1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Fifty five CARSD Talk station a time next hell enjoy 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: sometimes some levity, but also interesting conversation with iHeartMedia aviation 3 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,319 Speaker 1: expert Jay Rattlift Jay, Welcome back to the fifty five 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: Carce Morning Show. My friend is always great having you 5 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: on the show. 6 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 2: That's good to be here, brother. 7 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: I got a kick out of it. This is no curveball. 8 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: You got a great list of topics to talk about. 9 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: But headline from the Wall Street Journal, Dan Siel reporting, 10 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: dateline the fourteenth, the futile campaign to get people to 11 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: dress better on planes. Sub Captain. US government thinks onboard 12 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: behavior will improve if passengers ditch the pajamas. Good luck 13 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 1: with that. 14 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 2: Well, you know, there is some there are studies that 15 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 2: suggest for people that work at home, if they get 16 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 2: up and go through the same regiment of getting themselves ready, 17 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 2: getting shade cleaned up, ready to go, put on their 18 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 2: professional tire, then go to their office that even though 19 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 2: they're working at home, they've got that set, they're in 20 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 2: that business mode. When you're working in your pajamas or shorts, 21 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 2: whatever might happen to be. You know, some people think 22 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 2: that that's kind of a relaxed setting, that kind of 23 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 2: leads to some relaxed results. You know, you really don't know. 24 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 2: But look, there's no way that we're ever going to 25 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 2: legislate or change the behavior of people. And you know 26 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 2: that so well, Brian, You've talked about it for only 27 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 2: your entire life about you can have any rule law 28 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 2: on the book. It's not going to dictate how people 29 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 2: act and respond. And sadly that's the case. If if 30 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 2: we could come up with a nice incentive, you know, 31 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,479 Speaker 2: like the best address gets a free ticket here there, 32 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, maybe you could entice people to 33 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 2: consider it, but unless you give them something in returns, 34 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 2: we're just not going to do it. 35 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard people lax cltiic. I remember the days 36 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: when men wore suits and ties wherever they went. You 37 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: look at a ball game, people wore suits and size 38 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: well you know what, as like the only set of 39 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: clothes they owned. Things were really tight back then. You 40 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: didn't have five suits to choose from one every day. 41 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: You were the same day of thing every day. So 42 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: moving if you stay far enough away from them visually, yeah, 43 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: look great, But the closer you got, the less of 44 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: a good idea. That was anyway, Jay, in. 45 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 2: The early days, Brian, American Airlines I'm talking about like 46 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 2: the thirties would pick you up in a limousine, take 47 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 2: you to the airport just because you had a reservation 48 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 2: one of their flights. Wouldn't that be cool? 49 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 1: You were among the holy POLOI back then if you 50 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: could afford an airline ticket. 51 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. Anyhow, Delta with what a chance of something going wrong? 52 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh god, yeah that's right. I forgot. Air safety 53 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: was not up the snuff back then. Computer nowhere near 54 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 1: no ils than those places, Brian. 55 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 2: The flight attests back then had to be nurses. 56 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: Did they really? 57 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 2: Yep? 58 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: I see that makes perfect sense. 59 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 2: And when you see how those planes were put together, 60 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 2: it makes an incredible sense. 61 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: Three eyes, assuming the flight attendants survived. All right, I 62 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: have to sign. 63 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 2: A medical farm before I get on. Yeah, it's a 64 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: medical or Leaves just engaged. 65 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: That flavor of liability Delta. Delta Airlines CEO not happy 66 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: with Donald Trump's credit card interest rate cap does sound 67 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: like a rather Democrat kind of idea, capping what corporations 68 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: are doing. 69 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like it either, But you know, Delta 70 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: just reported record profits more than a billion dollars for 71 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 2: a single quarter. And look, you and I both know 72 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 2: that wasn't made by us lying back and forth at 73 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 2: Grandma's house. Much of that revenue is driven by those 74 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 2: credit card agreements that they have that for Delta's tied 75 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 2: into their Skymiles frickin flyer program. And that's when the 76 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 2: CEO of Delta at Bastian, we're reacting to President Trump's 77 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,839 Speaker 2: mentioning of capping interest rates and credit cards, saying oh, no, no, no, 78 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 2: that would be bad for the economy, is what bed 79 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 2: Bastian said. Brian. When you consider that not a single 80 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 2: major airline would have been profitable in the year twenty 81 