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Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.

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Speaker 2: The energy was.

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Speaker 3: Great in southern California leading up to, of course, this

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Speaker 3: first game of the World Series tonight, where the Toronto

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Speaker 3: Blue Jays just crushed our Los Angeles Dodgers eleven of four.

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Speaker 2: Oof.

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Speaker 3: Joining us now, my good friend and yours, mister Dodger himself,

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Speaker 3: Eric Spillman, live on the phone via from all the

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Speaker 3: way from Canada.

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Speaker 4: Yes, what a beat down? Huh yeah, man, huh brutal.

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Speaker 2: It was brutal. What happened.

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Speaker 4: What happened was that the Blue Jays, first of all,

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Speaker 4: I think are kind of underrated or underestimated by Dodger fans.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they're a very good hitting team, and they

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Speaker 4: proved it tonight, and they exploited the Dodgers weakness, which

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Speaker 4: is their bullpen. Blake Snell had an okay game. He

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Speaker 4: was sort of struggling a little bit with control. They

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Speaker 4: took them out of the game and they brought in

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Speaker 4: Imagean and that's when things went downhill really really quick.

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Speaker 4: Blue Jay's got a Grand slam Hoad home run, and

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Speaker 4: they got another home run all of a sudden, Before

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Speaker 4: you know it, they'd scored what was it nine runs

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Speaker 4: in that one inning?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, crazy, they just exploded.

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Speaker 4: But this is a team that is a really good team,

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Speaker 4: you know, and if you're a Dodger fan, you're thinking, wow,

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Speaker 4: we blew past Milwaukee. You know, the postseason has been

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Speaker 4: a breeze for the Dodgers. Well, guess what, now we're

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Speaker 4: playing the Blue Jays and they are a very very

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Speaker 4: good team. And so you know, first of all, it's

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Speaker 4: only Game one, and the theory is going around and

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Speaker 4: I knew i'd hear this. Oh, the Dodgers had a

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Speaker 4: week off. That's why this happened, because they had a

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Speaker 4: you know, they just they weren't playing baseball and for

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Speaker 4: that reason, they were rusty. And you know, this is

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Speaker 4: this is the result if they if they had played

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Speaker 4: continuously like like the Blue Jays did you know, and

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Speaker 4: did not have a long rest, that they would have done.

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Speaker 2: Do you put a lot of stock in that, No,

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Speaker 2: that's just.

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Speaker 4: Sort of the common thing. I knew I was going

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Speaker 4: to hear that. Yeah, and sure enough people said that

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Speaker 4: on social media and other people have said it as well.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, yeah, you know, I just think that,

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Speaker 4: you know, they had a bad game, you know, the

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Speaker 4: plan that the Dodgers have, the strategy that they have

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Speaker 4: is the starters need to go extremely long. They need

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Speaker 4: to pitch into the eighth inning. You know, that's what

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Speaker 4: happened before, and that's how they were able to have success.

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Speaker 4: They bypassed the bullten. You didn't go to the bullpen.

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Speaker 4: That's how you win, right, and then maybe you bring

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Speaker 4: in Sasaki at the end. In this case, you know,

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Speaker 4: five full innings from Blake Snell, he gets into the

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Speaker 4: sixth inning, he gets into trouble, you bring in relievers,

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Speaker 4: and then things just didn't work out.

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Speaker 3: Now, are there any actual Dodger fans in Toronto with

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Speaker 3: you there?

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Speaker 2: Or is it just you? And there's not a lot?

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Speaker 6: I mean, I'll be honest with you.

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Speaker 4: It's expensive to get here.

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Speaker 7: It's far.

