, from an organization like that. I know 330 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 4: a lot of people said, well, he better go get 331 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,719 Speaker 4: a young defensive coordinator. Now, I don't care what the 332 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 4: age of the defensive coordinator is I'd love to find 333 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 4: Fangio Lebau that has is a lifer decordinator. But the 334 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 4: one thing I can assure you is the Steelers. I 335 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 4: think it goes out saying lost a lot of schematic 336 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 4: advantages on both sides of the ball over the last 337 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 4: five years, no question. I mean, I think there's nowhere 338 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 4: to go but up in terms of schematic advantages on 339 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 4: game day. 340 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 2: Well, you hear Al Harris, you know, maybe being the 341 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 2: defensive coordinator, and I don't know if he'd be good, bad, indifferent. 342 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 2: I know he's never been a coordinator before, but he 343 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 2: has worked with McCarthy, played under McCarthy in Green Bay. 344 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 2: My thing about the defense is, are you going to 345 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 2: get that defense to do anything different? 346 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: Because TJ. 347 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 2: Watt wants to play how he plays, Cam Hayward wants 348 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 2: to play how he plays. That defense has the biggest 349 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 2: price tag of any defense ever, and they still couldn't 350 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 2: get it to do much. I just think the guy 351 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 2: coming in, no matter what name he has or what 352 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 2: experiency has, is really up against it with those guys. 353 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 4: Maybe I'm not guarantee the Queen or Ramsey's on the team. 354 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 4: I mean, just in terms of cap numbers and things 355 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 4: like that. Do we know Cam's coming back? I would 356 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 4: assume he is. He played so well, you. 357 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 1: Know, you know. 358 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 2: It's funny though, And I give Kim all the respect 359 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 2: in the world round the season he did despite being 360 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 2: pissed about his money. Yeah, but is that a last 361 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 2: gasp for a new beginning. It's more than likely last gasp. 362 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,479 Speaker 2: And TJ wat is clearly in decline exactly. I mean, 363 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 2: it's TJA trade candidate. I think all these things are 364 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 2: things you could change real quick. In terms of being 365 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 2: the most expensive defense in the league, those four names 366 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 2: are eating up a lot of that money. That being said, though, 367 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 2: I mean, so here's give. 368 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:52,439 Speaker 1: Me a second. 369 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 4: Third in medium is the best situation to judge a 370 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 4: defensive coaching STAF. 371 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: Because that's where you're going to make decisions. 372 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 4: That's where you really got to know your opponent make decisions. 373 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 4: Third and long you can bring all your exotic stuff, 374 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 4: you can bring your blitz, You've got them where you 375 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 4: want them. Third and short you might just get muscled 376 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 4: off the ball. So third and medium, which is basically 377 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 4: three to six yards, is a really good barometer of 378 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 4: who the best defensive staffs are in the league. If 379 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 4: just take a guess where the Steelers were on third media. 380 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 2: The way you said, I'm going to say twenty third, 381 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 2: thirty second. That's last by a wide margin. Yikes, well 382 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 2: below the Bengals. Like that's just an example of being 383 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 2: two venyl. I mean, like again, there's nowhere to go 384 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 2: but up. An is of the players too, to be sure, 385 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 2: oh no doubt. 386 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: I mean they're the ones. 387 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 4: This isn't you know Madden, you know, but still it's 388 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 4: just one indictment of you know, being really static, people 389 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 4: knowing your tendencies. So I think there's nowhere to go 390 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 4: but up on both sides of the ball schematically. 391 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 2: Talking to Matt wants in our football Gurroum, brought to 392 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 2: us by shop dot Steelers dot com. What makes McCarthy 393 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 2: so good with quarterbacks? Like we said, he has a 394 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 2: good track record not just with great quarterbacks, but with 395 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 2: guys he had to elevate. 396 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 4: So I didn't know this answer until really the last 397 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 4: twenty four hours. I've been trying to do as much 398 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 4: homework as possible. And there's actually some of his old 399 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 4: and this is true for all coaches, but you can 400 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 4: search YouTube and find some of his old coaching clinics 401 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 4: and things like that. Well, he's well well well regarded 402 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 4: for being an extreme stickler of attention to detail, and 403 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 4: that's true for his practice, play and travel plans and 404 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 4: everything he does as a head coach, but especially with quarterbacks. 405 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 4: And you know, when you take this drop, you have 406 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 4: to put x amount of weight on the inside of 407 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 4: your foot. I mean, real, real, extreme details. And I 408 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 4: think that's a big reason that. Yes, he did coach 409 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 4: Montana and Rogers. 410 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: And he probably learned from some of them too. Absolutely. 411 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 4: I bet he learned a lot from Montana for sure, 412 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 4: you know, maybe and then translate to the other guys. 413 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 4: But he also got the most out of his really 414 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 4: good players as well as his not so good quarterbacks. 