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 2: twenty four without the income from those credit card partnerships, 82 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 2: you recognize just how tied into the airlines profits those 83 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 2: credit cards agreements are. And it's just amazing in fact 84 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 2: that the Delta employees are so happy because you and 85 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 2: I may talk about this before, but on Valentine's Day 86 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 2: is the day every year that Delta, when they've got 87 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 2: a profit, they share that with their employees through a 88 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 2: profit sharing program. And I believe they're going to be 89 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 2: getting four four and a half five weeks of pay 90 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 2: as a bonus thank you on Valentine Iday. So that's 91 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 2: because of the profits that were driven again back to 92 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 2: these credit card arrangements. 93 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 1: Wow, that's a pretty nice thank you, very nice thank you, Although. 94 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 2: Nowhere billions of dollars in profit sharing. 95 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,679 Speaker 1: Show nowhere near the bonus levels that Joe Strecker gets 96 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: every year. Because we'll bring back, we're going to be 97 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: talking a little bit about Boeing gets some more bad news. 98 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: They were aware of a possible defect that led to 99 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: a crash. That sounds familiar. Plus, get the hell out 100 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: of the cargo apartment compartment before the plane takes off. 101 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 1: Got that in a hoole up more with Jay righttlift, 102 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: don't go away and be right back fifty five KARC. 103 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,799 Speaker 2: Steve Perrins god KRC the talk station. 104 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: I've never been in a cockpit before. Jay Ratliffe has, 105 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,239 Speaker 1: he's I heard. Media aviation expert joins this program every 106 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: Thursday beginning at eight thirty for a few segments on 107 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: of course, matters related to air and air travel and 108 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: of course, potential legal liability. Boeing is always having problems. 109 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: You bring that up all the time, and I guess 110 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: they're well, are they implicated in this Louisville plane crash. 111 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: I know, we have an update from the NTSB on 112 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: this one, Jay Ratliffe, what's the story. 113 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, And within that update from the National Transportation Safety Board, Brian, 114 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 2: they found a service letter that Boeing sent to airlines 115 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 2: on February seventh, twenty eleven. Now, all those years ago, 116 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 2: all those years ago, Boeing told airlines that the company 117 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 2: was aware a four previous bearing race that's a part, 118 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 2: but bearing race failures on three different airplanes. Now, Boeing 119 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 2: had seen these fractures of the part and actually with 120 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 2: this part, splitting it two and moving out of place. 121 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 2: Now keep in mind that this specific piece helps to 122 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 2: hold the engines in place on the wing. Boeing what. Yeah. 123 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 2: Boeing went on to say to the airlines that their 124 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 2: review of that bearing failure, in their words, would not 125 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 2: quote would not result in a safety flight flight condition 126 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 2: in the quote. So obviously, the deaths of fifteen people 127 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 2: in Louisville in November certainly suggests otherwise. But look, let's 128 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 2: keep in mind that the Federal Aviation Administration was completely 129 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 2: aware of all this, and they could have called easily 130 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 2: for airlines to replace or increase the inspection rate of 131 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 2: those questions or those parts in question. So but they 132 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 2: elected not to do so based in part on Boeing's position, 133 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 2: and it could be also based on the fact that 134 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 2: airlines were pushing back saying, look, it would take a 135 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 2: lot of time and money to pull these airplanes out 136 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 2: of service, dig into this part to find out and 137 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 2: test it to see if these parts are still good. 138 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 2: But you know, if it's true that safety is our 139 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 2: number one priority, and every airline says that, and I 140 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 2: laugh every time they do because it's not the truth, 141 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 2: then there would have been no question. The same way, 142 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 2: when the Boeing Max crashes were happening, the easiest thing 143 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 2: to do for Southwest Delta or not Delta United American 144 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 2: Southwest was to pull the few and all they had 145 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 2: was a few of those Boeing Max airplanes out of 146 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 2: service until they found out what was going on. It 147 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 2: represented like less than five percent of their fleet, and 148 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 2: the airlines opted not to do it, even when the 149 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: FA at the time wasn't going to ground that airplane. 150 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 2: But here again we've got a situation of Boeing be 151 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 2: more aware of something, communicating that to the airlines and 152 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 2: trying to downplay it and sadly, we had a loss 153 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 2: of life, horrific loss of life in Louisville. 