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Speaker 4: Tickets were expensive. I I just don't think a lot

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Speaker 4: of people made the trip. And I understand why there's

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Speaker 4: a there's there are a few, and you know, they

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Speaker 4: they were excited coming into this and afterwards they told us, hey,

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Speaker 4: we haven't lost faith. It's only game one. You know,

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Speaker 4: we'll see what happens tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what are you feeling for tomorrow?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 4: I mean, Yamamoto is a great pitcher. I mean, perhaps

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Speaker 4: the strategy will work tomorrow if he has a really

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Speaker 4: good game and the Dodgers can get some hitting. They

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Speaker 4: miss some opportunities at the plate. Could have done better

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Speaker 4: they could tie. I think the goal for the Dodgers

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Speaker 4: from this road trip these first two games with one win.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that the momentum will shift there for sure. Well,

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Speaker 3: I don't want to keep you any longer. Thank you

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Speaker 3: so much for calling. I'm sure it's way past your

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Speaker 3: bedtime with the point, but you are the best as always,

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Speaker 3: keep us posted and if you're still there, when do

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Speaker 2: Sunday?

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Speaker 4: Sunday Okay. KTLA Morning News broadcasting live from Dodger Stadium

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Speaker 4: on Monday.

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Speaker 2: How exciting is that?

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Speaker 4: There we go Game three Monday night?

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Speaker 3: All right, Eric Spilman from KTLA live from Toronto. Following

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Speaker 3: that beat down, brutal game. But hey, there's a reason

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Speaker 3: to be happy. That's because in southern California it's real

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Speaker 3: rad specifically tomorrow in the Port of Los Angeles, down

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Speaker 3: in Pedro or San Pedro.

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Speaker 2: As you may have heard it, Radwood.

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Speaker 3: Is a celebration of automotive excellence from the eighties, nineties,

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Speaker 3: and I guess a little bit later than after that

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Speaker 3: as well. But you're seeing some really cool eighties and

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Speaker 3: nineties cars. Your portion nine eleven's your Ferrari testa Ross.

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Speaker 3: I've been before in the past. I love that era

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Speaker 3: of cars. Joining us now to talk more about it

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Speaker 3: from Radwood, it's Art Servantes, the director of the show,

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Speaker 3: joining us now live on KFI.

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Speaker 2: Good evening, Thanks for calling.

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Speaker 5: Hello, Well, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 7: This is awesome.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I was down there a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 3: I've got an early nineties BMW convertible that I think

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Speaker 3: is a perfect fit for the show.

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Speaker 2: Is it too late for me to bring.

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Speaker 5: It on down, Well, we can make an exception for

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Speaker 5: it if you. Mike, we are officially sold out of corresponse,

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Speaker 5: but we have plenty of room for people. And you know,

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Speaker 5: as you said, this is a celebration of eighties and

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Speaker 5: nineties culture, so it's not just the cars that is

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Speaker 5: at the core of what we celebrate here. But we

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Speaker 5: celebrate lifestyle, so period correct clothing, accessories, music, and anything

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Speaker 5: associated with the era. So when you come to our events,

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Speaker 5: you're going to find all sorts of fun ephemera, including

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Speaker 5: people incorporating Nintendos into the trunks of their cars, or

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Speaker 5: thirty BMW's maybe to Tsosa's Bugattis and everything in between them.

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Speaker 3: It's cool because I think that this is an era

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Speaker 3: We liked these cars because they were the cars that

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Speaker 3: great about it is, like you said, it's a celebration

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Speaker 5: That's right, Yeah, And so one of the things that

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Speaker 5: continue to be the premiere event to celebrate this era,

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Speaker 5: we bring a lot of cars out of the woodwork

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Speaker 5: And I've been in the automotive space for a very

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Speaker 5: up seeing air events. We do have some very heavy

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Speaker 5: hidden cars, for example, iconic, maybe priceless, the Michael Keaton

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Speaker 5: That's at the core of our show what we call

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Speaker 5: our Radwood Royalty showcase inside of a super industrial warehouse,

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Speaker 5: so making for great photos. We have a NSX high Bar,

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Speaker 2: Of who the cars from that from that area.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, totally totally.

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Speaker 3: I remember you have like a bunch of like European

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Speaker 5: And one of them, one of the cars that I

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Speaker 2: What is that?

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Speaker 5: So this is ann in the eighties, basically Chrysler trying

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Speaker 3: I just googled it and I definitely I remember it now. Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and so those are obsolete now right simply God exists.