415 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 4: So I think that's the beauty of him is he 416 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,439 Speaker 4: keeps you competitive now and he can find and develop 417 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 4: the next quarterback, which is the most important thing in 418 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 4: the WHO organization. 419 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 2: How much do you think McCarthy's higher had to do 420 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 2: with wanting to bring Rogers back. I'm thinking less and 421 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 2: less the more I think about it. Yeah, and how 422 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 2: long should the Steelers wait for Rogers to decide? Because 423 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 2: I don't think it should be that long. No, and 424 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 2: I'm not even sure if they should want him back. 425 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 2: I mean, I think he is there. The options this 426 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 2: year are really rough, you know, but I think he 427 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 2: gives them probably the best chance to win today. 428 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 1: Why I can't wait till many can't he can't wait time. 429 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 2: I would give him till March first, like a week 430 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 2: before legal tampering for free agency, because if you get 431 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 2: the free agency, he's going to look for a better team. 432 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 1: That's just how he's wired. 433 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 2: I would imagine, and none might be forthcoming, but it 434 00:21:58,560 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 2: would take a while to iron out. 435 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, So back the original question, I think it's five 436 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 4: percent of the whole process of the McCarthy Rogers connection. 437 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: And do you think he comes back really torn? I mean, 438 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: do we think he even plays at all? 439 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 2: If they put an ultimatum on it, that'll make it easy. 440 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 2: He won't come back if they want him wait as 441 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:20,959 Speaker 2: long as he wants. 442 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: There's a better chance. 443 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 2: But there's most of a chance he really f's you 444 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 2: by not coming back at any rate with a new coach, 445 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 2: new playbook, new everything. 446 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: You want him there more. 447 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,360 Speaker 4: Agreed, Although he'll he'll get the he's a rocket scientist. 448 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 4: He'll get the playbook in two seconds. 449 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you want everybody else to get it with. 450 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 4: Him, right, And I think it took a while for 451 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 4: the rest of the Steelers his past year to get 452 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 4: it with him, and the game became more and more clear. 453 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: I can't harp on this enough. 454 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 4: And I don't know if this quarterback will join the 455 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 4: organization this year or not, but I do want Rogers 456 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 4: helping with the next guy. To me, that's his best value, 457 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 4: even if it's Will Howard, even. 458 00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: If it's even if he's like that. 459 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 2: But what do you do with Roodolph that I mean, 460 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 2: not the consequential to me, you think they just get 461 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 2: rid of him, just cut him, trading. 462 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 4: For a seventh round pick or whatever. I mean, not 463 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 4: that he doesn't have any value at all, but he would. 464 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: Not be a spool. You already know about him. 465 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 4: You exactly know about him, and you know exactly what 466 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 4: he is. And he was a little below the line 467 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 4: this year when he got out there. 468 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 2: But to me, like say, say Rogers doesn't come back, 469 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 2: because I just have a hunch he's not going to. 470 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 1: That's just the way I read the room. Who's the quarterback? 471 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 1: Is it Howard? Or do you bring in another veteran. 472 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 4: I would be very, very interested in Malik Willis in 473 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 4: free agency. 474 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, but he'll he'll get more money and better opportunity 475 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 2: somewhere else. Well, if you'll get a better opportunity, then again, 476 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 2: McCarthy might be intriguing to him. 477 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: I don't think Arthur Smith would have been. 478 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 4: That's well said. I think that's one hundred percent true. 479 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 4: That's the only free agent I'd be super interested in. 480 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 4: I'm not interested in trading for mac Jones or Kyler 481 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 4: Murray or those. 482 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 2: Don't mean either would you bring back a Flacco or 483 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 2: would you bring would you bring in a Kirk Cousins. 484 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 4: I don't love any of those, to be honest with you. Again, 485 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 4: the options are not great this year at all, which 486 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 4: keeps bringing me back to Rogers. 487 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it might keep bringing them back to Rogers. 488 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 2: Here's a scenario I could see happening. If he doesn't, 489 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 2: you know, they won't give him a deadline. It's just 490 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 2: not there, stolidly not right. But like they'll, they'll they'll 491 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 2: move on, or at least think they moved on, and 492 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 2: then if things aren't looking like they think they should, 493 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 2: they try to bring him in even during. 494 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 4: Camp, possibly possibly the Rogers stuff is hard to talk about. 495 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 2: Right because he's so in left field as a guy exact, 496 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 2: you just can't figure out what he's thinking, right. 