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Speaker 3: a to Z Sports. John when you hear that Joe

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Speaker 3: Flacco is starting a game for the Cincinnati Bengals in

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Speaker 3: the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty five. Your reaction

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Speaker 2: Well, I think, And when you're in any fever dream,

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Speaker 2: you just kind of have to just keep hugging along, right,

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Speaker 2: You just keep taking it one day at a time,

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Speaker 2: because I can't describe what the last month has been.

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Speaker 4: It's been crazy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh, how does it? Is this a good thing?

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Speaker 3: Does it mean hope? Does it at least at the

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Speaker 3: bare minimum, give Bengals fans hope that they can compete

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Speaker 3: this year?

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Speaker 2: I think the hope is the fact that they were

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Speaker 2: willing to do anything at all. I think because they've

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Speaker 2: developed a reputation obviously for never doing in season trades.

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Speaker 2: Of course, all three of them in their history have

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Speaker 2: come in the last five years under Zach Taylor.

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Speaker 4: All of them have.

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Speaker 2: Been prompted by some sort of desperation or something bad happens, right.

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Speaker 2: Carlos Dunlap sent off to Seattle because he blew up.

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Speaker 2: Khalil Herbert was brought in because the fans were just

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Speaker 2: dying for something when Zach Moss went down and the

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Speaker 2: offense needed some help. And obviously now you couldn't, like,

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Speaker 2: you couldn't stay with a straight face that you have

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Speaker 2: any confidence to Jake Brownie right, So like getting a

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Speaker 2: new face in their quarterback seemed very necessary and it

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Speaker 2: was a desperate move, And I think that's just how

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Speaker 2: you have to look at it.

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Speaker 4: Joe Flacco, there.

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Speaker 2: Isn't a high probability that he's for certain going to

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Speaker 2: be better than Jake Brining, Like that's just the reality

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Speaker 4: There is things to like about Joe Flacco compared to.

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Speaker 2: Jake Brownie right, a better arm, more experience, and you

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Speaker 2: think that the ball is going to get out quicker

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Speaker 4: But will the results be any different? It's really tough

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Speaker 2: But the fact that they're willing to do anything at all,

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Speaker 2: I think is relative to the Bengals standards commendable. And

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Speaker 2: I think that's if you want to hang around on anything,

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Speaker 2: if you're a Bengals fan, it's it's at least that.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that has an effect on the locker

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Speaker 3: room to say, Okay, they are at least trying to

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Speaker 3: do something to help us out here. Do you think

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Speaker 3: specifically it has an impact on Jamar Chase and t

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Speaker 4: I think so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think we've seen it so many other times

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Speaker 2: has derailed some seasons in the past. And I think

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Speaker 2: when you're specifically talking about the quarterback who is more

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Speaker 2: it happened to be Browning, it's really hard to galvanize

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Speaker 2: And when you're two and three, it's rarely a good

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Speaker 4: But this is a weird year for the AFC. Specifically

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Speaker 2: Keeps you somewhat alive, and if you're still holding out

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Speaker 4: Like that, that has to mean at least a little.

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Speaker 3: Above that, let's rewind to Sunday's game against Detroit. It

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Speaker 3: didn't feel like the defense embarrassed themselves against a really

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Speaker 3: What did you take away from the Bengals defense on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a little bit similar to the game

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Speaker 2: And I think the pass rush was a bit promising.

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Speaker 2: The Bengals got a big break without Taylor Decker playing

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I think we all came into this.

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Speaker 2: Game knowing that the lines were going to score points

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Speaker 2: They ended up scoring thirty five, and I think thirty

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Speaker 2: And I think that with the context of how many

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Speaker 3: this season, you aren't kidding. It's it's been a weird year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the linebackers are interesting, Like there was a lot

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Speaker 4: So that was interesting.

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Speaker 2: then of course he played one hundred percent steps in

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Speaker 2: and they run a lot of twelve personnel, more than

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Speaker 2: They only played like their third cornerback, Cam Tayler Bredell,

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Speaker 2: I don't have an issue with getting Breck Carter some exposure,

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Speaker 2: I think my focus was more on why was Miles

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Speaker 2: still a variable that I don't quite understand. It needs

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and looking at to Green Bay, a team that

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Speaker 3: When you think about this, matchup Sunday, Where does your

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Speaker 3: In your mind? What's the most important part.