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Speaker 3: They rolled off the most part the production line with

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Speaker 5: Actually, this is true. Yeah, and you know one of

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Speaker 5: the things that we're seeing now, just as you're describing, right,

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Speaker 5: historically there wasn't a place to celebrate this era and

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Speaker 5: as we see this generational fIF happening right where like, yes,

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Speaker 5: I love hot rods, I love muscle cars, who I

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Speaker 5: And we have people like Redestein Tires who are now

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Speaker 2: Yea weird weird like fourteen and stuff like that, you know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And so you know we're we're all like now,

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Speaker 5: you know, as we're preserving these cars and there's more

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Speaker 5: we cherish them, and you know, and there's a big

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. Last question before we get out of here. If

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Speaker 3: what's in that I think it's probably late nineties, early

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Speaker 3: you can pick up for a couple of grand these days.

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Speaker 5: Oh couple grand, that's stuff, let's say so. But yeah,

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Speaker 5: I think you're going to find for gems out there

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Speaker 7: You've popped up in my Facebook recommendations.

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Speaker 7: Well, Reesemeyer, since we're going with high school last names tonight,

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Speaker 7: I'm taking issue with the necktie you're wearing in that photo.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for Colin, and thanks for writing the book.

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Speaker 3: You know, I know that you've written about television, probably

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Steve, I'll tell you what I'm up against. A

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Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.

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Speaker 3: Talking with Steve kosa F from The Glass Eye Invasion.

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Speaker 3: It's a book he wrote about television sets invading the

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Speaker 6: I think they'd actually have to see inside a home

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Speaker 6: Well, that was pretty much. I mean, my family was

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Speaker 6: twelve men and women and they toured. They drove across

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Speaker 6: the United States and six jeep station wagons and if

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Speaker 6: you can imagine going over bumpy roads man with delicate

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Speaker 6: television equipment at that time, you know, all television cameras

441
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Speaker 6: had tubes. Yeah, And so they're going over bumpy roads

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Speaker 6: and they're driving criss crossing the country, going to twenty

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Speaker 6: two United department stores and in a day they set

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Speaker 6: up a television studio to demonstrate products that the sponsors

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Speaker 6: who are paying for the trip went shown and people

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Speaker 6: in these small towns, you know, large and small cities

447
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Speaker 6: across the country or seeing television for the first time.

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Speaker 6: And it was an interesting, you know trip that with

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Speaker 6: these people going across the country. And there were women

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Speaker 6: who actually worked on this. There was actually a female

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Speaker 6: camera operator, which was pretty unusual but was one of

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Speaker 6: the few industries at the time that were open to women.

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Speaker 6: After the end of World War two.

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Speaker 3: That's wild, so it's still pretty rare to have. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: I mean to show you how the progress really hasn't,

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Speaker 3: hasn't made up to that point.

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Speaker 2: Still still pretty rare.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you don't see it too often. And there are

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Speaker 6: a couple other great stories in here. One is about

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Speaker 6: the television manufacturers nineteen fifty there are some Things a

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Speaker 6: Son or Daughter Won't tell You advertising campaign, and the

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Speaker 6: Television Manufacturers Association was made up of about ten television

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Speaker 6: manufacturers and they had this ad campaign that literally backfired

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Speaker 6: on them across the country. And in the ad they

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Speaker 6: had a boy and a girl who looked like they

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Speaker 6: were basically war orphans. Oh, and the headline says, there

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Speaker 6: are some things a son or daughter won't tell you.

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Speaker 6: And basically the whole gist of this thing was that

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Speaker 6: if you didn't if you were a parent and you

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Speaker 6: didn't buy a television sept for your child, you were

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Speaker 6: less than the people you know reading this the newspapers,

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Speaker 6: you know, there was a lot of blowback, particularly for

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Speaker 6: an educator by the name of Angelo Petrick who lent

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Speaker 6: his name to this campaign, and he had been a

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Speaker 6: well known educator for about thirty years prior to this.

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Speaker 6: He had a syndicated newspaper column, and they he became

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Speaker 6: the butt of their anger and a lot of parents

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Speaker 6: were demanding that their local newspapers dropped his column, and

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Speaker 6: he was forced into a corner and had to explain himself.