154 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: Obviously, it's been suggested, I think of Hollywood movies that 155 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: you know, manufacturers will do a cost benefit analysis. Well, 156 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: of the million widgets we've got in the world, we 157 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,559 Speaker 1: found that this defect may result in five people dying 158 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: it to replace it or fix the widge. It's going 159 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: to cost us X millions of dollars. If we just 160 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: ignore it and pay off the individual claim, we're going 161 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: to be a lot better off financially. Do you think 162 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: that type of analysis was actually done when they decided 163 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: not to go down the road of inspecting these particular parts. Man, 164 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: we may get one fall out of the sky, but 165 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: in the final analysis, it'll cost us a hell of 166 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: a lot more to stay up on top of this 167 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: and ahead of time. 168 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 2: I totally believe that, and I hate to say that, 169 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 2: but when you look at the history of recommendations made 170 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 2: by the National Transfertation Safety Board following every accident or 171 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 2: near accident, they'll give the Federal Aviation Administration bright a 172 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 2: list ten fifteen to twenty different items that they said, hey, 173 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 2: we identified these as either potential contributing causes or direct 174 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 2: contributing causes to this accident which resulted in a loss 175 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 2: of life, and here's our recommendations, topix it and if 176 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 2: the airlines then many times we'll push back on some 177 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 2: of those recommendations saying no, that would cost too much money, 178 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah blah. And only a few, if any, 179 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 2: of those recommendations are ever care right forward. And it's 180 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 2: maddening when you think about it, because the NTSB's entire 181 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 2: purpose is to investigate the accident or air accident, come 182 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 2: up with the cause or contributing causes. Many times there's 183 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 2: far more than just one direct cause. But then they 184 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 2: list those recommendations on how we can make aviation safer. 185 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 2: And the reason that we've enjoyed the safest air era 186 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: of commercial jet travel leading up to this year or 187 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 2: last year with the January plane crash in DC and 188 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 2: then the Alaskan plane crash a month later, was because 189 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: of the fact that we've made such great strides and safety, 190 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 2: both in the type of equipment that's use on board 191 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: an airplane to make sure it's not it's fire retardant, 192 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 2: making sure certain seats and certain things are manufactured in 193 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 2: such a way that could better withstand a crash and 194 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 2: protect the people that are inside an airplane in the 195 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: event something you know, horrific happens. And it's all because 196 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 2: of those recommendations. I remember the Common Air crash, or 197 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 2: the Cincinnati crash we had with Air Canada back in 198 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 2: the early eighties that caught on fire and had land 199 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 2: at Cincinnati. The National Transportation Safety Board, I think, came 200 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 2: out with twenty some recommendations, and one of them was 201 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 2: to have those lights along the floor that would lead 202 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 2: you to an exit in the event that the cabin 203 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 2: was filled with smoke, you got disoriented, didn't know which 204 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 2: way to go. That was one of the many recommendations 205 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 2: made by the NTSB as a direct result of that 206 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 2: Air Canada crash that we had here in Cincinnati. So 207 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 2: the entire thing is set up to try to make 208 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 2: things safer, and that's one of the things that just 209 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 2: bothers me to no end when there's pushback on some 210 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 2: of these obvious safety related issues being put in and 211 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 2: to your point exactly, and that's the reason I love 212 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 2: talking to you, because you add that liability side to 213 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 2: the discussion and they say the exact same thing. That's 214 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 2: like airlines being told, Look, instead of having a black 215 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 2: box on an airplane, we could put up a component 216 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 2: on there that would be automatically transmitting all the black 217 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 2: box data really from the airplane to a central spot, 218 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 2: so that if an airplane crashed at see, we didn't 219 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 2: have to go looking for the black boxes. We knew 220 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 2: exactly what happened. The problem is the cost per aircraft 221 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 2: is more than one hundred thousand dollars, and when you 222 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 2: recognize most crashes happen on takeoff and landing over land 223 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 2: near an airport, the thought is, why would we spend 224 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 2: one hundred grand per airplane, tens of millions of dollars 225 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 2: for something that would only be used in a small 226 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 2: percentage of the of the accident. So it's an unfortunate discussion. 227 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 2: But once again you're spot on. 228 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Jay, We're going to come up. Don't 229 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: get locked in the cargo compartment. I'm a little worried 230 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: about this other topic. TSA has increased the number of 231 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:46,719 Speaker 1: airports with biometric pre check scanning that more with Jay 232 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:48,839 Speaker 1: Rylov one more here fifty five K see the talk 233 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 1: stations stick around fifty five The talk station. 