497 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 4: I mean, would it shock me if three weeks from 498 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 4: now or a month from now, I can't wait to 499 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 4: be Steeler. I'm so thrilled Dave sign McCarthy. We're gonna 500 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 4: run it back. Maybe I would still consider drafting one, 501 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 4: but it's a poor draft class. I mean, frankly, I 502 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 4: think the next quarterback comes in the next draft. 503 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: Here's the way out of left field question. I do too, 504 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: I do too. 505 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 2: In fact, that's why I might consider starting Will Howard, 506 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 2: because you either discover your next guy or you get 507 00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 2: Arch Manning. 508 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, No, it's get that or even. 509 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 2: And the fans would buy into Will Howard getting a 510 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 2: chance to Yeah, because the minute Art said he doesn't 511 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 2: listen to the fans, that told me he's listening to 512 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 2: the fans. 513 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: Now. I mean, obviously, playing Rudolph gets you nowhere. 514 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 2: You know, now, the Steelers never look past the next season. 515 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 1: Rooney just reiterated that. 516 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 2: Talk about the pros and cons of that, and how 517 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 2: does hiring a veteran coach like McCarthy figure into that. 518 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 1: I think the pros are the locker room. 519 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's really hard to look Cam 520 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 4: Hayward in the face Isaac camaldhu. 521 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 2: Those I know what you mean, Mat, forget the interruption, 522 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 2: But here's my problem with that. Yeah, I hate not 523 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 2: see them always too much. I hate when Cam and 524 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 2: Watt are made to seem like victims of the Steelers 525 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 2: not winning a playoff game when they were out there too. 526 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 4: Play better, right, exactly exactly, But I do think I 527 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 4: think tanking in the NFL, on any level, and I 528 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 4: know that's not the extreme we were talking about, is 529 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 4: really hard to recover from. You can become the Browns 530 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 4: real quick, where winning is not. Actually, I don't. 531 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: Disagree with that. 532 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 2: But Will Howard's kind of the happy medium because it 533 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 2: doesn't start off as tanking. 534 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: Agreed. I just don't know if he's any good I mean, neither, 535 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: but find out right. 536 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 4: I mean, I get asked about Will Howard since he's 537 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 4: been drafted a million times, and the chances of a 538 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 4: six round pick being your answer are slim and none. 539 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: It does happen, and yeah, but Brady's the exception that 540 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 1: proves the rule. 541 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, Purdy and even Dax around that area. You know, 542 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 4: some of these guys are possible, and I would love 543 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 4: to know about him. I just think you can't put 544 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 4: all your eggs in that basket, even for this season. 545 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 2: Well, how close are the Steelers to be in a 546 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 2: team that could win a playoff game? 547 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: Because clearly that's what Art wants. 548 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 2: But making the playoffs and being a team that can 549 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 2: win a playoff game has certainly proven to be two different. 550 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 4: Things, two different things for sure. Now this isn't what 551 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 4: you asked, But not knowing the quarterback, I don't know how. 552 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: To answer that, to be honest with you. I mean, if. 553 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 4: It's Rogers, they're a lot closer than if it's Howard 554 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:57,360 Speaker 4: to winning a playoffs. 555 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: Let's say it's a quarterback. 556 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 2: Rogers or the Rough equivalency, and I don't know who 557 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 2: that would be. 558 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 1: Let's just say that, Okay. 559 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 4: One thing that's going to be the other massive priority 560 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 4: is McCarthy, unlike the former regime, wants to have three 561 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 4: receivers on the field almost all the time. Yes, and 562 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 4: really all you have is Metcalf, Roman, Wilson and Scornic. 563 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 1: That ain't gonna cut it. 564 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 2: You literally got to go get two more three or 565 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 2: believe in Roman Wilson. 566 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: And well, you're right two if you trust Wilson. 567 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 4: Three otherwise, Yeah, because I mean Metcalf might not even 568 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 4: be a one. 569 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: So that's a first one. 570 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 2: He's the Steelers best receiver, but he's not a one 571 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 2: in the Justin Jefferson sence. 572 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: Of course, of course, or the Smith the Jigbi sens 573 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: we saw. 574 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 4: But I'd love to go into camp with Wilson as 575 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 4: my fifth best guy and if he can give you 576 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 4: anything great, you know. I mean that's so super far 577 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 4: away with how they're constructed right now, but they could 578 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 4: get there. They could sign when they could draft one 579 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 4: and then a fourth round pick two or something. 580 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 5: You know. 581 00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 2: Man, here's a question, not necessarily relating to what we're discussing, 582 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 2: but should every NFL stadium have a roof for what 583 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 2: we saw in that AFC Championship game. 584 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 4: I've I like, lose my Pittsburgh cool guy card. But 585 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 4: I've thought this for like five years me too. I 586 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 4: think it's such a lesser product. You know, these guys 587 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 4: can hardly even run. 588 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:19,239 Speaker 2: It's a multi billion dollar industry, and you're deciding who 589 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 2: goes to your showcase event in circumstances that dictate more 590 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 2: than the talent on the field. 