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Speaker 5: Ela R.

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Speaker 6: Roosevelt got infalled because she was part of this campaign,

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Speaker 6: and so yeah, so she pulled her support initially till

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Speaker 6: they decided to change the ad campaign, which they finally did,

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Speaker 6: but you know, by then, the damage was already done.

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Speaker 5: And this thing.

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Speaker 6: I tell the story in depth in the book, and

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Speaker 6: it just goes just when you think you can't get

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Speaker 6: any worse, and it's it's quite an amazing story that

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Speaker 6: hasn't been told. In fact, most of the stuff in

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Speaker 6: the book is new information that nobody's seen before.

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Speaker 3: We're speaking with Steven Steve Kosaf, the author of The

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Speaker 3: Glass Eye Invasion television sets invade the mid century home.

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Speaker 3: The book is now available everywhere books are sold, including Amazon.

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Speaker 3: Is there a place that you want people to buy

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Speaker 3: this book? Because I know some people don't like to

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Speaker 3: get them on online retailers they like local.

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Speaker 2: Is it better on a website?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 2: Where should we find the book?

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Speaker 6: Well, you can get it basically everywhere. Amazon and Barnes

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Speaker 6: and Noble have that you can order it from them.

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Speaker 6: You can actually order it from your local book store

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Speaker 6: or a gift shop for that matter. I like Amazon

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Speaker 6: because I think their print version of it came out

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Speaker 6: much better. They just seem to do a little better

506
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Speaker 6: job that colors pop that much more. There you go,

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Speaker 6: So I would go with them even if you don't

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Speaker 6: like Amazon.

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Speaker 3: But so well, thank you, Steve. Appreciate you calling. Like

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Speaker 3: I said, the book is available now. Glass Eye Invasion

511
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Speaker 3: is what it's called. It's all about stories from nineteen

512
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Speaker 3: the mid nineteen forties all the way to the early

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Speaker 3: nineteen fifties, talking about when television invaded the mid century

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Speaker 3: home and how it shaped culture, plus a lot of

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Speaker 3: fun stories that have never been told about it. Steve,

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Speaker 3: thank you so much for being a part of the show.

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Speaker 3: We will talk to you real soon and let us

518
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Speaker 3: know when the next.

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Speaker 2: Book comes out. Okay, I we'll do Steve.

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Speaker 3: There he goes, well that's fun. Did you like watching

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Speaker 3: TV as a kid?

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Speaker 5: Ronner?

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Speaker 2: Sorry?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it really took all the self restrained I had

525
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Speaker 7: not to jump in and start asking him a bunch

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Speaker 7: of questions.

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Speaker 3: You could what do you mean this is a listen?

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Speaker 3: I I have.

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Speaker 7: No ownership over the airwaves, I'm just following your lead,

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Speaker 7: but I mean, it's that period especially is interesting when

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Speaker 7: you hear about things like say, I love Lucy kind

532
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Speaker 7: of dictating how middle class American families thought their houses

533
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Speaker 7: should look. That's such a good point and that exists

534
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 7: continually today to people wanting to make their house look

535
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Speaker 7: like a Nancy Myers movie or whatever the social media

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Speaker 7: influencer of your choice is doing. And I really like

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Speaker 7: old TV from that area, like Route sixty six, because

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Speaker 7: all the regional places still look different and had their

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Speaker 7: own character.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's where every place looks the same.

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Speaker 3: Well, man, we should call Steve backwn getting back on

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Speaker 3: the phone.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, is it is it time? Let's do it?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.

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Speaker 3: Last couple of minutes here, we were so behind the

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Speaker 3: whole show. I got to like ten percent of what

549
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Speaker 3: I wanted to get to. That dang pursuit, that dang Dodgers,

550
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Speaker 3: my stupid story about ties.

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Speaker 7: Well I kind of initiated that way, but I take responsibility.