234 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 2: Is life insurance part of your new year's resolution. 235 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: Listen, if you're young and healthy, it's simple and any 236 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: old agent can get it done. But if you're fifty 237 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 1: to sixty years old with it to say, it is 238 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: eight forty nine, it's fifty five KRC detok station, it's 239 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: iHeartMedia aviation expert Jay Rat Jay got a few more 240 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: topics here we can try to cram in there. I immediately, 241 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: of course, thought of you. Any aviation topic I run 242 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: across in my day to day preparation for the show, 243 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: it's obviously you. I think about this one I thought 244 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: was a kind of comical, although it would freak me 245 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: out if I was the employee that got locked in 246 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: the cargo compartment on a plane that was ready to 247 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 1: take off. 248 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it happens. It's happened several times. But this 249 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 2: was near Canada flight leaving Vancouver. They pushed back from 250 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 2: the gate, they're taxing for takeoff, when all of a sudden, 251 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 2: passengers start hearing this loud thump on the floor from underneath, 252 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 2: and they notify the flight attendants, and flight attentions obviously conclude, look, 253 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 2: we've got somebody in the cargo hold. Underneath this and 254 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 2: we're taxing for takeoff. Now, worst case scenario, had the 255 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 2: plane taken off that the forward of the forward cargo 256 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 2: compartment is pressurized, the person would not have been in 257 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 2: any immediate danger unless there was turbulence and bags are 258 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 2: flying and something happens like that. We've had people that 259 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 2: that's happened and they get to the next city and 260 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 2: you know, out they pop. But in this case, you're 261 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 2: still on the ground. So the crew decided to stop. 262 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 2: They turned back to the gate, and it's a security 263 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 2: issue as well, because you don't know if if it's 264 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 2: a stoleway, and how they got on the plane, and 265 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 2: so you've got security involved, and it's a process. So 266 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 2: they get back and they pop it, and sure enough 267 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 2: they find out that the person in there was an employee. 268 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 2: And the delay was such that the crew actually timed 269 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 2: out so they couldn't continue the flight. After that delay, 270 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 2: they had of another crew come in and take care 271 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 2: of them. So it really created a problem. The question 272 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 2: I keep getting is, Jay, how in the world would 273 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 2: that happen. Well, when you're on the ground working the ramp, 274 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 2: it's a very loud environment. People are wearing the ear 275 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 2: suppression headphones and things over there, so you don't hear 276 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 2: a lot, and the cargo compartment many times twenty thirty 277 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 2: feet deep, and you've got bags piled up all over 278 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 2: the place, and occasionally a passenger side not to fly, 279 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 2: and you grab somebody, say find this bag, because the 280 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 2: bag can't fly without the person. So in they go, 281 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 2: and it may be totally the other ramp agents may 282 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 2: be totally unaware of it that you've got somebody in there, 283 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 2: so before they close it, they might kind of give 284 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 2: it a cursory glance. Okay, nobody's in there, turn the 285 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 2: light out, drop the door, and off they go. And 286 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 2: of course, if you're buried in the bags trying to 287 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 2: find something, by the time you get back to the door, 288 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 2: nobody's going to hear you. And then off it goes. 289 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 2: There's no direct way for the agents to communicate with 290 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 2: the cockpit that hey, I'm still in here. So yeah, 291 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 2: it was a it was a scary situation for the individual. 292 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 2: We've had some agents get up there and they're waiting 293 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 2: for additional bags to arrive, they fall asleep and they 294 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 2: open another city. Oh yeah, yeah, you can google it. 295 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 2: There's been eight or ten instances over the last ten years. 296 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 2: I can think of where we've talked about it where 297 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 2: agents have gotten up there and gotten in there and 298 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 2: the door's been shut quickly and that plane goes it 299 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 2: takes off. 300 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: Unlike the idiots who get into the landing gear area 301 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: where they're exposed with no pressurization in sub zero temperatures. 302 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: That's not the case in. 303 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 2: The United Space limited. 304 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: Bagage compartment though, is it. I mean no, no, no, it's pressure. 