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Speaker 2: I think their offense is not as consistent as maybe

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Speaker 2: it needs to be the Packers, but their receivers, I mean,

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Speaker 2: just going even back to the Rogers days, they create

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Speaker 2: some of these off platform throws, like he's got a

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Speaker 2: So obviously pressuring Love, I mean, it's the same song

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Speaker 2: But I think the onus right now for the Bengals

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Speaker 2: It works wondrous for that Packers offense, and their timing

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Speaker 2: that's something the Bengals quarterbacks DJ Turner, Dax Hill, Camp

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Speaker 2: I can't honestly like this is that this was the

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Speaker 2: I think everyone knew that he wasn't his full self

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Speaker 2: So it's really now or never for him to just

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Speaker 4: Right So it's not just here, but like.

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Speaker 2: What he's doing right now is impacting what his future

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Speaker 2: it's hard to understand how he can't wrap his mind

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Speaker 3: Talking about the Bengals offense, what do you expect it

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Speaker 3: to look like with Joe Flacco? What do you think

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think with Jake Brin and obviously you wanted

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Speaker 2: I think right now this offense is the worst in

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Speaker 4: They have to recognize that they.

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Speaker 2: Don't have the personnel to fulfill the passing game that

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Speaker 2: the expectation, that'd be the hope. Maybe you can reinstitute

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Speaker 2: some of those plays that hadn't been very successful for you,

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Speaker 2: I think, just the willingness to take advantage of these

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: It's been really frustrated, I think for both Jamar Chase

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Speaker 4: Getting the separation. They're getting these opportunities.

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Speaker 2: That you know, the play calling hasn't really been that

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Speaker 2: get there, right. Flago has never been a perfect quarterback

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Speaker 3: The other thing that stood out to me looking at

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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, like you said, progress is very marginal,

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Speaker 2: Chase Brown, and this is still not a very good

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Speaker 2: that Smaji Pieran has had, they've just been slightly better

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Speaker 2: try to keep up and everything like that. But Perran

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Speaker 2: is someone that you would still trust in obvious passing situations,

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Speaker 2: so it makes sense to get him on the field

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Speaker 2: and when the game script is still out of whack.

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Speaker 2: So that was kind of my top with the more

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Speaker 2: even snap splits and whatnot. But yeah, there still needs

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Speaker 2: to be a lot more work in just gaining space

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Speaker 2: for Chase Brown to do what he does because he's

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Speaker 2: just not been able to do that yet.

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Speaker 3: John Shearon, a is e Sports. Appreciate your time and

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Speaker 3: your flexibility. Where can people follow along with all you

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Speaker 3: got going on covering the Bengals?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course it is the Sports dot Com, Backslash

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati and on YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, wherever you get your

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Speaker 2: short form content. It is the Sports Cincinnati Follow us there.

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Speaker 3: Awesome, Thanks John, take it easy.

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Speaker 4: Thanks.

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Speaker 3: That is John Shearon, our guy, and uh hopefully gonna

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Speaker 3: stick with us the rest of the football season. Usually

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Speaker 3: every Thursday, but with the weird week this week and

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Speaker 3: me being out and Tony being gone, we're going to

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Speaker 3: move him up a day. And he was able to

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Speaker 3: of the Zach Taylor press conference. I am appreciative of

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Speaker 3: John for that. Speaking of the Zach Taylor press conference,

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Speaker 3: with the temperature of things today and reading through some

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Speaker 3: of the talkbacks, I think it's probably best if we

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Speaker 3: don't do that today. Probably best if we don't do talkbacks.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate the passion, I appreciate the desire, I appreciate

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Speaker 3: and respect that it is an outlet for you to

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Speaker 3: have your voice heard, but I think we need to

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Speaker 3: be careful. That being said, I'm not gonna do talkbacks today.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna come back and we're gonna play Zach Taylor's

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Speaker 3: press conference, which features an update that's not quite an

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Speaker 3: update on Joe Burrow, more information about Joe Flacco and

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Speaker 3: the plan for him and the Packers, and a whole

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Speaker 3: lot more that's next right here on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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