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Speaker 3: I have a real bad time with add so it's

553
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Speaker 3: a shiny thing, you know, I'll go for it. By

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Speaker 3: the way, AI music is just getting horrifically good, like

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Speaker 3: to the point where, like, I don't even know that

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Speaker 3: it's not AI anymore. Listen to this song for a second. Okay,

557
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 3: so you're like, yeah, cool, whatever. It's just like an

558
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 3: eighties pop thing, sounds a little synthesized, share whatever, right,

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Speaker 3: we get it.

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Speaker 2: Now, Listen to this make Them Always Fat, pass on

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Speaker 2: a home bound.

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Speaker 3: It's from Reimagined AI. It's a YouTube channel that reimagines

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Speaker 3: pop songs in different eras. This is not a revolutionary idea,

564
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Speaker 3: but the thing is that it is unfortunately awesome. I

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Speaker 3: am a musical purist. I believe in humans making music.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what to do about this because this

567
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Speaker 3: is the first time that I've heard for real AI

568
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 3: generated music that I wouldn't be able to tell you

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Speaker 3: was fake. And I also feel like it has merit

570
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Speaker 3: on its own, which is a really weird thing to feel,

571
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Speaker 3: a weird thing to say. A lot of the AI

572
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 3: stuff is garbage. You watch like a lot of those

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Speaker 3: Suno videos of people making music with AI and it sucks.

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Speaker 3: But this is a weird I don't know what this

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Speaker 3: means for the future. This Sunday on the Andy Reesemeyer

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Speaker 3: Show between two and four pm on KFI. I will

577
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Speaker 3: be interviewing mister Rob Cavallo. He'll be joining us in studio,

578
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 3: super producer. He is the man behind one hundred and

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Speaker 3: thirty million sales of records worldwide, three time Grammy winner.

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Speaker 3: You know, has worked with Green Day, my Chemical Romance,

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Speaker 3: Eric Clapton, Lincoln Park, and my favorite.

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Speaker 2: The Goo Goo Dolls. Produced all of those giant Googoo

583
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Speaker 2: Dolls records. Iris.

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Speaker 3: The reason it sounds like that, it's because Cavallo. So

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Speaker 3: he'll be with us on Sunday. I'm going to ask

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Speaker 3: him about the AI music revolution.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: I don't like it.

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Speaker 3: I'm not into It freaks me out a little bit.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of a weird time to contemplate what it

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Speaker 3: means to make things.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 7: My recommendation as that you shun it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I do. I think I've been pretty

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Speaker 3: open about hating chat, GPT and AI and all this stuff.

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Speaker 3: I think it's terrible.

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Speaker 7: At the very least, it should all be labeled, so

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Speaker 7: at least we know we're getting totally totally.

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Speaker 3: This is a weird thing, though, because it's the first

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Speaker 3: time I've heard someone was like, Oh, that's that's kind

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Speaker 3: of a it's kind of a banger.

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Speaker 7: Did it make you feel like you had a mullet again?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't that long ago that I had one, though,

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Speaker 3: you know over covid everybody was doing it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. I had some really ill advised hair stuff going

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Speaker 7: on too before you started, and I'm not proud of it.

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Speaker 3: I can kind of feel like that it would be

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Speaker 3: a cool for you, though, I can see it working

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00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 3: in sort of a craft work kind of way.

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Speaker 7: No options are limited, you got to stick with what works.

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Speaker 2: I hear you.

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Speaker 3: COVID really made a lot of us get slovenly. Oh

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Speaker 3: my god, I had a really disgusting beard. I can't

614
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Speaker 3: grow a beard. I mean like, not only I'm not

615
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Speaker 3: really supposed to have a beard on TV, but I

616
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Speaker 3: also like physically can't grow a beard very well.

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Speaker 7: I look it like a little health food store hippie guy.

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Speaker 7: But it's worse than that. It's just like scraggly. It's

619
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Speaker 7: like like watching a little uh one of those little

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Speaker 7: uh you know a Western movie, the thing bouncing around

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Speaker 7: the down down the road, you know, the tumbleweed. It's

622
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Speaker 7: like tumbleweed growing on my face. Well, I guess I'm

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Speaker 7: going to need to see that now. In addition to

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Speaker 7: the neck type picture, it's.

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Speaker 2: Kf I AM six forty. We're live everywhere on the

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