305 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 2: Keep in mind behind the wing on some of the aircraft, 306 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 2: that particular cargo compartment many times is not pressurized and 307 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 2: you could be dealing with UH temperatures that could approach 308 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 2: hypothermia type level. So that's always a concern in the rear. 309 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 2: But this was up in the forward compartment where you 310 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 2: put the animals and in everything that are going to 311 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 2: be traveling as cargo, UH and baggage. So yeah, there 312 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 2: was Again wasn't any direct situation there, but as far 313 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 2: as you know, somebody getting hurt, but yeah, imagine being 314 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 2: on there and you hear this thumping coming from underneath 315 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 2: your feet. You'd have no idea what was going on. 316 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: All right, at the risk of not being able to 317 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: get to a legion buying Sun Country you for one 318 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: point five billion. What's this? TSA increasing biometric PreCheck scanning. 319 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 2: It's a program that allows travelers in the pre check 320 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 2: line to use biometric scans of our faces during the 321 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 2: airport security check in. It would allow us to keep 322 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 2: our driver's license or passports in our pocket. You can 323 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 2: sign up for once you're a member of pre check, 324 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 2: you can have this scan where you can have your 325 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 2: facial scan done so that you can basically zip through 326 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 2: the security checkpoints on a prim at all. The TSA 327 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 2: has this at twenty airports already. They're increasing this to 328 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 2: forty five including Cincinnati this spring. And again it's optional, 329 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 2: you don't have to do it, but it's a step 330 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 2: in that same progression that you and I've talked about 331 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 2: before where we've got a lot of individuals or achieving 332 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 2: a lot of airlines that are looking at using facial 333 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 2: recognition at the ticket counter where you can pop up, 334 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 2: have your face scan three seconds, boom at you tag 335 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 2: the bags, off you go. It speeds up the process. 336 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 2: You're going to use it. The TSA more and more 337 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 2: airlines that they are also going to use this as 338 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 2: well as far as proving who we are before we 339 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 2: board an airplane. It's also going to allow them to 340 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 2: reduce the head count at a lot of these stations 341 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 2: as well, which is the ultimate drive here, is to 342 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 2: use artificial intelligence to reduce the operating expenses. They're going 343 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 2: to sell it to us as increase safety, more customer service, 344 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,479 Speaker 2: blah blah blah. None of that's the case, while some 345 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 2: of it is, but the biggest thing is to help 346 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 2: the airlines reduce their costs by relying more on that. 347 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 2: And people that don't want to be involved in this 348 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 2: brant they don't have to. You can opt out of it. 349 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 2: It's not a big issue. But for those that do, 350 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 2: it's going to be a way to kind of speed 351 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 2: you through the securining process. And I certainly think that's 352 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 2: a good idea. Look, they've already got my face somewhere 353 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 2: right Well, you walk into a casino, they've got your face. 354 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: I was just going to say, you've got acknowledge that 355 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: whether or not you like this idea, it's really happening 356 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: around you all the time. 357 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 2: You go to a sporting event, you go to an airport, 358 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 2: you go again to a casine. It's there they use 359 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 2: this constantly as a threat assessment when they've got an 360 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 2: event going on. So the idea that you know we're 361 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 2: not going to be a part of it, well we 362 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 2: kind of already are if we live anywhere near these places. 363 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 2: It's like people running into a casino or an airport saying, look, 364 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 2: i'll get away from you know where nobody can see me. Well, 365 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 2: you you're walking into a b' like going into a bank. 366 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 2: You know nobody's gonna see me here. 367 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, all right, Well let's go directly since we're 368 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 1: out of time. Hub delays. How's it looking out there 369 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: for air travel? 370 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 2: Jay, ratlift Minneapolis is going to be one at Boston 371 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 2: as well, let us know, but it's leaving most of 372 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 2: the hubs alone. So I think it's going to be 373 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 2: a day of minimal delays. So probably some de icing 374 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 2: quick delays as you depart today, but all in all, 375 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 2: should be a pretty good day to fly. 376 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: Jay Ratliffe, always a distinct pleasure to have you on 377 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: the fifty five Cascene Morning show. Love the topics, love 378 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 1: the conversation, and I'm looking forward to Thursday next week already, 379 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: So we'll do it again next Thursday, beginning at eight 380 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 1: thirty podcast This conversation fifty five care Sea dot Com 381 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: as always best to health and love to you and 382 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: your better half, Jay. 383 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 2: Rattlift appreciate that, my friend. 384 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: Thank you, Thanks brother eight fifty sixty five Cares to 385 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: Detox Station Congressman Warren Davidson