591 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, it'd be like the NBA playing outside and Steph 592 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 4: Curry can't shoot threes. 593 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: I'd like to see that. That'd be fun. Like the 594 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: winds blow, the winds blowing, like the three into the river. 595 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 2: Well, the NHL does play you know, the Winner Classic outdoors, 596 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 2: but those are regular season games and there's a totally 597 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 2: different purpose to those. 598 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 4: People don't get fired because they lost that game or 599 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 4: you know, not go to the Super Bowl or any 600 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 4: of those type of things. 601 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: But I've thought that forever. 602 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 4: I haven't said that back when Rogers was in his 603 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 4: prime in Green Bay, like, this is the best quarterback 604 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 4: in the league, but because the town he lives and 605 00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 4: he gets rewarded by not being able to throw well 606 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:01,959 Speaker 4: in the most important games. 607 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 2: Who's gonna win the Super Bowl? You know what the 608 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 2: line is? What four and a half? Right now? I 609 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 2: think it's gonna go up. I better go up. I 610 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 2: think Seattle's by far the better team. And that's no 611 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 2: knock on New England. I just think they're a team 612 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 2: that's going to win a super Bowl with this quarterback. 613 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: They just derived early. Yeah. Oh, I do too. 614 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 4: I think he's very very special, and they're way ahead 615 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 4: of schedule. 616 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: They've had a really. 617 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 4: Clear path, let's just say that easy path to where 618 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 4: they're going to be. I think Seattle's really really impressive. 619 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, their defense all you got. 620 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 2: I mean, I see people like still making fun of 621 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 2: Sam Darnold. You know, for all his prior failures, it's 622 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 2: become a pretty apparent. Well he was good in Minnesota, obviously, 623 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 2: it's pretty apparent before that. 624 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: The team's failed him, not he them. Oh yeah, I 625 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: mean these guys that get drafted by the Jets. And 626 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: then he went, you have no hope, no hope at all. 627 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: You know, let me tell you you're gonna laugh at this. Yeah, 628 00:29:59,000 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: I you know. 629 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 2: I he talked about this last week because it's a 630 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 2: long four hours. What would you think about bringing to camp? 631 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 2: I think he's still with Miami Zach Wilson. 632 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 4: I'm always in favor of bringing in a talented guy 633 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 4: for nothing. 634 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: I thought when he played a BYU he was a 635 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: great talent. 636 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I just think again, hopeless in New York 637 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 2: had no chance. 638 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: No chance. Now I would put no stock in it. 639 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, I just do it to 640 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 2: see I'd be throwing crack with the wall to see 641 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 2: what's stuck, but it couldn't hurt. 642 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: I think he's still under contract in Miami, though, isn't 643 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: he That I'd have to double check. I'm sure they 644 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: wou wouldn't mind if he left, right, But. 645 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 4: I'm always up for freebies that are super talented that 646 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 4: didn't work out. 647 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: I mean, you got nothing tie to them. 648 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, any chance of the leak, and you know what's funny, 649 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 2: I would like to see them get him. But he's 650 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 2: only started one game. Oh I know it was a 651 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 2: great game. Yeah, but he only started one game. I mean, 652 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 2: I mean you have that kind of faith in him 653 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 2: based on what we've seen. 654 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 4: No, but you can get out of those contracts. I mean, 655 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 4: he's not going to make fifty million a year. He's 656 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 4: gonna make twenty. 657 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 2: Oh like Justin Fields. Justin Fields concert a contract. 658 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, there'll be a little more about a little bit 659 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 4: inflation on top of the Justin Fields. 660 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 2: Let me tell you I would I wouldn't bring him back, 661 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 2: but I thought Justin Field should be given a longer 662 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 2: run here. I thought, when when Russ fell apart last year, 663 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 2: I would have brought Fields in near the end of 664 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 2: the year because I would have wanted to check him 665 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 2: out in tight situations and for the long term. Again, 666 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 2: I think he went to New York, and I mean 667 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 2: Daron Rodgers, who's one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, 668 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 2: failed miserably in New York. 669 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: That's all you need to know. 670 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 4: Everyone since Joe Namath has failed miserably in New York. 671 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: It's the worst environment in the planet. 672 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 2: Joe points that out occasionally he doesn't. 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